I think the i8 may become an "exception to the rule" due to the inherent lifespan of the battery pack. When the batteries run out of recharge life, the whole vehicle is relatively valueless, unless the pack can be replaced, which itself would be costly.
@@peterkulczycki6244 My 2014 i8 has still 100% of its original battery capacity. And replacement would be ~6K, not a big deal. And it would be the LCI battery with 50% more capacity.
This is your most clever piece - spot on....buying as new as possible and score over 100 genius - i8 just 4 to 5 yr old fsh and non super leggy miles is a stonewall investment !
Thank you for your analyses. The Ferrari 360, for example, might have substantial cost of ownership, not including the purchase price. People seem to resale 360s after short periods of ownership. Hot potatoes .
Great info. I'm now seeing high mileage 2014 MY BMW i8's with asking prices in the high $40k's. As an i8 owner, this is startling. The ownership community is pretty nervous right now. Only time can tell if we will see high $30k's next year, or not.
But the actual price of the i8 is way less than “list price”! I just bough a “new” Roadster with laser light and individual Donington Grey with only 2000 miles an full warranty 5/8 year for app $ 73.000 ex vat!
I guess a further deprecation of i8 with high mileage is likely, because people are afraid of weak batteries. Even this is in fact no problem, since these type of battery cells are extremely robust from my experience with i3 and i8 from 2014. Both have still over 95% of capacity after six years. There are rumours about internal Samsung papers stating they‘re good for up to twenty years. Have budgeted a replacement after ten years though.
This is a great video and something I've been trying to find for a while. Typically I find most auto focused channels will simply just tell viewers to avoid certain vehicles becuase they have high depreciation rates. But as this showcases, while people who bought a BMW i8 haven't gotten absolutely smoked over the past few years, they might actually be a decent investment going forward, since they likely won't significantly depreciate further, and may actually increase in value.
Excellent analysis. Would love a deep dive on 2018 R8 v10 plus. Also, this is list data, not sales data. Does that matter because your numbers are all relative? Thanks again. Great work.
V10 plus is coming up soon, stay tuned! All the numbers are based on advertised prices. In an ideal situation one would of course like to use the selling prices but those are, to my knowledge, not available. Any discounts from the advertised prices however apply to the full market, so in essence you could expect that the depreciation curves would be shifted slightly downwards on the price axis. Since this is an effect which applies to the whole market, I'm not to concerned about it. Nevertheless, in some markets where the dealer discounts are extremely large it might play a role.
What an incredible video, you have taken this to another level. So my GT3 991.2 is looking good, lol. Take care and be safe, I think i speak for many of us that we really appreciate all of the hard work you put into these studies for our knowledge!
Perhaps if you can find a nice relationship between how many miles are driven on average per year (for a given car), you can use that to combine the 2 metrics? Awesome video as always! Thanks!
Thanks for these really good videos. Liked and subbed! I know a lot of work goes into each and every one of them. Is there any chance you could change the sound effect that plays between the cuts? I think it is a little too much bass for it to be a pleasant sound effect. My sub kicks in and when using headphones it is not so easy on the ears. Sorry for complaining.
So if you a buy a Porsche 987.1 with little or no more depreciation but if the engine is damaged costing, say abut $15,000 to rebuild it, then you are screwed thats what I fear ..lol, Great and important information Fourwheel ....
Very very informative video. I would like to also add that for the porsche gt cars, despite being analyzed and looked at as "lowest depreciation" cars, is quite an exception in this long list of cars due to the fact that they are mostly selling above msrp due to the dealer markup games going around. Similarly, if you are to analyze limited cars such as these, you will find they have many similar trends, such as ferrari pista, gt2rs etc. These late model porsches actually dont hold value as well as they did, in fact many had trouble flipping the 991.2. Most broke even or even took a loss. So if u based the % from the msrp, they are going to look like they dont depreciate, when actually they have already lost 20-25k from what the owner paid in the same year
Hi Rick, that's a good point. However, when i calculate the relative depreciation i use the advertised average price of the new cars and not the msrp ( i didn't really specify it to this extent in the video). So unless the advertised prices excludes the dealer mark-up, i don't see it as a problem.
Hi thanks very good information on the values of currently sought out supercars! Can you analyze the market for a 550 maranelo and a 575, will be looking forward for this video thanks
Recently found your videos, thank you - really useful. Just one question though how do you get all the car prices, is there a way to get them automatically as it is such a pain manually? I’m in Australia so can’t use your values as the market is so different so am looking for a way to do similar. Thanks again.
I love your videos especially those analyzing the Porsche 911. I am planning to get an exotic luxury car. Unfortunately at my age, physically getting in and out of it may pose a problem with all but the Bentley GTC. Have you considered analyzing that market?
How do you gather you car prices? I notice you mentioned you have done some work on the UK market - I’m interested in a 997 does that video correlate to uk prices - also I think it would be interesting to understand the older car price difference in manual vs auto because in gen 2 they moved to PDK which might explain the sudden up turn in values in manuals vs autos in old years. (Driver experience much better in manual vs auto before the PDK) Great video - very impressive I think a video on how the actual analysis is done would be interesting .... for some of us!! What’s your background?
The prices are based on the most popular second hand car websites in the US. In general, once a car model has an automatic gearbox which works extremely well (usually with a double clucth), you can see that any price difference between the manuals and automatics start to disappear. You can see the same in the 997.1 vs 997.2 market. Thank for the video tip :)
In your example, you mention a Ferrari 360. While you are all about the curve, the maintenance costs on a 360 can be prohibitive. Maybe that is a side bar towards actual ownership?
That is more tricky, the taxation differences between the countries make it impossible to talk about absolute 'EU' values. Nevertheless, it is certainly possible to look at one market. Some of my older videos cover the german market.
With the UK government stopping the sales of new petrol & Diesel cars in 2030. Do you think this will cause the price of second hand fuel cars to go up or down?
Would love to see depreciation, tied with reliability and running cost data. Ie work out the best car that has bottomed out and will have the lowest running costs. A ranking of lowest cost of ownership. I am weighing up a Bentley gtc, Aston db9 volante, mclaren mp4-12c, ferrari California and Mercedes amg gt. all may be bottoming out but with running costs and reliability overlaid would be fab. In the absence of that I’d love to see a depreciation compare of the cars listed to help decide. My s8n is to have a low cost of ownership supercar.... isn’t everyone’s 🤓😀
How about the depreciation comparison between the 991 Porsche 911 Targa 4 and the Targa 4S. You have to compare the 2019 models or the 2018 because they did not offer a Targa 4 in the 992 version until recently with the announced 992 Targa 2021 model. The issue is this - the S model is around $16,000 more than the base model 911 Targa 4 and with sales tax and extra license fee you can say it is about $19,000 more costly for the extra 50 hp - the base is around 385 ho and the S is 440 or so. Turns out that ordering a base model Targa is very hard because Porsche only gives dealers 1 base model allocation for every 15 S models allocations. My inclination is to save the almost $20,000 difference on the thought that mostly I go to lunch or weekend freeway drives and 380 up is more than enough. The S can leap to 60 in about 3.7 and the base around 4.1 - seconds. So just tenths of a second slower.. But then my friend tells me the reason for the low number of base allocations is that they are very hard for dealers to sell- and they sit on their showroom floors for sometimes almost a year historically and that the depreciation on the base might be as much as the purchase differential plus then the normal depreciation of either model. I have already placed an order for the base model 2021 and I am concerned I have been penny wise pound foolish! A question your analysis skills would be perfect to answer unemotionally. Your reports are really great - On my Targa question I will add that I tend to keep my cars for 100,000 miles or more and for ten or more years - so the early depreciation gets ammortized as you point out that after about five years usually the depreciation starts to slow down.
I'm looking to buy a BMW i8 in the UK. The cheapest price I have seen is around £3600-£40000. I'm not looking to get it now but in about 4-5 years. Do you think the price will drop by the if so by how much roughly?
Is it too soon to evaluate the Ferrari the 488? Curious to see how it compares to the 458 (which you already did) and the last naturally aspirated Ferrari variant. Again, thanks for a great channel.
Can you help me with a perplexing situation? Do you know why the secondhand car market in Taiwan is so much more expensive than in the West? A normal price for a 2016 or 2015 BMW i8 is about 90k USD. And a new one is over 300k USD. What is going on economically that causes such high prices? (Government tax can't account for it all, right?). Is it that most people here drive Toyotas, and anyone willing to buy a Maserati or an i8 or a Porsche is likely to be rich enough to be willing to pay the extra on top of an already very high price?
Same as Australia X2 rest of world and Singapore X3 rest of world - in Singapore they hate cars and pollution and it's all govt tax added to stop pollution - in Australia it's similar eg all tax but it's also protectionism for Holden and Ford i.e. sales of Australian Manufactured cars that are taxed less - Taiwan I suspect is the same.
Paulthorpe hmm if hybrid technology comes on a long way people won’t want a worse version of what’s current, they’ll want a V8 that you can’t buy anymore
@PutSomeDsonThatBlinkTake your point - but it's because it's a pioneering hybrid (Koeniggsegg taking similar 3cylinder ice on at 10x price) and the first carbon tubbed GT car (made at a loss to BMW btw) that didn't sell well at all... so just like my 1978 E26 M1 - a massive failure at time and discounted a lot in 83 to shift them, they are now £500k - I have bought a 40% discounted Roadster as investment - so let's see! Also if you look at any exotica made by Big Manufacturer they usually are good investments as they are rare and reliable once 10-20 plus years old eg Nsx, 2000gt, Evo 20v, LFU, SLS, Audi Ur, Merc SL65 black, Ford GT, M1(many off above I have/had)... all these were either overpriced, underenginered, non super cutting edge except Ur of course and are gilt edged investments now. Meet up here in ten years though see who was right - I'll be the one wasting my money if I'm wrong and I'll have a wry laugh over my decision - and on the V8/10/12 thing there are millions on the planet so be A 30 yr wait until super sought after I fear...
I happen to have a full analysis of the elise on my channel, check it out. Results depend however very strongly on the geographical location as supply varies a lot with these cars.
Hi Fourwheel Trader, I really struggle to trust you as I found something weired in your average_depreciation graphics (at least weired to me - maybe you can explain?). You ranked the GT3 991.1 and the GT3 991.2 both very close to each other in the middle field of your graphics. But also you have a "991 GT3" (what ever this is besides 991.1 and 991.2) top ranked on the 3rd place. Why is that? Or am I just not getting it? Thanks from Germany, Matthias
Hi Matthias, that is a good point. The numbers for the GT3 991.1 and GT 991.2 refer only to the depreciation for those cars. The number for the '911 GT3' refers to the full market (991.1 GT3 + 991.2 GT3). At first it might seem a bit strange that the numbers for the 991.1 and 991.2 are lower than for the full market, but i think it becomes clear if you have a look to the depreciation curve split by 991.1 and 991.2 (you can find this in the GT3 video on my channel). Then you can see that for each of the generations, the depreciation lines are relatively flat. If you, however, look at the depreciation curve for the full market than you can see that this one is relatively steep. The reason for this one being so steep is the large drop between the 991.1 and 991.2. This drop is included in the absolute depreciation for the full market but excluded in the numbers for the 991.1 and 991.2. Hence, the absolute number is higher for the full market than that it is for the 991.1 and 991.2 separately.
Depends on your budget and car type you are looking for. If you look at the leader boards you can see which cars in your budget perform good and which ones perform bad. In that sense the video doesn't provide you with the five cars, as i could just point out some limited ferrari of a mln bucks. Rather, it gives you the information to find the five most suitable cars given your own criteria. If your own criteria are not relevant, you could checkout the top five performers for each leader board.
This is just not the way it works. Actually cars in high taxed country’s like Denmark are cheaper ex tax than any where else. Part of the problem is to get the tax refund and the fact that you have to add local tax when you import.
someone who buys an i8 to make money - are the same people who are waiting for the legacy of grandma - you have to work hard and earn the i8 - rest is less of sense, honor, decency, respect and class. nothing against you mr. fw trader! only a comment of a guy who won one of the first sold i8.
I hope this man blows up soon. He’s the only channel I know of that makes this type of content to such a thorough extent.
Thanks. Let's hope so, it takes a lot of effort to create these videos. But it's fun :)
He has 30K subscribers 2/3/2022 how many did he have when you posted?
why would you want this poor man to blow up? what did he do to you?
Dude the quality of your videos are insane. Love it. Thank you for doing these. They really help.
Thanks Nick. Happy to hear that it helped you.
These are really cool videos. I subscribed. You deserve way more subscribers!
Thanks for the sub
The average person is too dumb to understand the value of these videos. Sad but true. Most people just wanna see vroom
I’m buying a bmw i8 because of you your the man thank you for doing this no one has done a video like this
Well kept i8's should do well imho
I think the i8 may become an "exception to the rule" due to the inherent lifespan of the battery pack. When the batteries run out of recharge life, the whole vehicle is relatively valueless, unless the pack can be replaced, which itself would be costly.
@@peterkulczycki6244 My 2014 i8 has still 100% of its original battery capacity. And replacement would be ~6K, not a big deal. And it would be the LCI battery with 50% more capacity.
Gt3 is better in that price range
Dude, your channel is sweet. Content like yours make TH-cam worthwhile. I wish you much success!
quality content man! Can you do an analysis of the Maserati GranTurismo?
This is that kind of valuable stuff everybody should review before buying an expensive car, regardless of new or used. At least if money matters.
Just buy the car you love, depreciation is worth considering but cars always lose value, better off having what you really want.
You're saving me so much time with your analysis, it's only a matter of time before your channel gets some serious traction
Happy to hear that the videos help you.
This is your most clever piece - spot on....buying as new as possible and score over 100 genius - i8 just 4 to 5 yr old fsh and non super leggy miles is a stonewall investment !
Dude, this channel is AMAZING! Keep up your format, the data driven approach is SO GOOD.
Thank you for your analyses. The Ferrari 360, for example, might have substantial cost of ownership, not including the purchase price. People seem to resale 360s after short periods of ownership. Hot potatoes .
Great info. I'm now seeing high mileage 2014 MY BMW i8's with asking prices in the high $40k's. As an i8 owner, this is startling. The ownership community is pretty nervous right now. Only time can tell if we will see high $30k's next year, or not.
It will be indeed interesting too see what will happen with the prices. They already came down so much.
But the actual price of the i8 is way less than “list price”! I just bough a “new” Roadster with laser light and individual Donington Grey with only 2000 miles an full warranty 5/8 year for app $ 73.000 ex vat!
Stay away from i8. Its bmw plus 3 cylinder hybrid just worst
Pat's Garage Online, that’s crazy can’t find one under $150k in Australia (new price is $300k though)
I guess a further deprecation of i8 with high mileage is likely, because people are afraid of weak batteries. Even this is in fact no problem, since these type of battery cells are extremely robust from my experience with i3 and i8 from 2014. Both have still over 95% of capacity after six years. There are rumours about internal Samsung papers stating they‘re good for up to twenty years. Have budgeted a replacement after ten years though.
This is a great video and something I've been trying to find for a while. Typically I find most auto focused channels will simply just tell viewers to avoid certain vehicles becuase they have high depreciation rates. But as this showcases, while people who bought a BMW i8 haven't gotten absolutely smoked over the past few years, they might actually be a decent investment going forward, since they likely won't significantly depreciate further, and may actually increase in value.
Great to hear that you like the video. Maybe you already saw it, but i also have a seperate video for the i8: th-cam.com/video/jK0B0WM6tUE/w-d-xo.html
Curvature leaderboard is awesome!
Thanks, I like it as well.
Excellent analysis. Would love a deep dive on 2018 R8 v10 plus.
Also, this is list data, not sales data. Does that matter because your numbers are all relative?
Thanks again. Great work.
V10 plus is coming up soon, stay tuned! All the numbers are based on advertised prices. In an ideal situation one would of course like to use the selling prices but those are, to my knowledge, not available. Any discounts from the advertised prices however apply to the full market, so in essence you could expect that the depreciation curves would be shifted slightly downwards on the price axis. Since this is an effect which applies to the whole market, I'm not to concerned about it. Nevertheless, in some markets where the dealer discounts are extremely large it might play a role.
Great job - do you plan an update of this soon?
Your a good walking amongst men , appreciate the hard work 💪🏽‼
Thanks Darrell.
What an incredible video, you have taken this to another level. So my GT3 991.2 is looking good, lol. Take care and be safe, I think i speak for many of us that we really appreciate all of the hard work you put into these studies for our knowledge!
Thanks!
Another great video! Super thorough and interesting! Thanks!
Definitely not the New Zealand market. Great vids.
Outstanding analysis!!!
Love it man! keep up the good work
Thanks! Which car would you like to see analysed next?
Perhaps if you can find a nice relationship between how many miles are driven on average per year (for a given car), you can use that to combine the 2 metrics? Awesome video as always! Thanks!
Thank you for the information. Can you do Maserati, Bentley, and Rolls-Royce please?
Well done! One suggestion, maybe bin the cars by number of model years in its price history and show the bins on the graph.
Thanks. Good suggestion. It makes sense to compare cars of the same age.
Update for this year?
Fantastic video again! Many thanks!!!!
Love these vids; have you got one for the C63 wagon biturbo?
Great video. Very practical and all the information I like but I don’t have time to research.
Thanks. Is there any specific car you would like to see analysed?
I’m new to your channel and have not look back but a 996 turbo Porsche
Awesome video amd very detailed any update planned on this
Great Channel !!!! Just stumbled on it. Would be great to see depreciation of an Infiniti QX80 ..... hope to see it soon.
Keep rocking !!
you need to add year model to the cars as well
wasn't the Alfa 4c retaining better than the cayman according to your video?
AM Vanquish 2nd gen please? :)
Thanks for these really good videos. Liked and subbed! I know a lot of work goes into each and every one of them.
Is there any chance you could change the sound effect that plays between the cuts? I think it is a little too much bass for it to be a pleasant sound effect. My sub kicks in and when using headphones it is not so easy on the ears. Sorry for complaining.
Thanks for the sub and tip. I edit using the sound of my computer so I don't really notice the heavy bass.
So if you a buy a Porsche 987.1 with little or no more depreciation but if the engine is damaged costing, say abut $15,000 to rebuild it, then you are screwed thats what I fear ..lol, Great and important information Fourwheel ....
Find one which has the issues addressed.
Very very informative video. I would like to also add that for the porsche gt cars, despite being analyzed and looked at as "lowest depreciation" cars, is quite an exception in this long list of cars due to the fact that they are mostly selling above msrp due to the dealer markup games going around. Similarly, if you are to analyze limited cars such as these, you will find they have many similar trends, such as ferrari pista, gt2rs etc. These late model porsches actually dont hold value as well as they did, in fact many had trouble flipping the 991.2. Most broke even or even took a loss. So if u based the % from the msrp, they are going to look like they dont depreciate, when actually they have already lost 20-25k from what the owner paid in the same year
Hi Rick, that's a good point. However, when i calculate the relative depreciation i use the advertised average price of the new cars and not the msrp ( i didn't really specify it to this extent in the video). So unless the advertised prices excludes the dealer mark-up, i don't see it as a problem.
This info is GOLD
Is there a TLDR I can read? I just want the list and rank of cars with least depreciation and one with the most…
Hi thanks very good information on the values of currently sought out supercars! Can you analyze the market for a 550 maranelo and a 575, will be looking forward for this video thanks
Recently found your videos, thank you - really useful. Just one question though how do you get all the car prices, is there a way to get them automatically as it is such a pain manually? I’m in Australia so can’t use your values as the market is so different so am looking for a way to do similar. Thanks again.
*Which cars would you like to see added to leaderboard?*
E39 M5
RS6 and LEXUS LC 500 😎👍
How about the Bentley Continental GT?
BMW 650i
Not a car but the f150 raptor.
Please do a McLaren 650s and 600LT analysis!
Thanks, good suggestions.
I love your videos especially those analyzing the Porsche 911. I am planning to get an exotic luxury car. Unfortunately at my age, physically getting in and out of it may pose a problem with all but the Bentley GTC. Have you considered analyzing that market?
Brilliant!
How do you gather you car prices? I notice you mentioned you have done some work on the UK market - I’m interested in a 997 does that video correlate to uk prices - also I think it would be interesting to understand the older car price difference in manual vs auto because in gen 2 they moved to PDK which might explain the sudden up turn in values in manuals vs autos in old years. (Driver experience much better in manual vs auto before the PDK)
Great video - very impressive I think a video on how the actual analysis is done would be interesting .... for some of us!! What’s your background?
The prices are based on the most popular second hand car websites in the US. In general, once a car model has an automatic gearbox which works extremely well (usually with a double clucth), you can see that any price difference between the manuals and automatics start to disappear. You can see the same in the 997.1 vs 997.2 market.
Thank for the video tip :)
I am on my 5th C7 Corvette since 2014 and have not lost any money whatsoever.
C7's are indeed doing quite well.
In your example, you mention a Ferrari 360. While you are all about the curve, the maintenance costs on a 360 can be prohibitive. Maybe that is a side bar towards actual ownership?
That's a good point. In terms of overall costs the maintenance on these older cars plays a significant role.
@@fourwheeltrader how old does it go? I have a fully depreciated 986 Boxster S but maintain costs are high.
BMW i8 running costs 🤔
Why are not Mclarren models in the comparison? I am looking to find out about the 720s which u have talk about extensively in other videos
Checkout this comparison: th-cam.com/video/zvpGUyVa-3o/w-d-xo.html
Awesome content I love it.
Thanks! Which car would you like to see analysed next?
What is your opinion about mercedes amg gt 50 edition around 110k euros?
So BMW M2 and I8. What about M8 and M4 ?. Great cars
can you do a Gen 1 Panamera GTS? specially the 2015 and 16 GTS?
Not yet but i'm getting many requests for it.
@@fourwheeltrader I just bought one 2015 GTS with 25k miles with CPO for $60k. MSRP $124K.
Can you analyze EU markets please? I would love to hear about best values there.
That is more tricky, the taxation differences between the countries make it impossible to talk about absolute 'EU' values. Nevertheless, it is certainly possible to look at one market. Some of my older videos cover the german market.
@@fourwheeltrader It would be great, because most of your video are based on the US market and it is hard to really make conclusions as an EU citizen.
Great content. Keep it up!
Suggestions for future videos:
Ferrari California
Ferrari 430
Lambo Huracan
Thanks. There is some ferrari content coming up. The huracan you can already find on my channel but that analysis is for the uk market.
you are awesome brotha
With the UK government stopping the sales of new petrol & Diesel cars in 2030.
Do you think this will cause the price of second hand fuel cars to go up or down?
Would love to see depreciation, tied with reliability and running cost data. Ie work out the best car that has bottomed out and will have the lowest running costs. A ranking of lowest cost of ownership. I am weighing up a Bentley gtc, Aston db9 volante, mclaren mp4-12c, ferrari California and Mercedes amg gt. all may be bottoming out but with running costs and reliability overlaid would be fab. In the absence of that I’d love to see a depreciation compare of the cars listed to help decide. My s8n is to have a low cost of ownership supercar.... isn’t everyone’s 🤓😀
How about the depreciation comparison between the 991 Porsche 911 Targa 4 and the Targa 4S. You have to compare the 2019 models or the 2018 because they did not offer a Targa 4 in the 992 version until recently with the announced 992 Targa 2021 model.
The issue is this - the S model is around $16,000 more than the base model 911 Targa 4 and with sales tax and extra license fee you can say it is about $19,000 more costly for the extra 50 hp - the base is around 385 ho and the S is 440 or so.
Turns out that ordering a base model Targa is very hard because Porsche only gives dealers 1 base model allocation for every 15 S models allocations.
My inclination is to save the almost $20,000 difference on the thought that mostly I go to lunch or weekend freeway drives and 380 up is more than enough. The S can leap to 60 in about 3.7 and the base around 4.1 - seconds. So just tenths of a second slower..
But then my friend tells me the reason for the low number of base allocations is that they are very hard for dealers to sell- and they sit on their showroom floors for sometimes almost a year historically and that the depreciation on the base might be as much as the purchase differential plus then the normal depreciation of either model.
I have already placed an order for the base model 2021 and I am concerned I have been penny wise pound foolish!
A question your analysis skills would be perfect to answer unemotionally.
Your reports are really great -
On my Targa question I will add that I tend to keep my cars for 100,000 miles or more and for ten or more years - so the early depreciation gets ammortized as you point out that after about five years usually the depreciation starts to slow down.
I'm looking to buy a BMW i8 in the UK. The cheapest price I have seen is around £3600-£40000.
I'm not looking to get it now but in about 4-5 years. Do you think the price will drop by the if so by how much roughly?
Almost impossible to predict anything 4-5 years from now :)
Great video
Would love to see the S2000 market!!!
Good suggestion
Is it too soon to evaluate the Ferrari the 488? Curious to see how it compares to the 458 (which you already did) and the last naturally aspirated Ferrari variant. Again, thanks for a great channel.
The 488 is still on the to-do list :)
@@fourwheeltrader Thank you - keep up the great work
Can you help me with a perplexing situation? Do you know why the secondhand car market in Taiwan is so much more expensive than in the West? A normal price for a 2016 or 2015 BMW i8 is about 90k USD. And a new one is over 300k USD. What is going on economically that causes such high prices? (Government tax can't account for it all, right?). Is it that most people here drive Toyotas, and anyone willing to buy a Maserati or an i8 or a Porsche is likely to be rich enough to be willing to pay the extra on top of an already very high price?
Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the Taiwanese market.
Same as Australia X2 rest of world and Singapore X3 rest of world - in Singapore they hate cars and pollution and it's all govt tax added to stop pollution - in Australia it's similar eg all tax but it's also protectionism for Holden and Ford i.e. sales of Australian Manufactured cars that are taxed less - Taiwan I suspect is the same.
Here in the UK the BMW i8 has just broken the £40k bubble today. The first car to ever be listed at £38k or below
Thanks for pointing that out. Unbelievable how much they came down from new.
Bet you that in 10 yrs all non-leggy fsh cars will be over £38k though!
Paulthorpe hmm if hybrid technology comes on a long way people won’t want a worse version of what’s current, they’ll want a V8 that you can’t buy anymore
@PutSomeDsonThatBlinkTake your point - but it's because it's a pioneering hybrid (Koeniggsegg taking similar 3cylinder ice on at 10x price) and the first carbon tubbed GT car (made at a loss to BMW btw) that didn't sell well at all... so just like my 1978 E26 M1 - a massive failure at time and discounted a lot in 83 to shift them, they are now £500k - I have bought a 40% discounted Roadster as investment - so let's see! Also if you look at any exotica made by Big Manufacturer they usually are good investments as they are rare and reliable once 10-20 plus years old eg Nsx, 2000gt, Evo 20v, LFU, SLS, Audi Ur, Merc SL65 black, Ford GT, M1(many off above I have/had)... all these were either overpriced, underenginered, non super cutting edge except Ur of course and are gilt edged investments now. Meet up here in ten years though see who was right - I'll be the one wasting my money if I'm wrong and I'll have a wry laugh over my decision - and on the V8/10/12 thing there are millions on the planet so be A 30 yr wait until super sought after I fear...
Hey man do you do consulting for payment? I would like some help and of course are willing to pay you for your time.
You can contact me at fourwheeltrader@gmail.com for a personalized analysis.
How will the 981 GTS be affected after Porsche announcing the new 718 cayman GTS with a naturally aspirated flat 6
Good point, I should update the Cayman video.
Nice work
Thanks! Which car would you like to see featured on the channel?
How can I Reach you ?? I need your advice
Lotus Elise has been the lowest depreciating sports car in some markets for a while
I happen to have a full analysis of the elise on my channel, check it out. Results depend however very strongly on the geographical location as supply varies a lot with these cars.
Are you you a statistician??? Well done!
You have "Cayman 718" and "Cayman 718 base". What's the difference? Was one supposed to be Cayman 981?
Good question. Cayman 718 refers to the full market (base, s, gts) and cayman 718 base only refers to the 'base' market.
Really useful video 👍🏻
Thanks Tim
Love the videos 👍👍
Thanks! Which car would you like to see analysed next?
Can you do google sheet help a lot
I'm working on something better :)
are you an auto broker?
Depends on what you qualify as a broker :)
So buy the F Type used, 3-5 years! Nice
Hi Fourwheel Trader,
I really struggle to trust you as I found something weired in your average_depreciation graphics (at least weired to me - maybe you can explain?). You ranked the GT3 991.1 and the GT3 991.2 both very close to each other in the middle field of your graphics. But also you have a "991 GT3" (what ever this is besides 991.1 and 991.2) top ranked on the 3rd place. Why is that? Or am I just not getting it?
Thanks from Germany, Matthias
Hi Matthias, that is a good point. The numbers for the GT3 991.1 and GT 991.2 refer only to the depreciation for those cars. The number for the '911 GT3' refers to the full market (991.1 GT3 + 991.2 GT3). At first it might seem a bit strange that the numbers for the 991.1 and 991.2 are lower than for the full market, but i think it becomes clear if you have a look to the depreciation curve split by 991.1 and 991.2 (you can find this in the GT3 video on my channel). Then you can see that for each of the generations, the depreciation lines are relatively flat. If you, however, look at the depreciation curve for the full market than you can see that this one is relatively steep. The reason for this one being so steep is the large drop between the 991.1 and 991.2. This drop is included in the absolute depreciation for the full market but excluded in the numbers for the 991.1 and 991.2. Hence, the absolute number is higher for the full market than that it is for the 991.1 and 991.2 separately.
Awesome video! Makes me want to go do some car shopping
SL63 AMG? I think the naturally aspirated cars will become quite thought after...
I would like a video on a e 53 amg
Good suggestion
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I'm holding onto my cayman 987 s then!
you are awesome
So what you're saying is... if I buy a BMWi8.... in 2020... then go back in time and sell it...🤔
Toyota Landcruiser analysis!!
Good idea
So which are the Top 5 cars??
Depends on your budget and car type you are looking for. If you look at the leader boards you can see which cars in your budget perform good and which ones perform bad. In that sense the video doesn't provide you with the five cars, as i could just point out some limited ferrari of a mln bucks. Rather, it gives you the information to find the five most suitable cars given your own criteria. If your own criteria are not relevant, you could checkout the top five performers for each leader board.
cayman 981?
Coming up in the next few weeks.
I have a bmw 530d 2017 £50.000 new I paid £21.000 its lost £807 a month only got 13500 miles on it and drives like new.
Making money re-selling cars?
Its easier to buy a car in a less taxing country are re-sell it on a more taxing country.
It indeed is.
This is just not the way it works. Actually cars in high taxed country’s like Denmark are cheaper ex tax than any where else. Part of the problem is to get the tax refund and the fact that you have to add local tax when you import.
too many ads
Steve Piercy Bentley are way to expensive to maintain like the Ferrari its nice to own and nicer to sell. only Porsche i would consider buying.
Wow didn't excpeted this list without Maserati or you maybe miss it to put in there.
Haha, good point. I still need to do an analysis for a Maserati.
someone who buys an i8 to make money - are the same people who are waiting for the legacy of grandma - you have to work hard and earn the i8 - rest is less of sense, honor, decency, respect and class. nothing against you mr. fw trader! only a comment of a guy who won one of the first sold i8.
The Ferrari 348 will make any enthusiast money.
4 ads per car lol. More ads than video
And then Covid...and destroyed all this.....
First!
I think you are also the first who commented first :)
Dude. Im an engineer and this is so boring. Like make it more interesting. And less unimportant graphs