The Undiscovered Self, by Carl Jung (audiobook)
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- Jung discusses his concerns for the world in regard to communism, nuclear weapons, and the fragile state of democracy. Most troubling to Jung are the ever-increasing proclivity to mass-mindedness, and the eradication of the individual by the "State".
Written decades ago, this brilliant work has more impact than ever in today's world, where many of Jung's concerns have come to fruition. The informed listener will, no doubt, find Jung's predictions, and assessment of human nature, spookily accurate.
Note: this is my second narration of this essay. The original narration of it was my first narration ever, and I believe this one to be a considerable improvement over the first.
Read by Gregg Boethin
Reading his books totally blows my mind. I can't figure how a single person could carry such huge overall knowledge and elaborate such genius theories.
What should be the book to start with? A simple one.
@@onaraider2007 The Pathology of Normalcy by Erich Fromm
@twizzle mc fizzle ; You don't have to suffer from psychosis to become analytical. You just need to analyze the fundamental building blocks of whatever you are studying to understand and agree or disagree with the backing and evidence for each block. This is supposed to be the goal of education, instead of simple memorization without independent and deep analysis. You also need to spend time practicing thinking like other people from their point of view including their emotions. You then begin to decipher their thought processes and the errors in those thought processes and the emotions that lead to the self-induced misinformation. When you do this over many years, you begin to see patterns. Basically, you are able to see anything from multiple points of view and understand how people arrived at those errors.
well it wasn't one person. Jung just followed the path that was led by others like Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Freud to name a few. Jung was no doubt a G, but just like Mozart had to have a guy by the name of Bartolomeo Cristofori invent the Piano first, Jung had lots of geniuses to learn from as well. As Isaac Newton said so eloquently, " If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants"
@fynes leighit is said that the i , begins by a U ... (you)
Reminder everyone that this book was published in 1958. If you think Jung describes a contemporary movement than I should remind you that this is the man that developed the collective unconscious and to delve seriously into history.
Parts of Beyond Good and Evil are the exact same way, but a hundred years before The Undiscovered Self. I'm listening to this again from about five years ago and thought it was relevant then, as well, though the conditions were different. Also, reading something like Letters from a Stoic and hearing Seneca describing how modern people had become weaker and lazier through their technological advances, you can't help but think that Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence has some validity.
This just changed my life. Thank you.
I beleive there are 3 people inside of us.
Imagine a mask split down the middle. One side is the devil, and one side is Jesus. Imagine grabbing both sides of that mask and tearing it down the middle, only to reveal the face of the individual. It's a balance between the primal heathen and the ascendant angel that forms the spirit of the individual.
Knowing when to wield these spirits through balance is key.
1:00:36 “the individual psyche, just because of its individuality, is an exception to the statistical rule and is therefore robbed of one of its main characteristics when subjected to the leveling influence of statistical evaluation” - Jung … so powerful.
The median man is no man. The average man certainly isn't. The individual man stands alone in mass hiding amongst equally confused peers
Listening to such penetrating insights back to back is almost overwhelming. What an incredible thinker. Thanks for posting.
“Absolute reality has predominantly the character of irregularity.”
This is like the psychological equivalent of Gödel’s incompleteness theorem.
"Heed these words, you who wish to probe the depths of Nature: If you do not find within your Self that which you seek, neither will you find it outside. If you ignore the wonders of your own House, how do you expect to find other wonders? In you is hidden the Treasure of Treasures. Know Thyself and you will know the Universe and the Gods." --Oracle of Delphi
At the time, these words said it all and they still do. Know yourself and you know everyone is consiosness expressing itself in this world as form. Consciousness loves form and creates form so that it can experience itself. The universe is not simply something "out there", It's you and me and every other form of life expressing itself. The universe is evolving and so must we.
Where is it recorded that those words was spoken at the Oracle of Delphi?
Thank you 🦋
@@sayusayme7729 They were inscribed in stone there.
Close your eyes on a high dose lsd experience, and yeah, it can show you some things.
As I heard these words, I couldn’t stop thinking how relevant they are to our current situation.
Thank you for sharing 🙏🏽❤️
same 🤍
No more than when it was written... These are not particularly difficult times... No world War for example.
@@vincentanguoni8938 yes they are more relevant these days. You are right, these are not difficult times. There is no huge struggle outside, so people start to notice their inside struggle more. And it can be very dangerous is those internal struggles, are not addressed correctly.
I too find them extremely relevant in today's world and it is so important to remember the past, we are dealing with a lot of the same issues just in different ways.
It's after a long time that I read something..and something from Jung. I am writing notes below on some of the points that struck a chord with me .
- Individuals losing their individuality because of being ruled by the state.
- The state taking the role of a religious creed , and even God, while the connection of individuals with God is disrupted.
- Science treating individuals as statistical instead of seeing the individual.
- People trying to understand religion and psyche through the lens which they understand of rationality and science and failing at it .
- Religious impulse and inbuilt phenomena to the nature of humans and when God and religion is taken away, something else replaces it usually with dire consequences.
- Religion and theology need to be seen symbolically instead of seeing them as literal true stories.
- The violence outside committed by someone else, is part of human psyche and hence we are all responsible in someway for them.
- It is important to see the 'evil' in our psyche instead of projecting the blame on someone else. In seeing it one understands oneself better and has lesser chances of using those impulses as violence against someone else with an alibi of doing good, of an ideal.
- As individuals in society get far away from understanding each other, and as they get atomiced, the role of state becomes higher, and the chance of one's own knowledge about oneself decreases, and increases the chances of violence in the society as the evil in the psyche manifests.
- It's not just evil that resides in the unexplored aspects of the psyche, but also the dynamism that can help us become whole in the way we are and what we do.
- It's in understanding and acceptance of our own weakness and humility, that we will seek human relationships and it's healthy for our individual psyches and also the society. Without it one might approach the other with arrogance and make the negotiation non -conducive for human interaction.
- personal inference : As much as all this might seem as a problem of people, as a sign that others need to change, the lesson here is to see oneself, know oneself, get one's own life in order, not by merely rebelling , but by individually understanding ourselves, and our connection to others and human psyche . It also indicates that despite the pressures of the society into forming unconscious habits, against doing what we know is necessary for us, we may see how we have formed those habits, and in turn realize what we truly want to do.
Took me like 38ish years... to understand my being... when you get to this stage and really do not give a... unless you give a.... a new understanding of life begins... you are more open to everything... melt into a new world...
Sounds like you experienced what is called an ego shedding...
I would have never comprehended this information before receiving new ears to hear💓 Thank you!
I was awakened as a toddler. Be thankful you haven’t spent your entire life with this mindset because you’d just be the outcast like myself. No one believes anything I have to say because my thoughts have always been seen as crazy or radical when it is just natural law
I was the same !!!I tried it and I would passed out, I Would have headaches and panic attacks!! Now it's like sweet music to my ears !!! 🧘♂️🧘♀️.. I'm still amazed by how far ahead of his time ,he really was.....
Damn ... this dude thinks his better then jesus!!!( woken from birth)..😑... even jesus had to have a normal life and meditation was what unlocked it !!!I only suffered until I open my eyes !!! Then the suffering stopped!!! So maybe you are very sensitive to energys!! But jesus, buddha, and all the masters around the world would tell you !!! Your not borned with this !!😁🙏🏽... you probably can sense energies!!! Doesn't mean you understand them !!! ( it seems you don't) just the way you spoke about it was in a negative way and as a victim !!! I used to think that way .... find a guru !!!! To learned to used your gifts !!! I dont been to be an asshole, but theres a big difference. ..... and you will know when you get there !!!! 100%🧘♂️🧘♀️🤴👸 Hidden Hand ..let's talked please !!!!
Oh the misunderstood awakened ones so lonely on the pinnacle of knowledge. Those chosen few that instinctively apprehend the truth that eludes us mere mortals.
@@jean-frederic-pascalgoddar9801 sorry brother it was for you !!
As individuals it is important to work at our own self development according to what touches our buttons and this is made easier in a Society opened to Humanism and where productions is associated with Human Resources narratives that have contributed, successfully, to have people from different nationalities working under the same roof!
i think the beginning of this audio is more relevant today than ever
"Most troubling to Jung are the ever-increasing proclivity to mass-mindedness, and the eradication of the individual by the "State". " Yep and the proclivity just keeps rolling on. I'm glad to find your narration of The Undiscovered Self. I've been trying to explain the importance of self-sufficiency, sovereignty of mind, self-determination, self-actualization and individuation to people who prioritize falling in line with the "collective consciousness", which has really come to mean the will of the state in a duopoly choice political system.
Since my comments often get disappeared in YT (regardless of what I'm talking about), I think I'll just point people to about 1:10:00 into narration here, or perhaps 54:40 Part 4: The Individual's Understanding of Himself, where the chapter begins.
That's for creating and posting this. I've tried narration and know that it isn't easy, even for someone who reads fluently and is comfortable speaking into a mic. I'm not, so I really do appreciate that you are. 🙏
Thanks, Gregg, for your splendid narration of an awesome book.
I personally read to myself the book the undiscovered self more than twenty years ago when I was a college student and was assigned to do a report . After the years have gone by, I have read the book around two more times. I loved the translation and tge magnificent way of Paranormal psychologist Carl Jung providing his knowledge about our true self. Listening to this audiobook, I am under the impression that I am not listening to the authentic written book but to the interpretation of someone else other than Carl Jung's written book.
I'm reading this and Stirner's the Unique and its Own at the same time and I can't help but notice the parallelisms with that book. Carl Jung even says "the end sanctifies the means" and illustrates how the State uses lies as a political instrument. Whereas Stirner says "the end hallows the means" and illustrates how war is justified for the wellbeing of the citizen, the "good cause", i.e, the cause of the State itself.
1:19:44 - "Resistance to the organized mass can only be effected by the man who is as well organized in his individuality as the mass itself."
I've read a decent portion of Jung's works and I've still yet to come across a statement of his that hit me as hard as that one.
Jordan Peterson
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What does this quote mean?
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Never do as others
do if you want to
resist the Borg.
Learning from this guy feels like cheating on a test. Giving me the forbidden knowledge lol. Awesome, amazing, deep stuff.
No doubt man absolutely life changing
We are living in insanity and Jung has become my only foundation that makes sense.
I also suggest James Allen. Start with As a Man Thinketh and go from there.
And Immanuel Goldstein
@fynes leigh bless you friend
This work has been promoted to near biblical status for me. I've probably listened to it close to a hundred times. The ideas are pivotal for understanding the plight of the individual in modern society and this message has grown more important as time goes on. Thanks again for the amazing read!
I’d recommend Nietzsche but be warned. His work is hard to take in. He drops a difficulty comprehend truth in every sentence.
We are far into his prophetic society. Individualism is great for personal individuality but isolated from the others we are more and more isolated parents and child's are isolated from each other. We are weak so weak in front of any power who could take control. Up to now freedom exist on X not on Facebook so we will see up to where it will go. I recently discovered Carl Gustav Jung a liberator talking in the name of science defending the spiritual world in our minds excellent book thank you to read it to me while I keep busy doing my duty.
Everything he wrote in thsi small book, is comming true right now before our very eyes, Yet there is a super duper critical need of reading Jung via a critical commentary. The Jungians are lost, Jung has been cheated.
Amazing, I love Jungs work. Feels like he is speaking to my very being
Thanks very much to the reader for a high quality reading effort 1:12:35 "A million zeros joined together do NOT, unfortunately add to ONE. Ultimately everything depends on the quality of the INDIVIDUAL......1:14 ....if the individual is NOT truly regenerated in spirit, society cannot be either, for society is the sum total of individuals in need of redemption....1:18 The Infantile Paradise p. 51 1:58 The seat of FAITH...is not consciousness but spontaneous religious experience, which brings the individual's faith into immediate relation with God. p. 71 2:15 "Reason alone does NOT suffice"
Until I listened to this, I never knew how closely Jung and Hayek converg on the importance of the individual and the dangers of mass movements. Jung could have written the forward to "The Road to Serfdom".
Hayek and Pinochet.
I have listened to the beinging of this several times. It is so thought provoking.
What a treasure trove your channel is. Thank you.
Marvelous contribution of Jung to the world of Self!
Thanks so much for this recording!
Thank God I discovered him in the 1980's.
“The call is coming from... INSIDE THE HOUSE!” 🙀🙀🙀
"Can´t believe my daughter married you.."
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I highly suggest reading Iain McGilchrest's works on the divided brain and then go back and listen to this. It really adds a lot of insights to Jung.
Thanks for slowing it down Think Neo. I tried slowing down the shorter version manually but the slight voice distortion produced is distracting. Much more comfortable listening in this reading.
We are currently living in a psychic pandemic, not a viral one
Agreed. Very agreed. Our psychic pandemic causes all the material catastrophes and pandemics we are experiencing.
Bookchin’s philosophy of Dialectical Naturalism extends our philosophical tradition into a conscious awareness which he calls Free Nature. Social Ecology is the way forward for EcoBioPsychoSocial human evolution.
Thank you!
@@basemaleem7375 can you have both ?
Not sure if anyone made the same connection, but it seems pretty clear to me that within the first 5 minutes of this book that Jung perfectly, in every possible aspect, described the psyches of a significant portion of Western societies today. We are essentially living in the delusions of the mentally ill. And those mentally ill are angry resentful bitter jealous and wish to burn the whole thing down. Cue world war 1. Hopefully we can learn enough from that to not escalate something to make number three a reality. I have about as much hope as Jung did.
The best audio books ever
I find myself mapping the depths of the mind,it is interesting to find dark corners but i dare not thread too close until i find the courage and shine a light to find a strange decrepit version of yourself as if neglected..
Such an amazing argument at around 19 minutes in on how science creates group think and therefore can reduce the value of the individual
Outstanding read.
Very well done.
Pleasure to listen & thank you for choosing Jung.
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Wow if every high school kid was required to read this book it would change our world 4Better in less than Generation! Cuz he hits the Nail on the Head w/ wat & who is responsible for the problems&issues of our modern world!!!
Gregg, you have an excellent voice for reading. Very enjoyable listening to this. You make it very accessible to the listener. The one suggestion I would make for you is to work with a Linguistics coach to help with the pronunciation of many of these words from the Latin, Greek, and German. Pronunciation is off in many cases and that is the only thing that detracted from the experience of hearing this. Overall, great work on a very important project.
great work, just keep doing this. thanks a lot, the humanity doesn't even know how much it needs this.
SO BRUTAL as TRUTH shall always be. Difficult to swallow, much the less to defy? Maybe SIN incarnate ... dunno! Tends to make me physically unwell, but enlivened with the fact that there remains the "CHOICE"? ThePositive inner Voice of childhood to be made manifest untarnished by artificial demands ... GOD Bless You . NOT Easy !!!
Most enlightening thing I ever heard well written well read! A true prospective changer.
As I listen to this and look upon my surroundings, I find articulated what I have so long believed to be true. Now the question remains how to open others minds to this perspective of reflection.
That is indeed a a very good question ,having subconsciously know what is been said here all my life ,on the surface we are in this mad world trying to understand it from sometimes what feels like a spectators view with everyone around you believing what they are fed and for the most part being sucked into it because it seems the only alternative but still knowing deep down it all fiction ,also not knowing anyone that you could discuss this with , then I discover this and for the first time realise I am not alone in my inner knowing God bless be safe .
The problem we are faced with is language itself. It is a division of true reality. It labels things as bits and pieces rather than seeing the wholesome perspective. Language is the foundation to magical practice. With its symbolism a false sense of reality is created within the minds that can be fooled by its imagery...
The end of part 2 is incredible
Every line blows my mind. He was a walking library of knowledge and wisdom.
I truly appreciate your reading of this topic. Work is just better when I can listen to an intereting idea.
Guys i think the fact that we fell on this reality is it proving its existence and that maybe we are supposed to start a chain reaction event by sharing the video because honestly this is the world right now and seems to have always been.
The sadest thing is those who are trained in psychology have no idea that we are suffering from spiritual attacks or guidance to help save us from suffering. 🙏 it's all about helping save humanity save earth. Minimalism mindfulness connectedness. 💚
the first 3 and a half minutes nails it
Glad to see so many views on this great material.
“This conflict cannot be solved by an either or but only by a two way thinking. Doing one thing while not loosing the sight of the other!” Doctors who just gives out medication like it’s candy without regard to the complexity of a human, needs to read this book. It’s so irritating to me that we say you have ADHD, here medication. That’s not helping solve the problem by any means. It’s just putting a bandaid on it.
A megaphone for collective opinion is wild! Facts but wild statement!
Thank you so much for this recording
We are the infinite having experiences in the dreamstate
Self observation is the only path I can take that exposes the lies that is me.
Gregg, first of all thanks. Perhaps you might want to make a video pointing out the WHOPPERS of this essay, for some of us get caught up in the academic jargon. Though i was able to absorb and digest the narration, those who might desperately need it, may not.
Somebody please educate my counselor on this? You'd think she'd know. After all, she is the one with the degree right? For real tho? Are'nt you also grateful for this man to spend his life putting our being into words...
Just listened like 1min and subscribed!
Great work!! You just earned a sub!.
Thank you Gregg. Thank you Carl.
I sang this comment in Alanis Morissette's voice. Naked.
Conviction here is that there is no personal self with a freewill.we only react according to our conditioning
Great work. I agree, much improved
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Well read!! Thank you so much 🙏
Excellent. I finally understand!
if everyone in the modern world understood this, where would we be?
Mass psychosis 2021. Jung was a prophet.
I am 6 minutes in & this man mind is 🤯🤯🤯
And what does that mean in English?
🏴...Mind do not produce aims..Desire do not produces ..aims is a Production of Obedience to Undiscovered Self...Then It is not more you but your a higher aim then the first to fullfill..but your desire constrain your mind..to look at cats eye they dont move the sight till till the voice finish his spoken!
Thank you
Thanks Gregg. Much respect.
“Man is an enigma to Himself”
Everyday.
Thank you. This was wonderful and a joy to listen too ❤️❤️❤️
I was like let me put this in the background while doing physical work in the lab. Very quickly did I realize that as you would expect, I couldn't continue because of the energy consumption necessary for the very dense mental work required by this book. I feel quite enlightened already, 5mins into the book, not to mention that I got lost midway through. Such a thinker! Carl f*ing Jung, man!
Priceless
I use these to sleep. Thank you.
i use this to wake up
I use it to masturbate lol
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“We ought not to underestimate the psychological effect of the statistical world picture. It displaces the individual in favour of anonymous units that pile up into mass formations.
Science supplies us with, instead of the concrete individual, the names of organisations and, at the highest point, the abstract idea of the state as the principal of political reality.
The moral responsibility of the individual is then inevitably replaced by the policy of the state. Instead of moral and mental differentiation of the individual you have public well-fare and the raising of the living standard. The goal and meaning of individual life, which is the only real life, no longer lie in individual development but in the policy of the state which is trust upon the individual from outside and consists in the execution of an abstract idea which ultimately tends to attract all life to itself.
The individual is increasingly deprived of the moral decision as to how he or she should live his or her own life, and instead is ruled, fed, clothed and educated as a social unit accommodated in the appropriate housing unit and amused in accordance with the standards that give pleasure and satisfaction to the masses.
The rulers in their turn are such as much social units as the ruled and are distinguished only by the fact that they are specialised mouth pieces of the state doctrine. They do not need to be personalities capable of judgment but thorough going specialists who are unusable outside their line of business.
State policy decides what should be taught and studied.”
Can someone help me understand if he's talking about Latin America and add any input
A ancient Taoist sage once wrote : the scarab roles his ball (of dung). Apropos of nothing, which ball am I (as a PMH*) if I cannot lend a hand, shoulder, and a leg-up to Sysiphus if I disavow Nature's untold story of Man, myth, and magic (see the old book so called). For I am called to Act, in any way I can. Thanks.
Thank ya Gov’na! For posting
Read 2021 December
The iron curtain was in Russia
Genocide of the Seed
He is describing the west so clearly right now, yikes 😮
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brilliant plain and simple.
This is truly enlightening
When no one is willing to listen, you end up with hatred agents, one another, which always ESCALANTE
Great content!
Thank you 🙏🏼 for sharing
Is this the entire book?
Every experience causes adjustments.
This is relevant
Excellent work. You've got a new regular.
Jung…. Listening to Jung…..The most dangerous thing you can do. The most dangerous thing you cannot do!
Thank you. ❤
Phenomenal book
I just realized that I'm too dumb too understand this
you're merely a beginner. don't doubt yourself
You don't always get to understand something by reading or hearing it once. People re-read a book 2-3 times to get its meaning sometimes. That's why reading is important. You can't expect someone who never exercised to suddenly be able to do 250 pushups in one go.
@@leon00778 I feel you. I found this book from Sir. Peterson. And he mentioned that every time he reads this book, he learn something new that he never have seen before. Thanks for the recall :)
Don’t know your age, but it takes some years of “going around the block a few times” for this stuff to resonate. Take it slow. I rewind a lot to take it in. Some of the reference to psychology will be the most technical.
This opens a ton of doors to a way of thinking most typically avoid. With time you will develop the ability to understand.
What year was this written in?
FOREVER JUNG !
Having listened to Jordan Peterson for some time now, all this sounds very familiar
I find this cadence difficult to listen to. What's with the random pauses?
I guess this is something I need to read instead of listen to lol. Otherwise I have to pause the video and think about everything lol
I also feel this. Although, with all dense subjects, it doesn't hurt to continually revisit them so why not do it through a variety of mediums?
Its really weird for me to stumble upon this during this coronavirus pandemic....
Yes.. Now that's collective neurosis and paranoia for sure