I don't think they're gonna fake out Tech's death. I think the only reason we got his goggles is so that they can be passed to Omega, along with an Armor piece from each batch member. I bet by the end of the series Omega will be the last member of Clone Force 99 Standing.
Come to think of it, the armor idea could echo what Alex pointed out about Boba, that telling Bane he has armor represented the support he had gained. Beyond that, I agree about Tech. Specifically because he sacrificed himself, that's more impactful if he's actually dead.
Thank you so much for adressing the fact that most people give all the credit for most stuff to dave filoni even when he's not responsible for it. It really frustrates me.
What I liked about the Bad Batch finale is how it mirrors the OG trilogy. The Empire Strikes Back is also a pretty bleak ending for a part 2 of a series which made part 3 victories much more impactful.
Extremely upsetting to lose Tech, but we have to also acknowledge the profound beauty in his heroic sacrifice, like we did with Clone 99. We can’t take that away from Tech by wanting him to still be alive or be turned into evil Tech. That would be tragic.
I love the idea that Scorch has been leaking intel to other clones. He's been awfully quiet during the two seasons for being so decorated with his original clone armor, standing out so much from the other commandos and being around Dr. Hemlock a lot. Also the way the show zoomed in on him during the baby Zillo Beast episode really feels like they're hinting something!
I don't think his contact can be someone working at Mt. Tantis. If they were, the contact could just have told the Batch where the facility was. The contact is probably a clone somewhere around Tarkin's office. Probably someone we don't know, though it would be cool if it was Wolffe.
I think the Empire will have to choose between the death star and Hemlock's ambitious society-altering cloning plans. Maybe the Bad Batch will play a role in their decision to put the resources into the death star instead of all the cloning.
I think that when Hemlock was talking about using his Advanced Science Division and shaping society, he was talking about the beginning to the Sith Eternal. They are a *society* utterly loyal to Palpatine, exactly what Hemlock wanted. This is why, in addition to Palpatine's eternal life project, Hemlock was asking for a massive funding.
This Hemlock reminds me strongly of a character of another series. *does their best Palpatine attending a performance of squid lake impression* "Did you ever hear of the anime series Elfen Lied?"
I know this might sound dark but I want to see wrecker deal with not saving tech just seeing him so sad was interesting and I would love to see more and how he’ll deal with it
I feel like everybody would blame themselves. Wrecker would blame himself because he couldn’t reach Tech. Hunter will blame himself because he approved the mission. Echo will blame himself because he introduced the batch to Cid and basically jump started the mission. Crosshair will blame himself because Tech died trying to save him. Omega will blame herself because she is a child and of course she’d feel like she could’ve done more, that’s how children can be.
For the next Q/A When Kanan tells Ezra why he's hesitant to trust Rex during their first meeting, he explains order 66 and says "Later they said they had chips in their heads that made them do it." Do you think the "clone uprising" could be as simple as banding together and speaking out against The Empire publicly, while simultaneously revealing the nature of the chips, as well as their lack of of choice in that matter? This could also serve as a sort of galactic apology for what happened to the Jedi. OR do you think Kanan's line is more like a rumor he heard. I imagine them hijacking some sort if signal and broadcasting a message across the galaxy- something that could be covered up or altered by The Empire in order to lessen the impact it would have on the public. Alternative facts lol.
Q&A: What would you think if the Bad Batch did a Halo reach thing, where each of the main characters dies in someway? Like at the end Hunter dies saving Crosshair. And Crosshair then gets hit ultimate redemption saving Omega. Especially after all he did in the first season. It also would help explain why the batch hasn’t appeared later on in canon.
Intriguing, but I will need a therapist for the emotional trauma. This whole show got way more tragic than I expected it to be, so I wouldn't rule it out they would turn up to the drama to the max.
I think tech is gone... but I also think theres a possibility that hemlock could've extracted some of his DNA if they really did find the body. And then he will probably recreate him or something. That's the only real way I can think of that doesn't feel cheap to me.
Tech is a clone of jango. That doesnt make any sense. he doesnt need tech. He has omega. tech was modified, which is why they dont clone the other modified clones
I was thinking something along the lines of cybernetic reanimation. Like they remodel him into a close combat bruiser & redesignate him CT###-### Durasteel or just DT01 and implant a new inhibitor chip. The season premier could see Omega somehow "reawaken" his Tech personality. Whereupon they attempt an Elfen Lied esque escape. Hit on the helmet (via an inhibitor chip damaging sniper shot) on the way out. The episode ending can be left ambiguous as to whether he escaped as Tech the person or Durasteel the weapon.
Thanks for keeping the Bad Batch conversation going! Still NOT over Tech. (I’m on the denial train too, Mollie!) Hope you’re enjoying London and l’m looking forward to SW Celebration news! 😊❤
Could Wolffe be one of the clones that are still undercover as part of the Empire? After all, by the time of Rebels, while he did have his chip removed, he is still apparently supposed to make check-ins with the Empire. So at the very least he is not branded as a rogue clone or as a traitor.
I think Tech will play a future role - his goggles are just to scare the rest of the Batch, but he will maybe not appear in the first episodes. Either he may be in Mt Tantis and there will be a half bad batch in the location there (Omega, Xhair and Tech) and the other half outside (Wrecker, Echo, Hunter) who both work basically to reunite. Or he is going solitary and comes to the rescue at some unlikely moment.
In the last episode of season one, Tech summed up Crosshair's personality perfectly. Tech said that just because he understands Crosshair doesnt mean he agrees with him. Tech sort of did the same with Saw's actions.
I think Season 3 will be the last, partially because the way this season ended reminds me of Empire Strikes Back: the good guys don't win and they have to go rescue one of their own (Han/Omega and possibly Crosshair) in the next installment. Plus the reveal of the secret family relation (Vader/Emerie), and getting sold out by a close contact (Lando/Cid). So having Bad Batch be a trilogy of seasons would almost seem to "rhyme", as George Lucas would say.
Honestly thought Echo’s contact could’ve potentially been Ahsoka already acting as Fulcrum. It would make sense since she specialized in intelligence and stuff like that in the early rebellion.
I both hope that Echo’s contact is Scorch, so that Omega has someone extra looking out for her at Mt. Tantis, and so that Scorch and hopefully all of Delta are good guys. I don’t exactly know how it’ll make sense, but I have faith in them to explain it to me 😅
I feel that what Hemlock was talking about was actually pretty clear, he’s basically describing a heighten sci-fi/fantasy version of essentially eugenics.
Why would either of them have that info? The meeting was specifically about hiding things from the senate and fulcrum wouldn't have top level inside empire sources- probably.
@@Lahzing We don't have a clear picture of either how long she was in hiding or how long after Empire Day Bad Batch is by the end of season 2. There's enough wiggle room there that if the writers have a convincing enough idea they could make it work.
now that you said it i do hope Scorch is actually a mole, because in legends defection rates for commandos were higher, and it'd be interesting if we got to see some of that, like maybe the rest of delta squad dipped but scorch decided to remain undercover, as that's sorta what Commandos are good at
“There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.”
I expected Cid to betray the BB team but not the gut bunch followed up by two broken legs of Echo's fate but I believe him to still be alive. I envision that he was able to fire his jetpack on the way down and landed safely only to be captured by Hemlock. I honestly think that if next season is the final one that the team is reunited only to all end up sacrificing themselves to ensure that Omega survives which leaves Cody, Rex and Gregor along with the other remaining clones escaping to safety. I can see the Dr playing a major role in getting them all out even though Hemlock will probably have some level of success in his cloning experiments. I feel that the final season will have similar feels to the ending of Rogue One
I have to disagree with the thoughts that the Empire would not have been affected by the bombing if successful. 10:30 Who is there? Tarkin - Replaceable Coburn - Replaceable Romodi - Replaceable Krennic - ??? Death Star ??? Hemlock - ??? Somehow Palpatine has returned ???
Yeah, you might as well say the Rebel attack at Endor was pointless, as Palpatine would be replaced. Tech's logic was very flawed, and I would have preferred it if the Batch had just said that saving the Prisoners was indeed worth protecting Hemlock for now
The death star was in production before the empire was formed. Killing Krennic would mean someone else would take over. It's why Tarkin took over it when he died.
I get the want for a Cid redemption, but unless she straight up tells Hunter where the clone containment center is (Tantis) - i'd only want to see her again if she's killed. An absolute snake in plain sight.
Tech is dead. "They didn't show a body" isn't an argument because this is a kids show and a fall from that height would turn him into a bloody pulp. The only people who have survived getting cut in half or falling great heights are sith who use their rage and the dark side to stay alive. Tech died the same way as Saw Gerrera's sister
Q&A: In the Mandalorian, Bo Katan made a deal with Moff Gideon to save the rest of the planet, but he went back on his word. Could The Armorer have made her own deal with him? She would help him forge the stolen Beskar, in exchange for preserving her people and getting rid of the "apostates" on Mandalore.
I felt much more sad (even cried and cry everytime) when Kanan sacrificed himself than when Tech did it! We took more time to know Kanan and see him evolve and change and was also part of my adolescence, so I grew up with him.
I think the under cover clone is Commander Wolffe. Scorch has tried to kill the bad batch and shot Gregor in season 1 (unless he’s turned after). It’s clear the standard infantry clones are being phased out but it’s more likely the empire would hold onto the “important clones” such as commandos, ARCs and officers.
Mount Tantiss is perhaps the most top secret location in the Empire behind Project Stardust, aka The Death Star. I would expect any assault by clones on Mount Tantiss to turn into a suicide mission without any clone survivors. Now this brings up the question of the Observatories that were set up on Outer Rim and even more distant worlds.
I wonder if the clone contact is Wolffe. I know he ends up with Rex and Gregor in Rebels, but he first attacks the Rebels thinking they were there for revenge for the Jedi, and he tips the empire off to them being there, so he would make sense for someone in deep cover with the empire
Both Echo & Gregor survived explosions. So I wouldn’t be surprised if Echo survived that fall. Albeit he’s gonna need a long time to heal & maybe some some cybernetics. Also we only saw his googles not his body. So finding his body would confirm his survival or him being put in a coffin.
The contact may be wollfie because he joined the clones and in rebels he is able to contact the empire without a record and be somewhat respected be Rex gets an offer for his recors to be cleared
I would say Tarkin's death would have been the only one to really impact things, along with Galen Erso, the Tarkin doctrine was pretty crucial in how the empire was shaped in the Star Wars universe
I really think they’re setting up the bad batch to turn into gen 1 death troopers or at least get to the dark sciences behind the development. I think that’s why they are using commandos because they’re designed to be able to execute high risk targets if anything were to go wrong, using crosshair to develop their shooting skills and tech mind to actually develop it. May be out of nowhere but is a story gap we are missing.
I envision there will be some episodes where they gather Clones together, prior to assault/siege of Mt Tantis. I think this sets up a time for a Cody and Rex reunion. I think Cody will have a ton of guilt for the Jedi Purge, the destruction of Camino and in effect Clones themselves, as will many of the other Clones, and Rex will have to help them through that. That also sets up Cody to sacrifice himself for Omega and crew, during the assault, he cant fix the past but he can try to change the future for his Brothers (and sisters).
i desperately need to write down all my thoughts somewhere, and i figured here is as good as anywhere characters in star wars have survived worse falls than tech. even in the same show, hunter falls from a comparable height on daro and literally walks it off. when hemlock throws tech's goggles over to hunter you can see in the episode that the goggles were broken. tech strikes me as the kind of person who would disregard any broken gear, so he would probably leave behind a pair of goggles with broken lenses if making an escape. additionally, hemlock doesn't need anything more than those goggles to convince the batch that tech's dead, which would break them emotionally and make them less effective against the empire. ive also seen some people worry about tech's death feeling weak if he returns, i would fix that by making tech suffer permanent damage from the fall, and i was thinking tech losing his memory works perfectly. tech has gotten a lot of character development, as people have noted, so to see all that gone and replaced by the clean slate he was in the clone wars would be an adequate cost to have him back. if the batch gets trapped in another dire situation mid/late season 3 and a mysterious person in a cloak rescues them, i wouldn't be surprised if it was tech. then again, this entire ending was a massive fast one performed by the writing team, they would probably introduce a character like that only to reveal some random new guy
This is how I handled the five stages of grief about Tech. Denial: Saying what Mollie is saying. Anger: Getting mad at Saw, Cid, and Dave Filoni. Bargaining: Begging Disney to change the episode so that Echo dies instead of Tech. Depression: Do I need to explain? Acceptance: Planning his funeral.
I think a clone assault on Tantis sounds perfect, as we get the clone uprising but no matter the outcome the Empire will keep it secret as its already a secret base, which explains why we haven't heard about it in-universe
I think tech survived the fall and I have a couple of theories one being tech who is a genius repurposing his grapple line and attaching it to the poles that are holding up the train line leaving him stranded on the planet. The other is Saw’s ship could have seen the events on the train lines as they were flying away and went to rescue tech by either tech landing on top of the ship or Saw throwing him a line to pull him up into the ship.
I'm still undecided whether I like the finale surprises, or miss that we didnt get the Mt Tantis rescue mission. I think it was probably for the best to break the mold. Hoping S3 can be as good as some of S2's best eps - the 2 Crosshair ones and the mid season ones
The operative working undercover has got to be Wolffe, he’s the only of the three clones from rebels not shown yet, and the imperial guy at the summit that spoke up for the clones worked with wolffe in the clone wars, I think that’s got to be the most obvious answer
They have to, Have To, HAVE TO have Tech be dead. They can't keep pulling the fake death thing and expect it to just be okay with audiences. Yes, as a character, we want him to be alive. But from a storytelling angle, that's a well they can't keep dipping into. They did it with Maul, they did it with Echo, they did it with Palpatine (some are done better than others), and when you get into Force ghosts and the likes, they brought Obi-Wan back, they brought Yoda back, they brought Han back. It's just too much to keep doing the same thing again and again, and it makes death meaningless and audiences will stop caring if they're in any danger because they know death won't last.
Even if Tech is alive, which would cheapen his sacrifice, Hemlock would not have him. "Tarkin wants you for questioning." Hemlock isn't going to disobey an order from Tarkin, especially now that he's got Omega to control Nala Se.
We have grown to love the clones so much we forgot that even the lucky ones are doomed to die an early death struggling soon with the effects of old age. I love Tech, but I feel that his death is a reminder into reality of their lives. They didn't have a childhood, all they have known is violence and a government that saw them as equipment at best and experiment scrap at worst. By some miracle they might get a couple happy years...but judging by the reality shown in Andor and (to a smaller extent) this show....that just won't happen. It killed me to see Tech die, but it also shook me out of my 'they can actually live happily ever after' lie we've been believing and hoping for.
Still reeling from Tech’s fall…still hoping the Batch does manage to get some level of revenge, “John Wick” style. And still hoping we don’t have to wait too long for the Batch to get their vengeance.
I cannot imagine they really write Tech out of the show. It would not really fit Star Wars. They developed his character and showed him changing towards something new but did not fulfil that quest. He for example still left Phee without really saying goodbye or smiling or anything hinting towards his development. So his development line was broken and this is not what Star Wars does - if we see a development in someone, we usually are shown where it leads to and just before their death there is a resolution on that theme. Techs possible death would basically "just" be how Tech originally was. He would not have decided or acted any other way if it was season 1 Tech - acting out of logic and probability. This would be atypical for Star Wars as such a death would also show a culmination of a personal change someone experienced. This is basically always happenng to the main characters or villains in Star Wars.
Sorry but, have you NOT been paying attention? This finale was pure Filoni. Don't you remember when he "killed" Ahsoka in Rebels, there was outcry, there was uncontrolled weeping. This is just exactly the kind of thing that Dave Filoni does. It was all there for us to see. All the character development between Tech and Omega, the crass out of place comments by the character Phee? I don't think he's dead, I think Hemlock is just playing the Bad Batch. Just like Echo wasn't dead and didn't really leave the bad batch. This is pure Filoni - by the way, isn't it great how that rhymes with "Baloney"?
I can't imagine a scenario where they bring back Tech and it doesn't feel cheap. I feel like they would have an uphill battle justifying that. It sucks that he died but that's what makes it a compelling story, to undue that could ruin the emotion of that moment. And I don't see how turning him into a death trooper robot wouldn't feel like a retread of Crosshair.
Q:A: When we know, that Therm Scissorpunch was active during the High Republic, what exactly did he do during the the Prequel-era or what was his reaction to Order 66 and the rise of the Galactic Empire?
Q&A: What 5 predictions do you think we'll see in The Bad Batch Season 3 since The Bad Batch Season 2 is over and it left a cliffhanger of Omega got captured by the Empire? (My five predictions I think we'll might see are: 1. We might possibly going to see more female clones appeared since Omega is no longer the only female clone. 2. We learned the truth about Jango Fett wanted clone children than the three we know of. 3. I think we'll might see Darth Vader and the rest of the Inquisitors are going to be wiping alot of clones during at the massive Clone Rebellion and this might going to give Wolffe PTSDs when he got it in Star Wars Rebels. 4. Since The Bad Batch no longer works for Cid, they might going to get help from someone else. 5. Crosshair hears the sad news and reacts of Tech got killed during in the Season 2 finale.)
10:42 killing Tarkin off might have meant the end of The Tarkin Doctrine, and maybe they would have invested more in smaller ships and a more numerous fleet to be more nimble fleet which may have been better suited to fighting the insurgents.
The first thought I had when they revealed that the clone technician was Omega's (and I guess every clone's) clone sister was "Her name is definitely 'Alpha'!". If this turns out to be false, I will pout.
What gets me the most about Sid's betrayal, I was almost 100% certain she was gonna lay down her life so the batch could escape the empire, made what she did sting even more for me.
I don't know if it's just lingering sadness from the last episode or what, but I am not optimistic. I think we're right back to square one with Crosshair. They dialed his brain up to 10/10 for the Empire. I think the clones will stage an uprising, though I don't know where: I don't assume Tantiss. 😭And I think we're going to say goodbye to a lot of clones. That last domino is going to fall.
Its interesting that they only show him, not the rest of Delta Squad, despite we knowing that all member exist. I doubt that they will appear but hopefully we will get information in some way what happened with them.
A fair amount of the pre-established characters in this series aren’t either, they could just be swapped out with anyone that fills the same niche. Shand and Bane could’ve been any bounty hunters, Chuchi could’ve easily been any friendly senator, Cody’s role this season could’ve been supplied by any other high ranking clone since like Mayday he’s just there to nudge Crosshair in the right direction and then leave the plot. I’m not asking for Delta to hijack the story. I’m just saying since they’re deliberately using Scorch when his role could be taken any commando, why not just throw in the other three?
Phee in anger, hurt, sorrow, and love is going to go get her man from wherever he is. Either dead or alive she will bring Tech back to Pabu where he will either be laid to rest or Phee will nurse whats left of him back to health.
Q&A: Could Bo Katan look for help from Sabine again to defeat Gideon's troopers? Considering she and Ahsoka will be trying to defeat imperials as well and she has past experience targeting beskar, she may think of a way to target just Gideon's forces.
I think that we have all thought that what happens to the members of Clone Force 99 is emblematic of what is happening to the clones from the Grand Army of the Republic. I think they will be instrumental in the clone uprising and they will all be dead by the end of the series, except perhaps Omega.
I don't think they're gonna fake out Tech's death. I think the only reason we got his goggles is so that they can be passed to Omega, along with an Armor piece from each batch member. I bet by the end of the series Omega will be the last member of Clone Force 99 Standing.
Come to think of it, the armor idea could echo what Alex pointed out about Boba, that telling Bane he has armor represented the support he had gained.
Beyond that, I agree about Tech. Specifically because he sacrificed himself, that's more impactful if he's actually dead.
setting her up for the endgame for whatever going on in mando/ashoka kidda like this
@@joeduker1291 it would be and interesting way to prepare her to a live-action appearance
I also don't think they would've showed his body after he fell down s few kilometers... Like there wouldn't be a lot left of him
I like that.
I'm looking forward to Crosshair and Omega interacting more next season.
Thank you so much for adressing the fact that most people give all the credit for most stuff to dave filoni even when he's not responsible for it. It really frustrates me.
What I liked about the Bad Batch finale is how it mirrors the OG trilogy. The Empire Strikes Back is also a pretty bleak ending for a part 2 of a series which made part 3 victories much more impactful.
Rebels did the same thing too
S1 ended on a low note as well tho, Kamino destroyed and Crosshair still siding with the Empire
Extremely upsetting to lose Tech, but we have to also acknowledge the profound beauty in his heroic sacrifice, like we did with Clone 99. We can’t take that away from Tech by wanting him to still be alive or be turned into evil Tech. That would be tragic.
I love the idea that Scorch has been leaking intel to other clones. He's been awfully quiet during the two seasons for being so decorated with his original clone armor, standing out so much from the other commandos and being around Dr. Hemlock a lot. Also the way the show zoomed in on him during the baby Zillo Beast episode really feels like they're hinting something!
What if Echo's unnamed source is actually Dr. Karr? She'd certainly fit the desciption of a deep cover clone if she actually is a clone
I don't think his contact can be someone working at Mt. Tantis. If they were, the contact could just have told the Batch where the facility was. The contact is probably a clone somewhere around Tarkin's office. Probably someone we don't know, though it would be cool if it was Wolffe.
@@michaelramon2411 IF she is an undercover contact, giving away the highly confidential location of Mt. Tantus could blow her cover.
I think the Empire will have to choose between the death star and Hemlock's ambitious society-altering cloning plans. Maybe the Bad Batch will play a role in their decision to put the resources into the death star instead of all the cloning.
That's an interesting thought for sure!
7:16 I actually think the clone experiments will also include the Dark Trooper Phase 1. In fact I think that Clone X is a Dark Trooper prototype.
Well, the sequel trilogy means they did put resources into the cloning.
I think that when Hemlock was talking about using his Advanced Science Division and shaping society, he was talking about the beginning to the Sith Eternal. They are a *society* utterly loyal to Palpatine, exactly what Hemlock wanted. This is why, in addition to Palpatine's eternal life project, Hemlock was asking for a massive funding.
This Hemlock reminds me strongly of a character of another series. *does their best Palpatine attending a performance of squid lake impression* "Did you ever hear of the anime series Elfen Lied?"
I know this might sound dark but I want to see wrecker deal with not saving tech just seeing him so sad was interesting and I would love to see more and how he’ll deal with it
I feel like everybody would blame themselves.
Wrecker would blame himself because he couldn’t reach Tech.
Hunter will blame himself because he approved the mission.
Echo will blame himself because he introduced the batch to Cid and basically jump started the mission.
Crosshair will blame himself because Tech died trying to save him.
Omega will blame herself because she is a child and of course she’d feel like she could’ve done more, that’s how children can be.
I don’t care how mad people get or how bad it damages the trust in the story telling: if Tech comes back I will be **overjoyed.**
Agreed!
Tech's fall was very reminiscent of Gandalf falling at the end of fellowship of the ring
I thought it was closer to Barbossa from Pirates 5
I thought of Dumbledore, myself.
For the next Q/A
When Kanan tells Ezra why he's hesitant to trust Rex during their first meeting, he explains order 66 and says "Later they said they had chips in their heads that made them do it."
Do you think the "clone uprising" could be as simple as banding together and speaking out against The Empire publicly, while simultaneously revealing the nature of the chips, as well as their lack of of choice in that matter? This could also serve as a sort of galactic apology for what happened to the Jedi.
OR do you think Kanan's line is more like a rumor he heard.
I imagine them hijacking some sort if signal and broadcasting a message across the galaxy- something that could be covered up or altered by The Empire in order to lessen the impact it would have on the public. Alternative facts lol.
Q&A: What would you think if the Bad Batch did a Halo reach thing, where each of the main characters dies in someway? Like at the end Hunter dies saving Crosshair. And Crosshair then gets hit ultimate redemption saving Omega. Especially after all he did in the first season. It also would help explain why the batch hasn’t appeared later on in canon.
Good point, I like that idea!
Intriguing, but I will need a therapist for the emotional trauma. This whole show got way more tragic than I expected it to be, so I wouldn't rule it out they would turn up to the drama to the max.
I think tech is gone... but I also think theres a possibility that hemlock could've extracted some of his DNA if they really did find the body. And then he will probably recreate him or something. That's the only real way I can think of that doesn't feel cheap to me.
Tech is a clone of jango. That doesnt make any sense. he doesnt need tech. He has omega. tech was modified, which is why they dont clone the other modified clones
I was thinking something along the lines of cybernetic reanimation. Like they remodel him into a close combat bruiser & redesignate him CT###-### Durasteel or just DT01 and implant a new inhibitor chip. The season premier could see Omega somehow "reawaken" his Tech personality. Whereupon they attempt an Elfen Lied esque escape. Hit on the helmet (via an inhibitor chip damaging sniper shot) on the way out. The episode ending can be left ambiguous as to whether he escaped as Tech the person or Durasteel the weapon.
They're not going to clone clones. That's just stupid.
This occurred to me as well.
Thanks for keeping the Bad Batch conversation going! Still NOT over Tech. (I’m on the denial train too, Mollie!) Hope you’re enjoying London and l’m looking forward to SW Celebration news! 😊❤
Could Wolffe be one of the clones that are still undercover as part of the Empire? After all, by the time of Rebels, while he did have his chip removed, he is still apparently supposed to make check-ins with the Empire. So at the very least he is not branded as a rogue clone or as a traitor.
Definitely right on the money 19:45 Rey's dad Dathan was definitely a good person despite being cloned from the absolute worst being in the galaxy
I think Tech will play a future role - his goggles are just to scare the rest of the Batch, but he will maybe not appear in the first episodes. Either he may be in Mt Tantis and there will be a half bad batch in the location there (Omega, Xhair and Tech) and the other half outside (Wrecker, Echo, Hunter) who both work basically to reunite. Or he is going solitary and comes to the rescue at some unlikely moment.
In the last episode of season one, Tech summed up Crosshair's personality perfectly. Tech said that just because he understands Crosshair doesnt mean he agrees with him.
Tech sort of did the same with Saw's actions.
I think Season 3 will be the last, partially because the way this season ended reminds me of Empire Strikes Back: the good guys don't win and they have to go rescue one of their own (Han/Omega and possibly Crosshair) in the next installment. Plus the reveal of the secret family relation (Vader/Emerie), and getting sold out by a close contact (Lando/Cid). So having Bad Batch be a trilogy of seasons would almost seem to "rhyme", as George Lucas would say.
Honestly thought Echo’s contact could’ve potentially been Ahsoka already acting as Fulcrum. It would make sense since she specialized in intelligence and stuff like that in the early rebellion.
I both hope that Echo’s contact is Scorch, so that Omega has someone extra looking out for her at Mt. Tantis, and so that Scorch and hopefully all of Delta are good guys. I don’t exactly know how it’ll make sense, but I have faith in them to explain it to me 😅
I just need all of Clan Skirata back in canon.
I want the Null ARC Troopers.
@@LokRevenant amen to that. The Republic Commando series is so good.
I hope not, but it feels like they’re gonna do that.
That would be great! But if Scorch were the one, wouldn’t he also be able to divulge the location of Mt Tantiss?
I feel that what Hemlock was talking about was actually pretty clear, he’s basically describing a heighten sci-fi/fantasy version of essentially eugenics.
I think Echo's contact is either Bail Organa or Ahsoka Tano.
Why would either of them have that info? The meeting was specifically about hiding things from the senate and fulcrum wouldn't have top level inside empire sources- probably.
Echo said they had a contact within the Empire. I’m thinking it might be Wolffe
@@Dachshund-br8pj, okay, good point with Ahsoka. Think it's Organa then.
Ashoka isn't fighting with the rebellion yet she's in hiding.
@@Lahzing We don't have a clear picture of either how long she was in hiding or how long after Empire Day Bad Batch is by the end of season 2. There's enough wiggle room there that if the writers have a convincing enough idea they could make it work.
now that you said it i do hope Scorch is actually a mole, because in legends defection rates for commandos were higher, and it'd be interesting if we got to see some of that, like maybe the rest of delta squad dipped but scorch decided to remain undercover, as that's sorta what Commandos are good at
I can’t confirm this, but I have *heard* that the voice actor for Tech is signed on for Season 3! 🤞🤞
I've heard that too! 😆
I hope! He does the voices of ALL clones! 🤦♂🤦♂ Are you stupid or what?
@@ballroomscott I hope! He does the voices of ALL clones! 🤦♂🤦♂ Are you stupid or what?
It's the same voice actor for all of the clones. I'm guessing you must be new to Star Wars?
@@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon How dense are you?
“There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.”
"Go through his clothes and look for loose change."
We need myracle max!
I expected Cid to betray the BB team but not the gut bunch followed up by two broken legs of Echo's fate but I believe him to still be alive. I envision that he was able to fire his jetpack on the way down and landed safely only to be captured by Hemlock. I honestly think that if next season is the final one that the team is reunited only to all end up sacrificing themselves to ensure that Omega survives which leaves Cody, Rex and Gregor along with the other remaining clones escaping to safety. I can see the Dr playing a major role in getting them all out even though Hemlock will probably have some level of success in his cloning experiments. I feel that the final season will have similar feels to the ending of Rogue One
Great video! I hope we see more members of Delta Squad next season 3. Also hoping that Scorch is the clone contact!
I have to disagree with the thoughts that the Empire would not have been affected by the bombing if successful. 10:30
Who is there?
Tarkin - Replaceable
Coburn - Replaceable
Romodi - Replaceable
Krennic - ??? Death Star ???
Hemlock - ??? Somehow Palpatine has returned ???
Yeah, you might as well say the Rebel attack at Endor was pointless, as Palpatine would be replaced. Tech's logic was very flawed, and I would have preferred it if the Batch had just said that saving the Prisoners was indeed worth protecting Hemlock for now
The death star was in production before the empire was formed. Killing Krennic would mean someone else would take over. It's why Tarkin took over it when he died.
A few select episodes of season 2 are going to be my next go-tos when someone wants to tell me that Star Wars animation is for babies
Q&A: it’s heavily rumoured and speculated that jaycen syndula will be in Ahsoka my question is will he be force sensitive?
Yesssssssss! And yes!!!!
I always had the feeling that Pabu was just the calm before the storm. And what a storm that was!
I get the want for a Cid redemption, but unless she straight up tells Hunter where the clone containment center is (Tantis) - i'd only want to see her again if she's killed. An absolute snake in plain sight.
Tech is dead. "They didn't show a body" isn't an argument because this is a kids show and a fall from that height would turn him into a bloody pulp. The only people who have survived getting cut in half or falling great heights are sith who use their rage and the dark side to stay alive. Tech died the same way as Saw Gerrera's sister
We all thought Echo died in that explosion on the citadel so unless we see the body, I’m not giving up on Tech being dead just yet.
Q&A: In the Mandalorian, Bo Katan made a deal with Moff Gideon to save the rest of the planet, but he went back on his word. Could The Armorer have made her own deal with him? She would help him forge the stolen Beskar, in exchange for preserving her people and getting rid of the "apostates" on Mandalore.
I felt much more sad (even cried and cry everytime) when Kanan sacrificed himself than when Tech did it! We took more time to know Kanan and see him evolve and change and was also part of my adolescence, so I grew up with him.
I think the under cover clone is Commander Wolffe. Scorch has tried to kill the bad batch and shot Gregor in season 1 (unless he’s turned after). It’s clear the standard infantry clones are being phased out but it’s more likely the empire would hold onto the “important clones” such as commandos, ARCs and officers.
Bad Batch has been THE Star Wars property to hook my 5 year old son. We loved watching the Q&A this week. Thank you
Mount Tantiss is perhaps the most top secret location in the Empire behind Project Stardust, aka The Death Star.
I would expect any assault by clones on Mount Tantiss to turn into a suicide mission without any clone survivors.
Now this brings up the question of the Observatories that were set up on Outer Rim and even more distant worlds.
I wonder if the clone contact is Wolffe. I know he ends up with Rex and Gregor in Rebels, but he first attacks the Rebels thinking they were there for revenge for the Jedi, and he tips the empire off to them being there, so he would make sense for someone in deep cover with the empire
“See more familiar faces” when talking about seeing more clone characters.
NO BODY - NO DEATH
Well his body was probably pulverized sooooo
@@Solo13508 They have his body lying next to crosshairs
Both Echo & Gregor survived explosions. So I wouldn’t be surprised if Echo survived that fall. Albeit he’s gonna need a long time to heal & maybe some some cybernetics. Also we only saw his googles not his body. So finding his body would confirm his survival or him being put in a coffin.
The contact may be wollfie because he joined the clones and in rebels he is able to contact the empire without a record and be somewhat respected be Rex gets an offer for his recors to be cleared
So tech is Archer, lol... (all the fall jokes in that show)
I would say Tarkin's death would have been the only one to really impact things, along with Galen Erso, the Tarkin doctrine was pretty crucial in how the empire was shaped in the Star Wars universe
I really think they’re setting up the bad batch to turn into gen 1 death troopers or at least get to the dark sciences behind the development. I think that’s why they are using commandos because they’re designed to be able to execute high risk targets if anything were to go wrong, using crosshair to develop their shooting skills and tech mind to actually develop it. May be out of nowhere but is a story gap we are missing.
I envision there will be some episodes where they gather Clones together, prior to assault/siege of Mt Tantis. I think this sets up a time for a Cody and Rex reunion. I think Cody will have a ton of guilt for the Jedi Purge, the destruction of Camino and in effect Clones themselves, as will many of the other Clones, and Rex will have to help them through that. That also sets up Cody to sacrifice himself for Omega and crew, during the assault, he cant fix the past but he can try to change the future for his Brothers (and sisters).
i desperately need to write down all my thoughts somewhere, and i figured here is as good as anywhere
characters in star wars have survived worse falls than tech. even in the same show, hunter falls from a comparable height on daro and literally walks it off. when hemlock throws tech's goggles over to hunter you can see in the episode that the goggles were broken. tech strikes me as the kind of person who would disregard any broken gear, so he would probably leave behind a pair of goggles with broken lenses if making an escape. additionally, hemlock doesn't need anything more than those goggles to convince the batch that tech's dead, which would break them emotionally and make them less effective against the empire. ive also seen some people worry about tech's death feeling weak if he returns, i would fix that by making tech suffer permanent damage from the fall, and i was thinking tech losing his memory works perfectly. tech has gotten a lot of character development, as people have noted, so to see all that gone and replaced by the clean slate he was in the clone wars would be an adequate cost to have him back.
if the batch gets trapped in another dire situation mid/late season 3 and a mysterious person in a cloak rescues them, i wouldn't be surprised if it was tech. then again, this entire ending was a massive fast one performed by the writing team, they would probably introduce a character like that only to reveal some random new guy
This is how I handled the five stages of grief about Tech. Denial: Saying what Mollie is saying. Anger: Getting mad at Saw, Cid, and Dave Filoni. Bargaining: Begging Disney to change the episode so that Echo dies instead of Tech. Depression: Do I need to explain? Acceptance: Planning his funeral.
I think a clone assault on Tantis sounds perfect, as we get the clone uprising but no matter the outcome the Empire will keep it secret as its already a secret base, which explains why we haven't heard about it in-universe
Q&A: Do you think Crosshair will rejoin the Batch at some point?
Tech's death is for me the biggest shock of Star Wars animated shows since Tamara Ryvora joined the Empire in Star Wars Resistance.
I think tech survived the fall and I have a couple of theories one being tech who is a genius repurposing his grapple line and attaching it to the poles that are holding up the train line leaving him stranded on the planet. The other is Saw’s ship could have seen the events on the train lines as they were flying away and went to rescue tech by either tech landing on top of the ship or Saw throwing him a line to pull him up into the ship.
14:48 that’s exactly right. Cid quite perfectly looked out for herself and no one else.
I loved tech so much when this episode came out I was yelling and crying at the tv in denial 😢 I hope he somehow survived that fall.
He's at a cloning facility. Can you clone a clone?? 🤔🤔
You can't clone a mind.
Tech will be the first dark trooper, I'm calling it now
That would be cool and devastating
24:02 that ships actually a Meson Martinet! A ship made early into the life of star wars
From what I’m hearing Season 2 got really good. Dropped this show early season 1 so might have to pick it up again
I'm still undecided whether I like the finale surprises, or miss that we didnt get the Mt Tantis rescue mission. I think it was probably for the best to break the mold. Hoping S3 can be as good as some of S2's best eps - the 2 Crosshair ones and the mid season ones
The operative working undercover has got to be Wolffe, he’s the only of the three clones from rebels not shown yet, and the imperial guy at the summit that spoke up for the clones worked with wolffe in the clone wars, I think that’s got to be the most obvious answer
"You can't kill me, I'm a bad batch"-Tech, if he comes back in S3
13:07 I think acid’s comeuppance will be that the Empire puts a garrison on Ord Mantel and puts her criminal enterprises out of business for good.
Q&A: What happens to the shock troopers in the imperial era? This is the first time I remember seeing one in the imperial era.
They have to, Have To, HAVE TO have Tech be dead. They can't keep pulling the fake death thing and expect it to just be okay with audiences. Yes, as a character, we want him to be alive. But from a storytelling angle, that's a well they can't keep dipping into. They did it with Maul, they did it with Echo, they did it with Palpatine (some are done better than others), and when you get into Force ghosts and the likes, they brought Obi-Wan back, they brought Yoda back, they brought Han back. It's just too much to keep doing the same thing again and again, and it makes death meaningless and audiences will stop caring if they're in any danger because they know death won't last.
Hemlock and Marchion being soft-spoken, vague villains >>>>
Even if Tech is alive, which would cheapen his sacrifice, Hemlock would not have him.
"Tarkin wants you for questioning."
Hemlock isn't going to disobey an order from Tarkin, especially now that he's got Omega to control Nala Se.
We have grown to love the clones so much we forgot that even the lucky ones are doomed to die an early death struggling soon with the effects of old age. I love Tech, but I feel that his death is a reminder into reality of their lives. They didn't have a childhood, all they have known is violence and a government that saw them as equipment at best and experiment scrap at worst. By some miracle they might get a couple happy years...but judging by the reality shown in Andor and (to a smaller extent) this show....that just won't happen. It killed me to see Tech die, but it also shook me out of my 'they can actually live happily ever after' lie we've been believing and hoping for.
Without tarkin and krennic , I'm thinking no tarkin doctrine, no project stardust, and thrawn and his tie defenders are at the forefront.
Still reeling from Tech’s fall…still hoping the Batch does manage to get some level of revenge, “John Wick” style. And still hoping we don’t have to wait too long for the Batch to get their vengeance.
Hemlock is obviously an alumni of the Jake The Snake Roberts School of Villainy
I think that the contact is Wolf from the wolf pack because we know he is with Rex in rebels but we did not see him so far.
I cannot imagine they really write Tech out of the show. It would not really fit Star Wars. They developed his character and showed him changing towards something new but did not fulfil that quest. He for example still left Phee without really saying goodbye or smiling or anything hinting towards his development. So his development line was broken and this is not what Star Wars does - if we see a development in someone, we usually are shown where it leads to and just before their death there is a resolution on that theme. Techs possible death would basically "just" be how Tech originally was. He would not have decided or acted any other way if it was season 1 Tech - acting out of logic and probability. This would be atypical for Star Wars as such a death would also show a culmination of a personal change someone experienced. This is basically always happenng to the main characters or villains in Star Wars.
Hemlock = Eugenics
What do you mean?
Sorry but, have you NOT been paying attention? This finale was pure Filoni. Don't you remember when he "killed" Ahsoka in Rebels, there was outcry, there was uncontrolled weeping. This is just exactly the kind of thing that Dave Filoni does. It was all there for us to see. All the character development between Tech and Omega, the crass out of place comments by the character Phee? I don't think he's dead, I think Hemlock is just playing the Bad Batch. Just like Echo wasn't dead and didn't really leave the bad batch. This is pure Filoni - by the way, isn't it great how that rhymes with "Baloney"?
I can't imagine a scenario where they bring back Tech and it doesn't feel cheap. I feel like they would have an uphill battle justifying that. It sucks that he died but that's what makes it a compelling story, to undue that could ruin the emotion of that moment. And I don't see how turning him into a death trooper robot wouldn't feel like a retread of Crosshair.
Q:A: When we know, that Therm Scissorpunch was active during the High Republic, what exactly did he do during the the Prequel-era or what was his reaction to Order 66 and the rise of the Galactic Empire?
Tech underestimates how good Tarkin is at being evil.
Q&A: What 5 predictions do you think we'll see in The Bad Batch Season 3 since The Bad Batch Season 2 is over and it left a cliffhanger of Omega got captured by the Empire? (My five predictions I think we'll might see are: 1. We might possibly going to see more female clones appeared since Omega is no longer the only female clone. 2. We learned the truth about Jango Fett wanted clone children than the three we know of. 3. I think we'll might see Darth Vader and the rest of the Inquisitors are going to be wiping alot of clones during at the massive Clone Rebellion and this might going to give Wolffe PTSDs when he got it in Star Wars Rebels. 4. Since The Bad Batch no longer works for Cid, they might going to get help from someone else. 5. Crosshair hears the sad news and reacts of Tech got killed during in the Season 2 finale.)
Crosshair is going to get his mind wiped.
1:22 makes me think of David Mitchell shouting "DO NOT THINK ABOUT THE EVENT! IT WILL CAUSE DISTRESS!"
It's Star Wars, nobody is ever truly dead!!
10:42 killing Tarkin off might have meant the end of The Tarkin Doctrine, and maybe they would have invested more in smaller ships and a more
numerous fleet to be more nimble fleet which may have been better suited to fighting the insurgents.
Mass adoption of the Thrawn Doctrine might have led to an Imperial victory so not killing Tarkin is likely a good thing.
My first call-out in a Star Wars Explained video... Achievement Unlocked! 🤩
Why did they go back to Cid anyway? Why not back to their new home for help? As soon as they said they were going to cid, I knew she would betray them
The whole ‘form society around cloning’ thing reminds me of the super messed up plot of Xenoblade Chronicles 3
The first thought I had when they revealed that the clone technician was Omega's (and I guess every clone's) clone sister was "Her name is definitely 'Alpha'!". If this turns out to be false, I will pout.
What gets me the most about Sid's betrayal, I was almost 100% certain she was gonna lay down her life so the batch could escape the empire, made what she did sting even more for me.
I don't know if it's just lingering sadness from the last episode or what, but I am not optimistic. I think we're right back to square one with Crosshair. They dialed his brain up to 10/10 for the Empire. I think the clones will stage an uprising, though I don't know where: I don't assume Tantiss. 😭And I think we're going to say goodbye to a lot of clones. That last domino is going to fall.
"No one's ever really gone"
"You can't clone a jedi" Rahm Kota
As far as Cid, the worst thing you can be in the underworld is a snitch. Everyone will turn their backs on her and that will drive a redemption arc.
I don’t think he is dead, everybody thinks crosshairs will be the first dark trooper….but what if it’s tech instead
Since Scorch has popped up sporadically this season, do you think we’ll get to see the rest of Delta squad soon?
Its interesting that they only show him, not the rest of Delta Squad, despite we knowing that all member exist. I doubt that they will appear but hopefully we will get information in some way what happened with them.
A fair amount of the pre-established characters in this series aren’t either, they could just be swapped out with anyone that fills the same niche. Shand and Bane could’ve been any bounty hunters, Chuchi could’ve easily been any friendly senator, Cody’s role this season could’ve been supplied by any other high ranking clone since like Mayday he’s just there to nudge Crosshair in the right direction and then leave the plot. I’m not asking for Delta to hijack the story. I’m just saying since they’re deliberately using Scorch when his role could be taken any commando, why not just throw in the other three?
Phee in anger, hurt, sorrow, and love is going to go get her man from wherever he is. Either dead or alive she will bring Tech back to Pabu where he will either be laid to rest or Phee will nurse whats left of him back to health.
Q&A: Could Bo Katan look for help from Sabine again to defeat Gideon's troopers? Considering she and Ahsoka will be trying to defeat imperials as well and she has past experience targeting beskar, she may think of a way to target just Gideon's forces.
I think that we have all thought that what happens to the members of Clone Force 99 is emblematic of what is happening to the clones from the Grand Army of the Republic. I think they will be instrumental in the clone uprising and they will all be dead by the end of the series, except perhaps Omega.