Why Jakob Ingebrigtsen SHOULD NOT Transition to the 5km (yet)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- Should Jakob Ingebrigtsen SHOULD NOT Transition to the 5km (yet). Jakob Ingebrigtsen has lost his last 3 major championships in the WC 2022 and 2023 and most recently the 2024 Paris Olympic Final. Yet he has conversely won his last 3 major championships in the 5000m followed by a dominant 3000m world record prompting many to suggest that he should move up to the 5km distance from the 1500m. In this video, I argue that SHOULD NOT Transition to the 5km (yet).
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I think you need to retitle the video. The title doesn't make much sense.
Saw it relatively early luckily - thanks for the heads up!
Running 3:28.24 and not even medalling is ridiculous. El G only went sub-3:30 once in a championship final. But in his era, 3:30-3:35 was good enough for medalling (El G even got pacemaking help from fellow countrymen in three major final). The level of competition is unreal now.
We have been so spoiled by these times - watching anything that’s not 3:28 pace feels “slow” now.
Вы забываете про карбоновые шиповки, дающие прирост результатов минимум 1 процент. Реальный рекорд Эль Герружа в пересчёте на карбон 323.9. А конкуренция в его годы была сильнее. Лагат 326.34, Морсели 327.37, Нгени 328.12 , Баала 328.98, Качо 328.95, Нионгабо 329.18 Все эти результаты показаны без карбона. На ЧМ 99 Эль Герруж пробежал за 327.65 , последние 20м трусцой. В отличие от Якоба он выигрывал при разных тактических вариантах При беге на 335 Якоб всегда оставался бы без медалей на ЧМ и ОИ, поскольку его скорость для 1500м недостаточна. Поэтому все турниры с участием Якоба проходят в высоком темпе. Ни Эль Герружу, ни Морсели не было в этом необходимости
He shouldn't change his training for the 5000m because his training is already optimized for the 5000.
Its not though.
Nice way of putting it
His 1500m speed helps his 5k performances
Transition? Dudes the defending world and Olympic champ? Stupid title.
@@wesleytwiggs7687 1500m is his main event - transitioning refers to him dropping the 1500 and making the 5km his main event.
@@AdamJansen786 he doesn’t have a main event. That’s just media bro. And even if he did, he’s the world champ. You’re a moron telling a world champ to quit. He can clearly do both.
Agree 💯
Huh? He literally won the gold medal in it
True! I don’t think he should abandon the 1500m and fully transition to the 5km yet however as some have suggested.
Adam Jansen,I think you have to research what you are posting much better,in all of your comments here you are commenting as if the three who was better than Jacob in Paris,have a better kick than him,and that you are declaring as it was something as a law of nature.Have you really had a look at some of their races the last years,I have and, I can tell you Jacob has a kick that is as least as good as the other guys kicks,and may be even better.Try to have a look at some of their races,the races they has run against each others,as well as other races.I think that most of his problem in Paris,came a results of his missing 4 months of his winter running mileage,he had to do alternative training,so may be he lost a bit of his feeling for how fast he was running,his first lap was at the time of 54,9 compared to 55,00 for the first lap for the world record.When Jacob took a look at the great screen at the stadium,he got a shock,it was unintentionally the opening pace,he did not go out in that pace,to get the world record or run away from the other from the start.After the first lap,he tried to calm down a bit without it being so much registered in the pace.After a while he saw that he got a couple of meters,and then got too eager,and once more speeded up a bit,so now it was to late he could only try to see how long he could run at that pace,he eventually met the wall,run out of gas,and you could clearly see he more or less stopped,not because the other kicked so well,it only looked so,because he nearly stopped.Hocker had 13,00 in his last 100 m,the same as Nguse,Kerr had 13,2,while Jacob had for him a very slow pace at 13,8.So if Jacob had done it in his ususual way,waited till it was 600 left,and then gradually speeded up,or if he just had opened at a pace at maybe 1-2 second slower,he would not had met the wall,and then I think he never would have been outkicked.He frontrun all the distance,and become number 4,and still managed to run faster than his own old Olympic Record.
Bruh
@@frankjohansen9364 if it was just the Olympics I would agree that it’s too small a sample size to go off. But he lost the Zurich diamond league and 2022 and 2023 world champs in the same way. His last 4 losses in the 1500m come through being sit and kicked on in the final stretch, and he has a poor 800m time relative to his 1500m time. I don’t believe that’s a coincidence and to me it demonstrates he does not have genetic speed like hocker and Kerr do. Whenever he finishes well, it is normally due to running a slower pace that means he has loads of energy near the end or it’s a longer kick over the final 600m.
@@AdamJansen786 You say that Jacob lost the Zürich Diamond League this year,he became number two,he lost for Nguse,but all around Jacob, told him not to compete in Zürich,because he had an infection only some days before,he was not fully restored,but he loves to compete,and he still managed to beat Hocker and Kerr.And Hocker he beat with 2 second in the Lausanne Diamond League.Only a week after the race in Zürich, Jacob was maybe fully restored,and managed to set a New World Record at the 3k in Silesia in Poland.A record which has been unbreakable for 28 years,and that at a distance ,which all the great athletes have tried to beat.Now Jacob beat it with 3 second and ran at a time at 7,17,55.In 2022 Jacob was beaten at the world Championsship due to as he said himself,bad tactic.In 2023 in the World Championsship in Budapest,he lost to Kerr,but that without any great kick by none of them.But Jacob was not 100%in that final,he may be even had a little fever,because that he had a couple of days later when he still manage to win against Kathir,who later was suspended because he three times did not show up when the controllers should test him,and he beat Kathir by running the last lap in the 5k at 52,45.He has a slow record at the 800 m,and that distance he has not run for years,because he don't like that distance.I think I willl come back and give more information with times and races to illustrate my points,I will come back later this evening.
This video makes no sense. First off, the idea that he doesn’t have the kick of hocker or kerr is false. He has closed as fast as them in other races. Him being “outkicked” in paris was him really just slowing down due to having no energy left from leading it. Nobody else was running 3:28 from the front that day other than him. Secondly, nobody has repeated as a 1500m in the 21st century since El Guerrouj (Kiprop was a doper). It is insanely hard to win two or even three times in a row.
It’s also disingenuous to Jakob to say that he has “lost” three times when he still has the best record over championships than any other 1500m runner today. 1st 2nd 2nd 4th is better than Kerr’s 3rd 5th 1st 2nd. Lastly, Jakob just has a piss-poor strategy honestly. In Eugene, his first 700 was literally run in lane 2. He probably ran an extra 15 meters in distance in that race so it was no surprise that Wightman who ran smart and tucked in, outlasted him. Budapest he was sick and really had no other way out. Paris, he led from the gun and had way too fast of an opening. His best strategy would have been to start off slow and continually accelerate until the end. By the final 100 he was toast from leading and going out too fast. Don’t call these excuses these are straight up facts.
To long to read, but yeah, his kick is obviously epic, but not good enough.
@@beeloop156 I think it’s pretty undisputed that hocker and Kerr have a natural speed that Jakob doesn’t. There’s a reason he doesn’t do or like the 800m and whenever he kicks well, it’s normally after a slower race where he has more energy or just him winding things up over the last 600m compared to a 100m kick the others have. I agree his tactics were not great going into the WC but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he is consistently outsprinted in the final 100m and has a comparatively poor 800m to his 1500m. Tactics may play an important role but I think it’s unarguable his last kick is not great compared to his superb aerobic strength. Regardless, the issue remains that he performs badly in championship 1500m by his standards as both WC were seen has huge upsets and although I didn’t expect him to win the Olympics, coming 4th is terrible for his standards. Therefore a complete move to the 5km can still be a valid suggestion given his success in championships in that distance compared to the 15. That said, I do of course argue that he shouldn’t move yet.
Why do Jakob fan boys always have shit takes, and why do they always get so angry when someone speaks against his ability, I see this everywhere. It's as if you pick holes in Jakob's abilities compared to others (such as his kick) you a bunch of whining children after you, accept facts. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses, after all Jakob is human... Just take a look at his poor performance at the half marathon (yes it was a poor performance, don't cry please lol).
The problem with Ingebrigtsen is that in major 1500m championships he tries to run an insanely fast time all on his own, wasting energy on a good kick. His kick is actually really good in slighly slower races, this season the European championship and diamond league final where good examples where the final time was a little bit above 3:30 but he won both with ease. I think Ingebrigtsen needs to trust his kick more, but in world/olympic championships he cannot show it because he tires himself too much throughout the race.
@@btnschr yeah I think I need do clarify what I mean when I say he doesn’t have a kick. I think he doesn’t have that natural 800m speed a hocker or Kerr has. However, he’s so fit, he normally has a good kick in slower races as you said which comes across as a good kick.
He’s a better 5000m runner both in championships and likely time trials than the 1500m, he said it himself the 1500 has more prestige
I think he may as well focus on the 1500 while he’s young as well. That being said I think Jakob has given the 1500 it’s prestige. If he went and dominated the 5k he could give that event prestige in itself (albeit probably not as much).
Love these videos, honestly so well made, keep them up mate and this channel will blow up !
@@sstevogb appreciate it a lot man!
He's going to keep improving at every distance especially the 5000meters
all wr´s over 1500/mile and 5k 10k were broken by 23/24 year olds 23 is the best age for middle and long distance running
Are you his coach?
KERR is just that guy since last year and not jakob
kerr would have been world champ and olympic 1500 champ which is so rare
jakob will never win a 1500 major champ anymore kerr is better, cole can kick, laros will be older, jake abd katir will be back all have a better kick
kerr almost wins under every scneario same as wightman (when fit)
jakob just has zero fast twitch muscles
thohe is unbeatable in the 5k
@@robinbauer1975 I am excited to see how grand slam affects Kerr and the others ability to hold onto Jakob. Doing the 800 will lose them their 5km strength so I wonder if that will play into jakobs hands…
I wouldn’t bet against him getting the 1500 WR but he is better suited for 5k and could go subb12:30 in 2025.
@@jasonperlmutter4402 the way he smashed the 3km WR makes me agree that the 5km WR is even an easier goal for him than 1500m
This is an excellent video and thoughtful analysis. Jakob is simply the best 1500m runner in the world. There is no reason for him to think of moving on. He will get the wr in the 15 by 2026. Certainly would be nice to get the world championship gold as well.
@@CliveBramham thank you! I agree he’s undoubtedly the best runner. The issue unfortunately is that he’s not the best racer which has come to bite him.
@@AdamJansen786 I appreciate your point but don't quite agree. To my mind he is the best racer also in the 1500m - no way would I put anyone ahead of him - yet Jakob is human with room for improvement. He has made some mistakes or miscalculations in world finals. He did not deliver after being pre-race favorite in Worlds 2022 and the Olympics 2024. Needless to say Wightman and Hocker ran great races. In Worlds 2023 he was under the weather. His responsibility but still. He would have one the 15 and the 5K by 5 meters (not one foot:-). Doubt there is a problem in dealing with pressure, as Jakob has one loads of championship races under pressure (3x 15/5 double at Europeans, Olympics. Anyway, it would be good for Jakob to finally clinch that gold in LA next year.
@@CliveBramham If he is the "best racer" why did he come 4th at the Olympics, 2nd at world championships in 2023 and 2nd in world championships in 2022? Best racers are tactical, yet fast and will win the major championships, right now Jakob is not the best racer, that is fact. He hasn't backed this title up in his performances.
Jakob nearly burned up Kerr’s kick. Kerr was done at the finish line. 2 more feet and Kerr would have lost 2nd place.
Lost it to not Nuguse not Jacob
@@dashielcockrill998 yeah. I meant that Jakob pretty much took the sting out of Kerr’s kick but unfortunately burned himself out. I really think Nuguse could have gotten 2nd had he started his kick a couple of feet sooner.
I dont think you can call him an 'aerobic phenom' after that half marathon performance
1:03 while stopping several times, at the end of his season and having a 1500 race like 2 days before is by no means bad for his first race. Road running is its own skill and he has to build up that skill in his future, so judging a guy off his first ever half marathon performance over twice the distance he's ever raced seems a bit unreasonable.
Agree ... he ain't no Sifan Hassan ....
@@jaden5493 If he is an 'aerobic phenom' why did he need to stop several times, genius?