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Should you buy a new or used Harley?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 พ.ย. 2020
- In this video, I took a 2020 Harley-Davidson Heritage for a road test as well as a 2013 Harley Heritage and compared them back to back. So, if you're looking for a new or used motorcycle in this category, this video should help. Special thanks to Smitty at Harley-Davidson of Tampa, 6920 Dale Mabry Hwy., Tampa FL 33614. Phone # 813-886-7433
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A guy once said to me ; if you are over forty, you like chrome. If you are under forty, you like all this black stuff. I'm old so I like chrome.
Im 40, in the process of removing all chrome for a blacked out look
If it doesn’t go , chrome it !
MPHS 1974?
I have never bought a new bike I have owned 8 Harley's and 2 Indian Cheifs In my life time. Only two were even running when I got them. My newest harley was a 2002 FLSTC I bought in 2019. I sold it and am down to my 98 FLSTF and my 72 FLH. Love Harley's but could never could afford a new one but it made me a pretty good Harley mechanic.
Hang on to that 72 FLH, they are considered benchmarks by a lot of the older Harley riders.
Straight off I have never owned a Harley. I have ridden a few, but no single model really appealed to me except the Roadking. For some reason that particular bike has stuck in my head as my perfect retirement motorcycle. Tried the Heritage but found it too small for myself. The Roadkings appeal is in the simplicity of the bike. ABS and cruise control is more than sufficient for my style of riding. Also, the RK just oozes nostalgia that stirs the soul. I'm 62 years young and I will retire at 65, so a couple more years and then its time to pick up my very first Harley Davidson brand new! Will keep my adventure bike for the "walkabout touring" off road. Best of both worlds in my humble opinion.'Thanks for the videos brother,and a big G'day from Australia.
With the deal HD was running last year, it was actually $500 cheaper to get a new 2020 than a used 2015 with 35k miles on it. Was an easy decision for me. That said, after owning it for 10 months, I have no complaints!
I bought a brand new Street Bob 2020 as my first bike last week, I’m really enjoying it and your videos!
I’m definitely learning a lot, glad I found this channel.
I personally like the feel of the old evo. I feel like I'm doing something when riding my evo heritage.
I have a 2014 Heritage and I love it, I’m closing in on 40 K if and when I need motor work on it I’ll step up the performance. Mysterious red with wide white walls!!
I scored. Dad got a 2019 and gave the ol 97 heritage to me!
I got a 2019, Its been a great bike!! Would love to have that 97 Too!!
Can't beat that deal with a hammer
I recently bought a used ‘19 Heritage Classic. Paid less for it than I did when I bought my Deluxe back in ‘12. Sure do miss the heel to toe shifter! Like the hard saddlebags, but I loved my red Deluxe.
You know you can add the heel shifter.
Ride Like a Pro Jerry Palladino Yes, it’s on order. I love your videos. One of these days I hope to take a class with you
“Just a matter of money” got that right.
Good review Motorman
The used Harley market is flooded so there are many deals to be had.
I suspect the dealership guy is a retired officer; clean foot down when stopped & the dismount gave it away.
Buy a used HD first. Then, when you're ready, spring for a new one.
I own a 2013 Ultra Limited (bought new at the age of 32). Everybody at the dealership was surprised with my age and the type of bike I bought. That thing has been paid off, looks and rides great and I'll keep it for at least another 20 years. I'm sure it will turn heads as I ride it 20 years from now. Love the old-school traditional look on a cruiser.
have a 12 heritage, the new one blows it away. The new Heritage with the 114 is one of the best bikes in the lineup. But I got my sights on a Road King.....
Have an 02' I bought new. Made a few changes, got rid of the chain and tensioner shoe cam setup and installed S&S gear driven cams. I picked up about 10 hp and 15 ft lbs of torque. Added true dual exhaust and put a Mustang seat on. Installed the inserts to make the saddlebags like hard bags, bike is 18 years old with 50K on it and the bags still look new, no sagging. Have ridden as much as 500 miles in a day in total comfort. Like Jerry, I'm the old school look kind of guy, the new ones don't have the same look. Would never get rid of this bike, even if I bought another.
I have an '02 Fatboy, best year for the Twin cams (Timken bearings, forged crank, etc.) and also went w/Stage 2 S&S gear driven cams and Bassani Fire Sweep exhaust and Power Vision ECU tuner and had it professionally Dyno'ed and also picked up 10 hp & 15 ft lbs of torque over stock. It runs, looks and sounds fantastic. Like you, this one will stay forever even when I get another bike. Seriously considering a Road Glide or Street Glide. Keep the rubber side down.
Always enjoy the bike reviews.
Glad you like them!
For those that want more “seat of the pants performance” these engine and suspension platforms are a Tuner’s playground. Otherwise in stock form they have all you really need for a great day of riding. Both fantastic bikes.
The 2016 has the ABS and Cruise Control standard. Love mine.
you were talking the old softails, I had a 1992 softail custom bought it brand new and had it for 24 years. After doing a 5 -7 day trip and the constant vibration, my body felt like I got in a long dragged out street fight. Loved that bike though. then bought a 2015 street g special and my body felt like I won the lottery. what an extreme difference... and I don't have to carry wrenches with me anymore.. lol..
I have a 98 Evo, but I’m lookin forward to something brand new in 2021. One for work and one for vacation. 🤞🏻
"I identify as 6'2" lol
I have a 2012 electroglide police had only 12700 miles on it. Has hydraulic lifters and bigger cam shafts. Dynoed with 103 Hp And 111 ft of torque....VERY happy with it and paid 15k instead of 25k for a new one... all I had to do is add a tour pack...
Thanks for that comparison. I have a tip for you, please add some additional screen time at the end of your videos so one who uses Apple TV or similar device connected to their TV has enough time to grab the remote, press a button, scroll to the thumbs up button and press it. Maybe a splash logo or anything really, black screen, etc.
Thanks a lot, Jerry.
Thanks Motorman. Used is definitely the way to go for those budget minded folks. I got my 2013 FLTRU for $18.5 Canadian with just over 50,000 miles. Runs like a charm and a very comfortable cruiser that with just a little practice will get me doing 18 foot u-turns.
the new Heritage looks more like a Japanese cruiser than a classic Harley Davidson
and I identify as a 198 lb man, but actually I clock in at 312.
yes it dose and with out the chrome accents it looks just thrown together
Lol
I agree. Was gonna buy new but scored a mint low mileage 2017 black quartz and love it. The appearance of the 18 up I don’t care for either. Oh...way less money for the used as well👍🏻👍🏻
@@shadeshadyshade254 totally love the black quartz, I have a '15 Heritage Classic, Morocco Gold.
The air cleaner cover on the 2020, at 2:19 lacks any styling. It looks like government surplus parts.
My 2011 RK Classic with ABS, cruise, alarm, street glide wheels, 12” chubs, wide Mustang solo and 40k has become a part of me. Test rode a new RK...no way would I trade.
It’s funny I found a matte red 2018 Heritage with the 114 and love the Mad Max look combined with the retro styling (especially since I traded a Bonneville on it). Excited to ride it since I bought it in January in Ohio 😭. Just received my Ride Like a Pro DVDs! Thanks for all you do for the community!
As for those bikes. I like the look of the older models. I do like the handling of the newer one.
I have a 2013 Heritage Softail Shriner I Love it and it is a 103 she is has Alot of power .I Love her .
Money! Yeah, HD is not cheap. Used or New. There everywhere for sale, Be patience and You'll find a good deal... No matter what you're looking for... I'm with you on the style...
I’ll take my 2008!
I definitely do prefer the white Heritage Harley classic look with as all the chrome and studded saddle bags with buckles etc. It's a really cool bike 😎🏍️
Harley Davidson listened and for 2021, you can get the chrome in the 107 engine. The 114 in the black. Clear windshield on the chrome.
Cool video with good info. I have a 16 street glide. A back to back comparison of a 2020 or 2021 107 and 114 would be awesome
My 2000 Fatboy is the newest model bike I ever had lol, so can't compare on the vibrations but it feels alot better then my 84 lowrider or a 92 wide glide, my 84 lowrider was my only new bike, was single back then and no kids lol. One of these days will get a new bike, gonna be a Roadking for sure tho. Good review 👍👍
Thanks Motor Man , I really like my 2019 Street Glide CVO it’s a great ride
It should be ! Love the CVO's
Either way you can’t go wrong .
WE after the Wide Glide 2010-2017 so it will be 2nd hand & aftermarket from now on for us..
ALL GO0D.......
👍🏽Awesome bro video on the heritage old versus new you’re a bad man i’ve got a heritage 2012 with the 103
Used all day. Just paid $6000 for a 91 FLHTP Police bike with a whopping 6391 miles on it, has been in climate controlled storage for 8 years. Spent another $1500 on parts (tires, battery, belt, etc) doing the work myself. Put a EV-27 cam and Torrington in it, rejetted the CV with a Yost Power Tube, the rest box stock. I can roll all day at 80 in air suspended comfort for less than 10G's on to me a much cooler bike than any new one.
Great motorcycle, I had a 2006 Heritage, I just traded it for a 2018 Road Glide. I love my Road Glide, but I miss my Heritage, it was fixed up pretty nice. I just couldn't afford to get the new bike without trading..There was definitely more room in the leather bags on the 06 Heritage than on the 18 Road Glide with the hard bags...
Hello Jerry, mine is a 14 heritage stage 1 and is way louder than the white one you rode. Python Street Cannons on mine. Great video
I like my 2008 cvo road king just fine. LOL no need to upgrade for now. I've ridden my wifes 2020 street glide and I'm just not impressed enough to really regret buying a 12 year old bike in 2020.
Gimme a Twin Cam Softail every time. They sound better, the saddlebags don't leak and the seating position is SO MUCH better! I much prefer the feel of sitting IN the motorcycle vs. sitting ON the motorcycle.
We've never bought a new vehicle or motorcycle in our lives and never will. I think now, isn't the time to buy anything. Jmo...
I enjoyed the review and I definitely prefer the older one, though.
i have a 13 heritage just like that except in Amber and black, all the chrome, and wide white wall tires. had it 5 years. bought it used only had 1870 miles on it. the 2020 heritage should have been chromed it looks bare. and missing the crash bar. my heritage is comfortable and there is no vibration up into the handlebars.
Just got a 99 fxstc, the price was hi for a used bike, but I love the evo.
The newer cruisers got the Digital display, not very harley imo. Though I like the Milwaukee 8 too, my next bike I want the newer slim or street Bob.
Hay Jerry I'd have to give that one to the 2020. Power, comfort and bags that don't sag over time. Thank for making the video.
They should have just covered the hard bags with the same style leather as the older bike.
Neither, save your cash! Rough times ahead.
you got that right
No doubt about it.
Good advise that I probably won't listen to.
Agreed...rough times ahead. But please enjoy yourself while you (we) can!!
Prefer the old style myself. Mate has a 103 too and its in amazing condition and looks more like a Harley than my 2017 Road King Special. But both are great bikes. Good vid Jerry, thanks.
Was it just me or did the dealer rider with you enjoy the older bike... seemed to lean more and seemed more natural on the older bike. Could be he didn't want to break the new one :D
I’ll keep my 1982 FLHSP.
Neither just keep the one I’ve got and my money in the bank.
I’m still kicking myself for getting rid of my ‘16 Heritage!! It was that pearl blue and white ice color, think 1950’s car. Oh well I’m loving my 2018 Harley RoadGlide Ultra though!!
The 2016 Heritage Classic I have is crushed ice Pearl and teal Pearl. Have 32000 on her and still running sweet.
Thanks for the comparison ride.
My father in law had a 1974 Bowling Ball electra glide.
My 6’4” was not an issue with that old seat. He thought it would out run my Z 1 Kaw. 😁
He was sincerely dreaming!!!
I think they should have left the Heritage alone, if you want a vintage look Road king is it.
Agreed. I couldn't believe they changed up the Heritage as the old style is classic IMHO. If I ever buy another Harley it will be the RK.
Back in my day if you had chrome anything it was seen as a step up from basic black. Commercial vehicles had grey or black bumpers no chrome anywhere.
I guarantee I buy what I can pay cash for although when I retire I will spring for a tri glide even if I have finance a bit of it.
Perhaps the ride feels a bit better because the seat material foam is better?
Harleys, any model drop so much in value when you roll them off the lot and in the first couple of years. I bought my first one new but since then I have bought 3 used ones that were 2 years old with between 500 and 1000 miles and already had a couple more thousand dollars in accessory's added and not a scratch on them for approximately 1/3 less than new. If you don't have to have the latest and greatest used is the way to go. You have to be patient to find the jewels but they are out there.
No question about that.
I want one with a mini-bar and microwave. And at least a 20 speaker surround sound!
I prefer new but when the opportunity presents itself it will come down to budget. Got to have a heel shifter. That’s all I know.
F you can ride a bike you make it look so easy 👍
Always felt like a new bike was like a virgin. Guess I'm oldschool.
Few mos till 65 been ridin fatbob over decade blacked out mostly little chrome
First thing that's not the 103 motor that's a 96 cubic inch and abs come standard on them since 2016 I own one
As much as I like the new Harleys, I doubt I'll buy one. I had 4 Harleys up until about a year ago; recently sold one to a good friend. The newest is 7 years old, the oldest is 20 years old. All are in showroom condition, but I ride them. My 2001 Ultra Classic has 80K miles, the 2002 Softail has 50K, the 2013 Electra Glide Classic has about 30K, and my wife's 2006 Sporty only has about 5K. Love all of them. No reason to upgrade.
Great video Jerry
Thanks 👍
I love my motor vehicles new. Just like my wife was.
Riiiiight
i have a 03 Road King Classic. Anniversary Silver. did a 37G cam 95ci and SS Mufflers. 100hp 107ftlbs. bike only has 50k on it and is like new. I dont see the need to buy a new bike. Maybe I dont Know what I'm missing. I saw the miller light mirror in a bar and said i want that bike. My 1st and maybe only Harley.
Yes!
The white Harley is the same as mine
Hi, great review as always. Do you have any option one way or another about the new HD fatboy and the previous model
As soon as you drive a newly purchased HD out of the showroom, how much does its value depreciate? Hmm!
When you drive ANY vehicle out of the showroom how much does it depreciate? Check any German luxury/performance vehicle to see some real depreciation.
@@motorman857 The depreciation of a used vehicle or motorcycle is always much less than a new one because you paid a depreciated purchase price to begin with. Much less. And I'd rather check metric bike dealerships than German ones; their product is much more reliable.
They will ruin your credit scores and financial damages too
My 2000 softee is hands on for me to work on
FYI, I currently ride a 2005 FLSTCI in Smokey Gold and Vivid Black.
I wouldn't kick either out of bed for eating crackers!
What would be a good Harley for cruise and twisty ?? I do a little of both, I would love for your thoughts on it. Thanks so much for all your videos !!
By far, the 2020 Fat Bob. 114 motor, lots of lean angle, and great for cruising.
missing the old heritage handle bars
Buying used does not help the motor company. But Harley does not offer much every year like other manufacturers like horsepower snd more tech. So we buy used. Harley offers mostly new paint jobs every year. Most manufacturers make Traction control, stability control, and ABS standard. Still an option with Harley. If Euro 4 requiring ABS or Euro 5 requiring Traction control, Indian or Harley would still not offer or still an option.
If you're mechanicly inclined by used. If not new. $3500 for a well used 99 fatboy 2 seasons riding normal maintenance
I love most Harleys but I’ll stick with my Victory to the wheels fall off. I won’t buy an Indian after Polaris pulled the rug from under Victory owners, it was a disgrace.
Peter, the Indians are still Victory/Polaris. Polaris didn't get rid of Victory. They changed to a more "marketable" name, Indian. Better name recognition = more sales. It's just business.
You have a point there.
Not to start an argument but at the 3:45 frame, is that turn legal in FL? I am moving there soon.
I thought the same thing. I don’t trust cages enough to attempt that maneuver.
HD is a beautiful bike, just not my cup of tea.
This made me think of how MANY people will buy a Rebel 300 and ride it for a few months (weeks?) and then trade it in for a larger bike. One would think there would be a huge number of used 300s out there eager for a buyer. Where I live there is not -- and has not been for over a year that I have been noticing -- a single, used Rebel 300 for sale at my local dealer. So much for logic. In fact, in my small city, at least 90% of the cruiser bikes on the street are Harleys. I think I've seen one Kawasaki. No Indians. One old Honda Shadow. Interesting because there is no Harley dealership in town, nearest is 40 miles away. Bikes for sale here are Kaw, Suz, Yam & Honda. Yet virtually none of those are on the street. Yet when I talked with the sales guy, he said sales are very good. Go figure.
Buy what one you really like.The cost is soon forgotten....
Thanks for the review & comparison. Been considering upgrading from a C50T to a 2015-2017 used Heritage, but concerned about the lean angle issue. How limited is it, for example will there be a lot of floorboard scraping in your training course layout?? How much of a problem would the scraping be up at the Deals Gap / Tail of the Dragon route? I'm 62 years old, but try identifying at about 20 years younger, truly not sure how spirited of a rider I really am.
Hi Ric. I owned a Volusia. Same as the C-50. I rented a Heritage and took it out for about 200 miles on straight and very curvey roads. The floor boards on the Heritage do scrape early. But the bike is very well balanced and I am not the kind of rider who likes to drag my knees anyway. I owned a 06 Roadglide for a while. I think the Suzuki and the Heritage have better suspension than the Roadglide.
@@CGB65 Thank you Graham I appreciate your comments. What do you ride now??
During the twin cam era, They had to come up with some great paint schemes, To sell bikes and that they did!! Because the engine was Junk, Straight out the gate. I rode 89 Sportster until, until, They did something with powerplant. Finally 2017 they started to do that. I Bought a 2019 Road Glide.
How do you know it was junk if you never owned one? It had one issue , the cam chain tensioner. It’s a lot cheaper to fix that, than buy a new bike. The M8 has sumping problems. Every engine has it’s weaknesses. The new colors and lack of chrome aren’t because of a superior engine. I’ll stick with my FLHTCUI100.
@@ront9395 Research, Other rider facts.
Do you feel the new bikes sound fine with the stock silencers or do they need after market and maybe a stage one? My 2001 Sportster 1200 remains standard.
The new ones are really quiet and don't sound that great. I don't mind them being quiet but it would've been cool if the sound was better.
Goldwing
I like the styling of the old one a whole lot better. I hate these all black blob bikes. Did the concept of contrast piss in millennial's Cheerios or what? New Softies have more ground clearance. They also have bigger, more powerful engines without all the heat of the bigger Twinkies.
You could probably have dialed back the preload of the shock and got a softer ride in the rear. I thought the forks on the new Heritage were way underdamped/sprung. They dove like a hungry Pelican on the front brakes from just a few miles an hour. Probably soaks up bumps like a pillowy old HD, but I prefer my springy bits feel a bit more taut.
Buy used at half price, make it your own with Aftermarket and learn to wrench. I got sick of wrenching so i bought an indian challenger with a 7 year warranty 😂
"Should you buy a Harley or a cheaper, more reliable motorcycle?" Fixed it!
If you want to buy these in Australia then add $15k to the 20 k you mentioned.
Way more expensive here.
Aren't tariffs wondefful....
Neither get a V-Rod used low mileage or a big dog used
... or no HD at all?
Exactly. In America, you can buy anything you want..so far.
Nah. I'll stick with my 08 softail springer. 54k on the clock. Got another 50k left.
What, not Bert's? :)
Yea Bert's is a miserable ride from where I live. I once counted 642 traffic lights from my house to Berts and they were all red.
@@motorman857 ok. I don't live down there, so I don't know, but I thought Berts was near Tampa. That would be a miserable ride.
I know I'm never buying another used one. Mine has been a headache from start to finish. I still love it tho
I purchased 6 or 7 used bikes thru the years. I only recall one of them being a headache. That was a 76 Honda 750 I bought in 99. It had very low miles but it was one thing after another. Probably due to not being ridden thru the years.
Buy used. I bought new one time and I lost my ass. Not because I did anything wrong but because everything with wheels depreciates A LOT as soon as you drive it off the lot.
There are literally THOUSANDS of great Harleys out there for sale with less than 30000 miles and under $15000 dollars.
To each his own but I'll never buy new again.
Just don't see a reason to.