The truth about the Porsche 911 Turbo market | Buying and Depreciation Guide
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- The Porsche 997 Turbo is on its way to becoming a future classic. In this depreciation and buying guide, I will therefore show you all the ins and out of the 997 Turbo market. Follow me on Instagram: / fourwheeltrader
You can contact me on fourwheeltrader@gmail.com if you would like a personalized analysis.
The depreciation analysis for the Porsche 997 Turbo is split in a few parts. In the first part, we will explore the market and have a look to the average price points. In the second part, we will figure out the depreciation per year and the forecasted value range. Note that these forecasts are based on average price points and a probability of 95%. After this, we will have a look at the depreciation per 1000 miles driven.
From this point onwards, we will start to put all of the information together and have a look at the fair purchasing prices. Also, I will show you how you can make a relative value analysis based on the model year, price, and mileage, to find the right car for you.
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The information published has been obtained from or is based on sources which are believed to be accurate and complete. Although reasonable care has been taken, the completeness and the accuracy of any information published cannot be guaranteed. Any opinions may be wrong and may change at any time. You should always carry out your own independent verification of facts and data before making any purchase decision.
I came across your channel by pure coincidence (TH-cam algorithm?) and it's great!
I own a 997.1 Turbo manual since 2015 right before car bubble. Although prices have moderated, I still would make money if I sell it at today's prices.
You're the man. Just showed this to my wife. Picking up a 997 turbo tomorrow. Was having last minute jitters.Thanks.
Congrats on the new car!
997 in my opinion it's the most beautiful turbo ever made, still chained into 911 egg classic bauhaus style but at same time realized with top modern tech, still have the traditional "turbo effect", and last but not least:
last mezger engine!
@Simp Nation between 997.1 and 997.2 there is the turbo revolution, anyway the last "turbolag" u can feel only up to 997.1
I own a 2008 997.1 Turbo and I love the car. It’s brutally quick. Sadly I had to get the Tiptonic and would have preferred the manual.
@@greggagnon6173 this is the real critic of that car, tiptronic was a really nonsense
Probably the worse model year to buy. Skip straight into the 2010 and up 997 style. Trust me, they are a world of trouble
Something else to consider is that the Turbo S only came in auto (PDK) so that will also skew the numbers higher for the automatic cars given they were more expensive than that standard Turbo to begin with. However, the 5-spd tiptronic transmission in the 997.1 really does decrease the value as compared to the 6-spd in the .1 cars. Good analysis, thanks!
That is true yes. Good points.
Great vid. The other thing you get with a Turbo S is standard Carbon brakes. They are an option on the regular turbo.
I definitely agree with your overall conclusion, i bought my 997.1 manual with 25k miles 2 years ago, and it hasn't lost value. The sweet spot is 25-35k miles for not only value, but for how fresh the car feels inside
Sounds like you got yourself a great car. Enjoy it :)
Tom Hegedosh my dad had a 997.2 turbo but the mechanic crashed it while testing it after a tune. He passed away in the accident unfortunately.😞
If u don’t mind, what’s a good price for a (I’m assuming 997.2?) 2012 turbo s, pdk, with a tune and 25k miles??
Great video and we agree 100%. We just picked up a low mileage 997.1 Turbo with a manual trans. Great car.
Amazing purchase! What made you go for this car specifically?
this is incredibly useful for folks who care about buying cars that hold value. Bravo analysis again!! I did notice a lot of inflation on low mileage turbos recently this year..this analysis keeps everything in check so you dont end up with overpriced cars that cant be driven as it shows these cars to be highly mileage sensitive
Happy to hear that you find the analysis useful. Prices indeed have been increasing slowly, well spotted.
Excellent video. Right on! Bought a 2008 997.1 manual turbo cab 44K miles, perfect exterior, excellent interior, new clutch, for 69.2K in July, 2020 . Spent another 1.8K in new tires and routine maintenance (total ~71K). Almost identical cars procured by same dealer very recently (Nov. 2020) are on market for 78-80K. Go Metzger!
Absolutely love the 997 Turbo in Manual. Owned 996TT Manual- Not sure why I did not made a move from 996 turbo to 997TT- Prices got crazy in the last 2 years, so I got myself Nissan GT-R Love the car! That stays and maybe add 997TT later as the prices going up! and up! now i'm between 997tt and Audi rs6 avant, I need room, that was one of the main issues I had with P. car as i love taking car out and even go grocery shopping! nice guide for sure! peace !
Manual transmissions carry more of a premium in gen 1 because gen 1 automatics were tiptronic, whereas gen 2 got PDK.
That’s part of the reason. When buying any older Porsche or any high end older sports car, manual will always carry a premium over auto
@@er98ah Yes, I'm saying why gen1 carries _more_ of a premium despite them being rarer in 2.
This is the first video I have watched of yours but I love it. Even thought I had to rewind it a few times because you talk so fast! Coming in, I said I'm looking for a 997.1MT with less than 50k for $75k or less, and you more or less confirmed that's a solid buy. Thanks!!
It's difficult to balance the speed indeed. Too slow and people lose interest, too fast and you need to rewind.
Bought a 997 turbo last week! This video solidified the purchase for me!!
Congratulations!
So did I, bought an 08 with 450 miles on the clock from a collector, must be the lowest mile one in the UK. What a motor. Great Vid keep up the great work.
that's why i am buying one
Seeing this in Oct 2021 makes my brain hurt. At the time of the video, $70-$80 less than 40k miles made sense. Now, these cars are priced at an insane $90-$120.
I'm 35. I would like to buy one when I'm 40. So 5 yrs from now. Looking at a 09' white manual turbo coupe blk interior. Hopefully pay around $50-65k by that time. High miles are ok.
That's exactly what I have currently. You won't be disappointed, its a blast to drive.
@NarrowPath If he can find one. I believe they made approximately 220-230 manual coupes in 2009 for American market. If you want an '09 its going to cost you. But they are awesome cars!
Unbelievably helpful and extraordinary. This video is exemplary across genres in so many ways. TH-camrs should watch closely and steal some of this man's skills for presentation of his self and content. You deserve your own television show.
Haha, thanks!
Interesting video with a lot of valuable information. Thumbs up. My recommendation is to simply buy the car you like and drive it. If you are really concerned about appreciation/depreciation then buy a classic and stick it in a garage with a cover on it.
Gen 1 Manual ( metzger with split c/case engineering ) is the trigger to appreciation...
I was so surprised he didn't mention that. 2007 in the US was the last manual Metzger 911. That is the secret sauce.
Good analysis... it’s worth noting the difference in initial purchase price for the models you reference. This could skew you perceived depreciation rate.
New base prices:
2007 997.1 Turbo - $122900
2011 997.2 Turbo - $135500
2012 997.2 Turbo - $137500
2011 997.2 Turbo S - $160700
Similarly, Cabriolet models were approximately $11500 more expensive than the Coupe when new, and can now retail higher or lower than their Coupe counterparts, dependent on location and season. Your analysis doesn’t factor this in, which may skew the results somewhat.
Another point - 2009 is a sought after model year for Gen 1’s, as it introduces the updated 997.2 interior in what is otherwise still a 997.1 car.
And lastly - 997.2 Manuals are incredibly scarce, and may become very sought after as “the very last of the manuals”... in buying purely as a longer term investment car, that you’ll be putting minimal additional mileage on, a 997.2 Turbo manual, or a low mileage Turbo S, may in fact prove to also be a very solid investment.
Hi Philip, those are all good points. I have been indeed thinking to replace the USD depreciation rate with a % of the new price.
Excellent data. One critical point for a buyer to consider: Is the car being purchased to drive, or as an investment? Two years ago I bought my 2011 997.2 Turbo S for $75K. It had 59K miles on it. It's my daily driver and in two years I've put more than 18K miles on it. By doing this I am realizing my return on investment now - in my lifetime. Your a long time dead and I am uninterested in keeping the mileage low in the interest of seeing my heirs receive a greater inheritance at my estate sale.
100% agree with you. 997.1 TT daily driver here.
I'd have liked two questions answered:
1) Depreciation per year if I part my car in my garage. This would be to isolate the depreciation purely from time.
2) Depreciation per 1000 miles driven.
It seems like the depreciation per year analysis mixes in the millage which makes the analysis muddy.
Thanks for the good videos.
The first question is not so easy to answer as, like you say, mileage and model year are highly correlated. This makes it difficult to seperate the two effects. Also, historical depreciation patterns don't really hold in the current market as everything is up. I don't have up to date data on the 997 turbo market but the data which i do have shows a mileage adjusted increase of 11% between july 2020 and march 2021. Naturally, prices might have further increased since then. In any case, models which seperate the model year and mileage effect show that - when only those two factors are considered - 95% of the price is determined by the mileage. Hence, the car is pretty much bottomed out. If you store it, it should follow the 997 turbo market trend.
Regarding the second question, this was between -0.6% and -0.7% per 1000 miles in March 2020. Historicaly, these numbers have been quite stable.
I hope this helps.
@@fourwheeltrader Thanks!
Awesome work! First video I have seen of yours please keep at it this was great.
Thanks. Which car would you like to see analysed next?
i think the gearbox analysis needs to reflect the pdk that was introduced with 997 Gen2 which was a big improvement.
Oddly enough the PDK is not the most desirable gearbox.
Nice video! Thanks working with and presenting all this data! Very interesting stuff
Bought a 997.1 turbo coupe in 6MT in GR. Kept it for 6 months and sold it. Gladly took a loss to dump it. Yes, they're fast, but they can't hold a candle to the "special" factor that Air Cooled Porsches have. Plus, you're much less likely to go to jail when you're driving a 1986 3.2 Carrera.
They need to get you on VinWiki to talk about your analysis - eyeing a 2009 turbo, 35k miles - but at 92k I think its about 15-20k too rich. Great stuff, first video and subbed.
Thansk for the sub! Love the VinWiki channel.
Hey, nice vid. But I guess u missed something. The gen2 models got PDK. And I guess this is a significant criteria for the depreciation. I bought my 997.2 only cause auf PDK. I bought it before 4 years and there was no pricedrop yet.
That is very true. However, there are only 5 manual gen2 cars for sale. Therefore, if you look to the curve of the gen2 cars, you get quite a good impression of the depreciation behaviour for the cars which have PDK.
@@fourwheeltrader I think the point is to explain that phenomenon: the 997.1 with tiptronic have so-so reviews, and thus they depreciate faster, and the few manual transmissions of the era can keep their value due to supply-demand. The 997.2 has less polarization as PDK is considered pretty darn good. Wondering if these were the asking prices, or the prices they were sold for, and also wondering about all of the specs - this may be difficult to add into the analysis, but options can add another 25-50% on to the base price. I've heard options do not hold their value, but I'm shopping now, and avoid those without specific options.
Glad I bought our 997.1 TT three years ago with 31000km, and that is has certainly not lost value despite it now has 39900km.
An interesting thing to see is that Porsche PDK transmissions have killed the premium of automatic vs manual. The 997 shows this as it is when the tiptronic was replaced by the PDK and the premium for manuals nearly evaporated.
True! Good automatic boxes really kill manual premiums. I have also seen this in other markets.
The 997’s are likely the last of the PORSCHE Turbos, you can buy, drive, and not lose money on. This used to be the big advantage that buying German or exotic Italian cars offered back in the late 70’s , early 80’s. These cars used to cost less to own and enjoy than a Chevrolet, or a Ford, as long as you could somehow manage the entrance fee. I owned many of these cars, keeping mileage generally low, enjoying the annual increase in value of good used ones. The 997 is now this kind of opportunity. In either .1 or .2 version, these cars will hold their value well from the current lows, and end up being a rare opportunity to invest and enjoy an amazing exotic albeit reliable and service affordable classic sports car. Mortgage your house or sell some stock and buy one of each series or a Coupe / Cab combo, to spread the mileage out. Enjoy them daily while they continue to hold or even increase in value, while the knuckleheads who buy new Ferrari’s or even new Porsche’s lose forty or more percent of their money in the first few years of ownership. Smart guys buy cars that increase or hold value. These Turbos are an excellent choice now.
another big reason the S gas such a premium over the turbo, is their yellow ceramic brakes.
Excellent analysis. I would like to suggest the same 997, but in GT3 flavors (RS & non-RS), & I love to year how colors factor into the analysis given there are so few of various color types. Some colors seem to demand much higher asking prices. Thank you!
That's a good suggestion. I have the colours also in my data but the problem is that there are large groups of colours for which there are only very few cars for sale. This makes it difficult to analyze as it i not easy to derive whether the price is at a certain level due to the colour or due to something else.
997.2 turbo s will go down in price and I’m all here for it so I can have one
Awesome video and well analyzed! Thanks
Great Video! :) Thank you for the math!
Bought a 997.1 Turbo with ~70k km in Germany :)
Congrats on the car!
Nice job! @11:59 the symbol ">" should be replaced by "
You are right. The symbol should be '
How about an analysis on 2007-2011 Porsche 911 GT3 and RS models? I have seen you do the same analysis on the 991.1 and 991.2 generation, but I'd like to see it for 997.1 and 997.2 please. I'd ask for a GT2/RS analysis as well for the 997.1 and 997.2 generation but I realize there isn't that much market sample data. Thanks so much!
There will a GT3 special at some point :)
@@fourwheeltrader - I was hoping you'd say that! Thanks so much!
this is a great piece of analysis
Great video. I have a 07 997tt manual coupe with 35k miles in the USA. When do you think my 997tt will appreciate to the same value of a 991tt? In 2-3 years?
Fantastic analysis 👍 Bravo
Can you elaborate on the machine learning part i.e. which algorithm is used and how the cars are coloured based on that please? Thanks
Excellent analysis , you are my math Motörhead hero!
Besides the 997 Turbo, what other cars would you guys get for this price range? Has to be manual transmission also.
Some Corrections worth mentioning:
1. There are no Turbo manuals after 2009.. Porsche has not made any since then
2. Porsche changed the engine in 2010 from a 3.6L Mezger to 3.8L (other brand- don’t recall)
3. 2009 had gen 2 interior cabin update
4. 2010 full gen 2
Absolutely love the 997TT and appreciate all your analysis.
All good points
1. is incorrect. Porsche sold Turbos' with an optional manual transmission up until 2013; the last of the manual Turbos' being the 997.2.
The most valuable cars in the future will be the 997.1 MANUAL, in special PTS colors. .2 S are all PDK and will not increase in value.
PTS in desirable colors like Mexico blue, etc will be highly prized since it was not a popular option on 997 turbo cars.
The convertible is a factor also for depreciation?
I think the distinction between the mrk1 and mrk2 is that VW took Porsche over and thus the mrk2 is seen as more of a VW. Mrk1 is the safest bet for appreciation due to the Mezger engine, it's one of the last real Porkers.
Good point
You are completely wrong... the gen 2 car is basically a completely different car under the skin...suspension, updated touch screen and electronics, AWD system is more rear wheel biased...and the new engine is the basis for the modern cars.. it is much more reliable (no engine out replacements of coolant fittings...as an example) if you need the Mezger engine then the 2009 has the updated interior with the old engine.. the holy grail is a gen 2 car non S (S cars are all PDK) manual ... 488 were produced 2010-2013. An S is 530 hp whilst the standard car is 500hp... the difference is because of the tune...but when both are updated they become the same.... today, the gen 2 car MT is increasing in value (approx 105K going up from here).. a gen 2 S is about 8K less... and it to will hold its value but not like a MT.
Something else to look out is checking the original MRSP. They will vary from 135K to 184K for a loaded S. That is the only way to really compare cars.....
The absolute best value is a gen 1 car with the tiptronic auto transmission... that car could be 45K and a pure joy to own.. the tranny is quite reliable and it works well with the turbo...
Gen 2 MT cars hardly ever come up on the market.... I’ve seen maybe 8 or 9 over the last 3 years since I bought mine.... always around $100K and usually higher. The S cars are down to min of $85K but they are rising and becoming scarce on the market (not withstanding the virus) as people are realizing how special they are. Hope this helps.
Hi thanks I would like to see a 1st gen, Bentley Continental GT SuperSport please.
I enjoy all of your videos, so thank you. It would be an interesting exercise to pick 3-5 (or any number you could do) to review a year or so later to evaluate your predictions based on the new market. I believe this video is spot on and the market has increased for these vehicles, especially for the manuals.
It's great to hear that you enjoy the videos. Recently, i started to make some market update videos. This one is, for example, comparing the predicted to the actual depreciation: th-cam.com/video/zvpGUyVa-3o/w-d-xo.html
@@fourwheeltrader Thanks!
Good idea. For example, where does the 997 Turbo stand in today's market? Your videos are always interesting and well done so thank you.
So I’ve a 2010 Gen 2 manual with 55k miles in GT silver..... what’s it worth? It’s 670bhp apparently 26 manual in the U.K. and around 650 worldwide
Great video. First time at your channel and have subscribed!!!
Have a 997.1 TT and am reassured by your analysis that it was the right buy 3 years ago!! I have not seen the prices decrease here in Oz.
What about a Porsche Cayenne or a VW Toureg please??
Thanks for the sub! New Cayennes and Touregs depreciate quite fast. The older models however bottomed out now. However, they have quite high running costs.
Price points have changed a lot in one year for manual vs tiptronic...would love to see an update. Also, where does the ultra rare 997.1.5 belong in this?
Update is coming soon
Very informative, this information is very valuable thank you, don't know if it was my phone but the volume was a bit low.
Thanks for the feedback. I used a new microphone and perhaps need to adjust the volume a bit.
Wondering how evs will affect the prices in a good or bad way. I guess, GT3 RS will rise in value over the next 30 years. Don’t see this happening with Turbos.
Hey can you do an analysis of the bmw m2 the m2 competition and m2cs
40k price is the bottom of the Turbo - from that the price starts going back up
You missed coupe v cab comparisons
Good point. I didn't include that split because there were only a few coupes makes sale. This makes it difficult to say something reliable about the numbers.
Coupes will be around $10-$12,000 more than cabs.
@@cjsnylons very true. If one doesn't mind having a convertible 911 they can see significant savings by going cabriolet over coupe. Also the cabriolets tend to be specced quite nicely.
could you please analyze the Maserati Quattroporte
... and the Turbo S is more rare which also impacts price .... the turbo 996 and 997 Gen 1 had the classic tipronic which buyers usually avoid
987 Spyder please ! - You did not analyse convertible vs hard top - i would imagine that would be a significant factor?
Good point. That split is not included because there were too few observations for the convertibles.
Nice analysis. Thanks very much. Ferrari F430 and Audi R8 please.
Thanks. For the F430 i don't have a video yet, but the one for the R8 you can checkout over here: th-cam.com/video/pERDQQFGJdM/w-d-xo.html
Great video, very informative.
Cool accent ya'll got there as well.
=)
Thanks! You can find a market update over here th-cam.com/video/ctIFg2vUfds/w-d-xo.html
Your presentation is very good.
Straight to the point.
Well done
thnx
@@fourwheeltrader
I had a 2001 996 for 13 years.
I'm contemplating buying a 2007 997.
Last great body style I thought Porsche had.
There's this myth in America that 997.1 Turbos are going down and you can get them for $40-$50000. But it's just not true. Occasionally you can find one for $55,000, but for the most part they're $60k+ and they have been for a LONG time.
I agree, i dont think they will come down a lot anymore (if any)
$40-50k range is virtually unheard of. Although, that's where I believe that they make the most sense. $50-65k is okay, but anything much more than that and I think a perspective buyer is overpaying.
Thanks for the analysis! Any though on the convertible one? Although, it doesnt suit well a manual, I on the market for a convertible
I didn't find a significant difference between the coupes and the convertibles.
Hi, love your videos, can you please do one on the Porsche 991 turbo S? Thanks.
The 991 Turbo is coming up in a few weeks.
Great can’t wait for it!
I like to see the 911 991.1 Carrera s please
Coming soon! I received many requests for the 991.1
Do Ferrari 458 and Speciales!
Can you by any chance add in the Cars colour as a variant of price?
Good point. For most cars, I have the colour variable available. I, however, don't show it most of the times because it is difficult to conclude that colour is causing a different depreciation. pattern. Things like model year, mileage, and transmission type tend to be way more significant than the colour effect (if there is a colour effect at all). There are of course some exceptions to this rule and if there is an effect of colour I will include it.
better appreciation investment purchase between 996 GT2 and 997.1 GT2
The 996 gt2 was made in such limited numbers. I absolutely love mine, no AWD.
Hello thanks for the video, for you is this the moment now to buy a 997.1 manual gear coupé? thanks bye
Market update is coming soon
The time to buy was a couple years ago. Prices are high now.
I am looking at 2008 997.1 Turbo but has 112,000. Would you recommend buying with such high mileage? Thanks.
You should be talking to a shop to do a PPI, finding what maintenance has been done, and what is currently broke not a guy that makes a graph on values.
do one on the B5 RS4
Great info. What’s your estimate for 07 manual with 22k miles?
Always difficult to say exact numbers without knowing the car.
Great vid!
I luv 911 997.1 👍
Thank you for the effort. Do you take into account geographic region when collecting data?
Hi Jeremy, i dont take that into account. Though, i have been thinking about it and it for sure would yield some interesting insights. Good suggestion.
Well done videos
Thanks. Which car would you like to see analyzed next?
no talk about the 997 GT2 in this video?
Why would it be discussed here? That’s a low production model.
So are the 997 generation 2 turbo manuals.
your manual vs automatic is skewed by the 997.2 which is automatic only and more expensive. The average difference between 997.1 automatic vs manual is $5,000
The manual cars consist indeed mainly of the 997.1 type. The average pricepoint for a manual 997.1 is slightly lower than the average pricepoint for manual a 997.2. The same goes for the automatic cars. All the numbers could indeed still be broken down one additional level by splitting them between 997.1 and 997.2. In the past i received mixed reaction on such a split so I chose not to do this.
I’m pretty surprised that these 997.1’s and 997.2’s are holding their value
They are doing quite well indeed.
Thank you for the great information as always.
Happy to hear that you liked the video. Do you have any suggestions for the next car?
@@fourwheeltrader actually yes , I would like to see the Lexus LX570
Great Job, congratulations! Could you subtitle to spanish, please? This would be great for many people, sure! Thanks so much
Unfortunately, I don't know any Spannish.
Could you do BMW M Coupe?
Check out the video over here: th-cam.com/video/9lHotnzxZZQ/w-d-xo.html
Bmw 140i please.
C43 coupe please
Did you see the C63 analysis already? Might be relevant.
New market update: th-cam.com/video/LWohuTDm7Uw/w-d-xo.html
*What car would you like to see in the next analysis?*
I'm thinking of moving up to the GT3 not RS from the GT4 981, I don't think you have done gt3's correct
@@Robman-HfoodO Correct, but the GT3 is a good suggestion ;) . Would you like to see one for the 997 or 991?
@@fourwheeltrader the 991's my favorite is the GT3 RS but no manual, I've been watching the 991.2 2018' gt3, this car (gt3)is a bit confusing, the other day I saw an older gt3rs manual, and I have seen some that don't bring the colored cloth handle to open the doors
991.1 base, S and GTS
@@BubuBarong These are high on the to-do list.
Do gt2 and gt2RS 991.2
Good suggestions
Fourwheel Trader - Car depreciation analysis thanks . Let me know if I can assist I own a 2RS and have some what an idea on the market
991 base model?
There is a seperate video on my channel which covers the 991 base models.
$84k is bad buy for a 997 Turbo. I'd say skip it at that price point.
Why are you pointing out 84k? Like the video shows, a fair purchasing price (not good or bad) lays between 70 and 80k for cars with less than 40k miles.
@@fourwheeltrader because I thought I saw $84k as the average for a turbo per your video. Now, I could be wrong as I didn't watch the whole video but I remain steadfast in my opinion on the matter. In fact, I'll go even further and say that at $70k I would not recommend buying a 997 turbo. It's not worth it to me. There are other cars I'd rather buy over the 997 turbo at that price point.
@@iluvcakes19 what would be your alternative?
@@profsteve33 at/around $84k for 997 turbo?? That's a long list... to name a few: c7 / c8 Corvette, gen 5 Viper (easy choice), Evora 400, but fr fr, like for like--awd, turbo, 2+2-- you can get a newer GT-R (again, easy choice) for that money. The GT-R is especially relevant imo if/when you have a buyer NOT wanting a manual. I see no reason to get the 997.
997 turbos are good buys in the $50/60k price range. I consistently see a couple manual turbos floating around at $66k. That's a good deal.
focus st / rs
Can you please talk more slowly... here in uk we don’t like the supersonic usa commentary
You have dutch accent !
Well, i am dutch after all :)
@@fourwheeltrader Gaat lekker kerel. 991.2 Turbo S in midnight blue is mijn droomauto!
🤯
Outdated video. Upppppppp
This is a more recent video but it could also use an update as prices are moving fast: th-cam.com/video/PhpFcXGRj1c/w-d-xo.html
F12
It's covered in the latest V12 Ferrari market update.
E46 M 3
Talk a bit slower ffs
Jay Lee
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