Microcode updates won't save CPUs that are already glitching out. Remember - these CPUs used to work fine at some point, but then degraded over time. The most you can expect from microcode update is preventing damage to a CPU which still works fine.
@@doriginaldigitaltim How many Intel users do you think even know about the problem? I bet it crashes regularly for many of them and they blame it on the poorly developed game or the new graphics card driver. The average user doesn't assume that the problem is with the CPU. They don't overclock and they want to use their PC straight away without understanding anything technically. If you look in forums where people put together a setup with 64GB RAM and a 4060ti on a PCI 3.0 board, then you can be sure that they generally don't really know what's good for gaming.
I expect the microcode update will prevent further damage to the effected CPUs. However, it can't fix damage that has already been done. Cpus that are alreadyvhaving problems will continue to have problems and decreasing the voltage may illuminate cpus that have been damaged already but haven't shown it because the voltage is currently high enough to mask the issue they have. I wonder if Intel will try to avoid that by also slowing down the processors one way or another.
I'm looking for laptops for my brothers and their schools recommended gen 12 or 13 for intel cpus. Should I avoid gen 13 for the time being and settle for a gen 12 or an amd cpu instead?
I`ve got the 14th Gen 14900K and did stabilize it for now but some games still ask alot of the cpu and then it can become to hot and gets thermal throttled wich means instant game crash or sometime`s blue screen. I did update my Bios to the latest of MSI and its okay but i still use XMP for further stabilization.
why didnt i find this crap out a week ago! i just got a mini pc with the i9-13900H should i not run it at all until the real update later this month? or its running some very low intensity stuff right now (home assistant) yes i know its WAY overkill for home assistant. but i just don't wanna damage my new PC any one have any suggestions?
@@JULVEXGAMING Okay good, hopefully they issue a real fix that fully addresses the issue. I plan on using it as a PC at some point, But finding out about the microcode issue I'm not trying to do that so for now it's confined to home assistant and multiple add-ons mainly frigate for camera feeds and NVR. I haven't dug fully into the microcode thing Is it just when you're using it moderately that the voltage increases or how does that work do you have anywhere you can point me where I can learn more?
If you use a MSI Z790 motherboard, MSI is undervolting the CPUs by default as per their Intel Stability Stream. I have 2 13th Gen CPUs, a 13900K paired with a MPG Z790 Edge WiFi DDR4 and a 13900KS paired with a MEG Z790 ACE. Both CPUs were undervolted since day 1 and haven't had any instability issues so far after more than a year of usage. By default, both of my MSI mobos set low AC/DC LL at 50/80. On top of that I set the following undervolt settings for both of my CPUs: - CPU Voltage Mode: Adaptive + Offset - CPU Voltage Offset: -0.050V - IA CEP: Disabled (MSI Default) - PL1: 225W - PL2: 250W - iccMax: 400A - Turbo Enhancement: Off With the above settings the 13900K never goes beyond 1.38V and the 13900KS reach 1.42V when playing CPU intensive games. At 100% load both stays below 1.3V. I set the PL1 and PL2 values to have better temperatures as my AIOs aren't enough to dissipate more than 253W. But with the current settings, the CPUs never goes beyond 85°C and get between 38-39K in Cinebench R23. I don't use the recently added Intel Default profile as that profile increment the AC/DC LLs up to 1.1mOhms and also enables IA CEP causing Vcore spikes up to 1.6V. Both of the settings that I posted above are on top of the Water Cooling Profile.
@@JULVEXGAMING No problem, if you try those settings let me know how it goes as every CPU is different. For example I started undervolting my 13900K with -0.075V but I found that some games started to CTD and the undervolt was too much. So once I reduced the undervolt to -0.050V everything works fine. Maybe you can undervolt your CPU a bit more and get it stable.
IMO MSI isn't undervolting them enough. I just got a 13700KF, I ordered it right before this stuff started popping up on my feeds. So I was aware of what was going on by the time I was building. On my first boot I saw the CPU was getting 1.54v on the Vcore, not OK in my experience. So I immediately started manually undervolting. Got it down to 1.28v with an extra OC to 5..5Ghz.
@@ProfSnakes it could be because you mobo already had the latest bios with the Intel Defaults enabled. The Intel Default enabled increments the AC/DC loadlines to match 1.1mOhms as per Intel's recommendation and that causes the vcore to go up to 1.6V.
@VGShrine maybe. I had been trying to err on the side of caution and had updated the bios before letting it boot at all. The first full boot was actually an accident. I had been trying to get into the bios to undervolt it before it ever got into windows but was hitting numlock instead of delete.... So since it had started windows anyway, I went ahead and opened Hwmonitor and noped out as soon as I saw 1.54v.
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Microcode updates won't save CPUs that are already glitching out. Remember - these CPUs used to work fine at some point, but then degraded over time. The most you can expect from microcode update is preventing damage to a CPU which still works fine.
thats just rumour
Trade it in on warranty ..they've extended the warranty 2 more years = 5 years...
@@doriginaldigitaltim How many Intel users do you think even know about the problem? I bet it crashes regularly for many of them and they blame it on the poorly developed game or the new graphics card driver. The average user doesn't assume that the problem is with the CPU. They don't overclock and they want to use their PC straight away without understanding anything technically. If you look in forums where people put together a setup with 64GB RAM and a 4060ti on a PCI 3.0 board, then you can be sure that they generally don't really know what's good for gaming.
Hey
is this affecting only desktop processor or both desktop and laptop processor
I am considering to buy a laptop with Intel i7 13 gen processor
I expect the microcode update will prevent further damage to the effected CPUs. However, it can't fix damage that has already been done. Cpus that are alreadyvhaving problems will continue to have problems and decreasing the voltage may illuminate cpus that have been damaged already but haven't shown it because the voltage is currently high enough to mask the issue they have.
I wonder if Intel will try to avoid that by also slowing down the processors one way or another.
Trade it in on warranty ..they've extended the warranty 2 more years = 5 years...
I'm looking for laptops for my brothers and their schools recommended gen 12 or 13 for intel cpus. Should I avoid gen 13 for the time being and settle for a gen 12 or an amd cpu instead?
Gen 12 or an AMD laptop should be fine, I would avoid 13th gen
@@JULVEXGAMING Thanks!
I`ve got the 14th Gen 14900K and did stabilize it for now but some games still ask alot of the cpu and then it can become to hot and gets thermal throttled wich means instant game crash or sometime`s blue screen.
I did update my Bios to the latest of MSI and its okay but i still use XMP for further stabilization.
"i still use XMP for further stabilization." ? For me XMP is not working, it crashes every time I activate it, how did you solved it?
@@NaterFernat You mean that if you try to use XMP the application crashes?
@@NaterFernatmine used to freeze when XMP is enabled . The fix was to use C States and C1E on auto in bios .
How did you stabilise it? What does that even mean? I've got a new 14700F and I've love to not have a brick later on.
why didnt i find this crap out a week ago! i just got a mini pc with the i9-13900H should i not run it at all until the real update later this month? or its running some very low intensity stuff right now (home assistant) yes i know its WAY overkill for home assistant. but i just don't wanna damage my new PC any one have any suggestions?
You can run Home assistant, it wouldn't be an issue. It is a good idea to take the time to stress test and monitor temps, but for your use you'll fine
@@JULVEXGAMING Okay good, hopefully they issue a real fix that fully addresses the issue. I plan on using it as a PC at some point, But finding out about the microcode issue I'm not trying to do that so for now it's confined to home assistant and multiple add-ons mainly frigate for camera feeds and NVR. I haven't dug fully into the microcode thing Is it just when you're using it moderately that the voltage increases or how does that work do you have anywhere you can point me where I can learn more?
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If you use a MSI Z790 motherboard, MSI is undervolting the CPUs by default as per their Intel Stability Stream.
I have 2 13th Gen CPUs, a 13900K paired with a MPG Z790 Edge WiFi DDR4 and a 13900KS paired with a MEG Z790 ACE. Both CPUs were undervolted since day 1 and haven't had any instability issues so far after more than a year of usage.
By default, both of my MSI mobos set low AC/DC LL at 50/80. On top of that I set the following undervolt settings for both of my CPUs:
- CPU Voltage Mode: Adaptive + Offset
- CPU Voltage Offset: -0.050V
- IA CEP: Disabled (MSI Default)
- PL1: 225W
- PL2: 250W
- iccMax: 400A
- Turbo Enhancement: Off
With the above settings the 13900K never goes beyond 1.38V and the 13900KS reach 1.42V when playing CPU intensive games. At 100% load both stays below 1.3V.
I set the PL1 and PL2 values to have better temperatures as my AIOs aren't enough to dissipate more than 253W. But with the current settings, the CPUs never goes beyond 85°C and get between 38-39K in Cinebench R23.
I don't use the recently added Intel Default profile as that profile increment the AC/DC LLs up to 1.1mOhms and also enables IA CEP causing Vcore spikes up to 1.6V. Both of the settings that I posted above are on top of the Water Cooling Profile.
@@VGShrine thanks for sharing this!
@@JULVEXGAMING No problem, if you try those settings let me know how it goes as every CPU is different. For example I started undervolting my 13900K with -0.075V but I found that some games started to CTD and the undervolt was too much. So once I reduced the undervolt to -0.050V everything works fine. Maybe you can undervolt your CPU a bit more and get it stable.
IMO MSI isn't undervolting them enough. I just got a 13700KF, I ordered it right before this stuff started popping up on my feeds.
So I was aware of what was going on by the time I was building. On my first boot I saw the CPU was getting 1.54v on the Vcore, not OK in my experience. So I immediately started manually undervolting. Got it down to 1.28v with an extra OC to 5..5Ghz.
@@ProfSnakes it could be because you mobo already had the latest bios with the Intel Defaults enabled. The Intel Default enabled increments the AC/DC loadlines to match 1.1mOhms as per Intel's recommendation and that causes the vcore to go up to 1.6V.
@VGShrine maybe. I had been trying to err on the side of caution and had updated the bios before letting it boot at all. The first full boot was actually an accident. I had been trying to get into the bios to undervolt it before it ever got into windows but was hitting numlock instead of delete....
So since it had started windows anyway, I went ahead and opened Hwmonitor and noped out as soon as I saw 1.54v.
barely could understand what you were saying, sry