INTP Personality Type Advice
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- In this episode, Joel and Antonia dive deep into the needs and challenges of the INTP personality type.
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There's pain, and it's always there. In the background. Compartmentalized. Not overwhelming, because it's not what I'm focused on.
How about inviting the two well-respected INTPs for a live q&a?
As someone who is a tad bit older, I find this deeply insightful.
As an INTP I have basically "learned" how to get to know people which now comes natural/ easy. The thing is that if I want to get to know someone I make it my mission to understand them and when I do- I get bored... most of my relationships are also deep one sided. I know everything about the person and the person don't really know much about me.
Eh, trust me, they aren’t worth knowing. You know what they say: “A friend in need...is a pest”.
Hehe....yes, I do agree. But maybe we are the curious ones. Most people might be ok with certain level of ‘understanding’ the other...in a kind of Pareto way: “I’m ok with 67%, more might be consuming and not bringing that much emotional gain.” On the other side, we may have the same atitute regarding communication (you’ll have to take time to explain why point A is connected to point blue, so...don’t bother) ...
im always bored. cursed?
I still find plenty of fulfillment getting to know myself... cos nobody else on the face of the Earth gives half as much of a shit about me, as I do. And trust me, I can barely stand the bitch.
This is probably to due more with instinctual variants I'm INTP 5w6 so/sp and we're prone to go through a similar experience to what you described
That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be.
Except that we all have subjective truths, despite out best efforts to be objective. Thanos thought his truth was doing what was right but in reality he was just a mass murderer
PickledButton2
Notice that you said “in reality”
Why?
Hate Speech
Because lies are inherently impermanent. If we deny truth, we will be destroyed by it when lies fail us. You can tell yourself the dam is holding all you like, the dam is still not holding, and when the river floods your city, you’ll regret you told yourself that.
A-fuckin-men
This is too long-INTP
Listen on 2x
It's interesting though
Lmaoo
I can't stand anyone babbling either. It should be short and to the point, like bullet points
exactly
People do not understand INTPs it’s not about being the best and/or gratitude it’s about truth.
Sometimes it's about an interesting lie too.
Georgios Moutafis i’m such a bad lier so much so that i’ve constructed whole social complex from it; i really need to fix that oops
SXPS can’t relate I’m an INTP and tbh I’m a borderline pathological liar
DVRKMVZTXR 963 yeah that’s what I was saying, bad as in not a good person lol
SXPS ohhhh I thought you meant you were a bad liar
"Give the gift of discomfort." Oh yeah. People call it a gift alright. I've gotten some really interesting looks from giving this "gift" to people.
I know what you mean, but INCREDIBLY enlightening thing is what she says right after.
Like loosing jobs, get cops after you etc,, yeah, that "gift" better have a nice lie wrapped around it, so they want to unpack it themselves. Sounds like a paradox, but it works surprisingly well at times.
i make people uncomfortable.
It’s 1:20am and I died laughing at this.
Hehe... tell me about it!!
Show up all childlike and then you drop truth bombs no one wants to hear. This has the tendency to make people leary around you. Everyone is worried you see through them and they'll be next on the chopping block.
yep, true.
@HW Chong totally ! omg
Thanks for saying this! I thought I must be some kind of phony or something and keep doing it through out the years, unable to really stop! What a relief and joy to know its my personality type along with others! Ya- hoo!!
That's cause they are! (Chop Chop!)
Kids, poking people's insecurities isn't difficult, and it isn't cool. It's just rude and offensive. If you buy into the MBTI-concept, then go do a quick scour through the different types. Notice how there are a number of other types who are considerably better at reading people than the INTP? Yet somehow it's always the immature INTP's online, boasting how they can act like jerks and how it's a part of their personality and how it's so cool and funny.
Frankly, it's just pathetic.
Wow, thank you so much for this. As an INTP female, I have never fit in or connected anywhere. I've always been the weirdo that isn't cool enough and gets left out of everything. I thought something was wrong with me and have literally spent my entire life acting exactly the opposite of an INTP. I've recently been learning this stuff the past year and it has changed my life. I can be myself and there's nothing wrong with that, so thank you.
As an afab INTP non-binary person, it has been the same for me. I've felt this social pressure to fit into this role of "how a woman should be like" that I didn't fit in at all, that I've built an internal wall between my feelings of being different and my real personality, became afraid of not appearing girlish enough, and hated myself for how I was back when I was still in "open mode", being childlike and fascinated by the world, before I retracted into my reserved, lonely, cynical shell. But over time those feelings resurfaced, and at first I was very confused but then I analyzed them and now I find myself becoming more childlike again more often.
@@chaotic_enby2625 How does one be an INTP and begin their sentence with "As a [insert variable here], [insert paraphrase of "based on the previous variable, I have unique information based purely on emotional experience rather than touching on anything remotely objective, and thus, should be taken more seriously]"?
You sir, or madam, or whatever your absurdly arbitrary pronoun choice purports to be, have besmirched our INTP honour that we care for so little.
@@trickz2795 I don't get how my comment is worse than the original comment in that regard. The first comment is also "not touching on anything remotely objective". So I don't get how I have "besmirched our INTP honour". Your comment makes no logical sense. All I can see in it is your enbyphobia.
Trickz You seem a lot less INTP to me than the person above, starting by the fact that your first question is just stupid. It's like those kind of questions no INTP ever wants to hear, as it's simply logical that there are INTP's out there that might start their comment by "as an INTP", taking into consideration all the amount of people there are in the world. Not to say that if you watch a lot of these kind of videos you'll find many INTP's who start with such said sentence.
yi I agree with you. Their comment makes no sense at all and I don't think they are INTP either.
I think one of the challenges for us (INTP's) is that we actually relish the evolution of our thought. Personally I love it when I receive a new idea or tool of thought that forces me to re-evaluate my entire conceptual paradigm.
ISTGG this is so trueeeee
"We need you all to show up." - Immediately a subconscious "Nope." came out. Sounds like someone who wants to hop on board and try to steer my ship. -INTP
Amen!!!!!
Yeah, that's a female idea. "Help everybody!!!"
F that
I strongly relate to this oppositional defiance, lol. I think the best thing I developed as an INTP is the ability to screen ideas and people without rejecting them right away. I feel like a LOT Of growth I've gone through is only after fighting that reflexive, oppositional demon impulse.
@@vazzaroth Yeah I think there is a big difference between considering an idea / people and being told you have to do it that way. I think the best solution for me is to involving me early on in the thought-process and letting me come up with an agreeable solution, rather than accepting someone else's.
Thats why I have such a problem with SJW's . telling me how I should think and if I do not I am the problem - "Sounds like someone who wants to hop on board and try to steer my ship. -INTP" simple and awesome . Thanks
Who else paused the video from time to time to debate in their own head? :D
Worse... I hit a point paused it and wrote an entire "no... your under standing is lack luster..."
Nah, I debate out loud on my own.
@@george18almonte same but I do this all the even when watching a show/anime and my whole family finds it weird and I can't help it.
No, I kept pausing to do other stuff 🤪
@@heioca9556 paused it to start thinking about other stuff while I was driving
According to Socionics the blind spot of an INTP is Se. Fe is the suggestive function of an INTP. Meaning INTPs will alter their behavior and what they say based on how it makes others feel. Yet because they don't know what others feel outside their own personal experiences they often dont succeed at not offending people.
Yup felt this
@Jared Vaughan "According to Socionics the blind spot of an INTP is Se. Fe is the suggestive function of an INTP."
You get them wrong way around. Suggestive function = dual-seeking function of intp's is Se. Fe is intp's PoLR function, intp's hate using it.
INTP HACK: Accelerate the playback speed so you can tolerate the timespan.
👍
Its still so boring
To increase information density in time
Wow, this is too accurate. As a guy it's been a lonely uphill battle, but getting out and intentionally reaching out to others is healing.
INTP's in my opinion, excel in relationships is because they can resonate with others without compromise or pandering. It's because of that analytical ability to really get inside other's heads, mostly out of curiosity, and end up having a great time with them.
But, I do stay clear of having too many close friends. It can be exhausting.
Agree. I am on a journey of figuring out how to have acquaintances since i am all or nothing type. It is very frustrating at the workplace.😱
@@sagea2042 I am all or nothing type too!’
This podcast is the best thing Ive heard in the 2+decades of my life. Thank you for giving us INTP woman some hope on how to go through this life. feeling like the odd duck amongst other woman is an understatement.
Hey! I have a channel on intp women. I don’t know if anything I say will be of value, as it is just my own perspective, but I do talk about the specific struggles of intp females if you’re interested
"Life is absurd." That is where I am at.
Always has been
@@clydeberry8523 and will always be
As an INTP-A woman I learnt how to deal with people on a surface level by trying to read their body language and intentions, smiling and being polite...so far is working
Wow same thing work for me I'm also an intp girl
@@ilakmenkurbah8826 INTP male here I do smile when I am in public but when I was younger it never worked for me because it was a fake smile and didn't work. Now i have had many good interactions I can genuinely be happy and smiling at people and its this feeling that they can't stop but smiling back which makes it even easier. Body language is easy to read now and intentions with speech and body language took longer as not everyone matches up the same. (i have done security for 10+ years various places)
But it was just a light switch when I realized people dont want to see other people in distress and if you look like you are will be treated poorly which then makes the person even more in distress. They were talking about happy INTP is because of the good reactions people give us give us good feeling from our FE so its a upward spiral.
I do that to, it works but it's hard to connect on personal level
"Oohh an INTP advice video~"
*sees the **1:14:46*
"ight imma head out"
*added to "Watch later" ;)
Lmfao
Three kinds of “watch later” playlists now...😞
yeah, good luck with that podcast haha!
I just listened to it while I worked
Showing up is important to INTPs... it's just that we like to show up on our OWN terms... we don't dutifully show up.
Im an ENFJ, My Girlfriend is an INTP. she's hard to read sometimes but a great girl. Ive only Begun this podcast but Im hoping this'll help me better meet her needs.
That's really sweet 💖 I'm sure she appreciates it
I'm intp and my husband is esfj . He provides me tons of alone time.
Your amazing. She loves you for the effort
You are a sweetheart
Don't be afraid to ask and talk to her. As an INTP I am more than happy to explain myself to help my SO better understand me. I expect a level of understanding from my partner and would rather they come to me than to flounder, but I won't reach out to explain myself as I hate making things about me (yeah, I know...).
Thank you Antonia for your recognition of how people and society sees INTPs. Everyone hates accuracy so a strong feeling of alienation has been growing for a while. Crying in my break room at work right now because I've never heard anyone say that. Thank you so much.
Ouch dude. That’s hard. You have your brain and air in your lungs it’s only a matter of time till you figure it out.
❤️❤️❤️it sucks.
@@jellydarling1008 I’m gonna put that quite as my screensaver
I was thinking what I could say to help. All I could think of is that yeah, it freaking sucks, but the people I’ve found who think the same way have become my best friends and I open up to them and them alone. My safety net. Hang in there, friend.
As a female INTP I purposely stay in my bubble because then people want to be my friend and absorb my time. lol. I don't like that I'm like that but that is just how I feel. Having friends is super exhausting.
Agree with friends and siblings I feel like I have no time. I feel like a ass for saying i wish I was all alone.
factsss
I love the Shiva comparison. We're considered architects or builders but really we're surgeons. We CAN build or synthesize but really we're here to analyze.
We're here to learn through destruction. That's why I prefer to call INTPs logicians, philosophers, or analyzers rather than architects.
100% a philosopher, agreed.
I take things apart to understand how they work. Always have. My parents would be infuriated with me because by Christmas afternoon I had the screwdrivers out taking my presents apart. Never put things back together. Taking them apart was way more fun anyway. lol
Analyze, then edit to be better.
Thank you guys, especially Antonia when you talked about the isolated INTP who has trouble connecting with other people and can become a cynic. You said INTP's "...approach the world with enthusiasm... but I think it gets beaten out of them.." I almost cried. This is so true.
I think a lot of us become cynical because of repeated backlash in our efforts to care and express love. It becomes easier to crawl inside a hole to just live and die as comfortably as we can. I desperately want to help people find the solutions they can't see, but I can. Nothing hurts quite like showing someone love and having them misinterpret it thinking that you're trying to hurt them. It makes you feel pretty broke.
It's like being a pure loving person who's touch is poisonous, and listening to someone berate you for never showing them afffection, and then them not believing you when you tell them about your condition. To take it further, it's watching them be scared of you when you finally prove it and explain that you never touched them because your touch is poisonous.
this is accurate to me. Ive been trying to help my younger sister in her life, getting her life back on track and whatnot, but she won't accept the truth about her life. I never lie to her, I always tell her the truth even though it pisses her off but it's needed if she wants to improve her situation. She claims that I'm trying to hurt her or attack her when really I'm just telling her the blunt truth because I love her and I'm the last person in the family that will entertain with her issues I didn't just do this out of nowhere, I watched other people also try to help her and I saw that she doesn't respond to people being nice and coddling her. She takes advantage of those people. I want to help her but I will not tell her white lies to make her feel good.
I understand that pain but we shall prevail.
Well said.
This is too long for an INTP. To get us to pay attention, this should be sectioned off into different parts for each topic. We procrastinate alot but we don't like to, so when we see a video of 1:14:46, it's inexcusable.
TH-cam does have a 1.5x or 2x speed function, it's totally excusable here and now.
A cynic would say: "hur hur A _ReAl_ iNtP woUlD jUSt *cReATe tHe TiMeSTaMpS **_tHeMseLvEs"_*
Haha true
That depends on how motivated one is to know these truths and disect it one self. I've watched/studied it at least 4 times+ today. Im motivated by the usefulness and the zest its bringing back to me. Yes!. All I need is a motivation and I don't feel the time passing! Yes!! uh-oh I'm being the cynic here aren't I ? still in training....
@@katrinaporter5173 not being a cynic. I just wasn't that motivated if I'm honest.
"We're on to you intp."
Me to my henchmen: Destroy them. (Pets evil cat, that I'm allergic to.)
HAHAHAHA
I am also allergic to cats.
@@Kleanex cats are probably allergic to cats.
Underrated comment 😂😂😂
Same!!!!
As an INTP I feel this is SO accurate! I express my love for humanity in my writing. I want so much to help people be happy by them reading and enjoying my writing I also do it because I love just doing it, I love improving and expressing myself and learning more about myself by writing characters that are aspects of myself. I do it without monetary gain and while I would love to one day be published and earn money from it, if just one person reads my work and enjoys it, it makes me so happy.
This is unbelievable accurate for 2 non-INTPs, haha. My only critique I disagree with: Saying INTPs aren't great at seeing big picture. Instead, I posit that we suck at the mid-picture. We're great at small details and seeing beneath the beneath or between the lines (Some of my favorite sayings) and I think we're generally pretty naturally capable of seeing big pictures... or at least understanding big pictures once it's presented. I feel like I have a hard time wielding both at once, to get a "complete" view or understanding.
More accurately, I struggle to EXPLAIN myself in a mid-range way. I'm either full details, or so overarching that I tend to use vocabulary in VERY specific ways that is so info-rich, that people who don't have my exact same understanding of those words gets confused, or the wrong take-away.
It's extremely frustrating to go through life with people asking you things, then getting annoyed when your explanations are too accurate, or you have to "dumb down" your presentations enough that you lose fidelity of data and you wonder why they even asked. (Reality check: A lot of times, they didn't, lol.) Even in this comment, I'm allowing myself to speak/type the way I do on the /r/INTP reddit rather than the persona I put on in basically every other context. My life online is a constant struggle to stay off of /r/iamverysmart while still actualizing my truth, lol.
intp leads with introverted thinking, followed by extroverted intuition. this makes it so we can see many possibilities at once with our Ne, but our Ti/Si makes us obsess over details. so that's why it's extra hard for us to communicate our thoughts in a way other people can understand. and having Fe as inferior doesn't help at all. if we can train ourselves to get a better grasp of our Ne by unlocking the Te/Se shadow functions of our unconscious, it'll be a lot easier for us to explain our complex thoughts to people in a way they can understand. and this way we won't be mislabeled as being short-sighted or "not seeing the big picture".
No inbetween 😂
Well I understood everything you said here and it made a lot of sense. I agree. It’s that middle ground that’s hard. It’s like the barbed wire between the trenches
This is not me telling you what to do, this is an explanation of our functional purpose, the goal that will make it worth it to deal with the negatives.
As INTPs we must be strong and fearless, it is our responsibility to open our hearts, connect with others, tell them things they don't want to hear, but are actually good for them to know and understand, and then not take it personally, or be emotionally harmed if they reject us in fear of disgust.
We are the warriors of knowledge, doomed to walk alone with a heavy burden, and never have the peace of being sure we are ultimately right. We take huge risks to do thankless work. Let us at least do it with style.
Beautifully said. Say all things with love, but say them nonetheless.
It would be better if we had a partner in crime. I think INTPs should date each other. And, I loved the idea Antonia had of finding our own tribe. I found Objectivism. Libertarianism, and FOSS/Linux and felt an instant connection - though nothing is perfect. These groups are full of free-thinking rebels who usually have above-average IQs and backbones, too.
Never doubt your self. Take a second look sure, think, justify, and change, but never doubt yourself.
I gave a disclaimer too! Lol I didn’t want to sound too harsh
I like the way you think.
16:00
The story of my life. At school, I try to avoid sharing my opinions because people get upset.
I only give my unique perspective to those whom I intuit can receive it. I go years in between sharing. I do have my enfj husband who deeply cares about my needs so he listens to me and respect me deeply irrespective of his understanding or even caring about the topic.
Unless you have the right audience or interject humor into it. My science teacher liked me so much that she wanted me to date her son....which is good, because I already liked him. But, yeah, my honesty freaked a lot of people out and still does.
About that IT person they were talking about: I think this is a thing that happens when you're around compsci people a lot. As pretty much everyone there is introverted and/or nerdy, you learn to come out of your shell and be more open as those people are just like you, which leads to you getting used to social behavior just as described in the podcast. I've only started studying computer science recently, but it has already led me to be less shy and socially anxious, and made me enjoy unleashing my internal nerd on the world as everyone there is like that and there's no one that could be judging you to be afraid of.
INTP becoming a cynic or getting an attitude or having a chip on the shoulder describes me very well. In my younger years I wanted to be a "nice, normal" person and people and family kept telling me why I am so weird and antisocial and I was relentlessly bullied, even got forced to go to the psychodoc by my mom. I finally had my moment of awakening when I was around 26, after extensive self study and meditation where the word "introvert" kept appearing. And I finally understood, I am normal, and they are the shitheads.
Nowadays I definitely have confidence and can get an attitude. When people try to start the same shit they did in my younger years, I literally tell them that if they don't like what I am saying, get f--ked and keep walking. I don't give a single shit anymore.
Yup, I’m 54 now, not trying to impress anyone and unimpressed by how most people process anything remotely complex. Seeing how people approached the information around covid was shocking to me and accelerated the process of de-socialising. Improv? Fuck off! Now I’m not trying to get laid or forge a career I would rather read a book than interact, most of the time with most people. Sorrree! 😮
my obesrvation is that people hate hard truths, people more often than not prefer to live in fairy tales.
As an Intp who listens to podcasts often, I’d say that this is a long one indeed, but it’s super informative and inspiring, more than most shorter videos.
Ive watched many videos about INTPs and this one was the most warm and insightful. Thank you.
Great info. I wish there was info like this readily available when I was younger.
I am one of those INTPs who was raised in a single-parent (mother) home and had it hammered into me every day that something was wrong with me, why I couldn't be more like my brother and sister; if something was wrong with my brain and that's why I take so long to answer a "simple question", or always behind on the conversation, etc...
Even now as an adult my wife keeps telling me her friends tell her I'm weird.
Infact, that's what led me to look for some videos on INTPs... To learn how to "fix" myself.
But thanks to this video, I understand it's more about rounding out my cognitive functions than "fixing" anything (at least that's how I heard it).
Subscribed.
Yes Im told Im slow to react…. That why cant I quickly answer simple questions … and being implied that Im ditzy
Also why cant you just answer yes or no… inside Im like but Nooooo!
As an INTP I always thought of myself as intelligent, but I have observed others that truly come across as genius, and I never believed I was in that class. One example is the game of chess. I know how to play, but was never any good at it. Now I understand the reason. I can't make instantaneous decisions; I have to explore every possibility to the point where I can never make a move. Si function keeps me thinking linearly, so instantly thinking 10 steps ahead just doesn't happen. This is the realm of a computer. When I try to overcome this and be more spontaneous, I lose--and lose quickly. It took me a lifetime to finally discover this, but at least now I know.
Have you found any solutions to this inability to be spontaneously decisive?
@@iDEADLY68 Nope.
@@MrTrashcan1 ah me neither. Its difficult sometimes. Knowing there's a thousand possibilities that could be correct, but you simply can't choose one.
@@iDEADLY68 It's getting worse. And it's becoming lose-lose. I get stuck in analysis paralysis. And still make the wrong decision. And then end up in regret paralysis--which is worse. I don't know how to break out of it. My poor wife tries to drag me out of it and into the future with her. It works for a while, and then I return--because something reminds me and triggers it again. The only thing that works is time--memories fade with time and are replaced with new experiences. But that takes time. 🙂
As an INTP while growing up, I saw a lot of people around me get fooled by the bragging and phoniness of some people. It always baffles me why MANY people choose to trust certain individuals with obvious phoniness. In my work experience, I have always saw so many company mistakes can be avoided if the management can just stop listening the obvious BS sales talks they have been fed with. But there is nothing I can do about it.
You are gathering data. It will be useful later. You'll see
i'm an intp and i'm so fucking lost, like I'm doing nothing all the day, no life, no friends, no experiences, no relationship, nothing, kind of thinking to make an end to my life, I couldn't do anything, I'm desperate right now!!!!!
U still alive?
Wanna chat ?
I'm intp female and hate math and science. What exactly is a number? It's not just a quantity. I can't wrap my mind around it. I analyse people . I analyse philosophy and thoughts, belief, aoproaches to things. So fun! I love to see people step outside their box, expand. It happens occasionally. And it happens with me. I am willing to be uncomfortable , as said in this video. I must expand. I consider myself a high level intp. Also , and of course, I don't interact with the people much but I have taught myself to. EVerythi g from afar and detached.
Best advice for INTP's is let people know how you are early on when they get to know you. People will appreciate you more and help you to open up on your own terms.
And dang 😭 you released this on podcast in 2015! Wish I had heard it then.
The story of the sys admin INTP sounds like a story of a very mature INTP. Improving oneself is a stereotypical XNTJ trait so he hadprobably already done a fair bit of work on himself by that point to be seeking improvement.
He'd be a great example of what an INTP can become but not what you're likely to find.
I think he is an example of what an INTP can be like when they've healed their emotional wounds (which isn't exactly our strength) and have been in a supporting environment of likeminded people. I study computer science, and from my experience there's a huge amount of people who are like that there. Compsci somehow tends to attract INTPs and personality types that are closely related or harmonize well with INTPs. In such an environment where the large majority of people are nerdy introverts who have had very similar experiences in life it becomes easier for them to open up to each other, and that's when they become pretty much exactly like the sys admin described in the podcast.
"I know two INTPs that are like totally worshipped... oh yeah, they're also super rich."
to be fair, you have to schmooze a lot of people to *get* rich. people don't fork over their money to a**holes usually. If you are extraordinarily beautiful or talented, this changes what I just said.
@Kiki or maybe I've just hung out with the super rich
I hope my INTP will know how much I care and is willing to understand him. So here I am, listening to this 1 hr podcasts and taking down notes to understand this person. 😌
35 minutes in perfectly describes how I feel as a person, life is absurd. Why am I doing anything? Why would I do anything? I have no motivation to do anything and it really sucks. I'm almost positive this line of thinking is why I'm so unmotivated too.
Same. I have children who give me the what to do. When they are grown,I'll be back in bed all day. But that's not helpful over time.
As a 14 year old. Watching anime is what really motivates me to do anything
This is a VERY good INTP video. As an INTP, I am SO thankful that this video was done. It is SOOO hard to find a video of high quality.
INTPs! This is worth the watch!!!! Just do it. You'll be thankful. I know it's a lot.
I heard 10 words, after I’m thinking what else should I be watching right now
It's like my ears picks up every a couple of words but others pass me by muted.
Just found out I'm apparently an INTP-T. I love science but my main thing is playing the guitar, and I was an artist in the games industry for 20odd years.
A little late but Science is definitely what I’m into too! Another thing that I‘ve been enjoying for years now is dancing as it double as both an exercise and having fun inside my home although I’ve never really shown my interest in it to others, I do it for myself.
I definitely share your interest in the world of science, but i lack the aptitude to commit myself to it on a professional level.
@@rithrius5384 Neither did I. I started doing a science degree about ten years ago, and was nailing it for the first year or so, then I lost my addiction and went back to music etc. I also realised I wouldn't enjoy doing science as an actual job, and was happier in the games industry.
@@raaavl I was terrible at everything at school, no attention span. I was about 40 when I started my science degree. I read a lot popular science books, and always regretted not going to university. So I thought I'd a go. Open University.
I am an INTP-T , i been depressive all my life because i always felt i wasnt part of the rest of society , i never understood how socialisation work ,especialy with the opposite sex , at 28 i made a big depression when i realised i will never have childrens and a family , i been diagnosed with autism and generalised anxiety. They gave me Abilify but the thing was making me into someone else and was driving me insane,so i stop taking them.Im 37 years old now, a virgin and no friends,i cuted myself from the rest of society 10 years ago. I learned i was an INTP-T last year ,it opened my eyes , after some research i found that my type of personality can work well with other type of personality like INTJ,INFJ and ENFP.So it gave me hope that i can maybe socialise and maybe have a relationship. I dont believe the guy you descibed at the begining was a INTP-T IF he is even an INTP he is an INTP-A with a big A.INTP-T fear to much rejection to do anything you described.
rodgod82 I relate so much with the first part of your comment!
Your story is eerily similar to my own. I am in my mid 40's. I've been diagnosed with all sorts of labels over my years and have been prescribed various drugs that were supposed to help but in reality just kill our greatest gifts and numb our senses.
INTP-T female married to an INFJ. For a long time I thought I'd end up alone with too many cats but then one day I met my future husband while gaming. They are out there and the type chemistry is real.
@@kzdrvc What things have helped you so far since discovering this about yourself?
This has been one of the most insightful interpretations of the INTP. Thank you.
I did your MBTI personality test online and always thought I was on ENFP, however (after answering honestly) I came out as an INTP; and the world just makes sense.
Really appreciate your insights, this was a great analysis.
I'd love to hear what you INTPs have been dealing with the past few years? I have literally destroyed (not necessarily negatively meant) countless different subjects over the years, so hard I have consumed certain contents and put myself into them in a crazy rush that i almost understood anything of a topic to the points that i had the feeling "okay i could go further but i pretty much know the end, and with that it instantly ends and a sad bored state get in place before i hyped up for the next. Almost like a puzzle.
I feel that. I can barely read a book completely since after 50% i kinda know how it ends :D
Same problem instantly bored and then sad that I didn't finish it...
Weird world
Corona means I was locked in my house going around and around in my head. So first I obsessed with Russian literature and learning Russian, then with the Rubic cube before deciding I will move country when this finishes.
The learning Russian thing has me talking to strangers in other countries... it feels less awkwards than in English.
Thank you for publishing this and tweeting about it. It was your tweet that brought me here. This is very much a blessing to me!
Thank you for taking the time to make this informative podcast. I'm an INTP woman and It ain't easy. So many points resonated with me. I think the finding like souls is so crucial. Nobody gets me and yeah I've kind of got to the point where I've given up on that. Like oh that's my lot in life it's okay I'll just carry on. You offer valuable tips thanks again.
just dont assume im arrogant for having thoughts, thanks
Wow, you guys insight into personality typology for me is honestly on the top of the best judgements I’ve come across. I’ve been reading this stuff for years and you guys nail everything on the head!
The absurdity part was so funny beyond when ever someone does absurd shit just for the hell of it I lose it.
And speaking how INTPs need to get uncomfortable is so true. Ive grown so much but getting uncomfortable and integrating my emotions into my life. I can thank my ENFJ girlfriend for helping me on the second part.
Great video, best one I’ve seen.
Allow me to crash in like an INTP:
The lesson of the Salem Witch Trials is not "religion is evil" (that's a very recent interpretation)
In actuality, it's that the tearful testimony of women (or in this case, young teenage girls), is not actual substantive evidence. Every single victim of the Witch trials (young teenage girl) was accused by a young teenage girl and their tearful testimony.
But with #believewomen running around, is it any wonder we didn't learn shit
I don't think that's it. Wether someone is a young woman or an old man doesn't matter, it's more about the fact that people's testimonies are not always the most reliable source as people are easily manipulated. It's also that a community can act like an echo chamber that manipulates people into accepting outlandish ideas as truth.
Ahhhh my people. 🧐
Surely it was just purely an example of basic vindictiveness and mob hysteria and therefore the absolute necessity of a common basis on which to base public law - logic, rationality and the beyond reasonable doubt doctrine. Funny how history goes in circles is it not?
BURN THE MISOGYNIST WITCH
@@focusinc Can't believe I found my people too!! Love you guys!! and for the first time I'm not having a confused worry about knowing I'm going to turn around and seem different. Bringing love, then bringing unwelcome gifts.... Im talking about this to people who understand completely.... Am I dreaming? That's okay , don't wake me!
1:14:46 long video? maybe i will watch it next time i have more free time.
for now, I just want to enjoy my time doing nothing...
I’m an INTP I agree with your comments on stories. I believe that something happens and we make up a story about it. Our stories are often made up out of our fears, limited beliefs, experiences, observations. If our experiences are limited, our stories will most likely be limited. It leaves us unable to create stories that delight or give us power in our lives. Thanks for sharing this with us.
@32:05 As an INTP this is true, motivation is tough for me to muster and 99% of the time I need to logically convince myself of future benefits to pursue my goals which I have no motivation for. 😐
Over years, I've defined my 3 top personal values as Honesty, Integrity, and Harmony. I didn't know how harmony fit into "me", but this discussion helped. Thank you for making that connection with INTPs.
One of out best qualities is being unreadable. I love completely surprising people just by being me.
Okay, you said this is the gift, so here it goes:
1) getting out of your comfort zone does not guarantee that you will be cheerful. It’s your attitude, in or out, of your comfort zone, that will.
2) just because others invalidate your opinion because you haven’t “gone through the same thing,” doesn’t mean your advice is wrong to what you say is incorrect. Ultimately, it is up to them to determine if they want to use your advice or not. You may convince them slightly more if they know you’ve been through it, but that comes back to how much you want them to change their lives or beliefs based on what you say. The question is, do I really care if they change their views or beliefs based off of my assertions? Because ultimately, I cannot force another person to change, nor is it my job. I am in charge of myself.
I love your podcast but I fear you’re using an emotional argument against a populace that is not motivated by the emotions of others increasing in positivity.
I wasn’t going to say it so blunt, but ya told me to! Lol
Being an INTP it is less "analytical" and more "pattern" based. Maybe that is part of the Intuition part of it. I work as an analyst for complex systems. I hate all the detail but I know how all the pieces fit together. It is a pattern I hold in my head. When something happens that brings my pattern into question I am actually disoriented (and a little panicked) until I can truly understand the deviance and form a new pattern.
Oh god how much I feel the first part.
I'm basically the guy you first spoke about (I even started the theater class for self improvement)... Fact is that I considered the classes as a game and I was really good at, once I entered the class I was a totally different person(being the most fun enjoyable person I could possibly be). Once the "play time" is over though I return the one I was before, and I used to feel a strange feeling of connection with the people I was playing. God I wish it was that easy in normal life
The different scalings corresponding with accuracy for closer inspection and exploration for a more scaled out view was really interesting! Thank you, I'll start being more conscious about how I choose my modes of attention
As an older INTP, I have greatly enjoyed your input. The only thing I find a difference with, is the idea of joining online communities to find friends. This is terribly frustrating (painfully so) area for me, due to having to wade through so much bullshit, to find the occasion nugget of value. Most of these young INTP TH-cam authors are just "winers", or their verbal communication skills actually display examples as to what others find so difficult when interacting with INTP types. Some often talk so esoterically, so long, without stopping to take a breath, that even as a PhD scientist (able to deal with complex stuff), they just can't hold my attention.
Did you struggle with laziness when you were an undergraduate? If so, how did you overcome it?
As an INTP woman i find it really difficult to communicate with people both women and men because they expect me to be all excited and overreact at everything like men think women do. I told some fimale friend of mine thetruth about how her not thinking before she said things to people hurt peoples feelings. So got really mad at me even though I tried to tell her that in the nicest way possible. After she told me she wasn't expecting to hear that from such a close friend. Idk what to do cuz now she is trying to find the things I do wrong and tell me so that I can feel as bad as she felt at that moment. Luckily for me I don't have any things that I find wrong that I am doing except of not showing emotions a lot and always telling the truth even if it hurts. I said all this not to complain about the situation, but only to share my story to people that may have the same problem. And just so you know I just avoid whatever she says and try to become better not to prove that I am better than her but only for me to feel better with myself and happier. (Also because I usually don't show when I am happy she and many other people think I am always sad but that's not true.)
I am a INTP that is graduated in microbiology, with a master degree in chemical Engineering, that teaches math. We can be anything, and most of the time we are everything at the same time.
Either you're being sarcastic or you're some sort of Tony Stark cause...... "Graduated in Microbiology, Masters in chem Engg. and teaches math"? how do you even expect me to believe that?
@@sijiharold2045 True history.
@@marcusviniciusmagalhaesdea3779 damn. That's impressive
Life is ridiculous so why do anything, definitely. I love Rush, so glad I got to see them four times, RIP Neil Peart
You two are very intelligent individuals. Thank-you for this video. Was entertaining and educational.
You both make it sound as though we're pretty messed up. That we need to fit in. That we need to fit into a different mold that society will be more accepting of us. I have plenty of other thoughts on what you covered but in typical INTP fashion I think I'll just keep them to myself. One more thing.... Oh, never mind.
Yup - ‘if you’re on top of your game’ people will like you better’. Meh
wow! you guys are so on point! I'd be happy to have a conversation with you regarding giving our personal stories back to the world and yes! I am incredibly childlike and joyful. We have to be, to balance out the oh so serious x
TRULY what INTPs hate the MOST is being angry, it's the emotion we avoid the most. We LOVE being bitter, frustrated, or annoyed, we HATE being angry.
Playback speed of 1.5 works very well for this
An ENTP is probably one of the only types who can effectively teach an INTP so I appreciate that. In all this video is like gold and every second inspires me as an INTP. Thank you.
Whoa. I’m not an INTP but I was listening to this while I was sleeping and it was so insightful that I woke up. It felt like I unlocked a secret treasure and I gained a new skill. Pretty awesome.
"I think the role that they play might be kinda THINKLESS" Me being an intp reacted like WHAT and played it again several times. Then based on what she said later I concluded "oh, thankless! Yeah that's perfectly accurate"
This was a great video, i even cried at one point due to how much i related to everything that's been said. I haven't cried in 3 years, felt good thanks.
Awesome video! Thank you! As a female INFJ studying my male INTP this also resonates with me and the tribe/friend dilemma.
I'm glad I listened to it all, took me a bit to get into it, but was worth it, thanks.
Well fellow INTPs, if I understand correctly your gift is what makes you replusive ?
It certainly can although there are lots of things that can do it.
I believe I've gotten people to dislike me for my lack of attention to the physical world as well.
We're nothing if not contradictory
Hahahahaha
Yes
INTPs interested in the Social sciences, including personality typology, are mostly Enneagram 5w4. Those interested in the hard sciences are mostly 5w6. According to Darionardi an INTP brain interested in the hard sciences looks more like an INTJ brain interested in the hard sciences than an INTP brain interested in the soft sciences. I'm a 5w4 INTP and studied history in university. My dad is a 5w6 INTP and studied physics/chemistry in university. Bill Gates is a 5w6 INTP and therefore likely has little interest in personality typology.
Huh. Interesting. Feel free to add me to your INTP 5w4 that's more interested in soft sciences data set. The way I conceptualize things is less about whether the field of study is soft or hard or not, it's whether it's focused on how the physical world operates or on human beings operate. There's just these perky things called ethics that keep the latter category from being any harder. While I was super interested in learning about the physical world as a child and a teen; as a young adult I came to the conclusion that there's really not much point in learning how to make better "stuff " if we can't first make societies that use their stuff responsibly.
Is Gates really a P though? He seems more J to me. As in significantly better at pursuing his crackpot goals than ever fully scrutinizing them.
I feel more like an Enneagram 4, not sure which w, I thought it would be 3 but need to look into it more deeply to be sure.
At 23 I was officially tested as an INTP.
All online tests, like the 16 personalities one, give me INFJ. I bet that is 'trauma response '. I highly resonated with having the playful joyful inquisitive kid beaten out of me, not literally but the message to take it down a notch was pervasive, it sometimes feels like being a broken spirit ex wild horse or something.
The finding the tribe, that is like my lifetime mission, it asks for showing up authentically/in touch with your true self in the first place, and there comes that trauma again that has influenced development of a lot of 'not-self', as they say in Human Design.
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Thank you guys so much for all of the information and insight. You have no idea the amount of lives you are helping
We INTP's can be very social and animated but only when we talk about what we are passionate about. Personally I am incapable if small talk.
You are spot-on in saying what my experience has been. Especially, concerning people not valuing my contribution. But if I take a step back, it is me that didn't value it. Telling someone on a peer level they are wrong is really only asking for an argument. I often felt I need to be more charismatic. Work them around to my way of thinking. But, it is on a hiding to nothing.
We live in a 'what do you think?' culture. TV news programs even ask people to send in their thoughts on news subjects!
If I respect my knowledge, then I will seek to have a classroom and create the rules of the classroom. Otherwise, I am just casting my pearls before those who do not want to know. I shouldn't be surprised if people trample them underfoot or bite my hand. The internet makes it very easy for each person to create their own 'classroom.' Google makes it very easy for those who want to know what you have to offer to find your class.
I really love this as an INTP hoping you'll keep posting quality content, thumbs up! ^^
I think I may have been mistyped as an INFP because I am a bit more caring than most stereotypical INTP but I've discovered I am an INTP. The reason I identify as an INTP more now is because I seek out what works best over what feels best for instance I decided to learn how to write a screenplay and the first thing I did was find the best story structure to work from. If I was a feeler I would just write from feeling and not care about the best way to do it. I even bought the INFP starter kit after doing multiple tests and being typed INFP! but after a few videos about the INTP, it is literally explaining my life. Communicating better with people is a major issue I've been working on for years. I search for experts in all areas and learn from them that is why I am here in fact. I wanted to learn what my personality is and go from there in order to fix myself. Unfortunately, I have been working from the assumption that I'm an INFP when this whole time I've been an INTP, frustrating. I hate and am terrible at maths though? I do like to speak the truth but I'm nowhere near as smart as Sheldon from the big bang theory?
You hit the nail on the head with the Absurdism take. Thank you for understanding us.
15:25 Damn! Shivji is my favourite God and for reasons I felt really inclined towards him and now you put the scientific lens over it, specifically the destruction needed before creation!
This is TH-cam at its best: being able to learn useful, relevant and eye-opening information with no need for reading a book.
Well I certainly nailed that “making everyone uncomfortable” part of the intp personality
Great analysis. At around 35:00, the part about reducing everything to absurdity is something I can relate to, I ended up there mentally last year. I was posing these questions to others (e.g. "What's the point of it all??"), while constantly assuring everyone I'm not suicidal. I'll admit I was pretty downtrodden, but I had no plans of dying. But because I was (maybe?) depressed, I didn't have any other plans either!
What broke it was this - I took a job interview, I was hired before I even got home (apparently I blew away the interview, and because I was nihilistic at the time I acted completely casually), and it was located in an area I'd previously considered "too far", because I'd need to take public transport and it'd still take about an hour. As predicted by the analysis in this video, the new experience and pushing my comfort zone motivated me greatly.
Best podcast about this topic i’ve heard so far. Your speaking voices are relaxing too. Great job!
interesting, but i only made it to 2:35, now im gonna play online poker
I really resonated with what you were saying about feeling kind of rejected as a kid for who I was. I always felt very different and out of place as a kid. I had lots of friends and was playful but I knew I was different from the people around me. I also never listened to anything my parents told me to do. My mother even told me at one point that I was very difficult to raise. I think I kind of broke them as parents and they eventually just let me do what I wanted. I had what I regard as the most intense introverted experience that anyone could have in life, which is I had a nervous breakdown when I was 19 years old. I had feelings and emotions growing up but I had never experienced the depth of emotion that occurred during this process. It was like the flood walls collapsed. I cried from the depth of my soul for 3 months straight. I eventually found meditation and that was the single most important thing I have ever done. I was very skeptical of meditation before learning, but the technique I learned allowed me to go inward to a very deep level. It also healed my nervous system.
I simply begins to cry when the childhood period been mentioned, thank you for bringing this topic up. xxoo
Wow 👏 this was so good i almost cried. This touched me a lot. I'm really trying to find myself and find a career and hearing this and how much you guys know me was as startling
it's like I'm finding the pep-talk I literally have been looking for since the day you guys uploaded this.