6 INTP Females w/ Linda Berens,
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- 6 INTP females discuss personality typology.
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Im intp female. I never questioned teachers nor pointed out errors and I rarely do that to people now. It's pointless. People don't care, so why cause a scene and put negative attention on myself? It's enough that I know the truth. That and I avoid stupid people and would never share my thoughts with them. They don't want them nor deserve them.
sounds more intj like to me BUT thats literally from this comment only 😳🤷🏻♀️ idk you dont take this seriously at all
@@jaycee6689 not quite. intp being apathetic to those who cannot handle the truth. Truth scares people away. Fe inferior know that.
@@jaycee6689I 100% agree that one comment is not enough to go on, but this too reminds me very much of my INTJ friends.
@@cross-eyedmary6619 I have intj envy. They seem able to cope better with people by blocking them out. They and the istp. Hoping to get over the envy and the assumptions I have about them, but here I am.
Such an NT response
Im an INTP. My wife, an ENFP. She frequently says "you always think you"re right".. and I agree, I find it a bad strategy to enter a discussion wrong.
Most think inside the box, some have the courage to think outside the box, the I-TP recognize that the box does not exist.
Fantastic panel!
Love this ❤
These women also just represent how it's like to be a very intelligent woman.
Or just what it's like to be intelligent?!
Or just have knowledge
Sounds like someone’s hating 😂😂
"And how did you experiment growing up as an INTP?"...
Si unleashed in 5...4...3...2...1...
As a female INTP, I was especially interested to hear this panel, sharing similarities but also showing variety of the type. And how amazing to have Linda Berens as a guest!
As an INTP female, thank you for sharing this! So cool to see multiple INTP females have a conversation together.
Solid panel, Joyce! The generational diversity highlights how much life experience influences personality growth/maturity.
I'm an INTP, and I think that what the panel was trying to say in the last 30 minutes or so is that our gift is not that we have Ti as our dominant function (ISTP have that too), our gift is that beside Ti dom, we have Ne as auxiliary function. The combo Ti Ne is our true gift, no just being Ti dom.
100%
It often seems more like a Ti/Ne web as opposed to simply Ti and then Ne.
Entp's are much more obvious in this way but their web seems extremely broad but sometimes not deep enough, at least to me.
I can relate to the being good at handling criticism because to me it isn't personal and the times I was criticized it just made me aware of something that I was not aware of so I am grateful. I value truth and correctness above all.
Correct me, because then I learn. What a boring life to walk around thinking I'm right all the time.
As a fan of Joyce's channel and an intp female I've been looking out for this video for a while. I wasn't disappointed. I enjoyed the discussions about early life and relationship challenges and would have loved to hear more especially about any organization or procrastination issues the panel had; how strengths could be seen as weaknesses and any ideas they have about being such an under-represented sector of population and being misunderstood. Also, how knowing typology has improved possibly improved their lives.
Wow!. I love it when we get the whole range of generations interact and share their story. You can really see the growth as they have the experience of overcoming different challenges. Thanks so much for sharing you stories everyone! 💜
I see us INTP’s as the caveman that has escaped and returned to Plato’s cave after having seen having explored the world outside of that cave, and finding himself being hated by everyone else who stayed inside.
Accurate
This is so healing! This has hit all of my issues and for the first time in a long time I saw a raw, unpolished reflection of who I really am. I didn't even realize that I'd made so many modifications to my thinking process so my external manifestation would not be a typical INTP. It wasn't until I saw this video that I realized how exhausting it's been trying to fit in. I would subconsciously mould my personality after people I've met or seen on screen who are likeable and have set guidelines on how to act/react as they would, and expecting others to like me for it. However, watching this I felt my mask and all my accrued pretenses fall away. I haven't felt this free since I was very young. So, thank you all for participating. You don't know what it means to me.
This was a really fun panel for me since 4 of us stayed in chat for hours more to discuss type related things. The flesh prison couldn't cope with the Ne points haha~ I'm really thankful I was invited (also since I've been a fan of Linda Berens' work since the beginning of my type research)
I'm late again by 2 hours but it's so interesting to be able to listen back and listen to everyone's apprehensive speaking styles (including mine) (time to figure out how to restructure my speaking pace). - Naisu :3
Edit:
My favorite scene is the editing effort you made of me trying to remember the word "cicada" @ 46:04 XD
"apprehensive speaking styles" - what an interesting recognition! oh man... this is getting me thinking 😅
You guys are really special (Japan) imo because you guys bring so much advanced tech to the world, your culture & my favorite artist is also Japanese her name is Wisp & she does alt rock & shoegaze in case you're into that. Stay safe! -INTJ 1w9
Intp does not understand or belief social status, they will question you ideas whether you are a doctor, ceo, expert or whatever, they gonna talk to you as they talk to other person 😂😂
This is so true, I told a friend this a few days ago and it's funny seeing it here. I struggled in school and work because I often questioned my teachers and bosses.
I’m a very strong INTP females and grew up virtually having no friends at school, and was always constantly misunderstood and got bullied a lot at school for the reason that I didn’t fit the mold of what a girl should be. Also being smart and a female nerd just was just not considered cool back in the 80’s. As I got older, I accrued a lot more male friends than female friends. Most of my friends are actually INTJ’s
I like your confidence I was inspired by you just like you I have similar situation as you are and I am confident to say that even I am an intp.😊
Love all these ladies! -- intj female 🌷
YES! The authenticity is refreshing, and I love perfectionists. If a teacher is wrong, they SHOULD be corrected…as long it’s done constructively.
I love how a few teachers quit after being corrected by an INTP! 😆 They should never have been hired in the first place. Hiring panels should probably have one INTP for quality control.
@@MoPoppins omg, I know! That teacher chose the wrong profession 😂
Great panel. Glad to see an in-depth look at the INTP female.
Helloooo. Fellow intp females I don’t know why I felt so excited helloooooo I’m so happy to meet all of you
When I correct people, I correct them regarding not so much grammar and such, but mostly about flawed types of thinking, like group think. I always encourage people to think for themselves and engage in critical and independent thought
Is it the ISTjs that are more into correcting grammar?
@@stu6097 Not necessarily, as ISTJ’s are more prone to point out social flaws and being sticklers of people breaking the rules. Grammar and linguistics is more predicated on logic
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grammar is no logic and correct people is a Si thing. Logic, grammar have rules too, all system have rules, so istj are the more focus at correct people.
INTPs have SiFe at the end of stack. Si applies at Fe, that's why INTP want correct people.
It's a SiFe thing.
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Te users thinking by themselves too. You should study Carl Jung book about personality types to your learn about the truth Te.
But you problem with "group thinking" seems more a FeTi problem than Te problem because Te is a science thinking. Te it's no a "group thinking", but Te at 3 and 4 position becomes weak.
Ti is no logic. Both Te and Ti use logic, Again, you should study Carl Jung book, but the classic logic it's more a Te than Ti thing because Te is a objective thinks.
Go study Carl Jung. Ti issue not objective factual thinking.
25:50-26:23 Sheryl summoned Susanne's cat! She piqued its interest with "I want to be the cat," but it politely waited for her to finish her metaphor before making an appearance. ISFJ cat? 🐈😻 lol
Btw, Joyce, I loved this panel. So relatable (I won't begin to list all the ways because Si will go overboard*) . You had me at Linda Berens.
*Although, to answer Naisu's question, I also started reading at a young age (though I avoided talking at all costs). My mother even says I weaned myself off breastmilk when I was 8 months old (though I have my own theories about that, and it might be unrelated to development). Like Susan, I was always the youngest in my class (also bday in late Sept.), esp when I got skipped ahead. (side note, I also taught myself how to say please & thank you growing up). I collected rocks and feathers when I was a kid. I've been known to keep spiders as pets. This eventually developed into an entomology hobby. I'm more interested in the taxonomy of categorizing various species, and this extends to botany, birds, mammals, and even bacteria. I suspect many Ti users enjoy categorizing in this way, according to a logical taxonomy that differentiates observable traits (although some distinctions can be somewhat arbitrary). I also enjoy categorizing meteors according to their source, based on the radiant point in the sky, and identifying medical conditions based on signs and symptoms. But I think when you couple Ti with Si, there's an urge not only to identify and categorize, as precisely and accurately as possible, but also to collect specimens from your adventures to keep for nostalgia purposes. So as not to forget Ne, I also completely relate to Rebecca's interdisciplinary approach. Okay, I know I said I wouldn't do it, but I went a bit overboard with detail in this comment -- but, for Fe reasons, I swear! 🙃
You are wonderful listeners
Omg...this is like theraphy. I had been upset because when I got ill I was the one that healed myself, and was upset by the slap dash attitude of some of the medical practitioners I had encountered. Particularly that they did not seem to take the time to do a proper diagnosis and gather all the facts. How can I feel safe in a world if I cant even trust an expert. When I was young and ignorant it was good in the way because I trusted the system. Now I dont trust even the experts and of course I have to question and clarify everything. It makes me feel unsafe like I am the only one that can really solve my problems because in my experience ... most of the time I was the one to solve them.
I'm intp and rely on myself. No one else is capable. They must be in theory, but I think they don't care to hone it
INTP women assemble! 💪🏻😤
I love how they all respect eachothers need to elaborate.
People Development Practitioner! love that
The main models for all the rental pieces on my retail company site are INTP :)
As well as the internal systems/operations are continually built by myself & Ti/Fe axis peeps (infj,intp)
Personally INTP's are my absolute favorite types, because they always see the flaws or inconsistencies in what I am
doing/working on; and their added insight always improves my ideas and makes the final product virtually perfect.
I absolutely love it.
I related to them so much. This video made me happy. Hearing their experiences make me feel less alien with mine. Their struggles are also my own. Navigating a very social world as a intp woman really challanges you. I find it funny how they also had trouble with teachers, because throughout high school and college I'd have the same struggles.
I remember in my childhood the common opinion about me (an INTP) was something like "smart but stupid". That status actually diminished my arrogance and made me always crawl up. At that time I had a lot of different activities like dancing, martial arts, embroidery, singing, and so on. My NT side wasn't uncovered until my TJ-best friend stopped making friends with me because she started to be interested in boys and I didn't. Then I realized that now I have a lot of free time and spare energy, and put it all into studying. It appeared to be very rewarding :).
Also, one strange thing from my childhood is that I had poor vision, but I preferred not to wear glasses most of the time. So, anytime when people complained that I didn't say hello, I just said something like: "Oh! I forgot my glasses and I didn't see you!" I actually vastly used my poor vision to isolate myself from others. I sort of liked people but I got exhausted by them very quickly. Being in the same community for 11 years almost every day was real torture.
28:35 That's EXACTLY what I did when I was forced into bible school HAHAHA. Also amazing to have Linda Berens herself on the panel! I'd only read her theories and never directly saw or heard her speak, but she speaks with such serenity and conciseness.
really wonderful to hear. i esp loved the age range of the panel and hearing their similar and differing experiences. wished this was a much longer discussion. i could listen to them all day. si dom here.
Im intp female. Id like to meet Sheryl or hear more of her online. She seems like the intp I relate to the most. Less set in her ways, but she is 'cause she's intp, but also more open. Maybe her Fe is more developed like mine is. And I bet she's more animated the other women here. I fidgit and these woman don't.
This was an amazing discussion. Thanks for all the hard work.
Loved this conversation! Definitely one of my favorite's - and love to see a female group of INTPs. It's really encouraging to see the reflection of therapist work here, as it's something I've long been drawn to but haven't really pursued until very recently. Rebecca particularly resonated with me - I'd be very curious to learn more about her work! ~INTP
Loved seeing more intp females! Hopefully, Joyce, you will continue to find more, and/or include them in mixed group videos! 🙏 I wld've loved to hear them touch more on gender biases, and if they were mistyped at all in the past. As a female I've learned to mask a lot of things (chameleon-like, though I still don't quite fit in), and my greatest growth challenge in life has been trying to figure out the sugar-coated approach etc as mentioned. Not having a lot of female intps to observe and analyze makes trying to type myself even more difficult, so thank you intps for showing up!!
I also learned I spent my whole life not knowing the proper definition of precocious. 😂 Thanks Linda! A little bit smarter than yesterday.
Wow, great insightful conversations.
This has to be one of my favorite videos I've watched on your channel thus far Joyce. Seriously lovely panel! Hope to see (or hear) everyone who participated in the future ~
Same…really interesting & insightful deeper look into INTP females that’s now up there in my faves! 👍
Excellent panel, Joyce & participants! 👏
Linda Berens! So happy to see her here.
sometimes I just randomly (probably not completely random) watch one of your videos all the way through and this was one! I always learn something that sticks with me when I stay
I watched soaps just to learn how humans connect and behave. Interesting panel. Ty Joyce
I love these conversations. Thank you Joyce.
I see/hear a lot of similarities with an ISTP female. I have to say whilst I understand the fact that the statistics are more than likely very wrong...I personally haven't met someone like me 🤷🏾♀️ Yes it's painful to be despised for what you offer freely. The true false process is so inate that until I recently discovered mbti I thought people were just choosing not to be LOGICAL...LOL LOL It has caused me A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
The dating scene was especially difficult for me as a female INTP. For starters, thanks to my good looks I got many first dates, but would get very few 2nd dates once the guy I was dating would see experience my INTP-ness, -that is being my quirkiness, awkward social skills and intense intellectual curiosity
INTPs are precious and we must protect their smile.
I also an intp.and I am very happy.
Susan’s childhood aligns more with my childhood
I feel such a connection to these women. Thanks so much for this
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I'm an INTP male. Is it maleness and femaleness that separates or unites INTPs?
Owing to the rareness of INTP, it's nice to hear at length the type's expression.
Unites
#INTP'sforeva
God, these women are so much like me.
Loved this chat! All the ladies were very wise
That's a great idea! :) I also hold live Q&A videos, where viewers can ask questions in real-time. It's similar to twitch streaming. They have a distinct thumbnail so that you can tell them apart from regular videos. Hope to see you in one of those live chats one day, Cátia!
I wouldn’t describe my early tendency to correct teachers or my mom, as me noticing their inconsistencies or imperfections. I wasn’t focused on criticizing them as people at all, and anything they said that was inaccurate was far separated from my personal feelings towards them. Instead, it was a misunderstanding of why we were all there. I mistakenly assumed that as a class we were all as laser focused on the accuracy of ideas, together. I thought we were all engaged in the same pursuit of knowledge. There wasn’t any competition or scorn or any kind of arrogance or dominance in my heart. If I knew I was right, it wasn’t personal pride that I was concerned with, but Truth. As a result, I ended up being accused by my mom quite often, of all sorts of character flaws and it truly traumatized me and broke me early on. I knew that
I did not have any aggressive or argumentative motivations at all. I simply didn’t understand that there were other group dynamics, at play, such as hierarchies and, as Linda mentioned, classroom management. My (INFP)mom and I have been estranged for so long. It’s the deepest sadness and trauma of my life that my mom and I could not understand each other in time. I am 40 years old and am still reduced to tears when I think of how she views me. Intellectual cooperation to me is the way to emotional connection for me. I tried so hard to hash things out because I wanted to connect, but she interpreted it as the opposite. I have very deep psychological and emotional issues now from being misunderstood by my INFP mom, who homeschooled me until middle school. She was my whole world and I will always be somewhat ashamed that my own mother hates me so much and wants nothing to do with me. Learning MBTI and Linda’s ideas especially, have really helped me in recent years.
I can relate to being sent to school early.. I started school at 2.5 yo.
Wow, so it wasn't just me who corrected and argued with teachers. What a relief
Woot woot. Found my people. I’m watching this instead of doing my coding project
Omg Sheryl, I did that exact same thing with reading out loud. I'd count ahead, prepare my section, then zone out or read ahead. Worked like 80% of the time but a few times I started reading and people looked at me weird and I realized they skipped around that day.
Nothing worse than the teacher randomly saying to the kid before you "Ok, now skip ahead a chapter and start there" and I'm just panicking now trying to figure out where the rest of the class still was. Everyone else turns 1 page, and I'm flipping desperately through the entire book, glancing at the table of contents, and looking at the kid's book numbers next to me, lol.
Same for me with Susan, I almost NEVER did homework at home, I did it during the lesson, maybe on the bus. My parents wouldn't belive me so I'd show them my homework. But of course, I HATED math (still do, think I have dyscalculia or just ADHD failing working memory) so I'd show them my done homework for English, History, etc and "forget" that I also had math homework, lol.
Also like Susan, After I learned that the flipping frantically thing ^ didn't work out well, I started putting my hardcover Dungeons and Dragons books under my textbooks and reading both. Worked well until we had a teacher that also played D&D. He just walked by and closed my D&D book once while lecturing without even skipping a beat, haha. I always respected him after that.
Can't believe how much Susan's stories line up with mine, haha. I used to test INTJ back when I was a watch-slave. I did literally the same thing. Set it wrong on purpose to de-tangle myself from rigid conformity. Even today, I let my alarm clock run almost 10 mins fast, both to induce my ADHD panic when I realize I'm late (Even though it's time to get ready) and to remind myself that time is basically just a construct and never objective. (To relieve the stress I feel from others. So people who freak out about 2 min lateness can just learn to wait, lol.)
I also got in trouble for arguing “correcting” my teacher. Only time I got in trouble in school.
I find it very interesting that INTP’s are not well liked in Japan, since I found out recently that there’s a significant higher percentage of them there than here in North America
There are alot of atypical illnesses with atypical ppl. I use more holistic approaches and into health. Some atypical lady friends and I wrote an ebook to help ppl who can't very help with those mcas pots fibro eds ect. We had some j type aspies working on it. They added schedules, some of us did research, psychiatrist views, and stories for others to connect with in these hard unknown or no cure 😳 illnesses. Autoimmune. Sorry for the dumping. I dabble in to many things and have no real job other than TH-cam. But like to share my 🧠
I knew someone else would be on the spectrum. I was picking that up pretty quick. A little different connections sometimes. It's hard to tell with intp. The few I know are autistic or adhd or both like me
Wow I totally relate to the story about calculating what sentence would be mine and then memorizing it! I would totally do this and I'm sure I did plenty of things exactly like that as a child! #intpfemale
I like the growth in elderly types people.
Insightful. Thank you.
I also recall going to the forest with my older brother catching snakes and turtles, and then having my mom get so upset with us bringing them home
No such thing as controversy if it's true, IMO. Just hurt egos and soft-ground foundation identity building being shaken.
We intp are ego slayers
I was the baby among one INFJ and one ISTJ 2nd oldest brother, and just couldn’t succeed in either raising me me, or getting me to listen to them
As an INTP, I always had onerous difficulties cracking that social code
My mother land is actually Spain, in which even houses even fewer INTP’s than here in North America
I offer this montage of clips from "Broadcast News" in homage to the women on this panel. It's been a long time since I watched this movie, so I could be off the mark, but there is at least a strong argument to be made that Holly Hunter's character, Jane Craig, a TV news producer, is an INTP. The first clip, where Jane as a girl berates her father, speaks for itself. I would also draw your attention to 0:46 where Jane whispers "No, it's awful" and 1:02 where Blair (Joan Cusack) tells Jane "Except for socially, you're my role model." th-cam.com/video/YZ-yYcUmWSA/w-d-xo.html
23:24 i complete relate to Rebecca
I’d love to know what enneagram type Susan is. It seems like we are very very similar 🤔
Intp's are loved on the internet, but hated irl.
Hearing the stories about the teachers made me sigh. How do grown adults let a child get to them so much they either remove themselves or the student. Unless they were actual terrors who disrupt the class etc. I don't get it. I really don't. So what you were wrong, there's nothing wrong with being wrong and that's what students need to learn. How else will we learn anything? 🤦♀
I’m more like Susan and we both have the same profession 😊
Yea I've gone into Linda and naisu personality as an intp I'd have ☺️
do you do typology? 'cause i would be very glad to feature such a video and it would get you viewers if you did public typologies 'cause everyone likes that :)
Where’d you find 8 INTJ women aren’t they unicorns?
Did you (Joyce, I guess?) know that alchemy is theorized to actually be about people in the first place? Transmuting "common" material (peasants) into gold (Self-actualized and active people) that was more useful. The same way witchcraft is highly metaphorical and "eyes of newt" actually means different slang for plants. At least "true" or philosophical alchemy texts, not the later stuff where people were believing the metaphors literally. Basically just typology science from the medieval ages and earlier.
This is not widely accepted btw (Not up to Te standards) but it made enough esoteric sense to me that I consider it true.
Question = if naisu has tritype 514 why isn't she 5w4 but 5w6?
Naisu here. Based on my research and understanding, enneagram core (which is more internal and nature-centric) with the wing (XwX configuration) as an identifier is separate from tritype configuration that is a stack of different cores from the gut-heart-head groups and make up to "represents the ego’s preferred defense strategy" (so it goes outward in "response" and might mostly be nurture-centric of how it was developed). So having a 4 at the tail-end of my tritype will not mean that I prefer a w4 for an identification for my core enneagram self identifier since they're separate from each other and are identifiers for different aspects of my ego.
I know my Ti comes in very strong when I’m challenging some of the establishment ideologies, like wokeism and neo-Marxist political systems