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How To Change Your Automatic Transmission Fluid for ~$100. In your ZF Equipped E90 BMW.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.พ. 2017
- In this video I show you how to change out the transmission fluid on my 2008 BMW 335i. This tutorial is suitable for any ZF 6HP equipped E90 BMW.
I'd recommend an replacement interval of 30K miles.
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One of the more informed and intelligent How-to's. One of the only videos explaining how you need to fill, go through the gears, then go back to fill up a second time.
This was an excellent video. Just changed mine and the video was invaluable. Two things to remember. 1. MAKE SURE YOU CAN GET THE FILL PLUG LOOSE FIRST!!!. Drive a wedge block of wood like a small door stop between the allen wrench and transmission housing in order to keep the allen wrench from trying to back out and possibly stripping the plug. Mine was in there so tight it twisted the allen wrench itself. I had to keep tapping with a 2 pound hammer, used another allen with a small piece of conduit for leverage and it finally "popped" loose. Man it was tight. 2. Watch the last step where the author adds fluid under the car with the motor running in PARK. That procedure added an extra quart to my transmission and made it super smooth in shifting. Mine took nearly 6 quarts. They don't give you much room for wastage in the 6 quart bundles.
Just a tip: You should loosen the fill bolt first before draining. It's not unknown for that bolt to be near on impossible to shift, so doing it first ensures you're not stuck with a drained transmission and no means to fill it and take it to a workshop or to pick up a decent allen wrench.
Cassette Walkman well shit. Shoulda read the comments first 🙃
Easy tip and fix - push it off a cliff.
Another tip is don't use flimsy right angle allen keys. Get an allen socket set to insert into your half inch drive. It will be a lot stronger and will give you more leverage to break the drain plug free.
I took a funnel with a long hose and ran it down to the fill hole, from the engine compartment. It made it much easier to fill the transmission, allthough you will need to have someone pour the fluid in for you when you get close to the point of the fluid running out, so you can monitor it and quickly replace the plug when it's ready.
Dude I started following you when I bought my first E90 but recently I sold it and upgraded to a 2015 435i grand coupe. So I need you to buy an F30 body also 😂. Thanks. I know the N55 doesn’t have the forged internals but they are less needy of attention than the N54. And you can add horse with a simple tune.
Just did a oil change in my e60 535d with the zf6hp28 and the amount of fluid that went in was 5.5 liters before it started dripping
Rookie mistake always loosen fill hole before removing anything lol Incase u can’t get it out
A few dollars more put zf parts from Euro car parts in uk around 180 ish £ get complete kit and fit bridge seal as well
yes never buy those parts off ebay for this job
Hello,i have a problem with my gearbox on e91 320d , when putting in reverse the whole car shaking or even shutting down.It happens once a month,what should be a problem?
Why not use the genuine fluid? Can't seem to find anywhere that says red line D4 is compatible with the ZF 6HP
Is that a e30 in the back on 1:18?
Lol, your tightening sequence was funny 😄 you did the same ones a few times over and over. Yes.. I know re torque again after tightening around as some will loosen. Lol but you’re sequence was off.
Also I feel you tightened that fill plug WAY TI TIGHT but again you are way more knlowedgable than me. Lol
THAT E30
Ya my fill plug was pretty tight, and of course the only allen key im missing is the 8mm, but the 5/16 worked, almost stripped it at first.
The kit I purchased from ECS Tuning for $126 with the ZF cover came with 7 quarts.
Great vid. I just did my trans fluid change. My trans took about 5.5 quarts. Trans was running great before. Did it for preventative reasons too.
Is your car running ok today?
@@kitn.6130 the transmission has blown up and he got a civic because hondas are best VTAC.
Hi, your site has been helpful to me and Im so glad i found it. I watch most of your videos and I notice the exit signs on some of the videos you posted and it it seems you’re not too far from where I live here in Katy. Its been my wish to upgrade to 335’s (i own 2 e90’s 325i and 330i, and an e46) but im afraid to get one due to their know issues which im afraid will cost me an arm and a leg fixing and maintaining it. But your site gives me hope. I like to fix things myself to my ability but sometimes it gets too complicated.
Thanks for all your videos ! You have helped me save thousands 🙌🏼👌🏼🙏🏼
Awesome video. Great idea using the jack as an added safety measure and cardboard to minimize a mess.
you should have left that extra fluid to sip out until it is just under the filler hole. Apparently, this is what BMW technicians recommened. Other than that, great video
this guy is - by far - the best e90-DIYer here in TH-cam.
Bmw says it’s lifetime oil…. And ZF is the manufacturer of the transmission no BMW technician ever touch that’s transmission for sure 😂
Fill till fluid starts running out then put plug in .
@@nsflarna definitely not lifetime maybe 80000 miles ,but that's pushing it .
@@glenbutler5561 I'm starting to feel like the average lifetime for a 335I is around 80k...
I have a 2011 328xi with only 53.000 milies and it shifts like shit especially in the morning when its cold even warming it for over 10 min im changing the fluid tomorrow my self and see if it will fix the issue
Another great video! Thanks for posting this my friend! Could you make a video in the future showing how to do a coolant flush?
i can assist with that. drop me you whatsapp contact
I see you didnt use torque wrench on pan screws. Have you had any problems later on?
Boss,
So how many total quarts trans fluid did you use?
After you do the final fill, you could unplug the transmission cooler line, put a bottle or some sort of catch with it. Start the car and drain out about 3 qts. Then attach the cooler line and refill with 3 qts. Keep doing this until the fluid coming out of the trans cooler line is bright red. You would need the special 4 prong key (tool) to take the cooler line off its fitting.
Matthew, what would be the benefit of doing this?
To get rid of old oil trapped in the torque converter, about 5 litres odd
Gotcha
Thank you so much for the Video .. good job... Please could you confirm if we have to do the Last Fill while the car is running ?
None
After the initial fill you have to get the transmission between 30c to 50c then top off the fluid while the car is running.
Great tutorial bro!!! So how often you do this? Like every 65 thousand miles? Thank you
I enjoyed your video I like teach me a lot about transmission and transmission oil
My fill bolt was unfortunately already stripped by the previous owner so my only option at the time was to fill it through the transmission cooler line, took forever to fill but it got the job done and my trans feels 100% better now
Hey man I'm in the same boat. Any instructions or tips you could share for doing it through the cooler line?
@@AaronDuncan lemme say that was like the worst hour and a half of my life, I honestly don’t have any tips on it cause there isn’t any really except be patient. When I was filing I could only go so fast cause the fluid level in the line would rise up so quickly before slowly falling back down and I did spill a lot in the beginning
@@AaronDuncan I’m not sure if there was a faster cooler line to go through but the one I did took forever. But i was so happy with the end result that I forgot how long the process too. My trans only slipped one time after that and then never again. I slipped when I was out testing it right after but that was it
@@antonioprovidence52 which line is the return line to the trans? Did you put in 3 or 4 liters, then followed the steps in this video with the shifting then finish the fill? Or did you just put all 6-7 liters in? Thanks!
@@AaronDuncan I can’t recall which line is which but I did the 3 quarts method still
I love those mags... Just something about them... Thnx for the video
ugly
hi chief,
when you warmed your car, about how many minutes (roughly) did you have to wait till you had the 30-50 degrees?
thx
Hello , I’m wondering the same thing . Did you find out the answer ?
Hi what's the torq settings for megatronic valve body as want to change bridge seal and tubes
8nm I heard
Do you need to reset adaptions after fluid and filter change? Is it a MUsT?
Some people say.. pressing the throttle all the way down and holding flr 30 seconds in accessory mode engine off than restarting the vehicle “resets” transmission? Is this true..?
Is reset same as resetting adaptions? If not what is the difference..?
Thank you
That procedure is for resetting throttle plate adaptations. If you think the drive-by-wire isn't responding the way you want, you can try that, and just drive how you want. It's very harmless.
The transmission reset is easy enough, but the re-learn is very involved, taking 45 minutes and lots of repeating steps that might be unsafe on a road with any traffic. It's very important to do the re-learn if you do the reset. You definitely have to do the reset for any hard-parts change. Some say you should for fluid too. I'm on the fence. I changed my fluid and didn't feel comfortable doing the re-learn, and I'm happy with my 335i with 170k miles on the trans and 40k on the fluid. I'm about to do it again just because I think it wasn't done before 130 when I fixed a leaking pan, but looked ok.
Any issue after the change. I was reading people having issues with using "non-ZF" fluid. I would like to use Motul because I just love their fluids.
Would it be okay to do the fluid only, to see if it makes things better. And if it does do the pan etc a few weeks or months later?
you should remove the fill plug first
Where did you place your jack stands? Can you make a video showing where yo put them?
Matt Merca Okay I can do that.
th-cam.com/video/6ubfvp31MLg/w-d-xo.html
Thx for the vid. But change your smoke detector battery too %)
where do you find smoke detector battery
@@thaboa.matlala3213 bro ahaha
my car now shifts hard after change oil.. any advice?
Recheck your level
Amazing video. Thank you so much Sir. All the blessings to you.
How do I check the temperature without the laptop
MHD
Do you have to reset the trans or something or just with fluid change you're good?
How long did it take approx for the transmission to warm up?
3 mile drive should be good
Is it required to check the transmission operating temperature with the software? I was just going to start the car after the first fill, and wait like 8 mins then fill the rest of the fluid. Is this ok?
It's highly recommended to check the temperature during the fill procedure. You only need to purchase a sub-100$ INPA-compatible cable to avoid having to spend thousands in future repairs if you happen to underfill the fluid in your transmission. FYI, it will take longer than 8 minutes to reach the required temperature.
I did this yesterday, I had 6 liters but somehow it only took a lil over 3. I drove it around seems fine and when back to refill it but it's still flowing steady. Car leveled on jack stands.
Did you figure it out? Since you didn’t do a full flush I would kinda expect it only to use half
Very well made video!!! A doubt: what about the old ATF inside the torque converter, which will remain and mix with the new fluid? Any problem in relation to that?
The only way would be to flush the fluid again after a certain amount of miles, I guess the first flush would drain 70% of the oil?
Very good job a lot work but you did it thanks for your time 👍🏻
Hi... I notice that FCP Euro sell a kit with some seals... that seals must be replaced one every fluid change???
Is this the same procedures for a e60?
Well for a 05 545i?
Where did you get the software??
For the other transmission (not the ZF), is the same fluid to be used?
depends if auto or manual
I am to the point that I am ready to start the car, but I am getting 'transmission malfunction' error, and the car won't start. Any ideas?
Did you figure it out?
@@ryanneidinger177 yeah, the mechatronic sleeve wasn't fully seated, you really have to push it on there
How often does this maintenance need to be done?
Great video bud. Thank you!
Im considering doing this job on my 335i with 145k miles transmission hasnt been serviced I bought the pan and zf fluid. Its been nearly 2 years since you did this job, how has the transmission held up? has there been any issue since? how are the shifts any leaks any issues etc. Thank you.
i measured the amount i drained 5 qts and put that same amt back in, wouldnt all go when hot so i let it cool off overnite and thenput it all in.
Quick question. During your fuel injector replacement is it the same with N55 engine as far as coding ?
It's not exactly the same but it's a similar process. Check this thread:
www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43827
Thanks and well done!
Do you leave the vehicle ON for the last fill? Or is it ok to turn it off?
Needs to be running and within temp specs
Everything went well,
Thanks
@@robertkenney6002how did you measure the temp and with what? Was the car on jackstands?
Yes car was study on all 4 jack stands, make sure it’s secure! I checked temp with a scan tool, also cause I’m a freak I used a temp gun as well, they were within 15 degrees but that’s me measuring in different spots and the plastics obviously be cooler than actual temp fluid.
@@robertkenney6002 I am very glad I found your comment was posted a month ago. I dont have anything to measure the heat so I was just praying you would know how long does it take for it to warm up to ideal temperature?
Were are your jacks? They aren’t on jack pads? How do you jack up your car and put on 4 jacks?
Never mind; answered this question from watching his previous video on how to put a car on jack stands. He uses the control arms/ closest to bushing.
Is D4 red line ATF running good for you bmw ?
I did a fluid change and now my first gear is all messed up. I get this bubbly sound and my armrest vibrates between 3-4k rpm. any ideas? i tried adding more fluid but it was already full. i replaced sleeves and fluid again and same thing.
how many ks did the car have when you did the change? i had a car where i did a change of tranny fluid quite late and it started slipping. Had to add one of those gear fix fluids that makes it stickier for plates to engage
Did u end up finding out what it was?
@@jenniferpuente8746 it was my drive shaft hanger busted. Just a coincidence it happened after I change trans fluid.
you don't do a reset on the zf transmission?
Do you need a transmission filter? If you do, where does it goes?
It's actually built into the transmission oil pan.
You should also reset transmission adaption in INPA or ISTA. Then follow the relearn procedures for ZF transmissions.
fcp euro says it’s not to do it in quote “No, you should not touch anything pertaining to resetting and relearning adaptations for a drain and fill service. Adaptation resets and relearns are only performed when mechanical components (solenoids, valve bodies, clutches, etc) are changed on the transmission.”
Great content bro. How's this trans pan and gasket held up over almost 3 years? Have you needed to change the fluid or gasket since this?
Thanks, I'd go with genuine ZF pan if possible. The filter material started to come apart about a year ago and I changed the pan out for a ZF one.
Vehicular DIY thank you for the update and advice.
How’d you notice that the filter started to come apart just curious thank you
I have a 2008 e90 with an auto transmission and 150k miles. Never done a transmission flush, and the transmission does shift slow at times. I know there is a slight problem but not sure what it could be. I plan on doing a transmission fluid change...will that help it shift better?
LazerC4 did you do it, was it better?
@@kDotxGUCCi yes it was much better. The guy at the shop said it was so dirty I should do another filter and fluid change soon. I am 3 years later and doing it again now myself. Never shifted as bad as 3 years ago though.
Should use an Allen bit and a socket wrench. But good job overall.
very helpful. many thanks. redline d4 works good? any difference you feel? d4 or d6 is better on this transmission?
So far it's fine, very smooth. I do not have much experience with D6 to comment on that sorry.
Had a question, my 2006 330i jerks coming to a stop and i occassionally gets the red cogwheel sign and goes off. I researched on forums and this is what i was told: “This could be caused from a faulty shift solenoid, pressure loss or faulty speed input. You'll have to monitor trans pressure adaptations and ISS and OSS to see which area it may be”. Is changing the solenoid a DIY thing? The car drive fine, its just doesnt feel right shifting from low gears. Also i get a bouncy speedometer needle. This is the codes it throws on my icarly app. 1. Rotation detection right rear 005DC6
2. Advance sense rear left 005DB6
Like you said, these e90’s engine and transmission are stealth. Hopefully that is the case on my transmission not going out.
Joseph Galvan Yes you can change a solenoid yourself. Good luck!
I just bought a 2008 335xi 2 days ago with 142k miles on it and there is already something leaking from the bottom of the car. I think it is transmission fluid because my oil levels are showing normal. Where would you recommend me check first?
Check around the drain plug of the transmission, next at the top right corner where the mechatronic sleeve is. Next would be the oil filter housing then the oil pan.
Check everything Vehicular DIY mentioned and don't forget the valve cover gasket. Usually symptoms from that would be burning oil scent, smoke in the engine bay, and you may be able to see where the oil drips on the cat. Most common location is the back corner of the passenger side. I just changed mine three times and it was still leaking, I wound up finding a crack in the valve cover and had to order a replacement that should arrive today (hopefully). Common issue with N54 engines, among others. The trans pan on the auto is plastic so keep that in mind. Also keep in mind that you have AWD so you have front and rear diffs. Not to say those would be the culprit, but always worth remembering. Don't be scared of the car because you have 142k miles. I have 178k on mine - a 2007 (with JB4 always on map 5 and BMS DCI) and with meticulous maintenance, it still runs perfectly. Thus far on my car, I've changed the water pump/thermostat, valve cover and gasket, washer fluid pump, replaced the injectors, spark plugs and oil changes frequently (I don't use the car's oil change regimen because I'm not driving 15k on the same oil - but that's just me), replaced the coolant line across the top of the radiator, replaced the vacuum lines, and walnut blasted the intake valves (also an easy DIY with the right equipment that I would HIGHLY recommend if it hasn't been done or if you are unsure; I got the blaster from Harbor Freight and ordered the BMW wand tool and hose adapter on bavauto, but there was a MARKED increase in throttle response, power, fuel economy, and general drivability). Just a few suggestions to make sure you get to learn your car properly because they are GREAT cars!
I found the problem. There was a small crack in the transmission pan. I was able to replace it, thanks for the help!
First you have to check and loosen the fill plug Boss Man
can you post a link to the parts?
Nice work. Have you done it on the e70? Where did you get that pump?
Thanks, a video for the same procedure is coming up for the E70. The pump I bought in Canada from a place called Canadian Tire. I've seen a similar pump at auto parts stores here in the US.
wow. looking forward to that. The biggest difference from this video, I think will be that some of the rear screws are right above a crossmember, making them hard to get to.
Does anyone measure the amout of fluid coming out before they refill..?
Yes I did. I first let the fluid dump into a 2 gallon bucket. Then poured bucket into two empty motor oil gallon jugs with clear measuring scale on back. This really helped me to determine if I'd put in enough. In and out were nearly 6 quarts.
after the car reached 50 degrees and you started pumping more fluid in, did you have to undo the plug again and did it cause a bunch of ATF fluid to start seeping out again?
No once it stopped flowing out of the fill hole I put the plug back in and was done.
Dude get yourself a torque wrench.
Im on 99k without a gearbox filter and oil change. My cars throwing 4f89 code at me, gear ratio monitoring 3-4.
I dont know what that means but im hoping the oil change will fix this. Will it?
I think it's referring to the gear change between 3rd to 4th gear. Perhaps is sensed minor slip. A fluid change plus resetting adaptations will be the first step.
Vehicular DIY resetting adaptations? What do you mean by this? Ive perfmored the oil change using your guide so thank you very much for that. I didnt really fill it up using the temperature method but i did engage the gears and leave the car running for atleast 10 to 15 min before topping the oil level up again. Im hoping that was enough inshallah. So at the moment, this code seems to have vanished!
Unfortunately it is more likely a B or C bushing has worn too much because no service was done earlier. A TCM reset will not correct that. With ZF's they have to be maintained well so don't always believe manufacturers "lifetime" sales marketing assertions. Research the Europeans experience and you will find that unless the oil and seals are changed regularly other mechanical wear problems emerge and it will cost big dollars to fix. Other than needing 50k maintenance the ZF 6HP transmissions are great engineering.
Joshua's Jive im gonna give the car a good rip omce i got it up and runninh again. Ill see if it hits me with this code again. Im praying to the lord almighty that it doesnt. If it does, ill be riggt back here.
Atm, i got downpipes and and forge intercooler, soon ill be on around 400bhp with a remap. Cant wait. Also,i live the uk, so pounds pls noy dollars
aibel99 did it end up working bro?
good explanation
Great Channel! One question, have you had any problems after using the Redline fluid instead of the ZF lifeguard? Just just bought a 2011 335D with 175K miles. Shifts fine but my daily commute is 100 miles, so thinking I need to change trans fluid.
My shop put redline d6 in my car and it doesn't seem to like it at all. I purchased the correct fluid and will be swapping it out tomorrow. i'd use oem
@@whyzee125 did it work with the swap?
Did you mix the D4 with the bmw atf #2 trans fluid was all fluid drain from torque converter?
There is always some fluid left in the torque converter so yes I did end up mixing some. I am now running Pentosin ATF 1
It's nice
you are the man
I bought the Pentosin ATF 1 do you think I can go with fluid because I have not seen anyone use that fliud in these videos. Thanks
Yes you can use Pentosin ATF 1, I've done so on my X5.
Good job
How's the quality of the new filter? I'm seeing it sold for around $300
So far I've had no issues with the pan I've installed.
9:54 change your smoke alarm batteries
you r no 1
Excellent! Great job and thank you.
What I want to know is how the hell did you turn your car in without putting the key in the ignition slot?!?
It has comfort access.
Hi first of let me say thanks for sharing your knowledge. This is a great video. I just have a question. Where do you download that software you used to check the temperature of the fluid? And is it very necessary to know the temperature to finish filling fluid up? Thanks again!
Check out this video: th-cam.com/video/tT1GyveMK0k/w-d-xo.html Click the description.
You could also just get a laser temperature gun to get an idea of when the trans is up to operating temp.
Yes it is important to fill only when the transmission is up to full operating temp and it's also important to ensure
that the transmission is not too hot when doing your final fill.
Did you car come equipped with a back up camera or did you installed it?
I installed it, I have videos on my channel showing you how to do it.
Ozzy Reyes hmm
What's the torque specs for the bolts of the oil pan? Great video man! I need to do this work because my 335i is leaking from the oil pan (Transmission)
David Logz did you figure out what's the torque spec?
Was there not a pan gasket?
It's built into the oil pan.
Where'd you get those tail lights?
They are stock, they are red tint overlays on the trunk lights. You'll find those overlays on eBay.
Mane you think this is the same as the DCT trans?
No I would think it's quite different, the DCT is basically an automated manual transmission.
How do I know if I have the ZF
Plastic trans pan
Do you know if it’s the same for 07 328xi
Yeah it's pretty much the same. It will have the ZF 6HP26. Even my X5 looks exactly the same.
I just did a transmission fluid change on my 335xi. The drive shaft is covering the fill port on the driver side. Luckily there is also a fill port on the right side. It's annoying to get at, but doable.
I have the same vehicle with 140K miles on the odo. Transmission fluid has never been changed. At this point is it better to keep the old fluid or should I go ahead and change it? The car has never been driven hard.
Change the fluid, the sooner the better, trust me!
I'd say change it, the transmission adapts overtime. The chances of your clutches being burnt up due to lack of maintenance at 140k miles is low I would say. Better to give the transmission a chance by changing the fluid IMO.
Vehicular DIY I have an '08 E60 with 125k miles. AFAIK, it has never underwent transmission fluid service. I brought it to the dealer to pay through the nose because I didn't want the dyi hassle. They refused to do it saying it could do more harm than good. Can this procedure cause problems when done correctly?
It cannot cause harm, you'll shorten the life of your transmission significantly if you don't change the fluid, I don't mean to scare you, but that's what my experience has been with ZF 6hp19 transmissions, ZF (the manufacturer of these transmissions) recommends changing the fluid every 30k milies, 50k miles the latest.
Fadi Dan thanks for your incite. I will likely change mine. Since I do not believe it was ever changed before should I do it twice in a few months time in an effort to replace all the fluid?
Throw that red pump away !