Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) Retrospective / Review
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Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) Retrospective / Review
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Oliver Harper already own it. However, I found something out that I don’t think even you were aware of. After Gene Roddenberry was given a private screening of that rough cut, it is true that he didn’t like the military-esqe parts of the plot. But when he saw the final moments of the film, including the shot of the Enterprise flying into the sunset, he felt that was the right way to give the original crew a proper send off.
Unfortunately, just two days later, on October 24, 1991, Gene Roddenberry died of a massive heart attack at age 70. Both this film and the Next Generation episode, “Unification” were dedicated to him. The entire “Trek Nation” mourned his passing. Bill Shatner said, “when Gene died, the ‘Star Trek’ we all knew died with him that day.”
I love the whole franchise & wish they'd put every director's cut on bluray.
@@PaulSharpequalrights The JJ Abrams films and Discovery season 1 are horrible.
I love this film I saw it on VHS a few years ago. yes I own a VHS player
One thing you missed Oliver... During the court scene Gen. Chang's outburst- "don't wait for the translation, answer me now!" is a direct quote of Ambassador Adlai Stevenson talking to Soviet Ambassador Zorin at the U.N. during the Cuban Missile Crisis. It's another Cold War reference, not Christopher Plummer being Hammy. Other than that... great review as always! :)
Wow. I never knew that. Cool! Thanks for the info!
Additionally Kris, when Kirk and McCoy arrive on the prison planet, the "warden" paraphrases the speech made by the camp commander in Bridge on the River Kwai.
Another cool thing is the reference to Rura Penthe, the penal colony from which Captain Nemo escaped.
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@@edgesdragon888 And being in a cold frozen place with nowhere to go in case of escape is what the Siberian Gulags were about... no reason to escape other than dying frozen...
That “Let’s them Die!” was the best one liner in the series. So emotional and filled with hate. Perfect delivery.
"It's lazy casting, using the same actor for different roles in the same series"
Jeffrey Combs: **Sweats nervously**
HAHAHA! Yeah well...he re-animates every character.
and soon to be Dr Boyce in the Pike series lol
@@bozotheclown169 Don't do that. Don't give me hope.
How about Vaughn Armstrong?
Chris Evans: *gulp*
I am an Air Force Brat. I lived in Germany from 1988-92. I saw the Berlin Wall come down and the Soviet Union fall while I lived there. I saw the ripple effects on the Armed Forces as the need to as big a military wasn't there anymore. Everything Star Trek VI conveyed I could relate to because of experiencing seeing it almost first hand. That's why The Undiscovered Country is my favorite of all the TOS crewed movies.
From my understanding Christian Slater is actually a big Trek fan and really wanted to be in the film. Though all the director could do was give him a cameo, which he jumped at. He even said that he'd work for free.
What was his cameo charcter?
He was the young man who wakes up Captain Sulu. His face is in shadow, so you can't see him, but his voice is clear.
Susuan Cartwrite You can cleary see him.
His mom was the casting director. She got him in :)
As a fan, I think we would all jump at that chance!
This was a great send-off, which us fans were lucky to get following the bomb of #5. Christian Slater is a huge fanboy and was lucky to have his mother being a casting director. Check the credits for Mary Jo Slater! This one has all the trademarks that made Trek. I was happy to see it at the theater when it came out, and that it was good. Thanks Oliver
This was a great send off. I'm glad the last appearance of Captain Kirk was in a good movie like this.
I like V. 🤔
@@Strideo1 Except that Shatner could not just let go of it, whether for financial or emotional reasons (he might have made #6 far more memorable, and #7 somewhat better, by flat-out refusing Rick Berman's ill-conceived proposal).
Saw it in theaters too back in 1991 with my family. We saw it as a double feature with the Adams Family.
always get kick out both micheal dorn & rene auberjonois being in movie.
Star Trek VI' s score was one of my favorite.
Stephen Morris it’s beautiful and Eidelman did a great job. However I wonder how it would’ve been had James Horner actually returned to work with Nicholas Meyer like he did in part II and did the score again.
Yeah, I love this score, and am very surprised to know that Eidelman didn't really do much else after this.
This film was the true bridge between the original cast and the Next Generation crew. The main difference between The Next Generation Era and the era of 1701A (and 1701) is their relationship with the Klingons. The Federation-Klingon story arc which began in "Errand of Mercy" came full circle in this film, with the prediction made by the Organians coming true, that Humans and Klingons would become fast friends, an idea Kirk's generation rejected when they first heard it. By the end of this film, it was becoming a reality, and it was a nice nod to Worf's backstory that Khitomer became the summit of the peace treaty. It makes sense that the Romulans destroyed the Klingon outpost there decades later, perhaps because it was a reminder to them of their failure to subvert the peace between the Klingons and the Federation. Ironically, their attack leads to Worf's adoption by humans, and Worf becomes one of the most significant figures in Klingon history, saving the Empire's relationship with the Federation on multiple occasions (but that is another story). The Undiscovered Country ends with an optimism which The Next Generation is able to step into, picking up where the original cast leaves off.
We also learn in TNG that what truly cemented the relationship between the UFP and the Klingon Empire was the Enterprise-C's brave attempt to stop the Romulan sneak attack at Narendra III. If that event had not happened, we know that relations would eventually sour again and by the 2360s a war had broken out between them. The Klingons finally accepted that the UFP's Captains could be as fearless as they were in the face of impossible odds.
Why didn't the Next Generation cast get a sendoff movie like this? Why?
@@KRSsven And a FEMALE UFP Captain, no less! I guarantee you, Capt. Rachel Garrett and the crew of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C are the only humans to have attained the Klingon Empire's highest honor...which is to be counted amongst the Empire's Honored Dead...
A most prestigious honor indeed, considering how highly the Klingons value battle...those who die in battle for the Klingons are revered for all time. I have no doubt that in the Star Trek universe of the 24th century, klingon children are told of the story of Narendra III and of the brave Federation crew of the Enterprise C who fought alongside the Empire to defend the colony from the Romulans and died in their efforts, fighting until the bitter end when their ship was destroyed...
Believe me...if that noble sacrifice didn't result in that ship and crew becoming regarded as Honored Dead amongst the Klingons, there is something wrong indeed...😁
Michael Dorn also got a bit part in Star Trek VI. During the court scene he played Worf's grand-father who was defending Kirk & McCoy.
What an astonishingly wonderful comment. Loved it!
From my experience, Trekkie= Original series. Trekker= Next Gen. Although there was a next gen convention where Roddenberry said trekkie and some fans tried to correct him and his reply was, "No, it's trekkie. I should know, I invented the damn thing" so make of that what you will
I'd dare to think trekkie rolls off the tongue better than trekker but in the end, is it really that big of a deal?
fun fact- Christopher Plummer came back in acting as General Chang in a video game called, Star Trek: Klingon Academy
you can check it out if you can :)
Rogelio Vela "Roger" Yeah, that game is sort of a prequel to Star Trek VI.
@@L1701 It is in that story that he loses his eyew hile defeating in close combat a Klingon rebel that wanted to take power.
...and unlike some actors who look bored in 90s interactive media, Christopher Plummer really went for it.
LOVE that game!
An underrated classic that game, which got torpedoed in sales by Interplay pushing it poorly and then cutting most customer support for it.
The story was a great one though; which established Chang's motivations and philosophy really well, alongwith that of the Klingon warrior's path.
Certainly would welcome a remaster of the game for Windows 7 or up :D .
THIS IS MY COCAINE. ok that may be a slight exaggeration but these videos are some of the best put together I have seen online. Its nice to hear someone who does some analysis into his approval or disapproval instead of a five minute snippet like most of the "movie" reviewers I have seen
hahaha cheers man. Thank you very much for your comments and Im glad you're enjoying my vids. Have a good weekend.
Best Analysis and tidbits ever.
Watching these videos on Cocaine now thats a Blast.
Okay, getting goosebumps like a NERD. Thanks for posting a review on my favorite Trek of all time!
My favourite movie with the original cast and the opening credit music reminiscent of Holst Mars suite (the bringer of war)sets the tone brilliantly...awesome.I still cry as the autographs appear at the end. Great send off for the crew.
+ Ginger Ggafot haha they certainly did not take up a large chunk of this review, its barely 2mins if that. I have not included them for a long time and its a not a regular thing, they were only included to add continuity to my last Star Trek review. It offers a contemporary review of what they thought at the time and many people did care what they thought when they were on TV and many still like their opinions. Remember these are retrospectives. I value everyone's feedback but also respect my editorial choices.
Nothing wrong with Siskel and Ebert included. Those guys got me interested in movies as an art form all those years ago.
love the reviews but I fast forwarded though the Siskel and Ebert parts, don't care much for those parts
I like those parts, the parts I fast forward are the games part cuz I'm not gamer, but I agree the reviews in general are excellent and give a lot of data we didnt know
+Oliver Harper You forgot one thing: The Excelsior,the newest and best battleship, being used to catalog gaseous anomalies? Any scout ship could do that. It sounds like that was a fitted afterthought.
+Clark Liberty I don't think they ever made a battleship until DS9.
I think this was my favorite TOS movie.Wrath of Khan is better, but as a Star Trek fan, I think VI was a fitting conclusion for TOS.
It was somewhat allegorical (touching on the fall of the wall and "glasnost", and what peace might mean between cold warriors), it had good action sequences/suspense, and it still retained the essence of who the characters were. It was Trek through and through.
It's a pity TNG never had a film that "concluded" things satisfactorily like Star Trek VI did for TOS.
Christian Slater's cameo was at his request. His mom was the casting director for the film and he's a Star Trek fan. He asked if he could play a small part.
Still, somewhat find it cool that both the stars of Heathers (Slater in VI and Ryder in XI (and yes they're all connected in the same universe through Spock Prime & Nero using future technology that allowed him to travel back in time and destroy George Kirk, Amanda Grayson and more importantly Vulcan) made their way into the Trek universe.
@@GeneralBulldog54 NO! The Trek story in the "JJTrek" is in an alternate version. This is not a negative reflection on Winona, though.
Great video. Just a note: When Kirk says "Kirk, Enterprise" to the Federation President, it's because the President is blind. Kirk was just identifying himself. It's a minor detail that was explained in dialogue that was cut, but you can still see hints of it in scenes featuring the character.
Kirk, is Acknowledging His Ship and His Command Status
Where did you get that ? At one point, he puts on glasses.
@@ricardocantoral7672 If you take a look on Memory Alpha (a Star Trek wiki) there's a note about it there, IIRC.
Star Trek 2-6 form a nice story arc regarding Kirk and Klingons, Kirk's son, Genesis, Spock etc and the general evolution of the Galaxy and the careers of the characters. It would have been even better had Kirstie Alley played Savvik the whole time (and if Savvik were the traitor in #6 as originally planned). Each film has it's own self contained story but carries over elements from earlier films. Despite flaws, those 5 films really comprise the meat of the Trek movies.
Great
Agree, I've basically said what you said in other comments. In fact the only star trek I dont watch is 1
I really like the character of Saavik and I think Kirstie Alley did a great job with the role. Not sure how I would have felt about her character becoming a traitor. Probably wouldn't have cared for it, honestly.
@@colinmontgomery1956 I think with a little tweaking of motive you could buy Kirstie's version selling out for "principles" BUT only if she had kept playing the role throughout the series.
@@micksplace , you're right.
"In space, all warriors are *cold* warriors."
Oliver, I really enjoy how you cover the score and soundtracks in your reviews. :)
By far my favourite Star Trek film, very high on my absolute list of top films, and certainly my absolute favourite film score. I can't believe Cliff Eidelman didn't get more big films to do after this. Thanks for giving it your inimitable treatment! :)
Yeah the composer didn't really go on to do more big budget mainstream movies, a bit of a shame really. Cheers for your feedback.
This is why I'm a 50/50 fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars, Star Trek has always had better and more interesting characters and developments, while Star Wars had better action and effects. I am more of a Star Trek fan, but I can the good and bad in both franchises. Great job Oliver and can't wait to hear your thoughts on Generations
"Star Trek has always had better and more interesting characters and developments, while Star Wars had better action and effects"
PERFECTLY stated...and exactly why I lean more towards Star Trek than Star Wars (I prefer character and plot to effects)...well said..;)
I've never really understood the comparisons they're barely even the same genre. Star Trek is traditional sci-fi whereas Star Wars is a space opera fantasy.
Trek is for more intellectually inclined people who prefer substance over fluff whereas Wars is more for ppl who are emotionally inclined and prefer fluff over substance. Story and plot vs action and pretty visuals.
That is why Star Trek stood the test of time and Star Wars didn’t
+Nope Nope That may be because Roddenberry wasn't all about "fixing" everything all the time, unlike Lucas.
I didn't know that Shatner was Plummer's understudy way back in Canada. Found out by watching 'The Captains' doc..
Fun piece of trivia for you all. When Scotty is helping search the Enterprise A for evidence to clear Kirk and McCoy one of the scanners used a crewmember is the Giga Meter prop from Ghostbusters II (1989) with the microphones (used to form the antenna on the top) removed.
Sad but wonderful ending to the movie!
I know it’s bittersweet, but the final shot was the best way to conclude the original voyages.
The special effects did make us go "wow".... back in 91 !!!
Nice review and I liked how you conveyed the film's tone as well as why it's so well done.
Some notes. Christian Slater was cast because he was a big Trekkie who was related to the casting director.
Nichelle Nichols as well as Brock Peters (who later played Sisko's dad) also took issue with Meyer's choice of lines like "Guess who's coming to dinner" (later given to Chekov) and with calling Klingon "space trash".
PERFECT review, loved it.
This is also my second favorite ST film, right after Wrath of Khan...was pleased to see you thought the same, actually...
Keep up the fantastic reviews, I will definitely keep watching...
You should check out SF Debris. He is the best star trek reviewer by far. No one compares to him.
Random stuff on some of the actors involved:
-David Warner was also Sark, Dillinger, and the Master Control Program in Tron (aka all three major antagonists), and was Lovejoy, the main antagonist's second-in-command, in Titanic. Another British actor who plays bad guys often. He also doubled as both the hero's mentor and the villain in "Quest of the Delta Knights", a low-budget fantasy film featured on Mystery Science Theater 3000.
-Christopher Plummer is the father of Amanda Plummer who was one of the two guys causing havoc in the store at the beginning and ending of Pulp Fiction.
-The actor mentioned who has different roles in the James Bond franchise was, coincidentally, Mitchell in Mitchell (again best known for being on MST3K).
+LinkMarioSamus David Warner also played the role of Gul Madred - the Cardassian who interrogated Picard - in the Star Trek TNG episode "chain of Command". I'm pretty sure he was in Star Trek V The Final Frontier too.
Some more of David Warner's credits:
- A 1-episode character on Babylon 5, Aldous Gajic, a solidly good guy who is searching for the Holy Grail.
- Captain James Sawyer of the H.M.S. Renown in the Horatio Hornblower TV series, a once-brave and legendary leader now contending with disease, insanity, and drug addiction.
@@sjnm4944Yes he was, he was Talbot Saint John the Federation Ambassador to Nimbus III. His role in the Next Generation episode "Chain Of Command" is one of my favorites. He was a great bad guy, and really knew how to push Captain Picard's buttons. I also remember him for his role in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of The Ooze (1991) as Professor Jordan Perry.
Just a reminder, Mark Lenard played 3 different aliens in Star Trek: Vulcan (Spock's father, Sarek), Romulan (the commander in “Balance of Terror”) & Klingon (in the 1st scene of “The Motion Picture”).
The Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country are really great Star Trek films. It's a shame there have never been any other movies based on those great TV shows.
I loved this movie when it was released on DVD and still is one of the best Trek movies to me
Kim Kattrel’s vulcan character was originally supposed to be Savak from Wrath of Khan so that her betrayal would have been even more stinging.
Actually that would make more sense she would have similar motivation as Kirk because she was there, Here I always wondered why this Vulcan hated Klingons
also, that phaser shot fired and missed the President anyway before Kirk pulled him down.
I guess that Colonel West got distracted by all the mayhem Kirk and company caused when transporting downthere.
Kirk, *Enterprise*
I just noticed that
The Chancellor's office in this film is a redress of Ten Forward from the Enterprise D.
Having Goldsmith's theme in this movie would have so been out of place in this Trek entry. The dark and brooding score is perfect for this film and frankly, the closing music is fresher and more uplifting than the tired Goldsmith main theme (remember it was being used on a weekly show at this point) would have been in its place.
I like how even Ebert and Siskel acknowledge the "odd/even" rule for Star Trek movies' quality
Personally I hate that so called "rule" , all the movies however flawed have their redeeming qualities in my eyes anyway. I'm one of the few that love the entire Star Trek Movie series including the newer ones and regularly have marathon watching sessions , love Star Trek 👌
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country in 1991 was the final Star Trek movie that featured the cast from the original series. Star Trek Generations was the first Star Trek movie to feature the cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation. it continues with Star Trek: First Contact in 1996 and Star Trek: Insurrection in 1998 until it ended in 2002 with Star Trek: Nemesis.
This film has the best space battle scene ever.
DoomRulz You want the best Trek battle scenes of all time? Watch the Dominion War arc of Deep Space Nine. "The Sacrifice of Angels" is a definite highlight.
SpiritOfBagheera I'll look for it, thanks.
+SpiritOfBagheera I think we can all agree this is the best movie with the old cast, and that deep space 9 stood apart in quality from the other series for its rich multicast story-line that focused on the villains just as much as the hero's, Gul dukat is the man!
+peppy hare I can agree that DS9 was incredible. But I am *not* a fan of STVI (or STV). For me, it's TOS, TAS, and the First Four flicks. (The saga of the original crew ends with smiles as the NCC-1701-A comes into view.) The fifth and sixth films were just too damn cheesy ... with simplistic plots and little to no originality. I mean, if you're a TNG superfan, I could easily see why you'd like TUC as it's built as a bridge for the two series. Otherwise, bleh.
+SpiritOfBagheera ....I think you're thinking of Generations. Undiscovered Country was the finally for the original cast.
This was the first Star Trek movie I bought on Laserdisc, and it's my favorite :) The into to the movie is just amazing.
Always love the '...he was just about to explain the whole thing!!' I play tabletop RPGs and General Chang's gesture for 'fire' is something we use when we're joking about whether to attack something...
I really enjoyed this video Oliver, great way to amp it up, and make me see it in almost a new light. I just loved the trailer you did for it at the start, it was more thrilling than the those they did for the last two Star Trek movies. Also I always found it funny that Sark and Clarence Boddicker were Klingon's in this movie.
Keep up the great work!
Spot on review. You've summed up my feelings about this movie to a tee.
Oliver, all I can tell you is that I really enjoy your retrospectives. Your deep dives on films have really developed my own critical eye when viewing films. Thank you!
I loved the scene where Uhura struggles with Klingon. First it shows the crew in a plausibly difficult situation. After all they are all more or less average individuals, not super heros. Something newer Sci-Fi movies often lack. Second it's great as a symbol that they are all getting old and it's a new era where you maybe should start to learn Klingon. The scene with Bones is pretty similar. Sure, he might have had lessons on Klingon anatomy some decades ago (or maybe not, during TOS it would have been rather unlikely to have a Klingon patient) but he's in a stressful situation and he's also getting old and probably doesn't actually do much in surgery anymore.
I love this movie!!!!!!!!!!
Even though Gene Roddenberry didn’t like the military aspects of the film, he was pleased with the final sendoff of the original crew. He felt that the last shot in particular was the right way to conclude the original voyages of the starship Enterprise.
Sadly, he died just three days after seeing the rough cut at the age of 70. Both the TNG episode “Unification” and this film were dedicated to him.
If you grew up watching ST, before ENT & maybe even DS9, never in your life would you have doubted the Vulcan as a culprit. Especially if you thought her to be the same Vulcan from ST2.
As a fan of Star Trek since the original series aired, of all the movies THIS is my favorite. Thank you for this piece.
Six is my favorite of all Trek films, with Wrath of Khan following very very close behind it.
This film is even today top notch and a PERFECT Farewell for/to the original Crew. Dieser Film und Star Trek 2 sind die besten Star Trek Filme mit der alten Enterprise Crew.
My rather bold opinion on the
whole Klingon- Federation anti
- peace plot is that it is being
masterminded by the Romulans .
For similar Romulan ventures in this vein just see some arc episodes of the 4th season of TNG, and the first episode of season 5 .
It really makes a good lot of sense .
I'm a TOS fan from the rerun era in the 70's. When this film came out it was a bittersweet event. We were excited to see it, but knew at the time this was the end of an era.
This film was pretty good. I agree it's the second best within the original series set of films. The cinematography is pretty impressive for a Star Trek film and I like a lot of the shots. It's a shame what happened with Meyer and Roddenberry. I didn't know that. I knew he was sick at the time though.
The voyage home is my favorite out of ALL of them including the Abrams movies.
I dearly love this film and find it to be just a hair beneath Wrath of Khan on the Star Trek film series list. The final shot of the crew heading off into the sunset, so to speak, always gets me a little misty eyed. Such a loving, fitting sendoff to a fantastic cast of actors. Thanks for yet another great review, Oliver! We park our cars in the same garage on so many films, mate!
Someone give this man an award for his consistency for all these years it's not easy but it needs to be noticed
I get that some will always prefer some films over others, but VI is quite generally accepted by fans and critics alike as one of the best films with the original cast, if not the whole film canon outright.
11:18 and in From Russia with Love, there is an actor called Walter Gotell who plays a Spectre Agent and then returns in The Spy Who Loved Me as the head of the KGB.
The end title music, especially the signatures of all the actors, get me teary eyed and say good-bye. This Trek entry does have extremely strong music and is my second favorite TOS movie in their six with the original cast. Second of course to The Wrath of Khan.
Oliver, I hope you do more Retrospectives of all the STAR TREK movies.
I will be celebrating ST The Motion Picture this year for its 35th Anniversary.
Oliver Harper
I should do that too since I'm also turning 35. Including many other movies which share my birth year of 1979.
Oliver Harper
What better way to start it and end it than with Jerry Goldsmith's theme? You used it in your other two Trek movie reviews.
Now 4 is the only Star Trek TOS movie missing. When will you do that one?
This movie was supposed to be based on the fall of the Soviet Union. Chancellor Gorgon was supposed to be a play on Gorbachev, the last leader of the Soviet Union.
Thank you for the awesome compilation at the end.
I have goosebumbs all over
The James Bond series was the champion of re-using actors in different roles. The most notorious example to me was having Charles Gray, who played a British agent in "You Only Live Twice," come back as Ernst Stavro Blofeld of all people in "Diamonds Are Forever." I understand they did that actor recycling because the productions became like college reunions, with previous actors coming by just to hang out. So, they'd just use their old friends from the previous films in the current film they were making, too.
It's not just the action pace of the new so-called Star Trek movies that blows chunks, but the weak writing with awful characters and plots, not only rehashed and ripped off from elsewhere, but also just poorly executed. The special effects and rapid pacing with lots of popcorn munching-inducing action do not save the Abrams travesties that dare to call themselves Star Trek.
THIS movie, however, is at least decent. It has a good plot and, of course, a good cast playing good characters. That's something all of these classic Trek movies had, even the relative failures. As ho-hom as Star Trek III was, for instance, it still had Christopher Lloyd playing a Klingon, which to me was something of a saving grace for that film. This one has that awesome Klingon villain who, as you point out here, was very well cast. I don't mind the Chancellor being played by the same actor who appeared as a human in V; he might as well have been in this movie alone, and V might as well have never existed. That movie was almost Abrams-level bad. Not quite, but close.
*****
The Doctrine of Otherness states that all views have merit, of course. I understand.
Abrams Star Trek is Star Trek they aren't as bad as you make them out to be
No, it's Star Wars with a Star Trek skin. And not even good Star Wars!
Christian Slater's appearance in the movie was mainly because he is related to Mary Jo slater, one of the biggest casting directors in Hollywood. He said he was a huge fan and just wanted to be in it for the fun of it.
No reviews of IV and V? :/
+Jeffrey Mead Not yet! they will happen.
+Oliver Harper I love number 4, it's sooooo much fun.
Heh, Star Trek V is a whole mess of work just to imagine reviewing.
Oliver Harper to quote Captain Picard, “Make it so!”
I was looking for them. Should’ve read the comments first.
I've seen the "Let them die!" line featured in several reviews of this movie. It was never featured in the trailers and is a line that Shatner actually objected to.
Holy hell, I hope you read these comments cuz it took forever to be able to sign in including remembering the number i had 15 years ago! Anywho I think you make great reviews that are much more interesting and detailed than most not to mention better quality. I appreciate you using siskel and ebert as well because opinions of movies often change over time and its interesting to hear what they say at the time of release.
Actors playing multiple characters over several series is a Star Trek hallmark. And Christian Slater's cameo was because his mother was the casting director for the film and got him the cameo because he's apparently a HUGE fan of Star Trek. According to IMDB, Slater never cashed the modest paycheck he received for the appearance and instead had it framed.
The score was incredible as was the whole movie. And do I dare say the best Star Trek movie ever made!? Personally if I have a choice I pick this one over Part 2 but my god the end battle in Khan is just epic and makes the choice so so hard between the two.
According to William Shatner's "Star Trek Movie Memories", Konner and Rosenthal had little to do with the writing of VI. It was Nick Meyer and Denny Flynn who did the work after Leonard Nimoy and Nick Meyer had a walk on the beach to come up with the concept for the film. Konner and Rosenthal were foisted on Leonard by the studio, and Leonard met with them despite his misgivings, and it wound up going before the WGA to settle things. Check it out.
I too was more a Star Wars fan but have grown to enjoy the Star Trek films. 2 is my favourite. Followed by 6.
Another fine product, Oliver! Kudos! I am going to mention you in my list of recommended channels in my next video of my series Media Bites, btw.
trivia: I had heard that the vulcan Lt. Valeris was originally supposed to be Lt. Saavik. I wonder if this was what Roddenberry would've objected to. I could totally see that, but I think it would've been a great way to round out her character- Saavik was supposed to be half-Romulan, and given to a martial mindset.
Yeah some other viewers in the comments have brought up Saavik, definitely far more interesting if it was her. Thanks for the forthcoming shout out!. :)
lol! Good info, mate ^_^
This was fantastic Ollie, really put me in the mood to watch the movie again (what better praise for a retrospective!). 6 and 2 are definitely my favourites of the movies. They're just far more polished and work together as a more cohesive, complete piece (can't beat the Stealing the Enterprise scene from Star Trek III though! That score is a masterpiece!). I had no idea about Gene Roddenberry dying so soon after the Meyers argument!! Thanks for sharing Ollie
Yet another film I was fortunate enough to see in the theater when I was a kid with my father and brother. This was so much fun for me it inspired me to look at all of Star Trek. I started watching TNG, and made it a point to watch the previous films and the original show too. Love this flick, and am grateful for it for helping me discover Star Trek, and better know sci-fi in general.
Thanks for covering it Oliver. Love what you do, and eagerly anticipate all the new stuff you offer. Keep up the great work. Big fan!
Shatner gets a lot of stick but he held out until Kelly got a million dollar payday. That allowed him to live his last years in comfort.
It's funny that you highlight Kirk saying "FIRE!" while also mentioning the expanded soundtrack release. As the owner of the original Star Trek VI soundtrack, I was very disappointed that in the track "The Battle for Peace" builds up to that moment but immediately cross dissolves into the next bit of music with the Enterprise and Excelsior firing on the Bird of Prey. Getting into the moment when listening to soundtracks, not having that one second of blank space so I can shout "FIRE!" myself was really aggravating. The expanded soundtrack thankfully rectifies that by not only allowing the piece to finish, but also giving us that much needed moment of silence.
you know what's weird is that I really didn't get into the 60's Star Trek series but I like the Captain Kirk movies. Now for the TNG, I liked the series, but hated the movies
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Same, I grew up watching the Trek movies with Kirk (funnily enough my first Trek movie was The Final Frontier followed by The Undiscovered Country). Even when I was a kid, I always loved the II-VI uniforms.
Really, first contact was amazing and I enjoyed Nemesis.
@@journeyman1218 I'll give u First Contact if you give me The Undiscovered Country.
Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country is a truly great movie.
It's beautiful to me that Gene died when he did. His last public act on Earth was to call up the director of the new Trek and demand a quarter of the scenes be cut. That's just so fitting considering his contentious relationship with the franchise, he really took it all the way to the grave. It's ironic that that the cold war and the Klingon war both ended in a peace that 'Gene vs the studio' war would never see.
I just stumbled upon your videos, well done! This is my favorite Trek movie, I know a lot of people say Wrath of Kahn is the best, but I feel like 6 is far more important to the overall continuity of trek.
Christian Slater just asked after happening by during the filming of Cuffs. Kim was a replacement for Saavik.
I've been a huge Star Trek fan for almost as long as I remember. I didn't discover Star Wars until much later, but I've loved that show too.
So I was kind of conflicted when I saw the Star Trek reboot. I felt like it should have been a Star Wars film. I still kind of liked it, but it didn't feel like a Star Trek film to me.
+Disthron jar jar abrams did admit he was a star wars fanboy and he had never seen any Star Trek. i just hope that he doesnt piss on the star wars fans w/ episode 7
CthulhuChow I think he'll do fine with SW7.
Also, the guy who did ST:Wrath of Kahn also had never seen the show. I think the difference is that he respected the material where as I'm not sure Abrams did.
Being a Star Trek fan since I was a kid, I enjoyed the Abrams reboot. The action scenes do have that Star Wars influence to them, but I thought it was a good idea. Star Wars always was more exciting in that aspect.
Thankfully Robert Orci was a huge Trek fan.
Best line in this film goes to DeForest Kelley.
"Arrest yourself...Admiral!"
Another great review - although I would personally rank "The Undiscovered Country" as my third favorite "Star Trek" film (2, 4, 6). The reveal of the identity of the assassin, I agree, is one of the weak points of the film. And how the heck do you make one of these reviews almost every week? Kudos for maintaining the high quality! Don't hesitate to take a break now and then if you feel the need to but it's always a pleasure to see a new one of these.
thanks my friend, Im taking my time with my latest review of Jaws so I don't feel so burnt out. But it will be online late Sunday evening. :)
The best part about ST6 was the fact they used the latest film stock that made it look more like a late 90s movie which seems to have remained the standard look ever since...minus the teal orange color grading we know of today.
Awesome review, Oliver!!!!! I'm a huge "Star Trek" fan, and this one ranks right up there with "Wrath Of Khan" as my favorites. And are you really planning a review of "The Motion Picture" later on this year???
Oh yes I will be reviewing The Motion Picture!. Cheers for your feedback!.
Excellent video as always. I'm really in the mood to watch the movie now.
great review as always Oliver. Keep it up! I especially love the inclusion of the siskel and ebert reviews. For myself as well as many others it was a weekly ritual Watching their show before going to watch the film when it premiered.
Thanks for your feedback. Surprisingly a lot of people don't like me included Siskel & Ebert clips. Many viewers disagree with them.
After this film David Warner played Gul Madred in a two parter of The Next Generation called "Chain of Command." One of two actors to play three different races in Star Trek (the other being Mark Lenard; Romulan, Vulcan, Klingon).
Great film and send off for the OG crew. Just a general good film with heart and story.
Captain Kirk vs. Captain Von Trapp :)
It would have been interesting if they had another tv series based on a five year mission with the starship Excellsior with Captain Sulu and a bold new crew.
That would be a great idea. It would've been a great bridge between TOS and TNG.
This is exactly what I wanted the new movie series to be. Not a reboot, but a continuation. First movie could have been Sulu's final voyage and handing the ship to a new, young crew.
I remember Paramount Pictures at one point was going to do a television series focused on Captain Sulu and the crew of the USS Excelsior. Sadly it never came together for whatever reason.
I really loved the motion picture director's cut released in 2001 really helped the film alot. Although I was already a big fan of the film. I'd love to see a review on it Oliver. Again great job, this review was excellent brother thumbs up!!!
VI is my favourite after II. I hadn’t watched it in a while… and this got me pumped to throw it on. No regrets!
Cool! Oh, and Kirk said "where no *one*" as well.
I still remember the first night I first watched this film. It was premiering on tv, I was a kid staying over my grandparents place. My uncle grew up as a huge TOS-era Trekkie decades earlier so seeing Captain Kirk on the tv was nothing new for my grandmother. I saw maybe the first quarter of the film before I had to go to bed, I really remember liking what I saw and hoping I could see the rest. Decades later, I got it in a VHS boxed set and enjoyed it, but I got a much deeper appreciation for it when it was released as a special edition 2-disc dvd.
This Is in my top 3 fav Star Trek films of all time !
My other 2 is
Wrath of Khan , part 2
And
Generations , part 7
Nichelle was correct, Uhura would know Klingon like the back of her hand! Good insight
This movie, for me, is the absolute pinnacle of all Star Trek.