Hyper forms are definitely canon. It makes sense being able to use the master emerald to get a greater power that isn't achievable with the normal Chaos Emeralds
@@zephyrstudios3013origins isn’t the definitive method to play 3&k the most definitive way to play 3&k is the original Sega genesis lock on tech or the Nintendo GameCube mega collection or Sonic and knuckles collection on PC are the most definitive versions to be play because origins is a remakes and remaster combined with more modern hardware to play
@@yami122 they meant more like, having to come up with more powerful forms every time, like they dont want to have to make an ultra sonic and then a mega sonic and then god sonic and a super-god sonic ect ect
I think originally, there were several emeralds on different locations, of various colors and effects, some games showed 8 or even 16. But as they started progressed the lore, they simplified it to have always been 7 that have moved around across all these locations.
@@ThatguyLucidHurt Heroes actually. I grew up on Heroes and I still have good memories with it. Part of the reason why Shadow is my favourite character then it's Tails.
I heard in one game Shadow could use Chaos abilities without an emerald by “having Maria in his heart”, which I believe means he can use his own energy or life force as a substitute. Kind of like Edward Elric transmuting his life force to heal himself in place of a Philosopher’s Stone.
@DiegoHeor I mean yeah but the reason many ignore that is because it really just doesn't make sense i think it's more canon as another universe if it doesn't make sense. However sonic prime doesn't make sence and its canon so maybe everything actually is but just so I don't lose sanity ima say "nuh uh"
@@ÆwastakenwasalsotakenI don't want to be a nerd, but whether we like it or not, Sonic Prime is indeed canon. There are multiple official sources stating so. But hey, we could always headcanon it's not anyway.
If we want to use the idw argument starline had all seven chaos emerald in forces and yet during thoses event on cutscenes while fighting infinite he performs chaos snap. In a earlier issue of idw shadow performs chaos snap when teleporting to mr tinkier and he had no chaos emerald since starline had all seven. He also used chaos spears several times throughout the book with no chaos emerald in his position. Shadow does not need a chaos emerald to use his chaos power however you can argue chaos control is something different so all his other chaos abilities from snap,spear,and blast he can use without a emerald but he requires a emerald for a full chaos control.
The Archie comics were never canon. They had adaptions of game stories (similarly to the movies) but they weren't canon as they had there own spin on those stories. The IDW comics are new, unique sidestories taking place after Forces. Basically the logic you applied to Sonic X also applies to Archie.
3:56 well there is super amy (somewhat) since she can go super but the trailer for the plus dlc states it as supercharged so its amy just using 1 chaos emerald and is probably the same power level as charged sonic at the end of sonic movie 1
What I really want Sega to explain is the negative and positive energy from the chaos emeralds I meen in unleashed they talked about how the Gaia energy is related to chaos energy so why not do again but this time to explain more about the side of the negative and positive energy of the chaos emeralds
It’s wasn’t the first time though how it relates to the Gaia energy is still a mystery but the chaos emeralds are guided by the will and intent of the user such as in Sonic Adventure when Chaos turned into Perfect Chaos Sonic used the positive energy as Super Sonic to neutralize the negative energy that Chaos was using something similar was done in Sonic Rush when the Egg Salamander was powered by both set the Sol and Chaos emeralds despite being drained were revived by the positive intent and force of Blaze and Sonic Now again how it relates to the Gaia energy it is still a mystery though it’s more of a question of what was the original purpose of the emeralds and Sonic Frontiers did reveal at least 2 secrets about the emeralds 1 the emeralds _seemingly_ aren’t native to Sonic’s world and even though the ancient possessed them they didn’t create the emeralds and 2 the Master Emerald was what called them(the emeralds) to earth to begin with for a still unknown reason with implying that the master emerald is native to the earth far predating any known civilization that had possessed the chaos emeralds such as the echidna and this is just my speculation but since both light and dark Gaia allegedly existed during the dawn of time (being manifestations of destruction and rebirth incarnate) but their powers resonate with the emeralds through the Gaia temples despite the chaos emeralds coming from the ancients which has me thinking the _could’ve_ came from earth but because of their powers were fought over by species aware of their existence like the Black Arms and the Babylonians ended up in the hands of the ancients the emeralds or specifically the master emerald could be of divine origin as there is a missable line of dialogue between Sage and Amy speaking of the symbol that appears in frontiers at certain story points with Sage revealing it’s meant to represent the god of the ancients which “may still exist somewhere” could also be related to the emeralds if not the be the source of them possibly setting the stage for a sequel to frontiers to expand more on it but this is just a theory of mine
Well, Hyper was used, but now they can’t be used since the Super Emeralds reside either deep in the special stages or in another dimension, and the emeralds beside the master emerald in Hidden Palace are either just grey now or are just statues
I think that if the series ever does get a finale, they should end it with a threat so incredibly strong that Sonic has no other choice than to go all in unleashing hyper sonic. It might not even be a boss fight, maybe a snap of the fingers. Maybe in the movies or something.
TBF that quote you used abt Dark Super Sonic says they need to carefully consider things like it (not that it's a "fanmade thing"), and they did use the inhibitor Rings which are from the anime, so the chances for Dark aren't impossible, but probs lower than even Hyper.
I wonder if Sonic (who we know can time travel) can go back in time and get the super emeralds. Also I believe bits of the Archie comics are canon (like Sonic’s power level and abilities and stuff and possibly some of the characters)since Sega rn is trying to weave a lot of the canons together, like how Amy mentions Sticks in Frontiers.
Shadow because he is made with black dooms DNA is able to use SOME chaos moves without a chaos emerald ie: chaos snap, chaos spear, and chaos boost. Big moves like chaos control(obviously) and arguably chaos blast, need an emerald. Remember the inhibitior rings on his wrists and ankles are meant to control and dampen the chaos energy he has.
I had thought of a new lore thing for the Super Emeralds and how they come to be: The Chaos Emeralds need to be Super-Charged by the Master Emerald, and can only be done on Angel Island. And the process takes a long while for the Chaos Emeralds to be fully charged up.
The shadow from the comics that says he can't do a chaos control without emeralds is not real ,the archie comics aren't created by sega so they aren't in the real timeline of sonic games
6:26 and well chaos in sa1 used the negative energy of the emeralds to go perfect and the fake emeralds contain a lot of negative energy so sonic could theoretically go dark with enough rage and emeralds beside him
to be honest i like the super emeralds being in another dimension is kinda cool is like to achive the ultimate form you need to go to another dimension to get that ultimate form wich i love it
Weren't the Super Emeralds in Sonic Mania? They were next to the Master Emerald shrine just like in Sonic 3&K. I know they were grey and cracked but i honestly think that if they fused the Chaos Emeralds into the broken Super Emeralds with the Master Emeralds power harnessed by Knuckles (who could already piece back together the Master Emerald's shards) then they could bring back the Super Emeralds stronger than ever. (Btw i'm pretty sure the Chaos Emeralds and other gems have their power multiply depending on how many you have)
I would like to say that sonic is the embodiment of chaos, he can literally take down super forms in his base form and he has the most chaos energy than anyone else. So tapping into positive, dark and hyper seem pretty easy for him
Did you know that originally each island had it's own set of chaos emeralds. That's why in sonic 1 there were 6 emeralds. In some of the game gear games there were 5. And in sonic spinball there were 16. That's why they all look different and in Aosth im pretty sure there were like 4 or 5 different emeralds as well.
i just wonder why nobody thought that when takashi iizuka said they're locked in another dimension, he probably meant the special stages? i mean it makes the most sense, no?
Their not the chaos emeralds turn into the super emeralds therfore they are not separate plus I think the reason why they said it to avoid having the hyper form staying like dragon ball with the later forms
To be fair Shadow can use a lot of his chaos powers without a Chaos Emerald. He's been shown using abilities such as Chaos Spear, Chaos Blast, etc without an emerald. So while Shadow DOES need a Chaos Emerald to use Chaos Control he doesn't need one to use his energy based attack.
I think Sonic and the gang never had to go hyper because they’ve never run into a problem big enough to require hyper forms. They could potentially add hyper sonic, but there’d be no real reason to, as super sonic can already tackle massive threats. It would make the fan base go ballistic tho
Shadow can use *some* chaos abilities without and emerald. Chaos snap is one of them. In his game and 06, Shadow is using chaos snap before he ever gets one emerald, before he's even near enough to one. Even generations has him using these abilities. Maybe he's using the emeralds that Sonic's holding, but that's unclear. Idw too has been warfing Shadow for a *hot* minute, so he's not as strong as he's been shown before
@ 6:34 Dark Sonic was because his friend was hurt. His human friend, who can’t shrug off damage like his and his Mobian friends can. He got mad and used Negative Chaos Energy, similar to Perfect Chaos in SA1. Just saying.
The thing with boom not being canon... Any at the end of frontiers says something about checking in with cream AND sticks, so in a way boom is canon, or at least the TV series is
I think "another dimension" is his way of saying it's in 2D Sonic, not 3D. Found out Tails telling Classic Sonic that he's a Sonic "from another dimension" was just a joke on 2D Sonic vs 3D (Modern) Sonic.
I'm really glad that people like you exist, where I live very few people have vast knowledge on the Sonic verse, and I normally think I'm alone with this, now I have found you bro, keep it up, glad to be a subscriber.
I think sega just doesn't want hyper to be in another game, here are 2 reasons: 1. hyper can't drown. 2. hyper is alot faster, most likely can cause some very powerful events to happen
By the way, everything IS canon. Sonic boom had this confirmed in an interview. All of these separate continuities take place in different dimensions. While none of them are canon to the mainline continuity they are all different dimensions that exist within the same cosmology. Sort of like a multiverse theory or something.
People forget that the Super Emeralds in the Archie comics are separate from the Chaos emeralds. But the game Super Emeralds are enhanced Chaos Emeralds
Not to Mention, Hyper Sonic has that Midair Dash Ability that snaps all enemies on screen out of existence So Hyper Sonic has that OP Ability AND he is 7x Stronger than Ultra Sonic I want Hyper Sonic to return, but If they wanted to bring Hyper Sonic Back, they would have to create a Villain So OP that its impossible to comprehend, so its heavily unlikely he comes back
Yo Tyrecordslol (not sure what to call you to be honest). When are we getting Sonic vs Kirby? Edit: Didn’t know it was W.I.P. But with the remaining information you have, who do you think would win?
In frontiers Sonic used the ancients power to go Super Sonic 2 because Super Sonic alone wasn't enough... In a future fight he won't have that ppwer anymore... It would be PERFECT for Sonic to go Hyper.
0:04 well you can fit it into the canon since the super emeralds are empty husks in mania which therefore means sonic lost the form as punishment by tikal for probably using it too much by turning the super emeralds Back into the normal Chaos emeralds since its basically a win button in s3&k
If the super emeralds are locked away in another dimension, They’ll have to find some way to traverse through dimensions. Lucky for them, The sol emeralds exist.
The hyper form already exists in the Archie comics with hyper tails so if hyper tails exists and hyper was formed the same way as ultra then hyper can be accessed with 1 super emerald as well the difference I think would be potential “edit” if both sonic and tails absorbed 1B power rings and sonic went ultra then there must’ve been more than 1B for tails to go hyper meaning hyper is formed through less power rings then ultra meaning it’s less powerful
Archie sonic can rewrite reality, by far the strongest sonic form btw, times better than hyper. It’s most likely boundless. If not very high in the dimensional tier
While there is possible no evidence of it, I actually like the thought that Shadow can use Chaos abilities with the energy within his body, like Teleporting short distances, or massively damaging his body with Chaos Blast, but if he uses a Chaos Emerald as a conduit, he can not only greatly decrease the risk to his own body with more powerful moves, but make them more powerful, too.
Lik bro we LITERALLY SEEA IN THE FIRST ARC OF SONIC IDW SHADOW USING CHAOS SPEAR AGAINST SUPER NEO METAL as well as him using chaos abilities against jet storm and wave later on...but let's just ignore those. He can use chaos abilities with the emerald, case closed. Hell we even see in sonic shadow generations shadoW USES chaos powers with an emerald. The idw comic literally only says chaos CONTROL. This is all just your headcanon that you can't prove
I may be wrong but I believe this is the order from weakest to strongest 3. 7 Chaos Emeralds 2. 1 Super Emerald 1. 7 Super Emeralds and The Master Emerald I believe that the Master Emerald hid itself in another dimension put all it’s power into the Locked Super Emeralds and it could only be accessed by putting the Chaos Emeralds into the Locked Super Emeralds. Now after this the Master Emerald began recharging but Mecha Sonic broke into the dimension and tried wielding the Super Emeralds but was unable to due to not having the 7 Chaos Emeralds (He didn’t know he needed them or that the Master Emerald was charging) so he stole the Master Emerald and could only wield the power the Master Emerald had recharged which was equivalent to the 7 Chaos Emeralds. After Mecha Sonic was destroyed and only Sonic, Tails and Knuckles knew about the dimension, the Master Emerald returned to the Super Emeralds and took them and itself to an even more hidden dimension so it could recharge then sit and wait for Sonic and the gang to desperately needs it’s power.
Hyper knuckles and hyper sonic are to this day the strongest characters in the sonic world,probably invencible characters,even more if they fight together
I say there still canon i just hope one day it will come to the mordern games soon like in frontiers it almost happen in sonic frontiers where sonic gose cyber super sonic almost hyper so i hope one day it will come back soon
What I think happens is that Shadow uses the fake emeralds that tails made in sa2. We saw how sonic did it, although he struggled. Shadow however, has much more mastery over Chaos Control. We’ve seen Shadow use that teleportation in issue 5 or 6 of IDW without an emerald, since we know that Doctor Starline had all seven (atleast within the first 12 issues)
if all the shows have their own canon then does that mean the Sticks that was mentioned in Sonic frontiers by Amy a different sticks than the one in sonic boom
Yeah you're outright wrong with Shadow. He can use most of not all of his chaos abilities at this point without a chaos emerald. The only ability he has that he still needs a emerald for is chaos control and even then that's to do it on a large scale. 1 of his inhibitor rings is the equivalent of a chaos emerald of we're going off his fight with Mephiles.
I hat about what happens when he released that burst of chaos energy with out his inhibitor rings and with out a chaos emerald because that is still chaos energy but probably not enough
If anything Sonic related can be canon then I have a fan theory: Super Sonic can use some of the master emerald’s power to supercharge into Hyper Sonic
In my opinion, I don’t think hypersonic is stronger than ultrasonic the chaos emeralds work differently in Archie comics but this video was absolutely amazing Ty is cooking
I understand that hyper sonic doesn't appear anymore because the super emeralds are in another dimension, but it was not mentioned where exactly like what is the name of dimension are they in, could the super emeralds be in angel island or somewhere else right now.
Hyper forms are definitely canon. It makes sense being able to use the master emerald to get a greater power that isn't achievable with the normal Chaos Emeralds
Only hyper sonic. The others are not. Only male hedgehogs and blaze can go super
Didnt Amy go super in the game tho
@@reggielacey2235that’s not true
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@@zephyrstudios3013origins isn’t the definitive method to play 3&k the most definitive way to play 3&k is the original Sega genesis lock on tech or the Nintendo GameCube mega collection or Sonic and knuckles collection on PC are the most definitive versions to be play because origins is a remakes and remaster combined with more modern hardware to play
The Hyper form and Super Emeralds are canon but Sega doesn't want them to return for various (almost always inconsistent) reasons
One reason that makes sense is sega didn’t want it to fall into a dbz transformation trope. Even if we got a mention or a cameo I’d still be happy
@@Syuurpstill did cause Sonic got Super,Hyper & Dark forms
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Whats even more stupid is that hyper sonic was completely origional
@@Syuurp That is a really lame reason because super Sonic already does fall into a dbz transformation trope
@@yami122 they meant more like, having to come up with more powerful forms every time, like they dont want to have to make an ultra sonic and then a mega sonic and then god sonic and a super-god sonic ect ect
Sonic couldn't go Super in the first game because he didn't have the seventh emerald.
There was only 6 special stage so yeah i got all 6 btw
@@ThatguyLucidHurt nice
I think originally, there were several emeralds on different locations, of various colors and effects, some games showed 8 or even 16. But as they started progressed the lore, they simplified it to have always been 7 that have moved around across all these locations.
@@hamzagamalelgamal yeah ik what is ur fav sonic game
@@ThatguyLucidHurt Heroes actually. I grew up on Heroes and I still have good memories with it. Part of the reason why Shadow is my favourite character then it's Tails.
I heard in one game Shadow could use Chaos abilities without an emerald by “having Maria in his heart”, which I believe means he can use his own energy or life force as a substitute. Kind of like Edward Elric transmuting his life force to heal himself in place of a Philosopher’s Stone.
He can.
Yeah, this happens in Sonic Battle, where Shadow give Emerl the *only* Chaos Emerald he has, and then he says this line.
Hyper Sonic to me *IS* canon, but like other forms other than Super, they're temporary.
The super emeralds are in a different universe rn. So Sonic can't get his hands on them.
Or the super emeralds were turned Back into the Chaos emeralds by tikal for using the Form too much
@@hamzagamalelgamalI mean he cld if he wanted to
@@hamzagamalelgamalaccording to Sega which is false and not even remotely true
@@AdamSelvig lol
"Everything is canon" -sega 2021
@DiegoHeor I mean yeah but the reason many ignore that is because it really just doesn't make sense i think it's more canon as another universe if it doesn't make sense. However sonic prime doesn't make sence and its canon so maybe everything actually is but just so I don't lose sanity ima say "nuh uh"
what about sega sonic popcorn shop or that one time he was a cop
@@MyWeirdFox Sonic Prime isn't canon
@@ÆwastakenwasalsotakenI don't want to be a nerd, but whether we like it or not, Sonic Prime is indeed canon. There are multiple official sources stating so. But hey, we could always headcanon it's not anyway.
@@Æwastakenwasalsotaken prime takes place after advance 3
If we want to use the idw argument starline had all seven chaos emerald in forces and yet during thoses event on cutscenes while fighting infinite he performs chaos snap. In a earlier issue of idw shadow performs chaos snap when teleporting to mr tinkier and he had no chaos emerald since starline had all seven.
He also used chaos spears several times throughout the book with no chaos emerald in his position.
Shadow does not need a chaos emerald to use his chaos power however you can argue chaos control is something different so all his other chaos abilities from snap,spear,and blast he can use without a emerald but he requires a emerald for a full chaos control.
The Archie comics were never canon. They had adaptions of game stories (similarly to the movies) but they weren't canon as they had there own spin on those stories. The IDW comics are new, unique sidestories taking place after Forces.
Basically the logic you applied to Sonic X also applies to Archie.
Yeah, the comics are Canon to the Sonic multiverse but not the game timeline
3:56 well there is super amy (somewhat) since she can go super but the trailer for the plus dlc states it as supercharged so its amy just using 1 chaos emerald and is probably the same power level as charged sonic at the end of sonic movie 1
What I really want Sega to explain is the negative and positive energy from the chaos emeralds I meen in unleashed they talked about how the Gaia energy is related to chaos energy so why not do again but this time to explain more about the side of the negative and positive energy of the chaos emeralds
It’s wasn’t the first time though how it relates to the Gaia energy is still a mystery but the chaos emeralds are guided by the will and intent of the user such as in Sonic Adventure when Chaos turned into Perfect Chaos Sonic used the positive energy as Super Sonic to neutralize the negative energy that Chaos was using something similar was done in Sonic Rush when the Egg Salamander was powered by both set the Sol and Chaos emeralds despite being drained were revived by the positive intent and force of Blaze and Sonic
Now again how it relates to the Gaia energy it is still a mystery though it’s more of a question of what was the original purpose of the emeralds and Sonic Frontiers did reveal at least 2 secrets about the emeralds 1 the emeralds _seemingly_ aren’t native to Sonic’s world and even though the ancient possessed them they didn’t create the emeralds and 2 the Master Emerald was what called them(the emeralds) to earth to begin with for a still unknown reason with implying that the master emerald is native to the earth far predating any known civilization that had possessed the chaos emeralds such as the echidna and this is just my speculation but since both light and dark Gaia allegedly existed during the dawn of time (being manifestations of destruction and rebirth incarnate) but their powers resonate with the emeralds through the Gaia temples despite the chaos emeralds coming from the ancients which has me thinking the _could’ve_ came from earth but because of their powers were fought over by species aware of their existence like the Black Arms and the Babylonians ended up in the hands of the ancients the emeralds or specifically the master emerald could be of divine origin as there is a missable line of dialogue between Sage and Amy speaking of the symbol that appears in frontiers at certain story points with Sage revealing it’s meant to represent the god of the ancients which “may still exist somewhere” could also be related to the emeralds if not the be the source of them possibly setting the stage for a sequel to frontiers to expand more on it but this is just a theory of mine
Well, Hyper was used, but now they can’t be used since the Super Emeralds reside either deep in the special stages or in another dimension, and the emeralds beside the master emerald in Hidden Palace are either just grey now or are just statues
I think that if the series ever does get a finale, they should end it with a threat so incredibly strong that Sonic has no other choice than to go all in unleashing hyper sonic. It might not even be a boss fight, maybe a snap of the fingers. Maybe in the movies or something.
Your longer videos are great, definitely looking out for more of em.
TBF that quote you used abt Dark Super Sonic says they need to carefully consider things like it (not that it's a "fanmade thing"), and they did use the inhibitor Rings which are from the anime, so the chances for Dark aren't impossible, but probs lower than even Hyper.
I wonder if Sonic (who we know can time travel) can go back in time and get the super emeralds. Also I believe bits of the Archie comics are canon (like Sonic’s power level and abilities and stuff and possibly some of the characters)since Sega rn is trying to weave a lot of the canons together, like how Amy mentions Sticks in Frontiers.
Shadow because he is made with black dooms DNA is able to use SOME chaos moves without a chaos emerald ie: chaos snap, chaos spear, and chaos boost. Big moves like chaos control(obviously) and arguably chaos blast, need an emerald. Remember the inhibitior rings on his wrists and ankles are meant to control and dampen the chaos energy he has.
This guy is right
I had thought of a new lore thing for the Super Emeralds and how they come to be:
The Chaos Emeralds need to be Super-Charged by the Master Emerald, and can only be done on Angel Island. And the process takes a long while for the Chaos Emeralds to be fully charged up.
The shadow from the comics that says he can't do a chaos control without emeralds is not real ,the archie comics aren't created by sega so they aren't in the real timeline of sonic games
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My headcanon is that shadow can teleport short distance without a chaos emerald. He didn't have enough energy because he was tired.
6:26 and well chaos in sa1 used the negative energy of the emeralds to go perfect and the fake emeralds contain a lot of negative energy so sonic could theoretically go dark with enough rage and emeralds beside him
to be honest i like the super emeralds being in another dimension is kinda cool is like to achive the ultimate form you need to go to another dimension to get that ultimate form wich i love it
Remains me of the Frieza saga where Gohan and the others find the namek dragon Balls on namek
The chaos emeralds are in another dimension too. Iizuka was referring to the special stage dimensions
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@@TheMasonGamer Oooh that cool i did know that
Weren't the Super Emeralds in Sonic Mania? They were next to the Master Emerald shrine just like in Sonic 3&K. I know they were grey and cracked but i honestly think that if they fused the Chaos Emeralds into the broken Super Emeralds with the Master Emeralds power harnessed by Knuckles (who could already piece back together the Master Emerald's shards) then they could bring back the Super Emeralds stronger than ever. (Btw i'm pretty sure the Chaos Emeralds and other gems have their power multiply depending on how many you have)
I would like to say that sonic is the embodiment of chaos, he can literally take down super forms in his base form and he has the most chaos energy than anyone else. So tapping into positive, dark and hyper seem pretty easy for him
Bcz SEGA does not want to make a new form more power full every time like dragon ball
“Everything is Canon” so that means Hyper Sonic IS canon
Did you know that originally each island had it's own set of chaos emeralds. That's why in sonic 1 there were 6 emeralds. In some of the game gear games there were 5. And in sonic spinball there were 16.
That's why they all look different and in Aosth im pretty sure there were like 4 or 5 different emeralds as well.
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Non man shadow can use Chaos Snap without an emerald. Bjt with one he can teleport far
I think Sonic Prime is also canon, at least implied by the recent Tails Tube.
i just wonder why nobody thought that when takashi iizuka said they're locked in another dimension, he probably meant the special stages? i mean it makes the most sense, no?
Their not the chaos emeralds turn into the super emeralds therfore they are not separate plus I think the reason why they said it to avoid having the hyper form staying like dragon ball with the later forms
To be fair Shadow can use a lot of his chaos powers without a Chaos Emerald. He's been shown using abilities such as Chaos Spear, Chaos Blast, etc without an emerald. So while Shadow DOES need a Chaos Emerald to use Chaos Control he doesn't need one to use his energy based attack.
I think Sonic and the gang never had to go hyper because they’ve never run into a problem big enough to require hyper forms. They could potentially add hyper sonic, but there’d be no real reason to, as super sonic can already tackle massive threats. It would make the fan base go ballistic tho
Shadow can use *some* chaos abilities without and emerald. Chaos snap is one of them. In his game and 06, Shadow is using chaos snap before he ever gets one emerald, before he's even near enough to one. Even generations has him using these abilities. Maybe he's using the emeralds that Sonic's holding, but that's unclear. Idw too has been warfing Shadow for a *hot* minute, so he's not as strong as he's been shown before
@ 6:34
Dark Sonic was because his friend was hurt. His human friend, who can’t shrug off damage like his and his Mobian friends can. He got mad and used Negative Chaos Energy, similar to Perfect Chaos in SA1. Just saying.
In my opinion sonic 06 would’ve been the perfect game to re introduce the super emeralds since solaris is in the present, past and future
@@Muicheerio Expect you know
i did not know this miner was a sonic fan, i’m not complaining i’m in for it
The thing with boom not being canon... Any at the end of frontiers says something about checking in with cream AND sticks, so in a way boom is canon, or at least the TV series is
Doing a video like this with Mario would be pretty agonizing lol
I think "another dimension" is his way of saying it's in 2D Sonic, not 3D. Found out Tails telling Classic Sonic that he's a Sonic "from another dimension" was just a joke on 2D Sonic vs 3D (Modern) Sonic.
I'm really glad that people like you exist, where I live very few people have vast knowledge on the Sonic verse, and I normally think I'm alone with this, now I have found you bro, keep it up, glad to be a subscriber.
4:25 it is yes because his dna contains chaos energy and no because most of that dna can only be accsessed by an emerald
I think sega just doesn't want hyper to be in another game, here are 2 reasons: 1. hyper can't drown. 2. hyper is alot faster, most likely can cause some very powerful events to happen
I personally think it’s only for one reason; Super Sonic is more iconic
@@SonicSatamAnimations Yep I also think that
Ultra sonic might be canon, even though the Archie comics arent
Major hole in the Shadow needs an emerald point
He can use Chaos Blast and Control in Shadow without any emeralds in Westopolis
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By the way, everything IS canon. Sonic boom had this confirmed in an interview. All of these separate continuities take place in different dimensions. While none of them are canon to the mainline continuity they are all different dimensions that exist within the same cosmology. Sort of like a multiverse theory or something.
The hyper forms are canon. We just can’t access the forms because the emeralds that are needed were sent to a different dimension
I really hope the movies dive into Sonic's other forms. and maybe even have the werehog as part of a cutaway joke or something.
one move shadow doesn't need to use a chaos emerald for, chaos sleep, goes to sleep with chaos energy
What happens if sonic uses the negative energy of the real chaos emeralds
DarkSpine Sonic is my favorite Sonic transformation, it’s goated 🔥🐐
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Darkspine is your goat but hyper sonic is strong but sadly is canon
@@Mark_withgun Why sadly? Isn’t hyper sonic good? Like well favorited in the fan base and franchise?
Well I was a fan of sonic but I'm now a fan of metal Sonic
Like metal Sonic more than sonic the also I'm like hyper sonic that all
@@Mark_withgun my fav hyper too amy hyper is cannon ?
People forget that the Super Emeralds in the Archie comics are separate from the Chaos emeralds. But the game Super Emeralds are enhanced Chaos Emeralds
Not to Mention, Hyper Sonic has that Midair Dash Ability that snaps all enemies on screen out of existence
So Hyper Sonic has that OP Ability AND he is 7x Stronger than Ultra Sonic
I want Hyper Sonic to return, but If they wanted to bring Hyper Sonic Back, they would have to create a Villain So OP that its impossible to comprehend, so its heavily unlikely he comes back
I hope they make a game about sonic where he has to go to hyper to beat the main villain
I absolutely loved hyper sonic!
Yo Tyrecordslol (not sure what to call you to be honest). When are we getting Sonic vs Kirby?
Edit: Didn’t know it was W.I.P. But with the remaining information you have, who do you think would win?
Video is in the works, I’m currently learning/playing all Kirby games but I’ll have a video by next month.
@OOFTheEDITOR yeah cuz all mario's are the same true but i understand peeps points but if u connect the dots y'know
@Tyrecordslol Ok thank you very much. Can’t wait to see it! I know you’re creating a masterpiece!
Thank you very much for the information.
In frontiers Sonic used the ancients power to go Super Sonic 2 because Super Sonic alone wasn't enough... In a future fight he won't have that ppwer anymore... It would be PERFECT for Sonic to go Hyper.
0:04 well you can fit it into the canon since the super emeralds are empty husks in mania which therefore means sonic lost the form as punishment by tikal for probably using it too much by turning the super emeralds Back into the normal Chaos emeralds since its basically a win button in s3&k
I hope there'll be a sonic game where they get the super emeralds back to fight a bigger threat
The canonical reason for hyper not being seen is because canonically the super emeralds were warped to another dimension right?
In my opinion hyper sonic had SO MUCH power that the emeralds got scattered up and got destroyed and sonic Can't use them and he has to fix them
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So we just gonna act like you were saucing this Ganon up with the homemade BBQ special in this clip
0:58
Bro was comboing the bricks off him
If the super emeralds are locked away in another dimension, They’ll have to find some way to traverse through dimensions. Lucky for them, The sol emeralds exist.
Please talk about Knuckles ENERJAK MODE
Nah yall saying great vid even tho it came out just 33 seconds ago 😭😭😭🙏🙏
And the video is 8 mins
@@navinsingh5399😡 watelmalon cat will win. this a joke kk
If you think about it movie Sonic might be able to get the super emeralds because he can travel demensions.
The hyper form already exists in the Archie comics with hyper tails so if hyper tails exists and hyper was formed the same way as ultra then hyper can be accessed with 1 super emerald as well the difference I think would be potential “edit” if both sonic and tails absorbed 1B power rings and sonic went ultra then there must’ve been more than 1B for tails to go hyper meaning hyper is formed through less power rings then ultra meaning it’s less powerful
Archie sonic can rewrite reality, by far the strongest sonic form btw, times better than hyper. It’s most likely boundless. If not very high in the dimensional tier
While there is possible no evidence of it, I actually like the thought that Shadow can use Chaos abilities with the energy within his body, like Teleporting short distances, or massively damaging his body with Chaos Blast, but if he uses a Chaos Emerald as a conduit, he can not only greatly decrease the risk to his own body with more powerful moves, but make them more powerful, too.
They are. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about
@@reggielacey2235 Ah, I see. Good to know. First time on this guy's vids, so was not entirely sure.
The comic only says chaos control. We even see him using chaos abilities later on and even in the first arc
Silver the goat fr
what if they made the archie series into a game. good or bad
Triplets born the throne awaits-
If they’re in another dimension, what are they doing in Mania?
This video is very nice because there's a lot of evidence and proof.
No it doesnt . FACT there is evidence against what hes saying like the idw comics and Ian flynn
The thing about shadow one is that in the Sonic 3 trailer he didn’t use it and he didn’t mention it
In my point of view, if they re added hyper forms into the games, every antagonist would be utterly fucked.
They did Amy so dirty with her super form 🤣she literally only got a lighter pink 😭
Lik bro we LITERALLY SEEA IN THE FIRST ARC OF SONIC IDW SHADOW USING CHAOS SPEAR AGAINST SUPER NEO METAL as well as him using chaos abilities against jet storm and wave later on...but let's just ignore those. He can use chaos abilities with the emerald, case closed. Hell we even see in sonic shadow generations shadoW USES chaos powers with an emerald. The idw comic literally only says chaos CONTROL. This is all just your headcanon that you can't prove
I may be wrong but I believe this is the order from weakest to strongest
3. 7 Chaos Emeralds
2. 1 Super Emerald
1. 7 Super Emeralds and The Master Emerald
I believe that the Master Emerald hid itself in another dimension put all it’s power into the Locked Super Emeralds and it could only be accessed by putting the Chaos Emeralds into the Locked Super Emeralds.
Now after this the Master Emerald began recharging but Mecha Sonic broke into the dimension and tried wielding the Super Emeralds but was unable to due to not having the 7 Chaos Emeralds (He didn’t know he needed them or that the Master Emerald was charging) so he stole the Master Emerald and could only wield the power the Master Emerald had recharged which was equivalent to the 7 Chaos Emeralds. After Mecha Sonic was destroyed and only Sonic, Tails and Knuckles knew about the dimension, the Master Emerald returned to the Super Emeralds and took them and itself to an even more hidden dimension so it could recharge then sit and wait for Sonic and the gang to desperately needs it’s power.
Hyper knuckles and hyper sonic are to this day the strongest characters in the sonic world,probably invencible characters,even more if they fight together
Bro is the sonic matpat🗿🗿🗿
The emerald missing from sonic 1 was the cyan emerald just to clarify
I say there still canon i just hope one day it will come to the mordern games soon like in frontiers it almost happen in sonic frontiers where sonic gose cyber super sonic almost hyper so i hope one day it will come back soon
What I think happens is that Shadow uses the fake emeralds that tails made in sa2. We saw how sonic did it, although he struggled. Shadow however, has much more mastery over Chaos Control. We’ve seen Shadow use that teleportation in issue 5 or 6 of IDW without an emerald, since we know that Doctor Starline had all seven (atleast within the first 12 issues)
Shadow never used a fake emerald
@@donovanjr284reading is a fundamental skill. He did not say anything about shadow using a fake emerald. He said sonic did.
@@Nephmajiin yeah reading is a fundamental skill.....
In the first sentence he literally mentioned shadow used FAKE emeralds that Tails made SMH
@@donovanjr284 I concede to the fact that I misread the statement. My apologies good sir.🗿
if all the shows have their own canon then does that mean the Sticks that was mentioned in Sonic frontiers by Amy a different sticks than the one in sonic boom
i had no idea he was doing long form
8 minutes isn’t longform
Yeah you're outright wrong with Shadow. He can use most of not all of his chaos abilities at this point without a chaos emerald. The only ability he has that he still needs a emerald for is chaos control and even then that's to do it on a large scale. 1 of his inhibitor rings is the equivalent of a chaos emerald of we're going off his fight with Mephiles.
I hat about what happens when he released that burst of chaos energy with out his inhibitor rings and with out a chaos emerald because that is still chaos energy but probably not enough
Shadow without the inhibitor rings CAN use chaos energy
If anything Sonic related can be canon then I have a fan theory: Super Sonic can use some of the master emerald’s power to supercharge into Hyper Sonic
Or you could say that’s my headcanon
In my opinion, I don’t think hypersonic is stronger than ultrasonic the chaos emeralds work differently in Archie comics but this video was absolutely amazing Ty is cooking
so Nobody has been powerful enough for him to turn hyper 🧐🧐🧐🧐
Think about it like the multiverse there's alternative universes and each Sonic is different
I understand that hyper sonic doesn't appear anymore because the super emeralds are in another dimension, but it was not mentioned where exactly like what is the name of dimension are they in, could the super emeralds be in angel island or somewhere else right now.