Is Fable 3 as bad as everyone says it is? - A look at Lionhead's failures
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Timestamps:
00:00- Intro
01:08- Prologue
05:44- Mechanics: The Decent, The Bad, and The Why
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28:25- Story Part 1: Big Bad Logan
41:04- Story Part 2: Leading to Disaster
47:08- Side Quests
52:34- Story Finale and Aftermath
55:44- Final Thoughts
01:04:42- Outro
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I think i've played through fable 3 twice, and both times it turned into a real estate simulator for me. So by the time i got to the end of the game I was so rich I didn't care.
That’s how it went for me too. The problem is that unlike the other two games, where getting rich was just a fun thing you could do, here it’s a literal necessity in order to get the good ending.
@@GearShotgun Right, I think my issue is the first time It happened it was a complete accident and took out any of the hard moral choices from the second half 😅
@@CarnageO31 I got the other half of the coin then, because the choices blind sided me and I went broke trying to keep all my promises. I figured that I’d have to fight through an army of bad guys at the end of the game, not throw money at the problem until it went away.
I liked what they were trying to do, but once you just figure out that housing part, that's it, games difficulty is over
It pretty much does become that, if you want to get the good ending. It’s the main reason why i buy Estates way early in the game.🐱
I started out as a hero, I had the people's interests at heart. I swore I wouldn't become my brother. But after seeing that I would have to buy every freaking property and work my ass off I became worse than my brother. I became the villain. Everyone died and my dog and I lived happily ever after with all the gold I took back at the last second. Oh and my wife gave me a STD. Thanks Peter.
So you really have to make 1 million gold? I got to that part and just said, nah, I don't care to play this anymore and out the game back in it's case. If I knew I needed a ton of money, I would have started buying buildings earlier, but being 100% for the people makes this task nigh impossible. It's such a stupid requirement to continue the story.
Tell me: after you get the money, is that the end of the story?
@@Frostgnaw I think you need 7 million to save everyone. And i know you have to unlock the landlord perk to even buy property which was a dumb decision in my opinion. As for the end of the game there's really nothing to do. You get a few quests to do but they're kinda boring. And there's the DLC that unlocks after the main game. It's alright but pretty forgettable.
dude i deadass ghad no npc for like 20 hr of gametime after the end cuz i didnt have the money lol
Peter?
@@genghis5381 Peter Molyneux, the creator of Fable
I really like that little detail in Fable 3. Your character is magically inept, so he has to use magical gauntlets to substitute. The system itself is rather bland, but the explanation is pretty cool
True, that's the in game explanation that I made for it and the 2nd one.. that the heros bloodline got watered down over the generations and lack of training.. like the hero in the first game is HUGE, tall and jacked, like a GOD among men, the second a big man sure, 3? I really couldnt tell at all over than the arcane markings that I was better at all
@@frederickdawson2253 Skill unlocks make you tallER but yeah.
not that you're character is magically inept, more that their magical power just hasen't been awakened.
Both the hero of Oakvale and Hero of Bowerstone had their magical power awakened by the Guild, but the Hero of Brightwall never had such an experience, hence the gauntlets.
Heroes Guild is gone so there's no way to awaken their blood to allow ability to channel willpower into spells. So the unawakened hero needs some means to channel that power, the gauntlets serve as a more appropriate means to channel than using a staff as it blends better with Fable's combat system than adding wands (though a Brit gaming company not taking a swing at a reference to another popular Brit book series about wizards is an odd, low-hanging fruit to not swipe at)
@@acrienteangelic1862yeah, plus the hero of Oakvale had his blood/powers awakened twice, once by his sister and the second by his mother.
The most frustrating part of this game for me is that there is exactly *one* part of this game that I enjoy, and I can't find another game that's done the same thing, let alone done it well.
There are many games out there now where you rule a territory, make laws, and make difficult decisions. But no one where you can *walk around in that territory and see the consequences of your actions* take place around you. You removed the drinking limitations? Well now there's a bunch of drunks everywhere. You drained the lake to open a mine? You can now go into that mine. Decided to open a sewage factory? Guess what new building you can walk to.
It's such a simple concept that I know must have taken a lot of work to implement, and occasionally I'll force myself to slog through the first half of the game just to play the second. But I really, really want to play a game that takes that concept and does it well.
My biggest frustration with Fable 3 is that it could have been my favorite game of all time, if only the devs were given more time.
You summed up my emotions perfectly. I would love a game like that.
This would be a huge addition so by no means a simple thing but I'd enjoy family and lineage stuff too. I really like the idea of raising a child and your choices effecting but not entirely deciding how they turn out. Needing to pass the torch to them, will they build upon your ideals or be entirely opposite kind of person.
I'd like to see the needs of the kingdom as well as the goals of every next monarch to shift and change, sightly or dramatically based on your success for better or worse. Perhaps your kingdom began as one that valued the arts and sciences but it slowly wanted to or needed to become some militarized and controlling place.
@@RoosterFloyd Fun fact: In Fable 2 there was gonna be a gameplay system where if your character had kids and died you'd take control of one of your kids.
I agree, I still playthrough Fable 3 every now again just for that. The only game I've really seen where you can see your impact so directly is something like Kenshi world states
Like really bro no game has come close to this these games I think dying light 2 has the closest consequence’s system
In Rome: Total War you can basically do that to an *extent*
Ah yes fable 3, where you can literally save everybody by making pies for days or owning and renting out every piece of available building.
Or just playing a damn guitar.
Or forging blades, my favorite
And they'll treat you like an evil tyrant for doing it. Those ungrateful fucks. For me it was swords. I was even thinking "hey we can use these during the big battle that's gonna happen eventually". Where was my thanks?
Considering how much fucking money you get from owning buildings and how LOWERING taxes steals money from your pockets while raising them just gives a lump sum one would wonder why the hell Logan with all his efforts to make money DIDN'T ENFORCE ACTUAL TAXING? Since apparently the taxes are just yelling at people to hand you all their money or giving money to everyone while rent makes more money then the entire kingdom does over the course of multiple years.
what i hated is the whole oh you need money to help save people but if you select these bad options then everybody will hate you also you cant just tell them what the fuck is going on
The no menus thing was so arduous, it made selecting weapons or outfits way more of a hassle than it needed to be. Don't make me physically WALK to my options menu, just let me select it from another menu, menus are in every game because they WORK.
Especially on the 360. I have PTSD from those loading times.
It also ripped you out of the world - literally. Not only was it cumbersome, it also damaged immersion a ton every time you conveniently teleported into your nice little castle cellar.
I think it was supposed to make choosing your weapon a more important decision and to not just be able to have whatever weapon whenever and have more focused play style
@@cptKamina ya this video was negative but it would of been some screaming if he had to deal with the old load times
@@Brandon_Brando Seriously. It was pretty much unplayable.
I absolutely loved the butler’s quips in the map room, hell even my wife still quotes the swagger stick line and never even played XD
He's voiced by John Cleese, so of course most of what he says is going to be hilarious
The absolute best part of fable 3 for me has to be the art. All of the posters in the loading screens, the paintings on the walls of houses, they have such a strong style to them. I had looked up the guy who did all of those last time I played it in 2019 because it really was the saving grace for the game for me. I'll have to find who it was again.
it may not have been the most amazing game as far as the story/gameplay goes, but why do i remember it as one of the best games of my entire life? looking back on it, its because it was pure art, the game was a work of fucking art. i was immersed like no other game in this work of art
This game is in the "fuck you, I liked it" category even if it IS enormously flawed
best way to describe it.
Pretty much
Fun to play, but a sad shell of the previous entries
Same but man I hope fable gets some final love of we ever get that next installment
@@derianardor There's a reboot coming already. a short trailer for it was released a while ago
I used to know a dev for Lionhead who worked on this. I remember her being really frustrated with new ideas coming in from on high and not being given the time to properly implement them
that would explain a lot of stuff.
Makes sense Peter Molyneux is very obviously an idea guy who never seemed to actually understand if what he wanted was feasible or even possible.
It doesn't surprise me, Peter Molyneux is the guy who was literally inventing stuff during interviews that his team had to then include in the games. Must have been hell to work for him.
I'm in semi-regular contact with some old Lionhead devs via discord and such, (including Dene Carter, one of the OG creators of the franchise and a founder of Big Blue Box,) and this seems to universally be one of the biggest shared frustrations from all of them. Hell, Microsoft execs basically had them grind this game out start to finish in around _maybe_ a year-and-a-half, directly after FII's release. That this game is even as polished as it is is practically a small miracle.
Which brings me to something that bugs me about this video:
The assertion that all/most of the problems with this game were caused purely by the devs. Sure, some of them were-no one's perfect, and I think everyone knows by now Peter has a lot of trouble with over-promising and not keeping his mouth shut-but a huge factor in the degradation of the franchise over time was repeated executive meddling. Microsoft was essentially treating Fable like a vehicle for neat tech demos rather than a fucking RPG series. There's literally an article on screen showing a case where execs and marketing weren't cooperating with art director John McCormack as Salt makes that point.
That sounds about right. As with a lot of "Triple A" games being developed around that time seemed to be suffering that at higher rates. Mass Effect was also made simpler with each successive game. Along with Dragon Age from what I know as I stopped buy those games after how the second one turned out. Not certain as to why, but the publisher side wanted more direct influence over the games development. Like adding multiplayer to an RPG game or a massive amount of shallow DLC.
So glad you covered this. Fable 2 is one of my all time favorite games. I was so excited for 3. At first I hated it. But on more play throughs, it ended up being another favorite of mine. I genuinely enjoy the game.
having your starter weapon morph throughout the game as it gets stronger was nice, but it meant you were 100% gonna get the bone handle since you only fight skeletons up until the first upgrade
Yeah i hated how random the weapon changes were
I remember there being a lot of lore that never seems to get mentioned in the fables games. Like the Court, the King and Queen of blades and the original tattered spire. I have no idea where the lore came from but I wish it was explored more in these games.
The spire is mentioned a couple times in 3, and if you go to that area where you can help make that village stretched across some small islands, you can see the spire in the distance. Think that and one other spot are the only places can see the spire
And plus the Spire takes a center focus in that Kinect game.
@@fizz2151 Motion controls are always really shit for gaming unless its a polished VR game. Proof of this being how most sony studios didn't bother with the motion controls of the PS4 controller and it was quickly abandoned by all devs.
@@_gungrave_6802 okami on the wii used motion controls to amazing effect.
@@samreddig8819 Okami was an outlier, and didn't sell well.
@@WobblesandBean that doesn't contradict my point.
The Alien creature is from this dimension called the Void, it's where Jack and the shadow court are from. It was semi sealed off by the Tattered spire when William Black was around.
Though it did come out of nowhere and it just seemed like they wanted to have another void monster for this game
If all of that was included in the main campaign somehow, then it would have been wonderful. But seeking this sort of information outside the game to understand what's going on in game shouldn't be mandatory
@@CoOlKyUbI96 ^ This.
it still ain't half as interesting as jack, not helped by seeing the dang thing only twice
@@CoOlKyUbI96 Honestly that's a major issue with a lot of Fable's lore. For example, you don't really get much info on Jack of Blades in Fable 1.
@@austincantswim3383 Yeah, it's only in tlc/anniversary's extended story that you get indications that he's an actual eldritch non-human thing, not just an evil guy who really likes that mask.
As much as I despise the “pause menu,” the moment when the evil is corrupting your sanctum the butler vanishes and the music just cuts out when you pause is amazingly creepy
Man, I love this game. I recognize all its issues and whenever people say they hate it I can't fault them; but something about the game just has me adoring it.
Same here. My biggest complaint in 2 and 3 is no bosses like there were in fable 1. But I still enjoy these more than fable 1.
The day 2 and 3 become available on Steam I will poop my pants in excitement.
*unpopular opinion*
I love fable 3 just for the fact I'm a princess/queen 👸💖
Same lol, everything about this game is bad but for som reason I love this game
For real only reason why I know this game is cause I played it with my grandmother all the time. So I decided to buy the game again and it's coming Monday I'm so excited 😂 I miss her tho
It's called nostalgia
The main thing I remember about this game is that I was so good it was absurd, and I funded the ENTIRE KINGDOM with my sword making business. Literally made thousands ands thousands of the fucking things. I had no friends. And then the people acted as if I was making all the evil choices simply because I was so absurdly rich.
@@AlphaCarinae typically billionaires don’t get there by forging thousands of swords by hand.
@@AlphaCarinae I said by hand
@@AlphaCarinae when Jeff bezos makes all that money by hand crafting every product he ever makes and not through serf labour, bribery and tax evasion then holla back at me otherwise no.
@@AlphaCarinae na I hate the cheaters who change the game rules 🤣
Literally funding AND arming the whole kingdom by himself. What a chad.
The biggest aspect that made Fable 3 worse for me, was that a lot items got over simplified. I loved comparing different weapons, attires and food items in Fable 2. Especially the item descriptions of the different star ratings, where one of the funniest parts. Another nickpick I had early on, was that the guild seal looked so weird. It looks like a cheap slighty melted, low res piece of plastic.
While I liked that weapons grow with you, I noticed very quickly that weapon types you use often and the last leveled weapon skill (melee or range) heavily affected the drops. During my first playthrough I pretty much only leveled melee. After getting the pistol in front of the mourning wood fort I put ONE level into ranged and used the pistol, because it had a bonus vs. hollow men. My next 5 random weapons where 2 pistol and 3 rifles and all of them had challenges to become shotguns. After that I used only one of the four weapon types per playthrough, to ensure that I got decent drops.
Yeah 2’s weapons and clothing were the best of the series
I agree. And the points you've mentioned can also be seen in other aspects of the game such as socializing with NPCs
The thing that really annoyed me was the fact that magic was bound to gauntlets, so while you could combine the magic you could only use 2 at a time instead of 3.
As a fun little detail, Fable III actually does look at your Fable II save file and references the protagonist of Fable II as male or female depending on which you played, which is a simple but cool way to connect the games more cleanly for individual players.
It defaults to female if you don't have a playthrough on PC.
@@barrybend7189 I mean u cant have a playthrough on pc since the game never got ported
Mass Effect is WAY better at reacting to player choices between games lmao
@@agooddaytorespawn57 probably because you play the same character in the first 3 Mass Effect games while fable 1, 2 and 3 you play completely different characters and the time between the 1st and 2nd game are a few hundred years and between 2 and 3 a couple of decades. Does not even make sense to compare the two.
@@Stefanius058 right. Dragon age has the player be different characters between games and still accounts for the other characters' existence by having scant references to them, as well as having recurring characters as followers.
Fable is just ass, your bootlicking does you no credit.
The games industry: "This FPS/Platformer/Beat em up/Shooter needs more RPG elements."
Also the games industry: "This RPG has too many RPG elements."
That first comment is Ubisoft in a nutshell but with dogshit execution
@Bloodhurl67 because they want a live service revenue coming in . The games are just keys to ur wallet..they banking in all the dlc and time skipers.
@@forresttilghman1098 live service has nothing to do with it.
Thanks to this, looking back I've noticed a sad annoying trend with magic in game series, arguably the first game has the most, then the 2nd and 3rd games heavily reduce it. It's something that has always annoyed me about dragon age.
Or TES
Yeah that always pissed me off in fable since it was the only game I enjoyed using it in.
The thing is it makes sense in Fable for magic to be reduced as the blood line of heroes become more mixed but i hated how magic in dragon age was reduced
It makes since for this series though. The heroes guild no longer exists, heroes are no longer as common, and industry is taking over.
I get that for Fable it does make sense, the whole March of progress & industry, loss of the old heros blood and knowledge... but that doesn't make it any less annoying for those who do enjoy magic. Magic always feels like it's the first thing gutted in a series, generally over fears of balance.
I feel like “great ideas, poor execution” is literally the description of all of the Fable games
First one was great all after we're garbage
I just like that of you saved in a certain place under specific circumstances you could make your character have some awesome ratios o f1
@@nonebusiness2023 garbage? No aquaman on GameCube is garbage. These were just meh.
Please stop saying this about every single piece of media that sucks. Fable 1 had grand ideas, nothing particularly good or clever, and passable execution. Fable 2 had novel/neutral/disappointing ideas with shallow execution, Fable 3 had terrible ideas (no f**king menus, no health, be fat to upgrade weapons?) whose execution was irrelevant because there's no way they would've ever worked in the first place. Fable 3 was fundamentally broken before a single asset was made because what it wanted to do wasn't worth doing in the first place.
Sometimes ideas are just bad. Sometimes games are just bad. It's okay. You don't need to come up with some excuse for it.
Uh no, Fable was gold. 2 and 3 were shit.
There are two reasons why Fable 3 will always be a guilty pleasure of mine.
First and foresmost was it was the first game I found that held not only a magic to it that I had yet experienced in video games, but it also allowed me to create basically my ideal princess. Yes that sounds strange but I'm a designer at heart and wanted to see just how far this game went in terms of what I consider "elegance".
Two and arguably the most impactful is that it was last good memory I had of my uncle. I still remember him asking me what I wanted for my birthday; it was just a day past and we went to gamestop that night and bought this, along with some Subway. Then two days later on Halloween, he shot himself in a park - he was 26. I turned 27 just a last week.
No matter how dated this game gets, it will always be one of my treasured memories and I'll never get tired of playing through it. The crashes? That's a different story.
Too bad the game's boring to play, has no content after the main story, and also isn't funny in the slightest.
Great comment, it's also a guilty pleasure of mine, RIP to your uncle
@Xianxia those are literally subjective taste and better posted in general comments rather than reply to someone's personal story
Don't let anyone take away your enjoyment of video games, even if a large group of people consider it bad. Literally the only thing that matters is whether or not you enjoy it!
@@trustytrestwasn't necessary there man thats kinda gross antics, even from a web troll
One thing i loved about the logan overthrow is he draws his blade ready to fight to the last stand until he sees its you leading it and is like "nah i understand"
The biggest problem with the weapon morphing system is that because of how linear the game feels and how it limits you early on with the ways you can fight and the enemies you can fight, most players get very similar weapons to each other for the most part no matter what
Yeah i had to look up how to get a specific morph and still it wasnt guaranteed because the game choose at random, played 3 times and all my weapons had at least 3 same morphs between them
Yep, almost always had the same morphs no matter what I did.
I thought cool, I get real cool looking hammer, but every time I played I got the Bone Shaft because of the Mourningwood fort defense in the main quest, which didn't look so good when the head was very steampunk like
If I'm not mistaken, all the named weapons had predetermined morphs and only the default weapons you have no reason to use had random morphs.
@@caffeinefreak2274 this is very true, but I was specifically saying that the basic weapons don't get the chance to really morph much between any player because of how controlled things are. If the game was open World and you could go anywhere and fight and do anything in the world even early on, then maybe you'd actually get the chance to have different weapon morphs.
I gave my friend like 100k gold at the start of his first playthrough which made him so rich he got to pick all the good choices and save everyone meanwhile my world was just totally empty lol
he didn't mention this when talking about the slow time and summoning potions, but they become more effective the higher your magic rank is, so if you use spells a lot and have all the ruins on your body then you slow time longer and summon a lager number of stronger monsters.
Fable always felt like a series that coasted off of fond memories of the first game and the potential it had. Each following game seemed to focus in on specific things no one really asked for whilst moving away from a lot of the fun moments of the first.
I'm not holding my breath, but hopefully a new studio not stifled by the scatterbrain direction of molyneux will see some of that potential realised
Logan is easily one of the biggest misses of Fable 3.
His big twist comes from literally nowhere, and his behaviour up until your visit to Aurora makes no sense with the reveal of the Crawler. They basically had two different ideas for Logan and half-assed both.
And if Fable 3 did do proper boss fights, an actual fight against Logan at the end of the Revolution would've been a great moment. Could've shown him to actually be a Hero in such a fight, and let him access to all the bullshit power the player has.
He actually comes across as completely pathetic once you take power. It's one thing to compromise your morals for a greater purpose , but it's a whole other thing to compromise your morals and have nothing to show for it. Logan is worse than evil, he's incompetent
That what disappointed me the most towards the end of the game, as I thought you'd get to fight Logan, only to then surrender easily, after battling your way to the castle. It was definitely poorly executed. Felt like there should of been something more. I did like the Crawler fight idea to lead to something emotional, as I did like Walter. Thought I felt like more could of been done with the Crawler as well than just seeing the Crawler twice.
For real. He’s from the same blood line…. Why wouldn’t he have powers?
@@Agencyagent34 IIRC its explained in the universe that the midi-chlorians or whatever don't pass on to every descendant. But it has literally been 12 years since I played it, so grain of salt.
@@oz_jones it kinda makes sense but not really. There’s no reason they wouldn’t have heroic blood, but perhaps he took after the parent without powers.
I will say, I do have a newfound appreciation for the story after watching the full Fable retrospective from YourFavoriteSon. A lot of lore behind Albion that never really gets explained all that well in any of the games. The Crawler for example, was actually a monster from another dimension that showed up as a result of the spire being built before the events of Fable 1. And then the spire got destroyed, rebuilt in Fable 2 and whatnot. But the Crawler never was killed or anything. It then makes its grand reappearance in 3 to finish what it started prior to the events of the first game.
One thing that you missed, is that original weapons would evolve with how you played, but they overloaded the beginning making it that your weapons realistically can only have 1 or 2 looks. Example, very early on in the game you have to go through the library killing all the hollow men (and there are A LOT of them) well, now your weapon has the "Killed a lot of Hollow men" look. You wanted it to look like something else? Too bad. You could just use magic to kill all the hollow men, but then your weapon has the "Uses a lot of magic look." So while even if what Peter said of having 1,000+ weapon varieties, it is borderline impossible to get any of them.
My biggest complaint has always been the count down to the final battle with the big bad goop monster... I don't mind a count down, but I hate a dishonest one. They could have said you have X days left, and given me that many days, I'd be fine with it. They could have said you had a year, then skipped a month every time you did an event and I could have easily worked out that I had 12 events before big bad. They could have given you a second count of events left before big bad as well as the in game day count... But no, they gave you in game days, passed them at a variable rate, and in general left me and many other people I have talked to pissed off that the ending snuck up on them way too fast, that the game lulled them into thinking they had plenty of time then fucked em over... and its just needless, nothing had to change outside of dialog boxes to fix the problem.
Apparently, the PC version gives you a prompt to commission the army before the last day ends. But for those of us who played on console, it literally came out of nowhere, with no warning that the game would literally skip a third of a year to the day of the battle.
@@Boredman567 Yep! Fairly sure that was patched at some point on PC, but console is still a blindside to this day.
Its a shame, because I remember really enjoying the game, was in the middle of pouring time and effort into trying to get a good ending without abusing the property system too hard and suddenly the game ended itself and everybody died... Really a big kick in the dick after three games.
Yeah I remember it being something stupid like 90/100 days left then boom final battle. When the previous choices went by in increments of 30/40. Thankfully I read up on beforehand.
I already owned everything and since there was no time limit to the days I juat took my sweet time resulting in me being richer than fucking GOD when the monster came.
I threw a fuckton of money at the problem and bam, everyone's happy.
I was just amazed people didn't catch on w the jumps in time first round.
What I didn't really like about Fable 3 is the last part: it boils down to "wait until something happens" and "choices don't matter if you have enough money to throw at it".
Really a disappointment.
At least it was realistic in that aspect.
yeah I kind of feel like they were trying to make a statement about the world in todays age...
The third choice really was a simulation of what made Britain so prosperous in real life: free trade and capitalism, ho!
Sure, you CAN build up.a fascist cabal with Reaver to socialism your way to a rich kingdom, but everyone else who isn't Reaver suffers. Or you can be a venture capitalist and invest in the upkeep of Albion's homes and businesses, and see returns in dividends as more prosperous people means the same tax rates get more money for the royal treasury.
Part of what carries this game for me was the local co-op. Being able to play for the first time with my brother and doing our run with matching red and blue chicken suits is something I couldn't get out of the first two games.
Fable 2 had local co-op as well.
@@barrybend7189 Character outfits/weapons/story progression didn't carry over, you were forced to play from preset characters (at least XP carried over). It was a weird "lite" co-op that was better than nothing but didn't let you feel like you were on the journey alongside your partner.
Would love to see you do something like this with recent releases. Underrated and SERIOUSLY accurate.
Always great content
Ahh, the good ol "I don't updated while you're sprinting" sparkle trail. I do recall that being endlessly frustrating. Personally, I always found the second installment to be the most compelling, though I always hated that they removed armor.
Yeah, Fable 2 is the best game in the series IMO
I remember when I went to buy this game, I was standing in line for checkout and the guy in front of me was returning it. I wanted to like it, I really did but it was just so deeply flawed. Still, I had my fun with it. I remember doing a playthrough where I deliberately prepared for the crawler as poorly as possible to get max casualties. Everything was the same as in a regular playthrough but every villager npc was dead. My spouse and the guards would just walk around empty towns filled with corpses.
Being a bit of a hoarder in games, I was filthy rich by the time I reached the end game. The whole "choice" between being good and poor or bad and rich to save everyone missed it's emotional mark and disappointed me so much. I put the game down for a year.
Right?? I owned so much land and had so much money at that point it was a no brainer.
@@WobblesandBeanthats the point of the game, if you're rich you're not good
@@SergyMilitaryRankingsthat’s just not true
@@ncrranger8449 how ?
@@SergyMilitaryRankings you can get rich quite easily in fable games including three that doesn’t make you evil because you have enough money
I love the Fable trilogy. I also love how much detail you gave here in this video. Subbed after watching all of it!!
I loved this game when it came out and played through all 3 fables multiple times. But I haven't touched it since then.
And every time I got the impression that Molyneux wanted to be revolutionary like his games from the 90s with new mechanics and features (the weird 'menu', simplified magic system, upgrade road instead of progression menu, etc.). But by the 2000s and 2010s game developers had pretty much figured most of this out already. I always got the feeling he was trying to relive past glory.
But the interesting thing is that Fable would do something and other game developers would implement a similar system but do it a lot better. (morality system, lots of little puzzles everywhere, make random people love you)
Fable always felt like a testbed for future game developers to take notes on and do better. And once those other games came out you'd never go back to Fable except as a historical artifact.
Fable 3's main problem was this: The initial promise that the series started with the post medieval pre industrial setting so long ago was butchered so badly that there was just no direction left to go. There's a reboot in the works which might return it to how it was supposed to be.
And that guild music at the end, so nostalgic...
Loved this video, accurately summed up my time and experience with the game even though I found myself playing through it at least 3 different times-- Don't really have anything to add, just wanted to say thanks for making an accurate video about a game I enjoyed
I'm personally a sucker for the sanctuary. I loved the entire system. It just made the game so immersive bc even the pause mechanic was lore friendly. Plus the way it flowed and the giant pile of gold 👌🏆
I remember being deeply frustrated when I tried a balanced approach running the Kingdom, only to have everyone booing me in the streets because the game couldn't handle the player going outside the good/evil binary.
Tri
* sarcasm * But how are the writers gonna feel good about themselves if you don’t play the game exactly as they want you to?
This happened to me, I was like 11 when this came out so instead of just moving on to whatever next game it was I ran around albion giving people gifts, lowered their rent and lowered all shop prices. About 6 days of the xbox being on after all this and I was a great King
Tbh that’s more realistic of how the US operates. Every center-left or center-right politician gets eaten alive by both parties😂 The two extremes are more often rewarded
@@alien_cult That's not really how the US is, though. ALL Democrat politicians are center left, whereas all Republican politicians are extreme right. The public whines about dems not being leftist enough, but that doesn't reflect in who they vote for.
I'm sure Salt meant this mostly sarcastically but I'm still laughing at him giving credit to the sand furies as a new enemy type when they're just reskinned highwaymen from Fable 2
Lmao
The first fable game I ever played was Fable 3. I remember I just chose what I wanted, sometimes being rich or broke, attempting to be the good person, and somehow playing through the game with no idea what was going on. Everybody died in the end
"We were on the verge of greatness. We were this close!"
That sums up how I feel about Fable 3. There was so much potential, like they really wanted to explore new ideas, but got half way through and decided it was too much and too difficult, and so just decided to recycle bits of the other games.
Excited for Fallout 2. Would love to see your take on Jade Empire. A hidden gem for sure.
Having played this game as a kid, and forgetting about it all these years later.. I didn't know anyone hated the game, lol. I loved it.
if you played fable the lost chapters edition or the remaster of it you would know how far fable fell 2 and 3 were just not the same.
@@hellbringer09 that’s just every rpg
@@hellbringer09 I was annoyed with 2 after just playing base fable 1 as a kid. Now I just wish there was another fable game as an adult since between this and Spyro was my childhood.
I played 1 as a kid, loved it. 2 I skipped as they skipped PC, 3 was just.. A huge let down.
Glad I didn't drop money on it.
Fallout 3 the goat
My favorite part of the game was the gnome hunting quest. I remember being completely and utterly obsessed with it, to the point that I literally travelled all around ignoring every other quest, I was just waiting for a gnome to insult me so I could shoot them. After I finally finished the quest I was truly sad that it was over, it was super fun
I did this in coop and it was fun
I love the one you had to gather chickens in a chicken suit.
I love that!
Years ago, my friend lent me his 360 and a copy of Fable 3 while raving about the series as a whole. Long story short, I absolutely enjoyed the hell out of this game. My favorite aspect was how the weapons would morph depending on certain accomplishments.
When I saw the backlash for the game, it made me want to play the rest of the series because I figured that if I really liked 3, then maybe I'd love the others. I never had the chance to play the rest but this game still holds a special place in my heart.
Also, I got him the achievement for finishing the game without dying...so that was nice lol
go play the rest youll love them
Omg I recently rewatched the first two videos, and I was really hoping you'd cover the third one as well. Glad you got around to it!
Yoooo I literally just rewatched your Fable 1 and Fable 2 vids today!! Great timing and videos as always 👌 👏
Keep up the great work I love your videos! It would be cool though seeing a review on the Overlord games, they were pretty fun! Again keep up the great work you're a badass🤘
This reminded me of my only playthrough of fable 3. I was super good till I got to that first village where you had to do the interactions. I wasn't feeling the game and decided to kill/attack everyone and the guards that came. I went super dark super fast. Did that for a while, got solid with the law, married someone who only ever cried, had some kids, eventually she... vanished? I don't know what happened, but I wasn't married anymore according to the game. So I went on with the game with all people screaming as I went around. Found and married the girl in the beginning outside an orphanage after I tried to kill the kids in the orphanage. She was super happy to see me (I guess I was still "good" to her). Somehow managed to marry her on the spot, then after the cutscene, she started screaming in fear of me. Guess she got the memo about me? Maybe it was the ghost of the first wife? I will never know, but it was a very memorable game the one time I played it.
I remember this being the first "big" game to be available from the Games with Gold program so as a broke teenager I spent a lot of time with it
Aye. Thats how I got to play it as well
"Oh, good idea!" That was a dev.
"Why was it presented that way?" Because Molyneux walked into the room.
I still remember interviews in which all he talked about eas the GUI system and the damn menu room he was so proud of. On 360 that room slowed down the game to a crawl. I remember the frustration of forgetting to manage one thing and having to go back.
yep
I bought this game when it came out and loved it! My Daughter would sit and watch me play all the time. When she was 10ish she had her own playthrough with my help. As she's gotten older she's done a new playthrough every year or so with me helping out when needed. She's 17 now and it's been about a year so maybe it's time for us to do another playthrough. Her and I have different taste in games but Fable 3 is one of the games we both love!
EDIT: Also wanted to add that the quest where you're shrunk down to play in a Tabletop RPG is one of my favorite sections in any game ever!
The voice cast was stacked with names easily recognisable if you’re from the UK:
Michael Fassbender was Logan
Zoe Wannamaker as Theresa
Stephen Fry as Reaver
Ben Kingsley as Sabine
Nichola Hoult as Elliott
John Cleese as Jasper
Simon Pegg as Finn
Sean Pertwee as Saker
Naomi Harris as Page
Kellie Bright as the female hero
Jason Manford as Jammy
Jonathan Ross as Barry Hatch
And more.
Ah excellent, fun fact fable 3 was my first fable game and I loved becoming a land baron and buying every property. I’m pretty sure there was only one mission I didn’t do. it was a fun experience.
Honestly your style of video is so easy to watch. I have never played nor cared about half the games you cover yet I find myself enthralled every time. Keep it up, love it!
Great video!
In the DLC you do go through a factory and fight robots haha.
i can understand why some people may not like it but for me its a classic, i adore the storyline and the characters, the game really makes you warm up to them and the sadness of seeing general swift captured is sad because of ben's reaction who you know has fought by his side for years and you get his pain and i love the dlc so much, i forgot the name but the 'amusement park' one with the robots was so FUN it added more enemy types and the story in that is hella unsettling and anyway yeah i could go on honestly but at the end of the day i love this game and i always will
Playing through this game so many times, even owning the artbook and collectors edition, I can't get over how washed out the colors look.
I could never have the same love for this as I had for 2 and it kinda breaks my heart because I truly wanted to love it.
NOT to say it was all bad *the DnD mission will always be a favourite) but it was me falling for Peter's lies, getting on my own hype train and a game released feeling half done at best.
The half that is done is amazing, the undone half on the other hand is just... a reminder of a game that could have been and a disappointment
Hype tends to disappoint and absolute hype disappoints absolutely.
you can actually mod fable 3 on pc to be more vibrant with reshade! its much better. I know that wont fix the game being an overall mess but man it looks so much better with full color.
Personally, at the time i played this, the preparation and fight with the Crawler left me with the biggest blue balls i have felt in any game i have played EVER. Sure Fable II was underwelming and lame but after all that Crawler hype building, the actually good atmosphere that its domain had and the ONLY enemies that actually managed to be a menace on the entire game... to end in a shit 1v1 with not even a 2nd face was EXTREMELY disappointing.
Salt wanted to come to your most recent video to tell you, keep up all the hard work. I have been binging these 1-2 hour videos because they just so well done. Also helps getting through the work day easier, thanks for the killer content!
Aight but first of all, why is this so smooth and just good looking in your vid like how. Mine is always bright af
The magic system in the first game allows for so much room for creativity, it's such a shame they only ever dumbed it down
Like Bethesda and THEIR magic system....and their unarmed system.........yeeeeeah
I watch every new video you make, and I am so happy that you’re continuing your project. You bring much joy to my day 🌸
I have good memories of fable 3, especially the desert part and the end when you are almost forced to be evil for the fate of the people, makes it feel like your brother was just doing everything he could. which i never played with the whole property and money part asides from having a wife who i killed when i actually saw her face up close
almost forced to be evil 😂 yeah I had over 20 million gold in my personal balance at that point, transferred it all to the kingdoms treasury and it was hilarious hear the butler cry when $200k of that 20 mil went on to something and dude was "ooohhhh I don't know if we can handle that"..
One thing I wish they had done was make the map of the 3rd game actually use and expand on things from the second. Like the guild hall in bower lake being fully explorable if you drained the lake. Or a partially submerged version you have to delve through caves to reach.
Instead they just removed any trace the thing existed despite it being there a generation ago
It is frighteningly clear that they spent more of this games budget on famous voices (Stephen Fry, Jonathan Ross) than actually on making a game that innovated on its predecessor
One of the biggest design mistakes was the insistence that there would be as little UI as possible, which is why you cant actually choose foods, and the same reason you have to load an entire level just to choose a different weapon. Pretty much everything about that was what made the massive downgrade in mechanics across the board and im pretty sure its the main reason why people hate this game. Its not like... terrible, but its fucking annoying compared to the previous games because xbox loading times back then were pretty bad.
Edit: I didnt realize how long the video was and didnt watch all the way through. But its still something i hold pretty strongly about this game.
This a short video haha but fair enough
i wonder how they thought that'd work on a controller. like, i could get it on pc, you have a large number of inputs to bind to things like hot keys and the necessary buttons to replace a menu (like a button to make your character flip open their pack and actually rummage through it manually), but it could never work with like 12 buttons.
@@chiiloutbro It's over an hour long? I'm not complaining about the length but that's not short.
@@Geothesponge111 true enough if were talking about the normal person. I enjoy long ass videos
The fact that hobbes weren't enslaved to mine coal is such a huge missed opportunity.
I like that Logan's palace color scheme is purple - which is a mix between blue and red aka good and evil.
Love all these videos! Long in-depth reviews that I’m sure must take a ton of time to write and produce.
Thanks for making them!
You are Absolutely Killing it with these Critiques, it’s my addiction & you always seem to upload quickly. Thank You 🙏🏼
This game wasn’t perfect but it’s actually my favorite of the 3, because it’s so story/character driven and it’s honestly funny as hell. The list of voice actors they got for that game is impressive
Another special part about the gypsy camp in fable 3 is that it is the same group of people that took the hero from Table 2 in as a child and nursed him back to health. So i always made syre to go visit them as often as possible.
It's weird in Fable 2 I usually ended up using the slow time spell most often and not to slow time I'd use the part where you could throw it to basically make yourself super fast just so I could dodge more easily.
This game was my first midnight release for a game, my dad even let me stay home the next day to play it. BOY HOWDY, let's just say Fallout 76 wasn't my first or biggest gaming disappointment.
Thanks, dad.
for me it is one of those games that do smth really good and a lot of stuff bad, but the good part keeps me playing. I enjoyed the quests a lot for the humor. I actually liked most of the stupid side quests, i remember laughing when i had to lure chickens back in a cage while being in a chicken suit myself, chickens singing some weird aggressive tune together. A lot of it so silly but also clever and charming at the same time. I definitely had fun with this game but still eventually abandoned it because of all the flows
Fable as a series has always been the best example for me of "I enjoyed my time with this game, but I wouldn't call it a GOOD game..." and Fable 3 is the figurehead for that sentiment.
It was a broken mess of a game, but it looked fantastic. The art and design of the game was the only thing that kept me coming back. The garbage mini map, combat, weapons system, and lackluster story just dragged it down.
Imagine playing a game just because of the art design
@@557deadpool Its not much, but its something. It was at least passable as a game. If you want a good game play Fable 1 or 2.
Personally I hated how blurry and muddy the game looked. The color palette was dingy and gray most of the time, and there's a constant motion blur/after image effect that just makes the image less clear. I did like some of the art direction, and how you could really feel a hand-sculpted claymation quality to it.
@@LostShipMate it's really not, it's ugly all around. None of the Fable games are good
@@557deadpool Thats objectively untrue, but to each his own.
This game was so atrocious in so many ways. Unbalanced, sometimes unimmersive, tedious.
I loved it.
Oh! ….
You're the man for the way you approached us with the ad. Wish more creators chose that route..
Currently playing through this on pc. Bought a game code for steam on amazon and got GFWL to work so I can use Co Op and i have all DLC. Still enjoying it a lot. Looks wayer better than 2 and of course runs at 60fps.
The fully good or fully evil demon door will be different depending on if you are good or evil, also the demon you missed is the best one IMO. It’s the demon door heaven and it’s where they all go once they’ve been opened. I have many complaints about fable 3 compared to 2, mostly with mechanics and story pacing, but overall I think 3 is a really fun game and great addition to the series. I just wish it had more demon doors
The dumbing down of RPG mechanics is probably the result of "streamlining," a terrible buzzword that exists in the industry that means to make the game as simple as possible so people with room temperature IQ don't get frustrated by things like choices, basic math or having to think.
Bethesda summarized. Every iteration is streamlined.
The industry is getting fucked by this stupid streamlining corporate think.
Exactly this!
Unfortunately, that segment of the population is growing exponentially. 😒
@@HickoryDickory86 Games in general used to be mainly used by enthusiasts. Normies now make up the majority.
@@dylanjwagner i do love that bethesda always get called out every time shitty RPGs comes up. they were the absolute best of the best once, i have no idea how they could fall so hard.
@@comyuse9103 greed
Love the videos! Would love to hear your thoughts on baldurs gate 3!!
I think itd been cool if Logain showed up during a mission, maybe at a critical moment and helped you fight, then stating "its time i tell you the truth before more people die" ..he can face his crimes after things are over, but itd help him show his king role a little better
I love how the Fable Franchise basically just devolved in features after every new game
Yup, the more it goes up in sequels, the less of a game it is. Holy shit the magic system in 3 is just shit and the sanctuary was pure garbage. You literally couldn't see how much food you had or how many potions you had. It was all a crap shoot because the sanctuary didn't show items that weren't gifts to others, weapons and cloths.
It was such a terrible system. Also the upgrading morphing weapons were shit. At least fable 2 actually improved the augments from 1 to the point that I could make better weapons than the legendary ones.
Fable 3 made weapons pointless. I just use magic and shooting because why the fuck wouldn't you.
Idk man the first game kinda sucked
@@dudeperson2050 First game maybe had less features, but it had a better story imo. (Also it's the first game, it's kinda supposed to have less features.)
@@dudeperson2050 Yeah kinda honestly. But still leagues better than 3. 2 aswell!. That game was optimized by a team of chimpanzees in a forest lol.
@@dudeperson2050 you are like one of the very few people who says that, everyone else really love and appreciate Fable 1 and so do i, that's why it got an anniversary edition too
Thank you this is the only one i didn't play and always been curious of what was it about.
The absolute best music choice at 15:45.
So underused. (Metal gear solid ending song.)
All that work only to read the book and find out the fate of the Hero of Brightwall is to be imprisoned like his father/mother and ancestor, and for Reaver to take over the your Kingdom and make Logan look like a angel.
Also, robots are in the DLCs.
"I'm not saying that it was good; I'm just saying that my expectations were below sea level" - Pretty much sums up Fable 3
I am so, so curious to watch this. I loved Fable TLC when I was younger, but as a PC gamer never got to try the sequels. Literally last week I installed Fable 3 for the first time (it's on Gamepass, I figured why not) but despite sinking a few hours into it, I never found it at all fun to play. But it's an odd kind of "bad" game in that it doesn't have one single major failing: it instead has so many little irritations or problems that the overall game is seriously compromised. I'd actually put something like Assassin's Creed Valhalla in a similar boat, though I think AC: Valhalla is the superior game to Fable 3.
Anyway, very curious to see your assessment and the challenges you notice. Eventually I did what I should have done in the first place, i.e. install Fable 2 instead, and boy has this game aged better than its sequel.
At least Fable 3 still feels like Fable (even if it got stuff cut from the previous two games), AC Valhalla is just a viking RPG with little hints of Assassin's Creed.
@@thegamerfe8751 Valhalla should have been it's own thing honestly. You could easily convert the plot into just Loki hunting the reincarnation of Odin without all the Animus bs, and it would make a pretty good story for a fantasy RPG.
@@fadingghost9723 yeah, it's a good game on its own but a bad AC game.
Temple of Avo theme at the end was a blast from the past.
I remember loving Fable 3. It was my first Fable game I think. I had gotten it on disc, and when nostalgia hit me and I tried to launch it years later I found out I couldn't play it anymore due to windows live lol. But I enjoyed the exploration and setting greatly. Don't think I'd pay for it again on steam though unless it was given for free.