I was considering getting a 400x. came up with the same things you did. For insurance i was quoted over 1k a year. i went with a scram 1200 xe. thanks for the video!
I can see why you are being unhappy for Triumph to call the 400x a scrambler. Because 900 is double the price and it is a premium bike. But lets talk about practicality rather than just looks. 900 scrambler isn’t really a true scrambler when you compare it with other brands on the market like the Ducati or the Fantic. They have got longer suspension travel, higher ground clearance and they are even much lighter (150-180kilos). Lets see if the 400x fits in this category or not. Scrambler 400x: Higher ground clearance: 196mm ✅ Longer suspension travel: 150mm front and 150mm rear ✅ Seat height: 835mm ✅ Weight: 179kg wet ✅ Scrambler 900: Ground clearance: 157mm ❌ Suspension travel:120mm front and rear ❌ Seat height: 790mm ❌ Weight: 223kg wet ❌ 400x might not be as good as a dirt bike but it sure can tackle different terrains without a problem. You can go places on the 400x. You can only make it to the local cafe on your 900 ☕️ **I am not a Triumph owner**
Not sure what you were expecting for 5k even though you said it's good for the price of 5k...it's like you already knew before you rode it that you wouldn't get one because of what you get for a 5k bike, even though this 5k bike gives you a better bike than other 5k bike competitors.... Yep I'm confused too lol
I specifically said in the video that I decided not to buy it before ever riding it. My ride on it was after already choosing a different bike. The test ride just confirmed I made the right decision. If you look at it directly next to bikes like the Trident, the extra 3k spread over the average buyers 5-year loan starts to look well worth it from a quality for money perspective. Also, keep in mind I have owned a half dozen mini motos at this point. I am no stranger to cheap bikes, but even a $3800 Super Cub feels nicer and higher spec.
I want I want I want!!!!!!! What did you expect it's a brand new model from the ground up its triumphs biggest seller and will win many awards it's a global hit and is amazing value for money I have the scrambler 400x I preferred the speed 400 ride but was to cramped for my height I don't regret my purchase the quality is very good I agree the 1st and 2nd gear are low but there is plenty enough power I thrash mine around all day I do plan to change the sprocket apparently the speed 400 fits I've just ordered after market parts from Thailand like you said triumph don't know when there parts are arriving there's also plenty out already in India where the bikes were launched 6 month or so back the bike is very economical remember its off road styled not a off roader it looks stunning all singles vibrate I have no issue cruising up to 120 km also there is no motorcycle in the world that can compete with it on value for money and branding
Glad you are enjoying it! I definitely think its right for many, just not right for me. I can relate on the Speed 400 feeling a bit more cramped. The Scrambler definitely fit me better. The big problem with lots of aftermarket coming out of India and Thailand is shipping to us folks in the US. Shipping will often cost 2-3 times the amount of the parts. We really need US or European distributors to make it financially viable.
I was going to say that.....I want this, I want that, I want, I want.... Wait a year the market will be flooded with after market parts, it's gonna be a popular bike
I think if you had seen the new RE Himalayan 450 (your picture is the old REH 400), this conversation might have gone in a different direction. Thanks for cluing us in on the 400X decision.
I ordered a tall touring screen (the tallest of 3) for my 1200xc and that was over a month ago and it hasn't shipped yet. Good thing I don't really need it, but parts can be hard to come by
I like your style. Rapid fire, know what you're talking about, explain things really well. I especially like the way you described the engine characteristics...first two gears too short, poor low-end torque, and have to get up to 6,000+ to feel the torque & power kick in. I hate this characteristic...kind of like the KTM 390. Thanks for the great explanation...I'm passing on the Triumph. I'm an old guy who doesn't have the strength any more to lug around and pick up huge adventure bikes. I'm looking for a lighter and capable bike in the 400-500cc niche that would be excellent in my big town and also good on the mountain dirt roads. Hoping for a Royal Enfield Scram 440 with tubeless alloy wheels. Any ideas for a bike that fits my needs?
Thanks for watching. I appreciate the kind words. Pending how comfortable you are with taller bikes I would look at the DRZ400 and Crf300 Rally they'll both outpower the Scram411, but ya can't really beat that Royal Enfield price or that low seat height.
I downgraded from a 150 hp sports-tourer to the Triumph 400X and it just fits me so well. Characterful engine, fun acceleration, good ergonomics, runs on practically no gas and super cheap. Even if I end up getting a bigger bike again, I think I'm gonna keep the Triumph on the side because its just such a nice, cheap ride.
Great points , The scram 400x is a 1st generation motorcycle ,for a group of people who wanted a lower bar of entry , where they wanted to try the brand and then they have a lot of option up the ladder . BTW there are a lot of after market parts available in india or other asian markets , and the new himalayan 450 has all the same negatives you mentioned , quality , aftermarket etc . Having ridden the 1200x , I could definitely say you got a lot of performance that a sub 500 cc would never be able to give you .
I own a 400X and love it so admittedly I am biased but I have also been on many other bikes and cannot think of any that even come close to the 400x at its price point. You mentioned fit and finish issues but never provided any specific criticism. Yes the thumb controls are not top of the line but they work well. Shocks, brakes etc are not top of the line but they are all good quality...at this price point you are not going to get top of the line. Accessories - are always hard to get for a new model (I am still waiting for several) but they are coming out. Expectations - walking into aToyota dealership expecting a Porsche maybe a bit unreasonable - both can be great cars you just have to know what you are getting. Same can be said comparing a 400x to bikes that are significantly higher priced or have a different mission profiles. If the 400x meets your use profile you will be hard pressed to find a better bike in my opinion.
I respect your points, but it's not walking into Toyota dealership and expecting a Porsche. It's walking into a Triumph dealership and expecting a Triumph... They are a boutique brand that should reflect that on all of their products. Otherwise, the same 5k can take you really far in a Honda dealership. I think they would have better served their core customer base by releasing this bike at 6.5k and making it a bit nicer. Much like KTM does with their 400 class bikes. I do think its a great bike, but based on the 6 Triumphs, I've owned as well as literally 115 motorcycles I've purchased at this point (I keep a running list) This is a step backwards in progression for the brand. The 660s as their entry point was a better representation of the Triumph name.
I own a 400x, I was about to go full keyboard worrior just for the title of the video, jeje but for you indeed this was not the bike for you, I also want to modify the bike and I cant find anything but I love it the way it is now, so it doesn't bother me to wait a bit, also i got my little chinese 250cc bike that I'm going to convert into a cafe racer!, great video, Sub!
I own one, I needed a buget bike. It’s a great bike, I understand the aftermarket concerns, but it’s a great bike fit and finish and power delivery is great! A simple gear change changes everything. You can compare a 400 power to big bore power.
It's a beautiful machine..❤ got it in india. Super smooth, quick throttle resp., nimbleness at its best. Full of twisties and curves very esy. Scrambler 400x. Its better for it's price.
Replying to both your comments in one here, but yeah, getting parts can be a nightmare. Hopefully, yours ships soon. I really like the 1200 motor and usability, but the 900s size appealed to me more since the majority of my miles will be on-road in the city. The Speed Twin 1200 was reeeeally tempting, though.
@regregor Overall, I think it's better than a lot of bikes at the same price point, but having owned 5 of them long term, it's not the typical Triumph quality. They clearly had to cut corners to come in at that price. The levers connection point was a bit flimsy. The exhaust heat shield and other assorted covers are thin and tin feeling, the hand controls are also much lower quality than normal. Paintwork however is still really nice. It's totally fair that they cut corners to meet the price, but I just want people to know what to expect.
In Brazil, the CG 160(24k dol) with no ABS is almost the same price as the speed(29kdol), here there is no way to say that it is not worth the price. I actually prefer riding it. scrambler 1200x(100kdol) here costs 3.5x the value of the 400x Note: we cannot convert the currency, our minimum wage is the same as yours. Yes, here is BR 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
It is so much different in our market. It's a good value here, but there are definitely better values as well as bikes worth spending a little more on. Thanks for watching. I appreciate you and your comment.
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I was considering getting a 400x. came up with the same things you did. For insurance i was quoted over 1k a year. i went with a scram 1200 xe. thanks for the video!
The XE is super nice! Thanks for watching, and congrats on the new bike.
I can see why you are being unhappy for Triumph to call the 400x a scrambler. Because 900 is double the price and it is a premium bike. But lets talk about practicality rather than just looks. 900 scrambler isn’t really a true scrambler when you compare it with other brands on the market like the Ducati or the Fantic. They have got longer suspension travel, higher ground clearance and they are even much lighter (150-180kilos). Lets see if the 400x fits in this category or not.
Scrambler 400x:
Higher ground clearance: 196mm ✅
Longer suspension travel: 150mm front and 150mm rear ✅
Seat height: 835mm ✅
Weight: 179kg wet ✅
Scrambler 900:
Ground clearance: 157mm ❌
Suspension travel:120mm front and rear ❌
Seat height: 790mm ❌
Weight: 223kg wet ❌
400x might not be as good as a dirt bike but it sure can tackle different terrains without a problem. You can go places on the 400x. You can only make it to the local cafe on your 900 ☕️
**I am not a Triumph owner**
Not sure what you were expecting for 5k even though you said it's good for the price of 5k...it's like you already knew before you rode it that you wouldn't get one because of what you get for a 5k bike, even though this 5k bike gives you a better bike than other 5k bike competitors....
Yep I'm confused too lol
I specifically said in the video that I decided not to buy it before ever riding it. My ride on it was after already choosing a different bike. The test ride just confirmed I made the right decision. If you look at it directly next to bikes like the Trident, the extra 3k spread over the average buyers 5-year loan starts to look well worth it from a quality for money perspective. Also, keep in mind I have owned a half dozen mini motos at this point. I am no stranger to cheap bikes, but even a $3800 Super Cub feels nicer and higher spec.
What do you mean when you say Triumph scrambler 400x is better equipped than Royal Enfield? (3:50) What are the differences in equipment?
I want I want I want!!!!!!! What did you expect it's a brand new model from the ground up its triumphs biggest seller and will win many awards it's a global hit and is amazing value for money I have the scrambler 400x I preferred the speed 400 ride but was to cramped for my height I don't regret my purchase the quality is very good I agree the 1st and 2nd gear are low but there is plenty enough power I thrash mine around all day I do plan to change the sprocket apparently the speed 400 fits I've just ordered after market parts from Thailand like you said triumph don't know when there parts are arriving there's also plenty out already in India where the bikes were launched 6 month or so back the bike is very economical remember its off road styled not a off roader it looks stunning all singles vibrate I have no issue cruising up to 120 km also there is no motorcycle in the world that can compete with it on value for money and branding
Glad you are enjoying it! I definitely think its right for many, just not right for me. I can relate on the Speed 400 feeling a bit more cramped. The Scrambler definitely fit me better. The big problem with lots of aftermarket coming out of India and Thailand is shipping to us folks in the US. Shipping will often cost 2-3 times the amount of the parts. We really need US or European distributors to make it financially viable.
I was going to say that.....I want this, I want that, I want, I want....
Wait a year the market will be flooded with after market parts, it's gonna be a popular bike
I think if you had seen the new RE Himalayan 450 (your picture is the old REH 400), this conversation might have gone in a different direction. Thanks for cluing us in on the 400X decision.
I am excited to try it out. Hopefully, they start popping up in our dealerships soonish. Thanks for watching!
Its going to be the same, new bike, hard to find aftermarket parts
Congrats on getting the 900. I just got mine this past weekend! What a great all-around bike, and the torque is awesome.
Nice! Look at us twinning! I am loving the bike so far. I plan to make a lot of videos on it. Thanks for watching!
Congrats on your Sc900!
Looking forward to seeing what you do with it.
I got mine a month ago, fell in ♥️ as soon as I got on it.
Already done a bit.
Thanks! I am excited to get cracking on it. I have some cool ideas for it. Thanks for watching.
I ordered a tall touring screen (the tallest of 3) for my 1200xc and that was over a month ago and it hasn't shipped yet. Good thing I don't really need it, but parts can be hard to come by
I like your style. Rapid fire, know what you're talking about, explain things really well. I especially like the way you described the engine characteristics...first two gears too short, poor low-end torque, and have to get up to 6,000+ to feel the torque & power kick in. I hate this characteristic...kind of like the KTM 390. Thanks for the great explanation...I'm passing on the Triumph.
I'm an old guy who doesn't have the strength any more to lug around and pick up huge adventure bikes. I'm looking for a lighter and capable bike in the 400-500cc niche that would be excellent in my big town and also good on the mountain dirt roads. Hoping for a Royal Enfield Scram 440 with tubeless alloy wheels. Any ideas for a bike that fits my needs?
Thanks for watching. I appreciate the kind words. Pending how comfortable you are with taller bikes I would look at the DRZ400 and Crf300 Rally they'll both outpower the Scram411, but ya can't really beat that Royal Enfield price or that low seat height.
I was quoted 7k (USD) for the speed,...7600 for the scrambler. Didn't buy so don't know if that let me load it in the truck.
I will get the Speed 400 in blue. Can't wait ! Already ordered in southern France !
Congrats on the new bike, and thanks for watching!
I downgraded from a 150 hp sports-tourer to the Triumph 400X and it just fits me so well. Characterful engine, fun acceleration, good ergonomics, runs on practically no gas and super cheap.
Even if I end up getting a bigger bike again, I think I'm gonna keep the Triumph on the side because its just such a nice, cheap ride.
Great points , The scram 400x is a 1st generation motorcycle ,for a group of people who wanted a lower bar of entry , where they wanted to try the brand and then they have a lot of option up the ladder . BTW there are a lot of after market parts available in india or other asian markets , and the new himalayan 450 has all the same negatives you mentioned , quality , aftermarket etc . Having ridden the 1200x , I could definitely say you got a lot of performance that a sub 500 cc would never be able to give you .
4:33 Wait, I might've missed something, so which bike did you go with?
Edit: nvm, I'm stoopids.
Scrambler 900. I just borrowed several other bikes from Triumph.
I own a 400X and love it so admittedly I am biased but I have also been on many other bikes and cannot think of any that even come close to the 400x at its price point. You mentioned fit and finish issues but never provided any specific criticism. Yes the thumb controls are not top of the line but they work well. Shocks, brakes etc are not top of the line but they are all good quality...at this price point you are not going to get top of the line. Accessories - are always hard to get for a new model (I am still waiting for several) but they are coming out. Expectations - walking into aToyota dealership expecting a Porsche maybe a bit unreasonable - both can be great cars you just have to know what you are getting. Same can be said comparing a 400x to bikes that are significantly higher priced or have a different mission profiles. If the 400x meets your use profile you will be hard pressed to find a better bike in my opinion.
I respect your points, but it's not walking into Toyota dealership and expecting a Porsche. It's walking into a Triumph dealership and expecting a Triumph... They are a boutique brand that should reflect that on all of their products. Otherwise, the same 5k can take you really far in a Honda dealership. I think they would have better served their core customer base by releasing this bike at 6.5k and making it a bit nicer. Much like KTM does with their 400 class bikes. I do think its a great bike, but based on the 6 Triumphs, I've owned as well as literally 115 motorcycles I've purchased at this point (I keep a running list) This is a step backwards in progression for the brand. The 660s as their entry point was a better representation of the Triumph name.
crf300l rally ?
I own a 400x, I was about to go full keyboard worrior just for the title of the video, jeje but for you indeed this was not the bike for you, I also want to modify the bike and I cant find anything but I love it the way it is now, so it doesn't bother me to wait a bit, also i got my little chinese 250cc bike that I'm going to convert into a cafe racer!, great video, Sub!
Thanks for watching! I appreciate the support. I'm glad you are digging the 400x. Hopefully, they get some good parts rolling out soon for ya.
I own one, I needed a buget bike. It’s a great bike, I understand the aftermarket concerns, but it’s a great bike fit and finish and power delivery is great! A simple gear change changes everything. You can compare a 400 power to big bore power.
I was skeptical but you made good points , I myself even before this thought the handle bar controls seemed too big and ugly smooth/cheap looking .
Thanks for watching. I really appreciate it!
How is this bike $5000 in the US but £5600 sterling UK ???????
It's a beautiful machine..❤ got it in india. Super smooth, quick throttle resp., nimbleness at its best. Full of twisties and curves very esy. Scrambler 400x. Its better for it's price.
its too early for after market parts. Need to give it at least 1 year.
Can't believe you didn't go for the 12. Then again,they did ditch the xc
Replying to both your comments in one here, but yeah, getting parts can be a nightmare. Hopefully, yours ships soon. I really like the 1200 motor and usability, but the 900s size appealed to me more since the majority of my miles will be on-road in the city. The Speed Twin 1200 was reeeeally tempting, though.
i wish my head was round enough to shave bald
Built in India for the Indian market. They're putting it out here to have SOMETHING in the sub-500 cc sector.
It is a really good first attempt honestly. I'm excited to see how it progresses. I bet the second generation will be top-notch.
You talking about quality. What isn’t good about the quality off the 400 x?
@regregor Overall, I think it's better than a lot of bikes at the same price point, but having owned 5 of them long term, it's not the typical Triumph quality. They clearly had to cut corners to come in at that price. The levers connection point was a bit flimsy. The exhaust heat shield and other assorted covers are thin and tin feeling, the hand controls are also much lower quality than normal. Paintwork however is still really nice. It's totally fair that they cut corners to meet the price, but I just want people to know what to expect.
The Triumph 400's are made by Baja in India which is why the fit and finish is crap. They also make Duke 390's and other low ktm cc bikes.
I remember Triumph in the sixties and seventies. The Indian made motorcycles are much better made.
In Brazil, the CG 160(24k dol) with no ABS is almost the same price as the speed(29kdol), here there is no way to say that it is not worth the price. I actually prefer riding it. scrambler 1200x(100kdol) here costs 3.5x the value of the 400x
Note: we cannot convert the currency, our minimum wage is the same as yours.
Yes, here is BR 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
It is so much different in our market. It's a good value here, but there are definitely better values as well as bikes worth spending a little more on. Thanks for watching. I appreciate you and your comment.