Honda Civic 1.6 Diesel - Things I hate about it but why it's a great car! 2012 - 2016
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- Even though this car only has 118bhp, it's 300NM of torque deliveres an excellent level of power. A 0-60 time of roughly 9 secs.
The build of the civic is excellent. A great family hatchback that you can rely on. It is not designed for a racing mindset but rather a safe car providing less hassle when it comes to regular maintainance and finance. It won't jerk your body when you accelerate hard but it will still get you moving when you need it. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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had mine 4.5 years now, it is as you say 'sensible' but over that time it's been the most stress free ownership experience of any car I've owned. A-B without drama, I have the 1.8 vtec and turn off the econ, air con etc everything comes alive when you take it up the revs. Getting long in the tooth now but it'll be a sad day come part ex day. easy to clean up the fussy dash by fitting a modern double DIN touchscreen stereo as well 🤩 good video - covered everything a propective buyer might need to know.
Thank u buddy!! Yes brilliant car!
I’ve just bought a red 2018 Honda civic diesel 1.6 and honestly I can’t get the car quick enough. My Kia has broken down three years in a row and it’s given me so much stress that I’d have breakdowns myself. The breakdowns were always electrical and connection faults too. I’ve been told my Kia will be going to auction but to be honest it should really be torched. I really hope my Honda civic will be minimal stress like you say, I honestly need things to go right for once haha
Well I can’t speak for the 2018 model however I have no doubt Honda has kept their reliability going strong over the years :) good luck!
@@RacexEV 😃
5:13 Anyone else sobbing looking at fuel prices when this was filmed vs now 🤣
by the way...
the eco cruise control is a masterpiece as it offers the option of losing a bit of speed to increase economy and you always have the option to switch to normal .....i actually use eco cruise all the time and am seldom on motorways and love the fact you can actually change gear without dropping out of cruise....
and make no mistage as an ex lotus elise long term owner the civic drives country lanes remarkably well and is fun
i actually think the civic is way under rated on reviews by drivers who could never benefit from a drivers drivers car lol
Thnx 4 an honest review
Did you have the 2012-15 or 15-17 model
Ah yes you are correct. You do the have option. I totally forgot about that. Thanks!
The Civic is better than the Golf.
Sure....not
Civic will out live the poor golf. So many diesel VW's with problems
Correct my friend VW overrated 💩 been there done it twice VW then Audi ..like an idiot, never again …
Mk9 is
But i owned a civic mk10 for 3 years
And the mk10 sucks
Yep, more reliable and a huge boot. The handling of the slightly newer version of this is as good as the golf. They changed the suspension, steering rack, the side windows to thicker glass, more under floor sound insulation, lined the rear wheel arches with thick carpet like stuff. Much better plastics on the dash, an Audi style feel, better exterior trim, rear spoiler and front light leds. Seat trim is nicer, but not the best quality stitching. It just looks better and I’ve had 75mpg in the summer and 65mpg in -8 degree temperatures. Best car I’ve ever owned and I’ve had a few VW products.
So I am in to 2 weeks of ownership of a 2016 1.6 dtec model - sport trim. I can not fault the car. I have owned a few Type R's (one EP3 and two FN2s) in the past and love Honda, I needed something more frugal as I do a 100 mile commute each day. This Car is Fantastic to drive - the Torque is stunning for a 1.6 diesel engine. I can do 60+mpg even at over 70mph on a 50 mile trip. I do have the touch screen and the reversing camera which is a must due to the rear view - but that was meant for aerodynamics - yes it's not ideal - but the car was designed to be MPG efficient that way.
It's a nice looking car, Frugal, but there is still fun to be had. Bloody love mine.
I'd Highly recommend the civic, Sensible it is, but way better than you'd think.
(BTW - I have had VW Golfs, BMW 3 series, - this is far better.
The other car in the household is an 18 plate Polo - that replaced a Golf. That's a great little runaround for city driving)
Thinking of a CRV with this engine.. is it reliable engine ?
@@A4ANT I would choose it over the 1.5 turbo
I used to get 75 mpg at 70 mph
Do you have the gen9 restyling? In terms of handling, does it behave the same as "Race X" explained in the video on gen9? Like a little soft and stuff.
@@pawballer1964I’ve got a 65 reg Gen 9 facelift Sport 1.6 diesel, and the handling isn’t as responsive as I would like. It’s a bit wobbly in the corners. Even though it’s a Sport, the suspension is standard height, as per all the rest in the range (except the Type R). The mk5 Golf Sport I had previously handled better. Other than this, everything else is really good about the car. Road tax is free also. A decent alternative to the Focus and Astra.
9th gen petrol civic driven it 90k been an absolutely fabulous car great gearshift steering and pedal weighing been to the limiter everyday utterly reliable.
Thanks buddy for the honest review, and I might buy this car as my first car
Thanks for the review. FYI, econ mode is designed specifically to drop a couple of miles an hour on cruise control. It also affects your aircon output. Normal cruise on any car constantly adapts engine speed to maintain speed over ground. This is inherently inefficient, as fuel economy is gained through more progressive transitions through engine rpm. Econ mode purposely builds in a lag to smooth out these transitions, resulting in a natural lag in speed over ground when you encounter a hill. Therefore, if they took that lag out of econ mode you would have no difference in fuel efficiency which would mean econ mode would just be a button that did nothing but choke your aircon.
Thanks buddy. Yeah I was very clueless about but after some comments over time I realised I was wrong
I’ve got the 2.2 2012 diesel. I’ve owned it for 9 years.
It’s had thousands of pounds in repairs in the last 12 months. (Clutch & flywheel, glow plugs, disks and pads, alternator, battery) but with the miles I’ve put on it (well over 100k) I’m not surprised.
The leather seats are getting a little bit worn and I’d worn a hole in the drivers mat (bought a new one from Honda) but it still drives like it did when I bought it.
Personally I like the quick, sharp steering on A roads. I think it corners way better than a golf. The steering is way more responsive and the gear change has a better, shorter throw.
The rides a bit hard for our pot hole riddled roads in the U.K. and the sound insulation isn’t the best- the golf is better for that.
Rear visibility is definitely a weak point,I agree with you there, at least the 9th gen comes with a reversing camera as standard- had to have one fitted for the same reason to my 8th gen civic back in the day.
It’s broken down once in nine years and still got me to the nearest garage when the alternator failed.
I average 53 mpg all year round and I don’t drive it gently.
On a mostly motorway/A road run I’ve seen 60mpg+ regularly which isn’t bad for the bigger older diesel. £20 road tax too.
Can’t complain at some bigger expenses every five years or so. No cam belt to change which beats out any of the VW rivals and servicing isn’t too expensive. It’s been insanely cheap to run, I’m hoping to run it for a few years yet!
I’ve owned loads of Hondas- my uncle used to manage a main dealer so maybe I’m a bit biased, had a 2004 Accord EX, a 2006 civic EX GT, and the 2012 civic EX GT has been with me since 2014.
In my experience they’re bullet proof if you look after them, diesels have never been something Honda’s been famous for but I’ve never had anything other than wear and tear items fail.
The clutches are the biggest weak point on Honda diesels mechanically and they’re an expensive fix-a lot of Labour involved I’ve had one replaced on every Honda diesel I’ve had.
The glow plug change was pricey too, they’re buried down at the back of the engine to the point even the wiper arms and windscreen drain has to come out- if you ever get a PGM-Fi code on the display that’s most likely the glow plugs.
But they don’t need replacing till at least 100k miles.
The 1.6 is better to work on I’ve been told as the engine doesn’t absolutely fill the engine bay so the glow plugs are easier to get to.
This area is not a forum, it's to leave short comments. You are the kind of person who buys civics so I'm not surprised 😅😅
@@Ruthless121 thanks for reminding me about TH-cam’s none existent comment word limit.
Don’t read longer comments if your brain only has a limited capacity.
I don’t even own my civic anymore I’ve had a Mercedes CLS since September.
Let’s apply the same judgment to your comment, considering your self proclaimed limited mental capacity I’d imagine you ride an E scooter with no crash helmet.
@@Ruthless121on the contrary, i like reading detailed comments. Valuable info all from yt comments section
@@adamek9750Thankyou!
" if you ever get a PGM-Fi code on the display that’s most likely the glow plugs. "
Mmm I had a PGM-Fi code but the reader said there there was no error, happened during driving.
So weird. Done 120K miles. Glow plug failure will not show a code?
Driving enjoyment is relative and compared to my previous car the 1.6 Civic is a hoot. I'll be testing other cars for driver enjoyment for my next change, but considering the mpg and reliability this'll do for now.
haha "BLUE!" Great detailed info!!
Thanks for the heads up, I don't think anyone else has talked about these little things. I did not know them.
I bought a 2012 2.2idtec with 135,000 miles in 2018 and in 2023 its now done 242000 miles with only 1 oil change and, whilst it feels pretty worn out in the suspension and i think I've probably had my use out of it, everything works and it starts up every time. I'll definitely get another, probably a 1.6
About the speed reduction when cruising in eco, they did it to maximise the fuel efficiency till the last drop. In diesel civic only the cruise control and the climate control are affected by eco mode and not the actual engine mapping, so just drive it in the normal mode, won't make a difference, except of you are an extremist hunting for amazing mpg and if so, the car will deliver without issues. I had this car for 300.000km and in my humble opinion is fun to drive, not as much as a Focus, but better than Golf and the rest non premium brands.
Cheers bro just bought 1.6 diesel 10th gen civic really pleased with it.
Keep it! I sold mine and bought a 1 series. I stand regret. Didn't realise bmw made such a shit car. Lol gnna get something else now
@@RacexEV yeah I've heard about them best avoided, good luck bro 👍.
@@rolandrimann8788 thanks man! On my way to get engine oil for the beamer lol be careful on the bumps with civic. Mine was overly low for some reason.
@@RacexEV i have a civic 2013 a great car...... now if the back seat gets stuck you cant get at it because there is no little hatch big problem trust me a nightmare,,,,, great video btw
1) I have the CIvic Tourer of that era. So i don't have the bar in the rear window.
2) Less buttons with the infotainment system + pick up a call or to dial is as easy or bad on previous cars i had (2020 Astra, Golf 6)
3) Cruise Control, i agree, it takes quite a while in ECO mode to catch up in case you're on a hill. I have the 1.8 petrol, so it is not related to the 1.6 diesel.
4) I specifically chose the engine version because i came from a 3 cylinder turbo. Compared to this, the 1.8 is a beast in terms of how smooth it runs and especially how it sounds. I had the 3 cylinder for two years, never again. Sounds like a rattling toolbox and it will give you headaches because of DI, LSPI, oil sump, belt in oil and all that.
The Civic needs some petrol and some new oil every ~ 10,000 km and it gives you no further issues.
Would i buy it again? Definitely.
Love this!
Have the same model Tourer 1.8iVtec all black pre facelift with only 95.000km...😁 the engine is so smooth that people think it's a hybrid.😂 You can't hear engine when warm at all.
Great review mate. Would you say this engine has enough power for overtaking on A roads and going up long relatively steep hills on motorways?
Even though this car only has 118bhp, it's 300NM of torque deliveres an excellent level of power. A 0-60 time of roughly 9 secs.
The build of the civic is excellent. A great family hatchback that you can rely on. It is not designed for a racing mindset but rather a safe car providing less hassle when it comes to regular maintainance and finance. It won't jerk your body when you accelerate hard but it will still get you moving when you need it.
That's a very fair assessment regarding the sensibility of buying this car.
I'm at an age now where rolling around under a car doing repairs has lost it's allure and that's the reason for purchasing this model plus the bonus of zero road tax and great mpg.
Thanks for making the video and for taking the time to upload.
No problem. Really appreciate your comment!
is it possible to replace the radio and set the navigation?
Newer one has voice recognition and the dash does kinda need all the those buttons, not as many as you’d think and the 8th gen was the same. Decent set of tyres helps out the handling and I tend to drive it harder than my type r😂
Can you make a video showing how mod-able the car is cosmetically?
for me great car
Thanks for the video. well-structured and this is what I needed to know about this car. Cheers
Thank you for that, appreciate the comment!
The only problem I've had with mine is that it's only 4cm high! Apart from being lower than an MX5, good quality motor car.
Honda like the other person commented do not like worn tyres much, they tend to be louder and it affects handling very slightly too, hope you get sorted, it only needs a tweak here or there,
Loved this video honesty 👌
Thank you brother!! Glad I made it
I wanted to get one but unfortunately I don’t fit in it 😢
Class video this was mate
Thank you so much man!!!!!!!!!!
East and West Honda is the best
How tall are you? Im 6 ft 2 and i went inside one. Seemed a bit cramped.
Top Car I have 2016 model tourer disesel
Can i looking for buy 2013 model Honda civic 1.6 good or bat plz reply
How many miles par gallon??
Is the rear spoiler removable
One question about the cc. When it's on and you come near the front car what is the reaction of the car? Brake itself?
No the car continues as normal so you have to brake yourself. It’s not an adaptive cruise control sadly.
Racing around a residential area.. nice
You call that racing? Loool
Im stuck between a cibic or a focus 65 reg age
Is this adaptive cruise control on these Civics , does it speed up and slow down with the traffic in front of you?
nope.
1.6 DTEC is very economical, but it misses humpff on the Autobahn, better get the 2.2 DTEC and mild tune
I have Honda civic 2015 1.6 idtec for morr then 2uears now ... WHAT CAN I SAY: CAR IS AMAZING AND I LOVE IT!
P.S. Forget about the Seat(shit on) and VW!
Hey mate,
I am curious about something about this car. I have the same car at the same age, 2013. There is something funny with my honda which I don't know if it's normal for all Civics at this age. I feel too much bouncing in the cabin. When I am driving on a motorway, I cannot rest my head on the head support comfortable because it seems that the shock absorbent are a bit stiff.
I took the car to my mechanic and he said it was "normal" because the car has this "sport style".
I had a crap ford Fiesta 2008 and I could feel as much vibration in the cabin as I feel with this honda.
What is your opinion about the shock absorbents/suspension of this car?
Hi mate sorry for the late response. I have experienced anything like that. The car suspension seems fine to me and I can rest my head comfortable. Sorry. It seems to be a specific problem but I'm not knowledgeable on it
Probably worn shocks or even badly worn tyres. Hondas dont respond well to badly worn tyres. Your roads may be an issue too. Some arent laid down smooth. A "friday evening" job that everyone feels for years afterwards
I'd get your tracking and where balancing checked out, ive got the 2016 version of this its so so smooth no.vibration at all, also inspect the tie rods and contr arms for wear n tear
2014 tourer, no bouncing and everything fine. Stock suspension and Yokohama Advan Sport tyres on it.
I've caned a few Ford ST'S in mine, it's stock too no mods
Legend 💯
Why are diesel cars not popular in the US? We have huge long stretches of highway where the amazing fuel economy and higher energy density would make a diesel IDEAL!
The reason why is not popular is the big oil companies like to sell you more gas:They do not let small engines to import here:I am going to Serbia and I am looking to buy me a diesel, Honda Civic:I will be there for six months
Are there any oil dilution issues with this engine? Do you smell gasoline from the oil dipstick?
I don't think so. Never experienced any issues like that. It is a great engine. Never smelt any gasoline
@@RacexEV Awesome thanks!
They did revise the steering and suspension on the face lift around 2015, its much better.
I also find rear visibility, screen glare and eco cruise control annoying. I would also describe it as Sensible.
Thanks man. Didn’t expect anyone to watch this one as it’s an older car. But yh I’m glad you agreed with my points! :) thanks for commenting. Would love to try the newer models some day.
Had both the Mk.9 and the Mk.10 Civics, the Mk.9 was a manual diesel which was totally reliable and averaged 60 mpg. The Mk.10 was a 1.0 cvt (126bhp) only averaged 40mpg but was a much nicer car than the old one with loads of kit as standard (ie adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist ) and cornered much better than the old car.
I wish I had kept it or swapped it for a 1.5 which gets great reviews.
I would avoid the 1.5 petrol as it has a problem with oil dilution
Timing belt on the 1.0 at 75k.or 6 years is astronomically expensive ALOT of people with this version going to be in for a shock.
@@raptorpome2577 I agree in part with what you have said. But it needs to be serviced every six months. If you can do that it will be just as good as any Honda
@@raptorpome2577 The oil dilution was only a problem on a very limited number of (early) 1.5 liter turbo engine cars. Also the problem was related to very short driving distances (motor never warmed -up) on the cars where it was an issue.
This engine doesn't appear to be ULEZ compliant
Is 1.6 deisel motor good?
It is yep. The better of hondas diesel engines. The 2.2 is a lot more fun to drive but from what i have seen the 1.6 gets the upper hand for reliability. There will be nay sayers but hey ive worked on both a few times
Would you say it's fine over 100000 miles if well looked after.
Oh hell yeah bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They have a 1 million km warrenty on the engine🤷♂️. Says enough about it. Ive put about 20,000 km on mine in under a year with no issues to report except for the occasional regen (thats my own fault. Turns out these dont like anything other than diesel). Fuel filter is cruel to change so a lot of places wont want to do it. Ive gone at mine at least 3 times and failed. RANT OVER
I love mine. No intentions of selling it
Is it true that this diesel engine is an oil burner?
No,doesn't burn a drop. One of the best small diesels ever made. No known problems making in incredibly reliable .
Slowing down on inclines uses a lot less fuel.
You got 450 miles our of a 50L tank? I have a honda jazz 09 petrol i-shift and when the light comes on I fill the tank to the top which is about 32 litres from the fuel light coming on and I am getting 300 miles to 350. You must drive it like a gokart, becuase that is terrible economy.
Not 450 every time. But yes I was driving very rough on the car and on the motorway I was doing 90 plus always. Don’t drive like that anymore though.
Aint ya biffed your knee on silly door panel whilst exiting yet , OUCH !
Haha well spotted
Completely agree 👍🏻
Has anybody had any issues with the clutch, my car has done 64,000 miles and I am on the 3rd clutch? All replaced FOC by Honda so clearly they have issues!
Very odd. Honestly never had issue
No I had running until now in Denmark 300 k and I still have original clutch.
mine judders if it has been raining the night before, ok after a few miles and is great then all day, wish honda would replace mine foc
Got the same car and I can agree with all of the things...Worst thing is the rear view engine is fantastic
I hear problems with clutch judder when pulling away do you experience this
@@mhowsin yes mostly on a colder wet day...at first I was thinking I was pulling away to hard spinning the wheels. It goes away once car warms up
@@propanbutan4634 Still have problems with clutch? I want to buy one these days. thx
@@laurentiuolivian1861 yes only on cold damp days which is like half a year in the uk 🤣🤣🤣. Otherwise not doing it. I'm in Spain atm drove fro northern England and the drivers seat is VERY VERY BAD extremely uncomfortable to the point where I'm thinking buying a aftermarket seat
@@laurentiuolivian1861 with the clutch thing you just have to very light engage the clutch and gas gently and it won't judder
do not agree with you have 1.6 dtec from 2016 car drives very comfortable and not boring better than a vw or seat had them both
I don't think the U.S. got those with the diesel.
Have you tried the gen9 restyling? If so, would the conclusion be the same as gen9? I mean it's a bit of a boring car and not for car enthusiasts.
Super auto
I hate and love mine. It's small and I can come around. But my 2015 has a CVT and omfg it is so freaking slow even when you want to be aggressive you can literally tell the cvt is not responding and you have to wait for it to switch or something car literally does nothing until CVT changes gears. It is so slow.
Simple not use Eco Mode!!! you are driving 50mil/h in a residential area??
"when your on the motorway.. doing 75.. 80...
You get a speeding fine..
No police don't really care about 5 -10 mph. I was doing 90mph with a group of police bikes behind me but I didn't know they were police till they caught up. They didn't do anything. If u get a ticket for 80 it's very unlucky for u.
@@RacexEV drive like hell and you will surely get there, not my words but maybe worth knowing the travel time difference driving 70 or going 90 mph will only save 9 minutes over a 50!!!!! Miles
@@sipepguru There's parts of the world where 80 mph is a reasonable and nice travelling speed. So it is more about scamming and less about true safety. Safety comes in a package of speed, lane discipline, traffic awareness and so on. But of course, a speed camera is quick money.
@@heros2110 80 mph is the normal speed in Germany. I'm usually driving around 100 mph.
@@Asto508As a Swiss I drive 120mph on German Autobahn.😂😂😂
J’ai une Honda civic 2.2 i-dtec de 2012 elle a 230000 km elle tourne comme une horloge, tout est encore d’origine sauf disque et plaquette de frein, j’adore cette voiture et je roule sans avoir peur de tomber en panne sans stress
Get the 2.2
Not a good engine. Honda is known for great engines in terms of reliability but that 2.2 is not one of them. A shame really because theyre a very lively engine even in the accords
@@alexhickey5633 what seems to be the issue with the 2.2?
@@AA-os1sg from what ive seen and heard they have timing chain issues and the piston rings tend to get their own notions. On top of that they seem to not take abuse at all. Nobody where i live wants to even see them for anything more than an oil change. Theyre not a great engine unfortunately. And ive heard that same story from 3 chaps who fix cars for a living. They dont like that specific engine one bit. They always recommend any honda engine but the 2.2 diesel. Granted, like i saud above its a very fun engine to drive with. Incredibly lively and responsive and not overly loud. Ive driven a few myself and like the feel of them. Smoother than the 1.6 for sure. But that 1.6 is a rather potent bugger. I own one and its very capable of getting over the speed limit without much thought. Good on fuel and despite my once weekly long drive it hasnt plugged the dpf or wastegate yet.
Hope this helps
@@alexhickey5633 thanks for the fast response. I guess if oil change is done regularly it avoids timing chain issues. I know the clutches were weak on the 07-12 models but not sure if they improved it. I do agree the 1.6 Idtec comes to life after 80-110mph easily which is surprising for a 1.6 capacity engine.
@@AA-os1sg i still wouldn't sink my money into one tbh. 1.6 all the way
I like your video but diesel is dead with ULEZ and diesel tax/surcharges.
All of the latest diesels are ULEZ compliant so don't let that put you off. I have the 10th gen civic great car.
I guess so but I live in London but hardly drive into those zones. For outside big cities I think u would be fine
From around 63/14 plate the 1.6 Diesel was upgraded to a Euro 6 which means its ULEZ compliant.
Man how do you even compare any civic with golf???
Same way you compare anything in life
@@RacexEV yeah but normally you compare same class
They are the same class though or at least rivals. That’s the point. They literally rival each other. Someone buying a civic will also considers a golf. Similar price tag and specs. The jazz kinda rivals the polo.
@@RacexEV first civic was i think 8 seconds faster in Nürnberg ring .. rivals and second the quality is not compareble . Civics make 1 000 000km if engine is serviced properly and golfs i highly doubt most go above 350 000 with so many repairs... Honda doesnt have 1 defected engine
@@aughhhhhhhhhhhh nurnberg ring time is irrelevant because I’m reviewing it for normal people driving. And what you mentioned is just a general difference in cars. It does not mean they are not in the same class. You can still compare them. That’s the whole point. Also, they are priced similar and offer the consumer similar things which is why consumers will generally consider both cars. I mean just look at the comments and other TH-cam videos.
Try 2.2 you will see some fun 😘
Honda are way better than vw
Common- Golf and Honda... Golf is not a car at all....
German electrics are better?Are you taking the piss?
Ha ha go for a golf the most boring overated car on the market and so unreliable. Please people this guy talks shite.
I should have specified, the touchscreen is better on the German cars. Also Golf is not the only German car. This was back then as well.
driving cars since i was sixteen now i am 66 i found that of all the cars i drove honda never let me down,,,
The golf a to b car is the car for enthusiats? lol
This Civic has a soul, is a crazy car inside and outside.
The golf is the bland one, you dont know what are you talking about.
I’ll stick with my vw 🥰
£50 for full tank of fuel, cries in 2023 lol
Get it remapped for another 45hp
£280 quid - I have considered that - sounds like a good option with this fantastic engine. - Any experience?
@@mrjthamster9452 I had a remap done to mine by Celtic (2015 model). The extra tq/hp was very nice, but my clutch juddered while pulling away, no matter how smooth you tried to be. It had the map undone shortly after.
Diesel driving 3miles daily is killing engine 🤷♂️
Golf and honda in the same sentence lol stop swearing lol
Honda civic is from an a to b car?haha! You R so funny! Or you havent drive more than 3 cars...
Fk?
living in london how can you have fun in any car lol lol
poor review
Go ask the supercar owners in London. Lol
your driving is terrible
10 years zero accident plus racing licence. Keep crying
@@RacexEV you're a self important bell end
@@VictorKibalchich I am important unlike you. Keep crying though loser lol stick to the speed limit sheep