I think the biggest thing that frustrates me about that creator is the terrible lighting in every video, like sir we can barely see the makeup application period
YES! I was looking to see if anyone pointed that out because it was so frustrating to me. Like half your face is in full light and the other is in shadow, my guy. I can't tell half of what you're trying to do.
We're supposed take the word of doctors when it comes to health, not makeup. You as a MAKEUP artist have the full right to critique a doctor if he's talking about makeup!
even then, a dermatologist isnt qualified to talk about makeup placement. only a makeup artist and possibly a plastic surgeon (even then a plastic surgeon is iffy.) but yeah youre right, doctors arent concerned with the artisry of makeup so why would i take advice from them.
The only time I ever talked to a doctor about makeup was when I was getting my teeth cleaned and the dentist hygienist had this really impressive eyeliner wing that I just had to know how she did
He relies HEAVILY on his technical vocabulary to make it sound like he knows what he’s doing. People just scrolling will assume that he’s incredibly knowledgeable about makeup based off of his use of anatomically correct names 🙄
Yes! IMO He’s throwing terms like a plastic surgeon. Ppl are tempted to see becoz they think it’llbe some sort of contouring & highlighting breakthrough, but it’s not.
@@ChrystalVanDusseldorp yes, super badly 🤣he knows nothing about light, shadows, value, tones, etc. if he were old and ugly i bet he wouldn't have views lol, cause his tips are awful, and he has such an authority complex. the only appeal i can see is to people with a bias against makeup as an artform with tons of standouts among it's many years, and that want to feel "objective" about it in the most shallow of ways lol (hence his "nerds" jokes, "guys you are smart cause i said neuroscience" lol). almost as if the big bang theory tried to do makeup (oof that's even more cringe and heteronormative to imagine than the show itself)
People would still do it. They sell butt and hip pads but people still butcher and chop their bodies up. They want a permanent effect, instead of temporarily, having to wear butt pads, or contour everyday to keep it up etc..... I'm supposing.
I find this so odd - just because someone works with the face, doesn't mean they know make up. Make up is a completely different form to fillers. That's like saying someone who is a sushi chef is an expert in baking, because they both work in the kitchen. Sure if they also trained and worked in baking, but otherwise that's not a source I'd go to for expertise. I'll stick to my Robert Welsh techniques thank you!
We love to see Robert contradicting these TikTokers who literally seem to pull content out their bottom. Thank goodness for reliable and actual make up experts like Robert.
This guy has always rubbed me the wrong way. "I help keep you healthy and beautiful" like maybe it's because I'm 40 now but I don't want to be beautiful all the time. Let me be a swamp witch. It's okay to not be beautiful.
“I’m going to use neuroscience! Our brains interpret messages from our eyes!” Um, what? What a revelation 🙄 I think this guy flunked out of medical school
I’m a portrait artist. There are some valuable principles of light and form that makeup artists use. That knowledge, properly used with anatomy, can be useful. But ultimately it’s the artistry that means the most in makeup.
Exactly. I'm a sketch artist and understanding light and perspective took so long for me to finally see how it shapes things. When it comes to makeup its even more work to understand products, color theory, face shapes and skin types.
Oh dude my portrait art improved like 100x when I started watching makeup videos. My sister and I got super into makeup and I was like "hang on...... I bet that would work in my drawings."
Every side by side he does, the "good side" is the one getting the most light from the window. But when he does his full face with his technique he's facing the window fully. Even if his techniques were good, that skews the results so much!
💯 agree! I thought the same thing in every video Robert showed. Also couldn't stand how he kept calling it "his" technique. As if makeup artists don't already know all of that but this guy is saying it's HIS. He knows a lot more about the face than I do, but I don't want him explaining makeup to me. We already have Robert! 💜
It seems a bit pretentious for him to discuss makeup like everyone's been doing it wrong, but makeup artists have known how to contour and highlight for years and years.
Yes!! I know this is probably going to sound mean but I really feel like he should stay in his own lane. I mean, doesn't he have enough things to talk about in his actual profession that he, maybe, knows what he's talking about. Just bc Robert is the ultimate all time best make up artist in the entire universe and knows all about face shape, structure, etc you don't see him trying to go teach how to do filler, Botox,etc. 🙄sheesh...
Totally. I can't stand the way he presented himself. He has this air of he is so much better / knows more than everyone else because there is a DR tagged in front of his name.
As a makeup and science lover and a hater by nature it was very satisfying watching you debunk every bit of misinformation. Anatomy and science can inform our makeup techniques but at the end of the day, manipulating light and shadow with colour is artistry which is not his area of expertise.
YAAAASSSSS 👏👏👏👏👏 I'm a makeup junkie, was a biology and chemistry major at university, and a total Mean Girl! I was so satisfied seeing Robert pick apart Dr. Doesn't Know It All!!!
He is behaving as if existing Contouring and Highlighting technique isn't already making use of Science - manipulating light, shadow and reflection as well as a person bone structures. He isn't inventing any new science based techniques; he is just wrongly applying his knowledge into something that seem similar but totally different (altering one's facial appearance - one: Semi-permanently with invasive means ; the other: Temporarily with a layer of paints on top).
I'm a nurse. Arguing with doctors is part of my pay scale.😂😂😂👩🏻⚕️🩺⚕️🚑 I *completely* agree with Robert on the mouth highlighting. I'm 54 and trust me, if you do what this doctor is suggesting, it's just going to make the mouth area look even more saggy/aged. This is why Robert is my *FAVORITE* pro mua. He doesn't *exclude* or alienate us older girls. 😉I have been following him for a good couple years now. My makeup application technique has improved enormously and I honestly have to say watching his tutorials is the main reason why! 💞
I am a woman in my late 50s who never learned to wear makeup. I have been watching you and other makeup TH-camrs for about a year, trying to learn to apply it more effectively. The algorithm popped this guy’s video up on my Shorts feed; and I ended up watching one of his videos. When it ended, I thought “I think that guy is doing it wrong it didn’t look the way I think he wanted it to look.” I guess I really have learned a lot over the past year!
My favourite thing is watching Robert physically hold his mouth closed when the doctor is spewing BS. Tiny expression changes while keeping a generally blank face: ART
in a way, this reminded me my class in college (i did graphic design) and something we learn is that not always the "mathematic correct" is the VISUAL correct, like, when you have the letter X you would think is simply 2 lines crossing each other, when in reality, one of the lines is slightly twitched up or down to really "look" centered. with makeup is the same, "mathematically" correct doesn't account for our actual perception of things, so even if it makes sense that if you want an area to look fuller you have to put something bright there, our perception will compensate for that and sometimes make other area more hollow/darker and get a odd look overall
Because of his bad lighting, one side of the face had more light, while the other had more shadow, then he put the makeup on and went: can you see the difference? No sir I cannot 😭 At least fully face the window so we can see it in natural light. I get what he was trying to do, but glad you explained it, more stuff learned from this 🥰 Thank you! ❤️
This is like if I said because I'm a makeup artist, & paint people's faces, I can paint realistic portraits on a canvas b/c a "face is a face." Just cause you're an expert in one & they may share similarities, doesn't mean all the same techniques translate interchangeably
I don’t think I would trust a doctor who doesn’t know their limitations. If he’s delulu about his makeup and colour theory skills I would worry that he’d give a procedure a “go” rather than admitting he doesn’t know how to do it 😂
He sounds super pretentious. Throwing out random anatomical terms to make himself sound smart (unsuccessfully). I wonder if he’s truly a doctor. If he is, I weep for the medical profession 😬
That dr's video style drove me crazy! OMG... ok...{deep sigh} from this round face deep set eyes girl..thank you Robert for being the voice of reason & experiance.
He was doing ok in the first few clips, using highlight to mean “emphasise/lighten” and not literally use highlighter…… but then he said “put highlighter under the eye” ^^’
As a MD I think It's pretty offensive going around telling people you know better because you're a doctor, even if clearly you're talking about something you don't know. It just shows you think people are dumb or something.
At 68 i've had over 50 years of playing with make-up to suit me best. I admit that a lot of my influence has been from stage make-up (back in the 60's &70s it was very heavy and exagerated, but easinly modified to adapt for day to day wear) so i look at things like this, and various tutorials and if it makes sense, i might try it. Interestingly, watching drag make-up (yes i know its outrageously dramatic) has given me some of the best tips and ideas.
I would like to point out at your eyes makeup. Your eyes look unreal. The black colour around eyes makes you pupil super black as well, and the white of the eye looks extra white because of that. The contrast is stunning!
Adore the eyes! ❤ A look I often try but usually ends looking like I've done 10 rounds. Typical male doctor selfbelief that they could never be wrong. With the window light I see not differences
Claiming this as “science of makeup” is an immediate red flag to me as the base of his advice is based on a falsehood. Makeup is an art form not a science, hence why we use the terms makeup artistry and makeup artists, not makeup science and makeup scientists. Makeup artistry uses theory derived from painting and sculpting, not medicine or physics or whatever. The science part of makeup is just the actual chemistry surrounding the creation of the products themselves. When it comes to the application part of the process, you’ve now ventured into the field of art.
Do you know a lot of doctors on TikTok? I really don’t trust especially when it comes to the use of natural products. I cannot use chemical products on my face which I can’t use like man-made chemicals, so I used a lot of natural products on my face. I can use some things but not everything so you know when I see a doctor go all this natural product doesn’t work. This causes this and that causes that and there’s no scientific evidence. I feel like if people have been using it for 1000 years then you know, it’s probably still good and still works but what it is is a lot of these doctors get kickbacks for recommending prescriptions. Some of them even get upwards to $25-$50,000 in kickbacks their doctors offices will have incentives like vacations, yacht cruises trips to the opera museums, and these are given to them by the pharmaceutical companies, based on how many products or how much drugs they sell to people so when I see a dermatologist, a doctor, recommending certain things I don’t trust it
What do you mean you can't use chemical products on your face? Literally everything to that surrounds us and makes us is chemicals, just get an allergy test done so you know specifically what to avoid, cause you're not gonna be able to avoid chemicals.
Makeup scientist would be chemist! There's a content creator that Robert and his brother credit a lot that breaks down ingredients and the science behind them. I think her YT handle is something labmuffin? I'm butchering that, have to find it, but she's truly a scientist!
OMG, thank you, Robert!! I’ve been thinking about all this since I’ve seen his “scientific makeup”! I don’t argue, that he’s a great M.D., but doing fillers and plastic surgery is physically altering the face structure, when makeup is working with what you have using the art of it. That’s why painted white lines do not physically pull the mouth up, that’s why the dull blotches on your face will not sink your cheeks in 😂. Those are totally different things! 🎉
I always appreciate Robert’s insights. All of the doctor influencers gain so much traction just from them being a “doctor”, but I don’t think it always translates to makeup. Not belittling their knowledge, but it isn’t makeup knowledge.
I've been looking forward to hearing you talk more about this creator's videos regarding makeup. He's always got this weird lighting that just seems very questionable to me...
Thank you Robert! This Dermatologist doesn’t have an artist’s eye. He doesn’t even seem to notice that his comparisons do not yield his expected results. Great job explaining and demonstrating this flaw in the filler placement contour concept. You saved hundreds of thousands of people from using these erroneous dermatology makeup tips. -I think it is this dermatologist’s arrogance and belief that he knows more than a makeup artist is what prevented him from asking one for their expertise before putting out videos based on flawed concepts! ❤
It seems like he stumbled upon an old edition of Richard Corson’s “Stage Makeup” book 😂 He’s not necessarily “wrong”, per se, but what he was demonstrating were techniques I learned as a theatre student some 30+ years ago, but even then we were taught to still use the book as a guide, and to tweak for our own needs. It was also designed for the stage, which is not going to translate the same in real life…
For years I've put a light pink eye-brightener by the orbital bone(bottom), for my hollows. It was better than just putting concealer on the entirety of the under eye. But, it's true that it can actually make the area look much worse if it's not done absolutely perfectly (as in making sure not to bring the colour above the ridge of the hollow). Your technique is much easier and actually more effective. Thank you!
Robert, this honestly taught me so so much. I have hollow eyes and I now know I was doing the opposite of what i needed !! I'm so glad this doctor guy had the gall to be so confidently wrong lol
Insane that all his “methods” were doing the exact opposite of the intended effect! 🤯 literally your lip appeared to be dropping after you did what he suggested, and your eyes appeared to be so much more hollow than they actually were when you did it his way. Thank you for your endless knowledge 😌☺️✨✨✨✨✨
This doctor knows anatomy very well, but his makeup is a bit of a encroaching on going viral for the views. It's not really good makeup, it's just a demonstration of his knowledge of a face.
He talks like someone who went to one year of medical school… Like, I know as much about facial anatomy from one semester studying speech and language pathology 🤦♀️ I think he’s a quack
And this is why I watch doctors for health advice and makeup artists of makeup advice and NOT vice versa. They each have their own strengths and I do acknowledge that. Also loving how Robert is laughing at how utterly wrong the doctor is talking about shade and light.
The thing I hate about him is that he's like... conventionally very cute. So he can kinda get away with saying complete nonsense because even if he messes the makeup up on himself, he still looks cute. So it makes it seem like his techniques work 😭 Like most of what he says and does is completely wrong but his baseline is so high it doesn't make him look too bad. If someone like me did it I would look insane. Also Robert your tiny powder puff at like 14:30 is SO cute. It's cracking me UP.
If I followed all of this man's make up advice, I would end up looking like I needed his surgical expertise! 😂😂 Thank you for another video based in experience, expertise and artistry! 💜🖤
I’m sorry but Mr. Tiktok Doc needs to stay in his lane 😳 Just bc he knows facial bone structure and muscle doesn’t mean he knows one wit about makeup. You most definitely were not being argumentative, but rather pointing out why his “technique” just wouldn’t work. You informed and educated us on why it wouldn’t work and what to do instead. YOU are the expert in this field. If I have a broken nose I would go to someone like him. If I want to learn new makeup skills and techniques and how to look ten years younger (thank you for that last one btw) I go to pro MUA Robert Welsh 🖤 💜 I have learned so much since I started watching you 3 years ago when the pandemic started. It definitely IS your business to disagree and set straight this “doctor”. I appreciate you! ❤
It's so nice of that Dr to give influencers an invitation to weigh in on surgeries and medical issues, after all he was kind enough to weigh in on actual artist's work
Thank you soo much for talking about mattifying the undereye makes it smoother. For years i could not understand why my undereyes werent as smooth looking as people on youtube. I was using the same products in the same way but i always saw my texture. I have been noticing the people that zoom in closer to their face have like patches of smoothness under their eye depending on where the light is. Thank you for helping me to not feel incompetent ❤❤❤❤
Also, I freaking LIVE for this eye makeup. I think you must be enjoying the pretty grunge palette as much as me 🖤 Avante Garde all over the lid every damn day.
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on this subject. Absolutely fascinating! Even as I watched the doctor explain his “theories” and supposed corrections I’m yelling “NO IT DOESN’T “or “THAT”S NOT RIGHT”. I guess I’ve been watching too many Robert Welsh videos to believe everything I see and hear. You are the BEST. ❤
Makeup is science AND art. There's a place for just measurements, abstract ideals, etc, but artistic sensibility and technique cannot be excluded from the equation. By the way, he probably does have those things when it comes to the art of filling faces, but he's basically trying to do painting with the techniques of a sculptor. It can be interesting getting some perspective from someone from another field, but still, it's not the same.
You really just blew that theory out of the water in such a kind and informative way. I adored this and I PRAY this man sees this video!! Someone share it with him so he can help people because I think his heart is in the right place but the theory isn’t translating like Robert said. 🎉 Ps. I can’t help it but I hope his followers ain’t lookin too old!
That guy for some reason reallllly annoyed me. Something about the way he talks. Little condescending, little full of himself, and most of the crap coming out of his mouth being proven wrong by someone who DOES know what they are talking about in the house of makeup. Thank you Robert for calling out this nonsense.
@@patriciamartin2613 did you notice the “good side” with his genius hack seems to face the window and have better lighting while the “bad example” is in the shadow…
One thing I noticed was the doctor had uneven lighting, one side of his face was shadowed versus the other side which seemed like it had natural light, which would also manipulate (if you will) the effects he was trying to portray. For example, the darker side of his face was the side where he was like "this is a no go" and then the side that had more light or natural light was the "do this" side which will also alter how people view his tips and make it seem more credible. Whereas the amazing Robert has beautiful lighting to show us exactly how these methods would really look on an even lighting scale.
This is one my favorite of your videos! I feel like I learned so much because you explained both the techniques you use instead and the through line of logic behind them so well. Thank you! ❤
oh my god, this doctor triggers my misophonia so bad !! I almost couldn't bare with the sound. Why doesn't he level out/balance his sounds? they are so sharp I couldn't follow what he was trying to say. It was such a relief when he was done talking and Robert, your voice is velvet smooth in comparison!
Robert Welsh, MD Makeup Doctor Certified… by something… but definitely certified. The only MD I trust to tell me where the heck to put lines (or maybe NOT put lines) on my face.
Omg wow. I'm obsessed with your critique followed by education! I would absolutely take a class from you. Also something that BUGS ME so much is the drs lighting is ALWAYS uneven and he doesn't show the effect long enough. "See how it's better!" No sir! The lighting is bad and you don't stop moving! Anyway. Great work!
For dealing with depression in SOOF, Dr Charles' theory is correct but his technique is less controlled. I like using what Wayne Goss showed in his video.
The first thing that popped in my mind was "stay in your lane, sir" Makeup is 2D. Filler is 3D. You can't apply all the same principles to both. Just... weird.
It honestly felt like he was using the scientific names for the different parts of the face as a way to be like more of an authority on what he was saying, even though it looked wrong. Like, 'oh I know (and am using) the correct terms, so you should definitely trust me!'. It made me tune out because it made me feel dumb for not knowing the terms and like I was being talked at and not to.
It felt a bit...off? I'm not sure how to put it but most people who are knowledgeable in their fields are able to cater their conversations to who they're speaking with. You'd think he'd use less medical jargon (or at least explain it) because his core audience on TikTok aren't likely familiar with anatomy - which as a doctor he should have ample experience with. Maybe he's just a bad teacher.
The more I c him and his theories I just can’t help but find him especially pretentious,seriously tho. What does Botox have to do with makeup?? Robert I love U🥰
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I think the biggest thing that frustrates me about that creator is the terrible lighting in every video, like sir we can barely see the makeup application period
Yea! And he’s got so much natural light in that place!
@@RobertWelsh LIKE SO MUCH!! it feels like an active choice 😭
YES! I was looking to see if anyone pointed that out because it was so frustrating to me. Like half your face is in full light and the other is in shadow, my guy. I can't tell half of what you're trying to do.
@@corvidsRcool like after I noticed it I just couldn't stop noticing it and getting progressively more upset 😭😭
I felt like he was trying to hide that hollow hack too because it looked like nothing. He just sorta glanced to the side then was like ok bye!
We're supposed take the word of doctors when it comes to health, not makeup. You as a MAKEUP artist have the full right to critique a doctor if he's talking about makeup!
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even then, a dermatologist isnt qualified to talk about makeup placement. only a makeup artist and possibly a plastic surgeon (even then a plastic surgeon is iffy.) but yeah youre right, doctors arent concerned with the artisry of makeup so why would i take advice from them.
But there are alot of sell out Dr. With health that actually are working for the Pharma industry. Sadly
The only time I ever talked to a doctor about makeup was when I was getting my teeth cleaned and the dentist hygienist had this really impressive eyeliner wing that I just had to know how she did
Right, he has no idea what he's talking about. Dr doesn't mean shit in makeup
He relies HEAVILY on his technical vocabulary to make it sound like he knows what he’s doing. People just scrolling will assume that he’s incredibly knowledgeable about makeup based off of his use of anatomically correct names 🙄
Yes! IMO He’s throwing terms like a plastic surgeon. Ppl are tempted to see becoz they think it’llbe some sort of contouring & highlighting breakthrough, but it’s not.
THAT PART
And still manages to sound like a dullard about makeup because he knows NONE of the technical vocabulary in that field 😂
Yh I was sat thinking outside the jargon he doesn't say a whole lot. He's using lot of words n saying very lil.
GOD the constant use of medical jargon annoyed tf out of me! more than once I was just like "just call it a cheekbone ffs!"
If makeup worked like filler we would never need fillers! Thank goodness dermatologists don’t do makeup 😂😂
Agree, this seems like a great case of "stay in your lane" 😄
@@ChrystalVanDusseldorp yes, super badly 🤣he knows nothing about light, shadows, value, tones, etc. if he were old and ugly i bet he wouldn't have views lol, cause his tips are awful, and he has such an authority complex. the only appeal i can see is to people with a bias against makeup as an artform with tons of standouts among it's many years, and that want to feel "objective" about it in the most shallow of ways lol (hence his "nerds" jokes, "guys you are smart cause i said neuroscience" lol). almost as if the big bang theory tried to do makeup (oof that's even more cringe and heteronormative to imagine than the show itself)
People would still do it. They sell butt and hip pads but people still butcher and chop their bodies up. They want a permanent effect, instead of temporarily, having to wear butt pads, or contour everyday to keep it up etc..... I'm supposing.
I find this so odd - just because someone works with the face, doesn't mean they know make up. Make up is a completely different form to fillers. That's like saying someone who is a sushi chef is an expert in baking, because they both work in the kitchen. Sure if they also trained and worked in baking, but otherwise that's not a source I'd go to for expertise. I'll stick to my Robert Welsh techniques thank you!
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My problem with this is we tend to do our make up that's best for our own faces, what he says to do won't work for everyone.
We love to see Robert contradicting these TikTokers who literally seem to pull content out their bottom. Thank goodness for reliable and actual make up experts like Robert.
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He said "do you see that?" ... I'm like nah not in that horrendous bathroom lighting
This guy has always rubbed me the wrong way. "I help keep you healthy and beautiful" like maybe it's because I'm 40 now but I don't want to be beautiful all the time. Let me be a swamp witch. It's okay to not be beautiful.
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That makes the two of us😂 i am 40 too and yeah tht “i help keep you healthy and beautiful” is annoying.
50 here. Welcome to the swamp!
He really in the broad light of day said noticing contour is neuroscience. How you gonna fight neuroscience Robert lmao
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“I’m going to use neuroscience! Our brains interpret messages from our eyes!” Um, what? What a revelation 🙄 I think this guy flunked out of medical school
I can hear a neurosurgeon in the distance trying to break in to fight this man.
I’m a portrait artist. There are some valuable principles of light and form that makeup artists use. That knowledge, properly used with anatomy, can be useful. But ultimately it’s the artistry that means the most in makeup.
Exactly. I'm a sketch artist and understanding light and perspective took so long for me to finally see how it shapes things. When it comes to makeup its even more work to understand products, color theory, face shapes and skin types.
Agreed! Think leonardo da vinci anatomy drawings 😊
Oh dude my portrait art improved like 100x when I started watching makeup videos. My sister and I got super into makeup and I was like "hang on...... I bet that would work in my drawings."
I've always said knowing artistic techniques is what made my makeup look good (not beauty school lol)
I do visual art for 24 years and 11 for mua and I use so much traditional art in makeup but not like this 😭
Every side by side he does, the "good side" is the one getting the most light from the window. But when he does his full face with his technique he's facing the window fully. Even if his techniques were good, that skews the results so much!
💯 agree! I thought the same thing in every video Robert showed. Also couldn't stand how he kept calling it "his" technique. As if makeup artists don't already know all of that but this guy is saying it's HIS. He knows a lot more about the face than I do, but I don't want him explaining makeup to me. We already have Robert! 💜
@@susanjeffries5108 fr! Total agree. Also felt a bit weird that he kept saying zygomatic arch instead of cheekbone 😭
It seems a bit pretentious for him to discuss makeup like everyone's been doing it wrong, but makeup artists have known how to contour and highlight for years and years.
So true!
Yes!! I know this is probably going to sound mean but I really feel like he should stay in his own lane. I mean, doesn't he have enough things to talk about in his actual profession that he, maybe, knows what he's talking about. Just bc Robert is the ultimate all time best make up artist in the entire universe and knows all about face shape, structure, etc you don't see him trying to go teach how to do filler, Botox,etc. 🙄sheesh...
Right im annoyed with him lol
Totally. I can't stand the way he presented himself. He has this air of he is so much better / knows more than everyone else because there is a DR tagged in front of his name.
He’s really unlikeable..
As a makeup and science lover and a hater by nature it was very satisfying watching you debunk every bit of misinformation. Anatomy and science can inform our makeup techniques but at the end of the day, manipulating light and shadow with colour is artistry which is not his area of expertise.
YAAAASSSSS 👏👏👏👏👏 I'm a makeup junkie, was a biology and chemistry major at university, and a total Mean Girl! I was so satisfied seeing Robert pick apart Dr. Doesn't Know It All!!!
omg same lol mean STEM girls unite! 💋💅🏻
He is behaving as if existing Contouring and Highlighting technique isn't already making use of Science - manipulating light, shadow and reflection as well as a person bone structures. He isn't inventing any new science based techniques; he is just wrongly applying his knowledge into something that seem similar but totally different (altering one's facial appearance - one: Semi-permanently with invasive means ; the other: Temporarily with a layer of paints on top).
Hater by nature 💜
I'm a nurse. Arguing with doctors is part of my pay scale.😂😂😂👩🏻⚕️🩺⚕️🚑
I *completely* agree with Robert on the mouth highlighting. I'm 54 and trust me, if you do what this doctor is suggesting, it's just going to make the mouth area look even more saggy/aged.
This is why Robert is my *FAVORITE* pro mua. He doesn't *exclude* or alienate us older girls. 😉I have been following him for a good couple years now. My makeup application technique has improved enormously and I honestly have to say watching his tutorials is the main reason why! 💞
LOVE how you brought in the STAGE makeup artists' expertise as well!!! Bravo to all of you artists and years of tried and true experience!!!!
Thank you so so much! 🖤
I am a woman in my late 50s who never learned to wear makeup. I have been watching you and other makeup TH-camrs for about a year, trying to learn to apply it more effectively. The algorithm popped this guy’s video up on my Shorts feed; and I ended up watching one of his videos. When it ended, I thought “I think that guy is doing it wrong it didn’t look the way I think he wanted it to look.” I guess I really have learned a lot over the past year!
My favourite thing is watching Robert physically hold his mouth closed when the doctor is spewing BS. Tiny expression changes while keeping a generally blank face: ART
The Science of makeup is LIGHT……. Preach🙌
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Light and color theory!
in a way, this reminded me my class in college (i did graphic design) and something we learn is that not always the "mathematic correct" is the VISUAL correct, like, when you have the letter X you would think is simply 2 lines crossing each other, when in reality, one of the lines is slightly twitched up or down to really "look" centered. with makeup is the same, "mathematically" correct doesn't account for our actual perception of things, so even if it makes sense that if you want an area to look fuller you have to put something bright there, our perception will compensate for that and sometimes make other area more hollow/darker and get a odd look overall
Because of his bad lighting, one side of the face had more light, while the other had more shadow, then he put the makeup on and went: can you see the difference? No sir I cannot 😭 At least fully face the window so we can see it in natural light.
I get what he was trying to do, but glad you explained it, more stuff learned from this 🥰 Thank you! ❤️
This is like if I said because I'm a makeup artist, & paint people's faces, I can paint realistic portraits on a canvas b/c a "face is a face." Just cause you're an expert in one & they may share similarities, doesn't mean all the same techniques translate interchangeably
Exactly!! I can’t even draw a good stick man 😩
Robert with the FACTS! That Dr is the most confidently wrong person I’ve seen in a while 😂
I don’t think I would trust a doctor who doesn’t know their limitations. If he’s delulu about his makeup and colour theory skills I would worry that he’d give a procedure a “go” rather than admitting he doesn’t know how to do it 😂
He sounds super pretentious. Throwing out random anatomical terms to make himself sound smart (unsuccessfully). I wonder if he’s truly a doctor. If he is, I weep for the medical profession 😬
Right! I need to see some of his patients before and Afters 😳😳
@@heatherduke7703 to paraphrase my dad (who is also a doctor), "the guy that graduated med school at the bottom of his class still graduated"
I had the same thought about the plastic surgeon that’s giving skincare advice, including but not limited to avoiding chemical sunscreen 🙄
That dr's video style drove me crazy! OMG... ok...{deep sigh} from this round face deep set eyes girl..thank you Robert for being the voice of reason & experiance.
Wow, just what I always wanted, a man who thinks concealer & highlight are interchangeable mansplaining makeup application to me 😅
He was doing ok in the first few clips, using highlight to mean “emphasise/lighten” and not literally use highlighter…… but then he said “put highlighter under the eye” ^^’
As a MD I think It's pretty offensive going around telling people you know better because you're a doctor, even if clearly you're talking about something you don't know. It just shows you think people are dumb or something.
At 68 i've had over 50 years of playing with make-up to suit me best. I admit that a lot of my influence has been from stage make-up (back in the 60's &70s it was very heavy and exagerated, but easinly modified to adapt for day to day wear) so i look at things like this, and various tutorials and if it makes sense, i might try it. Interestingly, watching drag make-up (yes i know its outrageously dramatic) has given me some of the best tips and ideas.
Class is in SESSION! Love seeing Robert get technical and serious. Excellant explanation of makeup light effect vs filler effect. ❤
Thank you! 🖤🖤
I would like to point out at your eyes makeup. Your eyes look unreal. The black colour around eyes makes you pupil super black as well, and the white of the eye looks extra white because of that. The contrast is stunning!
Thank you so so much! 🖤
Adore the eyes! ❤ A look I often try but usually ends looking like I've done 10 rounds. Typical male doctor selfbelief that they could never be wrong. With the window light I see not differences
thought the same lol. that type of as*hole doctor stereotype still exists plenty, have it in my own family even.
Claiming this as “science of makeup” is an immediate red flag to me as the base of his advice is based on a falsehood. Makeup is an art form not a science, hence why we use the terms makeup artistry and makeup artists, not makeup science and makeup scientists. Makeup artistry uses theory derived from painting and sculpting, not medicine or physics or whatever. The science part of makeup is just the actual chemistry surrounding the creation of the products themselves. When it comes to the application part of the process, you’ve now ventured into the field of art.
Do you know a lot of doctors on TikTok? I really don’t trust especially when it comes to the use of natural products. I cannot use chemical products on my face which I can’t use like man-made chemicals, so I used a lot of natural products on my face. I can use some things but not everything so you know when I see a doctor go all this natural product doesn’t work. This causes this and that causes that and there’s no scientific evidence. I feel like if people have been using it for 1000 years then you know, it’s probably still good and still works but what it is is a lot of these doctors get kickbacks for recommending prescriptions. Some of them even get upwards to $25-$50,000 in kickbacks their doctors offices will have incentives like vacations, yacht cruises trips to the opera museums, and these are given to them by the pharmaceutical companies, based on how many products or how much drugs they sell to people so when I see a dermatologist, a doctor, recommending certain things I don’t trust it
What do you mean you can't use chemical products on your face? Literally everything to that surrounds us and makes us is chemicals, just get an allergy test done so you know specifically what to avoid, cause you're not gonna be able to avoid chemicals.
Makeup scientist would be chemist! There's a content creator that Robert and his brother credit a lot that breaks down ingredients and the science behind them. I think her YT handle is something labmuffin? I'm butchering that, have to find it, but she's truly a scientist!
@@iCanbEYOURrUKIAMichelle Wong iirc of Lab Muffin Beauty Science, yes
"Light trap", that's brilliant, Robert! Thank you for always being so generous with your knowledge! 🖤🖤🖤
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I got a Disney+ ad while watching this video and it's the most on brand ad to get on Robert's channel 😆
Miss Luxxeria actually knows make up science, it would be iconic if you do a collab with her
I love when she watched that one contouring vid, and when he said "We don't want to do drag makeup," she said "Why not?"
@@maryeckel9682hilarious 😂
OMG, thank you, Robert!! I’ve been thinking about all this since I’ve seen his “scientific makeup”! I don’t argue, that he’s a great M.D., but doing fillers and plastic surgery is physically altering the face structure, when makeup is working with what you have using the art of it. That’s why painted white lines do not physically pull the mouth up, that’s why the dull blotches on your face will not sink your cheeks in 😂. Those are totally different things! 🎉
omg your cackle after "I don't see the need for the dramatic music" 😆😆
I always appreciate Robert’s insights. All of the doctor influencers gain so much traction just from them being a “doctor”, but I don’t think it always translates to makeup. Not belittling their knowledge, but it isn’t makeup knowledge.
I've been looking forward to hearing you talk more about this creator's videos regarding makeup. He's always got this weird lighting that just seems very questionable to me...
It’s never very even!
Thank you Robert! This Dermatologist doesn’t have an artist’s eye. He doesn’t even seem to notice that his comparisons do not yield his expected results.
Great job explaining and demonstrating this flaw in the filler placement contour concept. You saved hundreds of thousands of people from using these erroneous dermatology makeup tips.
-I think it is this dermatologist’s arrogance and belief that he knows more than a makeup artist is what prevented him from asking one for their expertise before putting out videos based on flawed concepts!
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I wonder if this doctor ever consulted a make up artist or just a regular artist for advice before doing... all that 👁👄👁
It seems like he stumbled upon an old edition of Richard Corson’s “Stage Makeup” book 😂 He’s not necessarily “wrong”, per se, but what he was demonstrating were techniques I learned as a theatre student some 30+ years ago, but even then we were taught to still use the book as a guide, and to tweak for our own needs. It was also designed for the stage, which is not going to translate the same in real life…
@@xamyx725 Interesting! Thanks for letting me know, I will check this book out! I had no idea that make up for theater had different techniques :)
For years I've put a light pink eye-brightener by the orbital bone(bottom), for my hollows. It was better than just putting concealer on the entirety of the under eye. But, it's true that it can actually make the area look much worse if it's not done absolutely perfectly (as in making sure not to bring the colour above the ridge of the hollow). Your technique is much easier and actually more effective. Thank you!
As usual, Robert delivers on the facts, with solid evidence to back it up. 👏👏👏
Love it Robert ❤, you are fully allowed to critique a doctor if he's on your field of expertise!
I take back my "algorithm" and replace with how annoying that DERM is. Science...makeup has THEORY...not science lol
Robert, this honestly taught me so so much. I have hollow eyes and I now know I was doing the opposite of what i needed !!
I'm so glad this doctor guy had the gall to be so confidently wrong lol
Insane that all his “methods” were doing the exact opposite of the intended effect! 🤯 literally your lip appeared to be dropping after you did what he suggested, and your eyes appeared to be so much more hollow than they actually were when you did it his way. Thank you for your endless knowledge 😌☺️✨✨✨✨✨
This doctor knows anatomy very well, but his makeup is a bit of a encroaching on going viral for the views. It's not really good makeup, it's just a demonstration of his knowledge of a face.
He talks like someone who went to one year of medical school… Like, I know as much about facial anatomy from one semester studying speech and language pathology 🤦♀️ I think he’s a quack
And this is why I watch doctors for health advice and makeup artists of makeup advice and NOT vice versa. They each have their own strengths and I do acknowledge that.
Also loving how Robert is laughing at how utterly wrong the doctor is talking about shade and light.
Robert laying down make-up facts
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Omg the way he stands in bad lighting that doesnt illuminate both sides equally is hilarious.
This guy seems like a real piece of work.
This is a reminder not to pay too much attention to TikTok makeup tips. I'll stick to my trusted makeup MUA's/ gurus.
Your makeup looks outstanding today. And the hair, the clothes... wow.
The thing I hate about him is that he's like... conventionally very cute. So he can kinda get away with saying complete nonsense because even if he messes the makeup up on himself, he still looks cute. So it makes it seem like his techniques work 😭
Like most of what he says and does is completely wrong but his baseline is so high it doesn't make him look too bad. If someone like me did it I would look insane.
Also Robert your tiny powder puff at like 14:30 is SO cute. It's cracking me UP.
I love you disagreeing ! You're so polite and you give such thorough explanations. More!
If I followed all of this man's make up advice, I would end up looking like I needed his surgical expertise! 😂😂 Thank you for another video based in experience, expertise and artistry! 💜🖤
Maybe that’s his game! He’s trying to get more clients lol
I’m sorry but Mr. Tiktok Doc needs to stay in his lane 😳 Just bc he knows facial bone structure and muscle doesn’t mean he knows one wit about makeup. You most definitely were not being argumentative, but rather pointing out why his “technique” just wouldn’t work. You informed and educated us on why it wouldn’t work and what to do instead. YOU are the expert in this field. If I have a broken nose I would go to someone like him. If I want to learn new makeup skills and techniques and how to look ten years younger (thank you for that last one btw) I go to pro MUA Robert Welsh 🖤 💜 I have learned so much since I started watching you 3 years ago when the pandemic started. It definitely IS your business to disagree and set straight this “doctor”. I appreciate you! ❤
I absolutely love these vídeos. Robert your opinion means a lot to me and your sense of humour is adorable. 💜
Thank you! 🖤🖤
I would listen to Robert over some TikTok "doctor" any day 🤷🏻♀️🖤💜
It's so nice of that Dr to give influencers an invitation to weigh in on surgeries and medical issues, after all he was kind enough to weigh in on actual artist's work
this is the single funniest mental image i've had in weeks thank you so much for this 😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you soo much for talking about mattifying the undereye makes it smoother. For years i could not understand why my undereyes werent as smooth looking as people on youtube. I was using the same products in the same way but i always saw my texture. I have been noticing the people that zoom in closer to their face have like patches of smoothness under their eye depending on where the light is. Thank you for helping me to not feel incompetent ❤❤❤❤
Yes, thank you! I was really shocked at what he was recommending when I saw the shorts for the first time. Thanks so much for the explanations ❤
You are such a wonderful teacher, Robert!! I've learned SO much from watching you!! You're the best!! 🖤😈
Also, I freaking LIVE for this eye makeup. I think you must be enjoying the pretty grunge palette as much as me 🖤 Avante Garde all over the lid every damn day.
I really enjoyed this video Robert. I like it when you show off your makeup knowledge, I learn so much. 🖤
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on this subject. Absolutely fascinating! Even as I watched the doctor explain his “theories” and supposed corrections I’m yelling “NO IT DOESN’T “or “THAT”S NOT RIGHT”. I guess I’ve been watching too many Robert Welsh videos to believe everything I see and hear. You are the BEST. ❤
Waffles, a mocha and a new Robert video = perfect start to Sunday!
This is great! You’re so intelligent and well versed in your field. Thank you for setting this guy right.
Makeup is science AND art. There's a place for just measurements, abstract ideals, etc, but artistic sensibility and technique cannot be excluded from the equation. By the way, he probably does have those things when it comes to the art of filling faces, but he's basically trying to do painting with the techniques of a sculptor.
It can be interesting getting some perspective from someone from another field, but still, it's not the same.
Ooh I like that analogy, good one!! ❤❤❤❤❤
I love whenever you put videos out. Always so informative and fun.
Here for the algorithm ❤
Sending love.
God damn Robert!!! Serving up perfection today!!! The shirt the makeup the glossy lips❤ 😍
Robert’s eyeshadow is to die for
I just can't get past his lighting, one side always looks over exposed and it's hard to see anything, and the other side is all in shadows.....
I knooooow 😂
You really just blew that theory out of the water in such a kind and informative way. I adored this and I PRAY this man sees this video!! Someone share it with him so he can help people because I think his heart is in the right place but the theory isn’t translating like Robert said. 🎉
Ps. I can’t help it but I hope his followers ain’t lookin too old!
That guy for some reason reallllly annoyed me. Something about the way he talks. Little condescending, little full of himself, and most of the crap coming out of his mouth being proven wrong by someone who DOES know what they are talking about in the house of makeup. Thank you Robert for calling out this nonsense.
No shade but... he's a doctor and he films not even in front of a window, cannot he afford a freaking ring light? Dude, c'mon!
He has a lot of windows too! 😝😂
Why can't he face the window? He is causing funky shadows with his face sideways. Come on dude.
@@patriciamartin2613 my point...
I’m sure he can afford one. What a snobby ass comment.
@@patriciamartin2613 did you notice the “good side” with his genius hack seems to face the window and have better lighting while the “bad example” is in the shadow…
Love your videos. Always so clear and informative❤
Thank you!! 🖤🖤
One thing I noticed was the doctor had uneven lighting, one side of his face was shadowed versus the other side which seemed like it had natural light, which would also manipulate (if you will) the effects he was trying to portray. For example, the darker side of his face was the side where he was like "this is a no go" and then the side that had more light or natural light was the "do this" side which will also alter how people view his tips and make it seem more credible. Whereas the amazing Robert has beautiful lighting to show us exactly how these methods would really look on an even lighting scale.
My dark mature under eyes thank you for your explanation of light reflection and product placement ❤❤❤
This is one my favorite of your videos! I feel like I learned so much because you explained both the techniques you use instead and the through line of logic behind them so well. Thank you! ❤
Just have to say how much I love that grungy look on you! ☺
Thank you!! 🖤🖤
I just wanted to tell you that your look in this video is amazing.
I love hearing you get really specific and in-depth about how and why makeup creates illusion to shape your face visually. I loved watching!!!
oh my god, this doctor triggers my misophonia so bad !! I almost couldn't bare with the sound. Why doesn't he level out/balance his sounds? they are so sharp I couldn't follow what he was trying to say. It was such a relief when he was done talking and Robert, your voice is velvet smooth in comparison!
Robert Welsh, MD
Makeup Doctor
Certified… by something… but definitely certified. The only MD I trust to tell me where the heck to put lines (or maybe NOT put lines) on my face.
Omg wow. I'm obsessed with your critique followed by education! I would absolutely take a class from you. Also something that BUGS ME so much is the drs lighting is ALWAYS uneven and he doesn't show the effect long enough. "See how it's better!" No sir! The lighting is bad and you don't stop moving! Anyway. Great work!
Robert I am sooo glad I watch your videos for makeup techniques! My dermatologist would tell me sunscreen only and discourage all makeup 🩷
This is so brilliantly described & illustrated! Thanks Robert ❤
oooo I’ve been waiting for this one!
For dealing with depression in SOOF, Dr Charles' theory is correct but his technique is less controlled. I like using what Wayne Goss showed in his video.
I might sound mean af, but he needs to stick to his degree, he makes no sense. Thank you so much Robert for always educating us on the correct ways.
The first thing that popped in my mind was "stay in your lane, sir"
Makeup is 2D. Filler is 3D. You can't apply all the same principles to both. Just... weird.
Robert!!! Oh my goodness!!! Your eye look is beyond gorgeous! This is in my top 5 favorites that I've seen on you.🎉🎉
Doctor, take notes from the makeup pro. Thanks Robert for the indepth clarification on each and every segment. Always learn so much from you videos ❤
Robert, thank you so much for showing us how to help with downturned lips, I needed that tip!
It honestly felt like he was using the scientific names for the different parts of the face as a way to be like more of an authority on what he was saying, even though it looked wrong. Like, 'oh I know (and am using) the correct terms, so you should definitely trust me!'. It made me tune out because it made me feel dumb for not knowing the terms and like I was being talked at and not to.
It felt a bit...off? I'm not sure how to put it but most people who are knowledgeable in their fields are able to cater their conversations to who they're speaking with. You'd think he'd use less medical jargon (or at least explain it) because his core audience on TikTok aren't likely familiar with anatomy - which as a doctor he should have ample experience with. Maybe he's just a bad teacher.
thank god for your channel, truly!
On point (as always)
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Wow, this really brings light theory to life, Robert! 🖤
That’s right Robert…U r my favorite for a long time now🥰💞
The more I c him and his theories I just can’t help but find him especially pretentious,seriously tho. What does Botox have to do with makeup?? Robert I love U🥰