In some of the videos that Steve made on the topic, it sounds like he's on a first name basis with some of the legal departments for these manufacturers.
@@frontspring1 I think the idea is that, if you win the case, all of the fees are paid by the person you are suing. So you don't end up paying for it.
Oh, this is just a "dip a toe in the pond" of Lemon Law stories. Some issues aren't even caused by a factory defect. Ask him about the Chrome Rims story. (I'm guessing Steve may have been the catalyst for manufacturers to stop working with a couple of dealerships in Mi.)
Oh, and I find it Deliciously Ironic that you go after the kinds of cars Steve would advice people to avoid. Also, how you mention that part of the cost of ownership of a high end or an exotic car kind of sounds like a system that just takes the car being a lemon as part of the price of ownership. (*COUGH* Land Rover *Cough*)
I once bought a 78 Camaro from an older lady. She said it had always been a great car. Except that it magically produced toothpicks. She said that she was finding toothpicks on the floor since it was new. About a year after I bought it,I had the headliner replaced. When I went to pick it up and pay the guy. He hands me a bag of toothpicks and said he found them under the front upper trim,by the sun visors. There was almost 400 toothpicks in there. Red ones,blue ones,green ones. There was also flat ones along with ones with paper wrapped ones from some restaurant in California that went out of business. 😆 Somebody at the Camaro factory had a sense of humor. LOL!
My Dad would get a toothpick at every restaurant he ate at ... actually, probably 2 or 3 for good measure ... and stick them in the headliner trim above the driver door or near the A pillar. When he had about a dozen or so, my mom would tell him to throw some away.
That was a thing back then people didn't litter they would use there ashtray or the corner pillar up by the ceiling nto put there toothpicks sometimes it would fill up lol
My dad claims that "back halfing", or welding two halves of a car together, is the major reason we have such insane salvage title laws in Illinois. It was a very common practice in the early days of unibody cars.
@@jammie129 My first job was in a body shop. They did this to a car while I worked there. I've been a professional welder for many years. Remembering how they put that car together, I can only think it was a death trap. Looked good, though.
@@phlodel i walked away from an apprenticeship at one for a similar reason. they used crap parts and claimed them as brand new. had one car come in FIVE times because they fucked it
I have literally been the mechanic stuck in this situation at a dealership. That's why good mechanics don't stay at dealerships very long and go to aftermarket shops.
I have a co-worker that used to work for a Dodge dealership and he said that the Dealership Mechanics actually get paid a Reduced Hourly Rate for Warranty Work. Now, when you purchase a new vehicle, what is the Salesman always trying to push: Extended Warranties. Do you really think the Mechanic is gonna go the extra mile?
@@gfoursux9, I bought a '70 Dodge Challenger when they first came out. Best handling, fun to drive car I've ever owned. It had one problem, it used oil like it had no rings of any kind in the engine. Short block failed in Alaska (from another problem) while it was still under warranty. Dealer replaced it, no problem. It still used oil like crazy! I get the car home to Florida and I take it into the local Plymouth after the Dodge dealer refused to look at it. An hour later the shop manager calls me to come back to the dealership. I walk in, my car is completely fixed and the service manager points to an intake manifold sitting on the floor. One side of it had never been ground down from when it was caste, thereby making the engine a four cylinder oil pump! So, as in the case of the seven engines Steve talks about, replacing the short block accomplished nothing as far as what was really wrong with the car. After that the car never used another drop of oil and ran like a proverbial top.
I had a lemon law attorney also named Steve, in California, also for a Chrysler product, that had frame and suspension issues making it dangerous to drive, amongst several other problems, yet they refused to fix it under warranty and even refused to honor a recall fix. They ended up paying for it big time.
Back when I was a dumb teenager I had a Jeep Cherokee that had horrible death wobble from 50-55mph, but being a dumb teenager my solution was always drive faster until it stopped
@@Jjeepin86 That's literally pushing through the problem 🤣... It's funny that still to this day jeeps and dodge trucks still have the death wobble problem that you have to get after market products to fix it, I'm not a fan of jeep and dodge for these reasons.
Talking about the guy who's steering wheel fell off reminded me of a story my mom told me about my dad's first car, which was this 50s or 60s steel bodied pickup truck that barely ran at all that he had bought from his brother for $80. They were driving down the road and my dad went to shift gears, and as soon as he popped it out of gear, the shifter same out. My mom and my dad just looked at each other and my mom says, "now what?" so my dad shrugs, jams the shifter back into the socket, finishes shifting into the next gear, and they keep right on driving. My uncle also told me about how for a while the truck had no working brakes at all. He would downshift and run into stuff to stop and that's not a joke.
My uncle told me about once when he picked up a girl for a date in that truck. For context, at the time he lived in a town in the mountains, everything was either uphill or downhill. So they're heading down a hill and the light at the bottom turns red and cross traffic starts going. My uncle calmly downshifts, but the truck isn't slowing down enough so he tells the girl, "put on your seat belt." she asks why bs he says, "just put it on." So she does, then he veers off the road into a tree. Again, it's a steel bodied truck, no damage at all. The girl asks why he did that, he explains, the brakes don't work. Why didn't he tell her the brakes don't work? Well, he wanted to impress her, he didn't want her to think he was driving a junker. So she asks what he's going to do if they have to go down any more hills. He says they're not going down any more hills, they're taking the long way around.
No, one's from this Former Judge who's no longer allowed to practice law in Michigan. Steve stopped taking cases in a certain part of Mi after having a few cases in her court and decide he'd rather pass on the business than step in front of her bench ever again.
Brother sewing machines, polaris, sea-doo, yamaha, kawasaki, can am, paccar, etc. might be some of the other dislikes. There are way too many companies to try to list
I worked for a GM dealership in the 90's All I did was warranty work, I felt so sorry for the customers who bought these crap vehicles. GM did not pay us to repair them properly, mostly just patching them together to keep them going until the warranty period was up.
I worked at one as well, the mechanics would always tell me not to buy certain models. The pickups seemed good, I still drive one, most things with the 4.3 vortec they said were good. The Buick's had good engines, the 3800 but the bodies fell apart. The Pontiac sun fires seemed pretty bad.
We ran Chevy or GMC WTs at work, all with the 4.3 engine. Employees were lined up waiting to buy them used. I heard of them making it to 300,000 miles before they got rid of it, still running. I bought 2 trucks myself, brand new with the 4.3 in them. Worst pieces or crap I ever owned. I don't understand it.
So many good candidates for the opening quote: "I've been suing them for 30 years they love me" "Your steering wheel falls of in your lap, the scary thing is it's got to happen more than once" "That's not acceptable", "Why?", "Every time I drive it over 50 the axel starts smoking" "Does a dealership really not notice that a car has been cut in half and stuck together again"
I am an HVACR technician and I can tell you a diagnostician is worth a mil. Finding the cause, not the problem is one of the most important things in diagnostics and it isn’t easy.
That whole "welding cars back together" thing actually was considered a valid repair option through the 80s in the US. Back then, body-on-frame was a lot more common, so I guess it made sense, but still, I'm shocked it lasted that long.
First time I’ve ever heard of a Frankenstein car is when I was at an accident scene where the Frankenstein car was hit by a pickup on the side. The car split in half, and both the driver and passenger were ejected and both died. They both were wearing seatbelts but it didn’t matter when the back of the car comes off.
I used to work at a Honda dealership that sold a certified used Civic that had once been two cars. They welded it around the top of the back window down to above the gas tank so everything was covered. Nobody knew until it went for bodywork (it was scheduled for repairs but the customer needed the car so they took it with the appt. scheduled) when they took the back seat out you could still see the different color from the floor pan to the trunk. People are very sneaky. The dealership immediately bought the car back and used it for miscellaneous dealership errands.
Also seen some hilarious videos of that from eastern europe, including one where they drive their 2 seater/2 driver lada in traffic, and make some really funny moves, ever seen a car *strafe*? Even one with 3 front ends (Russian fidget spinner).
A college teacher I had said he had a Ford in the 90s and it went through brake pads every two months. After 6 sets he went to a garage who diagnosed warped disks. Nobody at Ford thought to replace disks after after about 6 sets of pads
The same thing happened to my aunt. She had a Ford Bronco, which went through brake pads every 90 days or so. The dealer kept trying to fix it, but eventually gave up, as they couldn't figure it out. They gave her a lifetime warranty on the brakes, so she took it in every 90 days to get the brake pads replaced the whole time she owned it.
7 engines? Wow! My 1988 Dodge Daytona was almost a Lemon in Massachusetts...for the clutch. But on their last attempt (after 5 already in a year), they finally figured it out and corrected it. The car went another 130k+ miles after that without a hint of failure. During the failures, the dealer and Chrysler rep kept telling me I didn't know how to drive a stick. NOT! Cool stuff Steve and Ed!
One of my uncles used to own a junk yard and he “built” at least one car for my aunt by cutting two wrecked cars in half and welding the good halves together. He got a salvage title for the resulting car and my aunt drove it for a few years and she loved it. But it was honest, legal, and above board. By the time she was done with that car it went back into his junk yard. I suspect that he did that with more cars too.
We also call it a cut and shut in the UK, however, they are completely illegal here. When a car is involved in an accident, it’s only allowed very mild structural damage before it’s not allowed back on the road.
Ed always has the best of the best story tellers in the business on this channel... But Steve is bringing a wealth of knowledge as well. So glad to see him on here.
I am just glad that Lehto has a platform to talk a bit more in depth about the car side of things now, his channel has always been extremely interesting.
As a mechanic, I cannot tell you how many times Ive heard someone ask about the lemon law. They have a new car that broke one time, or even a used car that broke one or more times, and wanted to know how they could get their money back through the lemon law. The most common misconception I hear is that the lemon law applies to all vehicles new and used if bought from a dealer.
RVs have notoriously bad quality. Even here in Germany! They only make 500 of one model so there isn’t that giant amount of R&D going in that fixes all the issues before production starts. Also there are so many custom accessories that waterproofing is a nightmare. They find defects on every single RV and every owner needs to file guarantee claims. Most issues are electrical, waterproofing or interior trim falling off.
Lemon law is great. I'm glad it exists, but it sucks that people have to go through that. I'm sure people that spend money on a car, just want it to work and fulfill its purpose. Good thing guys like Steve are around.
Lemon law is 💩 you still end up paying for the damn car just in lawyer fees. Also takes years to get a take care of. Knew a guy that it took 2 years and he still had to eat half the value of a brand new F250!! Lemon law isn’t good enough.
What he described about how the American repair industry works is what happens when you concentrate too much control at the top. The guys at the top don't have much interaction with the product, all they do is numbers. Now there is a place for those kinds of decisions, but it's limited. Giving them too much control over fine details is like navigating a garden path with a truck.
The amazing thing is, they give these come backs to the same technician, every time. A buddy way back, was going through transmissions in a new 1984 Monte Carlo. After the third one, I said to make certain that there were two dowel pins in back of the motor, bingo!
My dad bought a car off his step dad who was a car salesman. It was a 1979 Ford falcon ute. You think you could trust your step dad right? Turns out that was 2 different cars welded together in the middle, and it was his step dad who did the welding. My dad didn’t find out until it started rusting....
Every day bub. In the industry they call that clipped. You could buy a 3rd gen f body but the front is a later ta and the rear is a early camaro but the rear lights and deck lid from the Camaro aren't right for a ta so you swap those from a third car. If it wasn't for taking the good parts from 4 wrecked cars and making one good one ed wouldn't have anything to drive.
If done properly the weld is stronger than the original metal so welding two halves of a car together is not a problem. If the welding is done by a moron however.................
I remember the Dodge Omni's from the early 80's...both of my parents had one....when the temperature got below freezing the door handles would easily snap off. It got to the point that you could buy them at every car parts store and they would be out on the shelves by the dozens.
@@reeddanj Why do you watch Vinwiki? I assume because you enjoy it? Maybe, just maybe, Mark enjoys the content that Steve produces, be it TH-cam videos or books, and wants to support him.
I've been watching Steve Lehto for years also. He comes up with some fascinating subject matter. He keeps it fresh, interesting and educational. Much better than the usual internet garbage.
I love the styling one those cars but where I live (Puerto Rico) a lot of those old 80s cars arent really seen that often unless there an old honda or toyota which were very very popular here on the island.
I purchased a Dodge Shelby Daytona (turbo) new, don't remember the year. Five speed manual with an advertised hp rating of 174 "snarling" horsepower. Even with just that little hp it was a handful when the turbo was fully spooled up. Lasted over 100,000 miles before I gave it to my teenage son, who killed it.
I'm glad to see two of my favorite channels doing a collaboration video. Now if you can find a story on a VinWiki car getting caught up in a federal asset forfeiture, you will hit the other highlight of Lehto's Law.
I live in India, never visited the USA or any other country but Vinwiki car stories gives me all the experience right here. Damn, all of the stories ever told here are so damn interesting and informative. Keep up the great work guys 💯
@@neekeyzonked5574 those stories end up as shorts on YT and Facebook. Rebuilding engines in the dirt, cut and welded truck frames with a hammer, 3 batteries and some fencing wire for filler rod, and transmissions where the gears are shifted by hand moving the selector forks themselves
Love the VIN WIKI stories. Keep up the great content. Steve Lehto is a Lemon Law Attorney Badass! I don't miss any of both your videos when they get posted. Thanks again for all your great content and advice. Cheers, Scott
That first story reminds me of 20 years ago when independant transmission shops would rebuild a transmission and not flush the shrapnel out of the cooler lines, a rebuild would last a year or two, and you would see cars for sale that were on the fifth rebuild
I have a sneaking suspicion that this is what kills many rebuilt 4L60Es. Shame GM didn't strengthen them from the factory for use in the Silverado and Suburban rather than using the same internals as an S10/Blazer/Sonoma/Jimmy, where the transmission was actually quite reliable as they didn't weigh 6,000 lbs unloaded and only pushed 200 HP at best with the 4.3, quite a bit more for the turbocharged Syclone and Typhoon but still lacking 10-15 hp from a 5.3 and still with half of the weight. Regardless, it seems like a rookie level mistake to forget to flush the forbidden glitter out of the transmission cooler and lines. That stuff's like stop slip to the extreme. Your transmission will not slip because it's too busy exploding.
Been watching Steve for the past year and he has some great cases, not just lemon law ones! Truly a great channel to understand why things happen the way they do.
Ive been a subscriber to Steve's channel for several years now. It's very interesting how he can capture our attention for a half hour on a these crazy stories.
A buddy of mine had a lemon once. IT was back in the shop every couple of months. The last time the dealer "lost the car". I took them months to find it and then they said It was too late to lemon law it.
That's the great thing about VinWiki- The stories are so good that it's not limited to car guys. I'm a car guy, my wife just cares that that a car goes. She enjoys the videos just as much as I do.
He also host a podcast/TH-cam show that's very law based educational stuff and his audience definitely has non car guys in it. Dude's done radio shows too before the streaming Era came along
And if you bought a nice car bring it to a high school parking lot and talk about the borla exhaust... but don't pick on the poor student with a classic doer upper.. it's the best he can do
Seen it many times when I worked at a dealer in the 70-80's. Actually saw a luxury car, less than 1 year old that had been BRAZED together! Right in the middle.
Not all lemons are actually lemons as well. I bought a 2017 volt that was a GM buyback. They gave me the entire service history on the car when I bought it and looking through it, it had had the ICE replaced once, however after that was a metric buttload of obviously frivolous complaints that dealerships couldn't reproduce, etc. It was pretty apparent whoever owned it just wanted a different car. I've had it over two years now and it's given me zero issues.
I’ve known people who’ve had really bad issues with Acura, Mercedes and Toyota. They had a few issues with the Toyota, but it wasn’t able to be lemoned because they got so sick of it before heading the final repair under Florida law. The Mercedes SUV was one of the first of the assembly line, and was basically haunted. software issues were weird messages with pop-up and Siri would act really strange. Also there be instances where the seats would lock during driving and not be able to be moved until the car was shut off and turned on. Lots of mechanical issues with that model. Somebody else had a Mercedes that had a really bad gearbox and it turns out the transmission was also bad but they only would replace the gearbox so that car had to be taken back. That transmission and drive train issue was the same as the Acura. Note: the Acura was in the early 2010s, both Mercedes were late 2010s and the Toyota was a 2021
Hundo, unfolded, hanging out of the left side of the Michelin Man. 355. WRONG! I looked at the next Vin-Wiki video and see no change where I was looking. It looks like it may be on the neon alligator.
In Germany we have a thing called "Sachmängelhaftung", means: for whatever (!) you buy from a shop has to have Sachmängelhaftung for at least one year. The first half, the dealer/shop has to prove, you did something wrong with the product or fix it for no cost. After half a year you have to prove something was already wrong by delivery. Means: if something is wrong within the first half year: no problem. If something is wrong after that: well, try warrenty. (it is a lot more complycated, especially part 2)
I had a lemon but unfortunately it was used. We spent thousands of dollars trying to repair an engine that never seemed to get better. I was desperate enough to pay the actual dealer to fix it. They couldn't figure it out. The last time they had it, an engineer from the manufacturer happened to be there and all the mechanics were standing around my car because it was such a mystery. When they told the engineer what was happening, he said "Oh, that's one of those defective fuel filters." :( We spent thousands of dollars due to a $20 part! Turns out even the replacement fuel filters didn't work either, so we had to re-engineer the fuel filter ourselves because the dealer wasn't able to fix it like it needed to be! Crazy. Great video!!!
@@likenem, unfortunately, most manufacturers don’t allow Canadians to buy cars in the USA. The moment you give your provincial drivers license, the dealership won’t be able to sell the vehicle.
We had a car come through the paint shop that was cut and welded together like his story. It’s the only time I’ve ever seen my boss hold the keys from someone and not let them drive away in their car. Apparently if a shop sees stuff like that they they’re liable and can’t let it drive out under its own power.
Glad to see Steve visit VinWiki and share some knowledge. Surprised he didn't slip a Chrysler Turbine mention in there somewhere, ha! Love the channel.
Does the dealership not notice, well they will claim they didn't. I recently looked at a truck where the antifreeze was full of oil, and they were claiming it passed their inspections.
So, in Australia you can import two halves of the same car to avoid the higher import tax. So a lot of JDM cars in the early to mid 2000s were sawn in half and welded back together. There were a few crazy accidents where the cars actually split in half killing people so they changed the law getting rid of that loophole. It’s not that uncommon for people to do that
When I worked for a dealer I had a customer that kept complaining about the battery going dead. It came in 3 times and the last time it was here for 2 weeks. It was hard to figure out because it would only draw power for a few minutes. Well it ended up being the passenger seat switch was stuck in the down position because the customer broke the cover. The reason we couldn’t figure it out is the seat motor has thermal protection so when the motor got hot it would shut off and not draw power but when the vehicle sits overnight the motor cools down and draw power and shut off and keep doing this. We install a new switch cover, the customer drove the car 3000 miles on vacation and when they came back they took us to court and won even though the problem was caused by the customer.
I had a car that had a roof grafted onto it because of a roll over, I didnt even know until I sold it, they did a great job salvaging it, never noticed a problem. This is still a legal thing in my province , in my case it was my grandfather who rolled it over in the first place my dad forgot to tell me LOL.
In the U.K. it can be quicker than two visits, you can sit down with the dealership and tell them the car is not fit for the purpose which it was sold. Our consumer law starts at a 1p sweet and goes all the way up to an unlimited value. If you can prove that something isn’t fit for the purpose that they sold it for then you can return it. Yes they’d like a chance to repair it under warranty but if it’s putting you in danger then you can reject it.
“They love me I’ve been suing them for 30 years!” 😂😂😂
In some of the videos that Steve made on the topic, it sounds like he's on a first name basis with some of the legal departments for these manufacturers.
My retarded as brain thought he said sewing and didnt think it was wierd at all. long day at work i guess XD
@@mackan98502 We've all been there before. Just enjoy the mistake and the new meaning it brings. ;)
Beat me to it. Shout out to Louisville, my hometown.
Do lemon laws work on used cara
An honest lawyer protecting common folk, rare to see
After u pay his fees of course.
@@frontspring1 I think the idea is that, if you win the case, all of the fees are paid by the person you are suing. So you don't end up paying for it.
@@frontspring1 In lemon law cases, the manufacturer has to pay the lawyer fees. Well, assuming they lose the case.
It happens every day.
common folk are guilty
There are some truly fascinating aspects of lemon law practices in the US. I am so glad Steve could shed light on some of them here.
These are not only great car stories, but greatly informative depending on the topic discussed.
Oh, this is just a "dip a toe in the pond" of Lemon Law stories. Some issues aren't even caused by a factory defect. Ask him about the Chrome Rims story. (I'm guessing Steve may have been the catalyst for manufacturers to stop working with a couple of dealerships in Mi.)
Oh, and I find it Deliciously Ironic that you go after the kinds of cars Steve would advice people to avoid. Also, how you mention that part of the cost of ownership of a high end or an exotic car kind of sounds like a system that just takes the car being a lemon as part of the price of ownership. (*COUGH* Land Rover *Cough*)
Thanks Ed.
Thanks for helping him share his knowledge Ed.
I once bought a 78 Camaro from an older lady. She said it had always been a great car. Except that it magically produced toothpicks. She said that she was finding toothpicks on the floor since it was new. About a year after I bought it,I had the headliner replaced. When I went to pick it up and pay the guy. He hands me a bag of toothpicks and said he found them under the front upper trim,by the sun visors. There was almost 400 toothpicks in there. Red ones,blue ones,green ones. There was also flat ones along with ones with paper wrapped ones from some restaurant in California that went out of business. 😆 Somebody at the Camaro factory had a sense of humor. LOL!
My Dad would get a toothpick at every restaurant he ate at ... actually, probably 2 or 3 for good measure ... and stick them in the headliner trim above the driver door or near the A pillar. When he had about a dozen or so, my mom would tell him to throw some away.
@@AllAmericanGuyExpert Why did he do that tho? lol
That guy was pissed he lost his toothpicks
Sounds like a dream come true. Come out of a restaurant with some food stuck in your teeth, smack your visor and get a toothpick
That was a thing back then people didn't litter they would use there ashtray or the corner pillar up by the ceiling nto put there toothpicks sometimes it would fill up lol
My dad claims that "back halfing", or welding two halves of a car together, is the major reason we have such insane salvage title laws in Illinois. It was a very common practice in the early days of unibody cars.
Maybe has something to do with all that rust you deal with in your shop lol
Hi Wes!
@@jammie129 My first job was in a body shop. They did this to a car while I worked there. I've been a professional welder for many years. Remembering how they put that car together, I can only think it was a death trap. Looked good, though.
its also called a Cut n' Shut.
@@phlodel i walked away from an apprenticeship at one for a similar reason. they used crap parts and claimed them as brand new. had one car come in FIVE times because they fucked it
I have literally been the mechanic stuck in this situation at a dealership. That's why good mechanics don't stay at dealerships very long and go to aftermarket shops.
I have a co-worker that used to work for a Dodge dealership and he said that the Dealership Mechanics actually get paid a Reduced Hourly Rate for Warranty Work. Now, when you purchase a new vehicle, what is the Salesman always trying to push: Extended Warranties. Do you really think the Mechanic is gonna go the extra mile?
@@gfoursux9 Your friend is 100% correct.
Facts!
Yup. Because we get all the shit work, and don't get paid as much as the other ones below us.
@@gfoursux9, I bought a '70 Dodge Challenger when they first came out. Best handling, fun to drive car I've ever owned. It had one problem, it used oil like it had no rings of any kind in the engine. Short block failed in Alaska (from another problem) while it was still under warranty. Dealer replaced it, no problem. It still used oil like crazy! I get the car home to Florida and I take it into the local Plymouth after the Dodge dealer refused to look at it. An hour later the shop manager calls me to come back to the dealership. I walk in, my car is completely fixed and the service manager points to an intake manifold sitting on the floor. One side of it had never been ground down from when it was caste, thereby making the engine a four cylinder oil pump! So, as in the case of the seven engines Steve talks about, replacing the short block accomplished nothing as far as what was really wrong with the car. After that the car never used another drop of oil and ran like a proverbial top.
“Cars, trucks, snowmobiles, personal watercraft, atvs, SEWING MACHINES. Things of that nature.”
All fun and games until the sewing machine you're driving throws a needle.
@@iambiggus hi iambiggus you made me LOL :-D SO hard the throws a needle that was funny thank you for the laugh iambiggus have good day :-)
Look up how expensive some
Sewing machines are ....
@@iambiggus you’re Biggus Dickus?
When your Toyota Sewing machine won't go. Who else are you gonna call?
This was a genuinely interesting video. Great stories.
Well hello there!
OMG GREG SALAZAR WATCHES WHAT I WATCH
Hey! Cool.
WTF BPS IN HERE TOO
Shit. Not often you see a name you recognize in the comment sections of videos in other genres. How's life, Greg?
"They love me"
"I've been suing them for 30 years"
I'm dead🤣
I had a lemon law attorney also named Steve, in California, also for a Chrysler product, that had frame and suspension issues making it dangerous to drive, amongst several other problems, yet they refused to fix it under warranty and even refused to honor a recall fix. They ended up paying for it big time.
Let me guess, the Sebring?
Imagine driving your car and then the frame just decides to leave
@@anynonymous1585 *smirks in Toyota Tacoma*
@@anynonymous1585 Laughs in anything driven up north after a few years
“It starts smoking if I do 50....”
“Well...drive slower”
Back when I was a dumb teenager I had a Jeep Cherokee that had horrible death wobble from 50-55mph, but being a dumb teenager my solution was always drive faster until it stopped
Roll the credits, problem solved.
@@Jjeepin86 That's literally pushing through the problem 🤣... It's funny that still to this day jeeps and dodge trucks still have the death wobble problem that you have to get after market products to fix it, I'm not a fan of jeep and dodge for these reasons.
@@smooth_ops2942 FYI Its not just Jeep and Dodge that get death wobble.
Reminds me of being a kid and telling my dad it hurt when I moved my arm a certain way and he'd tell me to stop moving it that way.
Talking about the guy who's steering wheel fell off reminded me of a story my mom told me about my dad's first car, which was this 50s or 60s steel bodied pickup truck that barely ran at all that he had bought from his brother for $80. They were driving down the road and my dad went to shift gears, and as soon as he popped it out of gear, the shifter same out. My mom and my dad just looked at each other and my mom says, "now what?" so my dad shrugs, jams the shifter back into the socket, finishes shifting into the next gear, and they keep right on driving.
My uncle also told me about how for a while the truck had no working brakes at all. He would downshift and run into stuff to stop and that's not a joke.
based braking method
Mans was going to places in life😂
My uncle told me about once when he picked up a girl for a date in that truck. For context, at the time he lived in a town in the mountains, everything was either uphill or downhill.
So they're heading down a hill and the light at the bottom turns red and cross traffic starts going. My uncle calmly downshifts, but the truck isn't slowing down enough so he tells the girl, "put on your seat belt." she asks why bs he says, "just put it on." So she does, then he veers off the road into a tree. Again, it's a steel bodied truck, no damage at all. The girl asks why he did that, he explains, the brakes don't work. Why didn't he tell her the brakes don't work? Well, he wanted to impress her, he didn't want her to think he was driving a junker. So she asks what he's going to do if they have to go down any more hills. He says they're not going down any more hills, they're taking the long way around.
@@michealdrake3421 HAAAA That’s gold
guy whose
The 4 dislikes must be from Ford, GM, FCA and Ram.
No, one's from this Former Judge who's no longer allowed to practice law in Michigan. Steve stopped taking cases in a certain part of Mi after having a few cases in her court and decide he'd rather pass on the business than step in front of her bench ever again.
@@jackielinde7568 Not until march18th
don't forget Singer Sewing
*Laughs in Toyota brakes*
*Laughs in VW Emissions*
Yeah, forgot didn’t ya?
Brother sewing machines, polaris, sea-doo, yamaha, kawasaki, can am, paccar, etc. might be some of the other dislikes. There are way too many companies to try to list
I worked for a GM dealership in the 90's All I did was warranty work, I felt so sorry for the customers who bought these crap vehicles. GM did not pay us to repair them properly, mostly just patching them together to keep them going until the warranty period was up.
I worked at one as well, the mechanics would always tell me not to buy certain models. The pickups seemed good, I still drive one, most things with the 4.3 vortec they said were good. The Buick's had good engines, the 3800 but the bodies fell apart. The Pontiac sun fires seemed pretty bad.
I had 2 trucks with the 4.3. It's a damn good engine.
I learned to not trust GM products in the 90s.
We ran Chevy or GMC WTs at work, all with the 4.3 engine. Employees were lined up waiting to buy them used. I heard of them making it to 300,000 miles before they got rid of it, still running.
I bought 2 trucks myself, brand new with the 4.3 in them. Worst pieces or crap I ever owned. I don't understand it.
@@scottcurry479 - GM probably 'upgraded' the 4.3 since then.
So many good candidates for the opening quote:
"I've been suing them for 30 years they love me"
"Your steering wheel falls of in your lap, the scary thing is it's got to happen more than once"
"That's not acceptable", "Why?", "Every time I drive it over 50 the axel starts smoking"
"Does a dealership really not notice that a car has been cut in half and stuck together again"
I am an HVACR technician and I can tell you a diagnostician is worth a mil. Finding the cause, not the problem is one of the most important things in diagnostics and it isn’t easy.
That whole "welding cars back together" thing actually was considered a valid repair option through the 80s in the US. Back then, body-on-frame was a lot more common, so I guess it made sense, but still, I'm shocked it lasted that long.
Back when repairing a vehicle at all costs was priority. Now they'll total a 50k car because the airbags deployed.
Would not bother me a bit to purchase a vehicle that the body was welded back together if it had a full frame
They’re “welded together” from the factory.
Its still done to this day its called clipping as long as u take it apart at the factory weld seems nobody would even no about it
It’s also called restoring when done on vintage cars.
First time I’ve ever heard of a Frankenstein car is when I was at an accident scene where the Frankenstein car was hit by a pickup on the side. The car split in half, and both the driver and passenger were ejected and both died. They both were wearing seatbelts but it didn’t matter when the back of the car comes off.
Lehto's law is one of my favorite channels on TH-cam
I used to work at a Honda dealership that sold a certified used Civic that had once been two cars. They welded it around the top of the back window down to above the gas tank so everything was covered. Nobody knew until it went for bodywork (it was scheduled for repairs but the customer needed the car so they took it with the appt. scheduled) when they took the back seat out you could still see the different color from the floor pan to the trunk. People are very sneaky. The dealership immediately bought the car back and used it for miscellaneous dealership errands.
Anyone remember when RedGreen welded two front halves together so he could have four wheel steering?
...”Remember when RedGreen” way to make me feel old!
Also seen some hilarious videos of that from eastern europe, including one where they drive their 2 seater/2 driver lada in traffic, and make some really funny moves, ever seen a car *strafe*? Even one with 3 front ends (Russian fidget spinner).
I remember the car, but I think he just duct taped them together lol
That’s the best episode!
Well, if the women don't find you handsome they should at least find you handy!
A college teacher I had said he had a Ford in the 90s and it went through brake pads every two months. After 6 sets he went to a garage who diagnosed warped disks. Nobody at Ford thought to replace disks after after about 6 sets of pads
The same thing happened to my aunt. She had a Ford Bronco, which went through brake pads every 90 days or so. The dealer kept trying to fix it, but eventually gave up, as they couldn't figure it out. They gave her a lifetime warranty on the brakes, so she took it in every 90 days to get the brake pads replaced the whole time she owned it.
7 engines? Wow! My 1988 Dodge Daytona was almost a Lemon in Massachusetts...for the clutch. But on their last attempt (after 5 already in a year), they finally figured it out and corrected it. The car went another 130k+ miles after that without a hint of failure. During the failures, the dealer and Chrysler rep kept telling me I didn't know how to drive a stick. NOT!
Cool stuff Steve and Ed!
We had an 87 Daytona Shelby. Blew 3 turbos in 70k. Was a fun car in manual though.
My Sisters 88 Turbo Daytona was always eating clutches and also axles. It also leaked like a sieve.
One of my uncles used to own a junk yard and he “built” at least one car for my aunt by cutting two wrecked cars in half and welding the good halves together. He got a salvage title for the resulting car and my aunt drove it for a few years and she loved it.
But it was honest, legal, and above board. By the time she was done with that car it went back into his junk yard. I suspect that he did that with more cars too.
Here in Australia we call the Frankenstein a cut and shut.
For obvious reasons they only shut
Sounds like an open and shut case.
We also call it a cut and shut in the UK, however, they are completely illegal here. When a car is involved in an accident, it’s only allowed very mild structural damage before it’s not allowed back on the road.
Some states in USA don’t allow any rust holes or frame welding.
Other states are the Wild West.
Yeah, well, anyone doing that in Australia can die of cancer. And their children can do the same.
Same term used here in the UK
hahaha, as a Finnish person, this dudes Viper licence plate says "Snake" :D It made me laugh out loud..good stuff Vinwiki and Steve!
I'm so glad to see Steve Lehto on the channel! I've been following him for years and if anyone has stories to tell about cars it's definitely him.
They've already released a video, so you need to go back and watch that one, too.
Thanks Ed for this video. You're helping out a lot of folks by educating them on their lemon law rights.
We need more stories from this guy
He has his own youtube channel
Ed always has the best of the best story tellers in the business on this channel... But Steve is bringing a wealth of knowledge as well. So glad to see him on here.
I am just glad that Lehto has a platform to talk a bit more in depth about the car side of things now, his channel has always been extremely interesting.
As a mechanic, I cannot tell you how many times Ive heard someone ask about the lemon law. They have a new car that broke one time, or even a used car that broke one or more times, and wanted to know how they could get their money back through the lemon law. The most common misconception I hear is that the lemon law applies to all vehicles new and used if bought from a dealer.
Throwback to Rabbit talking about clipping cars and welding them together and this guy saying it's common.
I watched that video yesterday lol
"Every car that gets clipped gets a vinyl top" - Rob Pitts
Rabbit is the biggest fraud on the Internet.
@@jamesrobinson9176 fraud? Not even close. He's an amazing salesman and a smart businessman
@@Cody6210 you must be new here. He's an ADMITTED fraud. Why do you think he's banned from Ebay?
RVs have notoriously bad quality. Even here in Germany! They only make 500 of one model so there isn’t that giant amount of R&D going in that fixes all the issues before production starts. Also there are so many custom accessories that waterproofing is a nightmare. They find defects on every single RV and every owner needs to file guarantee claims. Most issues are electrical, waterproofing or interior trim falling off.
And I thought German was 👌
NEIN NEIN NEIN land of chocolate you disappoint me
Lemon law is great. I'm glad it exists, but it sucks that people have to go through that. I'm sure people that spend money on a car, just want it to work and fulfill its purpose. Good thing guys like Steve are around.
Lemon law is 💩 you still end up paying for the damn car just in lawyer fees. Also takes years to get a take care of. Knew a guy that it took 2 years and he still had to eat half the value of a brand new F250!! Lemon law isn’t good enough.
Nope. Lawyers fees are payed by the manufacturer. Client should have nothing out of pocket.
@@ryand4533knew a guy-I bet you did,lied to you all the time too
What he described about how the American repair industry works is what happens when you concentrate too much control at the top. The guys at the top don't have much interaction with the product, all they do is numbers. Now there is a place for those kinds of decisions, but it's limited. Giving them too much control over fine details is like navigating a garden path with a truck.
This guy is awesome his channel is great. I hit the thumbs up as soon as the video loaded.
The amazing thing is, they give these come backs to the same technician, every time. A buddy way back, was going through transmissions in a new 1984 Monte Carlo. After the third one, I said to make certain that there were two dowel pins in back of the motor, bingo!
My dad bought a car off his step dad who was a car salesman. It was a 1979 Ford falcon ute. You think you could trust your step dad right? Turns out that was 2 different cars welded together in the middle, and it was his step dad who did the welding. My dad didn’t find out until it started rusting....
You clearly haven't watched enough porn. Step dad's can't be trusted lmao
@@dukedub that's certainly one way to get screwed...
Every day bub. In the industry they call that clipped. You could buy a 3rd gen f body but the front is a later ta and the rear is a early camaro but the rear lights and deck lid from the Camaro aren't right for a ta so you swap those from a third car.
If it wasn't for taking the good parts from 4 wrecked cars and making one good one ed wouldn't have anything to drive.
If done properly the weld is stronger than the original metal so welding two halves of a car together is not a problem. If the welding is done by a moron however.................
@@andrewallen9993 Welding , whether done well or badly , compromises the vehicle’s crumple zone in an accident.
I remember the Dodge Omni's from the early 80's...both of my parents had one....when the temperature got below freezing the door handles would easily snap off. It got to the point that you could buy them at every car parts store and they would be out on the shelves by the dozens.
lmao
Been watching Steve for several years. Even have a couple books he wrote.
Why?
@@reeddanj why not, learned some great things about law from him. Education is Education
He writes about various topics. This guy is a hidden gem.
@@reeddanj Why do you watch Vinwiki? I assume because you enjoy it? Maybe, just maybe, Mark enjoys the content that Steve produces, be it TH-cam videos or books, and wants to support him.
I've been watching Steve Lehto for years also. He comes up with some fascinating subject matter. He keeps it fresh, interesting and educational. Much better than the usual internet garbage.
Steve Lehto is a legend! Thanks for having him on!!!
Best guest yet. Steve was a breath of fresh air. Thanks for the content.
I live in Oakland County Michigan too! Never thought I’d see a local on here hahaha. Fantastic video.
This guy is awesome I've been following his channel for a few years now
Yeah, I've been begging to get Steve on VINWiki for years. ;)
Steve is a last of the good guy attys
Same. Interesting content and that dry sense of humor I enjoy.
Me too! Super stoked to see him here.
This video just made my day. I saw one of Steve’s videos recently where he was wearing a VinWiki t-shirt.
"Are there really that many bad cars out there?"
*Built On Friday has entered the chat*
It’s actually rush built on Friday to meet quota so we don’t have to work Saturday
Every day is a Friday in the Chrysler factories.
everyday is a lemon law day at chrysler
if you google "How Its Made : Lemons" they give you a tour of a chrysler factory
Im not kidding when I say I’ve seen brand new trucks with the death wobble. Car manufacturers should be ashamed.
I had a dodge Daytona in high school. They use to be everywhere, so many cars on that platform. When is the last time you have seen one on the road?
I bought one in 2011 when I was in high school. Fun little stick shift. It didn’t like the salt here on the east coast tho, poor thing was all bondo.
I love the styling one those cars but where I live (Puerto Rico) a lot of those old 80s cars arent really seen that often unless there an old honda or toyota which were very very popular here on the island.
I purchased a Dodge Shelby Daytona (turbo) new, don't remember the year. Five speed manual with an advertised hp rating of 174 "snarling" horsepower. Even with just that little hp it was a handful when the turbo was fully spooled up. Lasted over 100,000 miles before I gave it to my teenage son, who killed it.
My mom's neighbor down the street has 4
@@lshale7306 As I’m sure you know, it may have only been 17x hp but that is as great at the time. I would love a GLH-S or the Shelby CSX.
TH-cam recommendation sent me here. First time I watched something like this interesting and enjoyed it.
I'm glad to see two of my favorite channels doing a collaboration video. Now if you can find a story on a VinWiki car getting caught up in a federal asset forfeiture, you will hit the other highlight of Lehto's Law.
Glad you got Steve on I love learning interesting things about all sorts of Law related stuff on his channel
I love watching Steve he cracks me up and definitely learned a lot from watching him
I live in India, never visited the USA or any other country but Vinwiki car stories gives me all the experience right here. Damn, all of the stories ever told here are so damn interesting and informative. Keep up the great work guys 💯
I bet your shop mechanics in India have some great stories too
Hopefully you get to visit or even move to the USA one day. Pretty nice place to live.
@@neekeyzonked5574 those stories end up as shorts on YT and Facebook. Rebuilding engines in the dirt, cut and welded truck frames with a hammer, 3 batteries and some fencing wire for filler rod, and transmissions where the gears are shifted by hand moving the selector forks themselves
30 years of lemons stories, wow. I hope he comes back!
Love the VIN WIKI stories. Keep up the great content. Steve Lehto is a Lemon Law Attorney Badass! I don't miss any of both your videos when they get posted. Thanks again for all your great content and advice.
Cheers,
Scott
I really like these episodes from the point of the attorney, I would love to see more of this!
That first story reminds me of 20 years ago when independant transmission shops would rebuild a transmission and not flush the shrapnel out of the cooler lines, a rebuild would last a year or two, and you would see cars for sale that were on the fifth rebuild
I have a sneaking suspicion that this is what kills many rebuilt 4L60Es. Shame GM didn't strengthen them from the factory for use in the Silverado and Suburban rather than using the same internals as an S10/Blazer/Sonoma/Jimmy, where the transmission was actually quite reliable as they didn't weigh 6,000 lbs unloaded and only pushed 200 HP at best with the 4.3, quite a bit more for the turbocharged Syclone and Typhoon but still lacking 10-15 hp from a 5.3 and still with half of the weight. Regardless, it seems like a rookie level mistake to forget to flush the forbidden glitter out of the transmission cooler and lines. That stuff's like stop slip to the extreme. Your transmission will not slip because it's too busy exploding.
Steve is awesome. He told me how many more vids you have qued up with him. I was very happy to learn the number.
I never miss a Steve Lehto video. Was happy to see him here. Thanks👍🏻
This one was good, get him on again to share more. I could listen for hours
Steve is my favorite attorney and guest of VinWiki. I love his channel!!
Love this guy’s channel. Glad to see the collaboration!
Been watching Steve for the past year and he has some great cases, not just lemon law ones! Truly a great channel to understand why things happen the way they do.
Oh he's great so glad you got him on
Loved this one. Bring Steve back for more!
More Lehto! 🙌🏼
Steve stated on his channel that they filmed several videos.
He made over ten and has said he would do plenty more.
Ive been a subscriber to Steve's channel for several years now. It's very interesting how he can capture our attention for a half hour on a these crazy stories.
I really like Steve Lehto, but there is no denying he looks like Judge Doom from Who Framed Roger Rabbit when he goes toon...
NOT DIP!
Your not wrong
Bbbbbbaaaaaahhahahahahahahaha I'll never be able to unsee that
A buddy of mine had a lemon once. IT was back in the shop every couple of months. The last time the dealer "lost the car". I took them months to find it and then they said It was too late to lemon law it.
“For the non car guys watching”
So vinwiki has standup now? 😂
That's the great thing about VinWiki- The stories are so good that it's not limited to car guys. I'm a car guy, my wife just cares that that a car goes. She enjoys the videos just as much as I do.
Not a car guy, never owned a car, found this channel a year ago and can't stop watching car stories ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He also host a podcast/TH-cam show that's very law based educational stuff and his audience definitely has non car guys in it. Dude's done radio shows too before the streaming Era came along
I’m not really a car guy (certainly not enough to know what a short block is) and I watch this channel occasionally
I'm not a car guy, I just grew up around car guys and I like these kinds of stories.
"They love me, I've been using them for 30 years" this line absolutely killed me
If you're innocent, call Phoenix Wright.
If you're guilty, Better Call Saul.
If you bought a lemon, call this guy.
And if you bought a nice car bring it to a high school parking lot and talk about the borla exhaust... but don't pick on the poor student with a classic doer upper.. it's the best he can do
Seen it many times when I worked at a dealer in the 70-80's. Actually saw a luxury car, less than 1 year old that had been BRAZED together! Right in the middle.
Not all lemons are actually lemons as well. I bought a 2017 volt that was a GM buyback. They gave me the entire service history on the car when I bought it and looking through it, it had had the ICE replaced once, however after that was a metric buttload of obviously frivolous complaints that dealerships couldn't reproduce, etc. It was pretty apparent whoever owned it just wanted a different car. I've had it over two years now and it's given me zero issues.
This is with out question, one of the most interesting/informative Vinwiki videos to date!
I’ve owned 2 of those dodge Dayton’s and the engines never had issues but the transmissions would constantly go out .
There's only a handful of TH-camrs I watch every single day. Steve is one of them. Love his channel
"For the non-car guys in the audience"...The photo they used is a long block, Short blocks dont come with cylinder heads
I’ve known people who’ve had really bad issues with Acura, Mercedes and Toyota. They had a few issues with the Toyota, but it wasn’t able to be lemoned because they got so sick of it before heading the final repair under Florida law. The Mercedes SUV was one of the first of the assembly line, and was basically haunted. software issues were weird messages with pop-up and Siri would act really strange. Also there be instances where the seats would lock during driving and not be able to be moved until the car was shut off and turned on. Lots of mechanical issues with that model. Somebody else had a Mercedes that had a really bad gearbox and it turns out the transmission was also bad but they only would replace the gearbox so that car had to be taken back. That transmission and drive train issue was the same as the Acura.
Note: the Acura was in the early 2010s, both Mercedes were late 2010s and the Toyota was a 2021
Hundo, unfolded, hanging out of the left side of the Michelin Man. 355. WRONG! I looked at the next Vin-Wiki video and see no change where I was looking. It looks like it may be on the neon alligator.
Nice to see you've made over to VINWiki.
Damn. I couldn't find it this time. Sneaky Ben.... The Vinwiki set isn't very conducive to seeing anything. Pretty blurry.
Regular viewers of Steve's YT channel will get this joke.
@@joshuagibson2520 Nope. I am wrong. It looks like it may be on the neon alligator.
Yooo bring this guy back! Probably the most interesting stories in a while
He has his own TH-cam channel
Been watching Steve for years
Great lawyer stories
In Germany we have a thing called "Sachmängelhaftung", means: for whatever (!) you buy from a shop has to have Sachmängelhaftung for at least one year. The first half, the dealer/shop has to prove, you did something wrong with the product or fix it for no cost. After half a year you have to prove something was already wrong by delivery.
Means: if something is wrong within the first half year: no problem.
If something is wrong after that: well, try warrenty.
(it is a lot more complycated, especially part 2)
You finally got Letho. I’ve been watching him for years.
I had a lemon but unfortunately it was used. We spent thousands of dollars trying to repair an engine that never seemed to get better. I was desperate enough to pay the actual dealer to fix it. They couldn't figure it out. The last time they had it, an engineer from the manufacturer happened to be there and all the mechanics were standing around my car because it was such a mystery. When they told the engineer what was happening, he said "Oh, that's one of those defective fuel filters." :( We spent thousands of dollars due to a $20 part! Turns out even the replacement fuel filters didn't work either, so we had to re-engineer the fuel filter ourselves because the dealer wasn't able to fix it like it needed to be! Crazy. Great video!!!
We need some form of a Lemon Law in Canada....badly. As consumers up here, we get screwed with that a lot.
An ex girlfriend of mine is on her 3rd transmission in her 2019 Chevy Cruze and there's nothing she can do about it
Can yall just buy cars in America that are made in the U.S and hope the lemon law applies to non citzens
@@likenem my guy you know how expensive that would be?
@@tylerwilson4287 At least for the U.S, if a car i built by the big three you can drive a car straight across the border.
@@likenem, unfortunately, most manufacturers don’t allow Canadians to buy cars in the USA. The moment you give your provincial drivers license, the dealership won’t be able to sell the vehicle.
This was one of the best yet. Super informative and a nice peak behind the curtains you'd never get otherwise
We had a car come through the paint shop that was cut and welded together like his story. It’s the only time I’ve ever seen my boss hold the keys from someone and not let them drive away in their car. Apparently if a shop sees stuff like that they they’re liable and can’t let it drive out under its own power.
This is why I like watching VinWiki. Good stories with a ton of knowledge.
When I was younger we would beep and point at people’s car and see who pulled over. Most of the time they just flipped us off and kept driving.
please have this gentleman on again for more of these stories!
damnit Lehto, now im addicted to VinWiki
I've been following both channels for years. Can't go wrong with either.
Glad to see Steve visit VinWiki and share some knowledge. Surprised he didn't slip a Chrysler Turbine mention in there somewhere, ha! Love the channel.
Welcome to Lehto's Law. Here's Steve Lehto.
Does the dealership not notice, well they will claim they didn't.
I recently looked at a truck where the antifreeze was full of oil, and they were claiming it passed their inspections.
So, in Australia you can import two halves of the same car to avoid the higher import tax.
So a lot of JDM cars in the early to mid 2000s were sawn in half and welded back together.
There were a few crazy accidents where the cars actually split in half killing people so they changed the law getting rid of that loophole. It’s not that uncommon for people to do that
When I worked for a dealer I had a customer that kept complaining about the battery going dead. It came in 3 times and the last time it was here for 2 weeks. It was hard to figure out because it would only draw power for a few minutes. Well it ended up being the passenger seat switch was stuck in the down position because the customer broke the cover. The reason we couldn’t figure it out is the seat motor has thermal protection so when the motor got hot it would shut off and not draw power but when the vehicle sits overnight the motor cools down and draw power and shut off and keep doing this. We install a new switch cover, the customer drove the car 3000 miles on vacation and when they came back they took us to court and won even though the problem was caused by the customer.
Wasn't the vehicle's fault....loose nut behind the wheel that just wanted a newer car.
I had a car that had a roof grafted onto it because of a roll over, I didnt even know until I sold it, they did a great job salvaging it, never noticed a problem. This is still a legal thing in my province , in my case it was my grandfather who rolled it over in the first place my dad forgot to tell me LOL.
Funny thing is, Ralph Nader wrote "Unsafe at any Speed," but owned a Corvair.
It got auctioned of last year for about $1 Million
The dislikes are clearly from Car Manufacturers, Car Dealerships, and other car businesses that don't like car buyers knowing this stuff.
In the U.K. it can be quicker than two visits, you can sit down with the dealership and tell them the car is not fit for the purpose which it was sold. Our consumer law starts at a 1p sweet and goes all the way up to an unlimited value. If you can prove that something isn’t fit for the purpose that they sold it for then you can return it. Yes they’d like a chance to repair it under warranty but if it’s putting you in danger then you can reject it.