Winter is Here - Modelling with Precision Ice and Snow
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- We're kicking off a series on modelling snow and ice. Last time we built the mini dioramas that I am using as test pieces (check the video out here). This week we're starting with a look at the Precision Ice and Snow snow base set. It's also branded Krycell if you are looking out for it.
I've been blown away by the results you can get really quickly and in a variety of scales. This is the first product I've tested but I'm really impressed so far.
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Precision Ice and Snow - Full Ice and Snow Kit
HO Scale Busch Dodge truck
Halfords Clear Lacquer
Hair Spray (Extra Hold)
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Permanent Spray Adhesive
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Nice. A whole playlist on snow. Bob’s your uncle
Great tutorial Kathy...
Keep em coming, Thanks...
Thanks!
Wow!! Kathy, Thanks for this video. I have been wanting to make a ice snow scene on my layout. Men cutting ice from a lake then packing ice into open gondolas.
These videos have really given me plenty of ideas to try.
Sounds like a fascinating scene. My snow and ice diorama itself will be out later in the year and I’ll be doing ice on that.
Thanks Kathy. Great video.
Thanks
Great job as always Kathy.
Thanks!
Very interesting and the effects are great.
That looks amazing, you did a great job on those winter scenes.
Thanks Joe.
Hi Kathy, am with you on this one top marks ,All the best Brian
Thanks Brian
Awesome video! I'm a plastic scale modeler interested in dioramas, and your videos are helping a lot!
So glad I can help.
I've been using this for almost 2 yrs now on all my winter scenes and it blows my mind that this product is so effective and yet no one knows about it. But here are some tips I've picked up while using it...
1. Use the snow powder over an area that is very smooth (maybe a square piece of glass or the white, fold out project/diorama/presentation boards) bcuz this stuff seems finer than powdered sugar and you need a smooth surface to scoop up the powder and re-use it.
2. The slightest breeze will knock this stuff loose bcuz it's so fine, so be sure to have still air when using it. (I use clear acrylic spray or loctite spray glue for adhesion like the TH-cam videos describe)
2. A razor blade from a box cutter. Sounds a lil funny considering you're using a white powder... But the fine edge of the razor coupled with the super smooth surface you should be using it on will give you the best recollection of the material possible.
4. A VERY soft bristled fan brush for cleaning off excess powder from your work.
5. Finally, a small but thicker piece of paper folded into roughly a 5x5 square and, using the razor blade, scrape powder from your work surface onto that piece of paper to then dump back into your sieve.
I was able to fit all the listed things above into the box that the product came in so it has everything I need all in one box. I know this is a long message but this product needs praise bcuz it's hands down the best show material on the market that I'm aware of.
Thanks Darren. Some great advice there. Thanks for sharing.
Got to love winter....I think....maybe....hmmmm....🤨🤔😉
Great video, as always! 👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻
It has its good points!
Have to try it on my dios, your work looks wonderful and so atmospheric...very tempting, great vid!
It’s such a fun season to model and it is atmospheric so good luck with your modelling.
Great video, given me lots of ideas to work with, thank you
Thanks Lance. There’s more to come.
Hi Kathy. Great snow effect all round, Tire tracks could look cool slightly muddied up too. Caught you on What's neat with Ken Patterson last night great video and your tutorials over the year's have helped me no end. I'm not a train modeler though mainly 1/25 24th scale vehicles with Diorama displays. Thank you for all 'you do for the modeling community. Cheers' from Tasmania John.
Thanks John. I will be doing muddied tyre tracks on the MRVP diorama when I get to the road section.
thank you for another informative video Kathy
Glad you enjoyed it.
This was a great video to pair with the first. Never tried modeling snow and always wanted to. Thanks to your video, (as with many others you have done) Brett and I are surely going to attempt to create some snow. Great diorama's you did!
Have fun and I’ll follow your adventures on instagram.
Brilliant job as always
Thanks!
Hi Kathy, very good vid, I have to put on my winter coat. greetings from Holland
Thanks! It’s getting colder next week!
very helpful, thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
@@KathyMillatt Absolutely. I've been given a bunch of empty PC towers. I want to use them to build a vertical diorama display, for my classroom, with each tower containing a main diorama, and perhaps a smaller one in the CD-ROM bays. All of them to be junkbot in style, but rethinks of old nursery rhymes, Mother Goose, that kind of thing. The first one I'd like to make in a Christmas winter village theme, hence the desire to learn how to make a snowy diorama! The overall title of the diorama set will be Daddy Junkbot (instead of Mother Goose), and 'he' will be Father Christmas in this first diorama! This should be a lot of fun!
I've only ever tried it with hair spray, but I loved the way you got different layers and very different results. The hardest thing is knowing when to stop. Great video be interested in the other products you use now Andy
You are so right and you can’t take that last layer off.
Excellent result. Like it! And in snowy Russia, it is still customary to use improvised materials to create dioramas, since special materials cost a lot of money. For example, snow is often created by mixing PVA glue, soda, and white acrylic paint.
interesting idea for your custom snow. I'm considering using white grout. What do you think of that idea?
Great video - thanks for the insight 👍
Thanks!
Winter's been here in Minnesota for a month already, but I like your version much, much better!
Thanks!
Kathy, very interesting! So far, I don't see a need for it on my model railroad (perpetual late spring to early summer) BUT when I get back to doing some military modeling (my other addiction) this might be very helpful for some winter scenes. Thanks for sharing this with us.
That’s my main reason for doing dioramas where I can try something completely different.
I'm fairly new to the modelling scene and I must say, you're an inspiration. I hope to scratch build a winter village scene for display Christmas 2019 and this will help me! Thanks.
Glad I can inspire you!
@@KathyMillatt With me, it makes at least two! You inspired kev and me and many others, for sure. I love your tutorials!
cool channel. i want to make a snow scene for my warhammer. from all the videos i have watched so far, i think i have found your video the best in terms of being concise and informative. thanks for the video
Brilliant. Glad you found it useful.
I use das then the white flock for deepness then hairspray makes it solid and then precision snow and ice! The sparkles and the footprints you can make is so cool! You can wet it again to make it look melted around edges etc but spray the vehicle with the lacquer first and use the powder only in the sieve and shake it over the effect is perfect! Don't paint it on! Use there TH-cam video for details on this it's easier than there instruction manual haha!
Interesting stuff. It looks effective. I have now used the chinchilla dust you recommended for mud on my WWI layout. It worked quite well.
Great! Glad it worked for you.
Looking forward to see what you do with the ice sheets.
Still thinking about those.
Yeah, Precision Ice and Snow has very good products. I'd love to do an entire gaming board with it and with their ice sheets. Perhaps at some point.
Definitely worth doing.
Interesting product. I recall a layout in RM many years ago where it was all covered, but that's the only one I have ever seen.
I know some people have sections of their layout with snow. There are a few well known ones in the shoulder months with a bit of lingering snow.
Great video
Thanks.
Maybe next summer. Interesting effects, especially the automobile. Thanks.
It’s taken me a while to get around to it. So much to do!
Very nice. I used the Precision Ice and Snow kit on a small diorama. It was so much fun to do and it came out very good. It takes a LOT of experimentation to figure out how to get the look you want. As you pointed out, the glue you use totally changes how the snow looks. And yes, I had the same yellowing tint to at least one of the hairspray brands I tried. Others didn't seem to do that. I never did have good results with the adhesive they included. And you also pointed out, you have to constantly shake the ice and snow wash. Otherwise it's just clear liquid. The "snow" in it falls out of suspension really fast. Again, it was a lot of fun and the kit is really a bargain with how much/many diorama or model you can cover with it.
Bruce, I totally agree with everything you’ve said.
The hairspray never worked well for me with this stuff. I think it's too good for hairspray! I've found AMAZING results using the acrylic gloss spray (AutoZone Rust-Oleum rattle cans) that it mentions in the tutorials tho. Or loctite spray glue fine mist worked good too. And of course scenic cement works too. I actually ordered my kit 2 yrs ago so mine didn't come with the adhesive they offer now but I don't think I'd use it anyway since I've become much more confident with the gloss spray or spray glue.
I found the tyre tracks worked best with a glue that stayed wet a little longer so the snow remained malleable for longer. Hairspray worked well for this and was recommended in their instructions so I didn’t try it with the other sprays. It’s good to know that other sprays can work too. It was fascinating to see what different results you could get from the same product.
Nice job!! BTW saw you on what’s neat this week with Ken Paterson great video there too, Ken seems like a pretty cool dude
Thanks. Ken is cool!
Really good tutorial young lady
Thanks a lot.
I would assume that if you are spraying the adhesive in a particular direction to match the prevailing wind or wind direction, you would also sift the snow in the same manner. Tilting the piece so the snow hits at the same angle as the adhesive. Although I did see you tilting it after I posted this. When you did it didnt look like very much was sifting to where you wanted it.
It is hard to get the powder to apply sometimes but it only sticks where the glue is so you can move the diorama in all angles to get good snow coverage if needed then tap the excess off.
Nice Tutorial
Thanks.
Thanks much!
You’re welcome.
Kathy great video. Going to buy some having watch many videos, but yours convinced me . John
Great. Do let me know how it goes.
@@KathyMillatt will do . ,Going to use the snow on a diorama , then I have something in mind for the broken ice sheet . . Thanks for the reply .John .
Hi Kathy, went well, used hair spray as the adhesive. Did the snow from one side on a building, only trouble was shaking off the loose snow, the odd loose brick and joist came out as well ! In all thought it was great, now doing another diorama with the KV1 and a Panzer 1 F in open country, with the Panzer having gone through the ice . Using the broken sheet one, talk about well packed as you said ! John .
t34 fan glad it went so well. I haven’t used the broken sheet yet so let me know how it works out.
@@KathyMillatt Hi just finish the ice, wow its great easy to use. You can see it on Scale Model Forum www.scale-models.co.uk/threads/kv1-meets-little-panzer.32302/ John.
Awesome video and some very useful experiments. I am tempted to give this product a try for my snow scenes. So far I’ve used the WS solution and white spray paint. I remember bunch of other dioramas from your last video, so are you planning to do other review/ how-to on snow? Cheers! Kaustav
Yes, I’ve got 5 or 6 tests planned. I’ve done quite a few already and it’s fascinating.
Kathy - sounds great! I’ll be eagerly waiting to see the test results. :)
Great review, thanks. I've just had a look at their website. Very well laid out with lots of demos and guides. I look forward to seeing the other snow products and methods. Cheers.
It is a great website for examples.
Yeh AK now have these small bloonballs for the snow powders iv ordered afew if there new products to test it really amazes me on snow detail
They’re great for snow. My favourite product.
Hi I'm a modeler and a car pannal beater by trade this is an old kinda mechanics trick to warm spray paints up to stop the orange peeling when layed down to melt the pigments into the lacquer just be careful I had a can bottom blow out on me I near shit a brick! Sorry for that but only way I could make it sound serious just aswell I done it out at front door durn summer or would have been in the house! NOT RECOMMENDED ANYONE WATCHING THIS to use a spray can indoors! I have started using precision snow and ice hut using hairspray for the lacquer its perfect and goes solid!
Great video. I have some of this stuff up in the loft that I was going to use for a winter layout (now on hold.. maybe in 2mm later) Anyway I think this stuff does look really good, However it's a little more difficult to shake off the excess if your layout is all fixed down! (A hoover maybe, although that might disturb things too much or struggle to pick it up?) I think mixed with the deluxe materials snow or something else you could really make an effective layout.
I would use a hand held hoover just used for scenery. You do the same with static grass so it shouldn’t pull too much off.
Deluxe is coming up soon.
Wow Kathy these look amazing! Would you ever do a Game of Thrones diorama? Thanks for the continued inspiration :) :)
Hi Kate. I stopped watching it I’m afraid.
@@KathyMillatt No worries and thanks for the reply and the inspiration. Btw shame you can't get Superdry to sponsor you with some more cool hoodies :)
I wish!
Saw you on What's Neat this Week with Ken Paterson, you were brilliant, even if so early in the morning your time. Do you know a way us Yanks can watch The Great Model Railway Challenge episodes you and Ken discussed? If you are in them they must be really great! (Nice winter TH-cam here, too.) Thanks very much.
Hi, I think people in the US have watched the Great Model Railway Challenge on TH-cam. Obviously it’s copyrighted so does get taken down regularly.
Glad you enjoyed What’s Neat. Ken is so much fun.
Nice job Kathy. Thank you for teaching us winter modeling. I've been looking forward to this series. Hard to tell on the video, but I'm wondering if you think white flour or baking soda would be a possible cheaper option in lieu of buying the fine snow powder? Thank you!
I will try baking soda but I’m not sure about flour. I honestly think it’s a bit yellow at times but also, it just doesn’t seem inert enough.
@@KathyMillatt Thank you!
Nice look! Problem is like luke towan, it's hard to turn over your layout to clean off the excess!
Thanks. I use a hoover on my layout.
It can be done, but it depends on the size of the board or diorama, and forward planning. There are techniques for applying the snow as you want and fixing it afterwards after you are happy with the coverage. These watering in techniques can produce some of the most realistic results imaginable. See 'Fine Snow Effects' here.
drive.google.com/file/d/1pL_1BMEdaDmywP_X5cwSh6dtQos_X6er/view
Which material or product do you recommend for making realistic loose snow which can be cleared by a OO gauge snowplough on an exhibition layout demonstrating these transferable skills Kathy?
I like micro balloons. Or try Precision Ice and Snow’s products.
Been toying with the idea of trying out the PI&S gear. I think I've just made up my mind. Got a Tiger I with a snow coat that needs a home...
Good luck!
We were concerned that our sieves were releasing the snow powders too easily and too fast. They were 700mu, or .7mm aperture. We have now changed the design, width and mesh size completly. The mesh is now 500mu, or .5 mm aperture.
The new sieves work with all of our snow powders and they give modellers the complete control they need over the dispersal of our snow powders.
Thanks for the great review Kathy!
www.precisioniceandsnow.com/store/p58/Precision_Ice_and_Snow_Sieve..html
That’s great to know. I use that sieve so much as it gives lovely coverage. I may have to try the finer one too.
You produce great products and the snow looks really amazing.
Never tire of your video's always good information and great tips.
On a full layout would the powders work in a PUFFER type bottle and then the hand help vacuum to remove the excess?
That's a good point. I wonder if something like a static grass applicator would be able to charge the snow particles and make them go in a particular direction? For sure getting the "snow" on the edge of things (a nice effect) is going to require something else apart from holding the entire layout up at an angle :-)
Yes, a sieve is easier to fill though. I would definitely use a hand held hoover on a layout.
I’ll be using some static flocks in later weeks. If you angle the glue, you can “whisk” the powder on with a straw.
Kathy, this series is GRRReat. How many snow video's will be in the series? I'm really interested in this as I am going to do Snow in the next 2-3 months. will you be doing a conclusion video with all the products? Thanks again for all the info on this subject and all the rest.
Hi Mike, there’s another 3 videos. Conclusions are in the last two but it’s hard as snow is not just one thing and different products suit different snows.
@@KathyMillatt Kathy Thank You Cant Waite for the rest. Im Modeling Southern Colorado and Northern New Mexico ( Yes it is part of the US you most probably know that however half of the people here dont.) So winter is on its way in the second and 3rd section of my RR. Thanks for your info. I would send some photos but dont know how here>
I’ve been to both Colorado and New Mexico! The photos look beautiful but you can keep all that snow!
Thanks for the tutorial Kathy!
No Warley video this year?
Andy, I just didn’t have time. I was on stands or busy with the production company. I barely got around any layouts myself.
You heated up a pressurised can?! That's brave.
Only with warm water. Recommended to do so but bear in mind, it’s hand hot water.
Great stuff as always, Kathy. Where did you get your sieves?
The sieve came in the pack.
Thanks Kathy, I am just experimenting with these at the moment. How permanent is the hairspray finish? does it stand up to any knocks when dry or is it still quite loose powder? I have heard that a spray over with clear laquer at the end is recommended.
Hairspray is the least robust and I would generally not recommend it for items that are going to get knocked a lot. Cheat lacquer over the top would make it look icy but you could dust a fine layer of snow over and blow off the excess to get a more powdery look. If you want a more robust snow, I’d use a solid white base/paste then just use the lacquer and a light powder coat.
@@KathyMillatt
Thank you. I experimented with a generous layer of air spray over the top and it seems to create a good top layer and fixes everything down. I even tried putting powder on dry and then sealing on top of it with spray which works well to. 🙂
@@robholton8153 That's great to know. Thank you!
@@KathyMillatt no problem and thank you for all the videos over the years, I have learnt so much x x
Hi Kathy, Brilliant videos, very informative thank you. One question, where did you get the metal shaker/sieve. Having trouble finding one and it looks a useful tool .. keep up the videos :-)
This came with the precision snow starter kit but I reckon a tea strainer would do as well. They used to be really common, very small sieves for your tea.
@@KathyMillatt Thanks for that :-)
Great explanation. A bit of a hassle to turn your layout upside down to tap the powder off but there is a way no doubt.....😬
I think a hoover would work. I have a scenery only small hand held one.
What's the foundation made out of?
I did a video on making the bases. Foam is the quick answer though.
I have always worried about modelling snow. I have never seen any because I live in Australia.
Amazing! We don’t get that much in the UK and not every year around me. We do get a lot of frost etc. I guess photos are your best friend when modelling the unknown.
where can you buy the snow packs
Everything is linked on the description.
Is this solid enough to be painted?
Not really but it depends what you want to paint. I’m sure you could airbrush it.
Nice product but seems it would be hard to use on a permanent layout since you can't flip it upside down to tap the excess off
A hoover would work well if you have a dedicated one like I do. I build a lot of even my layout scenery on dioramas so it’s perfectly doable. I would have thought though, that if your layout is too big to turn upside down to tap, you wouldn’t necessarily be using this for the bulk of your snow. A layer of white DAS clay or another snow paste could cover a more expansive area first. They’re coming up.
@@KathyMillatt on gotcha. Makes sense. Thanks
I don't tap it off if wanting it thicker I just leave it and spray the top of it with the hairspray to build it up in 3 goes! Then top fine layer! Waste of time for same results really ! More you play with it you get to know it but wouldn't payer by layer for starting your build up when top layer does it all after the depth is set to your likeness! Have you tried out AKs products for there snow and ice yet? Im away to try them through the week when they arrive they look great check out there TH-cam videos for this too! The tips are so useful too!
Check out my videos, most AK products are there.
I find that if you don’t tap it off, the underneath can be left unstuck which can cause problems later.
@@KathyMillatt I done 3 thick layers with hairspray for a test when got it the other day and it's went like a brick! I watched that terrain Tutors show on how to get deep snow cheaper using das clay and the white flock! I got a box with the sieve and 2 bottles of precision ice and snow free when ordered my bergepanther recovery tank my friend owns a hobby shope here who is retired RAF he just wouldn't take anything for it it's got £25 on the box I felt so occurred but said cuz I was NHS take it! Precision ice and snow themselves on TH-cam yesterday contacted me saying, " we want to give our NHS free stuff" and sent me a private email addy! That's all abit much for me iv got the money aside for my hobby I always put abit aside especially for supplies etc I said that was so kind but so occurred I can't take anything it's not exactly fair in my eyes I'm nothing special but don't know if would have paid the £25 for the stuff myself maybe but I was more looking towards AKs products i have been watching! How were they snow balloonballs? I saw your video AKs channel is quite interesting using the cracked ice and frosted sparkles I'm away to order some tonight after work just on a break watching some videos haha! Stay safe!
Scottish Bonsai the AK balloons are just like the Deluxe Materials micro balloons and I’ve done a video on those. I also use them as my favourite snow on most of the video techniques.
@@KathyMillatt cool yeh they looked good!
Kathy- I'd try just pressing the tyres into the snow, rather than running them through it.
How do you get the tyre tracks doing that?
@@KathyMillatt Well if you want them running the full length of your dio, you can just press in, brush off- rinse and repeat.
Interesting. I like the method I use now as it gives realistic even ruts and the indents in the tyres themselves are left in the snow. Have you a photo showing how your method looks please so I can compare the two? Thanks
@@KathyMillatt I haven't, sorry. I thought you'd just made ruts as it looked that way- my eyes aren't great these days.
If it works, stick with it. I have tried your method and I was disappointed- I suppose a lot has to do with the surface and what it's made of.
I'm always fascinated to try new methods so was intrigued. I know what you mean about the surface - I'll do a sum up video of all the products and put a better photo on it so you can see whether this worked as well as you would hope.
Hi ! the videos are fine and useful, but in my opinion you talk a lot.