Low-level runner Bucketgetter calls this tactic the "Bucketgetter Special", and has used it several times to end fights before they could get impossibly dangerous for the given conditions.
@@steam-powereddolphin5449I followed the run for a while but never ran it myself because it was too long for (despite running xenoblade games) so I waited tor vengeance because I knew it would be faster especially on pc I will probably start running when routes get more optimized
@@Sunray625Tried it in hard and it will take a sizable chunk of his HP. Just eliminate the healers and use strong ice for the rest of the party and the combination of 5 Muro’s and 6 good ice attacks should have him killed
This strat actually does work for Demi-fiend, albeit in a very modified form - first set up Omnipotent Succession with Nahobino and have your demons pick off one of Demi's demons until the Magatsuhi Gauge is re-filled, then hit Omagatoki: Critical and spam Murakumos into Demi-fiend. Cycle in new demons to take out whichever demon he summons next, then rinse and repeat. This strat won me the fight on Hard mode, so I can vouch for it.
Or just blur with Impalers Glory and Omagatoki charge and remove all party members I needed like 4 and a half press turns but I got a bit unlucky with crits
Depends on which ones The ones that buff you like succssion or impaler'd glory can just stay up up until you use the next attack However using charge/concentrate/succession/impaler's glory after 1 being active just ovrrides the current buff So uou can't stack buffs like that
the really wacky one is stacking succession or impaler's glory with omagatoki charge, as charge lets you keep impaler's glory and succession for the entire turn once you activate it.
@@Blue_BT7274 you can stack any magtushi skill together if you stall long enough There are like infinite turns set ups that do almost magatsuhi skill in the same turn (i am too bad to come up with these lol)
Correct me if im wrong but woudnt omagatoki charge + omnipotent succession work better in this case? 1.5 x4 +1.5 x3= 10.5 4 x 4= 16 Critical+ OS gives 10.5 attacks worth of dmg. Charge+ OS gives 16 attacks with the potential to crit.
i did just that today lol, uploaded if you're interested. (albeit with hell thrust + crit build) you can get 20 attacks this way plus 5 in the next turn since it carries over (if the first one crits).
It would, but the issue with Paraselene Blur (my favorite skill hands down) is the need for Impaler's Animus on anything that null/drain/repels light. Impaler's and Succession both take up the same buff slot, so they override eachother.
@@TheDeatharcana Man I had this whole plan laid out. I was gonna have Lucifer in the party for his innate skill that supposedly grants a pierce effect for all allies. But it turns out that the pierce effect only applies for regular attacks, not skills. "While in the active party, grants a Pierce effect and increases Critical Rate for all allies." At first I thought it was bugged, but apparently the original Japanese description makes it more clear that it's only for regular attacks.
@Rarshnarg Yeah, I've spent the past few days asking questions and gathering information between reddit and gfaqs, and a few other users cited the original Japanese text. There was a hope that Lucifer was bugged, but if this is how his innate skill was intended, that honestly puts him on the bottom tier for me. With my current setup, my Nahobino is running: Paraselene Blur Fierce Roar Luminescent Mirage Impaler's Animus Intercalation Elusive Eclipse (Severe counter w/ Pierce effect) Those skills right there more than compensate for not having Lucifer give the misleading effect that his innate skill states. Any other demons in your party have easy access to Pierce skills, from physical to any of the four main elements, excluding Light and Dark. All this to say, Lucifer is beyond underwhelming ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
it's a shame this strat doesn't work on hard. i just tried it but i only managed to deal 40k. thats with 225 strength too. i guess you could do this to finish with style tho
Shiva on hard is so tanky and even at 200 magic, with inflaming divinity on self and debilitate on Shiva, I'm only doing 3k with Moonlight ice spell or Heavenly Ikuyimi. His tandava still does 400+ on whole party with lvl 99 and vitality around 100. It's rough.
Didn't realize you could combine Omnipotent Succession with Omagatoki effects, that's really cool. I wonder if it would work with Savage? If it does with Critical, then probably yes, yeah? That way it would do double damage and it could crit on top of that for even more damage.
It won’t work with Savage. Savage acts like other skills where once it procs its used up. The reason succession works with critical is because that effect remains until it’s used. The other effects don’t, the rest only last a single turn.
ngl my build is VERY unoptimal in here, but if you just want to use that build and your stats are the same/lower than mine you need it realistically you can just do goggmaogg gaming which is a way better strat and beat it easier (he does a lot of set up here because he is fighting satan, but vs shiva you can literally just buff arahabaki and you should be fine) th-cam.com/video/cxLRqugBmjs/w-d-xo.html
@@AbdullahQumper yea late/end game you usually want to invest in like 1 attack skill and have a lot of passive/support skills The start I used here is also slightly sub optimal Realistically post game it's better to have nahobino as a support and have a different demon do damage
They did Idun dirty by introducing a strikt upgrade in Sakuya. But she's still a fantasie healer and -arguably more important- prettiger and the original waifu.
Could you not use the Evergreen Dance Nahobino Skill to fill up the Magatsuhi gauge faster instead of guarding? I believe Support Skills and Healing Skills don't proc Omnipotent Succession.
![Shin Megami Tensei 5 Vengeance - Boss Demi fiend 1 Turn Kill [HARD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_QC2XlgPMrU/mqdefault.jpg)
I see a lot of people commenting about what I could have done better, and I am going to be honest
I just used my favorite demons and saw what works
based
What about spamming debilitate and then using the almighty arrow move.
Based
I also want to just use the demons I have.
Basado.
This man just straight up just said "Naw, I'll Aramasa with the Marakumo blade."
Having your party back out for you to solo the boss is actually pretty cool.
yea I saw it in the demifiend% speedrun so I have to use it everywhere now because it's so cool
Low-level runner Bucketgetter calls this tactic the "Bucketgetter Special", and has used it several times to end fights before they could get impossibly dangerous for the given conditions.
@@steam-powereddolphin5449I followed the run for a while but never ran it myself because it was too long for (despite running xenoblade games) so I waited tor vengeance because I knew it would be faster especially on pc
I will probably start running when routes get more optimized
Nahobino: *✋…I got this.”
Strongest Boss in History vs the Strongest Murakumo of today
Trust me this very much didn't work vs the actual strongest boss in the game
@@Sunray625 is it the new super boss or the OTHER new superboss
@@Zikuu_there’s another!
@@Sunray625Wonder how it works on hard. I’ve never played normal in a single smt game and I can’t imagine this cheese would fly in hard or godborn lol
@@Sunray625Tried it in hard and it will take a sizable chunk of his HP. Just eliminate the healers and use strong ice for the rest of the party and the combination of 5 Muro’s and 6 good ice attacks should have him killed
Demifiend is gonna Gaea rage so hard when he learns the Nahobino is attempting to use this otk strat.
This strat actually does work for Demi-fiend, albeit in a very modified form - first set up Omnipotent Succession with Nahobino and have your demons pick off one of Demi's demons until the Magatsuhi Gauge is re-filled, then hit Omagatoki: Critical and spam Murakumos into Demi-fiend. Cycle in new demons to take out whichever demon he summons next, then rinse and repeat. This strat won me the fight on Hard mode, so I can vouch for it.
Or just blur with Impalers Glory and Omagatoki charge and remove all party members I needed like 4 and a half press turns but I got a bit unlucky with crits
I am going to have to give this a shot because these super bosses are showing me what an SMT novice I really am 😂😢
Back home we call this the bucketgetter special
most balanced physical build in smt
@@footsniffer5344 highly recommend you to look at a goggmagogg build for more balanced physical build (that's the end game build for the speedrun)
Throw in a Norn for good fun. She doesn't use a Press Turn when you switch her out, so that's more attacks for the Nahobino.
okay i didnt know the magatsuhi skills can stack wtf
Depends on which ones
The ones that buff you like succssion or impaler'd glory can just stay up up until you use the next attack
However using charge/concentrate/succession/impaler's glory after 1 being active just ovrrides the current buff
So uou can't stack buffs like that
the really wacky one is stacking succession or impaler's glory with omagatoki charge, as charge lets you keep impaler's glory and succession for the entire turn once you activate it.
No way i just beat this game to find out now critical and Omnipotent succession can stack
@@Blue_BT7274 you can stack any magtushi skill together if you stall long enough
There are like infinite turns set ups that do almost magatsuhi skill in the same turn (i am too bad to come up with these lol)
Correct me if im wrong but woudnt omagatoki charge + omnipotent succession work better in this case?
1.5 x4 +1.5 x3= 10.5
4 x 4= 16
Critical+ OS gives 10.5 attacks worth of dmg.
Charge+ OS gives 16 attacks with the potential to crit.
i did just that today lol, uploaded if you're interested. (albeit with hell thrust + crit build)
you can get 20 attacks this way plus 5 in the next turn since it carries over (if the first one crits).
I'm playing this game wrong. I need to change my strats.
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it.
NO SAAR DO NOT REDEEM CRITICAL OMAGATOKI SAAAR!!! SAAAAARRRR NO SAAAAARRRR!!!
saar i want white womanzz
My OG nahobino build back in the base game was this but with crit aura.
So would that also allow you to cast Paraselene Blur 4 times in a row after evading an attack the previous turn?
yea
It would, but the issue with Paraselene Blur (my favorite skill hands down) is the need for Impaler's Animus on anything that null/drain/repels light. Impaler's and Succession both take up the same buff slot, so they override eachother.
@@TheDeatharcana Man I had this whole plan laid out. I was gonna have Lucifer in the party for his innate skill that supposedly grants a pierce effect for all allies. But it turns out that the pierce effect only applies for regular attacks, not skills.
"While in the active party, grants a Pierce effect and increases Critical Rate for all allies." At first I thought it was bugged, but apparently the original Japanese description makes it more clear that it's only for regular attacks.
@@TheDeatharcanainb4 you use devil Lucifer for innate pierce on all allies and realize it only works for basic attacks
@Rarshnarg Yeah, I've spent the past few days asking questions and gathering information between reddit and gfaqs, and a few other users cited the original Japanese text. There was a hope that Lucifer was bugged, but if this is how his innate skill was intended, that honestly puts him on the bottom tier for me.
With my current setup, my Nahobino is running:
Paraselene Blur
Fierce Roar
Luminescent Mirage
Impaler's Animus
Intercalation
Elusive Eclipse (Severe counter w/ Pierce effect)
Those skills right there more than compensate for not having Lucifer give the misleading effect that his innate skill states.
Any other demons in your party have easy access to Pierce skills, from physical to any of the four main elements, excluding Light and Dark. All this to say, Lucifer is beyond underwhelming ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
it's a shame this strat doesn't work on hard. i just tried it but i only managed to deal 40k. thats with 225 strength too. i guess you could do this to finish with style tho
Yeah I was wondering about that too but knowing Shiva would just have higher stats and HP it'd be obvious I wouldn't deal that much damage.
This is about as cheesy as people 1 turning Satan with crazy swap in tricks. Which is to say, it's not cheesy it's fair game.
That is very fair and balanced 😂
Would a magic build with heavenly ikuyumi also work?
Shiva on hard is so tanky and even at 200 magic, with inflaming divinity on self and debilitate on Shiva, I'm only doing 3k with Moonlight ice spell or Heavenly Ikuyimi. His tandava still does 400+ on whole party with lvl 99 and vitality around 100. It's rough.
Gonna try to onnipotent+savage this blue bastard.
It's also an effective way to damage him on Hard.
I just spent over an hour earlier basically trying to survive, I’m devastated, Khonsu Ra carried btw
@@AstroMarsh8739 that's fair especially if it's your first playthrough
@@Sunray625 Actually it was my second playthrough, CoV, still hard as heck, really fun challenge though 9/10
Didn't realize you could combine Omnipotent Succession with Omagatoki effects, that's really cool. I wonder if it would work with Savage? If it does with Critical, then probably yes, yeah? That way it would do double damage and it could crit on top of that for even more damage.
It won’t work with Savage. Savage acts like other skills where once it procs its used up. The reason succession works with critical is because that effect remains until it’s used. The other effects don’t, the rest only last a single turn.
@@UnifiedGod777 I think what he means is using Succession and then savage afterwards which is possible after all. The same with adversirty.
@@UnifiedGod777 Savage is turn based similar to critical and adversity, I reckon it will work similarly.
Why i cant change to make my party member to null, like its have to change to other demon?
Question to everyone, could this work without Omnipotent Succession?
ngl my build is VERY unoptimal in here, but if you just want to use that build and your stats are the same/lower than mine you need it
realistically you can just do goggmaogg gaming which is a way better strat and beat it easier (he does a lot of set up here because he is fighting satan, but vs shiva you can literally just buff arahabaki and you should be fine) th-cam.com/video/cxLRqugBmjs/w-d-xo.html
You could probably otk him without critical. Just do omnipotent succession into thalassic calamity with 3 pandemonic feast demons
@@chaincat33 I didn't want to think about it I was lazy
And here I thought Murakumo couldnt be any more broken than it was
Very nice
What is with the low volume????
almighty and high almighty stack together?
@@AbdullahQumper any pleroma stack with their high veriant
@Sunray625 nice... I should consider that instead using random skills
@@AbdullahQumper yea late/end game you usually want to invest in like 1 attack skill and have a lot of passive/support skills
The start I used here is also slightly sub optimal
Realistically post game it's better to have nahobino as a support and have a different demon do damage
@Sunray625 nice strategy... I have my own boss fight videos
@@AbdullahQumper awesome
Highly recommend you watch the speedrun for this game btw, it's very cool
Why Idun over Konohana Sakuya? Just asking cuz all I hear all the time is that Idun has been powercrept
@@nekrovx because I like her
They did Idun dirty by introducing a strikt upgrade in Sakuya. But she's still a fantasie healer and -arguably more important- prettiger and the original waifu.
Yall better hurry before rhey do an update
@@leelthelful atlus doesn't really do stuff like that
Also on steam you can downgrade versions so it's not that big of a deal
i see you havent reached godmode yet cause your lv 99 with everyone
I got it a bit after
Shiva is 3x easier than Satan. Fyi
Yoko spoilers 😭
If you see a party at level 99 fighting a superboss you should expect spoilers
who even play on Normal to begin with
@@DrummerDucky "grrr people enjoy the game in the diffucultiy they like grr"
Could you not use the Evergreen Dance Nahobino Skill to fill up the Magatsuhi gauge faster instead of guarding? I believe Support Skills and Healing Skills don't proc Omnipotent Succession.
maybe, im just looking at the fact MC has 223 strength
i was just too lazy to put it on lol