How do liars, cheats, & bullies profit in the car business?

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  • @windronner1
    @windronner1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +789

    You know what makes Doug's stories so good! So relatable? Is the fact he can 'tell it like it is'. Without whining. Or complaining. And moving forward. Which makes him a really terrific story teller. With interesting stories.....

    • @jonathanatayi3522
      @jonathanatayi3522 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Seriously couldn't put that into better words.

    • @19993gt
      @19993gt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Who’s doug

    • @kimosabbe50
      @kimosabbe50 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@19993gt The guy telling the Saab stories 😁

    • @rockm6772
      @rockm6772 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mandates?

    • @windronner1
      @windronner1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kimosabbe50 ahhaahhaaaaa... well done!! LoL.

  • @randerson4124
    @randerson4124 2 ปีที่แล้ว +969

    When even Jay Leno refuses to deal with any Ferrari dealer, that should tell you something about their network.

    • @Conservator.
      @Conservator. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      🤣👌

    • @borismcfinnigan3430
      @borismcfinnigan3430 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He gives the specifix reason he does not buy Ferraru and had nothing to do with your stupid comment.

    • @DSB1234567890
      @DSB1234567890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @Black Conservative Patriot if he thinks McLaren treats their customers well, that says something about Ferrari...

    • @allfordogs4421
      @allfordogs4421 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sargent stinky you comment reflects your name

    • @radman3206
      @radman3206 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Ferrari has no issues selling their cars and year long wait lists are the norm. Pretty sure they couldn't give a crap Jay Leno isn't buying their cars

  • @MichaelD8393
    @MichaelD8393 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    My first boss once said: "The less morals you have, the more money you'll make. But it's only a matter of time before the world catches up to you." How well that applies to Doug's stories is kinda chilling.

  • @ryanpatterson9526
    @ryanpatterson9526 2 ปีที่แล้ว +285

    This is the shit that drove me out of the car business. It’s impossible to play the game without stooping to their level.

    • @gtcam723
      @gtcam723 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      It isn’t just the car game. Firearms industry has a of scheisty too

    • @ViolentMLG
      @ViolentMLG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Anything with sales is like this.

    • @jameswood1935
      @jameswood1935 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ViolentMLG second hand especially

    • @Wild1KY
      @Wild1KY 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is ANY industry u go into. In this case, make sure to stay away from “HealthCare” 💀 The Shiestyist of them all

  • @frogstomp427
    @frogstomp427 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    My Dad told me a good story from back when he was a car buyer for a used car dealer before I was born. He was a young guy and was just getting started going to auctions and grizzled auction veteran gave him a little advice about working in the car buying business. He said something to the effect of, 'to succeed in this business, you have to have larceny in your heart!'

  • @markk3453
    @markk3453 2 ปีที่แล้ว +184

    Doug is right. 1000%. it's nearly impossible to make a living honestly as a dealer. when your salary comes from commissions only. people become aninmals

    • @murrijuana2842
      @murrijuana2842 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Sales brokers are scum.

    • @kiezer21
      @kiezer21 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@murrijuana2842Buyers are liars

  • @chadwells7562
    @chadwells7562 2 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    If you buy a car where they refuse to give you service records and they claimed “no paintwork, no damage”, assume that there was paintwork and major damage. That’s why they don’t want to release the records and bid accordingly.

  • @tomk5047
    @tomk5047 2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    There's a bully car dealer up in NW Indiana, Thomas Dodge. They'll swarm your vehicle as soon as you pull up and go so far as to ask for your keys or money/card on order to get a quote and will almost hold your stuff hostage in order to make the sale. Very intimidating when you're a young buyer.

    • @mcnugnug101
      @mcnugnug101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Do everyone a favor and name them.
      That shit pisses me off.

    • @Mr-pn2eh
      @Mr-pn2eh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@mcnugnug101 he did. The dealership is called thomas dodge.

    • @mcnugnug101
      @mcnugnug101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Mr-pn2eh somehow i missed that

    • @cynkie4693
      @cynkie4693 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mcnugnug101 the comments been edited, he might have put it in after you viewed it.

    • @AnonyMous-jf4lc
      @AnonyMous-jf4lc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Gurley Leep in NW IN does that too. They “lost the keys” to my potential trade after they insulted me with a crooked deal. I got very aggressive with them and my keys were “found” in about 5 seconds.

  • @deepblue362
    @deepblue362 2 ปีที่แล้ว +197

    One of the main reasons I look at a business’s reviews before I even talk to them. Thank you Doug for the stories makes me feel better about some of my FUBAR’s with car buying haha.

    • @switchcars
      @switchcars 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Unfortunately public reviews do not tell the majority of the story. The best liars in the car business will hire people or use other tactics to bolster their reputation and bury the negative reviews; I've even heard of dealers threatening and/or paying off people to remove negative reviews. There are a lot of unscrupulous dealers who have a glowing reputation online.

    • @danielscarbrough4363
      @danielscarbrough4363 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Reviews? Oh the naivety!
      Always Remember:
      1. Online reviews are often dishonestly "enhanced" toward the positive with paid endorsements/reviews.
      2. Epstein didn't kill himself.
      3. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, neither is little Brian.

    •  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@switchcars but you can always learn about that on forums, insta posts... you may cover the issue for the "lazy rich dude who doesn't care",
      but not for the ones who "searching the internet properly" - can't erase that just hide it a bit

    • @ViolentMLG
      @ViolentMLG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think looking at reviews is a solid indication, but it doesn't mean anything, sometimes people don't think reviews are worth the hassle or are worried about Karma or something else biting them, benefit of the doubt.
      I recently took my car to a 4.8 star mechanic who completely wasted 2 days of my time, promised same-day fixes, etc, and didn't do it.
      I only didn't fix my car because I'm busy AF with my business + my wife's DR appointments for Leukemia, so I just thought id pay someone else, big mistake.
      Could I get angry and leave a negative review? Sure, and given the context, I certainly wanted to, 4.8 star mechanic lying to me isn't cool, but I also don't want to hurt someone's business on what could've been bad luck on their end.

    • @04dram04
      @04dram04 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sadly even the good reviews are often fake. Also competition will put fake bad reviews,

  • @thatcarlifeR8
    @thatcarlifeR8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +443

    I am a general contractor and our business suffers from this same disease. All the crooks make all the money and the honest guys barely get by.

    • @tobyflenderson5341
      @tobyflenderson5341 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      agreed!!

    • @oceancon
      @oceancon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      yep- we can all say that about our business too

    • @Syntax73
      @Syntax73 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @satu👉💋 LMAO

    • @gtcam723
      @gtcam723 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One of the guys I know on TikTok has been a big proponent of getting the good contractor sorts to charge more for their time.

    • @deadheadcentral2514
      @deadheadcentral2514 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I’m at the point now where I recommend who not to use

  • @vinniecorleone62
    @vinniecorleone62 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Always a genuine treat when my favorite Maine-iac Doug shares a tale!

    • @gdubya83
      @gdubya83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Doug and Rabbit have the best dealer stories. Doug is chill and Rabbit is amped if that sounds about right. Both are great though.

  • @French20cent
    @French20cent 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    There is one rule : if a car is at an auction, especially if the start price is really low, there's a reason for that.
    Of course it is not always true, but why would a Ferrari dealer sell a 360 CS through an auction ?
    "- Boss, we have a nice 360CS as part exchange, low miles, no crash, beautiful color combo, and it's mint, would be great in our stock !
    - Nah, put it at an auction so we can sell it at a discount to another dealer"

    • @haleyb7304
      @haleyb7304 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think people are forgetting about repos, which honestly make up about 80% of all of our cars at the auction. These range from cars that are smashed into pieces to brand new low mile cars with absolutely nothing wrong and everything in between. in this economy many dealers aren’t sending any cars to us, almost all inventory is repos… which makes perfect sense in this economy.
      Sorry for replying to a 5 month old comment but I think buyers forget about this often. Many cars at auction genuinely truly have no reason to be there other than someone who couldn’t make a payment on time

    • @haleyb7304
      @haleyb7304 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      For the luxury car coming from a dealer though, definitely suspicious. Just saying, we definitely sold a really mint 30k mile 03 dodge viper from WBAC at auction for full retail price a few weeks ago

  • @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13
    @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    How did that guy who bought the "matching numbers" Porsche manage to be that dumb while simultaneously having access to $40k without the consent of his legal guardian?

  • @MBisFrenchy
    @MBisFrenchy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Had a dealer recently scratch a cars clear coat when washing the car though it was requested not to be washed. They used a brush and there were light perpendicular lines in the clear coat. Gave them the chance to have their detailer fix it after at first they told me to put some wax on the car. Then the car came back with the lines still there but lighter and the paint now hazzy. Complained and they told me I was looking for free services and that they'd contact local dealers to black list me. Meanwhile I have dashcam footage of them washing the car with the brush, they walked me through the service area showed me they do not using a grit guard or second bucket when washing cars. You can't do anything to dealers as a customer unfortunately.

    • @Cesar-sz9ck
      @Cesar-sz9ck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Name and shame! Fuck those dealers, they deserve to go out of business

    • @Eugenepanels
      @Eugenepanels 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Cesar-sz9ck dealers need to go away asap. Not tomorrow not after breakfast nowww.

    • @MBisFrenchy
      @MBisFrenchy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@Cesar-sz9ck It was a Volvo dealer on Long Island I'd rather not get a lawsuit, Volvo Corporate understandably said it's not their problem.

    • @borismcfinnigan3430
      @borismcfinnigan3430 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      LOL OK Karen

    • @Melanie16040
      @Melanie16040 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@borismcfinnigan3430 How is it a "Karen" when they told the dealer the car was NOT be washed?

  • @MBisFrenchy
    @MBisFrenchy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Had a BMW dealer on a lease deal in NY at the time of signing in the finance office claim they forgot to include 800 in fees due at signing when recalculating the DAS after credit was already run. Was a nightmare, will never go back to that dealer or recommend them. They paid the 8XX extra but the salesman blamed finance and finance blamed the salesman.

  • @Code2142Loco
    @Code2142Loco 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Doug, if you read these comments, I'd just like to say thank you, for sharing stories about your business. It gives me a chance to see a piece of a world, I'd never see, unless somebody, like you, steps forward, and shares.
    Here's to wishing you continued success!

  • @russelljacob7955
    @russelljacob7955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    The final example is a prime one about honest vs shady business. Shady gets quick cash. Honest builds relations that gets you more sales.
    My family is prime example. Life long GM owners. Would only deal with the one honest dealership in our city. Decades later? Dealer got big.... and got big business problems. Nobody in our family buys GM anymore and others? Same issues.
    However the Toyota dealership that is honest seems to be experiencing massive growth and has frequently had to get allocations from other dealers to fill sales. Even before semiconductor shortage, they would sell almost every new car they get quite quickly and going by ratings? I was not alone in my excellent experience.

    • @paulcarmi8130
      @paulcarmi8130 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Guys I found Scotty killmers alt account

    • @russelljacob7955
      @russelljacob7955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paulcarmi8130 Ha ha. Nope... Maybe the Canadian Doppleganger? Seriously though issue was a 2009 GM I had bought brand new. 10 years later and 80k km thing is literally mechanically written off cause of so much stuff leaking and failing on it. But dealer side is zero support in getting parts. "Discontinued, etc." And what parts I could get? "Oh, we didnt call that parts were in because said would be 3-5 days"
      Also once found a 7/11 cup in back seat after oil change. Had oil all over steering wheel another, mis-diagnosed engine issue, improperly fixed, etc.
      So since that car became undriveable after steering pump failure too, I needed a vehicle with winter coming up. Found a 2000 4runner with 300k on it. Ran fine for two years with only needing service items. So screw it. Will get a nice summer car and got a TRD Camry.
      Scruffy me pulls up in an old 4x4. Walks in wearing flannel and work boots. Treated me like a customer and did a lot to get that car brought in for me, especially with onset of part shortage. Not even any markup either. That was better service than I was getting at the GM dealership where we did business for many years.

    • @paulcarmi8130
      @paulcarmi8130 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@russelljacob7955 I was joking, thanks for not being a piece of shit about it lol

  • @LEGIOXIIIG
    @LEGIOXIIIG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Keep that integrity Doug! A funny thing about that is that if you're a good and honest person, it tends to become contagious to the people that are around you.

  • @mickmckpng3153
    @mickmckpng3153 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    A long time ago had the appraiser look over a 1 owner no accident vehicle only to find signs of repair and the numbers didn't match up. Sales people move dealerships and one knew this car. Turns out unknown to the owner this car slipped nose first off the transporter the day it arrived at the original dealership and they did a quick repair job on it and then handed it to the guy as brand new....

  • @edd2184
    @edd2184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That Porsche story is a clear example of people buy what they want to hear.
    "This is the same VIN number... They must have found the engine" - 🤪

    • @jayhoust9134
      @jayhoust9134 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree. I had a seller of a home that was made at me for telling them the house would not close in a day, since the buyer had not signed loaned docs. My client called the other agent, who lied and my client calmed down. Next day, I tell them it will be a few days, and my client raised hell. Once again call the other agent, who assures them it will close today, my client calms down and it does not close. Finally, I just started lying to my client and they were fine. It closed about 5 days late, just like I expected. However, the moral of the story is some people would rather be told what they want to be told, versus told the truth.

    • @edd2184
      @edd2184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jayhoust9134 that's a good story, some clients... I just think there is no way, they made it into adulthood acting like a toddler 😂
      Every time my wife and I have a rough day with a client. We use the word "Ice cream"
      One day we were in the market our son was about 2-3. We were walking down the frozen food aisle and he sees ice cream section his eyes light up. He runs to the ice cream, as I open the door for him, he picks up a container (I don't remember what it was Rocky road or double fudge something of that nature).
      Anyways I tell him "No, not that one son" he has a nuclear meltdown, after he calms down a bit. I look at him and say "Didn't you say last week you don't like chocolate ice cream... And only want vanilla/strawberry?" (he had Neapolitan ice cream couple weeks before and didn't like the chocolates).
      So after going back and forth with him for a bit explaining to him there's no vanilla in that ice cream. Despite the little chunks of Marshmellow, he kept on pointing to on the cover illustration. I just said okay let's go get the ice cream.
      My wife trying to hold back the laughter, looks at me and gives me this eye. As soon as he's distracted, she takes the container out and switches it with vanilla ice cream. 😂

  • @siggy6044
    @siggy6044 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Always love seeing these longer videos, especially from great story tellers like Doug!

  • @danielbarbee6606
    @danielbarbee6606 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Buyer beware. These are the classes that should be in high school.

  • @GXKid06
    @GXKid06 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Number 3 made me realize why rob feretti makes all those videos complaining and stating his case on TH-cam so he gets to the public first because someone can make him look bad.

  • @Feelgoo49
    @Feelgoo49 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Car dealers...
    Doug, in any business honesty will give you a long term success.
    👍

  • @yankeedyehard
    @yankeedyehard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    On the subject of the so called clutchless “automatic stickshift” on the Porsche, this transmission actually had a clutch servo that was activated when you touched the shifter. I had a ‘73 VW Super beetle which employed the same clutchless system, we called them “slush-a-matics” Pretty much everyone I tell about this, looks at me like I’m out of my mind.

    • @300DBenz
      @300DBenz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Mercedes had one too, the infamous Hydrak transmission.

    • @KevAno-p7e
      @KevAno-p7e ปีที่แล้ว +1

      even vw bug had one too

  • @robertnagel337
    @robertnagel337 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    VW had that shift system. A lot of complaints because if you rested your hand on the shifter you could easily accidentally cause the clutch to go out.

  • @buckberthod5007
    @buckberthod5007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You answered your own question in the title. Liars and cheats, bullies and thieves, they are dishonest people who put money over people. They'd rather mark a product up by 200% to make a profit, rather then keep the price at a reasonable price for everyone to be able to have a chance at buying it. Take for instance the trucks now. There's 2 types of people that buy a truck, those who actually need a truck to be used as a truck, which is why they pay 1-2K to have a vehicle they can beat up working with it to make money, and those who buy a truck as a glorified grocery gitter, who don't care if it's 10 or 20 grand. The used car market is getting despicable. Luckily, you can still find some honest people with an actual fair price for there 30+year old truck.

    • @Sebis527
      @Sebis527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You know… I doubt Doug made the title for the video 🤣

    • @buckberthod5007
      @buckberthod5007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Sebis527 "How Shysters profit in the car business world" would have been Doug's pick if'n i had to take a gander

    • @kylegilmore3810
      @kylegilmore3810 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@buckberthod5007 Subtle.

  • @awolf81
    @awolf81 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “The car’s like 35 grand, just buy it and drive it”! 6:52 😂 A real man of the people.

  • @jamesanderson6812
    @jamesanderson6812 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Doug’s in it for the long haul and he enjoys the actual real car people that he serves that are thankful for his services .truly a win win .

  • @jayhoust9134
    @jayhoust9134 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honesty is still best. I worked for a real estate office that produced a successful local magazine. I go to a listing appointment and the seller asked about the magazine? I told her it is really a tool to find sellers, as her townhouse will sell fast and won't be around long enough to be in it. She went on to tell me a previous agent from our brokerage talked up the magazine for 30 minutes and the seller thought it was bullshit. Anyway, the seller and I hit it off right away due to my honesty and I ended up selling about 5-6 of her other properties.

  • @brockjensen2473
    @brockjensen2473 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Attorney here, I genuinely think you should say who that auction was. There is a very good chance they have done that to several people and probably still are.

  • @agent9184
    @agent9184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    if there's anything I've learned in the car business (especially with big dealers like CNC) profits are short term, but reputation is forever. - also, PPI YOUR CARS before you purchase them! independent shops that you know and not the dealer's shops!

    • @04dram04
      @04dram04 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Easier said than done. Most sellers wont agree to a PPI because of the hassle.

  • @dannysdailys
    @dannysdailys 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Corvette front bumper? How much do you want to bet they wrecked the car and were trying to get you to pay for it. This has happened to me. We got the police involved and impounded the car. And sure enough, it was wrecked. They, there were two of them; the dealer and the buyer, wound up in jail. Even the owner of the body shop was arrested. He was helping them perpetuate the fraud. This apparently wasn't the first fraud they committed together. I got the car back and they didn't get their money back. They also had to pay for my lawyer. Yay for our side, for once.

  • @nicl3265
    @nicl3265 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I got a good story from a used dealer knowingly clearing codes and selling me a truck and then going out of business and stealing money that was supposed to go to the sales tax

  • @fletcher110
    @fletcher110 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Stay scrupulous Doug. Good character is priceless. You will always sleep better being honest.

    • @edombre4637
      @edombre4637 ปีที่แล้ว

      dishonest people have no trouble sleeping well - they are psychopaths, they don't care

  • @beatglauser9444
    @beatglauser9444 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I used to work in the car industry. Sad to say I was not successful enough because I was much to honest and was unable to shut up and lie regarding car I was trying to sell. I was very good in buying good cars for little money but I was a disaster in selling them for what they were worth.
    I met so many bigmouth, cheating and low class bastards in the business. I was ashamed to be in the same trade as them. But I am convinced that karma will bite those guys in the butt sooner or later. And I have seen that happen. We had a saying: In the old days there were the shady horse traders who often sold stolen or sick horses. Today they are replaced by shady car salesmen.
    I make one thing clear: Not all car sales men are shady. Many are successful without cheating anyone. And they deserve it.

  • @StackedOdds76
    @StackedOdds76 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love Doug’s story’s. I’m also happy to hear that someone out there operates with honesty and integrity in mind.

  • @midlam99
    @midlam99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Perfect story-telling Doug. Good delivery, eloquent and passionate.

  • @simbatable
    @simbatable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was 1976 the used car manager where I worked hooked up a creampuff of a car he was trying to sell an older woman to a brand-new wall-sized car engine tester The Sun equipment salesman had set up in our service department to show what kind of great shape it was in. The printout of problems was 5 pages long the car wasn't sold and the dealership didn't buy the machine. Good times.

  • @Baconrips
    @Baconrips ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve had my m3 in an accident and the guy writing the estimate was a car enthusiast. He made the estimate like 2-3 times what the car needed. I asked the insurance for cash not the repair and paid him to fix it afterwards. It’s sketchy what you can do now lol

  • @pamotorsports763
    @pamotorsports763 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I tried so hard to be an honest dealer. I still dont lie. But when i realized tht customers try to take advantage of you as much if not more i stopped being so open. Buyers are liars

  • @scofab
    @scofab ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The thing is... once you sell your integrity it costs a lot more to earn it back, if you ever can. Well done.

  • @werewolf195
    @werewolf195 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Many years ago I bought my wife a Ford Granada Scorpio 2.9L. Dealer someone had put Cosworth wheels on it and I guy had left a deposit on it over a month before, and not been back so he would cut me a deal (I thought that was suspicious ) car seemed okay for the money and I always had timing belt changed and a mechanic check before using cars. My brothers friend came to do the work said that the car was a solid real cosworth and had fun putting it back into tune . Lied to but came out well.

  • @SilentRacer911
    @SilentRacer911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And this is the literal reason I DO NOT LEAVE MY HOUSE. Everybody lies and nothing is going to change about that

  • @citizenfour9622
    @citizenfour9622 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    @7:55 - *YES, buyers are THAT stupid!* I sold vehicles for five years and buyers (especially women) will pay more if you just tell them what they want to hear. They don’t want to be helped, they want to be told they’re making the right mistake. I tried being honest, I tried steering them right, I even referred them to other brands on occasion, but no good deed goes unpunished. After losing enough deals only to have them cry on my shoulder after, I played the game and paid my bills … _and I ain’t apologizing for it either!_ 😒

    • @chadhaire1711
      @chadhaire1711 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You give advice and 95% will ignore it......I only give advice now so when they ignore me and get screwed I can rub their face it it for years to come....LOL...

    • @8PMFORMULA
      @8PMFORMULA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kinda like when Fox told their viewers the truth that trump lost the election and those viewers got mad and said " you are supposed to lie to us! How dare you tell us the truth! We are boycotting you!"

    • @kylegilmore3810
      @kylegilmore3810 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@8PMFORMULA rent free.

  • @joshuadoliveiro
    @joshuadoliveiro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the non-matching numbers story embodies why I'm numb after working with cars for just 3 years

  • @gtcam723
    @gtcam723 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “Butt dyno needs calibration” 🤣
    And this just sent me down the rabbit hole looking into 308s and 328s lol

  • @04dram04
    @04dram04 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My worst experience with cars wasn't from sellers, but from repair shops.

  • @galadrhim1
    @galadrhim1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I feel for you, man. But being honest is one of the best characteristics a man can have.

  • @jakethetool698
    @jakethetool698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Although I was only dealing with thousands, rather than tens of thousands, I used to have a blast buying and selling the Japanese built Toyota trucks, to exporters.
    In countless cases, I’d find a 5spd 4WD truck, for a decent price.
    After looking it over, I’d ask to do a quick test drive. I’d then swing by my Honduran friends, sell it for at least twice the asking price, and only then hand the owner the money for the truck.
    I also bought many, with my own money, and could sell every one of them to the exporters, in one sitting, knowing that Id find more, later that same day.
    Boy those were the days.
    I hate that they’re all now in Central America, but easy money was hard to say no to.

  • @tripprogers4814
    @tripprogers4814 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “..shady car dealers!”
    Ed repositions himself in his seat

  • @dennismason3740
    @dennismason3740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In my seventy years I've met a lot of bullies. I have walked off jobs, rent unpaid, to deny bullies. Bullies win? In what world?

  • @petej.8676
    @petej.8676 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Car sales people are alot like politicians aren't they?

    • @martuni1539
      @martuni1539 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Except car salespeople are occasionally held responsible for their actions

    • @boduke9428
      @boduke9428 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep. Including that they all act like everyone besides them is crooked. What's crazier is everyone knows and still allows it. The person is smart but people are crazy.

  • @Googlesucks653
    @Googlesucks653 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honest sales pays off at the end. Assuming you have negotiation and closing skills 💪🏻

  • @VINwiki
    @VINwiki  2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Do cheaters ever prosper? Sometimes, it seems. But not in the end!

    • @Realwaltersobchak
      @Realwaltersobchak ปีที่แล้ว

      This guy brags about any little win he gets over on someone it’s unfortunate he doesn’t have more stories headed south.

    • @Jesuslovesyouuuuu.
      @Jesuslovesyouuuuu. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Realwaltersobchakhe lost in practically everything in the vid bro

    • @viscountalpha
      @viscountalpha ปีที่แล้ว

      Eventually, it catches up to you.

  • @aabidamn
    @aabidamn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    15:22 Was probably the first time I ever liked the front end of a 996. It looks gorgeous.

  • @jasonwelch693
    @jasonwelch693 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how down you earth and easy going Foug is and How nonchalant he is when telling the stories about people threatening and wanting to sue him and what not

  • @ashdivakaran9664
    @ashdivakaran9664 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It’s good to see a Christian who doesn’t leave his integrity in church on Sunday

  • @marksummers463
    @marksummers463 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need to read the last chapter of a piece titled The Hatchet Man's Playbook. It's all about how lawyers can sell their clients out six ways from Sunday without the clients ever knowing it.

  • @matthawkinson9598
    @matthawkinson9598 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great channel. I have your content in my bedroom tv 24/7 for me and/or the car. Great guests. Especially like Doug.
    I’ve always been intrigued by the Patrick Adair ad - it looks like cool stuff. Ordered a ring for myself, triggered by today’s video - my 50th bday. Promo code “didn’t exist” at check out. No carbon fiber ring.
    Not that big of deal to me. I still ordered a ring from them I thought was very cool and at a reasonable price. Thought you should know. Keep doing what you are doing. As a 25-year veteran of entrepreneurship and son of a photojournalist. I have a lot of respect for your content.

  • @depthsounderdave
    @depthsounderdave 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What timing with the title. Just bought a 2021 Harley Pan America and then found out it has a salvage title. Wasn’t disclosed by the seller, one person at the sheriff’s office asked me what I wanted them to do, that it was “as is”. They didn’t even know it was a misdemeanor.

    • @Arby631
      @Arby631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A misdemeanor that could land the salesman up to 10 years in prison lol.

  • @stevenrais9360
    @stevenrais9360 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Frame is great" get there and there's a 3 ft long hole in it..."drives great" get there and it's like shifting in molasses

  • @boduke9428
    @boduke9428 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I feel Doug is the perfect person to answer this. Betcha he's got lots of experience with all those things. His demeanor just screams used car dealer.

  • @bradhuffjr777
    @bradhuffjr777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This used car dealer crying about another used car dealer reminds me of the song, "Crying Game!"

  • @stevemiller3082
    @stevemiller3082 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hesitate to tell anyone that my family sells used cars and not only used cars, we fix them and sell salvage titles vehicles.
    I believe I know that guy with the Porsche. I’m in Hartville, he just passed away and has several vehicles that are now for sale.

  • @jonathonsanders2508
    @jonathonsanders2508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's a terrible body shop if they need to blend all the way back to the doors for a front bumper on a Corvette.

  • @thomassohayda3375
    @thomassohayda3375 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish they were all as honest as Doug.

  • @DWR123
    @DWR123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoy your stories! Grew up in Moreland Hills, Ohio and worked for Fred Baker Racing and the Budweiser Cleveland Grand Prix before moving to Tampa Bay in 2007

  • @Tclans
    @Tclans 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this first story something for Steve Letho from Letho’s law?
    Let him look into it and maybe he’ll tear them a new one.
    Allso, ‘Butt-dyno’ had me in tears 😂👍🏼

  • @jmoney7289
    @jmoney7289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dude I love that guys style, gold Dayton's on the 450sl my god

  • @NotFarmerFlats
    @NotFarmerFlats ปีที่แล้ว

    I read the title of the video and immediately expected Rabbit to be telling this story.

  • @hoodoo2001
    @hoodoo2001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is about business, not just cars. Why I have stayed with State Farm for 50 years. They have never lied to me and have always come though. Do I pay more, probably, but the relationship means something.

  • @jerodrobinson4040
    @jerodrobinson4040 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The noise that disappears when the Clutch is engaged would be the Throwout Bearing.

  • @Falnky
    @Falnky 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When it comes to doing honest business vs having a Machiavellian outlook, I think a lot of people undervalue the stability that comes with having integrity. The ceiling of success is higher when you prioritize money over morals, but when your dishonesty catches up with you, there's no one you can turn to thanks to all the bridges you've burned. I, for one, would happily trade some income for a network of friends and colleagues who have my back when the going gets rough.
    I've been lucky enough to know some very successful men who run their businesses with honesty and integrity. None of them are Jeff Bezos-wealthy, but they give me confidence to know you can make more money than I'd know what to do with and still be a decent human being.

  • @Dude-tf4gb
    @Dude-tf4gb 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's not legally fraud unless the seller lies about something that has a material impact on the deal. Withholding information is not fraud. It would have been fraud to say that no work had ever been done on the car. The buyer failed to do due diligence. It sucks, but there is a reason the lawyer did not pursue this.

  • @jochemhanegraaf62
    @jochemhanegraaf62 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lol I have a 69 sportomatic, and totally understand why it shifts so weird

  • @daviddundas4140
    @daviddundas4140 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Remember test driving a Mitsy 2000 gto, Manual box felt harsh, so mentioned that and the dealer said go and see the guys next door who conveniently operated a gearbox shop, $150 for a new gearbox they said, Yeah Right I said and walked, 6 months later I saw the car parked in front of a business so I went and asked about it, the girl behind the desk said she brought it, 3 months later it was repoed cos there was money owing on it, they just got it back and the gearbox seized, scam dealers are everywhere

  • @James-vn8zb
    @James-vn8zb 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After reading the title, I expected it to be Rabbit talking about himself again.

  • @rhiantaylor3446
    @rhiantaylor3446 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its not just the possibility of losing a law suit that should concern a dealer, it is the associated publicity that the law suit could bring to wider public attention. You need a good friend in the media...

  • @Sawyer1117
    @Sawyer1117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If/ when I can get a super car I won’t buy from Ferrari of Houston. Can’t believe they did that

  • @ryanjofre
    @ryanjofre ปีที่แล้ว

    Selling cars was the longest 3 months of my life. A den of narcissists, criminals & psychopaths!!!!

  • @chrisraymond4804
    @chrisraymond4804 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t know all of the guys on vinwiki by name as I mostly listen to this while I’m working, but I’ve always really enjoyed this guy in particular. No nonsense and honest.

  • @magnatarbeing8749
    @magnatarbeing8749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just expect the worst in people , and you won't be disappointed or unprepared...

  • @striper8400
    @striper8400 ปีที่แล้ว

    Something satisfying about hearing a used car salesman tell stories about getting screwed, huh, gonna have think about that one, and possibly recalibrate my moral compass, ok, not gonna recalibrate…

  • @04dram04
    @04dram04 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The hardest part about all of this, is that when you pry when questioning a seller, they will often get offended that you dont take them for their word, and then refuse to sell the car to you. So you are damned if you do, or dont.

    • @cleverusernamenexttime2779
      @cleverusernamenexttime2779 ปีที่แล้ว

      You don't want to buy from people like that. They are hiding something. If not they would not have a problem answering questions.

    • @04dram04
      @04dram04 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cleverusernamenexttime2779 not always true. Many honest people can get offended when you ask questions that imply they could be lying

  • @sinnexz
    @sinnexz ปีที่แล้ว

    dude has the sketchiest stories.. i love it...

  • @paulmarshall9239
    @paulmarshall9239 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I buy and sell classic cars on a small scale (10-15 a year) as an aside to my garage business and i feel the general public would rather believe lies and flannel , when you try to stick to the truth it seems counterproductive, trouble is i cant help but be straight and honest as i dont want people coming back saying this or that - i want to be able to look everyone in the eye and say what ive done is right. I can well believe that story about the guy paying up even though hes been told it wasnt matching numbers, as they want the lies to be true so paying 10k more makes it so - the trouble is the honest man is on the receiving end of the whining!

  • @MrPland1992
    @MrPland1992 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did paint and body for years. You need to blend the bumper into the fenders and hood otherwise the slight difference in color is noticeable. Prolly hit just hard in the front enough to screw up the bumper and break the mounting tabs on the headlights.

  • @JR_harlow
    @JR_harlow 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Throw out bearing? Porsche not have a throw out bearing?!? That's what that one sounded like.

  • @04dram04
    @04dram04 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I once bought a car off ebay that had a clean title. When i put it in my name, it came to me as rebuilt. The title had been through a washing scam

  • @dc5mane
    @dc5mane 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why does he always remind me of Vasiliy Lomachenko 😂

  • @ChrisCardenDrums
    @ChrisCardenDrums 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Doug talking about people being shady car dealers is the ultimate level of irony.

    • @leeboo2521
      @leeboo2521 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You insinuating he doesn't have a good reputation in the industry?

  • @terminal-velocity111
    @terminal-velocity111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love a good car story! If only cars could speak!!!

  • @LambulanceLambo
    @LambulanceLambo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Doug has some of the best stories

  • @ivangudev322
    @ivangudev322 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doug is a bad shrewd negotiator. Right smack in the middle at 30K. Priceless.

  • @BijanIzadi
    @BijanIzadi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That second story is too funny 🤣

  • @StreetDrivenDaily
    @StreetDrivenDaily 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I could listen to these stories for hours.

  • @garyalgier4811
    @garyalgier4811 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of my favorite stories is I bought a porche 996 s with 36,300 miles after porsche 3 year lease
    They listed the car TMU so bought it 10k under market. I called porsche and got the records and they showed warrentee work done at and crossed the repair records and fixed it and Carfax fixed the records. Wahoo I made 12k on that beautiful porsche.

  • @samuelgirgiss1998
    @samuelgirgiss1998 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been a ferrari client for 3 years now, bought my first ferrari when I was 28 from a local “reputable” Ferrari dealership near me. I will say firsthand that when issues pop up that are their fault they will immediately pass the buck and put it on the client. Their rationale is there is more asses then seats when it comes to their products, so they will make you sue them and jump legal hurdles in order for them to make things right.

  • @Scythe_Voltage
    @Scythe_Voltage 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just got screwed on a 8100$ 2018 Kia. The guy only wanted to meet at night time and left 6 miles in the tank so I could test drive it far or go fast, 10 min later I buy it and drive it to the gas station, on my way home I go above 55mph and the steering wheel starts shaking, I let go of the steering wheel and it pulls to the right hard, next morning I go o ur side to wash it and there’s so much scratches and tiny dents my stomach turned. It’s been 2 days and it’s hard to go to work in the morning, it’s all I can think about and it hurts