Two narrow angle V4 engine blocks aligned in a V formation constitutes a W8 engine. Lancia from the early 1920's up to the 1960's made narrow angle V4 engines as well as V6's and V8's. This configuration also has been used on motorbikes, but maybe separate heads for each bank in a modern Aprilia design. Matchless Silver Hawk from the 1930's had a 600cc narrow angle V4 engine. All this from memory so if my memory has failed me I beg forgiveness and am happy to be corrected.
Our flagship fighter the P-51 Mustang had a British motor in it! We desigend a hell of a fighter that looked and flew great, but we can't beat the Britsih, Italians, Germans and Japanese when it comes to building engines. I've seen Toyota's roll over the odometer without even an overhaul. Same thing with V.W's. I don't know enough rich people so I can't speak for the 6 figure cars, but I see a ton of BMW M3's and old dielsels out on the road from tweenty years ago that still don't have rust.
You do realize that seeing old cars with no rust has nothing to do with great engine performance. In fact, it may even be the reverse, if the car never runs and sits in a shop, how could it get much rust?
In the 70s and 80s, VWs were known for being very reliable cars. I knew someone who had a 1980 VW Scirocco that he replaced 18 years later - I think that's a good run. A VW salesperson said the New Beetles were having problems because the plant they were made at (in Mexico) had poor quality control, so the plant manager there was fired. Starting with the 2006 models, more VW cars in the US were assembled in Germany with the hopes of providing better quality.
It wasn't that it was too complicated, it was that they couldn't get it to run smoothly. A three-bank engine is a damned tricky thing when it comes to vibration. The prototype of the Artioli-era Bugatti EB218 with its W18 engine (three banks of six cylinders) was rev-limited to 3000rpm when automotive jounrnalists drove it.
I remember you. we talked about pushrods stuff in another thread. Now, I agree that VR5 VR6 ARE great design: shorter than I6, much thinner than V6. The VR6 was even in Golf Mk 5 GTI version, a model I liked very much. That being said, a W8 is a different design. It looks like 2 V4 pieced together very tightly, with 4 cams each operates valves for 2 cylinders. Very complicated. With the direct fuel injection & turbo charge technology VW has, I think future product lines will be all FSI, TSI,
The W8 was only used in the Passat W8 for three years 2002 - 2004, then it was discontinued. It was the testbed for the W12 used by Audi, and Volkswagen for the Phaeton, and Touareg...... and the W16 engine used by Bugatti
There's effectively two twin turbo versions of this in the Bugatti Veyron. And a similar W12 concept powers VW's own supercar concept. The W configuration allows for a very powerful but compact internal combustion engine. The prototype has run for years as a 6 cylinder version in the Golf VR6
The reduction in length is notable. A V8 engine block is roughly the length of 4 and a half cyls. VW's W8 engine block length is no longer than a typical V6. The advantage is packaging and it affects the location for centre of gravity of the car in a positive way apart from saving space in the engine bay
@210482fmj there's an F1 documentary from the turbo days and they built a prototype by carving a mould from wood which they then use sand to create a a casting. It is this sand casting that is directly used for creating the block. they still had to machine everything later on
Inline, W, and V refer to alignment of the cylinders. This video shows a pretty rare VW W8 engine, which is similar to a V8 but wider but with a shorter length. A V engine has two banks of cylinders (the engine shown has two banks, with 2 sets of 2 staggers cylinders) with cylinders on these banks aligned in a straight line. From the front if you were looking at the block it would resemble a V, where they meet being the crankshaft. An I, inline, is just basically one cylinder bank of a V engine.
Yup the W16 and the middle child, the W12, the VW Nardo is a La Mons champion. The engine was a diamond in the rough found exclusively in the Passat B5.5. A true sleeper
We used to build stuff that lasted and was built here in the U.S. Growing up my grandma wouldn't but anything that wsn't built here. She was a Rivot Rosie and had a lot of American pride. That's why if I see anything pre-Regan Era out in the trash like a vacuum or even a gas can I grab it. If that old stuff even broke down you could rig it. Now you can't even take apart this stuff.. Each generation is more spolied than the last and Several rich Americans gave our jobs to China and India!
Basically this is two VR4s welded together to spin one common crank-shaft. Quad Cams as well; I wonder how reliable those long valve pushrods are at higher rpm, since they're twice as long as the shorter ones closer to the cams/cylinders.
you have basically described the W12 engine when you say 2 VR6's sharing a common crank shaft. althought with W configuration engines, yes the block may be shorter but it becomes much wider and more complex.
Yep, that's what I heard about the Chattanooga plant (it would be cheaper to build VWs here for the US market). I have a 2009 Rabbit (AKA Golf), and when I bought it, the salesperson told me that Volkswagen was considering not bringing the 2010 Golf here because of the exchange rate and that they're losing money. But lo and behold, the 2010 Golf is coming to the US. I can understand that VW is losing money to exchange rate, but on the other hand, I wonder what's going on.
Yes VW powered that A8 and Bentley Conti GT with their W12. What they scrapped was the '3 banked' W12. The W engines VW currenly produces has 2 banks and look like a normal V engine from the outside
That v8 with 2500 horses will need a tune up after every time you'd open the throttle (even v8 Formula One engines are expected to run only two races ... normally aspirated 2.4 litre, around 800 bhp). The Veyron engine could probably do 2500 bhp easily but it's tuned to a level on which you can use it every day, for years and years.
this would be really good for a rear mid-engine there's tons of room in the back compared to the front. with four cam they would need all the space that can get
Too bad VW killed the W8. It was very expensive to make because of the special castings required to produce the W block. And it requires far more machining than a standard V8 block.
@pancakewafflebacon Pretty much. There is a reason why Ford kept the old Lima motor around as long as they did. Then they sold out to Mazda's Duratech motor.
Well... if you are an experienced engineer in thermal powerplants, your best friend is a great structural engineer, you have a huge garage filled up with expensive machinery and CNCs, a lot to free time to spend, and enough money to buy a Ferrari F430... Good luck!!! if not, I suggest you to forget about it :D
interesting. so it's basically two VR4 engines stuck together. i wondered if it had two banks of three and a central bank of two. thanks for clearing that up.
they stagger the pistons to fit more liters in the same size engine... but i dont know if they are as high of compression because the walls would be thinner... overall i would say greater hp
Angle between banks is 90 degrees (it seems). V8s have cylinders in the banks "in-line" but W8s don´t, cause cylinders in each bank have 15 degrees of difference. So we can say W8s are a structural evolution of V8s. Just look closer to the video. Cheers dude.
A W8 has the advantage of fitting into the same sized engine bay as a v6. Due to the 2 exxtra pistons you get more power with both BHP and Torque. VW no longer equipe thier production cars with any W configuration engine, as the W8 in the passat only sold around 11,000 units world wide. For reasons that i'm unaware of W configuration engines tend to be slightly more fuel-efficient compared to a V configuration engine of the same displacement
Sorry to say that the Lotus Omega 24V eniges is basing on the inline 6 24V from Opel ;) So the best and most reliable inline 6 is the Opel one...I know cars that have 700 HP Twin Turbo inline 6:) (Okay thats race technology and not for daily driving but you can see it works just great)
you're wrong. VW sold millions of vr5 and vr6 engines, mostly vr6. mounted, in vw, audi, skoda and seat. this engine is a dual VR engine. simply an evolution. the passat wasn't build for a fullsize v8, like in the A8. so only a VR engine could fit. the VR concept was very good, operate 2 'banks' with only 2 cams. the original golf mkIII vr6 is still a very wanted car.
Are you sure about that? OK guy, then check some info about the 180 degree V12 engine (not a boxer, in fact!), which can be found on the Ferrari Testarossa: It has a solution called "flat crankshaft" (were pistons have a difference of 180 degrees between each other),so 3 spark plugs work together at the same time! Apart from having a 4 way distributor, so electrically works as a V4...
@beboybo im sure somebody out there has made one. it would be big, but not that long. a bit longer than a straight six, and definitely much wider, but im sure theres cars that could take it.
Yes it is not a "W" in that sense. VW's "W" engines are based on the "VR" design like their "VR6". The VR6 wasn't a normal V6 because the bank angle was so narrow that it had only one cyl head instead of two, like any 'V' engine Their W8 is just two 'VR6's mated together minus 2 cyls per 'VR6' Their W16 is just two 'VR6's mated together plus 2 more cyls per 'VR6' They did experiment with a 'true' W12 (3 banks of 4cyls) but they scrapped the idea because it was too complicated
In engines with over 4 cylinders there´s ever at least one piston expanding, and even 3 at the same time in V12s an 4 in V16s; this provides a better response of the engine, smoother and closer to an electric powerplant. I suspect that the exact instant of the ignition is not very important for smoothness but for the discharge of the spark plug capacitators or even its parallel conection... and this is more an electrical matter, nothing to do with screws, springs and pinions ;)
I dont understand the argument here. The point of the w setup is in packaging. instead of a small car only being able to fit an I-4 or v6 motor, It could now fit the w8.
in a W engine there r 2 single cames. one for upper pistons and one for the lower. if u watch the video you can see its single (intake+exaust) on the same cam. its amazing germen machinery but its still not the best they can do.
@westexpipeliner W8 can have the same power and torque like an normal V8 (wich have the same capacity (litre) and is in that category where the W8 is) and its aproximately 25-30% lighter than a normal V8 and its shorter, so it can be placed into smaller cars and less weight = less fuel consumption = reducing costs. So the W8 engine can have the same power and torque like a normal V8 engine, but W8 has aproximately the weight and the size like an average V6...W8 is lighter than the smallest V8.
Great statement! of course 1977 Monza´s 3,0 engine was a great one, but I still prefer VW´s W8. But If I have to decide from in-line 6 engines, surely I would get a BMW or even a M-B or Volvo. But this is just my opinion; other people may disagree. That´s extremely interesting: modern all-alluminium blocks with full-electronic direct inyection are cheaper than old-school cast-iron engines. This is why now are not produced, not because progress an efficiency...
It has the same number of camshafts as any ordinary DOHC V8 would. Nothing special about that really. The beauty is how they designed the actuation so it performs like a normal DOHC
@peanuts2105 I agree. Throughout history, the Germans have lead the world in mechanical ingenuity. American v8's still use pushrods. Unless you count the Cadillac "Northstar" v8, but that one won't be made anymore.
@peanuts2105 i agree with you i consider japanese 4cylinder engines as the best, turbocharged or not and italian companies (mostly supercars) make sick v12's
Its a V8 with offset cylinders, sounds like a V8, goes like a V8, just a bit shorter in length. A big advancement for the internal combustion engine would be the phasing out of the poppet valve, and using coates patented CSRV, now that would make this engine far more efficient and also allow for higher compression and far better gas economy. Coates. watch?v=pDsRa4eT7co
VW has taken a turn in quality for the worse, but they still have good innovations. Only problem nowadays is that they have too much pressure to get the cars out there. But they still did not make a huge error like toyota with their Prius:P
@discocreator76 And you know there are no weight or space advantages because you've researched this ? Have you ever seen one of VW's V6's in person? The width of the VW V6's vavle/cam cover teal is barely bigger than a plain jane inline 4.
im sure the w12 wasnt scrapped? they use it on the a8 6.0 w12 if im not wrong....same car from transporter 3....in which imo i think they should have used the s8 with the 5.0 v10 lambo gallardo engine instead.
@razioth I have to consider the Ford 4 cylinders the best. The bottom ends of the 2.3L and 2.5L Lima motors can handle up to 8K Rpms. The factory crank shaft can handle 700HP. The motors are as we know right now capable of handling 425+Hp but the tranny can't handle it. Most of all the motors are just about imposible to kill. They last upwards of 250K to 300K+ without rebuilds. Personally, I don't like Ford. I like Jeep and Dodge. >.>
It's not a "true" W block engine as it doesn't have 3 distinct rows of pistons. The design is based on two V4 engines sharing the same crank shaft, often referred to as a double V or VV.
@ZenithRacing ooo ok....so would i beable to get a w12 engine and put it in a car that can already fit a 454 chevy big block(1969 camaro) and since its a w12 it would make more pwer then the v8?
TDI, etc. Small engine, cc, light, 100bhp/lt output, and very fuel efficient. VR6's era's gone, due to emission. W8 is still questionable, unless they become FSI. I would prefer a Japanese I4, I6, V6, and easily get 100 bhp per liter. But I live in Asia and I am biased, ha. Do you know that Honda officially discontinue the Civic FD2 Type R? The next type R, whatever it is, will have to be direct injection, or maybe turbo'ed in the same time. Audi, skoka, and seat are all vw subsidiaries.
The animation + music gives a special kind of vibe
Two narrow angle V4 engine blocks aligned in a V formation constitutes a W8 engine.
Lancia from the early 1920's up to the 1960's made narrow angle V4 engines as well as V6's and V8's.
This configuration also has been used on motorbikes, but maybe separate heads for each bank in a modern Aprilia design.
Matchless Silver Hawk from the 1930's had a 600cc narrow angle V4 engine.
All this from memory so if my memory has failed me I beg forgiveness and am happy to be corrected.
The W8, like all W engines, was hand built. At one time it was the most expensive 8-cylinder automotive engine to be put into mass production.
I have one and I love it
Congratulations on your unicorn, I hope you take care of it, I love mine.
Just out of curiosity: how have the reliability and maintenence costs been?
I would love to have one
Got a Passat W8 and it's an awesome car. Been giving Mustangs and Camero's HELL!!!!
It's a pretty heavy car right? It takes a while before you get anywhere but once you get up to a certain speed the thing flies.
Our flagship fighter the P-51 Mustang had a British motor in it! We desigend a hell of a fighter that looked and flew great, but we can't beat the Britsih, Italians, Germans and Japanese when it comes to building engines. I've seen Toyota's roll over the odometer without even an overhaul. Same thing with V.W's. I don't know enough rich people so I can't speak for the 6 figure cars, but I see a ton of BMW M3's and old dielsels out on the road from tweenty years ago that still don't have rust.
You do realize that seeing old cars with no rust has nothing to do with great engine performance. In fact, it may even be the reverse, if the car never runs and sits in a shop, how could it get much rust?
In the 70s and 80s, VWs were known for being very reliable cars. I knew someone who had a 1980 VW Scirocco that he replaced 18 years later - I think that's a good run. A VW salesperson said the New Beetles were having problems because the plant they were made at (in Mexico) had poor quality control, so the plant manager there was fired. Starting with the 2006 models, more VW cars in the US were assembled in Germany with the hopes of providing better quality.
Nice engine and animation. Porn music never made it do me tough
It wasn't that it was too complicated, it was that they couldn't get it to run smoothly. A three-bank engine is a damned tricky thing when it comes to vibration. The prototype of the Artioli-era Bugatti EB218 with its W18 engine (three banks of six cylinders) was rev-limited to 3000rpm when automotive jounrnalists drove it.
Masterpiece!
It's 72 degrees, but each cylinder bank is a VR4 with a 15 degree angle, which is why the cylinders are offset to each other.
true,can't have variable valve timing if a camshaft does both intake and exhaust,so cams have to be dedicated to one or the other.
I have a 2003 Passat W8! Nice video buddy!
I remember you. we talked about pushrods stuff in another thread. Now, I agree that VR5 VR6 ARE great design: shorter than I6, much thinner than V6. The VR6 was even in Golf Mk 5 GTI version, a model I liked very much.
That being said, a W8 is a different design. It looks like 2 V4 pieced together very tightly, with 4 cams each operates valves for 2 cylinders. Very complicated.
With the direct fuel injection & turbo charge technology VW has, I think future product lines will be all FSI, TSI,
VW seems to be good at building small but powerful engines. Their VR6 is/was known for fitting in the same bay as a 4-cylinder engine.
you are correct, i like to think of it as two vr4's at an angle, sharing a crank
They're 2 VR4's connected in a V right? That doesn't make a W though... it makes a VVV.
It spells vw lmao
+Griffin Mackenzie lol
w8 , VR4 or vvv, the name is unimportant , still it is umcommon and amazing manufacture
@@Theroadrunner4261 I Call It A WR8
The W8 was only used in the Passat W8 for three years 2002 - 2004, then it was discontinued. It was the testbed for the W12 used by Audi, and Volkswagen for the Phaeton, and Touareg...... and the W16 engine used by Bugatti
There's effectively two twin turbo versions of this in the Bugatti Veyron. And a similar W12 concept powers VW's own supercar concept. The W configuration allows for a very powerful but compact internal combustion engine. The prototype has run for years as a 6 cylinder version in the Golf VR6
Siiiiick I want a W8 Passat!
The Vr6 has the cylinders stagerd like one side of this engine to keep it narrow. This engine is 2 Vr6s minus 2 cylinders each on a common crank.
The reduction in length is notable. A V8 engine block is roughly the length of 4 and a half cyls. VW's W8 engine block length is no longer than a typical V6. The advantage is packaging and it affects the location for centre of gravity of the car in a positive way apart from saving space in the engine bay
@210482fmj there's an F1 documentary from the turbo days and they built a prototype by carving a mould from wood which they then use sand to create a a casting. It is this sand casting that is directly used for creating the block. they still had to machine everything later on
Inline, W, and V refer to alignment of the cylinders. This video shows a pretty rare VW W8 engine, which is similar to a V8 but wider but with a shorter length. A V engine has two banks of cylinders (the engine shown has two banks, with 2 sets of 2 staggers cylinders) with cylinders on these banks aligned in a straight line. From the front if you were looking at the block it would resemble a V, where they meet being the crankshaft. An I, inline, is just basically one cylinder bank of a V engine.
can they mount it transversely? there may also be some sort of mechanical advantage to the offset of half the pistons.
this is the engine used in the nardo and phaeton. it's w16 variant is used in the veyron
i know this post is old but im pretty sure that this w motors big brother is found in the worlds fastest production car!!!!
What car?
Yup the W16 and the middle child, the W12, the VW Nardo is a La Mons champion. The engine was a diamond in the rough found exclusively in the Passat B5.5. A true sleeper
Krauts got all the cool toys!
We used to build stuff that lasted and was built here in the U.S. Growing up my grandma wouldn't but anything that wsn't built here. She was a Rivot Rosie and had a lot of American pride. That's why if I see anything pre-Regan Era out in the trash like a vacuum or even a gas can I grab it. If that old stuff even broke down you could rig it. Now you can't even take apart this stuff.. Each generation is more spolied than the last and Several rich Americans gave our jobs to China and India!
What low quality sh*t posting is this?
Very unique engine design
One V4 leans left and one V4 leans right. Yup, looks live a W to me.
Basically this is two VR4s welded together to spin one common crank-shaft. Quad Cams as well; I wonder how reliable those long valve pushrods are at higher rpm, since they're twice as long as the shorter ones closer to the cams/cylinders.
you have basically described the W12 engine when you say 2 VR6's sharing a common crank shaft. althought with W configuration engines, yes the block may be shorter but it becomes much wider and more complex.
The plumbing for a three bank engine is quite complicated. what I mean is the arranagment of manifolds especially the exhaust and the heat generated.
this is german enginering. not at its best but look how well its configured. its amazeing
Yep, that's what I heard about the Chattanooga plant (it would be cheaper to build VWs here for the US market).
I have a 2009 Rabbit (AKA Golf), and when I bought it, the salesperson told me that Volkswagen was considering not bringing the 2010 Golf here because of the exchange rate and that they're losing money. But lo and behold, the 2010 Golf is coming to the US. I can understand that VW is losing money to exchange rate, but on the other hand, I wonder what's going on.
Yes VW powered that A8 and Bentley Conti GT with their W12.
What they scrapped was the '3 banked' W12. The W engines VW currenly produces has 2 banks and look like a normal V engine from the outside
That v8 with 2500 horses will need a tune up after every time you'd open the throttle (even v8 Formula One engines are expected to run only two races ... normally aspirated 2.4 litre, around 800 bhp).
The Veyron engine could probably do 2500 bhp easily but it's tuned to a level on which you can use it every day, for years and years.
this would be really good for a rear mid-engine there's tons of room in the back compared to the front. with four cam they would need all the space that can get
Too bad VW killed the W8. It was very expensive to make because of the special castings required to produce the W block. And it requires far more machining than a standard V8 block.
VR and W engines have flaws in their design so it honestly makes a lot of sense for everyday Cars to have flat, inline, or v engines instead.
@pancakewafflebacon Pretty much. There is a reason why Ford kept the old Lima motor around as long as they did. Then they sold out to Mazda's Duratech motor.
@austinver nope, it is an 8 cylinder in a 'W" pattern...like two V-4's put together
Well... if you are an experienced engineer in thermal powerplants, your best friend is a great structural engineer, you have a huge garage filled up with expensive machinery and CNCs, a lot to free time to spend, and enough money to buy a Ferrari F430... Good luck!!! if not, I suggest you to forget about it :D
interesting. so it's basically two VR4 engines stuck together. i wondered if it had two banks of three and a central bank of two. thanks for clearing that up.
they stagger the pistons to fit more liters in the same size engine... but i dont know if they are as high of compression because the walls would be thinner...
overall i would say greater hp
Angle between banks is 90 degrees (it seems). V8s have cylinders in the banks "in-line" but W8s don´t, cause cylinders in each bank have 15 degrees of difference. So we can say W8s are a structural evolution of V8s. Just look closer to the video. Cheers dude.
looks like two i4 siamese twins :D
A W8 has the advantage of fitting into the same sized engine bay as a v6.
Due to the 2 exxtra pistons you get more power with both BHP and Torque.
VW no longer equipe thier production cars with any W configuration engine, as the W8 in the passat only sold around 11,000 units world wide.
For reasons that i'm unaware of W configuration engines tend to be slightly more fuel-efficient compared to a V configuration engine of the same displacement
Sorry to say that the Lotus Omega 24V eniges is basing on the inline 6 24V from Opel ;)
So the best and most reliable inline 6 is the Opel one...I know cars that have 700 HP Twin Turbo inline 6:) (Okay thats race technology and not for daily driving but you can see it works just great)
you're wrong.
VW sold millions of vr5 and vr6 engines, mostly vr6.
mounted, in vw, audi, skoda and seat.
this engine is a dual VR engine.
simply an evolution.
the passat wasn't build for a fullsize v8, like in the A8.
so only a VR engine could fit.
the VR concept was very good, operate 2 'banks' with only 2 cams.
the original golf mkIII vr6 is still a very wanted car.
Are you sure about that? OK guy, then check some info about the 180 degree V12 engine (not a boxer, in fact!), which can be found on the Ferrari Testarossa: It has a solution called "flat crankshaft" (were pistons have a difference of 180 degrees between each other),so 3 spark plugs work together at the same time! Apart from having a 4 way distributor, so electrically works as a V4...
Apperently the reduction of the overall length is an enormous advantage. E.g. i doubt wether a regular V-8 could be built in a VW Passat autobody.
very good
I dont think I was describing HOW it works (sure you already know the otto cycle), just how they look. But you are welcome, im glad to help.
The passat did, but the phaeton had a regular V8, like the jetta had a vr6 and the passat a standard v6.
ah makes sense thanks for the explanation.
Great animation. Can you tell me what software did you use to do it?. thanks and congratulations.
@beboybo im sure somebody out there has made one. it would be big, but not that long. a bit longer than a straight six, and definitely much wider, but im sure theres cars that could take it.
Yes it is not a "W" in that sense. VW's "W" engines are based on the "VR" design like their "VR6". The VR6 wasn't a normal V6 because the bank angle was so narrow that it had only one cyl head instead of two, like any 'V' engine
Their W8 is just two 'VR6's mated together minus 2 cyls per 'VR6'
Their W16 is just two 'VR6's mated together plus 2 more cyls per 'VR6'
They did experiment with a 'true' W12 (3 banks of 4cyls) but they scrapped the idea because it was too complicated
In engines with over 4 cylinders there´s ever at least one piston expanding, and even 3 at the same time in V12s an 4 in V16s; this provides a better response of the engine, smoother and closer to an electric powerplant.
I suspect that the exact instant of the ignition is not very important for smoothness but for the discharge of the spark plug capacitators or even its parallel conection... and this is more an electrical matter, nothing to do with screws, springs and pinions ;)
I dont understand the argument here. The point of the w setup is in packaging. instead of a small car only being able to fit an I-4 or v6 motor, It could now fit the w8.
Space. It is shorter from front to back than a conventional V8 with the same cylinder bore.
in a W engine there r 2 single cames. one for upper pistons and one for the lower. if u watch the video you can see its single (intake+exaust) on the same cam. its amazing germen machinery but its still not the best they can do.
they have shorter crankshafts, so are more compact. In the other hand, those engines are more complicated and expensive to produce
ahh...so that's how my car works :)
@westexpipeliner W8 can have the same power and torque like an normal V8 (wich have the same capacity (litre) and is in that category where the W8 is) and its aproximately 25-30% lighter than a normal V8 and its shorter, so it can be placed into smaller cars and less weight = less fuel consumption = reducing costs.
So the W8 engine can have the same power and torque like a normal V8 engine, but W8 has aproximately the weight and the size like an average V6...W8 is lighter than the smallest V8.
passat uses W8, as well as other VW products.. i believe the phaeton uses it too..
mm looks cool, the design/animation probably took a lot of time!
because the pistons are in a W shape instead of a V Shape
Great statement! of course 1977 Monza´s 3,0 engine was a great one, but I still prefer VW´s W8. But If I have to decide from in-line 6 engines, surely I would get a BMW or even a M-B or Volvo. But this is just my opinion; other people may disagree.
That´s extremely interesting: modern all-alluminium blocks with full-electronic direct inyection are cheaper than old-school cast-iron engines. This is why now are not produced, not because progress an efficiency...
It has the same number of camshafts as any ordinary DOHC V8 would. Nothing special about that really. The beauty is how they designed the actuation so it performs like a normal DOHC
@Dialysisforever not V4...the W8 is an double VR4
same W16 veyron engine but "cut" in half, they used the same technology
Well, from first glance the big benefit I see is that it makes the engine shorter. Easier to fit in a car.
@peanuts2105
I agree. Throughout history, the Germans have lead the world in mechanical ingenuity. American v8's still use pushrods. Unless you count the Cadillac "Northstar" v8, but that one won't be made anymore.
Swedish engineer:s have made a W8. In aluminium. It looks really nice! Search on google!
That's one heavy looking fucker...
@peanuts2105 i agree with you
i consider japanese 4cylinder engines as the best, turbocharged or not
and italian companies (mostly supercars) make sick v12's
music reminds me 2 girls 1 cup, and that's disgusting... damn it
great engine, great space saving, superb
Its a V8 with offset cylinders, sounds like a V8, goes like a V8, just a bit shorter in length.
A big advancement for the internal combustion engine would be the phasing out of the poppet valve, and using coates patented CSRV, now that would make this engine far more efficient and also allow for higher compression and far better gas economy.
Coates. watch?v=pDsRa4eT7co
VW has taken a turn in quality for the worse, but they still have good innovations. Only problem nowadays is that they have too much pressure to get the cars out there. But they still did not make a huge error like toyota with their Prius:P
The crankshaft in this engine must be damn durable.....is this somekind of a specific metal??
Lol i thought the 3rd pair of cylinders would have it´s own cylinder head.
It is like having a V8 that is the size/length of a V6
what's the main advantage of this over a v8?
is it simply because of all the different angles from which pistons are pushing?
wait so 2 pistons are getting fired at once? ... or are they slightly staggered to get a smoother run?
@wpeti890720 it probably would have taken away from structural rigidity though... so it would limit the safe amount of torque and power allowed.
Whoever gave you a -1 is dumb. Bugatti has the W16, quad turbos. Basically two twin turboed V8s stuck together.
@discocreator76
And you know there are no weight or space advantages because you've researched this ? Have you ever seen one of VW's V6's in person? The width of the VW V6's vavle/cam cover teal is barely bigger than a plain jane inline 4.
Yea gutsrace! Hotrod Lincolin! Good toon.
im sure the w12 wasnt scrapped? they use it on the a8 6.0 w12 if im not wrong....same car from transporter 3....in which imo i think they should have used the s8 with the 5.0 v10 lambo gallardo engine instead.
*drools* Mmm.... quad cam action....
@razioth I have to consider the Ford 4 cylinders the best. The bottom ends of the 2.3L and 2.5L Lima motors can handle up to 8K Rpms. The factory crank shaft can handle 700HP. The motors are as we know right now capable of handling 425+Hp but the tranny can't handle it.
Most of all the motors are just about imposible to kill. They last upwards of 250K to 300K+ without rebuilds.
Personally, I don't like Ford. I like Jeep and Dodge. >.>
Fabuloso!!!
It's not a "true" W block engine as it doesn't have 3 distinct rows of pistons. The design is based on two V4 engines sharing the same crank shaft, often referred to as a double V or VV.
@ZenithRacing ooo ok....so would i beable to get a w12 engine and put it in a car that can already fit a 454 chevy big block(1969 camaro) and since its a w12 it would make more pwer then the v8?
This is overwhelming
man, it would suck to shift all thise valvesprings :D
imagine w8 diesel engine. The efficency would be astronomical
TDI, etc. Small engine, cc, light, 100bhp/lt output, and very fuel efficient. VR6's era's gone, due to emission. W8 is still questionable, unless they become FSI. I would prefer a Japanese I4, I6, V6, and easily get 100 bhp per liter. But I live in Asia and I am biased, ha.
Do you know that Honda officially discontinue the Civic FD2 Type R? The next type R, whatever it is, will have to be direct injection, or maybe turbo'ed in the same time.
Audi, skoka, and seat are all vw subsidiaries.