Spot on. I believe the exact same thing. I had to move away from Pan’s channel once I heard he was coming out with his own line. Nothing against Pan or his products. I may try them at some point, but I will only trust reviews from channels that don’t seem compromised. There are a lot of channels that seem more like infomercials these days.
For some people this is a business and their sole income. I understand monetizing where ever possible in those circumstances, but there is a right and wrong way to go about that, and honestly is always on the right side.
What are you really serious it's that abit hypocritical not watching his channel or unsubscribing put still buying his products he's already said he will still be reviewing other companies products surely you can still trust what he says as he's built his TH-cam reputation on viewers trusting his judgement of-course he's going to back his own products but not at the expense of rubbishing other products at the same time
@@nickevans3190 Pan is a solid dude. Brian is a solid dude. Yvan is a solid dude. I don’t watch their channels, but I might use there products at some point.
@@mikez6683 I would still be buying their products for sure. For example, if Paaaan the Organiser's wheel cleaner beats the (in my opinion) Brake Buster benchmark then it will be my all-new go-to for detailing alloys.
I agree. The problem I had was that Pan said he wasn’t biased. Of course he is, he designed the product. It is impossible that he wouldn’t be. Also, comparing his products with other companies products. I think that is crossing the line. Just my opinion.
Thanks for posting this! This is the best realistic review of Pan's new product. Appreciate your honest feedback and showing common readily available products like TW and Griots. Used to go down a rabbit hole on detailing products but you come to realize off the shelf products are already so good and it's a diminishing return. There are just simply too many good products out there nowadays and that it's no longer revolutionary.
Finally someone that has nothing to gain or lose by giving a real world review. Thank you! In the future, I would love to see you do a TH-camr product review of the top detailers from TH-cam that have their own branded products. DIY, clean, Blue Collar, Detailco.
"Bias" is the common thread, finally someone who strikes the right chord. Pan's products are not bad, and not the best !, Pan's just makes controversial choices in an annoying way....... Top video !
The first review I've seen on Pan's products that I've any faith in . Other channel seem to have a far too cosy relationship with the Salesman. Well done.
It’s not a bad product - actually got on with it rather well in this test, it’s just a bit steeper in price on the shelf compared to megs products which I typically prefer. Still a good product though, wish there was less marketing wank on the bottle.
Griot`s 3in1 is in so many comparisons playing the role of average/good traditional sealant as a reference standard and it`s always winning 😄 Pity it does not exist in my country
You're closing is exactly what's wrong with this brand. It's not that the products aren't good, it's his whole approach to it and how he's been going about marketing it. He's pissing alot of people off But God review, I'm a big fan of graphene flex wax. Probably one of my favorites to apply and use
Thanks very much for an honest review!! I'm sure there are other honest reviews, but the "conflict of interest" issue frequently needs to be considered. I have no problem with folks like DIY Detail and EC Details (Eddie Colon) having their own product lines and also a TH-cam channel. Neither channel claims their products are the #1 best, like Pan does. DIY Detail shows you how to detail different parts of the car and provides lots of great tips. Although they use their own products, they don't push their products like Pan's infomercials.. It was quite a while before I realized EC Details even had their own product line. Eddie reviews a wide variety of products, some of which they sell on their House of Rags website, but if something sucks, I have confidence Eddie would say so. Keep up the good work as I am now a happy subscriber to your channel.
Groits 3 in one is on most of my clients vehicles for a reason. its cheap. its easy to apply and it just lasts. no need for expensive hyped up new products when there's tried and trusted ones available at a bargain. great review
Good job. Pan was the first detailing channel I watched when I got into detailing my personal cars (I have between 5-8 cars on hand depending on the moon phase) 5 years ago, after watching other channels like the Forensic Detailing channel I started to get suspicious of what I was seeing on Pan's channel. After the drama of what I call the "Great TH-camr Flame War" a couple of years ago when certain revelations about Pan's business practices came to light I stopped watching him. But good on you for doing an unbiased and what seems to be uninfluenced test of new products, regardless of the origin story. As a fellow Canadian, I appreciate honesty and integrity wherever I may find it.
@@nickevans3190 You're joking right? Pan was exposed for sending unsolicited emails to companies selling positive product reviews on his channel. As in "pay me this much money and I will give a positive review XX minutes long" (more money equalled more time). At no point did he mention actually testing the product. In short he was selling advertising but not telling his viewers that.
THE ONLY HONEST REAL REVIEW! Yes this is the only honest real review thus far. By having no affiliation nor affiliate links you took away everyone’s power and excuses, great job man! I found it funny how people put “honest and thorough” review yet they are totally biased and either friends with Mr advertiser or I would see them defending him on the chats of other videos, interesting how they can shamelessly say the are “honest” while the entire video they are trying so hard to cover the reality and shift the narrative from the truth. The products are good like most other product lines, not even above average in multiple areas and definitely far from “best” Even in his thumbnails the guy went from “the very best in the world” to “amazing soap/rinseless” Pointing out the facts DOES NOT MAKE YOU A HATER, and it doesn’t mean you’re jealous. Truth doesn’t care about your feelings. Not tolerating lies doesn’t make you a hater, jealous or troll. People who are not paid by Mr Advertiser fight tooth and nail to cover up the unavoidable, if they are willing to do that for FREE I can’t imagine what they would do for a few dollars. Talking about having no integrity or being compromised. Before some try to say just stop watching him, don’t worry we did. And there are plenty of better lines of products and channels, we just don’t tolerate lies being perpetrated as truth.
I'm not a Pan apologist or a Pan hater, so how this whole thing has played out has been entertaining/annoying watching everyone either completely lose their crap or reveal themselves to be unquestioning fanboys. What has been the most interesting to me is how people seem to be convinced that Pan ever had a "review" channel. I've been watching him for years, though never religiously, I usually just clicked when I saw a product or process I was interested in. To me his channel has always been a showcase channel. He kept things positive, and only showed products he personally liked or was being paid to show. Pan's channel has always been biased since day one, but I don't think he ever tried to hide his bias or come across as objective detailing truth. Experiences with detailing products are extremely subjective, people get influenced very easily and tend to be very tribal in nature. Either they like or hate the company that makes/sells it and that determines 90% of how they feel about it. For me it comes down to caveat emptor. I always assume I'm being marketed to and I take every claim with a grain of salt. I only buy a product that I'm willing to toss in the trash if it doesn't measure up in my usage. This is one reason why I've been a fan of The Rag Company over the years. Yes, they are selling to me too, but I at least have some confidence that they've put in the work on the back end to only carry products that meet their high standards. A perfect example is some of the new OPT products that Dr. G released last year at SEMA. OPT has been a huge part of TRC since they got into selling detailing chemicals. They opted to not carry some of those new products because they didn't meet their standards. As for Pan, I don't give a crap that he gave his products the top spot in his product "awards" (something I've never watched before). I think he probably would have been better off mentioning them in each category they compete in, and talking about the characteristics he designated for them to have...but then holding them off to the side and giving his top picks besides the ones he put his name on. That would have come across better to the people who thought they were getting honest and unbiased reviews. I'm a rinseless fanatic and a big fan of spray polishes, so I did pick up both of those products. Are they "the best?" No, because there is no such thing. There are attributes I like for certain situations. They are both definitely unique formulations and not relabeled DIY Detail products as some have alleged. I need more time with the spray polish, but it seems to cut and wipe off a little better than DIY Detail does. Both of them outperform OPT Hyper Polish (at least the older version I have). The rinseless is really nice, and I find myself reaching for it a lot. It is slick, cleans well, smells good, and leaves some non-durable polymers for that quick detailer-like feel...but it isn't stacking protection on my coating. I don't think I have much interest in the rest of the line. I don't really use spray sealants anymore (they have their place but not on my vehicles), and I would only grab the panel prep if I was using his coatings, which I'll leave for others to try. pH neutral soaps are boring to me, and I'm not really a fan of solvent tire dressings.
I think you’re perspective and outlook is the only outlook to have when it comes you TH-cam detailing and just marketing in general. Always assume there is a pitch in there even if it’s not obvious, and take what you see with a grain of salt - my channel included. The awards show was just too on the nose for even a lot of die hard supporters, and that’s what sparked the big push back. Some people finally had the rose coloured glasses taken off and they didn’t like the view anymore. I always knew what was going on, and if I was interested in the product I’d usually check it out and a few others. Overall one glowing review isn’t enough for me to grab it for a video, it needs to have something defining to contrast against somewhere else in the category…. Or I just really want to try it.
@@sheepstardetail I'm new to your channel, but I like what I've seen so far. The jump cuts, throwing things at the panel and using your head were very entertaining...and I appreciate your non-BS explanations and blind presentation approach. Keep it up!
@@sheepstardetail I would like to add too that the one thing I really dislike about TH-cam (and social media) detailing is the FUD that gets spread about products and brands. I have the impression (though no facts) that Eddie Colon and JTC have been big purveyors of this over the last year as they have been working on their business behind the scenes. They've been fluffing up the brands that they are now carrying while spreading misinformation and bias against the competition. One glaring example that I saw was the NGNT Diamond ProTech coatings that use "nano-diamond" and "carbon nanotube" technology. Are those technologies the real deal when it comes to automotive coatings? Maybe...maybe not. I don't know and I really don't care one way or the other. But there are some obvious business connections between DIY/C6 (who sell "detonated nano-diamond" coatings and Eddie/THOR/Detail Co (whose Thick ceramic coating includes carbon nanotubes per the SDS). There has been very little info provided so far on the Detail Co coatings and they have yet to mention the "carbon nanotubes" outside of the SDS, but were they lying when they claimed in a live podcast that the DPT products suck or turn yellow? If they were in the early stages of developing their own products and planning their business (with investor money) it isn't that big of a leap to see that they might want to try to knock down a competitor in the court of public opinion. Could that same investor be involved behind the scenes with DIY/C6? Maybe even PTO? I'm not into conspiracies, but if I were to believe Jamie/Eddie on DPT coatings, I might be led to think that The Rag Company sucks and is lying to people about DPT coatings when they are marketing them as the "next best thing" in coatings. I'm just enough of a contrarian that I installed DPT Diamond Body 36 on my own car one year ago (at the apex of the criticism surrounding DPT products) to see which side was right. I have subjected it to dirt roads and salty winter roads in MN, road trips through heavy rains and tons of bugs that have been left on to bake for days in high temps. Is it an impenetrable force field? Nope. I know I have my own biases, but I've been extremely happy with my DB36 coating so far. It was easy to install, looks great, performs great and has lived up to the marketing thus far. It has been maintained mainly with standard rinseless washes but has seen the full pH scale from KCx Reactivation Shampoo (which JTC claimed would kill it) and DIY water spot remover, to alkaline/citrus prewashes like BH Auto-Foam and Touch-Less, Stjarnagloss Forst, Optimum Power Clean and KCx Active Foam and MSN. It is still performing like day one as I have not used any sealants, toppers or drying aids. I only dry with non-protective rinseless washes. Time will tell how it performs in the latter half of its design life, but so far it looks good. It also hasn't yellowed (my car is white) and the control area I have on the roof with CSL/EXO performs/looks the same.
@@jeffc6832 wow, that’s interesting. Good on you for doing your own homework. I had no idea how far things were going beyond the occasional video, and I didn’t know much about EC/JTC until the cerakote coating controversy came out. I’m watching my Cerakote V1 section on my hood very closely right now as it’s almost at 3 months and I haven’t seen a drop off yet.
@@sheepstardetail I may be way off base, but the timing of everything (per their own words) makes it all very suspect in my eyes. Jamie even let it slip in the Detail Solutions Podcast that Pan got their Detail Co line direct from the chemist/blender for his product awards. It's been "fixed" now, but I got an early promo email from THOR that listed the same Omaha physical address that used to be associated with DIY Detail, and they use the same 3PL warehouse. Combine that with the closeness of Pan/Yvan/Eddie and DIY Detail's own explanation of their origins (a group of investors that wanted to develop a detailing line, brought on Yvan and then Yvan/Nick became part owners). BTW this isn't a knock on the products or people at all. Business is business. I think DIY Detail, Clean by Pan and Detail Co. do in fact have unique formulations that are at least partially owned by them and created with their input, but there are at least some connections behind the scenes with chemists/blenders/investors/SEO/logistics etc. It doesn't seem to be a big stretch to imagine that they would want to create a diversified full line of products from low to mid price (Detail Co/DIY Detail) to prosumer (PTO and C6 Hydro Lite) and high end pro only (C6) with some TH-camrs as the faces of the different levels. Bringing in lesser known brands from other countries could be a way to diversify more as well. That's my 2 cents, but I'm just a guy in my garage cleaning my own cars and a few of my friends/neighbors while trying to escape the stress of my real job.
Thank you for doing this. 1)'I've been sent this stuff for free, but as ever you'll be getting my unbiased review and opinion of these products.' Biggest lie on YT. 2)once you move from reviewer into retail, you lose the credibility to conduct reviews on other products. Jimbo, Apex, Eddie, Jamie, Pan. I have nothing against them, but they're now no different to infomercials showcasing their own lineups. That's why guys like you are so important! Thank you
@@justlovethisgame3537 well said, I’ve watched the videos with Eddie colon and Jamie the cleaner reviewing pan the organisers products , they are definitely pans puppets , they appear very nervous reviewing his products, with pan regularly interrupting them to further try and enhance his product .
On the hood of my car, I tested DIY Ceramic Gloss vs. Armour Detail Supply Ceramic Sealant vs. CLEAN by Pan Ceramic Spray Sealant in te real world. After 12 days, Ceramic Gloss was performing far better than the other two. YMMV.
Pan producing his own products was a natural progression for his business. I use Ammo NYC as a reference point. Seems like the Clean formulas have been well developed and the product is of high quality
That’s not the point I’m trying to make. He can produce his own products, in any way he wants, but once you become a brand you are no longer an objective reviewer. You can run the competition, or compete, not both.
@ Fair point. It is difficult to maintain an objective opinion and therefore a potential conflict of interest could arise. Maybe it’s time for him to create a 2nd channel?
This channel is one of the 2 channels that i think it is honest about product reviews. The other one is Brian from Apex Detail, despite having his own line of products, he is still honest about everything he says. We need more channels like this. Hello from Turkiye sir.
One of my biggest struggles in life is accepting how some folks are so susceptible to marketing. Some people bought this stuff as soon as they saw it being pushed, not stopping even for a second to wonder, "How can a TH-camr with zero background in chemistry make products that compete with billion dollar organizations"?
I agree. I too try to be wary of all the marketing nowadays. However if I recall in some of his earlier videos, Pan does have a background in chemistry or something in science.
If you have the money you don't need the education you can hire those that have it an help you create what you want. If you know all the properties that you desire they can tailor to it. There are lots of different blender companies that will do so. Others besides him have even done so.
Thanks for rhe review i was gonna buy a bottle of his spray sealant to try out but if its not beating the legendary 3 in 1 theirs no point. I appreciate the honest review.
Hey everyone, this is not a sponsor video. No one sent me anything. i buy these with my own money, lol the link is in the discretion below to check out some of the best products. Guy's you know i tested some of the best products 🤔 how about avalon King ? How about? How about cerakote, yes right lol guys you know the name 😉
I liked Pans channel just based off of how many products he’s put on film. Just starting into the detailing world it’s overwhelming. I was recalling looking forward to his best products of 2024 video to come out to compare with previous years and get better products to fit my situation. The moment I saw his product lineup video I couldn’t believe it. I agree with you, in the terms that once he came out with a product lineup he needed to step away from the product review portion.
Thx for the video mate. So many new channels popping up and using all these new products. Some seem that they are surfing on the wave of hype and drama.
😅@@sheepstardetailabsolutely. Also, you need a bench seat to avoid that issue in the first few seconds lol. Also, not just sucking up, but an easy way at getting cheap views and subs. Not a stupud move but can see right through it.
Hey have you tried using a flairosol bottle to apply the gyeon wet coat essence? It may help apply it more evenly in the spray and rinse method. Because of your video on essence and dilution ratios, I'm not getting the regular stuff and going straight to dilution.
I have not. Haven’t used it in a while and went I went to check on it, it gelled up. Might try mixing it and checking if it comes back, but not sure at this point. I have all those other spray on rinse off products to use up too before I re-buy.
Interesting video. I'm kind of glad I'm holding out on pans stuff for awhile to see reviews 6 months, a yr down the road . There are 2 main things, in my opinion, that detailers think about the most . No , it's not happy customers. They 99% of the time are going to be happy . Detailers see much more than a average customer ever will . It's cost , aka overhead, and speed . With that in mind the clean lineup is a little pricey compared to other products in the flooded detailing world . Just my opinion. Ty
The griots and turtle wax are very good products at great pricing levels. I think pan kind of hurt himself by saying all of his products are the best. If he just talked about his products people would still buy them. He’s got a large following and he’s going to get sales no matter what.
I see a lot of you tube detailers dont test out Griots products and it makes no sense to me when some of their products are solid for the price. That exact ceramic spray I have and use and lasts months on my vehicle where you can still see the hydrophobic properties. I also live right on the water so salt air mixed in with my daily driving.
Yeah it has a good reputation. Everyone has specific conditions to their environments and it may not work for everyone, but so far I’m impressed with it.
@@Andresthebigkat I don’t have really any thing negative to say about the product. Once some time passes on the real world test I’ll have more conclusive thoughts.
I would never buy a PTO product. He’s awful. All the lies about how these products are supposed to be superior, but in reality, they’re garbage. For example, he raved about the Eagle One wheel cleaner, but it was complete trash. When I asked for a refund because I trusted his review and bought the product, he basically gave me the middle finger, just like he did in one of the comments. He’s not a reviewer-he’s a marketer and a liar.
You hit the nail right in the head there my friend. I stopped watching PTO after he got exposed for selling positive reviews on his channel. He has no integrity.
His Rinse-Less and Shampoo really are good quality products, but for me they are only top 5 products, not a number 1. His panel prep spray is also far better than a bunch of others I have used, but can't say it is the best. The 8 year coating is indeed really nice. The instructions say 1-2 minute flash times, but I got 5 minutes out of it in ideal conditions. It is very forgiving to apply.
Great video, love the comedic bits too. I stopped watching Pan a few years ago when it became clear that he was getting endorsements from sponsors. So needless to say, I have no desire to try his products.
Thanks! I figured a video with a fairly serious message should have some humour thrown in to balance it out, even if it was at my expense (or my hood).
Great video! As for the first time in front of a camera you are looking pretty confident 👍 Lol, I was afraid that DA polisher will be next to land on the hood 😄😄 Honestly I was surprised with the results, I did not expect Nu finish to disappear so fast, and did not expect Griot's to be so durable. I believe now Griot's ceramic spray is the best in the world, period? 😄
So I’m looking to get started into car detailing as a side gig and have been watching Pan for a little bit trying to find out what products I should start out with and then eventually upgrade to. It seems there is sooooo much to choose from and it can get a little overwhelming. I’ve seen tons of videos on P&S on how good they are and they seem very well priced compared to ones like Koch Chemie and CarPro etc. I’m just not sure if it’s really worth spending the money on larger name brands or find a brand like P&S or Adam’s or something like that and stick with them
The technology has progressed so far in the past few years that the top products have almost no difference between them. To many owners want some kind of instant simple way to get superb gloss and protection without any work. The best cure for higher gloss is to do a paint enhancement on your car even if it’s brand new you can’t coat a finish with swirls and hairline scratches from some kid at the dealers lot who was told to prep your new car. If you have a good finish any of the top products will do the job of giving you protection and enhancing gloss. Pan can say his products are the best in the world but time will show whether that’s true or not. What I’ve seen is that products that were the best in the world as little as two years ago are not even talked about online anymore because many of the newer products are just that much better. Any polish or sealant is a compromise between gloss durability and hydrosvopic properties. If you improve one quality it’s usually at the expense of the others.
This is the first video that I have appeared in, and with that type of humour. To be totally honest I copied that style from a channel I follow called Hand Tool Rescue. I find it funny as it’s such a contrast to how seriously people take detailing.
This is an interesting perspective. Keep in mind people have dreams and they are allowed to be entrepreneurs. You can say it started with his TH-cam, and now developed to this. Either way he should not be at fault for doing it. With all his experience his products will be good and some great. Outside of that .... There are brands for everyone. I just don't see the reason to be negative 🤷🏻♂️
This. Once a reviewer sells their own brand of products, they need to call it quits on reviewing other brands. Seems crazy that this is not common sense for some TH-camrs. They transitioned into a different business. I unsubbed from them all and will not buy their products.
I'd also like to add (and I realize that I'm painting with a very large brush) - that one of the big problems I have with a lot of the newer ceramic sprays is their lack of filling and darkening (you call it jetting, which I've never heard but I'm glad that there's a term). The chemical resistance wars are, in technical terms, "majorly stupid". Sure, it correlates with real world durability to some degree, but it is not the whole picture of what a good sealant should do. They're supposed to make the car look good and protect it to some degree with hydrophobicity and slickness (and some of the more durable coatings lack in slickness). Keeping in mind how thin modern paint is, and who the actual buying public is at big box stores (who don't polish their cars) - filling and darkening are going to make a huge difference in how your car actually looks. People crap on Meguiar's blue hybrid ceramic spray wax because it doesn't last 6 months, but if you actually use it - it looks amazing. Better than Griot's 3-in-1 in my opinion, and it has insane hydrophobics. I get 2-3 months in the real world parking outside. I can easily keep it topped off for longer with a good drying aid. Spraying it on ~4 times a year is something I can handle. The super long durability claims can also lull people into thinking that it's some magic shield that protects the car from everything - etching, keeping contaminants off, etc. You still have to clean the car often.
Good video. I have some Pan products coming, but I’m sure I will fall back on hybrid solutions turtle wax stuff bc it works, can go just down the road and buy it, and it is cheaper than all the exotic brands TH-cam channel advertisements. But yeah, I wanted to play around with a few of his products
Nothing wrong with that, and based on my experience, I’m sure they will all be decent. Not the best value though but I guess he stated that from the start.
Great Video! Love the aggressive throwing 🤣 Yeah always been a fan of Pan's but definitely viewing his newer videos differently now and taking his recommendations with a grain of salt. I keep seeing that Griot's 3-1 is killer, definitely getting some once I finish up my Cerakote sealant bottle.
I agree with everything you have said about conflict of interests. Whilst I’m sure Clean products are good, I don’t believe they can enter a super competitive market and make the best of everything.
I'm with you. Pan talked up these products like they are absolutely THE BEST or he would not release them and that's why everyone got so excited. Come to find out that they are good products, but NOT the absolute best. Since then i have not been watching as much of his videos. I do like the ease of use of his products though, for example when i do a ceramic coat, i am highly leaning towards PANs 8 year coat. his coating seems to be VERY forgiving.
Yeah the statement of the “best” when what is best is highly subjective and environmental is a bold move. I don’t think this is a bad product by any means, but calling it best, even with the qualifiers of “to me” is still a bit much.
Great unbiased video! Just got some pan products a few days ago... The Canadian struggle of waiting is real lol. Like you, I also chose to skip the coatings because imo, his credibility is gone because of the whole cerakote debacle, all while knowing he had his own line coming.
Bough a new car in Jan 24 so I started visiting detailing channels. Went thru a number of products but mostly just wasted money and got confused. Bought the Clean Ceramic spray and its good but so are some other products. I have gotten to the point where I am not watching much of car detailing, because too many products, no real agreement on products, and the old days of washing waxing your car and enjoying your weekend, have gone to people with complicated series of chemicals and panel prep and decon procedures . Better off just reading the reviews on Amazon and picking 1 or 2 products. Am going to find another past time. Screw detailing.
I would just turn off TH-cam and use what you found that works. Regain that joy you had cleaning your car, and buy products that you feel compelled to only by yourself.
Appreciate the objective, tongue in cheek review, but kind of curious hearing you throw shade at the name "Pan the organizer" when your channel is named "SheepStar" 🤔 lol
It’s my one weakness. For the record I don’t have any issue with pans channel name and didn’t specifically imply that. I actually think it’s a great brand name. Edit: I was confused by your comment, but my quip at the beginning is the double “by”. Ceramic spray BY clean BY PTA. It’s not…. Clean sounding.
@ forensic has one, and I think dmitry’s garage. My take on gloss meters is that while they do “quantify” performance, it only matters if the human eye can detect it. 5 products with 1-2 GU’s between them will not be observable. It’s essentially margin of error. A product winning with less than 5GU is almost a tie.
It is indeed. I still love seeing numbers but most people don’t know that it’s a moot point below a specific threshold. Also, high gloss doesn’t always mean better looking. Product that fill and jet more often appear better to the naked eye versus high gloss. Not always, but usually. Jetting/filling is more noticeable and often preferred.
Hmm... I'm not sure if this was an honest assessment of the Clean Ceramic Spray Sealant from Pan The Organizer or an opportunity to diss him. That said, you took the time to make the video and shared your opinion, which many commenters on here have endorsed.
I would ask what have I hidden? I showed you application including temperature and humidity readings during, blind test panels for both filling and chemical resistance, and also my anecdotal findings based on that footage. Is it a diss-track compared to other videos, or are other videos artificially positive? I also purchased this myself compared to the select rat pack that gets their gifts in the mail.
Hey I just wanted to say that those soft brushes do scratch and it’s a bit off that you call people dumb for saying that. They are numerous videos on YT showing how these brushes scratch. It’s awful when people hand out incorrect advice with authority…
Have yet to see mine scratch. If that changes I’ll be the first to say so. Worth noting is that these brushes used on a dirty surface before a foam and rinse will rub in whatever grit is on the surface. This panel is clean, so no grit to potentially scratch with. Maybe I’ll try to conduct a test with one of my black panels and see if/how scratching can occur.
@@sheepstardetail it’s on a plastic panel - I mentioned the video as proof of concept… I am sure my vw clear coat would laugh at those soft brushes but my wife’s Nissan has soft clear that is very easily damaged. Piano black plastic is common on the exterior and that seems to scratch in the rain….
@@trifin5772 Gotcha. Yeah piano black, especially on the interior, scratches from unlocking the car, let alone cleaning it. Let me ask you this though. Obviously these brushes can be used in a manner that doesn't scratch, and when they do scratch, it's on substrates that will pretty much always scratch, unless the wash media is so gentle that it may in fact struggle to clean it at all. True touchless washing for the most part doesn't really exist, at least not when the vehicle/panel is past a certain point as far as debris levels are concerned. Do you still think that this product is 100% bad when it struggles in these highly sensitive conditions when basically all equivalent products would too? Would a more fair statement be that, they CAN be swirl/scratch free, under most normal conditions, but exercise caution when cleaning very sensitive finishes are at play?
I’ve stayed away from Pan’s video’s for years. They’re just infomercials. In the early days he often just copied ideas for content from other channels, often Forensic Detailing. Pan the Plagiariser was an amusing name I often came across on Forums. The nail in the coffin was when Pan looked at Beadmaker and his way over the top reaction combined with terrible acting ability was ridiculous. Viewers were supposed to believe it was so slick etc that he had to walk away to compose himself! Anyone who has used Beadmaker knows it’s an average product, not bad but not the “game changer” we had forced down our throats. So obviously not an unbiased, honest review. No idea what he’s been up to lately but when I saw he had his own line of products out, I can guess he’s telling the world that they are the best out there. Pan says they are so they must be!
If Pan wanted his own brand, fine. Have the integrity to let others test your products and review them. Start another channel where you compare your brand up against others for all I care ( although this creates a new set of issues that will cause people to think you have lost your integrity ). Once anything besides great products creates a bias, all integrity is lost. From where I personally sit, Pan crossed that line.
Nothing wrong with evolving his channel into a brand, been done many times before. But he wants to keep reviewing products which is a really questionable move when you factor in the glaring conflicts of interest.
Good video. I have some Pan products coming, but I’m sure I will fall back on hybrid solutions turtle wax stuff bc it works, can go just down the road and buy it, and it is cheaper than all the exotic brands TH-cam channel advertisements. But yeah, I wanted to play around with a few of his products
Spot on. I believe the exact same thing. I had to move away from Pan’s channel once I heard he was coming out with his own line. Nothing against Pan or his products. I may try them at some point, but I will only trust reviews from channels that don’t seem compromised. There are a lot of channels that seem more like infomercials these days.
I did the same a few years ago when I used to watch Detail Geek. You can start laughing again now.
For some people this is a business and their sole income. I understand monetizing where ever possible in those circumstances, but there is a right and wrong way to go about that, and honestly is always on the right side.
What are you really serious it's that abit hypocritical not watching his channel or unsubscribing put still buying his products he's already said he will still be reviewing other companies products surely you can still trust what he says as he's built his TH-cam reputation on viewers trusting his judgement of-course he's going to back his own products but not at the expense of rubbishing other products at the same time
@@nickevans3190 Pan is a solid dude. Brian is a solid dude. Yvan is a solid dude. I don’t watch their channels, but I might use there products at some point.
@@mikez6683 I would still be buying their products for sure. For example, if Paaaan the Organiser's wheel cleaner beats the (in my opinion) Brake Buster benchmark then it will be my all-new go-to for detailing alloys.
Came across with honesty and sincerity. We need more channels like this. Most of the reviews I've seen are all linked to a Pan in one way or another.
Or just this one… EVERYONE BOW TO ME NOW….
I mean thanks!
It's like six degrees of kevin bacon. But in some cases it's like one or two
Thanks for using DIY Detail products to prep.
No DIY Detail products were harmed in the making of this video.
@@sheepstardetaillol, the product toss was nice.
Thank you, great video. The one thing that turned me off on Pam’s channel is he cannot take criticism at all.
Duh. He’s Canadian.
I agree. The problem I had was that Pan said he wasn’t biased. Of course he is, he designed the product. It is impossible that he wouldn’t be. Also, comparing his products with other companies products. I think that is crossing the line. Just my opinion.
Thanks for posting this! This is the best realistic review of Pan's new product. Appreciate your honest feedback and showing common readily available products like TW and Griots. Used to go down a rabbit hole on detailing products but you come to realize off the shelf products are already so good and it's a diminishing return. There are just simply too many good products out there nowadays and that it's no longer revolutionary.
This is exactly the video that needed to be made. You're doing a service for the whole culture. Thanks and keep going!
That’s the best video addressing that subject so far!! It’s fair , honest and respectful and you’re 100% right
Been waiting for a true unbiased review, really appreciate this.
Finally someone that has nothing to gain or lose by giving a real world review. Thank you! In the future, I would love to see you do a TH-camr product review of the top detailers from TH-cam that have their own branded products. DIY, clean, Blue Collar, Detailco.
Sounds more like a hit piece haha!
"Bias" is the common thread, finally someone who strikes the right chord. Pan's products are not bad, and not the best !, Pan's just makes controversial choices in an annoying way.......
Top video !
The first review I've seen on Pan's products that I've any faith in . Other channel seem to have a far too cosy relationship with the Salesman. Well done.
Glad to see my beloved Turtle Wax Flex Wax is still relevant and hasn't been eradicated from existence by this new all conquering wonder product.
It’s not a bad product - actually got on with it rather well in this test, it’s just a bit steeper in price on the shelf compared to megs products which I typically prefer. Still a good product though, wish there was less marketing wank on the bottle.
Turtle wax will forever remain
My favorite from them is Pure Shine Detailer
Thanks for this review. Its the first one that I’ve seen of one of Pan’s products that compares against others and isn’t just all hype
Yeah few and far between with comparisons unless it’s the rinseless.
Griot`s 3in1 is in so many comparisons playing the role of average/good traditional sealant as a reference standard and it`s always winning 😄
Pity it does not exist in my country
You're closing is exactly what's wrong with this brand. It's not that the products aren't good, it's his whole approach to it and how he's been going about marketing it.
He's pissing alot of people off
But God review, I'm a big fan of graphene flex wax. Probably one of my favorites to apply and use
Thanks very much for an honest review!! I'm sure there are other honest reviews, but the "conflict of interest" issue frequently needs to be considered. I have no problem with folks like DIY Detail and EC Details (Eddie Colon) having their own product lines and also a TH-cam channel. Neither channel claims their products are the #1 best, like Pan does. DIY Detail shows you how to detail different parts of the car and provides lots of great tips. Although they use their own products, they don't push their products like Pan's infomercials.. It was quite a while before I realized EC Details even had their own product line. Eddie reviews a wide variety of products, some of which they sell on their House of Rags website, but if something sucks, I have confidence Eddie would say so. Keep up the good work as I am now a happy subscriber to your channel.
Groits 3 in one is on most of my clients vehicles for a reason. its cheap. its easy to apply and it just lasts. no need for expensive hyped up new products when there's tried and trusted ones available at a bargain. great review
Good job. Pan was the first detailing channel I watched when I got into detailing my personal cars (I have between 5-8 cars on hand depending on the moon phase) 5 years ago, after watching other channels like the Forensic Detailing channel I started to get suspicious of what I was seeing on Pan's channel. After the drama of what I call the "Great TH-camr Flame War" a couple of years ago when certain revelations about Pan's business practices came to light I stopped watching him.
But good on you for doing an unbiased and what seems to be uninfluenced test of new products, regardless of the origin story. As a fellow Canadian, I appreciate honesty and integrity wherever I may find it.
Thanks man, that means a lot! More coming on this subject.
What issues on pan's business practices he's above and beyond reproach
@@nickevans3190 You're joking right? Pan was exposed for sending unsolicited emails to companies selling positive product reviews on his channel. As in "pay me this much money and I will give a positive review XX minutes long" (more money equalled more time). At no point did he mention actually testing the product. In short he was selling advertising but not telling his viewers that.
Thank you for this!
Thanks. Finally, an honest review!
THE ONLY HONEST REAL REVIEW!
Yes this is the only honest real review thus far.
By having no affiliation nor affiliate links you took away everyone’s power and excuses, great job man!
I found it funny how people put “honest and thorough” review yet they are totally biased and either friends with Mr advertiser or I would see them defending him on the chats of other videos, interesting how they can shamelessly say the are “honest” while the entire video they are trying so hard to cover the reality and shift the narrative from the truth.
The products are good like most other product lines, not even above average in multiple areas and definitely far from “best”
Even in his thumbnails the guy went from “the very best in the world” to “amazing soap/rinseless”
Pointing out the facts DOES NOT MAKE YOU A HATER, and it doesn’t mean you’re jealous. Truth doesn’t care about your feelings.
Not tolerating lies doesn’t make you a hater, jealous or troll. People who are not paid by Mr Advertiser fight tooth and nail to cover up the unavoidable, if they are willing to do that for FREE I can’t imagine what they would do for a few dollars. Talking about having no integrity or being compromised.
Before some try to say just stop watching him, don’t worry we did. And there are plenty of better lines of products and channels, we just don’t tolerate lies being perpetrated as truth.
I'm not a Pan apologist or a Pan hater, so how this whole thing has played out has been entertaining/annoying watching everyone either completely lose their crap or reveal themselves to be unquestioning fanboys.
What has been the most interesting to me is how people seem to be convinced that Pan ever had a "review" channel. I've been watching him for years, though never religiously, I usually just clicked when I saw a product or process I was interested in. To me his channel has always been a showcase channel. He kept things positive, and only showed products he personally liked or was being paid to show. Pan's channel has always been biased since day one, but I don't think he ever tried to hide his bias or come across as objective detailing truth.
Experiences with detailing products are extremely subjective, people get influenced very easily and tend to be very tribal in nature. Either they like or hate the company that makes/sells it and that determines 90% of how they feel about it.
For me it comes down to caveat emptor. I always assume I'm being marketed to and I take every claim with a grain of salt. I only buy a product that I'm willing to toss in the trash if it doesn't measure up in my usage. This is one reason why I've been a fan of The Rag Company over the years. Yes, they are selling to me too, but I at least have some confidence that they've put in the work on the back end to only carry products that meet their high standards. A perfect example is some of the new OPT products that Dr. G released last year at SEMA. OPT has been a huge part of TRC since they got into selling detailing chemicals. They opted to not carry some of those new products because they didn't meet their standards.
As for Pan, I don't give a crap that he gave his products the top spot in his product "awards" (something I've never watched before). I think he probably would have been better off mentioning them in each category they compete in, and talking about the characteristics he designated for them to have...but then holding them off to the side and giving his top picks besides the ones he put his name on. That would have come across better to the people who thought they were getting honest and unbiased reviews.
I'm a rinseless fanatic and a big fan of spray polishes, so I did pick up both of those products. Are they "the best?" No, because there is no such thing. There are attributes I like for certain situations. They are both definitely unique formulations and not relabeled DIY Detail products as some have alleged. I need more time with the spray polish, but it seems to cut and wipe off a little better than DIY Detail does. Both of them outperform OPT Hyper Polish (at least the older version I have). The rinseless is really nice, and I find myself reaching for it a lot. It is slick, cleans well, smells good, and leaves some non-durable polymers for that quick detailer-like feel...but it isn't stacking protection on my coating.
I don't think I have much interest in the rest of the line. I don't really use spray sealants anymore (they have their place but not on my vehicles), and I would only grab the panel prep if I was using his coatings, which I'll leave for others to try. pH neutral soaps are boring to me, and I'm not really a fan of solvent tire dressings.
I think you’re perspective and outlook is the only outlook to have when it comes you TH-cam detailing and just marketing in general. Always assume there is a pitch in there even if it’s not obvious, and take what you see with a grain of salt - my channel included.
The awards show was just too on the nose for even a lot of die hard supporters, and that’s what sparked the big push back. Some people finally had the rose coloured glasses taken off and they didn’t like the view anymore. I always knew what was going on, and if I was interested in the product I’d usually check it out and a few others. Overall one glowing review isn’t enough for me to grab it for a video, it needs to have something defining to contrast against somewhere else in the category…. Or I just really want to try it.
@@sheepstardetail I'm new to your channel, but I like what I've seen so far. The jump cuts, throwing things at the panel and using your head were very entertaining...and I appreciate your non-BS explanations and blind presentation approach. Keep it up!
@@sheepstardetail I would like to add too that the one thing I really dislike about TH-cam (and social media) detailing is the FUD that gets spread about products and brands. I have the impression (though no facts) that Eddie Colon and JTC have been big purveyors of this over the last year as they have been working on their business behind the scenes. They've been fluffing up the brands that they are now carrying while spreading misinformation and bias against the competition.
One glaring example that I saw was the NGNT Diamond ProTech coatings that use "nano-diamond" and "carbon nanotube" technology. Are those technologies the real deal when it comes to automotive coatings? Maybe...maybe not. I don't know and I really don't care one way or the other. But there are some obvious business connections between DIY/C6 (who sell "detonated nano-diamond" coatings and Eddie/THOR/Detail Co (whose Thick ceramic coating includes carbon nanotubes per the SDS). There has been very little info provided so far on the Detail Co coatings and they have yet to mention the "carbon nanotubes" outside of the SDS, but were they lying when they claimed in a live podcast that the DPT products suck or turn yellow? If they were in the early stages of developing their own products and planning their business (with investor money) it isn't that big of a leap to see that they might want to try to knock down a competitor in the court of public opinion. Could that same investor be involved behind the scenes with DIY/C6? Maybe even PTO?
I'm not into conspiracies, but if I were to believe Jamie/Eddie on DPT coatings, I might be led to think that The Rag Company sucks and is lying to people about DPT coatings when they are marketing them as the "next best thing" in coatings.
I'm just enough of a contrarian that I installed DPT Diamond Body 36 on my own car one year ago (at the apex of the criticism surrounding DPT products) to see which side was right. I have subjected it to dirt roads and salty winter roads in MN, road trips through heavy rains and tons of bugs that have been left on to bake for days in high temps. Is it an impenetrable force field? Nope. I know I have my own biases, but I've been extremely happy with my DB36 coating so far. It was easy to install, looks great, performs great and has lived up to the marketing thus far. It has been maintained mainly with standard rinseless washes but has seen the full pH scale from KCx Reactivation Shampoo (which JTC claimed would kill it) and DIY water spot remover, to alkaline/citrus prewashes like BH Auto-Foam and Touch-Less, Stjarnagloss Forst, Optimum Power Clean and KCx Active Foam and MSN. It is still performing like day one as I have not used any sealants, toppers or drying aids. I only dry with non-protective rinseless washes. Time will tell how it performs in the latter half of its design life, but so far it looks good. It also hasn't yellowed (my car is white) and the control area I have on the roof with CSL/EXO performs/looks the same.
@@jeffc6832 wow, that’s interesting. Good on you for doing your own homework. I had no idea how far things were going beyond the occasional video, and I didn’t know much about EC/JTC until the cerakote coating controversy came out. I’m watching my Cerakote V1 section on my hood very closely right now as it’s almost at 3 months and I haven’t seen a drop off yet.
@@sheepstardetail I may be way off base, but the timing of everything (per their own words) makes it all very suspect in my eyes. Jamie even let it slip in the Detail Solutions Podcast that Pan got their Detail Co line direct from the chemist/blender for his product awards. It's been "fixed" now, but I got an early promo email from THOR that listed the same Omaha physical address that used to be associated with DIY Detail, and they use the same 3PL warehouse. Combine that with the closeness of Pan/Yvan/Eddie and DIY Detail's own explanation of their origins (a group of investors that wanted to develop a detailing line, brought on Yvan and then Yvan/Nick became part owners).
BTW this isn't a knock on the products or people at all. Business is business. I think DIY Detail, Clean by Pan and Detail Co. do in fact have unique formulations that are at least partially owned by them and created with their input, but there are at least some connections behind the scenes with chemists/blenders/investors/SEO/logistics etc. It doesn't seem to be a big stretch to imagine that they would want to create a diversified full line of products from low to mid price (Detail Co/DIY Detail) to prosumer (PTO and C6 Hydro Lite) and high end pro only (C6) with some TH-camrs as the faces of the different levels. Bringing in lesser known brands from other countries could be a way to diversify more as well.
That's my 2 cents, but I'm just a guy in my garage cleaning my own cars and a few of my friends/neighbors while trying to escape the stress of my real job.
Thank you for doing this.
1)'I've been sent this stuff for free, but as ever you'll be getting my unbiased review and opinion of these products.'
Biggest lie on YT.
2)once you move from reviewer into retail, you lose the credibility to conduct reviews on other products. Jimbo, Apex, Eddie, Jamie, Pan. I have nothing against them, but they're now no different to infomercials showcasing their own lineups.
That's why guys like you are so important! Thank you
This video needs to be made by Pan…he needs to address it and stop releasing videos like nothing happened.
Great video, all the hype about CLEAN being the best brand on the market, its average no better, I will stick to the griots !
@@justlovethisgame3537 well said, I’ve watched the videos with Eddie colon and Jamie the cleaner reviewing pan the organisers products , they are definitely pans puppets , they appear very nervous reviewing his products, with pan regularly interrupting them to further try and enhance his product .
@@kevkav5680to be honest you can feel their sincerity has lost its touch especially Jamie
On the hood of my car, I tested DIY Ceramic Gloss vs. Armour Detail Supply Ceramic Sealant vs. CLEAN by Pan Ceramic Spray Sealant in te real world. After 12 days, Ceramic Gloss was performing far better than the other two. YMMV.
Ive been running my detailing company for 7 years now. I used to find honest channels all the time. This is my new go to...
Pan producing his own products was a natural progression for his business. I use Ammo NYC as a reference point. Seems like the Clean formulas have been well developed and the product is of high quality
That’s not the point I’m trying to make. He can produce his own products, in any way he wants, but once you become a brand you are no longer an objective reviewer.
You can run the competition, or compete, not both.
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Fair point. It is difficult to maintain an objective opinion and therefore a potential conflict of interest could arise. Maybe it’s time for him to create a 2nd channel?
@@markmcg8912wouldn’t matter, same person.
He has to pick what he wants to be, product review channel or brand.
This channel is one of the 2 channels that i think it is honest about product reviews. The other one is Brian from Apex Detail, despite having his own line of products, he is still honest about everything he says. We need more channels like this. Hello from Turkiye sir.
Thank you! I appreciate the support!
Finally and honest opinion Thank you 🙏 and don’t stop
One of my biggest struggles in life is accepting how some folks are so susceptible to marketing.
Some people bought this stuff as soon as they saw it being pushed, not stopping even for a second to wonder, "How can a TH-camr with zero background in chemistry make products that compete with billion dollar organizations"?
I agree. I too try to be wary of all the marketing nowadays. However if I recall in some of his earlier videos, Pan does have a background in chemistry or something in science.
Doubt that. He is only a car cleaner at the end of the day.
@@MrKaystew he's spoken about having a background in medicine
If you have the money you don't need the education you can hire those that have it an help you create what you want. If you know all the properties that you desire they can tailor to it. There are lots of different blender companies that will do so. Others besides him have even done so.
@VikingRocketeer right, but hiring a chemist or a blending company will give you a very small chance of having top-tier products
Thanks for rhe review i was gonna buy a bottle of his spray sealant to try out but if its not beating the legendary 3 in 1 theirs no point. I appreciate the honest review.
It was nice to use, and real world testing still needs time to flesh out. Wait until we have some updates on that before buying.
@@sheepstardetail I'll be here I just subscribed 💪
Hey everyone, this is not a sponsor video. No one sent me anything. i buy these with my own money, lol the link is in the discretion below to check out some of the best products. Guy's you know i tested some of the best products 🤔 how about avalon King ? How about? How about cerakote, yes right lol guys you know the name 😉
Great video and thoughtful comments on the YT drama. Thanks!
I liked Pans channel just based off of how many products he’s put on film. Just starting into the detailing world it’s overwhelming. I was recalling looking forward to his best products of 2024 video to come out to compare with previous years and get better products to fit my situation. The moment I saw his product lineup video I couldn’t believe it. I agree with you, in the terms that once he came out with a product lineup he needed to step away from the product review portion.
Thx for the video mate. So many new channels popping up and using all these new products. Some seem that they are surfing on the wave of hype and drama.
It’s a great opportunity, but it appears to be wasted on sucking up.
😅@@sheepstardetailabsolutely. Also, you need a bench seat to avoid that issue in the first few seconds lol. Also, not just sucking up, but an easy way at getting cheap views and subs. Not a stupud move but can see right through it.
@@rooboy99 they can enjoy their 15 minutes right?
Yes, most of them are not even detailers they're just looking for a hype Clean 👎🏾I know it
Hey have you tried using a flairosol bottle to apply the gyeon wet coat essence? It may help apply it more evenly in the spray and rinse method. Because of your video on essence and dilution ratios, I'm not getting the regular stuff and going straight to dilution.
I have not. Haven’t used it in a while and went I went to check on it, it gelled up. Might try mixing it and checking if it comes back, but not sure at this point. I have all those other spray on rinse off products to use up too before I re-buy.
Real life testing 👌. Can’t ask for anything better. Here’s the products, here’s the results, These are the facts. Love it, good job.
Interesting video. I'm kind of glad I'm holding out on pans stuff for awhile to see reviews 6 months, a yr down the road . There are 2 main things, in my opinion, that detailers think about the most . No , it's not happy customers. They 99% of the time are going to be happy . Detailers see much more than a average customer ever will . It's cost , aka overhead, and speed . With that in mind the clean lineup is a little pricey compared to other products in the flooded detailing world . Just my opinion. Ty
The griots and turtle wax are very good products at great pricing levels. I think pan kind of hurt himself by saying all of his products are the best. If he just talked about his products people would still buy them. He’s got a large following and he’s going to get sales no matter what.
Kudos to the water properties segment 👏🏼👌🏼
Been waiting for ur review on this highly sought , I gotta have it ,gem of a product. And love the new concept I died lol!
I see a lot of you tube detailers dont test out Griots products and it makes no sense to me when some of their products are solid for the price. That exact ceramic spray I have and use and lasts months on my vehicle where you can still see the hydrophobic properties. I also live right on the water so salt air mixed in with my daily driving.
Yeah it has a good reputation. Everyone has specific conditions to their environments and it may not work for everyone, but so far I’m impressed with it.
Right now this channel and forensic (and ccad if he uploads) are my favorite honest car detailing review channels.
I appreciate that, those are good channels too.
Imagine CCAD reviewing clean products he would not hold back 😂😂😂
@@Andresthebigkat I don’t have really any thing negative to say about the product. Once some time passes on the real world test I’ll have more conclusive thoughts.
Yes, this channel reminds me of Forensic in a good way.
Jon at Forensic is my favorite derailing guy. SheepStar is fast becoming a favorite.
Thanks for the review, appreciate it.
If that fall off the chair looked pretty real😂 , nice job👍
I would never buy a PTO product. He’s awful. All the lies about how these products are supposed to be superior, but in reality, they’re garbage. For example, he raved about the Eagle One wheel cleaner, but it was complete trash. When I asked for a refund because I trusted his review and bought the product, he basically gave me the middle finger, just like he did in one of the comments. He’s not a reviewer-he’s a marketer and a liar.
You hit the nail right in the head there my friend. I stopped watching PTO after he got exposed for selling positive reviews on his channel. He has no integrity.
His Rinse-Less and Shampoo really are good quality products, but for me they are only top 5 products, not a number 1. His panel prep spray is also far better than a bunch of others I have used, but can't say it is the best. The 8 year coating is indeed really nice. The instructions say 1-2 minute flash times, but I got 5 minutes out of it in ideal conditions. It is very forgiving to apply.
you asked Pan for a refund on Eagle on wheel cleaner? Why?
Great video, love the comedic bits too. I stopped watching Pan a few years ago when it became clear that he was getting endorsements from sponsors. So needless to say, I have no desire to try his products.
Thanks! I figured a video with a fairly serious message should have some humour thrown in to balance it out, even if it was at my expense (or my hood).
Great video! As for the first time in front of a camera you are looking pretty confident 👍
Lol, I was afraid that DA polisher will be next to land on the hood 😄😄
Honestly I was surprised with the results, I did not expect Nu finish to disappear so fast, and did not expect Griot's to be so durable. I believe now Griot's ceramic spray is the best in the world, period? 😄
I dont care about clean but I loved the throwing of products and headwiping 😂
I was told to use my head many times as a young man.
Am I doing it right?
@@sheepstardetail You are doing great, stay ahead!
Nice to meet you!
So I’m looking to get started into car detailing as a side gig and have been watching Pan for a little bit trying to find out what products I should start out with and then eventually upgrade to. It seems there is sooooo much to choose from and it can get a little overwhelming. I’ve seen tons of videos on P&S on how good they are and they seem very well priced compared to ones like Koch Chemie and CarPro etc. I’m just not sure if it’s really worth spending the money on larger name brands or find a brand like P&S or Adam’s or something like that and stick with them
Ik im replying to my own comment but one question I can’t seem to find the answer to is this, if I work in a garage is DeIonized water NECESSARY?
The technology has progressed so far in the past few years that the top products have almost no difference between them. To many owners want some kind of instant simple way to get superb gloss and protection without any work. The best cure for higher gloss is to do a paint enhancement on your car even if it’s brand new you can’t coat a finish with swirls and hairline scratches from some kid at the dealers lot who was told to prep your new car. If you have a good finish any of the top products will do the job of giving you protection and enhancing gloss. Pan can say his products are the best in the world but time will show whether that’s true or not. What I’ve seen is that products that were the best in the world as little as two years ago are not even talked about online anymore because many of the newer products are just that much better. Any polish or sealant is a compromise between gloss durability and hydrosvopic properties. If you improve one quality it’s usually at the expense of the others.
Love the video!
I can already tell your channel is going to be popular with Gen Z.
(This was not intended as an insult)
This is the first video that I have appeared in, and with that type of humour. To be totally honest I copied that style from a channel I follow called Hand Tool Rescue. I find it funny as it’s such a contrast to how seriously people take detailing.
This is an interesting perspective. Keep in mind people have dreams and they are allowed to be entrepreneurs. You can say it started with his TH-cam, and now developed to this. Either way he should not be at fault for doing it. With all his experience his products will be good and some great. Outside of that .... There are brands for everyone. I just don't see the reason to be negative 🤷🏻♂️
I wasn’t negative and this is not about starting a brand, it’s about BEING a brand and also an objective reviewer.
@@sheepstardetail understood
This. Once a reviewer sells their own brand of products, they need to call it quits on reviewing other brands. Seems crazy that this is not common sense for some TH-camrs. They transitioned into a different business. I unsubbed from them all and will not buy their products.
I'd also like to add (and I realize that I'm painting with a very large brush) - that one of the big problems I have with a lot of the newer ceramic sprays is their lack of filling and darkening (you call it jetting, which I've never heard but I'm glad that there's a term). The chemical resistance wars are, in technical terms, "majorly stupid". Sure, it correlates with real world durability to some degree, but it is not the whole picture of what a good sealant should do. They're supposed to make the car look good and protect it to some degree with hydrophobicity and slickness (and some of the more durable coatings lack in slickness). Keeping in mind how thin modern paint is, and who the actual buying public is at big box stores (who don't polish their cars) - filling and darkening are going to make a huge difference in how your car actually looks. People crap on Meguiar's blue hybrid ceramic spray wax because it doesn't last 6 months, but if you actually use it - it looks amazing. Better than Griot's 3-in-1 in my opinion, and it has insane hydrophobics. I get 2-3 months in the real world parking outside. I can easily keep it topped off for longer with a good drying aid. Spraying it on ~4 times a year is something I can handle. The super long durability claims can also lull people into thinking that it's some magic shield that protects the car from everything - etching, keeping contaminants off, etc. You still have to clean the car often.
Good video. I have some Pan products coming, but I’m sure I will fall back on hybrid solutions turtle wax stuff bc it works, can go just down the road and buy it, and it is cheaper than all the exotic brands TH-cam channel advertisements. But yeah, I wanted to play around with a few of his products
Nothing wrong with that, and based on my experience, I’m sure they will all be decent. Not the best value though but I guess he stated that from the start.
Great Video! Love the aggressive throwing 🤣
Yeah always been a fan of Pan's but definitely viewing his newer videos differently now and taking his recommendations with a grain of salt.
I keep seeing that Griot's 3-1 is killer, definitely getting some once I finish up my Cerakote sealant bottle.
I just received griots recently despite is being around for years. I applied it to my parents entire car so I’ll check in on it periodically.
I agree with everything you have said about conflict of interests. Whilst I’m sure Clean products are good, I don’t believe they can enter a super competitive market and make the best of everything.
I would say just being competitive is already a great achievement in and of itself. No need to go beyond that on a first outing.
I am staying with DIY DETAIL'S Ceramic Gloss. I passed on this but have the shampoo, coating, prep, rinseless.
Diddy had so much baby oil, it got on his shop floor.
I'm with you. Pan talked up these products like they are absolutely THE BEST or he would not release them and that's why everyone got so excited. Come to find out that they are good products, but NOT the absolute best. Since then i have not been watching as much of his videos. I do like the ease of use of his products though, for example when i do a ceramic coat, i am highly leaning towards PANs 8 year coat. his coating seems to be VERY forgiving.
Yeah the statement of the “best” when what is best is highly subjective and environmental is a bold move. I don’t think this is a bad product by any means, but calling it best, even with the qualifiers of “to me” is still a bit much.
Great unbiased video! Just got some pan products a few days ago... The Canadian struggle of waiting is real lol. Like you, I also chose to skip the coatings because imo, his credibility is gone because of the whole cerakote debacle, all while knowing he had his own line coming.
Bough a new car in Jan 24 so I started visiting detailing channels. Went thru a number of products but mostly just wasted money and got confused. Bought the Clean Ceramic spray and its good but so are some other products. I have gotten to the point where I am not watching much of car detailing, because too many products, no real agreement on products, and the old days of washing waxing your car and enjoying your weekend, have gone to people with complicated series of chemicals and panel prep and decon procedures . Better off just reading the reviews on Amazon and picking 1 or 2 products. Am going to find another past time. Screw detailing.
I would just turn off TH-cam and use what you found that works. Regain that joy you had cleaning your car, and buy products that you feel compelled to only by yourself.
Appreciate the objective, tongue in cheek review, but kind of curious hearing you throw shade at the name "Pan the organizer" when your channel is named "SheepStar" 🤔 lol
It’s my one weakness. For the record I don’t have any issue with pans channel name and didn’t specifically imply that. I actually think it’s a great brand name.
Edit: I was confused by your comment, but my quip at the beginning is the double “by”.
Ceramic spray BY clean BY PTA. It’s not…. Clean sounding.
Need a gloss meter
I need a perfectly flat panel for that. And like… several hundred dollars.
@sheepstardetail yeah, I feel it. I believe apex detail is the only one doing that for coatings at the moment
@ forensic has one, and I think dmitry’s garage. My take on gloss meters is that while they do “quantify” performance, it only matters if the human eye can detect it. 5 products with 1-2 GU’s between them will not be observable. It’s essentially margin of error. A product winning with less than 5GU is almost a tie.
@sheepstardetail yes. Naked eye can only see like 10 units at best
But it is very interesting to say the least
It is indeed. I still love seeing numbers but most people don’t know that it’s a moot point below a specific threshold.
Also, high gloss doesn’t always mean better looking. Product that fill and jet more often appear better to the naked eye versus high gloss. Not always, but usually. Jetting/filling is more noticeable and often preferred.
Pan has to face the music. Just as you have put your face on the video. Now you won’t be able to walk down the street in BC😅
Ladies, one at a time!
Very nice.
Are you from BC?
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@@sheepstardetail that's awesome. LM? OK? V.i?
@@RhinestoneRhino LM. Specifically, PC.
I ❤ this. 😂
Thank you. Sub’d
Hmm... I'm not sure if this was an honest assessment of the Clean Ceramic Spray Sealant from Pan The Organizer or an opportunity to diss him. That said, you took the time to make the video and shared your opinion, which many commenters on here have endorsed.
I would ask what have I hidden? I showed you application including temperature and humidity readings during, blind test panels for both filling and chemical resistance, and also my anecdotal findings based on that footage.
Is it a diss-track compared to other videos, or are other videos artificially positive? I also purchased this myself compared to the select rat pack that gets their gifts in the mail.
Hey I just wanted to say that those soft brushes do scratch and it’s a bit off that you call people dumb for saying that. They are numerous videos on YT showing how these brushes scratch. It’s awful when people hand out incorrect advice with authority…
Have yet to see mine scratch. If that changes I’ll be the first to say so. Worth noting is that these brushes used on a dirty surface before a foam and rinse will rub in whatever grit is on the surface. This panel is clean, so no grit to potentially scratch with. Maybe I’ll try to conduct a test with one of my black panels and see if/how scratching can occur.
@@sheepstardetailcheckout @detailprojects review of InnerQD.
Thanks I’ll check it out. Was this on an interior panel or exterior?
@@sheepstardetail it’s on a plastic panel - I mentioned the video as proof of concept… I am sure my vw clear coat would laugh at those soft brushes but my wife’s Nissan has soft clear that is very easily damaged. Piano black plastic is common on the exterior and that seems to scratch in the rain….
@@trifin5772 Gotcha. Yeah piano black, especially on the interior, scratches from unlocking the car, let alone cleaning it.
Let me ask you this though. Obviously these brushes can be used in a manner that doesn't scratch, and when they do scratch, it's on substrates that will pretty much always scratch, unless the wash media is so gentle that it may in fact struggle to clean it at all. True touchless washing for the most part doesn't really exist, at least not when the vehicle/panel is past a certain point as far as debris levels are concerned. Do you still think that this product is 100% bad when it struggles in these highly sensitive conditions when basically all equivalent products would too? Would a more fair statement be that, they CAN be swirl/scratch free, under most normal conditions, but exercise caution when cleaning very sensitive finishes are at play?
Those dang jump cuts to all your products being ised 😂
My head hurts.
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I’ve stayed away from Pan’s video’s for years. They’re just infomercials. In the early days he often just copied ideas for content from other channels, often Forensic Detailing. Pan the Plagiariser was an amusing name I often came across on Forums. The nail in the coffin was when Pan looked at Beadmaker and his way over the top reaction combined with terrible acting ability was ridiculous. Viewers were supposed to believe it was so slick etc that he had to walk away to compose himself! Anyone who has used Beadmaker knows it’s an average product, not bad but not the “game changer” we had forced down our throats. So obviously not an unbiased, honest review. No idea what he’s been up to lately but when I saw he had his own line of products out, I can guess he’s telling the world that they are the best out there. Pan says they are so they must be!
I heard detail co and clean were lines strictly released for the lgbtq community
If Pan wanted his own brand, fine. Have the integrity to let others test your products and review them. Start another channel where you compare your brand up against others for all I care ( although this creates a new set of issues that will cause people to think you have lost your integrity ). Once anything besides great products creates a bias, all integrity is lost. From where I personally sit, Pan crossed that line.
Nothing wrong with evolving his channel into a brand, been done many times before. But he wants to keep reviewing products which is a really questionable move when you factor in the glaring conflicts of interest.
@@sheepstardetail You and I are in total agreement on that point.
@@sheepstardetail Honestly, that was the point I was trying to convey.
@@ritchschut1997 that’s what I figured. I got you fam.
Give Masterson’s Car Care a try. Our Evolution Ceramic Coating will come out on top 🎉
You can send me one, I’m not buying it.
I've really liked Pan's content, but I can't consider him objective since releasing his own brand. His tests unfortunately aren't useful anymore.
Lots of people are jealous of Pan . Pan will continue to win and his haters will continue to lose .
Careful Icarus….
Good video. I have some Pan products coming, but I’m sure I will fall back on hybrid solutions turtle wax stuff bc it works, can go just down the road and buy it, and it is cheaper than all the exotic brands TH-cam channel advertisements. But yeah, I wanted to play around with a few of his products
Nothing wrong with that, and if you find something that works better, great! If not, you know what works and it’s easy to get.