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Hi everyone! Thank you for joining us today. Caleb Roth, of Stain & Seal Experts joined us at NAFCA's (North American Fence Contractors Association) Fence Training School 2019 and shared with us all of the secrets behind staining! It really is an amazing process and he did a great job!
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This is just a randomly recommended video in TH-cam but, scrolling through the comments we can see so many experts coming out of the woodwork.
All the hate about the spraying technique when this guy has been doing this for years successfully... He specifically said that you can be sloppy with the spray technique and still get a great and uniform result. Thanks for the free lesson. I'm a pressure cleaner and may look into adding wood staining after seeing how easy this is. Subscribed and liked.
Thank you for the kind words, Russ. We are so happy to hear you have found the value in this teaching. Please let us know if there is anything we can do for you in the future, and if you are interested in our wood stain you can visit fencearmor.com/collections/stain-seal-experts. We wish you much success in your business. Have a wonderful day and thank you for the support.
Honestly I know only one other guy who sprays with his tip that way......My buddy finally fired him because his production was so poor......Think what you want if you really want to learn how to paint you should come by....
@@mikethepainter If he wasn't using this product then that kind of negates your whole point.
coolest guy in the whole group is wearing a hard hat
😂😂
Definitely the best stain product
Thank you, we agree!
Excellent job!
Thank you very much, we really appreciate that, Robert.
I feel like 99% of these people commenting didnt listen to a word he said.
1) the atomized stain wont stick on overspray very far, the larger tip is for coverage and speed
2) its oil based
3) his spray technique doesnt matter because theyre putting so much on it is completely saturated, so you dont need to be picky about it.
4) they chose that particular graco sprayer because it fails less often than anything else they tried. Maybe a larger graco is necessary, but apparently this one is sufficient for the job.
Any other stupid comments from "experts" who didnt listen to his reasons for why he does things the way he does?
Thank you for watching and seeing the value in the teachings.
Excellent example of NPC
Thanks for the training
Thank you for watching!
Great video!
Thank you for the support!
Why people are hating will never understand so many experts out there take only the good and leave the bad then move on
Awesome.
Thank you so much!
also that swivel attachment is dope
It is fantastic!!
still an entertaining video good work gents
That's a really nice sprayer...
The older guy that asked about how it reacts to galvanized steel, some galvanized steel posts are porous vs aluminum which is not and the stain would wipe off easily, as for the galvanized steel I assume the stain would soak in and not be removable. Is this correct or does it wipe off easily ?
Stain and Seal Experts stains run right off fence posts and require little to no wiping on vertical posts. Metal gate frames also need some wiping. Their stain is a non drying formula so you have a little time to get it done. Happy wiping!
GREAT VIDEO I HAVE THE SAME SETUP. QUESTION I PRESSURE WASHED MY DECK DID THE PROPER STEPS BEFORE I STAIN MY DECK. I USED OIL BASED COBERT SEMI SOLID STAIN, SO I SPRAYED AN AREA ON MY DECK AND IT RAINED THAT NIGHT BUT THE PAINT WAS PRETTY DRY BEFORE IT RAIN SO THIS MORNING I SEE WHITE RESIDUE ON SOME OF THE WOOD PANNEL AFTER THE STAIN WAS APPLIED. WHAT COULD IT BE DO I SPRAY IT AGAIN OR AM I DOING SOMETHING WRONG THANKS.
Hi Angel, thank you for reaching out. We are sorry to hear about your experience with that stain, we are not familiar with the white residue. We highly recommend EXPERT Stain & Seal, as we have never come across that issue - fencearmor.com/collections/stain-seal-experts-fence-stain/products/stain-seal-experts-fence-stain-semi-solid. Wish you luck with your deck!
A fence staining school and a staining University well it is America the land of one born everyday.
I power washed the fence today. I was planning on staining it tomorrow. Is that enough time for the fence to dry up? Gonna b 100 degrees tomorrow
We recommend using a moisture meter. But with EXPERT Stain & Seal it will still go on smoothly.
Good trainings. Do you have a spec list for your setup?
I’m an experience fence builder just starting to break into the staining aspect.
Thank you Bruce, we appreciate that. I would definitely recommend reaching out to Caleb at Stain & Seal Experts, he would be happy to help :) His socials are listed in the description.
We also recommend joining the facebook.com/groups/StainingUniversity for a community of professionals, new and veteran and lots of free training opportunities.
What brand of stain is that ,and what is the cost per 5gln....ive been using Readyseal for 13 years on all my decks ,fences,ect. Always looking for something cheaper
Thank you for your interest, Scott. Stain & Seal Experts actually use their own brand of stain. It is eco-friendly, non-carcinogenic, easy to apply, and premium quality made to last! In order to get the correct pricing for what you are looking for, you can see their website with all of the pricing: stain-seal-experts-store.myshopify.com/.
You seem like a real cool guy. Would buy from you
We are happy to help in any way we can!
21:20 ... When you spray right over the door hardware, and wipe it off just a few minutes later, is it coming off so easily because ANY brand of oil stain is non-porous and won't stick to metal? I just borrowed a neighbor's sprayer and had to really work to peel the oil-based stain off the metal handle that had dried on it from a spraying job a year earlier. Was it hard to get off because it had been caked-on the handle for so long?
We highly recommend checking out the Stain & Seal Experts TH-cam channel, as they show many instances of coming back the next day and wiping off the metal when using EXPERT Stain & Seal. We believe with other brands it is the difference in formula and that they contain VOC’s. Hope that helps.
Have a fence peeling like crazy from water based stain applied 5 years ago. How thorough of preparing the surface in this situation? Scrap off all the lose stain? Or get a new fence?
power wash, sand, apply a stripper( not a pole dancer type) to tough spots . never use latex or acrylic . I wont use it on anything.
What do you do in few years when it’s time to restain? Will it take the stain?
When applying the stain, it is a flood coat that is absorbed right away, so the same process applies when re-staining. It is a perfect opportunity to offer a customer a maintenance package if you are in the industry, or to discuss with your contractor if you are a homeowner.
@@Fencearmor re-apply every couple years could be great business for years down the road! That's a great tip.
@@MrBudpln Thank you Sean, we appreciate that!
Can this stain be rolled on? I loved the detail in the video.
It can be but it is best applied with a brush or sprayer. Thank you so much for the support.
First Main problem: Too high in pressure by using that spray tip. He should be using a FFLP tip. Next all that fog will fly to the nearest car,truck Golf cart and stick, even 70 yards away when the wind carries it.
So do I need to put plastic on side of vinyl house or will it wipe off easy???
Hi Ronel, thank you for your question. We always recommend masking off the area, but if anything gets underneath it, it is easily removed. You can also spray it with water beforehand and that will allow it to be removed as well. Vinyl has a lot of crevasses so it is best to mask it.
Previous owner did not apply stain correctly. It has faded and has peeled away in some areas. Any videos showing how to prep the fence and apply new stain.
Great question! Caleb has a great video on deck cleaning for beginners and it is products in the EXPERT Wood Care line so it all works well together - th-cam.com/video/FSPRhBEMrN8/w-d-xo.html.
Caleb I have a cedar fence that has been stained semi trans in redwood color. Can I switch to a solid stain and does solid color chip and peel?
Hi there, EXPERT Stain & Seal is offered in sem-solid stain, semi-transparent and transparent. Hope that helps to answer your question!
Caleb, any recommendations for a quality swivel head attachment? Thanks!
We recommend the Titan and Hyde Angle Pro for a quality swivel head attachment.
I just finished installing a 200 foot fence. Should I paint it, stain it or both? I’m really not sure how this works. Any Recommendation will help. Thank you.
Great question. It depends on the finished look you would like. We recommend staining as it both protects the fence as while as adds curb appeal.
@@Fencearmor thank you
@@uphill248 You're welcome!
I have a previously stained fence that I added height too. Would I stain the newer part first, then stain the entire length after it dried?
Hi Beth, great question. If the wood stain you used on the bottom is the same you will use on the top, that is a sound process.
@@Fencearmor the house is new to us. We have no idea what they used on the fence previously.
@@bethking8651 Hi Beth, if you are not sure what the stain type was, it is always best to start off with a clean palette.
Is it ideal to clean the fence before applying any kind of stain
Absolutely, always recommended! Great question!
Always protected with plastic and or tape what you don’t want to hit and your best choice will be a water based emulsified with oil mix, like Sansin
Will this work with a Wagner 220 sprayer? I am looking to stain both sides of a 60 foot spaced slat 4 foot tall fence.
It should work! We are here if you have any questions.
How long is the extension tip that he is using?
Good Morning, thank you for your question. That was a 48" pole. They've upgraded since then and use 50" Stainman poles. Those can be purchased from restorativewoodproducts.com
Nice video. That poor 210 pump is screaming, it hurts me to listen to that poor Graco. But a Graco is a amazing work horse. Maybe a size upgrade on the pump.
Graco is great! Thank you for the tip.
17:08 yellow hat was a natural
Absolutely right! Pleasure to see.
nice training 👍🏼I think the gentleman at 21:42 was trying to ask..”what if he got the stain on let’s say...his neighbors car?!” Will it come off then 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you very much! You are correct and yes it will, if you immediately wipe away. If not you’ll need to wash the car with dawn dish soap and maybe a small amount of de greaser. It is always best to cover a car. Always keep pavers, concrete and other porous surfaces wet while staining nearby and rinse periodically. If you get stain on a paved surface it may be stained. It might come clean but it is stain and will be tough.
Is READY SEAL the best brand stain? I’m replacing a new fence.
We highly recommend Stain & Seal Experts Fence & Deck stain. It is easy-to-apply, it won't film, streak, run or create lap marks. It's engineered for long-lasting color and beauty. You can check it out here: fencearmor.com/collections/stain-seal-experts/products/stain-seal-experts-deck. We also recommend Postsaver for new posts, it will give your fence posts a 20 year guarantee. You can view that on the website as well.
Fence Armor of course you are going to suggest y’all’s product, thanks anyways.
@@josej-h1471 We are not familiar with READY SEAL and want to offer you what we trust and know best. We wish you luck on your project :)
@@josej-h1471 this is hilarious.
What do you clean your sprayer with
With oil based stain, cleaning isn't necessary as it doesn't dry. But if you are interested in cleaning, Mineral Spirits does work.
Do you have a link to buy this variety of stain
Absolutely! You can order it here: fencearmor.com/collections/stain-seal-experts.
Tell Greco no need to clean your machine. See what they say.
Not sure if this guy could cut any more corners
How much much coverage should you get from 1 gallon
Great question! 125 square feet per gallon :)
Great video, including the one on Eco cleaner & Wood brightener. I've got your products in my cart waiting to see some larger Slate Gray sample photos. Where can I find the extension and swivel head you used here? I'll follow your lead and get the #521 tip for your stain. I also have an old unpainted Brick house to paint with exterior oil, does anyone have a recommendation on tip size for that?
Thank you so much, we are very happy to hear that. It is a Graco 390 Pc Stand Airless Paint Sprayer. You are more than welcome to contact Caleb at Stain & Seal Experts (+1 615-785-1861) on the details. :)
You said you Make your own stains. Where can we buy them in California.
You can order them online here: fencearmor.com/collections/stain-seal-wood-stain. Thank you so much!
What pressure is he using to "atomize" the overspray? How many PSI? What PSI is too low? What's too high?
Hi Alan, great questions. An airless paint sprayer is what he is using. It works with a high volume of paint and uses an electric motor instead of an air compressor for atomization, creating a high-pressure spray pattern that allows you to paint effortlessly and consistently.
@@Fencearmor Thanks for the response. I get that he's using an airless sprayer. My question was setting the pressure on the high pressure airless sprayer. It can go up to 3,000 psi or more. Do we just go as high as possible?
@@trunksy Hi Alan, as regards to pressure setting, what you are looking for is good flow, the pressure adjustment helps manage hose length compensation.
Hi. Which color is that? I don't see a very dark brown on their website.
Hello, thank you so much for asking. He used Walnut, you can find it on the website here: bit.ly/2m96jWM. Let us know if you have any questions!
Anyone know what kind of airless spraying he is using?
It is a Graco 390 Pc Stand Airless Paint Sprayer. You are more than welcome to contact Caleb at Stain & Seal Experts (+1 615-785-1861) on the details.
👉 oil based is way more forgiving application wise … it doesn’t matter because it’ll all look the same when finished
Thank you for your input.
How do you avoid the mist or spray staining the structures on the other side of the fence?
Always recommend covering what you can.
Thanks
@@ottaknow you're welcome!
It’s amazing how people are still stuck on Spraying 😅
Plz use a Mic pinned to your shirt. Very, very difficult to hear you talk, when the microphone is so far away from you.
Maybe it was my equipment but I could hardly hear him
Thank you for letting us know, we will definitely make sure to have better audio next time!
I can just feel that oil on my body and the nasty smell in the air..... NASTY - I use a diaphragm pump with no overspray but I can see high pressure working the stain into the wood better
What brand airless sprayer and pump are u using and brand sealer ?
It is a Graco 390 Pc Stand Airless Paint Sprayer. You are more than welcome to contact Caleb at Stain & Seal Experts (+1 615-785-1861) on the details.
I didn't see you prime with water like other people do. I own the x5. Can i skip the prime process if I only want to stain?
@@DetailEnthusiast They always prime with the product they are using.
What is the name of the company that makes the swivel head? Thank you.
Graco I believe! Feel free to reach out to Caleb if you have any more questions - facebook.com/StainandSealExperts.
What sprayer is that?
It is a Graco 390 Pc Stand Airless Paint Sprayer. You are more than welcome to contact Caleb at Stain & Seal Experts (+1 615-785-1861) on the details.
Audio is just terrible .
Thank you for the note. We will work on that for future videos.
The audio is fine clean your damn ears out
very nice, what should be the minimum or ideal humidity to proceed with spraying
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much for the great question. The dryer the better but less than 20% would be best. Hope that answers your question.
No powerwash first?
We always recommend cleaning the fence before staining and sealing. Due to the schedule of the training course, we couldn't do that beforehand. Great comment!
Thank you for saving me 1k!
So glad we could help!
For just a homeowner...pump sprayer. How much coverage can I get per gallon? Also, 1 year old cedar fence. Southern Louisiana. Transparent or semitransparent?
Transparent Stain & Sealer is recommended for a re-coat every 1 to 2 years.
Semi-Transparent Stain & Sealer is recommended for a re-coat every 2 to 2.5 years.
Semi-Solid Stain & Sealer is recommended for a re-coat every 3 to 3.5 years.
When determining stain coverage for decks you will need one gallon of stain per 200 square feet. For basic privacy fences with side by side pickets, you can expect to use a gallon of stain per 12 linear feet (both sides). For other styles of fences (shadowbox, 4-rail, 3-rail, board on board, etc.) coverage rates will differ.
We recommend picking the color you like best. Hope this helps answer your question.
@@Fencearmor And I can just use a pump sprayer? I don't need a machine of any kind?
@@coreyjharmon Pump up sprayer are good for cleaning chemicals, but when it comes to staining, it is better to use a brush or a roller.
@@Fencearmor Sorry if this sounds like I'm being difficult, but isn't the point of this very video the fact you can spray it and it covers easily and wipes off?
@@coreyjharmon Not difficult at all. You are correct, the sprayer used in the video is an airless sprayer and not a pump sprayer.
There are companies that do this year round?
Absolutely, all dependent on the area!
@@Fencearmor i want to buy this stain if you have a website to purchase it?
@@israelbenique179 Hi there, yes we do. You can purchase the stain here: fencearmor.com/collections/stain-seal-experts. Let us know if you have any questions.
How long before it's rain ready?
Great question! It is rain ready right away!
24 hours per manufacturing recommendation on there website
Is this sold at Home Depot? I can not find it
You can shop the EXPERT Stain & Seal on our website fencearmor.com/collections/stain-seal-wood-stain. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions.
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good video but as a construction professional I have some doubts
1. I have two of those pumps ( Graco 390/395). This pump isnt strong enough to properly atomize Oil
Use the Graco Mark V to make sure that product is atomized correctly
Also, not cleaning the sprayer will lead to repacking required a lot
Spray technique and cleanliness is very important for a uniform finish
This guy isn't as GC I'd wager, so He might have this somewhat down to a science but for me construction is an art form and my boy here killed it but forgot some very important points
also youre using the wrong Tip Lol that over spray is ridiculous , also thats putting er on too thick big time, thin coat, go back and mist
i agree. Id say a 315 max and turn the pressure down a bit. but it does look like a good product
Caleb what Graco model are you using on the truck?
It is a Graco 390 Pc Stand Airless Paint Sprayer. You are more than welcome to contact Caleb at Stain & Seal Experts (+1 615-785-1861) on the details.
thanks so much!!@@Fencearmor
You are very welcome! :) @@kevinjohnson5210
How much is cost for feet ?
Caleb from Stain and Seal Experts would be happy to answer any of your questions, you can contact him at facebook.com/StainandSealExperts/. Thank you!
Straigh over the hardware
It can be wiped right off after staining!
What’s the name of that Stain
Hi Eidy, great question! It is the Stain & Seal Experts Auburn Stain, you can find it here: fencearmor.com/collections/stain-seal-experts-fence-stain/products/stain-seal-experts-fence-stain-semi-solid.
Dude look at the trees in the back they no wind
The wrist over ever seen. No shields nothing! He has that thing turned up, like a power washer!?! 😂😂😂
Your feedback is valuable, and we'll make sure to highlight safety precautions more clearly in our next videos, as it is very important!
Is that a semi transparent stain?
Yes it is!
Omg they are power washing that fence with some stain🤣🤣🤣
AND YOU CAN DO YOUR NEIGHBORS HOUSE TOO...THE OVERSPRAY...10 FOOT A GALLON.....BAHAHAHA...
50/50 of used motor oil and Diesel. 100+ year old farmers trick for preserving a wood fence. Waaaay cheaper than any stains or water proofing that only last 1-2 years. Also another great way to recycle your used motor oil. Go green and use this trick.
Training without a single thought of safety. That "atomized" oil based stain going right into eyes and lungs
Safety gear is always a good idea and recommended. Masking would depend on the job. But thank you for the reminder.
Baja la precion 3/4 y usa un tip mas chico
No filtration masks ?
Safety gear is always a good idea and recommended. Masking would depend on the job. If you are new to staining, we recommend to join the Stain and Seal Experts university - facebook.com/groups/StainingUniversity/.
They need ppi for safety.
What’s is the exact name of the sprayer I want to purchase and can’t find it
I would like to know this to.
Thank you both for your interest! It is a Graco 390 Pc Stand Airless Paint Sprayer. You are more than welcome to contact Caleb at Stain & Seal Experts (+1 615-785-1861) on the details.
Fence Armor how much is the machine
@@streetcrierministries2231 Caleb would be happy to help with that information - (+1 615-785-1861).
So what is the actual Stain ?!
It is the Stain & Seal Experts Fence & Deck Stain - fencearmor.com/collections/stain-seal-experts.
MASK UP, ELF AND SAFETY 1ST
I’m only going to give one piece of free advice away other than do not follow this technique
The sprayer head should always maintain the same distance between the sprayer and the product being sprayed.
They’re putting to much on in the middle and not enough at the top and bottom...
Totally agree
Thank you Matthew, it is a training course so it is a first time staining for many. We appreciate the advice.
Thanks for letting everyone know how smart you are
what about spraying the hardware, is that typical? I thought he'd tape it or protect it some type of way.
Good stuff--just shoot in 60fps not 24fps-- looks glitchy
Thank you for the tip!
A non-drying oil. O.k. that's a new one to me.
I have 72 ft of fence. How much stain will I need?
For basic privacy fences with side by side pickets, you can expect to use a gallon of stain per 12 linear feet (both sides). For other styles of fences (shadowbox, 4-rail, 3-rail, board on board, etc.) coverage rates will differ.
@@Fencearmor Thanks mate
@@Fencearmor Could you provide links to the extension and swivel tip? The Hyde Angle Pro looks completely different to what you use and it costs $150.
@@markanderson4353 Hi Mark, absolutely, we don't have the exact link, we would recommend reaching out to Caleb at restorativewoodproducts.com/, but the brand is www.graco.com.
@@markanderson4353 A pleasure!
You used the airless wrong... Thats why it took long to start up in beggining
Thank you for the comment, Chris. We appreciate the feedback.
skip to min 11.50 to see the actual product...
Maybe getting a smaller tip🤣 what a video. Every body got a chance to power wash that fence. Just hearing that pump how much stain is pumping
B
respirator anyone?
What do you charge for these jobs? Thanks!
Hi Jesse, thanks for the question! Depending on the complexity, between $2,000-3,000. Join the Stain & Seal Experts Staining University for more guidance: facebook.com/groups/StainingUniversity/.
12:13
A lot of overspray - breathe deep - you don’t need any PPE with this product because it atomizer so well...
Ne er showed us that pole in the back...that old man has been around to long to fall for that bs he knew that stain would stain the metal pole
You are using a 521 tip for spraying stain? I get the idea of getting a job done quickly, but why would you be so wasteful? I would even understand pushing a 515 if that is the idea (when the recommended tip range here is 311 to 413!). You stated 10 ln. ft. / gal...so 60 sq. ft. / gal here? This seems absurd. I am used to roughly 125 - 150 sq. ft. / gal. This would make a job extremely expensive on the product side. At $30 / gal (just throwing out a "box store number") a huge amount of your profit margin is simply wasted (at 3x the product that should be used). Hell, even at $20-$23 a gallon for that matter. I am so confused as to why this video was made / released by a professional company. No disrespect intended...I'm just taken back.
Thank you for your comment Mr. James. We spoke with the contractor directly and he shared that this stain product has no thinners so the 521 tip is required because it is a much thicker product. Contractors agree on this universally who use this type of stain.
We recommend 125 sqft per gallon and the math for staining both sides of a 6’ fence is 100 linear ft x 12’ / 125 sqft per gallon = 9.6 gallons of stain which is about 10’ of fence (both sides) per gallon of stain used. We’re not so different after all.
For oil-based transparent, 521 is a soso tip for what you’re trying to accomplish. You need to vary your technique depending on how the wood is reacting. The goal is to saturate the wood to the point of rejecting the stain, without wasting product. This is even more important to pay attention to as you go up to semi-transparent and solids, tip size can be varied here as well.
I use a double-tip extension with 621s for penetrating stain, and I get a wider fan that’s a more controllable spray with about half the pressure you see in this silly video - for reference, this setup can easily finish 300ft in about 30mins or less.
Instructor should wear air respirator.
You are absolutely correct.
The PSI is turned up way too high on this which is going to burn through way more Stain the necessary. Costing you or your customer money
Thank you for the feedback, we will pass this along!
Little OCD going on with that rag.. your pressure is way too high, tip is way too small.