Yeah, from now on I will stick with the following brands: - Koch Chemie - Gyeon - Car Pro - DIY Detail - Adams - P&S And I'll try Jimbo's latest product. These brands work for me, but maybe not for others. That's cool.. I too am a DIYer. Retired and living comfortably. I don't need OG equip.. But he is very entertaining. Now I am downsizing what is in my detailing cart. I seriously doubt that most guys can really tell the difference between the different premium product brands. As long as I don't neglect taking care of my cars and keeping them away from the elements, I should be O.K.. I find that using the proper technique and tools learned on YT are very important! Thanxs You Tube!
I totally agree with you. As a beginner, and I mean beginner, my mentor has been and continues to be the internet. The first videos I watched were from DIY, so I jumped on that band wagon and have about 80-85% of their whole product line!! I did buy some quality MF towels and some towel cleaner/rejuvenator from rags to riches. I will be doing my first coating today because I wanted to experience that process (DIY's graphene coating - around $60.00). There are many products I want to try, but Ive put the brakes on for now and agree with you completely that, for the most part, most enthusiast's can't tell product A from product B. From the internet, I have learned how to properly wash a car and believe in the foam, rinse, foam-contact or rinesless, rinse, rinesless-contact because Ive done it that way and it works; maybe a little all purpose cleaner if extra dirty or bug guts, ect... Now Ive learned that your 5 year coating may need to be "unclogged" after 6 months or so depending on driving habits, garage kept, ect...that was a shocker in a way, because, why can't you just wash it/take car of it and ride that 5 year coating wave? Moving forward, I will be using old school compound, polish and wax, or just apply some type of sealant and take care of it as usual. Im more willing to do a light decon on that -vs- having to do it (or pay to have it done) on a thousand dollar coating (went there too). There are just too many products out there; its confusing - just for the tires and rims, you can use at least 4 products - stuff for tires, stuff for rims, multiple and different brushes for the barrels, the face - you get my drift..so thanks for your comments - glad to know others are starting to get it - Im not bashing the industry. I continue to watch videos and learn. I love detailing; can't get enough of it!!! It's just becoming confusing due to the enormous amount of products flooding this market. Thanks!!
Good test and comparison--thanks! Yes, both products do a pretty good job of providing gloss and slickness. And I'm glad you emphasized: no, neither product is designed to compete with a wipe-on ceramic coating. They are designed to be fairly quick and easy to apply. Under normal conditions, you'll probably get one to three months of protection--depending on your specific circumstances. I applied a so-called 9-year wipe-on Ceramic w/ Graphene coating, and it looks like I'll be lucky if I get 4 or 5 years out of it. Granted, my truck is a daily driver that is parked outside at work 5 days/week; and is subject to hot summers and cold winters. I would probably use the PAN or DIY sprays just to add a bit of a topper to my existing coating.
Top with Griots Ceramic Speed Shine to the 3 in1, and TW Pure Shine Misting Detailer ( graphene infusied) to the TW Hybrid Graphene Flex, after every wash !!!
I don't like to use TW cermamic hybrid solution. I always get a brown streaks. I apply only 2 sprays per panal and buff off with another microfiber towel and I still get the brown streak. I might try the seal n shine next time. I bought the purse shine 4 weeks ago. It does give mey the silky touch.
Jimbo, so much malicious intent!!!!!! HA You're one of the torture test OGs. I know you have your own line now, but I have always appreciated these tests that you do and channels like yours inspired me to start mine and run my own torture tests and comparisons. Keep up the good content man.
Just my opinion here. I watched this video to hear your take on the products, though I understand why you chose not to give a personal opinion. Great video, I subscribed! Personally, I’m a big fan of DIY Ceramic Gloss, it’s my favorite by far. Last weekend, I tried Clean’s ceramic spray on my wife’s car, and it was impressive. I’ll need a few more uses to form a solid opinion, but so far, it’s a very good product. Not the absolute best, but definitely among the top options out there.
The biggest reason for not giving my opinion is people say I’m bias because I have my own product brand. So I try to let the test do the talking and let people connect the dots.
@@themikeroberts The only metrics I care about are durability, gloss, and ease of application. To me the Clean product was only “as good as” in all three!
@@justlovethisgame3537They’re much better than average. The chemicals sprayed and wiped on the painted surface aren’t chemicals that one would normally use there. As far as resistance to the elements they work great.
Im lovin that Ryobi blower. It does the job we need it to do and it small. Our big boi blower to a backseat. We use it for the cracks and crevices and for the wheels. Easy work.
Great video. I had been “old school” until recently. Grew up during the muscle car era (Boss 302, 455 Trans Am) prior to today’s clear coat. So am really interested in the advancement of car detailing. Thanks for the comparison and will check out more of your videos. One comment - glad to see the nitrile gloves, but give some consideration to ear protection.
Do you have a Gloss meter, if so, it would be much appreciated if you include the before and after readings of what your reviewing, besides Hydrophobics and Chemical resitance.
LoL everyone getting on Pan for saying his is the best but what did you expect him to say? He's products are the 3rd best? I mean even Jimbo says his products are the best. Everyone is always gonna say their products are the best. They'd be stupid not to as they are trying to sell their products.
I agree but that’s why they can’t“ review” their own product and give a good review of it, it’s like asking a parent how good their kid is at sports, even if they are trying to be honest it’s thru rose colored glasses
@@Brandon-Peake Yes and I think we all agree that putting his and Detail Co's products in his Best of the Year video was a big mistake but its a live and learn situation. But people are acting like Pan kicked their dog or punched their mom in the face.
Like the comparison of the two products. But Hard as Shell generally puts them to shame torture test wise. Have you thought about doing a torture test comparison of Pan's 3 or 8 year ceramic coating versus the already completed test you did on Gloss Boss? BTW like your new pistol grip spray nozzle, where did you get it at?
Thanks for the feedback! I’d love to do a head-to-head torture test with my products-it would be interesting to see the durability differences side by side. However, in this industry, companies can be quick to lawyer up when they feel like their products are being challenged, especially if they don’t hold up as well. So, to avoid any unnecessary legal headaches, I try to steer clear of direct “torture tests” with my brand vs other brands as much as possible.
I checked the prices and the Clean spray was listed at $23.99. the DIY spray is normally $20.00 but they are having a 25% off sale so, it's now $14.99. even without the sale, I did not see a $3.00 to$4.00 price difference.
I’ve been using SPS Graphene Detailer for a few months now by a SPS coatings company. Claimed durability 4 plus months. But I could care less, the ease of use is amazing. Even in direct sun it works without streaking.
Jimbo would love to see you review Apex Surface Protection Blue Collar 3 and compare to these as well as to Tough as Shell. I imagine them all to be very similar but would love to know your perspective. Love your videos!
Only his friends who have exposure and free products have stated that they are, not even the best in the world, but... up there with the best, which could be alongside another dozen or so brands ... Carpro, Koch, Labocosmetica, Armour, G Techniq, and Bilt Hamber. To name just a few !! A very general statement to make without siding either way to avoid upsetting someone who is their friend or who they look up to for personal gain
We have the DIY ceramic gloss and Pans Clean Spray Sealant . Both are great by our assessment. Ease of application for both, wipe off is easy, no smearing, no streaking, evaporates great, nice gloss. I personally can’t say which one is better as I like them both. Myself nor my clients are going to be spraying these chemicals on their vehicle so it’s really irrelevant about these alleged torture tests. We specialize in applying ceramic coatings so anytime we use a spray seal like DIY, ceramic gloss or Pans sealant is typically for a topper. We don’t do that Many standalone spray sealant detail jobs.
In the pharmaceutical industry , when developing drug products, we do the same thing where we stress test , storing it under higher temperatures to see how fast they would degrade, to determine or project shelf-life. We also do extreme stress tests on the drug , extreme low and high pH, oxidizing agents etc , to see what impurities would come out of the drug. But they all have a reason for it. When you apply these super harsh cleaners on the treated paint surface , obviously they would naturally degrade, as it was not meant to handle that. I mean these are detailers, not ceramic 9H coatings. Infotainment , sure, but a bit meaningless, not informative at all. You can compare performance like beading, gloss, ease of application, etc…. These are maintenance products, which means you use it fairly regularly.
Agreed. I would say if you want to torture test the panel after application for any test using things they naturally would become exposed to would be most beneficial. Ultra hard water, mud, dirt, mag chloride, salt, high heat exposure. Cold, freezing water. Etc. The chemicals being used to "torture test" are nothing close to what they would encounter.
I remember in older torture test videos you took just a clean damp towel and wiped it over the panel to remove surfactants if any. Why not do that in this video after washing the panel after each round?
@@autodetailingpodcast Im thinking that the wet towel was awesome cause it removed any surfactant residue and I remember watching your older videos; the wet towel changed some of the water behavior quite a bit. Just my two cents, you make great videos and know whats best but my vote is for that sweet sweet wet towel.
Forensic Detailing tested it out. Collinite Beadcoat was more durable than TW Seal n Shine when tested with Bilt-Hamber Surfex HD (highly alkaline). But the TW was slightly more durable than Beadcoat in a separate test using Gyeon Total Remover (highly acidic).
I did a 3-way test with the new Collinite spray sealant, Jimbo's Hard as Shell (HaS - original) and Griot's 3in1 on the hood of my vehicle. For ease of application: by a wide margin it was HaS, then 3in1 then Collinite. For surface feel: HaS was very smooth, 3in1 has that very noticeable carnuba-waxy feel, and my least favorite was Collinite that was a bit rough/grippy. All 3 had great water beading initially. All 3 improved gloss, but the HaS had that glass hard shine look. Durability: Collinite started failing first just after 2 months followed shortly thereafter by Jimbo's HaS. Griot's 3in1 is still going strong. I will be giving the Collinite away/not using again. If I get the newer Jimbo's TaS I will do another side by side with Griot's.
@@daggerNC86 I applied Collinite Beadcoat on one half of my car, Xpel Ceramic boost on the other half. And on my 2nd car I applied Apex BC9 throughout. After 2 months the Xpel failed while the Collinite is still going strong. The Apex BC9 still going strong as well.
Are the products actually mixed and packaged in the same factory. I've said since the beginning that Pan probably partnered with the same corporation to release these products
Was just about to ask. He mentioned they were made in the same place, and I'm curious how he would know? I know they are shipped from the same shipping warehouse, but as far as I know, no one has inside info where they were made at. Is there some sort of inside info
@autodetailingpodcast i dig your channel and enjoy your content. Unfortunately, because of a misspoke "made in the same factory" vs shipped from the same warehouse, people will misconstrue that to be the case. I believe this is one of the ways all the wrong stuff is spread about anyone's products, and people just repeat what they heard. Could Pans products be his original. Sure. Could they be white labeled. Sure. Only specific people really know. I don't have a care one way or another but I do like info that's actual and fact based.
@@ConwayLStevens I really wouldn't be surprised if they were blended in the same factory, blenders can be anyone even if they're different chemists that formulated it.
I was always a little iffy about Pan but when he pushed his own product like that, I couldn't bother to watch him anymore. I just can't with that guy. You never ever tell what your customer to think about your product. Quality, ease of use, and performance will do all the marketing for you.
So what was your conclusion Jim? It’s ok to give your opinion, everyone has some bias, like myself. I love the ceramic gloss, as a topper on my coating. It seems to really pop in gloss. I use it every 4th wash. Smells tropical also.
I’d choose DIY over Pan if I had to pick between the two. Pan has a history of taking a bit too much “inspiration” from others, and his product line launch is a prime example of that. That said, both brands offer mediocre products at reasonable prices, which is why they attract so much attention. However, if you’re open to other options, there are definitely better choices available than either of these.
A good test between the two. And a torture test is just that. More extreme than what you should be doing to your vehicles. A lot of negatives in some of the comments and it’s sad to see.
15:52 that water would not have sticked if u aimed at it. Btw, without calling names, take the information for what it is. People who are more close to them said that they are both the same just a different smell. Not wanna open pandoras box here… Just like the rinseless V2 is just V2 because they had problems with supplies and let another manufacturer make it now, period… Am i gonna make these claims hard? Not at all, these people have inside information and im just a random from the internet. 😊 That being said, i love DIY rinseless and also ceramic gloss. It sheets the water better than beading and keeps the car looking clean. Just the whole mystery always behind those products is something i never liked, but good to know anyway i find. DIY products just work. ;)
The reason for V2 DIY Detail Rinse Less Wash was to improve the product. We actually have more than one factory making it, that way we can keep up with demand. We have our own formulas, which allows us to have them made by different contract blending facilities under the supervision or our chemists. Your “inside” information is nothing more than a rumour.
@@diydetailofficial comes from one of ur C6 installers. 😊 🤷🏻♂️ edit: one of ur CERTIFIED installers. Just like where the chemists are from Turtle Wax - Rinseless wash, incredible suds, ceramic gloss, tire dressing 3D Car Care - Gold Standard Polish (probably Owner's Pride is identical) ECP Inc. - 3/5/8 Year Ceramic coatings, interior ceramic, interior clean and protect Technician's Choice (ECP Inc.) - Quick Beads (TEC582 concentrate + graphite flakes + DI water) Generic products - Iron remover (identical to Owner's Pride DeconX), All Clean (same as Owner's Pride), Panel Prep (IPA), Water Spot Remover (vinegar), Tree Sap remover (methanol). Pads: Uro fiber There is nothing wrong with it. But there is no need to call them rumours to keep the shine high for nothing. We all know to a certain degree how the marketing and all works, no need to keep a curtain up for people like Pan does with the best of the best. Btw have a look at a distributor of DIY who gets lead by a bunch of people who worked for gorillaglue and set people up and ran with their money. Check the reviews and act upon. Or brand gets a bad name because of it while u perfectly simplified detailing which is nice of u all. Asterics reiniging in the Netherlands.
@@autodetailingpodcast I can see that. Seal n Shine seems to be very chemically resistant when fresh, however it seems to be susceptible to... time. After 3 months or so the hydrophobics fade pretty quick.
If the results are similar then anyone who buys the more expensive one is well…..you know😂….that goes for every product…even yours😂. If a product is more expensive then it needs to CLEARLY outperform the cheaper product. That wasn’t the case here. So DIY it is.
Since it got brought up, Here’s why Tough As Shell is worth the extra cost: 1. Easy to Use - It’s simple to apply, giving you exceptional results without the hassle. 2. Unmatched Durability - Long-lasting protection that keeps your car looking its best with fewer applications (you can watch my torture test on it) 3. Unique Micro Emulsion Technology - Unlike most products, Tough As Shell is a negatively charged micro emulsion. While most (if not all) others, positively charged macro emulsions attract dust like magnets, Tough As Shell helps keep dust at bay - a game-changer in car care that most can’t offer. And to top it off, my customer service is second to none, ensuring you get the best experience every time! Hope that clears some things up!
@@autodetailingpodcast the issue with your spray is that there are bonafide wipe on coatings that will far outperform Hard As Shell for only a few dollars more. So if I’m gonna spend way more for yours vs DIY or Clean then I might as well buy a full blown coating.
Being the clean freak I am about my rides, i would be the one parking where i didnt have to go through the water going through the parking lot 😂😂!! 🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️😆 I know, ppl on the Internet 😂!!!
@@autodetailingpodcastGreasy Pan is fighting back tears and having imaginary arguments in his shower about how hard he will “own” his “haters” aka anyone who doesn’t post reviews saying his product is the BEST EVER 😂 What @calvertschmued2920 meant to say was that if Pam the Advertiser gets exposed again he might actually have a public meltdown
Huh? Ceramic spray sealants are FAR from "snake oil" and Yvan doesn't tout DIY Detail Ceramic Gloss around like Pan did with his new products. But ok boomer.
Seeing the SDS sheets they’re definitely not snake oil. These tests are far more extreme than what you should be doing to your vehicle. Unfortunately this negativity is the downside of the industry
Snake oil as in it's not as good and he boasts it is. At the end of the day they are just spray sealants. They aren't designed to be like a full blown coating, they're easy to apply and can both be used as a drying aid to re apply, UV and hydrophobics are good enough for most people.
Chem-X SnakeOil is actually one of the most durable foam and rinse sealants out there. Just as good if not better than Carpro HydrO2Foam and Labocosmetica Revitax.
Sorry whats the point we watch theses tests to find out which one you think is best as then we can still make our own mind up your should give us your opinion and you should put the links for the others ceramic spray sealant tests and why not give us your opinion on which ceramic spray sealant is the best as your supposed to be an car detailing expert that's the main res we watch TH-cam channels instead of keeping us guessing and then we still can make our own minds up
Have you ever used Dawn dish soap or Tide in a torture test. I saw some TH-camr saying you could use Dawn to wash your vehicle. This 2024 not 1974, crazy stuff out there on TH-cam.......lol
In the real world your never going to put a wheel cleaner fallout on to wash after you put on a sealant. To do a proper real world test then your going to more than likely use some sort of bug remover on your maintenance wash...mabey first try a citrus pre wash then an APC and then a bug remover,tar and glue remover and work your way up to the fallout and panel wipe
The torture test are simply one way to test products. They simply give us a standard test to gauge products. More times then not it has been accurate for how the product perform in the “real world”.
Vous être donné beaucoup de trouble le contraire m’aurait surpris . Deux Amis comme Pan et Yvan Je Pense que les deux produits ont les mêmes recettes Je pense aussi que la plus part des produits d’esthétique ont sensiblement les mêmes performance . Pourquoi les clients choisiraient un produit à un autre Performance équivalant , c’est le prix qui va faire la différence . Merci pour votre effort .
Any money they are the same product. DIY has an "8 year" coating and sprayable polish, now Pan has the same😅. I asked Pan who actually makes his products as you know he didn't build his own facility. No answer of course😅.
@@patb5266 he's just copying Yvan and Nick's MO. They may not be the same pricing but their structure is his go too guideline I've noticed Yvan doesn't comment on his product line videos anymore. No more congrats or anything.
I asked DIY detail on their channel but didn't a response or maybe they havent seen the question if the CLEAN product if its essentially a rebranded product from DIY Details or made from the same blending factory, cause used both and noticed the similarity and i told him as per Pans statement that he has his OWN team of chemist and mixes his product. And this test confirms by friends claim hence i owe him lunch tomorrow as we made a bet prior if someone tests both products side by side, damn didnt know itll be this soon , i thought will play around until.
@@1kontrabida and you won't get a response from DIY about it. Pan's already jumped down his unveiling video, that he probably partnered with the same parent company, and that it's just a rip off of DIYs product structure. They may not be the exact same formulations but doesn't mean they are mixed/manufactured and packaged by the same company, or
@@autodetailingpodcastObssesed garage, extreme solutions are just a few who claims BB blnding private labels for them, bottom line to formulate ur own product it takes a lot of time , money and most importantly R&D and licensing ie patent. But Pan presented hisClean products as if he has his own team that works day and night to produce the best products, was disingenuous and misinforming the public didnt sit well with me, because i was one of those that believed. Thats why lunch is best served cold lol!
@@1kontrabida - yup! I’ve actually worked with OG on his soap. I’ve played in the blending “sandbox” for many years and I’m well aware of the games that are played.
From video can't tell a difference in shine or gloss. Nobody torture test their car paint. I don't understand the point of these videos. I use a product for how it makes my car look. This videos provides no useful information.
*THIS IS WHAT WE NEED...* 💯
Good comparison videos, so the consumer can choose, which product is BEST for them.
I've put the brakes on new products... Until I finish using my old products. I have just too many!
Part of the fun is having a bunch of products!
Same here man and I'm not even a professional I only wash my own 2 cars but have a million products and towels 😂
Yeah, from now on I will stick with the following brands:
- Koch Chemie
- Gyeon
- Car Pro
- DIY Detail
- Adams
- P&S
And I'll try Jimbo's latest product. These brands work for me, but maybe not for others. That's cool.. I too am a DIYer. Retired and living comfortably. I don't need OG equip.. But he is very entertaining. Now I am downsizing what is in my detailing cart. I seriously doubt that most guys can really tell the difference between the different premium product brands. As long as I don't neglect taking care of my cars and keeping them away from the elements, I should be O.K.. I find that using the proper technique and tools learned on YT are very important! Thanxs You Tube!
@dtna ya cart sounds exactly like mines lol
I totally agree with you. As a beginner, and I mean beginner, my mentor has been and continues to be the internet. The first videos I watched were from DIY, so I jumped on that band wagon and have about 80-85% of their whole product line!! I did buy some quality MF towels and some towel cleaner/rejuvenator from rags to riches. I will be doing my first coating today because I wanted to experience that process (DIY's graphene coating - around $60.00). There are many products I want to try, but Ive put the brakes on for now and agree with you completely that, for the most part, most enthusiast's can't tell product A from product B. From the internet, I have learned how to properly wash a car and believe in the foam, rinse, foam-contact or rinesless, rinse, rinesless-contact because Ive done it that way and it works; maybe a little all purpose cleaner if extra dirty or bug guts, ect... Now Ive learned that your 5 year coating may need to be "unclogged" after 6 months or so depending on driving habits, garage kept, ect...that was a shocker in a way, because, why can't you just wash it/take car of it and ride that 5 year coating wave? Moving forward, I will be using old school compound, polish and wax, or just apply some type of sealant and take care of it as usual. Im more willing to do a light decon on that -vs- having to do it (or pay to have it done) on a thousand dollar coating (went there too). There are just too many products out there; its confusing - just for the tires and rims, you can use at least 4 products - stuff for tires, stuff for rims, multiple and different brushes for the barrels, the face - you get my drift..so thanks for your comments - glad to know others are starting to get it - Im not bashing the industry. I continue to watch videos and learn. I love detailing; can't get enough of it!!! It's just becoming confusing due to the enormous amount of products flooding this market. Thanks!!
Good test and comparison--thanks! Yes, both products do a pretty good job of providing gloss and slickness. And I'm glad you emphasized: no, neither product is designed to compete with a wipe-on ceramic coating. They are designed to be fairly quick and easy to apply. Under normal conditions, you'll probably get one to three months of protection--depending on your specific circumstances.
I applied a so-called 9-year wipe-on Ceramic w/ Graphene coating, and it looks like I'll be lucky if I get 4 or 5 years out of it. Granted, my truck is a daily driver that is parked outside at work 5 days/week; and is subject to hot summers and cold winters. I would probably use the PAN or DIY sprays just to add a bit of a topper to my existing coating.
Im still going Griots 3 in 1 or TW Hybrid Graphene Flex. neither have ever disappointed me. super beady glossy and just lasts a long time.
Seal n shine from TW is great. And you can always put another TW product over it.
Top with Griots Ceramic Speed Shine to the 3 in1, and TW Pure Shine Misting Detailer ( graphene infusied) to the TW Hybrid Graphene Flex, after every wash !!!
I don't like to use TW cermamic hybrid solution. I always get a brown streaks. I apply only 2 sprays per panal and buff off with another microfiber towel and I still get the brown streak. I might try the seal n shine next time. I bought the purse shine 4 weeks ago. It does give mey the silky touch.
Jimbo, so much malicious intent!!!!!!
HA
You're one of the torture test OGs. I know you have your own line now, but I have always appreciated these tests that you do and channels like yours inspired me to start mine and run my own torture tests and comparisons. Keep up the good content man.
Haha - Love it man! Thanks for the support.
Just my opinion here. I watched this video to hear your take on the products, though I understand why you chose not to give a personal opinion. Great video, I subscribed! Personally, I’m a big fan of DIY Ceramic Gloss, it’s my favorite by far. Last weekend, I tried Clean’s ceramic spray on my wife’s car, and it was impressive. I’ll need a few more uses to form a solid opinion, but so far, it’s a very good product. Not the absolute best, but definitely among the top options out there.
The biggest reason for not giving my opinion is people say I’m bias because I have my own product brand. So I try to let the test do the talking and let people connect the dots.
@@autodetailingpodcast I understand. I will look into your line of products. Looking forward to your future videos. Take care!
@@onecoldgamer6022
So in your opinion, what spray sealant do you feel is better than Pans spray sealant and in fact the best one,
Looks like the claim of being “The Best” should be downgraded to being “As Good As”!
*relabeled as
@@brythanaustinthis
"The best" doesn't imply the best as chemical resistance. There are many other metrics which sealants could be measured by.
@@themikeroberts The only metrics I care about are durability, gloss, and ease of application. To me the Clean product was only “as good as” in all three!
@@justlovethisgame3537They’re much better than average. The chemicals sprayed and wiped on the painted surface aren’t chemicals that one would normally use there. As far as resistance to the elements they work great.
Im lovin that Ryobi blower. It does the job we need it to do and it small. Our big boi blower to a backseat. We use it for the cracks and crevices and for the wheels. Easy work.
Great video. I had been “old school” until recently. Grew up during the muscle car era (Boss 302, 455 Trans Am) prior to today’s clear coat. So am really interested in the advancement of car detailing. Thanks for the comparison and will check out more of your videos. One comment - glad to see the nitrile gloves, but give some consideration to ear protection.
Definitely- I usually have headphones in when not recording a video. Thanks for watching.
What's the purpose of the one glove if you keep touching everything including the glove with your bare hand?
Haha! I couldn’t get the other one on because my hand was wet.
MJ flashbacks
Poor excuse you should have dried your hand before you started the chemical test @@autodetailingpodcast
@@autodetailingpodcastenjoyed the test and your channel
Do you have a Gloss meter, if so, it would be much appreciated if you include the before and after readings of what your reviewing, besides Hydrophobics and Chemical resitance.
Great idea!
Super idea!
LoL everyone getting on Pan for saying his is the best but what did you expect him to say? He's products are the 3rd best? I mean even Jimbo says his products are the best. Everyone is always gonna say their products are the best. They'd be stupid not to as they are trying to sell their products.
100% agree
Which is why there ought to be clear distinction between sellers and reviewers.
I agree but that’s why they can’t“ review” their own product and give a good review of it, it’s like asking a parent how good their kid is at sports, even if they are trying to be honest it’s thru rose colored glasses
@@Brandon-Peake Yes and I think we all agree that putting his and Detail Co's products in his Best of the Year video was a big mistake but its a live and learn situation. But people are acting like Pan kicked their dog or punched their mom in the face.
i wouldnt buy anything from pan, as he has been nothing but a paid shill for so long, he has become untrustworthy.
Think I will stick with my Stoner Hybrid Ceramic Detailer. It just works for me. 🇨🇦👍👍
Like the comparison of the two products. But Hard as Shell generally puts them to shame torture test wise. Have you thought about doing a torture test comparison of Pan's 3 or 8 year ceramic coating versus the already completed test you did on Gloss Boss? BTW like your new pistol grip spray nozzle, where did you get it at?
Thanks for the feedback! I’d love to do a head-to-head torture test with my products-it would be interesting to see the durability differences side by side. However, in this industry, companies can be quick to lawyer up when they feel like their products are being challenged, especially if they don’t hold up as well. So, to avoid any unnecessary legal headaches, I try to steer clear of direct “torture tests” with my brand vs other brands as much as possible.
@@autodetailingpodcast So do a stand alone test and refer to Gloss Boss as “Another Brand”.
Wise words!👍@@autodetailingpodcast
I checked the prices and the Clean spray was listed at $23.99. the DIY spray is normally $20.00 but they are having a 25% off sale so, it's now $14.99. even without the sale, I did not see a $3.00 to$4.00 price difference.
Another informative video. Jimbo, will you be at SEMA this year?
Probably not
Nice test and not biased to any of this product. I want to see this between Koch Chemie Spray sealant against any of this spray sealant as well.
I’ve been using SPS Graphene Detailer for a few months now by a SPS coatings company. Claimed durability 4 plus months. But I could care less, the ease of use is amazing. Even in direct sun it works without streaking.
100%. An easy to use product that doesn’t streak is gold.
Great job sharing your honest thoughts and opinions, Jimbo! Keep up the great work!🫡
Thanks guys!
Completely random question.... What hose nozzle are you using?
Jimbo would love to see you review Apex Surface Protection Blue Collar 3 and compare to these as well as to Tough as Shell. I imagine them all to be very similar but would love to know your perspective. Love your videos!
Thank you! I’ll look into it.
Only his friends who have exposure and free products have stated that they are, not even the best in the world, but... up there with the best, which could be alongside another dozen or so brands ... Carpro, Koch, Labocosmetica, Armour, G Techniq, and Bilt Hamber. To name just a few !!
A very general statement to make without siding either way to avoid upsetting someone who is their friend or who they look up to for personal gain
Exactly. Well said… It’s all the same shit.
I would love to see infinity 3:1 vs ceramic gloss
Infinity is legit
Either one are great I would buy the one that cost less
I think the DIY was slightly cheaper.
We have the DIY ceramic gloss and Pans Clean Spray Sealant . Both are great by our assessment. Ease of application for both, wipe off is easy, no smearing, no streaking, evaporates great, nice gloss. I personally can’t say which one is better as I like them both. Myself nor my clients are going to be spraying these chemicals on their vehicle so it’s really irrelevant about these alleged torture tests. We specialize in applying ceramic coatings so anytime we use a spray seal like DIY, ceramic gloss or Pans sealant is typically for a topper. We don’t do that Many standalone spray sealant detail jobs.
How can i buy your products, im on mexico but this option does not show on the shiping options
In the pharmaceutical industry , when developing drug products, we do the same thing where we stress test , storing it under higher temperatures to see how fast they would degrade, to determine or project shelf-life. We also do extreme stress tests on the drug , extreme low and high pH, oxidizing agents etc , to see what impurities would come out of the drug. But they all have a reason for it.
When you apply these super harsh cleaners on the treated paint surface , obviously they would naturally degrade, as it was not meant to handle that. I mean these are detailers, not ceramic 9H coatings.
Infotainment , sure, but a bit meaningless, not informative at all. You can compare performance like beading, gloss, ease of application, etc…. These are maintenance products, which means you use it fairly regularly.
I do make sure to include the performance of beading, ease of application etc.
Exactly.
Agreed. I would say if you want to torture test the panel after application for any test using things they naturally would become exposed to would be most beneficial. Ultra hard water, mud, dirt, mag chloride, salt, high heat exposure. Cold, freezing water. Etc. The chemicals being used to "torture test" are nothing close to what they would encounter.
Jimbo, Seems a lot of children are commenting.
Unfortunately there are children in the industry and that sets it back.
Sadly they have nothing better to do with their time.
@@thesamsquatch5224 Indubitably.
@@thesamsquatch5224🎻
These 2 vs Armour detail ceramic spray sealant or a 4 way vs detail co
How about Jimbo vs DIY CG and Clean CSS? Or other top ceramic spray competitors
Jimbo’s VS everybody!!!!
I remember in older torture test videos you took just a clean damp towel and wiped it over the panel to remove surfactants if any. Why not do that in this video after washing the panel after each round?
I started to think that washing with soap would clear it off even better.
@@autodetailingpodcast Im thinking that the wet towel was awesome cause it removed any surfactant residue and I remember watching your older videos; the wet towel changed some of the water behavior quite a bit. Just my two cents, you make great videos and know whats best but my vote is for that sweet sweet wet towel.
Hi Jimbo, how do you think these two hold against tthe new ceramic sealant of Collinite, did you try that?
I haven’t tried the new stuff yet.
I'd be inclined to go for the Collinite
Forensic Detailing tested it out. Collinite Beadcoat was more durable than TW Seal n Shine when tested with Bilt-Hamber Surfex HD (highly alkaline). But the TW was slightly more durable than Beadcoat in a separate test using Gyeon Total Remover (highly acidic).
I did a 3-way test with the new Collinite spray sealant, Jimbo's Hard as Shell (HaS - original) and Griot's 3in1 on the hood of my vehicle. For ease of application: by a wide margin it was HaS, then 3in1 then Collinite. For surface feel: HaS was very smooth, 3in1 has that very noticeable carnuba-waxy feel, and my least favorite was Collinite that was a bit rough/grippy. All 3 had great water beading initially. All 3 improved gloss, but the HaS had that glass hard shine look. Durability: Collinite started failing first just after 2 months followed shortly thereafter by Jimbo's HaS. Griot's 3in1 is still going strong. I will be giving the Collinite away/not using again. If I get the newer Jimbo's TaS I will do another side by side with Griot's.
@@daggerNC86 I applied Collinite Beadcoat on one half of my car, Xpel Ceramic boost on the other half. And on my 2nd car I applied Apex BC9 throughout. After 2 months the Xpel failed while the Collinite is still going strong. The Apex BC9 still going strong as well.
Are the products actually mixed and packaged in the same factory. I've said since the beginning that Pan probably partnered with the same corporation to release these products
I meant to say “shipped from the same factory”. I have no idea where either are blended.
Was just about to ask. He mentioned they were made in the same place, and I'm curious how he would know? I know they are shipped from the same shipping warehouse, but as far as I know, no one has inside info where they were made at. Is there some sort of inside info
@autodetailingpodcast i dig your channel and enjoy your content. Unfortunately, because of a misspoke "made in the same factory" vs shipped from the same warehouse, people will misconstrue that to be the case. I believe this is one of the ways all the wrong stuff is spread about anyone's products, and people just repeat what they heard. Could Pans products be his original. Sure. Could they be white labeled. Sure. Only specific people really know. I don't have a care one way or another but I do like info that's actual and fact based.
I’m working on editing that part out of the vid.
@@ConwayLStevens I really wouldn't be surprised if they were blended in the same factory, blenders can be anyone even if they're different chemists that formulated it.
I was always a little iffy about Pan but when he pushed his own product like that, I couldn't bother to watch him anymore. I just can't with that guy.
You never ever tell what your customer to think about your product. Quality, ease of use, and performance will do all the marketing for you.
very average products IMO
So what was your conclusion Jim? It’s ok to give your opinion, everyone has some bias, like myself. I love the ceramic gloss, as a topper on my coating. It seems to really pop in gloss. I use it every 4th wash. Smells tropical also.
I’d choose DIY over Pan if I had to pick between the two. Pan has a history of taking a bit too much “inspiration” from others, and his product line launch is a prime example of that. That said, both brands offer mediocre products at reasonable prices, which is why they attract so much attention. However, if you’re open to other options, there are definitely better choices available than either of these.
@ sure, I want to try anything that’s better. What should I try?
This - jimbosdetailing.com/products/hard-as-shell-ceramic-spray - use code BFCM31 and get 31% off. It’s far superior (IMO of course)
Did you notice any more gloss on either?
The Clean had a very slight edge but i mean slight, In the real world you would never notice it.
A good test between the two.
And a torture test is just that. More extreme than what you should be doing to your vehicles.
A lot of negatives in some of the comments and it’s sad to see.
Totally. Doesn’t mean either product is bad either. It’s just for fun.
Thanks for the torture test.
Thanks for watching!
puts glove on for protections.... proceeds to do all wiping with the hand that has no glove! LOL
i know...something im working on
Not surprised! So much for his 2024 so-called winners...
I was just looking for that video and could't find it
@@waynewoodrick5055 he pulled it down because of too much controversy
15:52 that water would not have sticked if u aimed at it. Btw, without calling names, take the information for what it is. People who are more close to them said that they are both the same just a different smell. Not wanna open pandoras box here… Just like the rinseless V2 is just V2 because they had problems with supplies and let another manufacturer make it now, period… Am i gonna make these claims hard? Not at all, these people have inside information and im just a random from the internet. 😊 That being said, i love DIY rinseless and also ceramic gloss. It sheets the water better than beading and keeps the car looking clean. Just the whole mystery always behind those products is something i never liked, but good to know anyway i find. DIY products just work. ;)
I am very pleas2d with the results of the DIY products and have no thought of trying the Clean line by Pan.
@@rmachetti9717 same rly. On top of that the guy from DIY is fun to listen to and gives ton of tips.
The reason for V2 DIY Detail Rinse Less Wash was to improve the product. We actually have more than one factory making it, that way we can keep up with demand. We have our own formulas, which allows us to have them made by different contract blending facilities under the supervision or our chemists. Your “inside” information is nothing more than a rumour.
@@diydetailofficial comes from one of ur C6 installers. 😊 🤷🏻♂️ edit: one of ur CERTIFIED installers. Just like where the chemists are from
Turtle Wax - Rinseless wash, incredible suds, ceramic gloss, tire dressing
3D Car Care - Gold Standard Polish (probably Owner's Pride is identical)
ECP Inc. - 3/5/8 Year Ceramic coatings, interior ceramic, interior clean and protect
Technician's Choice (ECP Inc.) - Quick Beads (TEC582 concentrate + graphite flakes + DI water)
Generic products - Iron remover (identical to Owner's Pride DeconX), All Clean (same as Owner's Pride), Panel Prep (IPA), Water Spot Remover (vinegar), Tree Sap remover (methanol).
Pads: Uro fiber
There is nothing wrong with it. But there is no need to call them rumours to keep the shine high for nothing. We all know to a certain degree how the marketing and all works, no need to keep a curtain up for people like Pan does with the best of the best.
Btw have a look at a distributor of DIY who gets lead by a bunch of people who worked for gorillaglue and set people up and ran with their money. Check the reviews and act upon. Or brand gets a bad name because of it while u perfectly simplified detailing which is nice of u all. Asterics reiniging in the Netherlands.
That's interesting. What are the names of the V1 manufacturer and the V2 manufacturer? (I ask as I prefer V1 over v2).
Thanks, jimbo, but I'll never pick up any of them, lol
What has been the best performing sealant you have tested?
th-cam.com/video/OmE-1XArSwA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LyuWNJvx5cIAd6W4 in my opinion has been the best and easiest to use.
@@autodetailingpodcastand what's the 2nd best spray sealant you've ever tested?
@@TheBreakfastLoverwould be TW seal n shine
@@autodetailingpodcast I can see that. Seal n Shine seems to be very chemically resistant when fresh, however it seems to be susceptible to... time. After 3 months or so the hydrophobics fade pretty quick.
If the results are similar then anyone who buys the more expensive one is well…..you know😂….that goes for every product…even yours😂. If a product is more expensive then it needs to CLEARLY outperform the cheaper product. That wasn’t the case here. So DIY it is.
Since it got brought up, Here’s why Tough As Shell is worth the extra cost:
1. Easy to Use - It’s simple to apply, giving you exceptional results without the hassle.
2. Unmatched Durability - Long-lasting protection that keeps your car looking its best with fewer applications (you can watch my torture test on it)
3. Unique Micro Emulsion Technology - Unlike most products, Tough As Shell is a negatively charged micro emulsion. While most (if not all) others, positively charged macro emulsions attract dust like magnets, Tough As Shell helps keep dust at bay - a game-changer in car care that most can’t offer.
And to top it off, my customer service is second to none, ensuring you get the best experience every time!
Hope that clears some things up!
@@autodetailingpodcast the issue with your spray is that there are bonafide wipe on coatings that will far outperform Hard As Shell for only a few dollars more. So if I’m gonna spend way more for yours vs DIY or Clean then I might as well buy a full blown coating.
@@BetterThanNewDetailing I understand what you’re saying. But that’s a much different conversation wipe on vs spray.
So who did the best?
Both did about the same
what no opinion on which was better ? The DIY seemed to last slightly better imo but very little in it tbh
Neither one is great. Both are mid.
Fun Fact: It’s hard to make a bad choice with detailing products these days.
Thanks for the review. Beading on both products looks average.
100%
I remember seeing a video where Yvan said the scent was red Certs (also showing his age lol)
That’s C6 Ceramics Mist
@diydetailofficial ahhh! I knew it was one of the products! My grandpa used to always have the wintergreen Certs on him! RIP Certs lol.
They are close… maybe the same blend? If I have to name a preference, I say DIY.
Seal & Shine stripe between them to show them who he's still the King please.. :).. hahaha
Haha!
Thank you for sharing
Pan’s a nob so I’ll pass anyway.
Being the clean freak I am about my rides, i would be the one parking where i didnt have to go through the water going through the parking lot 😂😂!! 🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️😆 I know, ppl on the Internet 😂!!!
You and me both!
Gotta get more super soaper next month already
Watch out pan might sue😂
Really?!? For what?
@@autodetailingpodcastGreasy Pan is fighting back tears and having imaginary arguments in his shower about how hard he will “own” his “haters” aka anyone who doesn’t post reviews saying his product is the BEST EVER 😂 What @calvertschmued2920 meant to say was that if Pam the Advertiser gets exposed again he might actually have a public meltdown
Gotcha. Give it time then. I’m sure he will be commenting on this thread.
"CLEAN"...👎👎👎👎
It works great actually
@@miggs80Clean by Pans spray sealant is legit. Ease of application, removal is easy, great gloss, clear coat feels slick afterwards. Solid choice
@@ericgoodman9509 Have you tried Pan’s spray polish? I’m interested in trying it for my next paint correction vehicle.
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Been through 4 bottles of Pans Spray Polish sir. Its very nice. 3 passes at speed 5 on your DA cuts and finishes down fast. Solid stuff.
@ Thanks. I’ll buy it now then since I have some confirmation now on it.
I was close to getting that Ryobi blower but not after this video. Jeez that thing is average.
It works well for what I need it to do. Especially these test
Pan has a stereo worth over $200,000, he is making money like everyone else
Awesome! Good for him.
The Canadian snake oil salesman challenge.
Huh? Ceramic spray sealants are FAR from "snake oil" and Yvan doesn't tout DIY Detail Ceramic Gloss around like Pan did with his new products. But ok boomer.
@@Dead__Byte Snake oil is actually incredibly hydrophobic.
Seeing the SDS sheets they’re definitely not snake oil.
These tests are far more extreme than what you should be doing to your vehicle.
Unfortunately this negativity is the downside of the industry
Snake oil as in it's not as good and he boasts it is. At the end of the day they are just spray sealants. They aren't designed to be like a full blown coating, they're easy to apply and can both be used as a drying aid to re apply, UV and hydrophobics are good enough for most people.
Chem-X SnakeOil is actually one of the most durable foam and rinse sealants out there. Just as good if not better than Carpro HydrO2Foam and Labocosmetica Revitax.
Sorry whats the point we watch theses tests to find out which one you think is best as then we can still make our own mind up your should give us your opinion and you should put the links for the others ceramic spray sealant tests and why not give us your opinion on which ceramic spray sealant is the best as your supposed to be an car detailing expert that's the main res we watch TH-cam channels instead of keeping us guessing and then we still can make our own minds up
This is my favorite: amzn.to/3BVy0Ju
I second your solid point.
Come on…no opinion? I just spent 20 minutes watching the video for an opinion.
Have you ever used Dawn dish soap or Tide in a torture test. I saw some TH-camr saying you could use Dawn to wash your vehicle. This 2024 not 1974, crazy stuff out there on TH-cam.......lol
I haven’t tried that
Actually gyeon wants you to use dawn as a prewash b4 applying their ceramic pro line .
In the real world your never going to put a wheel cleaner fallout on to wash after you put on a sealant.
To do a proper real world test then your going to more than likely use some sort of bug remover on your maintenance wash...mabey first try a citrus pre wash then an APC and then a bug remover,tar and glue remover and work your way up to the fallout and panel wipe
The torture test are simply one way to test products. They simply give us a standard test to gauge products. More times then not it has been accurate for how the product perform in the “real world”.
Vous être donné beaucoup de trouble le contraire m’aurait surpris .
Deux Amis comme Pan et Yvan
Je Pense que les deux produits ont les mêmes recettes
Je pense aussi que la plus part des produits d’esthétique ont sensiblement les mêmes performance .
Pourquoi les clients choisiraient un produit à un autre
Performance équivalant , c’est le prix qui va faire la différence .
Merci pour votre effort .
Thanks for watching.
Any money they are the same product. DIY has an "8 year" coating and sprayable polish, now Pan has the same😅. I asked Pan who actually makes his products as you know he didn't build his own facility. No answer of course😅.
@@patb5266 he's just copying Yvan and Nick's MO. They may not be the same pricing but their structure is his go too guideline
I've noticed Yvan doesn't comment on his product line videos anymore. No more congrats or anything.
You have to be really stupid to think they're the same products. Offense meant.
I asked DIY detail on their channel but didn't a response or maybe they havent seen the question if the CLEAN product if its essentially a rebranded product from DIY Details or made from the same blending factory, cause used both and noticed the similarity and i told him as per Pans statement that he has his OWN team of chemist and mixes his product. And this test confirms by friends claim hence i owe him lunch tomorrow as we made a bet prior if someone tests both products side by side, damn didnt know itll be this soon , i thought will play around until.
I don’t think any brand would admit to something like that. What’s for lunch?
@@1kontrabida and you won't get a response from DIY about it.
Pan's already jumped down his unveiling video, that he probably partnered with the same parent company, and that it's just a rip off of DIYs product structure.
They may not be the exact same formulations but doesn't mean they are mixed/manufactured and packaged by the same company, or
@@autodetailingpodcastObssesed garage, extreme solutions are just a few who claims BB blnding private labels for them, bottom line to formulate ur own product it takes a lot of time , money and most importantly R&D and licensing ie patent. But Pan presented hisClean products as if he has his own team that works day and night to produce the best products, was disingenuous and misinforming the public didnt sit well with me, because i was one of those that believed. Thats why lunch is best served cold lol!
@@gtileo Pan is just that guy that is not.
@@1kontrabida - yup! I’ve actually worked with OG on his soap. I’ve played in the blending “sandbox” for many years and I’m well aware of the games that are played.
Neither
Clean is relabelled, diy detaili products.
many are suspecting this, but do we have proof?
False
@@autodetailingpodcast
Of course they have no proof. It’s just made up.
At least your honest not bought, sold, and conmen like those 3 clowns. They jumped on the ego maniacs team first chance they got.
Both an almost the same.
Why too much hate for CLEEN? Don’t like it don’t buy it.
Create your own .
I have my own already. No hate at all. Just doing demos as I have for years.
"This is not super hydrophobic... so this is what you can expect... after... you know."
Use your words. After an extreme torture test.
From video can't tell a difference in shine or gloss. Nobody torture test their car paint. I don't understand the point of these videos. I use a product for how it makes my car look. This videos provides no useful information.
thats kinda the point, there isnt much difference between these two products.
7 days curing time FK
That was just for me. Neither brand says you have to do that. Just wanna be clear.
Torture tests are such a joke.
Why?
Cheap shot
LOL
Nice test and not biased to any of this product. I want to see this between Koch Chemie Spray sealant against any of this spray sealant as well.