A McIntosh Killer? The Bold & Fearless Advance Paris A12 Classic 🔥
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I have an A12 in my secondary system and your review is spot on. Tube rolling is possible and best achieved by taking the front panel off. I imported mine from a German dealer and saved about $1,100, so for ~$2,500 it's very hard to beat the value. I have compared it to the Accuphase E-4000 in my reference system and although the build quality isn't close the sound signature with Class A bias on gives it a run for the money. I use a HiFi Rose RS250A as the streamer/digital source and the RS250A's SABRE ES9028 Pro DAC is better but to your comment I could live with the Burr Brown DAC in the A12.
Can you share the name of the importer , I can't wait to connect my loaded Geshelli J2 DAC
I live in France. We tend not to find Advance in independent HiFi stores but,with so many sales going to online businesses it’s difficult evaluate this amplifier. Most independents in my region of France sell HEED, Naim, REGA, Atoll , Cambridge,Musical Fidelity,Roksan, , Rotel and Mcintosh. They mostly promote separate components but even this is changing with Naim and Cambridge. I want to be so positive about this amplifier because of the use of tubes, VU meters but my HiFi journey has been so much fun by buying and selling different components over the years. I buy mostly new and have hardly lost any money selling a DAC, phono preamp, preamp or power amp individually. In fact some of the people I have met in the process have become friends! I have read some of the online reviews in French about Advance and they have been extremely successful. Good luck to Advance Paris .
Great review, thanks. These people saying something’s gonna kill McIntosh are gonna have to wait 50-60 years and see if they’re still in business and offering support and manufacturing parts for stuff that came out today. Even if that happens, they’ll only have come close to matching McIntosh.
I bought one just 3 weeks ago after one week of intensive testing. I just didn`t want to give it back anymore🙂. It looks amazing, and it sounds really great. After 50 hours of burn-in, I was actually shocked! Tube preamp and solid state amp is the best of both worlds for me! I use Eversolo DMP-A8 as a streamer, Q Acoustics Concept 500 loudspeakers and some very nice interconnects / speaker cables. It`s an amazing piece of gear. It doesn`t have to be a McIntosch Killer. It is just good as it is. The value for money is incredible. I changed many gear during the last 30 years, some of it was +10 KUSD or above. This is why I was completely blown away with the performance of the Classic A12. Just didn`t expect the sound to be at this level.
*Instead Q Acoustics ???* *Martin Logan Motion 60XT* 👈👍👌
I’m running the same Q acoustics speakers with a Naim XS3 amp. What others amplifiers have you tried with them?
@@navoo9009 Or polk R700
@@sapkan7879 Cambridge Audio Edge NQ / Edge W.. I tried Advance Paris and Eversolo DMP-A8 just for fun. Cambridge is for sale now 🙂. You happy with the Naim?
Great review. Nice and grounded, one of few that did not go for the "McIntosh Killer" hype but evaluated it for the fine product that it is.
I own an Advance Paris A10 classic and have had a few McIntosh and Luxman amps over the years. I agree with your assessment completely .
A Macintosh killer? Hardly. Yet another option. The price certainly is no benefit....a new product to me also...but I understand that they have been around awhile in Europe. I've watched a few reviews by other reviews and the reviews have all been positive. Appreciate your review, just question the Macintosh comparison!! Thanks again for your review.
I believe the move to single box solutions and even active speaker systems will continue to grow. Products like this definitely fit that criteria and will make many customers happy. But the high end solutions are not going to be dethroned by “Killers” like this. A blue plastic face plate will not give manufacturers like Macintosh many sleepless nights.
CAM covers A.P. as well, they seem pretty sweet too me. It looks very well made and thought out.
Very nice job, Dave. I don’t think it’s quite a McIntosh killer. I have a few vintage McIntosh pieces. However, this looks like a nice piece. The sheer volume of inputs makes this an extraordinarily versatile component. I don’t think I’d want to use the dac for more than TV. I love that it has tone and high bias. Pretty amazing.
I recently picked one up to give it a try. I ran it continuously for 6 days before sitting down for some serious listening. I found the midrange and high range to be very impressive. The mid clarity is superb, with an excellent presence, and the highs were crisp but never sibilant or fatiguing. In other words, it's very neutral. However, I found the bass to be lacking, even with the loudness function active and the bass set to 10. My speakers are Klipsch Cornwall 3's, and they will produce the deep bass if it's there. With a sensitivity of 102 db, and 8 ohms impedance, it's my opinion that they just didn't present the A12 with enough of a challenge. I think this integrated is probably more at home with speakers that present a challenge to it, as many reviewers have felt it had quite good bass response. My current integrated, and the one I went back to is the Vincent SV-237MK. Both amps are very similar spec wise, including having pure class A output at lower levels and tube preamps. The difference is that the bass presentation of the Vincent is noticeably deeper. I absolutely will not run a sub woofer in my system, so I have to have an amp capable of deep bass. Don't take this as a bad rap on the A12, because it's not meant to be. I loved everything about the A12 except the bass, and would have kept it except for that. This is an FYI. If you run sensitive, easy to drive speakers and you crave deep bass, this may not be the integrated for you.
Great review and information. I have the A12 and getting familiar with the features. Your video is very helpful in this respect.
Owned the Playstream A7 a few years ago, sold it after a month. Was underwhelmed by finishing, sound...everything felt cheap 🙈 But great review 😊
You have a lot of impressive gear. I'm eagerly awaiting your garage sale. LOL If I was a gajillionaire I would buy one of these for each of the systems in my house. I have six right now. LOL
It was on loan from distributor. Thanks for watching.
I’m digging that CJ. I have a poor man’s CJ solid state amp ( SA 250) and it’s great. I’m tube integrated and Heresy IV with sub now. Done. I still enjoy reviews:)
I like the big transformers and large caps in this amp.
A made in China amplifier
CAM TH-cam channel has been pimping Advance Paris for a while and this model as well
Nice looking amplifier
I use the Advance Paris Stream Tubes which is nice streamer with good software
Made in China, not Chinese. Did you know that Hegel amps are made there as well?
Hegel never appealed to me and now even less so
@@middleearthltd yet they are recognised as extremely well sounding everywhere I've heard(Hegel). American made stopped meaning something in the late 70s for the rest of the world.
@@MODAC Made by Opera Audio/Consonance
@@MODAC Same with Monitor Audio, Wharfedale.
There are many cases when 'the less is more' principle doesn't apply. This amplifier may indeed represent such a case. It looks much more beautiful than any McIntosh component. In that regard, at least, it wins. By the way, I saw in flashes the albums you chose to test the device, and I have to say that your music taste is impeccable (The Police, Kate Bush, Talking Heads, the list goes on)
Great review! Thanks for sharing.
The best thing about any integrated amp is you don't have use a set of interconnects between preamp and power amp. You lose a lot of sound quality through cables; the worse your cables, the more SQ you lose. I have experienced cables that have easily 50% more sound quality than other cables. I don't think getting great amplification has to be that expensive. I sometimes put in use into my system a Bravo Ocean tube headphone amp that has rca outputs to a power amp. I connect it usually to the Main In terminals of a totl 1980s Luxman integrated amp, and the sound quality I'm sure would compete with some current integrated amps costing thousands of dollars. Nearly impossible to fault the sound. I paid somewhat over $200 for the used Luxman integrated, less than $90 for the Bravo headphone amp which acts as a preamp, and under $20 I'm sure for NOS 1954 Sylvania 12AU7 tube. Around $350 total for something whose sound quality competes head on with a lot of new integrated amps costing ten times more. I do use, out of this world good cables, and the ones I use with this combo costs far more than the two components combined.
Some 1980s integrated amps are absolutely wonderful sounding and under the radar. A lot of people don't even see what their seperatable power amp section sounds like. On some, it is a whole lot better than the preamp section of the integrated, used as an integrated, instead of as just a power amp. Of course hooking it up to the power amp section only, it bypasses all the controls on the integrated. But a volume control on what is feeding it, is enough.
DAC Direct w JLA active crossover
Interconnects minimal expense
Compared to speaker/sub/amp
Interesting, thank you
It's a decent product. I don't think it's a Mac killer. Ide still buy a Rotel Pre power combo for around this money. The meters are nice buy not up to Mac standards. I've seen em in the same room. The Knob feel is the only let down for me. This amp is very well featured. That's what people want. I believe this company are reading the market well would like to see more amps wirh midrange controls like Yamaha and Marantz used to include. Class AB is the go. Over time the only question I ask is about reliability and parts availability. I know people in the tech world that are very big on these for good reason. I am an Accuphase fan boy really. But this gear is very expensive now. The quality justifies those prices. Like the red boards and big transformers. Decent capacitors too.
I'm looking to buy the A10. If a tube goes out are they changeable?
Of course.
Hi, i have a Sansui 881 like you. My question is if the A12 integrated is a night and day difference from the Sansui soundwise. Thank you.
Didn’t think to do a head to head…wouldn’t actually be very helpful. Thanks!
I heard these are allot like Emotiva inside, possibly built in the same factory as the BassX series has anyone else heard that?
so i am digging this video and then its pop the hood timeAsome!
Too bad you aren't in Florida. I would be willing to have you test my McIntosh MA-252 and run a comparison review with your other gear. It is the most reasonable ($4500.00) amp they make. The fit & finish is superb. I listen to some form of music 12+ hours a day and have never experienced any listening fatigue. True, it has no meters so i took that money and purchased their XR50 speakers together. I am very happy with the tube/SS setup and think it is the way to go for someone who plays mostly vinyl and CDs. But, there is some terrific gear out there. Very informative video BTW 😊
I am in Florida. Thx
@@MODAC the offer is there. I'm in Ft. Meyers.
nice piece a gear
Looks great! But how does a US citizen purchase this product?
The US distributor’s dealer website playbackdistribution.com/pages/store-locator-1
I wouldn't say even it is an ADCOM killer. Sorry I am not impressed!
And you're basing that opinion on what experience?
Adcom is lofi.
The distortion noise that accompanied the ‘subscribe now’ prompt is incredibly annoying, especially via an outboard home audio system. You might want to rethink it.
Just keeping you on your toes. Thx
It's not really a big deal is it?
Tube rolling? Easy or difficult?
Didn’t try it. Looks like it will require a bit of effort.
Anyone know where Advance Paris products can be purchased? I see they have a distributor in Toronto and one called Playback Distribution in the USA ( although I was unable to find any info on their site regarding retail options….)
I put a link for a store locator in the video description. Thx
Thanks Modac however I tried that earlier a few times but distributor’s site dealer locator doesn’t seem to function, coming up blank. Good overview of the amp BTW.
@@Toisornottoam There are European sellers of it on Ebay
Yes, I saw there were European sellers on EBay, thanks. The potential of a need for warranty work dissuades me from that. The manufacturer states on their website that warranty claims are to be handled by the distributor who will work in concert with the manufacturer so it would likely be a real rat’s nest with an E Bay purchase. I have no reason to believe Advance Paris products may have quality control issues or are prone to breakdowns but on the other hand we don’t know that they don’t or aren’t. I’ll get in touch directly with the distributor here in the US and figure out where they are headed and when, and report back here.
@@Toisornottoam I understand that. Good reasoning.
I think not,get what you pay for.
Yes, Separates are easier to integrate
If it's made in China, I don't even consider it.
Should be noted that this is a French-German collaboration with the actual units being made in China. No thank you........
Cheap looking