I try to tell people that the Puerto Ricans that were around Black Americans were Afro-Puerto Ricans and we were raised to appreciate Black American culture. The pale skin Puerto Ricans came later. Hip Hop is completely Black American culture.
😂😂😂😂 that's stupid it was one of the 5 Burroughs.learn your shit.it was a DJ that was black and a DJ that was Puerto Rican and cuban.not fucking black .And Caribbean .then everything was founded together.Latinos was in the door same time it was made.tired of hearing that hip hop is black owned.go through 20 of the oldest rappers bet you they were there.Big pun,fat Joe,George lamond,Diamond,chino XL,Disco Wiz.,kurious,All latin and Puerto Rican descent!!!
Our conflict as Black Americans, we embrace everybody even the outcasts yet nobody embraces us. Cool to rock wit us in secret then condemn in public. Smh we gotta learn from our misplaced sympathies n compassion We having OUR history rewritten AGAIN in real time.
The furious 5 was the catalyst for Hip-hop. They made it professional, they made it dope, they gave it its NAME, they were the innovators. FIRST PROFESIONAL writers.
@Lyfted-j6g I know that. What's the purpose of his heritage? He created his theory in NY. He went through the Bronx garbage bins developing his science, he perfected his technique in South Bronx projects. Wait, did he dj parties in Barbados in the 70s? He brought that to the states?
Real talk! I was born in 1967. And rap started from old school soul music like James Brown, Funkadelic, Heat Wave! Commodore, The Temptations, Ohio players, The Manhattans, EARTH wind and fire, Blue Magic, etc..... o and less not forget DOLAMITE! RUDY RAYMORE! this is the foundation of rap! So FAT Boy Joe needs to stop the lies and trying to steal our heritage like these slavemasters done which we will not allow.
He ain't lying about Bronx Little Italy. I grew up not too far from there on East Tremont. And if you walk through Little Italy as a black person back then you better run for your life! You will get chased by some italiano kids. But anyway, as far as rap music is concerned, black youth have always dominated the art form. Blacks were the creators. The Puerto Ricans contributed, but they were not at the forefront. The Puerto Ricans were part of the "hip hop culture" with the break dancing and the graffiti. But as far as the rap music and DJ was concerned the blacks were the driving force of the hip hop movement. Yes hip hop is primarily a black culture! It was created by black people.
@@EVERLASTING12000 I agree with you. It's just the part of the Bronx I grew up in the Puerto Rican seem to gravitate toward breakdancing. I was a break dancer growing up, And most of US were black. But yeah I believe the FBA created breakdancing too.
What he is saying is not really making sense and some of it is not even relevant. 1) Why bring up "Black" people being all over the world with no one place we migrated from? 2) If Black people were all over the world then that means they or we were in the Caribbean as well. How were the Caribbean people minus the Latinos different from the Black Americans? What dances were people doing in the 1970s in the BX?
What are we calling Hip Hop? Is Hip Hop just rapping? From my understanding or misunderstanding Hip Hop is rapping or Emceeing, breakdancing, graffiti, beat boxing. Now somehow the official story of the birth of Hip Hop has been a Jamaican immigrant DJ and his North Carolinian homeboy put together the Hip Hop format of DJ on the turntables mixing while the MC spits rhymes and the B-boys and B-girls do their thing. Kool Herc was the DJ. Coke La Rock was the MC.
Rio Rio. Grandmaster Flowers and Pete DJ Jones was extending breaks already, herc also named his way of extending breaks the merry go round he wasn't a good DJ Flowers and Jones were the first turntablists. Trying to give all the credit to Herc is the problem herc added so did Flash, but we can see it was on purpose 3 caribbean got exalted and FBA pioneer who predate Herc ate left out? Yall saying anything to get clout yall assimilated into our culture. Trying to claim the " merry go round" was the key component is off. Hercs claim to fame is he brought it other cultures. How he created it? Breaks were being extended the music funk soul, jazz is ours, the slang is ours, the swag the dances is ours..nothing came from Caribbean so why even say he was jamaican unless you want ALL the clout...it's sad yall don't get it. We have cultural conuity with hip hop no one else have that. You whole statement is disingenuous
This is the wildest conversation I never imagined. I mean even Bkack Caribbean folk are trying to sideline us in our own party. It's an argument easily sliced open with Occam's razor: if it was their shit it would contain overwhelming elements of their original cultures. Crazy times we living in...
When you listen carefully to KRS, you'll notice that he is the biggest liar hip-hop has ever produced.. He should be banned from talking.. This guy was literally running around telling people that Flash invented the crossfader... SMH
The best thing that could have happened to Hip Hop is Microphone Check!! The reason is that the FBA community is finally telling their own history/story and not somebody else telling our story!
If the documentary was talking about truth. It would be free for all to see. But i understand that if you pay human beings to change the narrative of something. You gotta sell the product, otherwise its just money burnt.
I wanna see Tariqs blackbook. His burners or atleast his throwups. Id like to see his rhymebooks because i know myself i have alot of those. Be amazing to hear his dj mixes or blends. Is there some videos of him beatboxing? And if you could find me a video of tariq atleast uprocking, i would love to see it.
@@zneyvermachogrande778 Not sure what you talking about. I saw and paid for the documentary. It was well done and very informative. I have since shared copies of it with many others! So, I guess the free part is kind of working it self out as we pass it out to our family and friends like we did back in the day with hip hop cassette tapes.
@@bigwill8773buying a documentary that changes the narrative of something that has been made countless other documentaries about the same thing before. I would never do. But i understand what they trying to do its pretty damn obvious
Rahiem should start from where he came in to being an MC and his early influences. The DJ Kool Herc story is not some one man on an island by himself starting a culture all alone!!
I always said James Brown the "Big Payback "was the first real introduction to hiphop lyrics and music he was making beats was already hitting hard 🫡🎤🎧🥁🪘🎹🎸🎺🎻🎵🎼🎶
@Lyfted-j6g But in the eyes of America he was black and identified and carried his self as so just go look at his early up bringing none of that other stuff made a difference 🤔
@mikesenoj720 and I don't believe that most of you clown claiming FBA. You all need to prove it with real proof not just waking up one day and suddenly your FBA when your whole life you been African-American GTFOH!
Bx n cali …I was born in 1972 In The bx , camp lo ,nice n smooth ,kid capri ,slick rick is from my area of the bx ,this whole nonsense is sad ,Latins did not have a hand in early rap ,if anything thee truth should be told Latins doing rap were hated on not only by blk but other Latins ,I’m 3 rd generation & in 88 my dj was Puerto Rican and he’d get major heat for not doing salsa they’d call it Moreno music ,notice how no one could sit and build on this with lord Jamar ..hmmmm but instead fat joe corny self had to name call ..smh when facts is Latins were not saying nixxa till mid to late 80 s or it’d be a fight ….FBA …NYC ..CALI …2025
Is the argument that Latinos created it or they were involved early on? If you look up the origin of Hip Hop right now Latinos are not given sole credit. Caribbean people no, African Americans no. All three are given credit.
Bullshit. Any documentary about nyc gangs from the 60-70’s, not only shows Hispanics and blacks in the same gangs, but also used the word nigga back then as a term of endearment with each other. A simple search of the “ghetto brothers” on here would prove my point.
Born and raised in the Bronx the first time I ever witnessed a B -Boy someone break dancing was in 74 on Tiebout Ave in the Bronx . I've seen the beginning of Hip Hop and it was only called the Jam lol we was going to the School Jam 😊 real talk.
I don’t think they started musically hip-hop, but I do believe they were heavily involved in dance and graffiti. Those are the other aspects of hip-hop that everyone forgets about and just concentrate on the music. If Kool Herc is from Jamaica and he learned DJinging from his Jamaican dad how Jamaicans, not then involved with the formation of hip-hop
@@each1teach1academy43You can’t even really say dance either because Popin, Lockin, Wacckin was on the West Coast from FBAs too; almost no Carribean out there at the time and still very little. They were alongside of the B-Boys (Breakers) that came later. When you saw Breakers you also saw them Pop, Lock or Wacck. This is all FBA culture not immigrant culture.
Italians hated Black people in Brooklyn, too, during my time as a youth. You couldn't walk through an Italian neighborhood. Even in the day time, like Raheem said.
Listen...I'm from the bronx. And I was around for rap/hip hop at its inception. There were no Jamaicans or Puerto Ricans involved I'm the creation of it. They played parts in it. Also, rap/hip hop did NOT start in the south either with black or FBA quartet groups singing or rhyming words over a beat. Just because one is rhyming words over a beat doesn't make it rap/hip hop. Rap in hip hop is in the context of the song. Rappers from the bronx who stated it all bragged about how nice they were on the mic. How wack their opponents rap was. They bragged about their block or crew they were apart of...and that was the gist of it when it came to early rap. Whether it was a solo artist or a rapper in a group. Rap/ hip hop started in the 70s in the bronx NYC!!
American music forms: Spirituals,, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country,, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented Black American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly.. Latinos -- puerto ricans particularly -- explain how you created or co-created yet another installment in the legacy of Black musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't create or co-create any of the elements of the 14 or so Black American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of Black American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout any of this or even prior to the 14 or so Black American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans created or co-created Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by fraudsters like derrick colon, radical latino, fat joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos. And these of course are claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during Rap and Hip Hop's inception during the early 1970's). Latinos/puerto rican claims of "50/50--half & half creation and co-creation just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--as they should've been. Moreover, the hateful and many times racist criticism directed at Black American youth by the racist white media over having created Rap and Hip Hop -- latinos -- particularly puerto ricans -- and jamaicans NEVER came forward to denounce the vicious onslaught---yet 50 years later you want to take credit for this FBA art form that you did not create...
"Folk Music" was not created by FBA. Folk Music is something that all cultures have. Now as far as Country Music that was not created by FBA either. Country Music gets confused with Blues which African Americans did create and even that is something I have trouble saying. The reason being that the Blues scale is something that came out of Africa what African Americans did was to take from their African heritage and combine that with influences that came from Europe.
Scottish people especially Lowland Scots and English people on the border of England and Scotland brought their musical traditions with them. The Banjo 🪕 is an African instrument that those people adopted from enslaved Africans. Now does their adoption of an African or African based instrument mean they got Bluegrass from Black people?
As far as Jazz being created by FBA. This is another one I have a problem with. Here's why Jazz developed in Louisiana. When did it develop though? What is known is that you had the French rule Louisiana and you had the Spanish who briefly ruled it. These Europeans made European style music while their slaves made African style music. Louisiana was not a part of the original 13 colonies. It had a different law system from the US. It had a different majority language and different majority religion. Louisiana was foreign. Even the way races were classified was not the same. Actually racial classification today is not what it was in the 1800s.
So anyway you had European music and you had African music. There was also a significant number of mixed race people who were familiar with both and those mixed people mixed up the music into what we call Jazz. You also had definite Latin American
Latinos didnt create hip hop, but did create a subgenre based off of hip hop called freestyle, where Latino artists sang over the Planet Rock beat, which became its own distinct lane, and was quite popular.
There's a ton of confusion and it starts with disco rap vs hip hop. Both genres back then used rapping as their premise. Disco rap was known throughout the country. Disco rap records were being made in other states such as California, Florida and Texas to name three. This music although it contained rapping was more disco music oriented using fast BPM's. Harlem hip hop on the other hand was more R and B like mixed with funk and new wave using both slow and fast BPM's. The original hip hop records that were made came from Harlem NY with groups like The Treacherous Three, The Crash Crew, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, the Original Sweet T, Spoonie G, The Sugar Hill Gang, Kurtis Blow. After the Sugar Hill Gang performed at the Grammy's in 1980 I believe, from that point on the music was unofficially labeled hip hop until 1982 when it was then reintroduced to the public as a now corporately recognized American musical genre. (although Kurtis was on a major label he comes from Harlem) Note: Not all of the aforementioned hip hop groups and their members who signed deals with the record companies based out of Harlem lived there. Some of them came from the Bronx, Mount Vernon, Yonkers and New Jersey. Sugar Hill and Enjoy records to name two were the pioneering independent hip hop record labels that existed before 1982. The problem arises in that in 1982 for some odd reason the music business itself decided to designate the Bronx not Harlem as the home of hip hop and then appointed Afrika bambaata as the Godfather of it vs Silvia Robinson as the Godmother. They figured they didn't want a so called black woman in the position of being a major player and a potential threat to the major labels. The music industry Tommy Boy Records Tom Silverman fused disco/disco rap and Harlem hip hop into one genre generalizing and stereotyping the two different musics as being one thing and labeled it hip hop. They then used the mainstream media to sell the narrative we are all familiar with today. Because certain sections of the country were familiar with disco rap the major labels were able to sell the rebranded hip hop to a larger audience than just NYC that included an overseas one. The remixed version replaced musical instruments with a beat box, keyboards, digital delays used as samplers, turntables and a mixer. It also introduce us to dance groups like Freez, Planet Patrol, Strafe, Malcolm McClaren, Tom Tom Club, Deborah Harry and others who were not part of the original Harlem hip hop but are more affiliated with disco and or dance music. Also the rebranding included a cult (Zulu Nation) and a leader (Afrika Bambaata) that dictated what hip hop was vs what it wasn't and the followers and fans would follow it because it was being sold by the music business as a street culture. Silvia Robinson nor Billy Robinson weren't thinking on that level. Those who grew up listening exclusively to the rebranded version from 1982 on til today are made to think it comes from the Bronx and those who push that it does do so for one or two reason and that is as they were growing up they mistakenly generalized and stereotyped both forms of music as being one and the same and or they do it for business purposes by romanticizing and selling the narrative that was created by the music business and the mainstream media for survival money.
3:03 I fully agree with him at this time stamp here because he is absolutely correct that so-called Black people didn’t just come exclusively from Africa. We were from the Earth and every part.
All Black people do not come from Africa? That isn't scientifically true. In addition having stopped it at 3:10. He's of Puerto Rican descent which is HIGHLY connected to the Continent. This doesn't seem like an an honest conversation. Puerto Ricans like him Even if born in Puerto Rico are Black Americans IF you want to hold onto the Colonial titles "American" and "African". No. In addition ALL of us know that this wasNOT an argument until this century and the main ones complaining are cats who got no pub back Then. We know this is cointelpro monitored and C.I.A. infiltrated. The industry. Not Hip Hop. NO Puerto Rican had a problem with it being a Black form of music because Puerto Rican culuture is constituted of Blacks as WELL as others..like th U.S.. This theory about the Blacks being everywhere at one time at the beginning of Humanity doesn't make scientific scence. Every CULTURE taken in a lab Starts at a point of origin and grows outward. I Had to stop at that point because everything else after THAT is based on magical thinking. This is a bad look for Rahiem and has Nothing to do with the point that Puerto Ricans were There in the beginning as HE is of Puerto Rican descent.
We as black people know how to have serious conversations about bullshit and no conversation about our real problems This should be a fun debate not a race against race hate debate. We crabbing right now
The origin of hip hop is a null and void topic. The real issue is what demographic has been the largest consumers of hip hop since the 90s...which is the driving force behind what the music has become. It ain´t Black, FBA, Latinos or Caribbean folks. Notice that conscious, uplifting, political hip hop hasn´t been mainstream since 88-89, except for a few songs here and there. HINT: Vanilla Ice dropped his album in 1990 and it topped the charts ¨ the title To the Extreme; it became the fastest-selling hip hop album of all time[7] and "Ice Ice Baby" was the first hip hop single to top the Billboard charts.¨ and Iggy Azalea: ¨With these hits, Azalea became the second musical act (aside from the Beatles) to rank at number one and number two simultaneously on the Hot 100 with their debut releases on the chart.[7][8][9] Now see, this is a problem. Who cares about the origin when a white person drops a hip hop album and instantly soars to the top the charts setting records. White rappers who can´t even rap.
sir, puerto rican's were there but they were there to learn they were spectators i am in my seventies and i remember how puerto rican's use to dress, dance and when they drove low riders then when they started hanging around black men they changed they hung around black men to learn what black men do and how they do it and there is nothing wrong with that i think big joe wants attention and everyone wants to go down in history for something
"Sir you are talking about the puerto ricsns that came from the Island the puerto ricans that were born here did not dress like that." ---@@Nyc0629 This was what you all were dressing like and listening to. th-cam.com/video/mWkqJRoCTK8/w-d-xo.html
3:03 I fully agree with him talking about us being for more than one place than Africa. This is why I say that I am a Native of the Western hemisphere.
@@yolandahughes2205 OK…… I gave you the thumbs up on your comment because you and I are not saying anything different from each other. I corrected and reclaimed my proper nationality back in 2008.. I got rid of the slave name and took on a native name.. I did that the common law way . I proclaim to be an indigenous Moorish American with native roots in the Western hemisphere. On the record for the record. I do know that we are the first natives of this land.. I know the difference between the Iroquois and the Algonquin. In these hills of North America, the Algonquin tribes are the dark skinned people with kinky hair. ✌🏾🤚🏾🇲🇦
@@yolandahughes2205 we are the mound builders…. Which, of course, precursor the step pyramids in these pre-Americas, which precursor those 80 something pyramids Kemet now known as Egypt. 🇲🇦🫡
Respectfully speaking there's no way you can sit at the round table with fat Joe and crazy legs and them walking out of the meeting with a changed mind. With this subject of discussion and perhaps real life they are the equivalent of George Zimmerman
So, I’m confused 🤔…. He clearly says that Hip Hop started with Kool Herc, a JAMAICAN DJ, throwing a party for his little sister. He then goes on to say that Kool Herc started doing parties and observed b-boys and girls reacting to breaks, thus leading to break beats, a foundational staple in Hip Hop. So yall mean to tell me that it makes sense for him to then divorce the man from his heritage, simply because he didn’t “act Jamaican,” and say that Jamaicans were not practitioners of the art in the early stages?!?! That makes sense to yall?!?! This is a stupid and divisive argument that threatens to further undermine the black race in general 🤦🏾♂️.
@ yeah, we got our music from us too. I don’t think that’s the point. Who engaged in the act of digging in the crates and taking that music and creating a new sound with it? The children of NYC, which happened to include Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans……not black people from all over America, who seem to be yelling this FBA garbage the loudest. Lastly, why you 🥷s so quick to start fights with your own but still slaves? Same fools here arguing this FBA garbage are the same dudes who’ll sit up here and debate that Eminem is the best or one of the best rappers ever. How’s that for disrespecting the Originators? 😑🤷🏾♂️🤡🤡🤡🤡
There were already Black American DJs before him. Jamaicans did not create hip hop or rap and neither did Puerto Ricans. This is pathetic. The Black British gospel group who sang SAM COOKE’s “ Stand By Me” for Prince Harry’s wedding? They are getting ready to make a gospel album. Are they then going to say it came from them? Where did reggae come from?🤣😂
@@miguelnoche1867this isn’t the point. That’s one very small thing here. Hip hop and rap were created by Black Americans. Honest people know this. But the fact that this is even an argument now is the proof we needed to show our people whom we were trying to get to see how West Indians move and that they are neither friends nor allies which is a GOOD thing.
Being from the Castle Hill, Soundview, Monroe, Bronxdale area in the early 1970's - 71-72-73 and never did this brother hangout in this part of the Bronx. Maybe in his later years he was given a green light to come through. We won't debate the matter of who was the first to kick off the hip hop culture, but I will say that in 1971-73 Kool herc, nor Grand Master flash crew was seen at any Disco King Mario/Bronxdale parties nor Africa Bambaata joints in Bronx River.
My question. Why in the "F" are some of our people trying to give the black culture over to Latinos. Salsa is an african love dance, but I guarantee you will never hear a Latino say that. If puerto ricans created hip hop or was a big influence in our culture, then where are the global puerto rican rappers?
@NicoleTaylor-zx3hg 😂😂😂😂😂😂 you're fighting a stupid fight, who cares who created. Big deal but Puerto Ricans/ Jamaicans/ etc. Enhanced the culture and help bring it to where it is today. Answer me this, if black Americans only created hip hop culture, why is it that most of the best ever rappers aren't as you say black americans? Mainly the best rappers are Jamaican. Should I name them. Then you have Big Pun/ Eminem, are they black. No doubt black Americans created rapping, but as a whole we all created the culture as you know today. All in all we all fighting something that none of us own. The Jewish people own hip hop go fight them and take ownership or keep doing what they want us to do keep creating division among ourselves and stay at the bottom by creating but never owning!!!! You're doing great at that. Keep up the good work
Base on everyone story Jamaicans and black Americans created hip-hop. I saw the BET 50th Hip Hop Awards and they all gave credit to Cool Herc . I even saw stories of people saying there was no party like a Cool Herc Party. If that’s the case what was he doing differently to make his party the best? Much respect to Mr X and Dr King for giving Marcus Garvey who is Jamaican his flowers 💐. All because this black man was not born in America there trying so hard to take away what he did for the culture. If that is the case why aren’t all black Americans from that era is not going against what he did. Why did black Americans keep an Award show in the honor of Cool Herc . It is obvious that man done something great.
Please show me a video where any Puerto Ricans that were there within the beginning of hip hop say they originated it. because every video I've seen Puerto Rican say they have been around since the beginning and they have added to it but never said originated it or created it so that's complete BS fabricated
Its funny these outsiders trying to debate 😂😂😂 south , west , mid west . U guys got the last wave in hip-hop. 😂African American tend to view it as exclusively their own, and even Puerto Ricans and other Latinos tend to view it as "black" music. However, its birth and development were a joint creative effort of African American and Latino Afro Caribbean youngsters, particularly, Puerto Ricans.
DAMN WE NOR FAT JOE EVER SAID PUERTO RICANS STARTED HIP HOP 🤦♂THATS JUST CRAZY TO SAY HE SAID WE WAS PART OF IT...YALL LOVE PUTTING WORDS IN PPL MOUTH!
All black people came from africa. And, the reason why everyone on this planet has a black woman jn their mitochondria, is because mitochondrial eve was from africa not from everywhere else.
I’m Jamaican… Looking at this objectively, nobody in the wider world really cares about this. Just us Black people I know if a bunch of Bangladeshi, Indian and Pakistani were arguing the finer points of who started something, I can’t imagine I would give a F Jamaicans have our own thing going on already so we don’t need extra props with claims of starting hip hop because nobody can point to Jamaica on a map, but somehow you can’t go a day without hearing about Jamaica some kind of way, both inside of rap and outside in the wider world 🇯🇲 & Love and Respect to all Black people. Peace and unity✊🏾
Idk why people always talk about Jamaica when it comes to the founding of Hip Hop Until somebody shows me video evidence of a bunch of ganja-smoking rastas listening to breakbeats and rhyming over them in the 1970s and 1980s...this will always be a laughable concept
@@joecool9739 You're right, a bunch of ganja-smoking rastas would probably not be listening to breakbeats and rhyming over them, in any time period. Ganja-smoking rastas make up maybe 1.1% of Jamaica
@@joecool9739 You're right, a bunch of ganja-smoking rastas were most likely never listening to breakbeats and rhyming over them, in any time period. Ganja-smoking rastas make up maybe 1.1% of Jamaica
@@browserguy8736 IT WAS A JAMAICAN (BUSTA RHYMES) THAT STARTED THIS BULLSHIT SAYING WE BLACK AMERICANS HAS NO CULTURE KNOWING DAMN WELL REGGAE MUSIC WAS BIRTH AND WAS INSPIRED BY BLACK AMERICAN R&R SOUL! STOP THE BULLSHIT!
@@browserguy8736 In the 70s and 80s ganga smoking rastas made up the entire sound-system scene in Jamaica and Jamaican communities outside of Jamaica Guess what music they *WERENT* creating or listening to?
It’s sad our so called hip hop legends are so quick to give the credit to other races about our culture. Latinos did not help make hip hop and Eminem is not one of the Goats he is a good rapper that all.
Jamaicans has always like R nB music. And back then Americans didn't understand the style and lingo of Jamaican dialect. So if course Herc would have to play to the crowd he is playing for. If a rapper move to Jamaica or anywhere else he would have to conform to the place he is now. You cannot say rap reggae dancehall without each other simple. There more to say but leave it for another time.
What he was saying was correct to an extent especially about Puerto Ricans. If you were outcasted you hung out with black people. But where he’s wrong but he’s also right bc he said black people were everywhere bc they also spoke Spanish. Puerto Rico is a Caribbean island just like Jamaica. Does that mean Jamaicans aren’t black? He spoke on Caribbean islands and left out the Spanish ones. Now if people did some research instead of trying to take credit for everything, you would know that all Spanish countries in the Caribbean have African roots. Which guess what people, makes Spanish people like Puerto Ricans, Dominicans etc black.. Do research before you spread ignorance and cause race wars for no reason. We’re stronger together than apart. Need to stop trying to own everything for one race when that one race is universal but you don’t want to claim it. Ignorance…
Raheem just said Joe and KRS One are giving their perceptions on hip-hop from when they started in the game. Raheem has been in the game from the beginning 78-79 era.
So every rap, beat, production, pictures, fashion, and record was exclusively black people only, right? So when it was exactly that other cultures like puertoricans came in and participated? If you know for a fact how and when, then you should know when the others like white, latinos, and others came in....I wait
What we teyly need to do it take back the music from these record exec and radio people.that push only destructive derogatory songs. Back then dj play 2hat they like and created hits.
This fool ain’t from the Bronx , stop it Ya make me laugh. How much ya paid this brother We never said we started it , we said we were part of it since day 1
Nobody said latinos started hiphop lmao this new age internet shit is whack , everyone today is washedup n watered down back then it was about skills & in bx it was predominantly PUERTORICAN n black so thats the history,, now everyone a critic with race seperation tactics to Sabatoge true hiphop spirit😂 KRS ONE WILL PERSONALLY SKOO ALL YA INDIVIDUALLY & ON CAMERA
Why is no videos of krs, pete rock, fat joe and busta Replying to all the videos coming out.... Coz everyone seems to be coming out..... but not dem, just old videos of them saying "its not just blacks" .... Why they not going on these pods?? Busta in my top5, krs the teacher.... if they dnt stand up and defend the "fart" they seem to be talking...... imma lose respect for dem ( and i know either dnt know me and could care less) but im.a fan if all their fans think like me..... they will care den!!!!
It’s funny how AAs hate when others tell their story but are quick to tell US what happens in our homes/culture!!!!… Who’s the dumby that made y’all king over all other blacks!!!!!😂🤣😂🤣😂🇵🇷🇩🇴🇨🇺🇯🇲🇬🇩🇻🇨🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇿🇧🇧🇩🇲🇬🇭🇳🇬🇰🇪 etc.
If I build a house, but someone else owns it, why would I run around arguing about who built it? Be more concerned about who currently owns it. ✡️ Because neither blacks nor Hispanics own hiphop. Focus on ownership, so you can leave a legacy for your family, community and culture.
He's talking nonsense when he says the planet was "A Black Planet 1) There were different species of human on the planet at different times over millions of years 2) All humans today are one species Homo sapiens. Homo sapiens originated in Africa and had variable skin color,but most were fairly dark skinned with nappy hair initially 3) However other species migrated out of Africa into Eurasia and split into multiple species that we can't call "Black" because they were not even Homo sapiens. No matter what color they may have been. 4) There are no "Black" people up in the Arctic. There were no Black people in the Americas and if there were they must have been driven to extinction 🦤🦣. Black American culture is based on European and African culture. What ever we managed to hold onto that is not European is African abd and in some cases we blended the two. Tap dancing is an example of such a blending of European and African influences.
No my brother he's telling the truth when alot of people do they ancestry they always find out they have some percentage of black in they DNA and I was shocked recently when I saw the earlier civilizations of mexicans and Chinese and Filipinos they all were black so he is 100 percent correct do some research don't go off of your feelings
In the Bronx in New York when hip-hop was birthed Puerto Ricans lived in the same projects as blacks we made this culture together we lived in the same buildings, struggled together, bled with each other had kids with each other and everything, there is no segregation in New York regarding Latinos and blacks.
@ please nothing is create by one race especially not Hiphop you guys are delusional 😆😆😆 and look up evolving to find out the definition.. ill leave you with this peice of fact DJ Disco Wiz 🇵🇷🇨🇺 created the FIRST MIX PLATE❕ You know what that was?? if you dont you shouldn’t be talking!
It’s absolutely zero difference between African American and Caribbean people. We are the same Africans from the same places in Africa. We ALL “Get Busy”. PEACE ✌🏽
People are shaped by their lived experience. America isn’t a 3rd world country, there clearly is a difference. Jamaicans inherited land and homes from slavery while African Americans got nothing, clearly a difference.
They had slavery in the Caribbean before they had it here. The words that slaves were identified by such as Negro, Mulatto, and Sambo came from the Caribbean via the Spanish. Slaves were brought from the Caribbean to "America". Barbecue is from the Caribbean
@@HonorableSiennaThat is not even true. Most of the slave owners in Jamaica did not live there they remained in England or Britain. Some even lived in America
ALL Bullshit Bruh!! I was there too I've been with Zulu Nation Since Birth and I'm a 60's Baby and lived with everything with my Brother and Sister...That shit about Latinos not being in block Party or in street jams is all Lie's
@@angelvalle6515no it doesn’t that’s just what outsiders who want apart of it say. There’s videos of black Americans not Jamaicans or Puerto Ricans clearly rapping and break dancing
I try to tell people that the Puerto Ricans that were around Black Americans were Afro-Puerto Ricans and we were raised to appreciate Black American culture. The pale skin Puerto Ricans came later.
Hip Hop is completely Black American culture.
#Tethers crying and bitching about FBAs achievements.
😂😂😂😂 that's stupid it was one of the 5 Burroughs.learn your shit.it was a DJ that was black and a DJ that was Puerto Rican and cuban.not fucking black .And Caribbean .then everything was founded together.Latinos was in the door same time it was made.tired of hearing that hip hop is black owned.go through 20 of the oldest rappers bet you they were there.Big pun,fat Joe,George lamond,Diamond,chino XL,Disco Wiz.,kurious,All latin and Puerto Rican descent!!!
Our conflict as Black Americans, we embrace everybody even the outcasts yet nobody embraces us.
Cool to rock wit us in secret then condemn in public. Smh we gotta learn from our misplaced sympathies n compassion
We having OUR history rewritten AGAIN in real time.
The furious 5 was the catalyst for Hip-hop. They made it professional, they made it dope, they gave it its NAME, they were the innovators. FIRST PROFESIONAL writers.
@@mostmost1 Grandmaster Flash, whose real name is Joseph Saddler, is of Barbadian heritage:
Birth: Born in Barbados on January 1, 1958
@Lyfted-j6g I know that. What's the purpose of his heritage? He created his theory in NY. He went through the Bronx garbage bins developing his science, he perfected his technique in South Bronx projects. Wait, did he dj parties in Barbados in the 70s? He brought that to the states?
@mostmost1 you dumbo's are cooked! You can't have it both ways FBA didn't do sh1t by themselves F.O.H
Real talk! I was born in 1967. And rap started from old school soul music like James Brown, Funkadelic, Heat Wave!
Commodore, The Temptations, Ohio players, The Manhattans, EARTH wind and fire, Blue Magic, etc..... o and less not forget DOLAMITE! RUDY RAYMORE! this is the foundation of rap! So FAT Boy Joe needs to stop the lies and trying to steal our heritage like these slavemasters done which we will not allow.
NO THE MAN NAME IS GIL SCOTT THAT STARTED RAP MUSIC.
He ain't lying about Bronx Little Italy. I grew up not too far from there on East Tremont. And if you walk through Little Italy as a black person back then you better run for your life! You will get chased by some italiano kids. But anyway, as far as rap music is concerned, black youth have always dominated the art form. Blacks were the creators. The Puerto Ricans contributed, but they were not at the forefront. The Puerto Ricans were part of the "hip hop culture" with the break dancing and the graffiti. But as far as the rap music and DJ was concerned the blacks were the driving force of the hip hop movement. Yes hip hop is primarily a black culture! It was created by black people.
FB A created breakdancing as well.
@@EVERLASTING12000 I agree with you. It's just the part of the Bronx I grew up in the Puerto Rican seem to gravitate toward breakdancing. I was a break dancer growing up, And most of US were black. But yeah I believe the FBA created breakdancing too.
What he is saying is not really making sense and some of it is not even relevant. 1) Why bring up "Black" people being all over the world with no one place we migrated from? 2) If Black people were all over the world then that means they or we were in the Caribbean as well. How were the Caribbean people minus the Latinos different from the Black Americans? What dances were people doing in the 1970s in the BX?
What are we calling Hip Hop?
Is Hip Hop just rapping?
From my understanding or misunderstanding Hip Hop is rapping or Emceeing, breakdancing, graffiti, beat boxing. Now somehow the official story of the birth of Hip Hop has been a Jamaican immigrant DJ and his North Carolinian homeboy put together the Hip Hop format of DJ on the turntables mixing while the MC spits rhymes and the B-boys and B-girls do their thing. Kool Herc was the DJ. Coke La Rock was the MC.
@@deemoe7301Neither one created breakdancing
They don't want it cleared up .... they rather say nobody knows 4 sure so lies can be told
Black Americans EXCLUSIVELY CREATED hip hop. Hip hop is an extension of our already know cultural music.
Very so much true. It’s a black American youth invention. Stop with the nonsense
@@Rio-uv1gsYes it is.
Exactly
Rio
Rio. Grandmaster Flowers and Pete DJ Jones was extending breaks already, herc also named his way of extending breaks the merry go round he wasn't a good DJ Flowers and Jones were the first turntablists. Trying to give all the credit to Herc is the problem herc added so did Flash, but we can see it was on purpose 3 caribbean got exalted and FBA pioneer who predate Herc ate left out? Yall saying anything to get clout yall assimilated into our culture. Trying to claim the " merry go round" was the key component is off.
Hercs claim to fame is he brought it other cultures. How he created it? Breaks were being extended the music funk soul, jazz is ours, the slang is ours, the swag the dances is ours..nothing came from Caribbean so why even say he was jamaican unless you want ALL the clout...it's sad yall don't get it. We have cultural conuity with hip hop no one else have that.
You whole statement is disingenuous
@@Rio-uv1gsyou missed one. Reggae/Funk. He sampled reggae to get the boom bap. Because he couldn’t catch the disco mix. Seymour ave!!!
Latinos ain't start shit related to hip-hop.
@@smack9996 💯
@@smack9996 at all
Silly!
Jamar is racist!
Period
This is the wildest conversation I never imagined. I mean even Bkack Caribbean folk are trying to sideline us in our own party. It's an argument easily sliced open with Occam's razor: if it was their shit it would contain overwhelming elements of their original cultures. Crazy times we living in...
Kris Parker saying that bullshit stating that puerto ricas started hip hop when they didn’t like our music.
Microphone Check documentary movie debunk that shit Kris parker talking about.
When you listen carefully to KRS, you'll notice that he is the biggest liar hip-hop has ever produced.. He should be banned from talking.. This guy was literally running around telling people that Flash invented the crossfader... SMH
The best thing that could have happened to Hip Hop is Microphone Check!! The reason is that the FBA community is finally telling their own history/story and not somebody else telling our story!
If the documentary was talking about truth. It would be free for all to see.
But i understand that if you pay human beings to change the narrative of something.
You gotta sell the product, otherwise its just money burnt.
I wanna see Tariqs blackbook.
His burners or atleast his throwups.
Id like to see his rhymebooks because i know myself i have alot of those.
Be amazing to hear his dj mixes or blends.
Is there some videos of him beatboxing?
And if you could find me a video of tariq atleast uprocking, i would love to see it.
@@zneyvermachogrande778 Not sure what you talking about. I saw and paid for the documentary. It was well done and very informative. I have since shared copies of it with many others! So, I guess the free part is kind of working it self out as we pass it out to our family and friends like we did back in the day with hip hop cassette tapes.
@@bigwill8773buying a documentary that changes the narrative of something that has been made countless other documentaries about the same thing before. I would never do. But i understand what they trying to do its pretty damn obvious
@@zneyvermachogrande778 exactly it would be for free and not sold! That’s not hip-hop.
Salute ti Raheem
True hip hop legend. Much Respect. 👊
FBA WE ALL WE GOT!!!! 🇺🇸💪🏾🇺🇸💪🏾
Rahiem should start from where he came in to being an MC and his early influences. The DJ Kool Herc story is not some one man on an island by himself starting a culture all alone!!
Never thought I would see the day
"Everyone Else Saying Latinos Started Hip Hop." Who is everyone else??
@@elvinsolano6177 "Everybody else".
Hmmmm---probably tether babble.
American, Afro-Caribbean and Latino inner-city communities plagued by poverty, the proliferation of drug
FBA has created most every American genre of music including hip hop.
I always said James Brown the "Big Payback "was the first real introduction to hiphop lyrics and music he was making beats was already hitting hard 🫡🎤🎧🥁🪘🎹🎸🎺🎻🎵🎼🎶
@@mikesenoj720 James Brown's heritage was a mix of African-American, Native American, and Asian
@Lyfted-j6g But in the eyes of America he was black and identified and carried his self as so just go look at his early up bringing none of that other stuff made a difference 🤔
@mikesenoj720 he's a Teather by your logic so the creator of the breaks used to create Hip-Hop was also from Teather as your people put it
@mikesenoj720 and I don't believe that most of you clown claiming FBA. You all need to prove it with real proof not just waking up one day and suddenly your FBA when your whole life you been African-American GTFOH!
@Lyfted-j6g 🤔
Bx n cali …I was born in 1972 In The bx , camp lo ,nice n smooth ,kid capri ,slick rick is from my area of the bx ,this whole nonsense is sad ,Latins did not have a hand in early rap ,if anything thee truth should be told Latins doing rap were hated on not only by blk but other Latins ,I’m 3 rd generation & in 88 my dj was Puerto Rican and he’d get major heat for not doing salsa they’d call it Moreno music ,notice how no one could sit and build on this with lord Jamar ..hmmmm but instead fat joe corny self had to name call ..smh when facts is Latins were not saying nixxa till mid to late 80 s or it’d be a fight ….FBA …NYC ..CALI …2025
Is the argument that Latinos created it or they were involved early on? If you look up the origin of Hip Hop right now Latinos are not given sole credit. Caribbean people no, African Americans no. All three are given credit.
Bullshit. Any documentary about nyc gangs from the 60-70’s, not only shows Hispanics and blacks in the same gangs, but also used the word nigga back then as a term of endearment with each other. A simple search of the “ghetto brothers” on here would prove my point.
@@MrgoogleSearcher-d5vlook up where? Every hip-hop book has Black Americans making this art. Not no lying ass spics or gay ass jamaicans
Hip Hop is a BLACK AMERICAN CULTURAL inventiion. PERIOD!!
@@carlboston5784 There was Disco music and there were mobile DJs. What is Hip Hop actually?
Born and raised in the Bronx the first time I ever witnessed a B -Boy someone break dancing was in 74 on Tiebout Ave in the Bronx . I've seen the beginning of Hip Hop and it was only called the Jam lol we was going to the School Jam 😊 real talk.
They were def. there alongside, but I don’t believe that they started hipHop.
I don’t think they started musically hip-hop, but I do believe they were heavily involved in dance and graffiti. Those are the other aspects of hip-hop that everyone forgets about and just concentrate on the music.
If Kool Herc is from Jamaica and he learned DJinging from his Jamaican dad how Jamaicans, not then involved with the formation of hip-hop
@each1teach1academy43 True just almost saying that if Wypipo was in Ancient Egypt, why isn't there any pyramids in Europe. So you are right.
They were there in very small numbers...just participating in Black Culture
@@each1teach1academy43 Breaking...
@@each1teach1academy43You can’t even really say dance either because Popin, Lockin, Wacckin was on the West Coast from FBAs too; almost no Carribean out there at the time and still very little. They were alongside of the B-Boys (Breakers) that came later. When you saw Breakers you also saw them Pop, Lock or Wacck. This is all FBA culture not immigrant culture.
Italians hated Black people in Brooklyn, too, during my time as a youth. You couldn't walk through an Italian neighborhood. Even in the day time, like Raheem said.
Facts if they helped then they would have more to show in video and photos they act like us we don't act like them
@@race5219 you do know all those photos in hip-hop history was shot by a Puerto Rican photographer? Lol joe conzo
@@datdude10001those photos made people fans of hip-hop ❓👀👁️
@@datdude10001Microphone Check debunks all of that shit and shut that shit down.
@@CKT1249 there was tons of inaccuracies with that documentary.
@@datdude10001 nod by cares. Where are the photos of y’all rapping during the 1970s? Cuz we can show that and breakdancing in the 1970s!
Listen...I'm from the bronx. And I was around for rap/hip hop at its inception. There were no Jamaicans or Puerto Ricans involved I'm the creation of it. They played parts in it. Also, rap/hip hop did NOT start in the south either with black or FBA quartet groups singing or rhyming words over a beat.
Just because one is rhyming words over a beat doesn't make it rap/hip hop. Rap in hip hop is in the context of the song. Rappers from the bronx who stated it all bragged about how nice they were on the mic. How wack their opponents rap was. They bragged about their block or crew they were apart of...and that was the gist of it when it came to early rap. Whether it was a solo artist or a rapper in a group. Rap/ hip hop started in the 70s in the bronx NYC!!
American music forms: Spirituals,, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country,, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented Black American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly..
Latinos -- puerto ricans particularly -- explain how you created or co-created yet another installment in the legacy of Black musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't create or co-create any of the elements of the 14 or so Black American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of Black American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout any of this or even prior to the 14 or so Black American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans created or co-created Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by fraudsters like derrick colon, radical latino, fat joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos. And these of course are claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during Rap and Hip Hop's inception during the early 1970's). Latinos/puerto rican claims of "50/50--half & half creation and co-creation just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--as they should've been.
Moreover, the hateful and many times racist criticism directed at Black American youth by the racist white media over having created Rap and Hip Hop -- latinos -- particularly puerto ricans -- and jamaicans NEVER came forward to denounce the vicious onslaught---yet 50 years later you want to take credit for this FBA art form that you did not create...
Well stated, couldn’t have said it better myself.
"Folk Music" was not created by FBA. Folk Music is something that all cultures have. Now as far as Country Music that was not created by FBA either. Country Music gets confused with Blues which African Americans did create and even that is something I have trouble saying. The reason being that the Blues scale is something that came out of Africa what African Americans did was to take from their African heritage and combine that with influences that came from Europe.
Scottish people especially Lowland Scots and English people on the border of England and Scotland brought their musical traditions with them. The Banjo 🪕 is an African instrument that those people adopted from enslaved Africans. Now does their adoption of an African or African based instrument mean they got Bluegrass from Black people?
As far as Jazz being created by FBA. This is another one I have a problem with. Here's why Jazz developed in Louisiana. When did it develop though? What is known is that you had the French rule Louisiana and you had the Spanish who briefly ruled it. These Europeans made European style music while their slaves made African style music. Louisiana was not a part of the original 13 colonies. It had a different law system from the US. It had a different majority language and different majority religion. Louisiana was foreign. Even the way races were classified was not the same. Actually racial classification today is not what it was in the 1800s.
So anyway you had European music and you had African music. There was also a significant number of mixed race people who were familiar with both and those mixed people mixed up the music into what we call Jazz. You also had definite
Latin American
While we’re all on here arguing about this dumb shit, Jews still running this rap shit. As per Most Def.
Facts
Who owes PR not PRs?
@ exactly! All the more reason why we gotta stop bickering. Time to level up and own our shit.
History is dumb? And that’s the problem. Most people don’t know or care to know their history. They choose to be homogenized.
Latinos didnt create hip hop, but did create a subgenre based off of hip hop called freestyle, where Latino artists sang over the Planet Rock beat, which became its own distinct lane, and was quite popular.
Gil Scott Heron was Rapping before the 70's 😂😂😂
@@billblasst4552 copying Black Americans and rhyming over Black American music
There's a ton of confusion and it starts with disco rap vs hip hop. Both genres
back then used rapping as their premise. Disco rap was known throughout the
country. Disco rap records were being made in other states such as California,
Florida and Texas to name three.
This music although it contained rapping was more disco music oriented using
fast BPM's. Harlem hip hop on the other hand was more R and B like mixed with
funk and new wave using both slow and fast BPM's.
The original hip hop records that were made came from Harlem NY with groups
like The Treacherous Three, The Crash Crew, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious
Five, the Original Sweet T, Spoonie G, The Sugar Hill Gang, Kurtis Blow.
After the Sugar Hill Gang performed at the Grammy's in 1980 I believe, from that
point on the music was unofficially labeled hip hop until 1982 when it was then
reintroduced to the public as a now corporately recognized American musical
genre.
(although Kurtis was on a major label he comes from Harlem)
Note: Not all of the aforementioned hip hop groups and their members who
signed deals with the record companies based out of Harlem lived there. Some
of them came from the Bronx, Mount Vernon, Yonkers and New Jersey.
Sugar Hill and Enjoy records to name two were the pioneering independent hip
hop record labels that existed before 1982.
The problem arises in that in 1982 for some odd reason the music business
itself decided to designate the Bronx not Harlem as the home of hip hop and
then appointed Afrika bambaata as the Godfather of it vs Silvia Robinson as
the Godmother.
They figured they didn't want a so called black woman in the position of being
a major player and a potential threat to the major labels.
The music industry Tommy Boy Records Tom Silverman fused disco/disco
rap and Harlem hip hop into one genre generalizing and stereotyping the two
different musics as being one thing and labeled it hip hop. They then used
the mainstream media to sell the narrative we are all familiar with today.
Because certain sections of the country were familiar with disco rap the
major labels were able to sell the rebranded hip hop to a larger audience
than just NYC that included an overseas one.
The remixed version replaced musical instruments with a beat box,
keyboards, digital delays used as samplers, turntables and a mixer.
It also introduce us to dance groups like Freez, Planet Patrol, Strafe,
Malcolm McClaren, Tom Tom Club, Deborah Harry and others who
were not part of the original Harlem hip hop but are more affiliated
with disco and or dance music.
Also the rebranding included a cult (Zulu Nation) and a leader (Afrika
Bambaata) that dictated what hip hop was vs what it wasn't and the
followers and fans would follow it because it was being sold by the
music business as a street culture. Silvia Robinson nor Billy Robinson
weren't thinking on that level.
Those who grew up listening exclusively to the rebranded version from
1982 on til today are made to think it comes from the Bronx and those
who push that it does do so for one or two reason and that is as they
were growing up they mistakenly generalized and stereotyped both forms
of music as being one and the same and or they do it for business purposes
by romanticizing and selling the narrative that was created by the music
business and the mainstream media for survival money.
There isn’t a damn thing Latino about rap hip hop. Name one thing immigrant Latinos brought to the table, name one thing. Stop the nonsense
Absolutely NOTHING
Its only puerto ricans claiming that. Aint no Mexievn ever said they helped create it.
Racist bozo.
They don’t even have top 10 mc’s
@ that right there shows that you don’t know shit about shit. Go do your homework, crab. F*ck Your Life!
I REMEMBER HEARING PEOPLE SAYING THAT LATINOS OR JAMAICANS ...STARTED HIP HOP...I JUST HEARD THEM SAY THAT LATINOS WAS A PART OF EARLY HIP HOP....
exactly.
That was bullshit. Microphone Check documentary movie debunk that and shut that shit down
🗣️ say it louder for the people in the back
3:03 I fully agree with him at this time stamp here because he is absolutely correct that so-called Black people didn’t just come exclusively from Africa. We were from the Earth and every part.
All Black people do not come from Africa? That isn't scientifically true. In addition having stopped it at 3:10. He's of Puerto Rican descent which is HIGHLY connected to the Continent. This doesn't seem like an an honest conversation. Puerto Ricans like him Even if born in Puerto Rico are Black Americans IF you want to hold onto the Colonial titles "American" and "African". No. In addition ALL of us know that this wasNOT an argument until this century and the main ones complaining are cats who got no pub back Then. We know this is cointelpro monitored and C.I.A. infiltrated. The industry. Not Hip Hop. NO Puerto Rican had a problem with it being a Black form of music because Puerto Rican culuture is constituted of Blacks as WELL as others..like th U.S.. This theory about the Blacks being everywhere at one time at the beginning of Humanity doesn't make scientific scence. Every CULTURE taken in a lab Starts at a point of origin and grows outward. I Had to stop at that point because everything else after THAT is based on magical thinking. This is a bad look for Rahiem and has Nothing to do with the point that Puerto Ricans were There in the beginning as HE is of Puerto Rican descent.
We as black people know how to have serious conversations about bullshit and no conversation about our real problems This should be a fun debate not a race against race hate debate. We crabbing right now
The origin of hip hop is a null and void topic. The real issue is what demographic has been the largest consumers of hip hop since the 90s...which is the driving force behind what the music has become. It ain´t Black, FBA, Latinos or Caribbean folks. Notice that conscious, uplifting, political hip hop hasn´t been mainstream since 88-89, except for a few songs here and there. HINT: Vanilla Ice dropped his album in 1990 and it topped the charts ¨ the title To the Extreme; it became the fastest-selling hip hop album of all time[7] and "Ice Ice Baby" was the first hip hop single to top the Billboard charts.¨ and Iggy Azalea: ¨With these hits, Azalea became the second musical act (aside from the Beatles) to rank at number one and number two simultaneously on the Hot 100 with their debut releases on the chart.[7][8][9] Now see, this is a problem. Who cares about the origin when a white person drops a hip hop album and instantly soars to the top the charts setting records. White rappers who can´t even rap.
sir, puerto rican's were there but they were there to learn they were spectators i am in my seventies and i remember how puerto rican's use to dress, dance and when they drove low riders then when they started hanging around black men they changed they hung around black men to learn what black men do and how they do it and there is nothing wrong with that i think big joe wants attention and everyone wants to go down in history for something
Sir you are talking about the puerto ricsns that came from the Island the puerto ricans that were born here did not dress like that.
What pr’s drove low riders? this is not LA… this is NY culture and there wasn’t no lowriders in NY nor did our PR’s drove them!!
"Sir you are talking about the puerto ricsns that came from the Island the puerto ricans that were born here did not dress like that." ---@@Nyc0629
This was what you all were dressing like and listening to.
th-cam.com/video/mWkqJRoCTK8/w-d-xo.html
@EVERLASTING12000 this is what we're dressing like th-cam.com/video/AVzCb0lCNLk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=r-W_KlBHDn8wNiZt
@Nyc0629 I said the sixties and seventies not a movie made in 1984 where studio employees dressed the actors how they wanted them to look lol
I heard Rahiem once say he was Haitian.
What is this room he in shit looks super relaxing
So kool herc was a spectator?
Yup lol
3:03 I fully agree with him talking about us being for more than one place than Africa. This is why I say that I am a Native of the Western hemisphere.
LOOK UP THE WORD "NATIVE " IN BLACK LAW DICTIONARY,
ABORIGINAL AMERICAN OR AMERICAN INDIAN , WE WERE FIRST, NOT THE NATIVE AMERICAN
@@yolandahughes2205 OK…… I gave you the thumbs up on your comment because you and I are not saying anything different from each other. I corrected and reclaimed my proper nationality back in 2008.. I got rid of the slave name and took on a native name.. I did that the common law way . I proclaim to be an indigenous Moorish American with native roots in the Western hemisphere. On the record for the record. I do know that we are the first natives of this land.. I know the difference between the Iroquois and the Algonquin. In these hills of North America, the Algonquin tribes are the dark skinned people with kinky hair. ✌🏾🤚🏾🇲🇦
@@yolandahughes2205 we are the mound builders…. Which, of course, precursor the step pyramids in these pre-Americas, which precursor those 80 something pyramids Kemet now known as Egypt. 🇲🇦🫡
Who on the comments were alive and part of the NY urban art culture that's now called hip hop?
I saw on another blog they said Raheim is Haitian! 🤔
Respectfully speaking there's no way you can sit at the round table with fat Joe and crazy legs and them walking out of the meeting with a changed mind. With this subject of discussion and perhaps real life they are the equivalent of George Zimmerman
5:40 My parents used to tell me how they used to get chased out of little Italy back in the day for being black
I grew up in Brooklyn same thing
So, I’m confused 🤔…. He clearly says that Hip Hop started with Kool Herc, a JAMAICAN DJ, throwing a party for his little sister. He then goes on to say that Kool Herc started doing parties and observed b-boys and girls reacting to breaks, thus leading to break beats, a foundational staple in Hip Hop. So yall mean to tell me that it makes sense for him to then divorce the man from his heritage, simply because he didn’t “act Jamaican,” and say that Jamaicans were not practitioners of the art in the early stages?!?! That makes sense to yall?!?! This is a stupid and divisive argument that threatens to further undermine the black race in general 🤦🏾♂️.
Facts It’s all part of the agenda , you can’t stop someone from being Jamaican cause he doesn’t act how you feel Jamaicans should act.
FBAs diggin thru the cretes. Jamaicans got their music from us just talk to their elders : th-cam.com/video/Bw5fmB0LyiE/w-d-xo.html
@ yeah, we got our music from us too. I don’t think that’s the point. Who engaged in the act of digging in the crates and taking that music and creating a new sound with it? The children of NYC, which happened to include Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans……not black people from all over America, who seem to be yelling this FBA garbage the loudest. Lastly, why you 🥷s so quick to start fights with your own but still slaves? Same fools here arguing this FBA garbage are the same dudes who’ll sit up here and debate that Eminem is the best or one of the best rappers ever. How’s that for disrespecting the Originators? 😑🤷🏾♂️🤡🤡🤡🤡
There were already Black American DJs before him. Jamaicans did not create hip hop or rap and neither did Puerto Ricans. This is pathetic. The Black British gospel group who sang SAM COOKE’s “ Stand By Me” for Prince Harry’s wedding? They are getting ready to make a gospel album. Are they then going to say it came from them? Where did reggae come from?🤣😂
@@miguelnoche1867this isn’t the point. That’s one very small thing here. Hip hop and rap were created by Black Americans. Honest people know this. But the fact that this is even an argument now is the proof we needed to show our people whom we were trying to get to see how West Indians move and that they are neither friends nor allies which is a GOOD thing.
Puerto Rican outcasts? He is High as heck!!! 😂😂😂
How may times do we have to say the same thing, 💯 you can’t re-write history in 2024/25
Being from the Castle Hill, Soundview, Monroe, Bronxdale area in the early 1970's - 71-72-73 and never did this brother hangout in this part of the Bronx. Maybe in his later years he was given a green light to come through. We won't debate the matter of who was the first to kick off the hip hop culture, but I will say that in 1971-73 Kool herc, nor Grand Master flash crew was seen at any Disco King Mario/Bronxdale parties nor Africa Bambaata joints in Bronx River.
My question. Why in the "F" are some of our people trying to give the black culture over to Latinos. Salsa is an african love dance, but I guarantee you will never hear a Latino say that. If puerto ricans created hip hop or was a big influence in our culture, then where are the global puerto rican rappers?
FBA put some pressure on him, he's changed his whole story lol. Its all good, we know whats up lol.
Lol! Black Americans created hip hop. Pressure? Lol
@NicoleTaylor-zx3hg 😂😂😂😂😂😂 you're fighting a stupid fight, who cares who created. Big deal but Puerto Ricans/ Jamaicans/ etc. Enhanced the culture and help bring it to where it is today. Answer me this, if black Americans only created hip hop culture, why is it that most of the best ever rappers aren't as you say black americans? Mainly the best rappers are Jamaican. Should I name them. Then you have Big Pun/ Eminem, are they black. No doubt black Americans created rapping, but as a whole we all created the culture as you know today. All in all we all fighting something that none of us own. The Jewish people own hip hop go fight them and take ownership or keep doing what they want us to do keep creating division among ourselves and stay at the bottom by creating but never owning!!!! You're doing great at that. Keep up the good work
Base on everyone story Jamaicans and black Americans created hip-hop. I saw the BET 50th Hip Hop Awards and they all gave credit to Cool Herc . I even saw stories of people saying there was no party like a Cool Herc Party. If that’s the case what was he doing differently to make his party the best? Much respect to Mr X and Dr King for giving Marcus Garvey who is Jamaican his flowers 💐. All because this black man was not born in America there trying so hard to take away what he did for the culture. If that is the case why aren’t all black Americans from that era is not going against what he did. Why did black Americans keep an Award show in the honor of Cool Herc . It is obvious that man done something great.
how can somebody that cant rap start rap lol
Please show me a video where any Puerto Ricans that were there within the beginning of hip hop say they originated it. because every video I've seen Puerto Rican say they have been around since the beginning and they have added to it but never said originated it or created it so that's complete BS fabricated
🎉$alute to Raheim, by way of the Furious 5 & Big $teele🎉 Keep doing the damn thing @ O.Gangster Chronicles! Godspeed & Duces from #CaLA Be:Easy!
ALL American music comes from Gospel, and who created Gospel? I’ll wait…
This man is one of the key founders of rap. Need not say more
I see his prayer rug, Raheim is Moslem☪️ ! As- Salaamu Alaikum !🕋🕌🌴⚔️
Its funny these outsiders trying to debate 😂😂😂 south , west , mid west . U guys got the last wave in hip-hop. 😂African American tend to view it as exclusively their own, and even Puerto Ricans and other Latinos tend to view it as "black" music. However, its birth and development were a joint creative effort of African American and Latino Afro Caribbean youngsters, particularly, Puerto Ricans.
#RubbleKings is the true story of how the culture started after a gang truce.
#GhettoBrothers
#BlackSpades
#1973BronxGangs
That History Is On Point Bro, If You Go Back Far Enough In Any Culture, There's;lack Ancestry
DAMN WE NOR FAT JOE EVER SAID PUERTO RICANS STARTED HIP HOP 🤦♂THATS JUST CRAZY TO SAY HE SAID WE WAS PART OF IT...YALL LOVE PUTTING WORDS IN PPL MOUTH!
All black people came from africa. And, the reason why everyone on this planet has a black woman jn their mitochondria, is because mitochondrial eve was from africa not from everywhere else.
I’m Jamaican… Looking at this objectively, nobody in the wider world really cares about this. Just us Black people
I know if a bunch of Bangladeshi, Indian and Pakistani were arguing the finer points of who started something, I can’t imagine I would give a F
Jamaicans have our own thing going on already so we don’t need extra props with claims of starting hip hop because nobody can point to Jamaica on a map, but somehow you can’t go a day without hearing about Jamaica some kind of way, both inside of rap and outside in the wider world 🇯🇲
& Love and Respect to all Black people. Peace and unity✊🏾
Idk why people always talk about Jamaica when it comes to the founding of Hip Hop
Until somebody shows me video evidence of a bunch of ganja-smoking rastas listening to breakbeats and rhyming over them in the 1970s and 1980s...this will always be a laughable concept
@@joecool9739 You're right, a bunch of ganja-smoking rastas would probably not be listening to breakbeats and rhyming over them, in any time period. Ganja-smoking rastas make up maybe 1.1% of Jamaica
@@joecool9739 You're right, a bunch of ganja-smoking rastas were most likely never listening to breakbeats and rhyming over them, in any time period. Ganja-smoking rastas make up maybe 1.1% of Jamaica
@@browserguy8736 IT WAS A JAMAICAN (BUSTA RHYMES) THAT STARTED THIS BULLSHIT SAYING WE BLACK AMERICANS HAS NO CULTURE KNOWING DAMN WELL REGGAE MUSIC WAS BIRTH AND WAS INSPIRED BY BLACK AMERICAN R&R SOUL! STOP THE BULLSHIT!
@@browserguy8736
In the 70s and 80s ganga smoking rastas made up the entire sound-system scene in Jamaica and Jamaican communities outside of Jamaica
Guess what music they *WERENT* creating or listening to?
It’s sad our so called hip hop legends are so quick to give the credit to other races about our culture. Latinos did not help make hip hop and Eminem is not one of the Goats he is a good rapper that all.
Also not everyone has "Black" people in their history.
No equity financial lectures
Jamaicans has always like R nB music. And back then Americans didn't understand the style and lingo of Jamaican dialect. So if course Herc would have to play to the crowd he is playing for. If a rapper move to Jamaica or anywhere else he would have to conform to the place he is now. You cannot say rap reggae dancehall without each other simple. There more to say but leave it for another time.
Great point..
FBA 1st !
NO!
So he was before the sugar hill group
Know your true history before u open ur mouth…think a thousand times but speak but once!
What he was saying was correct to an extent especially about Puerto Ricans. If you were outcasted you hung out with black people. But where he’s wrong but he’s also right bc he said black people were everywhere bc they also spoke Spanish. Puerto Rico is a Caribbean island just like Jamaica. Does that mean Jamaicans aren’t black? He spoke on Caribbean islands and left out the Spanish ones. Now if people did some research instead of trying to take credit for everything, you would know that all Spanish countries in the Caribbean have African roots. Which guess what people, makes Spanish people like Puerto Ricans, Dominicans etc black.. Do research before you spread ignorance and cause race wars for no reason. We’re stronger together than apart. Need to stop trying to own everything for one race when that one race is universal but you don’t want to claim it. Ignorance…
Raheem just said Joe and KRS One are giving their perceptions on hip-hop from when they started in the game. Raheem has been in the game from the beginning 78-79 era.
Naw...Raheem started earlier at least 75 - 76 cause he was on cassette tapes in the early days.
A COOL!!!
Why are these junior high school dropouts out here making Podcast. And can barely express themselves ?
Raheim is Caribbean Haitian. Ijs
Nobody said they started hiphop though
So every rap, beat, production, pictures, fashion, and record was exclusively black people only, right? So when it was exactly that other cultures like puertoricans came in and participated? If you know for a fact how and when, then you should know when the others like white, latinos, and others came in....I wait
What we teyly need to do it take back the music from these record exec and radio people.that push only destructive derogatory songs. Back then dj play 2hat they like and created hits.
This fool ain’t from the Bronx , stop it
Ya make me laugh. How much ya paid this brother
We never said we started it , we said we were part of it since day 1
Nobody said latinos started hiphop lmao this new age internet shit is whack , everyone today is washedup n watered down back then it was about skills & in bx it was predominantly PUERTORICAN n black so thats the history,, now everyone a critic with race seperation tactics to Sabatoge true hiphop spirit😂 KRS ONE WILL PERSONALLY SKOO ALL YA INDIVIDUALLY & ON CAMERA
FBAs keep diggin thru the crates: th-cam.com/users/shorts4Rki_EQNch4?si=JRe--TQBD6q8Hmwc
Why is no videos of krs, pete rock, fat joe and busta Replying to all the videos coming out....
Coz everyone seems to be coming out..... but not dem, just old videos of them saying "its not just blacks" ....
Why they not going on these pods??
Busta in my top5, krs the teacher.... if they dnt stand up and defend the "fart" they seem to be talking...... imma lose respect for dem ( and i know either dnt know me and could care less) but im.a fan if all their fans think like me..... they will care den!!!!
@@CampslewTraining KRS-One, whose real name is Lawrence Parker, has a mixed heritage:
Mother: American
Biological father: From Barbados
As a 46 yr old Puertorican, I can't believe this conversation is even taking place. Who gives a fuck who started what!!!??
Ok so white ppl started hiphop cool? 😂
We do as blacks and we are gatekeeping our culture. You don’t care cause it ain’t your culture
We do that's who
It's called telling the factual history
It’s funny how AAs hate when others tell their story but are quick to tell US what happens in our homes/culture!!!!…
Who’s the dumby that made y’all king over all other blacks!!!!!😂🤣😂🤣😂🇵🇷🇩🇴🇨🇺🇯🇲🇬🇩🇻🇨🇧🇸🇱🇨🇰🇳🇹🇹🇬🇾🇧🇿🇧🇧🇩🇲🇬🇭🇳🇬🇰🇪 etc.
What is he even talking bout
If I build a house, but someone else owns it, why would I run around arguing about who built it?
Be more concerned about who currently owns it. ✡️
Because neither blacks nor Hispanics own hiphop.
Focus on ownership, so you can leave a legacy for your family, community and culture.
He's talking nonsense when he says the planet was "A Black Planet 1) There were different species of human on the planet at different times over millions of years 2) All humans today are one species Homo sapiens. Homo sapiens originated in Africa and had variable skin color,but most were fairly dark skinned with nappy hair initially 3) However other species migrated out of Africa into Eurasia and split into multiple species that we can't call "Black" because they were not even Homo sapiens. No matter what color they may have been. 4) There are no "Black" people up in the Arctic. There were no Black people in the Americas and if there were they must have been driven to extinction 🦤🦣. Black American culture is based on European and African culture. What ever we managed to hold onto that is not European is African abd and in some cases we blended the two. Tap dancing is an example of such a blending of European and African influences.
No my brother he's telling the truth when alot of people do they ancestry they always find out they have some percentage of black in they DNA and I was shocked recently when I saw the earlier civilizations of mexicans and Chinese and Filipinos they all were black so he is 100 percent correct do some research don't go off of your feelings
In the Bronx in New York when hip-hop was birthed Puerto Ricans lived in the same projects as blacks we made this culture together we lived in the same buildings, struggled together, bled with each other had kids with each other and everything, there is no segregation in New York regarding Latinos and blacks.
@@datdude10001 Bull nonsense.
Struggle these balls you liar
@ you’re not from New York so you wouldn’t understand.
ITS BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE PERIOD!!!!! PUERTO RICANS AND JAMAICANS WERE PARTICIPANTS AND CONTRIBUTERS, BUT NOT CREATORS!
@ 72 BROOKLYN, I WAS THERE SO I KNOW!!!!!
Yeah the participated, but they did not started it.
Africa started all music.
And that from a what y’all Cali guys call an OG it’s like saying California didn’t create the term OGz
Blacks definitely created HipHop & Puerto Ricans were there in the 70’s contributing & evolving it to‼️
What did they bring to the table besides a broken chair
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Evolvoing it how? FBAs created every genre pf American music and never needed Latinos to evolve it.
@ please nothing is create by one race especially not Hiphop you guys are delusional 😆😆😆 and look up evolving to find out the definition.. ill leave you with this peice of fact DJ Disco Wiz 🇵🇷🇨🇺 created the FIRST MIX PLATE❕ You know what that was?? if you dont you shouldn’t be talking!
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It’s absolutely zero difference between African American and Caribbean people. We are the same Africans from the same places in Africa. We ALL “Get Busy”. PEACE ✌🏽
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People are shaped by their lived experience. America isn’t a 3rd world country, there clearly is a difference.
Jamaicans inherited land and homes from slavery while African Americans got nothing, clearly a difference.
They had slavery in the Caribbean before they had it here. The words that slaves were identified by such as Negro, Mulatto, and Sambo came from the Caribbean via the Spanish. Slaves were brought from the Caribbean to "America". Barbecue is from the Caribbean
@@HonorableSiennaThat is not even true. Most of the slave owners in Jamaica did not live there they remained in England or Britain. Some even lived in America
@@HonorableSiennaAmerica is not a third world country because America made that up and put itself first
6:09
Amen
Black's kicked it off and us Puerto Ricans Was right there with them bruh !!
RIGHT WHERE !!???
Why wasn’t no Spanish speaking in the original Hip-Hop Music
Goofball is a crab
Smh
ALL Bullshit Bruh!! I was there too I've been with Zulu Nation Since Birth and I'm a 60's Baby and lived with everything with my Brother and Sister...That shit about Latinos not being in block Party or in street jams is all Lie's
Well said Many people were involved in The creation of hip hop not just blacks hip hop is supposed to transcend all that racial nonsense.
So much for peace, unity and having fun
@@angelvalle6515no it doesn’t that’s just what outsiders who want apart of it say. There’s videos of black Americans not Jamaicans or Puerto Ricans clearly rapping and break dancing
Nobody believes you
@@angelvalle6515that’s what they want to say so it could be stolen. Blacks created reggae and Latin music
I’m just thankful for the culture that has shaped my 46 years on this effed up mud ball fulla hatred.