The Antidote to Pakistan's Identity Crisis - Pervez Hoodbhoy & Nawfal Saleemi
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- "The Antidote to Pakistan's Identity Crisis - Pervez Hoodbhoy & Nawfal Saleemi"
Pakistan came into being amidst the cataclysmic partition of India. This country had been demanded Muslims living in Muslim majority areas of North-Western and North-Eastern parts of India. However, it soon became clear that the regions that came to constitute Pakistan included many diverse people with varying beliefs, languages, and cultural heritage.
Despite this, the predominantly Punjabi military-bureaucratic state forcefully tried to assert a particular strand of identity on its people that revolved around Islam. This alone proved to be insufficient in terms of a project of nation-building, evident in the rejection of this monolithic project by people from Bengal, Balochistan, Sindh, and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
Pakistan's ruling elites continue to look towards other nations and cultures for a story of our own identity, borrowing from Arabs to Turks, this project will continue to fail till such a time when the Pakistani project of identity is rooted in its own soil, history, heritage, and diversity.
Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy is Pakistan's foremost public intellectual as well as a renowned physicist and academic.
M. Nawfal Saleemi is a student, researcher, and progressive political activist.
#PervezHoodhboy #PervezHoodbhoyOfficial #PakistanIdentityCrisis
Thank you for all your comments and thoughts, it is a great pleasure that the audience is actively participating in the discussions.
1920→we are persian
1947→we are pakistani
1960→we are arabic
2020→we are turkic，ertugrul ghazi zindabad😄😄😄
2040-> we are Chinese.
Bro So there was a Pakistani guy with Rajput surname. I asked him where his ancestors came from. He said Saudi Arabia 😂😂😂😂
😂😂🤣🤣
@@madandu 😂😂🤣🤣
@@ItzIndianKrisp 😂😂🤣🤣
So there was a Pakistani guy with Rajput surname. I asked him where his ancestors came from. He said Saudi Arabia 😂😂😂😂
They are brainwashed beyond repair now...
Impressed with the interviewer. Looks like he knows what he is talking about and the conversation flows so smoothly because of it
Very soomth conversation indeed.
@@yanib47 *I m damn sure that he is not from madarsa*
Debates on Pakistani channels are much better compared to ours. I have stopped watching Indian media at least for last ten years, however periodically watch Pakistani debates mostly crap but few are good like this one, plus I like professor Hoodbhoy.
They hate India and hindus anyway
@Rahul Mishra aapne shayad kuch aur samajh lia. Maine sirf interviewer k interviewing skills ki tareef ki hai
We do not wish you any harm. Even then, we Bangladeshis 🇧🇩 cannot forget the extreme events that took place in East Pakistan from 1947 to 1971. And you have not yet formally apologized to the state for the Bengali genocide and rape and injustice. Forgiveness is a great virtue. And it is possible to be holy by asking for pure forgiveness. And forgiving someone is also a great virtue. Besides, to be honest, you have yet to establish a full-fledged state. No matter how many conspiracies are hatched externally, if there is mutual respect and trust among the people, then no one can suppress it. I respect your statement.
As a Pakistani, I am sorry for the disaster and atrocities my nation has brought upon yours. I know that this can not satisfy you wanting others to apologize, but I at least hope it can do something.
Pakistanis don't know what is virtue. That is why they haven't apologized, Same thing they do with India They are crude, vicious and their last resort is Terror. Keep hoping,
They will never because they are cowards and napunshak, as a Bengali I hate pakistan army most .
As an Indian, I'm very impressed at the self reflection both the host and the guest have showcased regarding the origins and realities of Pakistan. This kind of rational cogitation is what, in my opinion, will build a sense of nationhood within Pakistan, and normalise it's relations with its neighbours, especially India.
Even though I appreciate sir hoodhboy but he is also looking through a deeply secular lens balance is somewhere else
Normalise , u live in la la land . Pakistan's whole existence is that it is not india.
@@omduttdixit3433 It is not, Pakistan's people have their own existence and destiny
@@vibhuvikramaditya4576 like ukraine. What happens to them they become refugee with in months . What happened to Afghanistan.
So, remember strong decide the destiny of weak not people .
@@omduttdixit3433 Yes that has been the destiny of civilizations that have thought well to flirt with the idea of strong governments deciding the fate of people instead of communities dictating what their local life should be. Remember there has never been a war between people of a place with people of another place, when the interests of a certain section of a country don't align with the interest of another section in another country, Everyone is called to pay the price.
All Pakistani Converted Muslim...
Tumhre forefathers Hindu hain 😅😇
Korean culture same as China，same festival，same eating habits，look same as Chinese，Korean language similar with Chinese，but they still Korean， North Korea also has abolished Chinese characters
My favourite Pakistani Pervez sir,he criticises India as well but with facts and not just as a Pakistani.
God bless him🙏.
Desert cult is the problem. Send it back to Arabian deserts. I love how he just revoles around it but doesn't criticise the elephant in the room.
Burqe me mulli
Masjid me haram
Bachpan me kati lulli
Khatre me Islam
He'll be killed if he does that. Feel for the poor guy.
we are proud of our culture
Eurasian cult is the problem in India. Send it back to Eurasia. I love how Indians just revolves around it but doesn't criticise the elephant in the room.
islam is the religion of God Allah almighty not of arabs
The guy who is taking interview is also intelligent and he knows what is wrong happening in Pakistan
But he makes lengthy questions.
+jonty Singh
*Tussee Khalistan dee chinta karo👳👳*
+@Manjeet Singh
*Your IQ works only after midnight and you know that 😛😛👳👳👳*
@@evergreenking6117 oyy sara india hi kalistan ha yara. Tu tension na le. Anxiety ki medicine le. Tu Pakistan de panjabi di fiker ker. Assi onu banabage khalistan. Te capital hogi lahore.
+@@singhsingh-mv4tf
*I do not need any anxiety medicine but the entire Sardar community needs brain replacement 👳😀 and also no matter how bad Pakistan is,we are free and you're not 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰💪💪💪🐷*
Truly intellectual of our time is dr hoodbhoy. But unfortunately our minds and hearts have been polluted by politicians, establishment, religious extremists etc we cannot easy understand the essence of the views of Dr Hoodbhoy!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sir! You are one of the greatest individual in Pakistan! Don't worry. The ideas you have taught will not die. These ideas are like birds, they just fly from one place to another.
“A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. Ideas have endurance without death.” JFK
You are Ghustakh e rasool you are able to killed halala ki nasl
@@user-yb7uc2sd3y نکل بھوسڑی کے!
"Ideas are Bulletproof"
- V
Ideas is haram in Islam n you are supporting haram it means you are against Islam its means you are wajib e qatal halala ki nasl
Mr Hoodhboy is one of Pakistan's finest minds.
This Mr Hoodbhai ,a physics teacher,is an agnostic, and devoid of any knowledge of ideologically driven movement of Pakistan.He among learned circles is notorious as a BONGA ( stubborn and opinionated) His followers in the country are far and few .His westernised thinking has nothing to do with the teaching of QURAAN e MAJEED. On the other hand This young interviewer should have at least studied “Iqbal’s letter to Jinnah” to know the history of the movement of two nations theory.
In 1200s today's Hazara were Mongolians. Today's 90% Mongolians practice Sri Sri Ravi Shankar's Art of living. Secular Dharmic Chengiz Kahn's progeny 4 generation later became MohMaddens to be ayyash like MohMaddens Khalifa and enjoy slave economy and empire. Taimurids are wrongly called Mughal/Mongol. Pakistanis crave to be Taimurids.
Thank you very much, Sir, I am Bangladeshi, Your discussion impressed me greatly. Aaj ka guptogu kabele Tarif hay. Huge respect from Germany.
Bhai can u discuss on Bangladesh history
Grate explanation....
Lots of love from India ❤️💚 almost 90% of Pakistanis are Hindu converts, their culture is Indian culture not Arabian or Persian
Iran has had a great influence on our culture as a whole. Maybe it hasn't had an effect on India but it has in Pak. Our food, literature and culture has very strong linkages with Iran.
@@trndsttr7585 punjap and sindh were under indian culture. Kpk and Balochistan were under influence of Persian culture
*So what?? Yeah genetically x ethnically speaking, Ethnicity of Pakistanis is Indo Aryan, they're not 100% Arabs, Turks, Persians etc, why is that a big deal, basically, all they want is that all Muslims of subcontinent become Hindu again which is absurd, and they talk about these things that look you're genetically and ethnically indian, yeah so what?? Just say clearly that you want to enforce Hinduism on all on hindus*
@@trndsttr7585 only baloch who are Iranian
@@shariqsalman92 u don't know hav basic knowledge of races 😂 thatswhy Muslims of Indian subcontinent hav identity crises
Iranian is not a race but Nationality Iranians were also Indo-Aryans same as north indian subcontinental (India , pakistan and Afganistan)
Pls read the history of Persia they were Vedic Hindus before invasion of Islam on Persia even Iran name came from Aryan
Rajpoot, Jaat, ahir, Dogra, Gujjars, Garhwali, Pastun, pathan, are Indo-scythians originated from Central Asia ( Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, etc ) and Came to Indian subcontinent in Kushan empire ( Indo-scythians greeko-buddhist empire of Indian subcontinent ) and Ruled Northern Indian subcontinent from 4th century AD to 12th Century AD with different Clans , Dynasties and Kingdoms
South Indians are Indo-dravdians
North east indians are Indo-tibetians, Indo-burmese, Indo-Chinese and Indo-mongolians mixed
East indians ( Orrisa, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, Bengal including Bangladesh ) are Indo-Aryans, Indo-scythians and Indo-dravdians mixed 🙏
Nepali and Butani are Indo-tibetians and Indo-Chinese mixed
Srilanka are Indo-Aryans language and Indo-dravdians + Indo-Aryan Race 🙏
Am seriously worried if India will become like Pakistan. It is already sowing such seeds. Instead of love , hatredness gets more space in most of the media channels.
India is intact getting close its identity
I am amazed at my india...no one taught it to unite but still it feels one despite thousands of differences...there is a feeling of unity underlying so many differences and beautiful fact is no one imposed it on us...really great 🥰🥰🥰🥰...looking at pakistan they failed in this unity aspect....i only think its Gods plan to cut these tumors from indian territory 🧐🧐🧐
Proud of my hindi background. Not an arab. Never will be. My DNA test proved this while we grew up listening to lies.
@@szuberi I'm so happy you found out. Atleast now you won't hate your idol worshiping brothers and sisters haha. Stay safe.
@@stylinnet2395 I do not give a crap if you are happy or sad. Atleast I do not worship an angry and egoistic god who needs a sooth ego by demanding worship several times a day lol
@@szuberiwhat nonsense comment you are making!
Please talk about why our pakistani punjabis are ashamed of their language punjabi, and consider it a shoe shiner language. What are the reasons for that? Despite the fact punjabi has been spoken for thousands of years before Urdu. I have seen most pakistani punjabis speaking Urdu with their children, in a punjabi accent.😅😅😅😅. What are the psychological reasons why a nation starts to feel ashamed of their own language, and history. Professor please speak on this subject. I briefly know that Colonisation is one of the reason, but please speak in more details.
Because it is related to india. Pakistan keep running from everything which include india
I am from India and love Pakistan and Pakistanis only because this man (prof sahib) belong to that nation.
Thanks bro right message
Why because of only this man.
ذبردست معلومات فراہم کی گئی ہے
Discrimination is the manifestation of hatred for a particular section of society or philosophy.
Hatred is further legitimised in the scripture with such derogatory terms such as "Kafir"
The question is : Why even such a word as Kafir should exist in a holy scripture, is God discriminatory ?
This philosophy of hatred has trickled down to the pyche of its followers and has dehumanised the non believers.
Why not leave the non believers alone.
Dalits,,,cough,,,untouchables....cough,cough
@@juhebhassan2617
Lol
Sunni shia ahmediya bohra 😂😂
@@juhebhassan2617 this worlds are not in religious books and Hindus don't have one single book to believe ....my Lord.
Privileged upper castes will go to any length to malign Islam but it won't change the fact that you have oppressed lower castes since the dawn of time and still continue to oppress them . You hate Islam because Muslims don't conform to your power dynamics.
Keep Hating(One hates a formidable oponent not an insignificant one so THANKS for acknowledging our might👍)
@@juhebhassan2617 Hate is evil.... against anyone.
Rare occasions when the interviewer is also smart. Baki Parvez sir toh smart hey hi 👍👍
Yes he is good at twisting his answers ,to save his face.
...only in physics!!!
The consequence of discrimination will always be counter discrimination, hatred begets hatred.
So, people should contemplate the possibility of expunging this word Kafir and make it a criminal offence to use that word.
Calling someone "Kafir" is "Non- Islamophobia" - fear of anything that's non Islamic.
Without a solution to this issue, no Islamic society will have peace or will they have the moral high ground to accuse others of phobia or discrimination.
You sir have no knowledge about the word kafir. The word kafir does not mean non believers in Islam, it means the one who rejects god. We can say atheists. Why would you take offense for a word?. If you say this is a offensive word, then there is a word for believers called as 'ghafir'. It's just a terminology. These nomenclatures are there in every abrahamic religions. Even i. Dharmic religion isn't there a word called 'lesser born'?
@@immammuddin5019 It's not the word & it's exact meaning. Let's not hide behind technicalities.
The word Kafir has been used with a negative & deragotary connotation right from the time of Prophet.
Nobody can deny this.
@@kanthavelkv From the time of prophet? Please give me a valid reference of that. Yes in the Indian discourse it is used negatively by some zealous clerics and hardliners. But to say it has been that way all along is an exaggeration.
@@immammuddin5019 Just look at how the Jews were referred to in those times & how they were treated, the information of which is in the scripture itself. You would get the answer.
You're again trying to hide behind technicalities by asking for a reference point.
@@kanthavelkvYou were talking about the derogatory use of the term kafir please give a reference for that. As for Jews it's a whole different context. But in the life of the prophet Jews of Medina were never humiliated. A particular tribe of Jews alone were killed because of their participation in the battle of khandaq.
ماشاءاللہ- بہت خوبصورت اور فکر انگیز topic - شناخت بحیثیت ایک پاکستانی، جغرافیائی حدود ہی سے قوم بنتی ھے ، مذہب انسان کی ذاتی سوچ ہے، اگر مسلمان ایک قوم ہیں تو پھر عرب، ایران ، ترکی ، آفغان، پاکستان، بنگلہ دیش سبھی کو یکجا اور انکا ایک حاکم ہونا چاہئے،
Well done for this thoughtful topic and an open discussion.
Admiration and Respect for Pervez Sir from India
Sub continent have shared History, religion changed with time. But ancestry remained same for large part of history.
"Qaum (Arabic: قوم, Persian: قوم) is the Arabic word for nation. It may refer to a community of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, and/or history. In this definition, a nation has no physical borders."
Source : Wikipedia
Very sad, bunch of confused converted people discussing on the concept of Quam.
Now the pertinent question is which Quam ?
Qaum of their ancestors or the people who owned them ?
@@help123research4 who is that." We "? Hindus??
If you mean something else, it is a shame that there is a society in planet earth, which is proud of invaders who were uncultured.
I normally don't comment on any video but this discussion was really astounding, keep it up love from India
What a healthy and enlightening discussion. I really appreciate this honest introspection of Pakistan and it’s identity! Well done!
India is a imagined country 😀, I thought you were a smart and balanced person
Bhaktu spotted.
Only natural countries are plateaus and islands... like Tibet and Australia and Japan. That's what he meant.
@Subodh Easy music ... i knw.
It is interconnected as a civilization. But as a modern republic... its present form and borders were reIMAGINED and put to reality...
If you understand the concept ... therz nothing really offensive
@Manjeet Singh ... ya sure.. even Islamic countries ... eg; Iraq, Pakistan, Bangladesh are all imagined by political outlook and geographically don't exist.
You really thought i had a separate standard on the Muslim ones?
I'm not an emotional fool like madrasa chhaaps or the Bhaktus of India. Secular forces are the only real constructive forces in the subcontinent
@Subodh Easy music by that definition, Europe is a country
@@tanvirshaikh7415 India is an imagined state. But not an imagined nation or country. As are Bangladesh and Iran. But countries like Iraq or Pakistan are imagined nations as well. That is the difference.
Dear Mr Hoodbhoy, I have been watching your videos for a while and am impressed with your simple, lucid narration of historical facts and realities. Sadly, you are one of the very few people who speak logically and passionately about nationalist affairs. Thoroughly impressed.
@Gulrez Rana brother.... I have question?
Dr. Hoodboy is indeed Pakistan's best thinker, philosophers and Scientist. How I wish Pakistan Government listens to his advise so that the general population in Pakistan can start their journey towards a prosperous country...
Ranjit singh shouldn't be forgotten!
He has already been. Every attempt is made to achieve it.
Bhagat Singh too...
There are many great people which land of Punjab produced from Porus to Dulla Bhatti to Ranjit Singh. From which point of view you read the history changes the whom you regard as great or not.
He didn't even talk about Maharaja Ranjit Singh even after being mentioned by the interviewer
@@AmandeepSingh-cv5qz bhai Sikh hone ki sajaa di ja rahi hai unhe
Sir you are doing great job.. Love you from India.. I am following you since 3-4 year
The ending just warmed my heart. I wish people could actually listen to Professor, instead of trying to put him in one box. He is one of the most important intellectuals Pakistan needs and has right now.
I couldn't agree more with you that we all need to listen and educate ourselves. I started with my family and friends, and I am trying my best to educate them on issues. If we want to change Pakistani society them we have to start from our own social circle first, and believe me, that's no walk in the park, but I'm hopeful and optimistic! There was a saying at Apple
“The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do.” - Steve Jobs
The ironic thing is that in the uk, we call everyone from India and Pakistan as ‘apnas’ and more recently as ‘desis’. That is the reality. Pakistan is truly an imagination.
The creation of “Pakistan” by cruelly dismembering thousands of years old BHARAT was a disaster and a curse upon the world 🛑
One and only fact we are all Indians and 99.9% are Hindus converts in west India
Indian is not a race... Its just different language speaking people in this region
Pakistani are Punjabi converts unlike us .
Very intelligent and logical interview sir ..... I love listening to you.... If every Pakistani get your level of intellect, South Asia will become next Euro Zone.
Can anybody explain the word 'naubadi' or something when the interviewer was talking about imagined country.. and took Pakistan,India as example in reference to Benedict Anderson's book? Does he mean heterogeneous people or diverse community?
@@smshuaib ohh..okay. Now I get the context. Thank you sir.
For the first time such purposeful discussion is taking place on the soil of Pakistan.I am sure 99.9% Pakistanis cannot either understand it or agree with it.
I am pakistani and I agree with you
What makes u both think like that?
A balanced and matter-of-fact discussion that delves into the depth of social relationships
Very much impressed with the interviewer.
فکر انگیز مکالمے ہیں
آپ سے گذارش ہے کہ ایک پروگرام
جاگیردانہ اور سرمایہ دارانہ نظام پر لازمی کریں
کیونکہ اسوقت یہ عالمی مسئلہ بنا ہوا ہے
سلامتی ہو ❤
Very nice and clear discussion.
You can hide your past from present generation teaching false history, but you can not deny your roots, your ancestors, your recorded history.
If you don't accept the fact of our history, roots, ancestry, rather than, if one is distorting history, then the distorted history will destroy the entire nation.
It was time you got on TH-cam sooner or later. Very good move to interact with a wider audience
It is a sign of the times we live in that this discussion took place between these two gentlemen.
Three decades back, it may have been deemed blasphemous. Six decades ago, they could have been arrested for offence to state and faith.
In his book 'Among the believers', Sir V S Naipaul states that Islam demands that the convert forego all ties with his past. Having seen the light, the past of darkness must be abandoned. From that perspective, Pakistan has done no wrong. Yet, it is one's past and pride thereof that prepares one for the future.
Pakistan has disowned it's past, is uneasy about it's present and unsure of it's future. That's not a very happy place to be in.
Indian civilization originated in Indus river valley of Mahenzadaro and Harappa in modern day Pakistan. At various points in the history of our subcontinent modern day Pakistan has been Buddist, Hindu and eventually Islamic. The subcontinent had been invaded by greeks under Alexander, turkic tribes (fleeing Genghis Khan's mangolain army), Mongolians under Taimur Lang, by Afgans and other central asian tribes. Islam came into modern day Pakistan (india's western provinces) with the invasion by the central asian tribes of turkic mongol origin, and Persians. The turkic mongol origin invasions, and afgan tribes bought Islam to the subcontinent. So the modern day Pakistani's do not belong to any particular ethnic group, but rather they're the descendents of all the invading forces and ancient natives who are the descendents of the Indus valley civilization. This geo ethnic map extends all the way from Pakistan to the north western fertile plains of the great Indo Gangetic region of North India. So Pakistani's looking for their identity is natural amd it's a lost cause. They are NOT definitely Arabic, and Turkic. Their identity is with the Hindu civilization of North India, from which their ancestors have converted to Islam. Modern Pakistan is created for Muslims of the subcontinent by the IUML (Indian Union Muslim League). It's president Jinnah himself was born into a Hindu Family by name Poonja. Pakistani's should not be under the delusion that they are descendents of Arabs and Turks (Turkey people), its foolish to think of such comparison.
No religion can unite people going beyond their race culture and language
One of the often repeated mistaken assumption in world history is, thinking that religion is binding factor for humans. It’s not. In Sri Lanka when Sinhalese language was made national language, Tamil speaking population fought against it. A Tamil MP asked a question National Assembly -“Do you want two language, one nation or one language two nation”. It was for very this reason in India, we don’t have one single language as national language. We have 22 scheduled languages, because founding fathers of India knew how much emotional people are about their mother tongue. As Hindu Kannadiga from South India, I can connect better with a Kannada speaking Christian/Muslim than with a Hindi speaking Hindu. Religion is overrated!!
Mind you, don't think that Indians are divided linguistically. Nothing from the farther from truth.
Two languages ie Sanskrit and Proto Dravidian should be made the national languages of India.
Sir good evening which book you recommend for phy course is it in eBook. I am from india
India mein physicists aur books nahi bache ab? Saari padh li?
@@brachisaurous : Haha....
@@brachisaurous Chutiyo ki kami thodi hai India mai😁
Concept of Physics, H C Verma
beautiful.... both of you thanks
Whether your parents are special or not , you don’t disown them.
Pervez Hoodbhoy explains so well! Would love to be a student again if he is the teacher
What a great intense discussion. Absolutely loved it.
very much impressed with prof. Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy but worried about extremism in my country which keeps on increasing day by day and ruining our country...
Most important discussion.
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Bangladesh take same path like Pakistan
I am happy to see Pakistanis do not say they were Indians. Indians ki reputation bach gaye.
No, they lie. When they talk to white or open restaurant in Uk Us. They use indian identity
What for Mughal came to India?
People migrate to rich place.
As if babur wouldn't come ever if weren't invited. He was just looking for an oppurtunity, sooner or later he would have migrated.
@Socrates55 If Babar was comfortable then why he accepted the invitation?
It was rich Indian heritage that attracted invaders.
@Socrates55 Yes it is a popular narrative. Can you give me primary sources for this.
Even if we assumed this narrative to be correct, Babur wouldn't come on invitation if he was not interested.
One important factor was he was anyways pushed out from the his land due to power struggles.
There have been studies on economic history which show India held major percent of world GDP before Mongols came.
To f*** bharat mata 💪
@@mypakistan9615 Congratulations on your great culture, you are the best of humanity.
No wonder people are against him....he speaks the truth
Do Bhai...
India= Mukesh Ambani
Pakistan=Anil Ambani
😂😁😁😂😉😉
Sir, I am a huge fan of yours. Your ideas are what Pakistan needs. I hope there is a generation that follows the likes of you and Sir Syed, Not just Iqbal
Why not iqbal
@@hassanaqeel9485 I have not written it someone else has written this comment I think
What is this not just Iqbal plz thought before say anything if you don't now about Iqbal then don't talk ok
Don't say rubbish word without thinking ok sorry if you mind or I am stubborn for you but plz think before say something.
Interviewer: Doctor saab kese hain app?
Pervez bhai: thank you shukurya. 😎
What a personality. To the point and focused. Salute to you sir 🙏✌️
As long as there is religion, especially Islam there can be no peace on earth
Read "Pakistan or the Partition of India " by Dr. B R Ambedkar.
Thank you Dr. for you insights. Do you think we will ever be able to celebrate the difference?
Naz, I would love to see what Dr. Hoodbhoy has to say about accepting differences. But as a Pakistani, I feel to progress; we need to embrace our differences. I read this somewhere, and I think that's true for Pakistan
چمن میں اختلاط رنگ و بو سے بات بنتی ہے
ہم ہی ہم ہیں تو کیا ہم ہیں تم ہی تم ہو تو کیا تم ہو
All these different ethnicities, cultures, and religions make Pakistan not the other way around!
I like interviewing person. He is very enlighten person so is Pervez Hoodbhoy.
Pakistan needs many more people like these two.
That’s my brother!
@@hirafaisal5237 for real?
Pakistan should have plenty of people like him. Hats off to him.
This is one of the most balanced assessment on Pakistan by a Pakistani analyst! Gr8 job Mr.Hoodbhoy
Jinnah knew full well that he will not live long enough to see the fate of his creation! It was also a sucker punch in the face of his Hindu family that excommunicated his grandfather for fishing, so much so that the grandson undertook fishing in the troubled water.
Nice sir .. mujhe acha lga kisi pakistani ko 1st time itni achi baat krte dekha h .. Pakistan ko ap jaise logo ki jarurt h
Tag tv dekho.
@@NavinKumar-up3bj vo Canada based channel h tahir gora chalte h i know
Pakistan Deserves Salam and Hoodbhoy but Pakistanis doesn't deserve them.
This conversation is just mind-blowing. A lot to learn from and one of the best interview i have ever watch on TH-cam.
Actually i just wanted to know what exactly the identification of a Pakistan why there is too much confusion in the Pakistani Culture.
Then just saw this masterpiece.
Thank you so much for awareness.
What did you learn ? What is pakistani culture ?
great to see doctor Pervez Hoodbhoy opened an youtube channel. Its been great to listen to you.
nice sir
Is he atheist?
@@GoldenSparrow66 no he believe on humanity sir
Oh gosh! Thank God for such voices in Pakistan! I hope they don't get silenced, they are asking some fundamental questions!
I am very impressed with the rationality and critical thinking of dr. Pervez hoodbhouy. I take inspiration from him to seek the truth without biasness and speak the reality.
LITERALLY LOVED IT SIR !!! I wish I could meet you in person. I so want to discuss certain things with you. I’m glad you created a channel for yourself.
Many people criticise you because you talk about other things too other than science or physics. But I know in Pakistan it is useless to talk about science before opening people’s minds. And this channel will serve the purpose Inshallah. First things first. 🙂
The great man in Pakistan
It's made my weekend.... Pakistan has to be recognised that their ancestors were Hindus not for all ... But more than 80%
Our ancestors came from land were Hinduism was the faith of the land. But religion has ZERO correlation to your DNA.
As a Bengali, I can hardly distinguish between a North Indian Hindu and a North Indian Muslim. I guess the same goes for a North Indian or a Pakistani when he meets a Bengali Muslim and a Bengali Hindu. In the Indian subcontinent genetic heritage is strongly determined by geographic location rather than religion. Towards the North, the heritage is characterized by Ancestral North Indian, and towards the South it is Ancestral South Indian. And in borderline places like Bengal etc, it is more of a mixture. Broadly speaking.
*So what?? Yeah ethnically speaking, Ethnicity of Pakistanis is Indo Aryan, they're not 100% Arabs, Turks, Persians etc, why is that a big deal, basically, all they want is that all Muslims of subcontinent become Hindu again, and they talk about these things that look you're genetically and ethnically indian, yeah so what??*
@@shariqsalman92 I think pakistani people, at least a minority have a huge identity crisis and that's what is being discussed in parts of this video. For instance, naming your country's missiles Ghaznavi after a Turko Persian. And I'm a Muslim btw.
@@computertipsandtrick *How can you bash all Pakistanis when only a few people who idealise Ertugrul or other Muslim rulers and associate them with those rulers, maybe they do that because of a commonality between them i.e., religion, as far as race is concerned there are so many different races residing inside Pakistan*
@@computertipsandtrick *Naming of missiles on muslim rulers is because state religion of Pakistan is Islam, so what else are you expecting?*
@@shariqsalman92 There are many Muslims in India , Bangladesh, Srilanka and even around the globe perhaps who have loved Ertugal series and series like Suleiman the Magnificent, however, loving or liking or idolising something is different than falsely believing and claiming someone else's heritage.
And naming Ghaznavi is fine but let me ask you, is there any other Muslim state or country or Turks or Persians or Arabs that have named it's ammunition or city or anything after a Pakistani King? (if there is any) Or person? I'm sorry if this sounds harsh. I'm a Muslim too. NASA has named a telescope after a noble prize winner Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar who was born in Lahore, a Lahori born in Pakistan.
It makes one wonder on the obliviousness of "few" pakistani people who themselves were Hindus and trying to act more Muslims than the conquerors (foreign Muslims) themselves, with names & surnames such as Fayaz Chauhan, Bajwa, Butt, Cheema, Rana, Rajput, ..I believe in the subcontinent, Pakistani Muslims have the strongest Hindu DNA and I am saying this as a Muslim.
Not all Pakistanis think the same and most are sensible people.
Pervez sir, how can you live there without suffocation?
why not you should call him to your country he can live in your house and can inhale delhi smoke free air and learn about the freedom and equality from RSS and BJP lol
@@awannnn9858 chl be converted 🐷
@@awannnn9858 why not ? At least he can live here just like 72 firkas of muslims are living and practicing thier religion, offering namaz, readiang qur*n etc. Not like pakistan where ahmadiyas are jailed just for saying assala valekum.
I think Pervez Hoodbhoy stays in USA. He is nuclear scientist and had a career in MIT USA
@@dilipmundhada5875 presently he is in Pakistan.
Sir Please make lecture series on different branches of physics on your channel
Everybody know intellectual capacity of Pervez Sir but I think Nawfal Saleemi too seems to be a thinker and good observer.
Very good discussion. Keep it up!
sir u are great..
Talwar se salwar pahane wale
Awesome analysis, Sir.🙏
Pakistan was born based on confusion. The irony truly is that the whole notion of a country for Muslims of South Asia got defeated due to creation of Pakistan. What would have been 40-50% of population got divided in 3 countries. Muslims would have been better off with undivided secular India. Post its creation, Pakistan has only been a jagir of their Punjabi Muslim army. It's funny they even borrowed a language born in UP India, Urdu, as national language. And enforced it on everyone. Bangladesh happened because language is a stronger bond than religion. It's an irony that even the political elite of Punjabi Muslims of Pakistan don't speak, teach, write or publish Punjabi, their own language as much as Urdu. Pakistanis are confused on their identity as well. They took birth as 'non-India' and for decades have been trying to claim an identity of Irani, Pathani, Saudi, Turki. These days Han Chinese.
Love form dhaka,Bangladesh.
I love Bengali people, and I can not tell you how much pain I feel about the way Pakistan Army and some Pakistanis in general treated you. I always pray for you guys and hope one day we become one! Of course, I support Pakistan, but if Pakistan is not playing, I always support Bangladesh. Long Live Pakistan 🇵🇰 Long Live Bangladesh 🇧🇩
@@neutralstandpoint thanks a lot..we love you too..😊💚
Chute kalia bongali logon...
Wish the interview could be in English.
@Indian Atheist And that is the reason large nos.of Pakisthani ,Bangladeshi and some nos.of Indian muslims suffer from identity crisis.
So much so that they have rejected ttheir ethenic names.😄😄😄
Good work good work. This is the brightway. Keep it. Result will come. take more time but it is good .
Chandrashekhar was an Indian. How can Pakistan even have any claim on his achievements? He was born in 1910 in Undivided India, when Pakistan didn't even exist!
This was an enlightening video clip. Whatever Prof. Pervez Hoodbhoy said also has a lot of lessons in India. That we in India should never make religion the basis of nationalism. Religious nationalism is a poisonous mix which can undo the nation. Modern and democratic nation states are home to several religious groups.
The way forward for humanity is to build nation states based on rule of law and civil liberties protected by an independent and secular jurisprudence and not based on any religious laws.
My deep appreciation for Prof. Pervez Hoodbhoy and also the anchor who asked very relevant questions.
But isnt it changing now under BJP?
27:07 hubbal watan. Is that the same hubbal whose idols were destroyed by prophet??
Kon hai Pakistani ? Pakistani wo hai jo apne bhaiyon se nafrat karte hain . Vo bhai jinse Pakistaniyon ka khoon ka rishta hai , jiski zabaan Pakistaniyon se milti hai sirf isliye kyunki vo dusre dharm ko mante hai. Par Pakistani unko apna bhai maante hai jinka culture , language , history , kuch bhi Pakistaniyon se nhi milti . Haan sirf ek chiz milti hai ki dono musalman hain 🙂. Gazab haal hai par kr bhi kya sakte hain.
Very good quality discussion useful for human rights and growth for every Pakistani youngsters thank you for both of you, we are waiting for another thoughtful discussion.
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Great anchoring. Well calm & compose. Great debate 👍
Great Sir
Pakistan is the best example when personal choices like religion become social
Hi
can you please an english translation?
I m so happy to have watched this video. Pervaz sahab has such clarity about Identity and Nationhood. I wish everyone should watch this and learn from him.
Then Recommend them to RSS/BJP PEOPLE......