THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY: The Story of Duke Nukem Forever - Kim Justice
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It's been 5 years since the story of Duke Nukem Forever came to an end, and what with Bulletstorm and all things aren't much better for the Duke since then. And so it's time to go back through the history of this one game that took 14 years to make. We'll be going through its whole creation, reviewing the game itself, and seeing just where Duke stands now. Enjoy!
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Today we live in a mangina sjw femi nazi sissy snowflake millennial useless society , its sooo easy to make a great Duke Nukem game devouring all the previously mentioned useless humans
The crazo thing is, if they hadn't fallen into the feature creep, they could of made a duke game every two years or so and kept up with the tides of change, and by now have something good to go back to.
I never liked John Carmack, (personally I think he was always an overrated drama queen,) but he had the guts to force out company partners if they became a liability, and Broussard was the very definition of a liability. (Hell, Carmack fired John Romero, the guy who HIRED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE so even partners can be fired.) Miller should have given him an ultimatum, release the game AS IS during the Quake engine build, or take a buy out and GTFO. After the Unreal fiasco, it was clear that Broussard had no interest whatsoever in finishing the game, just dicking around with other people's money, (including Scott's.) George kept claiming "we don't want drama", yet he courted it every chance he got. He was everything that was wrong with 90s gaming and Miller deserves to be unemployed for not stopping the fart huffing.
I still to this day find myself wishing that the timeline where Yahtzee Croshaw wrote the full script for DNF was the one that actually came to pass. We truly live in the darkest timeline.
Happy to see someone mention serious Sam
This comment was later completely vindicated by the year 2020.
"Duke is the straight man in a much more insane world." you hit the nail on the god damn head. I loved Duke's quips, even in this game. Duke is supposed to be bombastic, the loud, action hero who says all the cheesey lines, who fires all the guns and gets all the women, but it only works if HE is the one who's clearly the odd one out. Everything around Duke is supposed to be normal ,save for the occasional easter egg and reference, and guess what, a lot of the references are in his lines, not right in the screen. Many of the little references in the Dream sequence do this better; the eternally spinning top, REDRUM written in the bathroom, because it's a dream, some things are SUPPOSED to be weird, but it's also not the 30 people AROUND duke pointing the fucking thing out.
It's supposed to be the basic folks with body armor fighting a bloody tooth and nail battle with the aliens, and then suddenly, here is duke in a tank top and jeans with a gun in each hand spouting one liners and mopping up an army by himself. You know, like an action movie.
Gearbox is just gonna misuse duke because they don't understand what made him great. Sure, jon st john will not be out of work, but honestly, only the most obsessed and starved people will be getting the things he's been shoehorned in.
Duke is the straight man in a world were Bionicle got a well made G3.
Duke Nukem 3D is without doubt one of the top 5 FPSes of all time.
Duke Nukem: Manhatten Project was an underappreciated gem. It was the true sequel to the side scrolling games and absolutely outstanding.
I really want to see a modernized Duke game. By modernized, I mean take the piss out of popular game and movie tropes. Have a section where you are fighting through the sound stage of a superhero movie recently taken over by Aliens. Have him kvetch and moan about having to deal with a modern military situation with medals to be awarded by the general when the squabble is done. Have a section of the game with "random" weapon drops that aren't worth it (Literally have the default weapons labeled as "Better than stuff lying on the ground,") and random level ups that don't do much other than push enemies back and refill your health.
Hell, have a level completely based off of one of the first Duke3D games and have him constantly complain about how Producers always going too far when it comes to getting the feel of the games.
Duke should be closer to Deadpool for the game delivered.
And ending each level with the satisfying smash of the nuclear sign he always used to do in Duke 3D and our lives would be complete!
Like seriously... where is that in DNF?
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Hell, I’d play It.
DNF is pretty close to what you're wanting.
You might as well use Deadpool for that instead of Duke since they're pretty much the same archetype.
LGR and Kim Justice in one video? My life is complete!
Aegon of Astora they certainly are noth highly accomplished.
They are both legends.
Eeyup. Pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter.
I'm currently 3mins into the video, that was LGR as Duke right?
He does it so well I can never tell......
It was.
yeah it is him LGR Nukem
Thanks guys, I noticed his name in the credits.
Love this video! Great history.
It's quite easy to tell, Clint hasn't phoned it in like John St.John has the last couple of times he's voiced Duke. If Gearbox does a new Duke Nukem game, get Clint to voice Duke.
I remember seeing the Unreal engine trailer on my Duke Nukem Manhattan Project disk I had obtained from an old Driver disk....
My 9 year old ass was SO EXCITED for that game...
Oh man...when the game finally came out....
I mean come on the game starts with picking up shit.
This "dumb" circle strafing is definitely not outdated, and something that belongs to FPS games even to this day, look at Serious Sam and how solid the game is, even the new Doom, where you're relying on circle strafing to avoid enemy attacks.
Don't forget that DNF also stands for Did Not Finish.
Please note, DNF is fun on PC, but controls were very poor on consoles, so please make sure you are playing on PC if you've never tried it.
I didn't think it was a bad game at all, but then again I never expected it to ever come out. In all honesty, when I bought the game and brought it home, I half expected a CGI sequence where Duke Nukem and a few enemies play "Never Gonna Give You Up" while a banner drops behind them that reads "No Refunds."
Wish I had played those old builds of DNF.. They look really solid
Rumours that some devs wanna release 2001 build to public but thanks to Randy it won't happen.
@@hayro252 hop in your time machine fellas. One of the builds leaked. Drips with potential.
What I don't understand is why 3D Realms threw away the script for DNF 2001, or some of their original ideas for DNF '98. There were so many good things in the previous versions previewed that got lost. Bombshell and Gus, two original characters who didn't make it into the retail version, would've served as clever foils to Duke's character. Bombshell, who originally worked for Dr. Proton against Duke, eventually joins forces with Duke. The gist of her character is she doesn't find him attractive at all, Duke's attempts to flirt with her would come to nought. Gus would've constantly cracked on Duke's appearance, based upon that bit where he makes fun of his sunglasses. Considering what bits we know of story from the previous versions of DNF, 3D Realms had a good thing going, and it just boggles my mind that they sabotaged what they had. I hope that Yahtzee gets another chance to writing for a Duke Nukem game, but I don't know if he would've improved DNF. It also would've been nice if DNF allowed for some modding.
They didn't really have a script, it was designed gameplay first. The script and dialogue was only written after the game had been completed (to the extent it was completed). I don't know when Bombshell was cut and replaced with that prick Dillon, but it was pretty late, possibly only after Gearbox took over, since 3DR kept the Bombshell rights.
When I played DNF back in 2011 I absolutely loved it. I could not understand all the hate towards it. I was 22 at the time and was way too hyped to be objective. So, I decided to replay the game last year. I thought that now that I am in my 30's and I already played the best FPS ever made (Doom Eternal) I would have a better perspective. So, I decided to replay DNF and The Doctor Who Cloned Me dlc. Loved it again. From start to finish. I guess it's just me being a huge Duke fanboy.
Would’ve been epic in 2004
It was a shame about old Duke. I had it on my p233 back in 98. Then obviously quake 2. Then unreal came out. I remember the every now and then screenshot that magazines would have. Then I ended up in a bad relationship where I wasn't allowed a phone or computer as they were a waste of time. When I finally broke free after 10 years. And I got a core 2 quad my new job sold me for £20. I spent about a year catching up on the gap. When it came to what to look for Duke was the first thing I tried to find then found out it still wasn't out. It wasn't a bad game as such just the controls had no polish
Kim, your research and in-depth analysis is the pinnacle of current video game journalism.
I come back, and every time you somehow outdo yourself. Keep up the excellent work, and I am proud to be entertained. Thank you and much love.
With a few changes to the story, Bulletstorm would have been an excellent Duke Nukem game.
Roger Morris bulletstorm is its own game mot duke nukem
Bulletstorm is what DNF should've been but couldn't.
The moment I heard Clint's (LGR) voice my heart jumped in delight. :)
Yeah, I stopped the video to check the description and sure enough...
Lol thought the same
Might as well be John St John..
And finally 5 years after this video we have the 2001 E3 Build leaked. 😍
Okay, that explains how John St. John landed Duke,
But I'm still trying to figure out how John landed Big the Cat.
yeah that was a big shock to me too lol
@@liquidchris5215*edit found the link
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I'd have to find the source for the interview but apparently he had connections to whoever was in charge of casting for SA1 (whether this was dircet or through an agent I can't recall) who called him up one day and was basically like " hey can you do this voice for this dumb cat" and he just landed it
@@minemariosonic cheers, ill check that out, i mean i know vas can do different voices but its still a shock lol
2001 version looked so cool, they should go back and finish one of the earlier versions. I'd pay good money for it, retro graphics are appreciated nowadays so nothing gets lost by using an old engine.
Thanks for reminding me about Death Rally. I used to love it.
That "yeah, thats me", with baba o'reilly in the background has totally stood the test of time 😂😂
I miss Duke Nukem. Damn you George Broussard and Randy Pitchford.
Your channel is awesome man ! Love your content and presentation !
Great insightful vid dude! Duke Nukem 3D is one of my favorite FPSs and it's a shame that DNF just couldn't top that.
" a love letter to pc gaming, scrawled in crayon by an alcoholic bigot". Beautiful
Great Video as usual, all very top notch I can't understand why you don't have many many more subs, don't get me wrong 31k is a great achievement and a big pat on the back for that. it's just that there are other people who have more subs, but not edited to the quality that your video's are, you have a knack of letting us know what we need to know and do that in a great interesting way. keep up the great work kim.
It's weird to think that Ion Maiden might actually be the most Duke Nukem-like return to gaming, despite not having Duke in it.
In many ways, Bombshell is carrying the torch the Duke dropped long ago. Who would have thought.
The problem with a relatively small team and an ambitious idea is either a rushed flop or an incomplete title that never releases.
As always another great and informative video, thank you.
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Also this might be a detail to some, but i am pretty sure majority will agree - The DNF misses one very important feature... Where the hell is the ending NUCLEAR sign Duke always smashes to continue to another level? Like holy shit, that is probably the most iconic ending for each map that every Duke fan remembers, it always brings that satisfaction when you destroy it like " YEAAA I FUCKIN FINISHED THIS AWESOME LEVEL LETS GO FOR MORE! " you know, that adrenalin rush.
They could have use this into such a great potential giving it unique animations each time, just name it, punching it through with his fist, kicking it with force, headbutting it, shooting the hell out of it. Anything, but it would be one out of many things to bring back in new clothes and it is crazy that i never noticed this actually missing from this title. ( unless its there and i just never seen it )
Cause they aimed for old school yet it feels totally not old school compared to the Duke 3D. All in all, polishing something way too long causes more trouble than good, the more changes it goes through more chaos unleashes.
After playing the 2001 leak of Duke Forever, I must admit, no wonder people got pissed of by restarting development on it...
2:00: you forgot one, Kim: Did Not Finish.
Great stuff Kim, your videos are just getting better and better.
Maybe this is different perspective, but I don't see anyone taking Duke seriously other than critics. It's not an obvious parody, like Broforce, but still over the top.
Really good video. Definitely glad I watched all of it
You really put foot to ass on the quality of your videos. Very good job. Keep it up!
Another good one. Thanks for the speccy tapes.
awesome video...your best one yet kim 👌🙌🏆
Having played the unreleased 2001 version, its a shame it wasnt finished. Give it 2 years though and modders will piece it together
Anyone mention the parallels between this and Star Citizen?...
salute!
Smashed out of the park again, great watch.
I love your videos keep up your excellent work -
Really enjoyed this video bro.
2001's "Endangered Species Hunter" was turned into "Vivisector", with EVERYTHING relating to Duke Nukem removed or worked out.
Simply a fantastic video!
I liked DNF... sure, it wasn't ground-breaking but I got exactly what I thought I'd get. The driving was fiddly and felt slightly out of place but it's a pretty small part of the game. I absolutely loved the original and remember clearly the shareware release of the 1st episode. I spent all night refreshing the 3dRealms page waiting for the download to drop so I could spend another 4 hours downloading it over my dial-up connection with my newly acquired Christmas modem. I was not disappointed.
I would love to see some of the earlier stuff in a playable state, particularly after the engine change to Unreal. Unfortunately it doesn't look like any of it will ever see the light of day. Whether that's because it's been lost or - as some people believe - it was never actually playable and was all pre-rendered footage we'll likely never know. I think it's a fascinating story and well presented here. Thanks Kim.
I think sometimes people forget that Duke 3D was a game that started off as one idea & then over several iterations grew into something else entirely. Broussard got cocky because constantly changing his mind & redoing big chunks of the game actually worked out in that case.
Very nicely done, enjoyed it. :)
OMG is that Clint as Duke Nukem? Love the casting choice!
No it's not lmao
Imagine thinking not being left behind by The Thing is a hill to die on
I still hope we one day would see the 2001 game...
You really put this into perspective when you said every single Harry Potter movie came out during the production of this game
I purchased my first x86 based personal computer in 1996. Duke Nukem 3d was the first game I ever purchased for it.
It was sad to see a type of psychosis take hold of Broussard. His identity became attached to his development of Duke Nukem Forever. This attachment made it impossible for him to actually finish the game. The development process gave him a type of power and meaning. When the game was finished; all of that would have been gone. I am seeing similar behavior from the team behind Star Citizen.
I would really like to see a documentary style video about the team that Gearbox assigned to the project. What they had to work with and what they did to bring the finished game to market.
There's not a whole lot to say about Gearbox's contribution to DNF's development aside from actually taking the project and getting it out there. Most of the development was done by Triptych, which was largely made up of ex-3D Realms people who'd been working on the game - so their job never really stopped despite 3D Realms pulling the plug in 2009 (when they had been working very intensely on pulling DNF together since around 2007) - even before Gearbox officially bought the Duke, people were working on the game from home...Gearbox didn't make all that many big changes to what was already there and according to folks like JohnQPublic the final game isn't a whole lot different to what they were working on in 2009.
I suspected that they didn't change much if anything at all.
Been playing the 2001 version. It's a SHAME it was shit canned, cause it would/.could have been amazing. Give a year or two and us modders will have it going like it was a official release
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As usual, your knowledge is second to none and the chronology mixed with the pithy commentary is brilliant.
Love the fact that I keep finding more and more of your docs, they are great!
What a great retrospective! I'd never heard of Duke Nukem Critical Mass for the Nintendo DS.
God, it's so sad. I loved Duke Nukem 3D. The very first time I went to GameSpot was to look for DNF info in 1999. The worst thing about DNF was it was so boring (I pre-ordered it, then read the reviews when it first came out... D'oh! That was also the last game I pre-ordered a game!)
rest in peace, duke nukem you relic of the past.
Nah
I love the fact you got LGR to do his Duke Nukem Voice!
Amazing work as always. So professional.
Could you do a story about monolith? :)
No, but he might be able to do a stowy about monolith
I really hope Duke Nukem gets a new game
Damn this is nearly an hour long....awesome!! now I have something to listen to while playing Let it Die
"Damn I'm looking good"
What I find funny is that everyone harps on the outdated gameplay and references but nobody brings up the fact that the DNF we got was not a new game made from scratch but was in fact a polished version of a 2007 build that was used as the base for the rest of the games creation. DNF is a great game because of the story it tells, and not the story of a roided out bear drinking cool guy blasting aliens and smacking wall boobs, but the story of one team and the struggle they faced to bring this creative idea to life. It's not always about winning the race, sometimes it's just about crossing the finish line.
I haven't played the game. But i really don't care if the Gameplay is out dated. Not every game has to break new ground.
Agreed, sometimes the same old same is good enough.
@@Lone432345 The thing is, at one point Duke Forever really *was* about breaking new ground. The stuff they were doing ten years earlier was really ambitious, that's the main reason it took so damn long (that and a small team). In the end they had to set their sights lower, cut out so much of what they originally had wanted to do and "just make a shooter"...
3 minutes in and this is already excellent
love your videos!!!!
Duke Nukem Forever was that guy you hadn't seen since school telling the same fart jokes and getting mad when you didn't laugh.
I love your work and agree with a lot of what you were saying. I just don't think DNF was that bad or that much of a change in pace from its predecessors. I think you were right on about asking if Duke 3D was even that funny to begin with. People's taste changes and without nostalgia sitting in your way, is that product you once loved, worthy of your taste today. I personally still enjoy the dumbness of it today. I don't play video games for the hyper realism or the complex stories. I play video games for a fun, mindless adventure.
I started play Duke in Duke Nukem 2 and seriously his character hasn't changed much. People in his universe loved him in that game and kissed the ground he walked on. He continued fighting aliens and saving the world so I can only imagine the admiration growing. Make sense. I feel like it's a logical progression. I think it's unfair to say Duke's character is shit, without saying that he's always been shit.
I also did not buy DNF at launch. I waited years to buy it and was very well versed of how shitty it was. I bought the game for 5 bucks and realized that I really didn't think it was that bad. I had low expectations so maybe that's why I defend it. It's not perfect, but I'd rather play this then Call of Duty 73.
Anyways, thanks for the wonderful content you've always produced. Please don't think I'm nit picking. I think it shows a lot that your video was able to start a discussion.
Thanks
I think 47:55 sums up what's wrong with this game's apprach to humor. I can think of 5 ways off the top of my head to make this scene funny and/or bruise Duke's ego a little, and they passed the opportunity by completely just to show how badass Duke is supposed to be in this game.
Hmm, is it just me or is Duke's original character not unlike the main character from PS2's Timesplitters? Similar humour, etc.
Anyway, excellent video Kim! I have fond memories of the N64 Duke game, especially the multiplayer. Given your clear capacity for making content like this, any chance you might some day make something similar about Star Citizen? Hehe...
Excellent doc.
Didn't Endangered Species become Vivisector, and wasn't that game considered to have been a fair bit better than DNF turned out to be?
51:46 Just a few days ago the cancelled PSP Duke Nukem finally got dumped
Another excellent piece, flawlessly researched, covering just about every angle of the Forever story. Superbly done as usual, Kim!
Anyone have a link to that Gizmo joke/parody video ?
Clint's Duke is always great!
I can go back to Blake Stone and Triad so easily in my mind, it was a pretty sweet time to be a gamer.
i love dukes character , but r.i.p duke please let him rip
A classic video review!
awesome work
"Yahtzee" was probable MUCH closer to the kind of game we wanted (Duke Nukem Forever to be)...
ahh they were right about one thing they aint fortune tellers...great Doc but that line was amazing :) I had to pause for a bit lol
When it comes to Duke...Were still wating to get some....
Just had a random thought of how to make a (potentially internet breaking) ending with the Duke,you play through the game in typical Duke fashion,mowing down wave after wave of gribblies,then at the end it flashbacks to key moments from the game and he was just killing normal people the entire time,he's had a full on psychotic break,unable to handle his own ego,granted it would be an ending that may give you whiplash but could lead to an interesting discussion,and wouldn't be expected
the production of your videos are insane, my jaw drops everytime.
I almost wish you played the Dlc campaign for DNF, though I'd imagine clones of duke would just break you at this point
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great video. don't forget how terrible the load times are!
Dude , lass , whatever,it doesn't matter ...the research you do and the quality of your videos is just amazing !!!!!
i love you kim!! ;) loved the duke !!! :)
I love DNF don't care if you guys hate it
And the Duke loves you. Oh yeahh!
DukeNukem Forever is not a bad game to be fair
Brilliant documentary (as always), the review makes a lot of valid points, but y'know, I still got a kick out of playing DNF. Surprised there was no mention of the DLC chapter, which was a legitimate step up in quality from the main game.
You know its sort of funny thinking about Duke Nukem Forever a few years later and after watching Ash vs The Evil Dead, a show continuing 30 years down the line the story of a movie franchise Duke famously quotes and used to parodied back in the day.
In AvED the director, producer and the star of the movies come back to their beloved character and world to portray the cool, one liner dropping bad ass Ash as a sort of pathetic old man stuck in an arrested development. While he still has all of his old swagger, comedy and can still kick some serious ass, the rest of the world sees him as an idiotic screw up and the show is, for the most part, on their side in that assessment. The show manages to both be a love letter to the classic films and their fans while at the same time gracefully acknowledging that times have changed and that allot of what made Ash so cool back in the 80's and 90's now paint him as a jerk and a dinosaur.
The show is grate, silly, bloody fun if your into that sort of thing and proves that its possible to both show obvious love for something nostalgic AND point out its flaws and rip them apart all at the same time. Duke on the other hand seemed to be made by people so frightened of the idea that you would not get just how amazing and cool Duke was that they refused to risk turning you against him by pointing out what a silly and reprehensible character he is. Ironically that just made him far less likable!
Its sort of silly, but seeing old Ash trying to hit on a much younger woman with some seriously corny one liners only to be violently rebuffed and made to look like a chump makes me LIKE him allot more then seeing Duke having a pair of much younger women sucking his dick because he's just so cool. Because I can tell that the director and the actor and everyone else on the show is right their with me, rolling their eyes at how pathetic and stupid Ash is, where as the games writer and director and VA all seem to be nudging me and going, "Heh... Dukes pretty grate eh? Scooooore am I right?"
Ash was kind of always portrayed like a bit of a loser, though.