They are making committments that other people have to deliver and apparently expect some kind of credit. The regulatory focus on tailpipe CO2 is an example of the "paperclip maximiser" mentality which often afflicts technocrats.
@@jamescaley9942 exactly. Riding the bus or a bicycle instead of c-class ...thats for you. Zoom call versus a jet for whole delegation to some country with all inclusive hotel ☺ thats for us
It doesn't really matter what the UK chooses, it's only a relatively small market to sell cars into (~2% of global new car sales). No car manufacturers are basing their development plans on a single country. European countries are largely treated as a market grouping with similar tastes and requirements, so realistically the UK has to fit into the wider area plans. Potentially Japanese manufacturers could continue to supply hybrid vehicles (2035 hybrid sales only in JP), but they tend to develop European specific vehicles or variants. South Korea also has a 2035 ICE ban target. UK doesn't source many vehicles from China, India or US sources, but they are all also pointing towards (in their own internal complex ways) ICE vehicle sales restrictions in the next ~20 years.
Right! LNG is much purer fuel. No one talks about small turbo engines on LNG. You can have 70-80bhp easily from a 900cc single turbo engine, with miserable emissions, which is the most of cars specs in traffic...
@@Monaleenian a politician who appears to be doing the "right" thing can also be very dangerous, Mao and Hitler were both making the appearance of doing the "right" thing....
letting the engineers finding creative ways costs money and companies don't want that. they want to spend as little money as possible to achieve the target. so, if there will be no target anymore, companies that do r&d for engines will...stay with what they have until they will get new targets. So new emission targets are a necessary evil.
Richard, Engineer here! What you talked about with regards to looking at the whole lifecycle is exactly what we are taught about (we call it lifecycle analysis) and what the government continually fails to consider. We need a “cradle to grave” approach to considering our emissions from vehicles, not just its operating lifetime. Love your videos by the way 👍
I did the cradle to grave emissions (CO2)... the BEV would need to be driven around 130k before it would reach parity with a standard ICE car. It's why I have stated to save the environment, we need to stop unnecessarily scrapping perfectly good working vehicles, decarbonise the electricity grid to start with and implement mass public transportation systems. BEV's are terrible for the environment due to the PM that is emitted from the road surface/tyres/brakes. It's easy to point out there are no emissions in the UK when we are just exporting the pollution to third world countries who have to mine the lithium / cobalt etc.
Precisely and this is a more technical way I think to describe what Rowan Atkinson was alluding to in why electric vehicles offer some advantages but it's not the haven to our problems.
@@khalidacosta7133 130k miles is not unachievable, though I suspect many won't get anywhere near that before getting rid of the car (or before the batteries fail). It also depends on how you've calculated the energy mix for recharging - if you've based it on the current energy mix in the UK, it's probably overestimating the mileage required for parity versus where the energy sector is heading in future alongside the 2030 target for the banning of the sale of ICE vehicles. Completely agree, however, that leagues ahead of either option is just keeping your existing car until it stops working, rather than buying a new one every few years.
I have to agree and can't wait to see a calculation that also includes the emissions of extracting, processing and delivering of petrol. It would also be good to understand what can be recycled from a used electric car? I wish you could recycle Petrol after it has been burnt.
Reality is that making a new car has a HUGE footprint in emissions. Keeping an older and well maintained car, untill it really needs replacement is often the best way to keep pollution low.
Who gives a shit. The whole emissions and CO2 narrative is bollocks from top to bottom and is there for an entirely different agenda that doesn't involve you travelling anywhere.
spot on i have heard figures as high as 80 % of emissions due to new builds ,makes sense mining emissions processing more emissions shipping more emissions ,better off running a v8 5litre till it dies
I passed my driving test in March this year but I still occasionally come here to watch Richard's videos just because of how fun he is in explaining things.
same, even tho I passed my license on first try 4 years ago :P Kind of nice seeing how its done in other countries. Most confusing shock for me was how often you use the e-brake for example
Richard, I know you get these comments all the time, but I passed my test with 2 minors today and couldn't have done it without you! The insight you give is second to none, and the catalogue of videos you've made over the past few years have changed countless lives in a brilliant way. After starting my driving journey in 2021, I just couldn't get the hang of roundabouts, mirrors or meeting situations. When I watched your videos, my understanding and confidence grew hugely. Then, when I had to leave my driving instructor and only had private practice in my dad's car for more than a year, your instructor's insight became even more vital (not least through Collingwood insurance :)! Your videos are also very entertaining, which makes learning to drive way more fun and relaxing. I never received any mock test. Despite this, I really felt ready to pass as I reversed into the parking bay for my first actual test. It was only then that the examiner walked out, and informed us that the rear reversing light was out, and he couldn't take me on test. This was despite us meticulously checking all the lights the night before. A week before the next test, the car broke down, and we had to re-schedule for 4 months down the line. With the life of the car in doubt, I could've given up, but watching your content and seeing your passion for cars encouraged me to persist, and re-book again. A car is not just a machine; if kept for a while, a car can almost become part of the family. My dad's Ford Focus was bought in 2005, after it had a very short stint as a company car for the Ford showroom. I remember being driven around in it when I was little, and today, 18 years after it became part of my life, I passed my driving test in it. Yes; it has had a new clutch, new brakes and a new alternator (all of which were faults that only developed after I started driving it), but it's still 'The Focus'. We joked when we stood on the side of the motorway, with a dead battery, a few days before my test was due: "It's like it knows." As you get to know it, a car can show its personality. You grow together, go on adventures and make ever-lasting memories. Being able to drive brings about so many opportunities, acting as a gateway to new careers and life experiences. To drive on an open road is perhaps the greatest freedom a person can experience, and it is a freedom granted by a mutual understanding of the Highway Code. Somewhat paradoxically, knowing and obeying such a thick rulebook only increases the freedom felt. I know I can drive safely, and in that knowledge, I know I can drive with a smile on my face. If you are reading this, and you think that this can never be you, then you must remember that you are always getting better. Each time you make a mistake, you can learn from it. Even if you had a bad drive, you can always look back and find out why it happened and where you went wrong. Two days before today, my dad and I went for a drive in the evening, and I had a terrible session. I forgot which way to give way at a mini-roundabout, and then I pulled off unsafely at a bigger roundabout. My dad had to shout "STOP!!" (we don't have dual controls); yet we went over it, and today I passed. Don't let mistakes drag you down and knock your confidence, you can do it! The ability to drive a car is a gift. That is the gift that you give to all of us, Richard. Your meticulous love of cars and stats is a joy and an inspiration. Thank you, and please, never stop doing what you love. -Michael
Congratulations to your license! Regarding the part about the car becoming a family member it is 100% accurate, me and my wife talks about and to the car as a family member, even our daughter does. My daughter thanks the car every day for being nice and always bringing her home😂. Wifey has a strict code that we dont talk bad about the car when the car can hear us. Wherever we go, our loyal family member comes with us.
One thing I like about diesels is that you can get one with quite a lot of power while still being economical, for example, a 330d vs the petrol variant, especially if you do a lot of motorway miles like myself
It is different in different cars, for example 3.0 diesel vs petrol on new toureg got same fuel eff in long testings, but petrol of course much comfortable to drive
@@dragospahontu well Diesel is already more energy dense than gasoline and While I dont know the exact thermal efficency of the b58 (probably a trade secret) it would be impossible for it to match an equivalent Diesel engine, it would be even more impossible for it to exceed its thermal efficency to the point of getting more energy out of (the less energy dense) gasoline Then an equivalent Diesel engine would out of Diesel
In Denmark it's very clear. Absurd taxation on diesel cars. I own an older toyota yaris diesel. Very good engine. Easily get 4.2L/100km. When i replace my car, it's going to be petrol. The amount of litres I can buy with the taxes I'm paying for this is absurd.
combined or highway? my 1.5L mx5 sports-convertible gets 4.5l/100km on the highway quite easily, 6.5l/100km on my incredibly short 6km one way city commutes
Hi Richard, I've got my license but unfortunately soon after earning it, I scratched another car while parking (thankfully insurance covered everything) and became very anxious about having my car anywhere close to other cars. Your videos help me get my driving-related anxieties under control, thank you for making them!
I agree, the same perspective on emissions and electric cars was in one of the latest episodes of Lex Fridman podcast. It is the developed countries that only look at their backyard and try to please themselves that they help the climate. In reality, no one of them wants a de-appreciation of the value of their houses by having wind turbines or solar panels farms beside their properties. No one wants to produce toxic chemicals for batteries in their developed countries but prefers to outsource this to third-world poor countries so they to deal with these issues.
>It is the developed countries that only look at their backyard and try to please themselves that they help the climate Yeah oil extraction in oil rich countries looks like rainbows and butterflies. Fracking also has zero downsides too. >In reality, no one of them wants a de-appreciation of the value of their houses by having wind turbines or solar panels farms beside their properties Wind farms are already very common across large swathes of the US. Farmers get paid for their land use and the power companies get the electricity. Win-win. >No one wants to produce toxic chemicals for batteries in their developed countries but prefers to outsource this to third-world poor countries so they to deal with these issues. A BEV only needs a few dozen pounds of these very hard to mine minerals for the entire life cycle of the car. While every time you fill up your car, hundreds of pounds of hard to mine materials go in. And before you say I'm an EV shill, I own a V8 car and a gas motorcycle. Not exactly a Tesla fanboy.
@@adamek9750 Would you be happy if you paid £200k and then a few years later, when you needed to move into a bigger house to live, was only paid £100k?
Why do people still believe that co2 is a baddie? It’s the staff of life for all our plants and we need plant life to produce the oxygen we use to survive. The amounts of co2 in the atmosphere is minuscule and levels have been much higher in the history of the planet. Climate change is a business to make money for the super rich folk and there is no proof that humans can do anything to change the climate. Adhering to the net zero nonsense however is destroying our economy and rapidly making the masses poorer whilst increasing the wealth of the super rich massively. Look at the profits of Shell and BP as an example.
Just passed my driving test today with 3 minors. Your videos have been so helpful throughout the process. Would recommend anyone to watch your channel who is learning. 🎉🎉
I have a 2008 Mondeo 2.0 Turbo Diesel - averaging 43.3 mpg with short-medium length trips. It won't be as economical as smaller-engined cars or more modern engines but I absolutely love it to bits. Prior to owning it, I'd never driven a turbo (anything) and I'm still blown away by how fast it is. It's a handsome brute too!
What you said at the end was mind-blowing. 100% agree, didn't even think about it this way, but you're right. Let there be a fight between the technologies, let win the better one for its goal.
I passed my test last month but I still enjoy watching your videos! Even after getting my driving license you’re still very educational and I’ve learnt a lot from you!
The way you explained the whole 2030 ban in such a way that suggests engineers are being limited to what they can create and experiment with was absolutely brilliant. It's like only teaching a kid that 2+2=4, instead of teaching many other methods that also lead to the same result, like 2x2=4. Love the content! :D
I bought a C4, a 2013 1.6 hdi, initially I hated it, like you the steering felt vague. Over time I grew to love it’s smoothness and comfort, and of course it’s economy, regularly getting in the mid 60’s from a gallon. I exchanged it for a 2013 Fiesta Titanium X. What a complete load of rubbish, biggest regret of my life. I now have a Renault Megane 1.6 diesel and I love it. French cars every time now for me. Great video btw.
I was thinking yesterday I wanted to find a video on the differences between diesel and petrol ownership. The next day, my favourite car TH-cam channel posts a video on the topic! Thanks!
No big surprise here. Diesel cars are cleaner than ever and still make sense financially when doing a lot of motorway driving, but if it goes wrong, the repair bills of diesel fuel system can wipe out potential savings. Also not so suitable for urban and short distance driving as dpf doesn't get a chance to get hot enough to burn out accumulated soot. Good video and insight.
@FoookOff yes they do have GPFs but they run hotter and produce less soot so are less prone to clogging up, unlike diesels. I got 1.8 tdci engine in my 09 plate Focus without dpf and pussy driving gives me 64mpg, normal driving drops it to 50mpg. When I had Mk2 Ka with 1.2 petrol which claims excellent mpg on paper like 50+, even driving like a granny never gave me more than 55mpg, and driving it 70mph would drop it to 45mpg. Both cars had full service etc I wish I was driving something more environmentally friendly but with prices these days I think my Focus will have to last me at least few more years!!
I heard petrol cars will be equipped with PPF too. Not sure if it's true or not. But if it is, sounds like petrol cars need to have long run once in a while to clean the filter.
@@gamtax they call them GPF - GASOLINE PARTICULATE FILTER and there are cars that already have them. They will probably need a good run once in a while but because petrol engine runs hotter and makes less soot they should give less trouble than DPFs.
Can't imagine driving an ICE car again, only got EVs the last 9 years. Piston engines are so far away now, its like going into a museum and seeing a steam engine. Worked 35 years before on my own ICE cars, I am so glad that this is over.
Hi Richard, love your videos, which have helped me not only pass my exam but also look like a pro when purchasing my used car. I was wondering if you would consider doing videos for new drivers? Things like what to do at a petrol pump, validating parking, parking restriction signs, speed limit on motorways, checking tire pressure, driving in snow, etc?? These are just off the top of my head, wondering if you would consider?? Thanks mate! :)
I am driving Renault Megane 2 .2003 1.5 dci. Mixed fuel consumption on 5000km is 3,7L /100km.Why should I buy another new car? Not a chance.... Regular maintenance and it can serve me another 10 years. I am driving car - car is not driving my wallet. Cheers.
I'm very interested in the carbon neutral synthetic fuel Porsche has been working on. If they can get the cost comparable with traditional fuel that'd be an extremely desirable solution.
Good day, Richard! I've been learning to drive for the whole duration of my summer and you've been great help. You indeed leave up to the channel's name.
I have the 2014 C4 1.6 diesel. I measure fuel consumption by filling the tank and noting distance travelled. In 7 years of mixed driving, not much on motorways, overall it has averaged 52.2mpg (INDICATED 56MPG). Max, after a 220 mile run from Sheffield to South Wales (non-motorway) it achieved 60mpg against an indicated 64.8mpg. The C4 is comfortable, reliable, economical and I'm loath to change it unless it's for another diesel. A note about the over-estimate of the indicated mpg; the percentage difference is never constant. the error ranges between +18% to -10% over 160 tank fills (73000 miles)
Good material as always. The issue with diesels is that the clog up in city riding or short drives, so the real life emissions are way worse for many cars. But if properly maintained and driven, the diesels are not bad.
Beautifull stuff! Dead tired of idiotic supercar tests, Doug Demuros and handling mumbo jumbos, actually, that C4 is a really nice everyday ride, good and capable car which gets you where you need it. Ofc, nothing against supercar stuff per se but, everyday driving is about comfort, economy and ease of use.
Suggest you use a GPS device to overcome the squeamishness you mention about speed limits even when considering inaccurate speedometers. That will definitively prove whether you're under 70mph or not and enable you to get consistent tests.
Many forgot that modern diesel cars are much more cleaner than petrol ones, specialy in co2 measures. And also depends on local interests, here in Latvia we got 60% of cars on diesel and keep growing, mostly dictates that duesel is cheaper on gas station, more fuel efficiency and lives longer then petrol versions.
You can see in the video displaying Euro 6 specs, CO2 emissions for diesel are 50% lower compared to petrol but NOx emissions are 0.02g/km higher than petrol.
@gamtax I know as it is main factor of tax in our country. My idea was that ecofreaks are fighting against co2 and calling diesels main foes. Fun fact top 15 ships in the world produces more co2 then all cars together, but no one cares, we must ban cars with internal combustion engine
Allowing the freedom of billions of innovative and individual, individuals to resolve the issue is the best plan. No one single person operating in a vacuum can postulate the variety of solutions to complex problems. Identify and regulate the negative externalities, and allow the creativity of people to move towards ever more efficient solutions to the enormous variety of circumstances in which our machines must operate =)
Great video and interesting, I didn't know that you can cross your arms now, when I passed 35 years ago it was the 10-2 shuffle method and it's good you can go on the test to observe, the petrol and diesel ban is only on new car sales, used ones will still be about
People still say you need to pull and push the steering wheel today, I was taught this way also. But I don't remember when this was compulsory or if it was ever compulsory. Bare in mind, an instructor may say you have to do something, but it may just be an opinion.
I’ve got a Golf GTD with 184bhp. Feels fast enough through country roads and driven long distances (one reason I bought a diesel) it does 55mpg so I’ve been happy with it for the past few years
@@tardeliesmagic yes mines done 77k miles and I’d say the overall average is about 48mpg. Normal motorway trip using the adaptive cruise control some of the time and varying speeds a bit gets 55mpg. I’ve had like 67mpg before literally setting the ACC to 70mph and leaving it (in eco mode)
Really enjoying all your vids. I came across your channel when helping my youngest son pass his test which you where a great help in. And I as a driver of 35 years. Still find your driving tips very useful. 👍many thanks keep up the amazing work.
You are absolutely right on just banning something causing the technology to stop improving. Maybe the lessons learned trying to improve some engine technology can lead to improvements on some very different areas.
I buy and sell cars as a hobby. I had 2 citroens DS3, one was 1.2 turbo petrol, the other 1.6 hdi turbo diesel, both manual. Petrol was 35 mpg at it's best, diesel was 45+ mpg. Diesel has also more torque. But. If you only drive around town, I'd go for petrol but if you also do motorway and a lot of miles then diesel
Interesting video. I had not realised that Diesel sales had dropped from 50% of the market to 5%. The Petrol v Diesel test is basically what we expect, the Diesel wins. People seem to care less about economy, they will buy a tall SUV that uses around 5%-10% more fuel than an equivalent standard size car that is more aerodynamic. My take on it is that I need a big estate car. I do not drive much but do longer runs. My car of choice is a Mercedes E class with a 2 litre diesel. It is Euro 6 compliant and has very low emissions. I purposefully got one registered in the late 2016-early 2017 few months where you got the new model with this engine but before the tax rates change so it is still on £30 a year tax. I get well over 50mpg from it. It was quite high mileage when I bought it last year but my thought is that it is never going to wear out and I will just keep it going for as long as I drive (I am 63 now) or as long as I can buy Diesel. The point near the end regarding the whole impact of the car is a very good one. Making a car that lasts 30 years must be better than making one that only lasts 12 years or indeed buying an electric car that is worn out in 8 years and it is not viable to replace its battery.
I had a W210 (2002) and it was the worst car I ever had, was told by Mercedes tech that it’s the worst merc Mercedes have ever made. I have heard they have improved, wish you the best with it.
@@cw3728 Hi, I have been driving merc estates for years and around 2002 they did have a very bad period when the accountants got at the quality control. Over recent years I have had a 2014 C class and a 2016 E class both bought at around 80k miles. C was sold at 100k and E is on my drive on 97k. I had all the service history for both cars and neither have had any parts apart from normal service consumables and brake normal wear and new batteries. I bought cheaper high mileage cars in both cases. I think they got back on track with this model change. Also, if you are buying second hand, owners do not seem to thrash mercs like they do audis or bmws.
Fully agree with the ending talk after the comparison test. I went from having a £30 a year tax diesel to a similar size petrol car. I prefer driving my petrol in general. Although i did like getting 50mpg around town compared to about 38mpg in the petrol, motorway driving not as big a gap, around 60mpg to 51mpg but the petrol is more powerful and easier to accelerate and change lanes on the motorway in my petrol. Now the emissions are similar, previously petrols being slightly more CO2 (bad to environment) but lower NOx (bad to humans heath) which is the major reason for the opinion change to petrols again especially with ULEZ and daily charges being fully against pre euro 6 diesels. But yes i don't understand how having an electric car that requires twice the carbon footprint to build and uses precious metals being shipped halfway across the world just for zero emissions at tailpipe (not even considering possibility of using coal produced electricity to charge) is an overall gain over just keeping your current petrol car 🤔
Interesting I still run diesel as my daily car I generally get around 10mpg more in mixed driving but on a run I can easily out perform our newer petrol family car by 25-30mpg on a big trip that's a substantial cost saving on fuel. Also in my case the diesel is the more powerful/comfy car. The costs to buy a newer similar size/power/spec petrol or hybrid car to replace either of our vehicles is very expensive. I just think if everyone starts ditching and scrapping all these diesel cars prematurely that's also potentially damaging?
And here I am with my 20 year old Astra H with an 1.8 petrol engine and I struggle to go below (or above if using MPG) 7.5l/100km (37,6 imperial MPG) on a city/mixed cycle haha. Great vid.
Good honest video, attempting to show accurate fuel consumption, agreed manufacturer's computers do exaggerate. However the best method is fill tank, and run cars, then fill again see how much you have used over three fills. Add up mileage divide by amount of fuel purchased.
Very interesting! Just over a week ago, I changed my 10 yr old Skoda Octavia VRS TDi for a 3 yr old Corolla hybrid 2 litre. I bought the Skoda 7 yrs ago when I was commuting 35 miles on motorways, but now I travel only 6 miles to work, which the Corolla should be more suited for. On paper, they have the same bhp and 0-60 time, but the Skoda has more torque, but I'm thinking the Corolla will calm my driving style down! Over long distance motorway miles, the Skoda is probably more economical, but overall I'm hoping the Corolla will be equally or slightly better on fuel.
The corolla will have instant torque from the elecric motors whereas the diesel doesn't. Hybrids are way better than diesel in towns or cities as they pull away much quicker. They just struggle past 40mph as the battery boost starts to die down.
A lot of work went into this video good for you. I found it very interesting. Best wishes for your car sale it looked very nice actually. Thanks for posting 👍
From observing other people around me that drive diesel, I've come to the conclusion that everything you save on fuel with a diesel you pay for in bulk in more expensive repairs.
@@wakaflockaproject That's because they are Audi and VW, not because they are diesel. The maintenance costs of a diesel is not significantly different to a petrol if you are not deliberately driving them wrong (e.g. short trips only, never fully heated, etc.).
@@wakaflockaproject There is literally no difference between diesel and petrol cars other than the engine and emission-related components like DPFs vs catalytic converters. If you owned Audis and VWs, then you know why stuff around breaks and are expensive to repair, but that's equally true for petrol Audis and VWs, that's especially true for turbocharged DI engines that are designed to fail early. I wouldn't buy a diesel with SCR though, so that point is granted.
My preference are the diesels. The torque and power you get is much lower down in the rev band. Petrols produce most their HP at the higher rev range, usually aroond 4500 to 5000. For me, i simply dont cruise around at 5000 revs and so dont feel the power often. Despute the slower 0-60 my diesels always feel quicker due to the power you get low down
For that reason I find diesels smoother to drive, as they don't have to be worked as hard. It makes manoeuvring easier as well, you can use just the clutch to nudge the car back or forward.
My smax definitely overreads I drove from Sudbury to haverhill yesterday and averaged over 70 mpg. To be fair the fuel gauge didn't noticeably move over the trip there and back and I took back roads back which had a bit more spirited driving.
I passed today! I really have to thank you Richard for 1. Helping me become a better driver but also making me so interested in learning! I always learned something new or a different perspective on a manoeuvre every single video! It’s made me become a confident and safe driver! Thank you!
@@beamboy07 Yup, first attempt! It went really well and only got 2 minors, which I'm pleased about. The drive had me a little nervous as I went on a newer route I hadn't practiced.. but I was well prepared for all roads!
I do 89 miles for 4 days out of 8 i had a diseal at the moment and yes i fill it up once every 10 days. I currently had a 3 day test on toyota hybrid the fuel was the same as diseal
@@khalidacosta7133 I get about average of 63mpg on motorway in 'self charging hybrid' (regular) at roughly a consistent speed of 70, and around 76 - 84mpg in city driving.
Electric cars tend to have heavy batteries which make them significantly heavier than petrol and diesel cars. More mass means more energy spent on moving that mass. More energy means more emissions. EVs cannot deny basic physics. That aspect of EVs is often ignored for some reason.
I have experience of both Petrol & Diesel very recently and looked at the maths (I've stopped trusting anything the Telegraph claim) BMW X3 = 19k kg. Model Y = 19k kg. Model Y 3.8miles per kWh, BMW X3 2.8 kWh (converting petrol to kWh).
"Significantly" heavier? Range Rover = 2810 kg. Tesla Model S = 2250kg. A BMW 5 Series estate car weighs more than a Tesla Model 3...... It will not be long now before solid state battery technology arrives ( Ford and BMW have been trialling solid state for a while). And this will mean physically smaller, lighter battery packs with greater energy density (more range) and much quicker charging......
I agree 100% regarding you analysis of future development of all types of power sources. I personally upgraded from a Citroën C3 petrol to a used Citroën C4 Hdi. Apart from reducing CO2 from my tailpipe I also help reducing the amount of fuel distributed throughout the country which is done by diesel trucks. Also, I can choose to use HVO100 and reduce my CO2 footprint even further. Like your videos a lot, thanks.
Totally agree that the production of the car along with it's fuel and it's transportation needs to be a factor in emissions levels. The problem is people don't factor the same things in with petrol and diesel cars either. As soon as you take in to account the emissions involved with extracting fossil fuels, refining them to petrol or diesel and then shipping it half way around the world to be burned in our cars it has absolutely no chance at all of competing with EV emissions even if they charged using the dirtiest power available.
Indeed. The all-in costs are certainly higher to produce an EV, but not as much higher as to significantly offset the savings, assuming all of your energy to recharge the car comes from renewable sources.
well, most of the people who advocate on not doing a total ban, resort to incredibly detailed and hopeful mental gymnastics in order to justify the continuation of the vroom-vroom noise for which they care about more than the lives of their grandchildren
What about EV battery swap? Not advocating either side but surely 90% of batteries won't last past 10 years (at least I havent seen properly used laptop, phone, power tools, scooters or any other type of vehicle with decent battery after such a long time). Replacing engine or any metal parts won't add much damage to the environment while producing EV battery takes large portion of the total costs, which means overall emissions skyrocket again. Yes, that battery may do 500k before dying but how many cars actually do that kind of milage? 1% of total production? Just thinking out loud :)
@@kg9799 It's a fair concern. It's more usage than age that causes a battery to fail (or more accurately, charging and discharging, which amounts to the same thing in practice). I think an EV that was capable of 500,000 miles in 10 years would be able to achieve 100,000 in 15-20. Not a linear improvement, but an improvement nonetheless. You're right though - in some respects this latest version of EVs are simply too new to the market to have any strong evidence for their longevity.
@@kg9799 That's a legitimate concern however EV batteries are not the same as those used in power tools, phones and laptops. Current EV batteries are expected to last 15-20 years or up to 200,000 miles before degradation reaches a level that may require them to be replaced. Even when they are replaced these old batteries will then go on to be used in other applications for many years prior to being recycled many years later. Reuters say that in the USA a Tesla would have to drive on average 13,500 miles before it's doing less harm to the environment than a similar sized gas car. So based on that my simple maths says that at 100,000 miles the Tesla could have had seven new batteries (even though it doesn't need them) and still have less carbon emissions than the gas car.
Congratulations on the new car! Toyota hybrids are great, and it is all my family buys now. The best tank in the 2021 Camry Hybrid that we have is 57 US MPG (68 imperial, 4.12 L/100km) and it has averaged 50.2 US MPG (60.2 imperial, 4.68 L/100km) since new. I'm sure the Corolla Hybrid will do even better than that!
A corolla hybrid also makes a lot more sense than the Citroen if an automatic transmission is a must. A CVT is MUCH nicer to drive than an automated manual
I love the torque a diesel has at low revs. Driving 130kph on the highway at around 2000rpm with plenty of torque is just so relaxing on long journeys. My dads petrol has a bit more torque, but it just sounds like the engine works a bit harder all the time. Glad I got to experience a diesel just before they will be gone forever.
You can still buy one for the next 7 years and use it for another 15 or so. Diesel fuel will be available till 2050 easily as trucks will still ise them
39:41 as that happened, we have VAG liying about emissions, PSA and Renault also being prosecuted in France for fraudulent strategies and cheating in diesel emissions test.
It's definitely a travesty that so many countries are moving forward with the total ban on all combustion vehicles because so many avenues and technologies are completely unexplored. Only recently the US started developing some opposed piston diesel engines which should sport *crazy* high thermal efficiency, though it would take a while before this is introduced into the consumer market. Even for petrol there have been major development efforts from Mazda with their Skyactiv-X engine, or Toyota with the Dynamic Power line.
You could have all the thermal efficiency you liked, but the facts remain that pollution at street level in our towns and cities is at it's highest ever levels. And of course one day, oil will run dry.....
@@Brian-om2hh That's fair but consider that many nations have failed across the board to provide clean or sustainable energy in their countries and it will take ages to rectify, with some like Germany regressing and going back to the insanely inefficient and horrifyingly polluting coal power. Even if we made the switch to EVs right away, and even if the grid was good enough to endure the increased demand to charge the cars, we would still not be better off in terms of pollution. In fact, we would probably end up creating more pollution due to just how old some of the restarted plants are. Also Oil is not the only source of fuel cars can use, we can use Ethanol instead of Petrol and we can create Biodiesel. The technology for producing Biodiesel is not mature yet and Ethanol is still difficult to scale for automotive purposes, but these are workable issues.
I have the previous generation Citroën C4, same 1.6L diesel with the robotised gearbox but it doen't have the stop-start system, interestingly the steering in mine is very direct (my wife complains it's too heavy as though there is no power assist), also the suspension is quite stiff too, so you'd probably find it more enjoyable to drive, the around town consumption I get is quite similar to what you got on this test, but on longer highway run's I regularly get it's claimed 3.8L/100km and even had 3.6L/100km on some longer trips. Part of the issue for you being in the UK you don't have the space to do a long highway drive, I'm in Queensland (Australia) where it can often be over 100km between towns so the potential 1500km from the tank is quite useful (I usually fill up around 1300 - 1400km), the other difference is my Aircon probably has to work harder, I usually leave it set to 22°C and on auto (let it decide how fast to spin the fans) but when the temps are over 35°C outside I'll set it to 24°C so it doesn't work so hard and there is less of a temp shock when I get out of the car, likewise I'll set it to 20 if the outside temp is under 10°C. I've had the car from new and found the thing that mad the biggest difference to fuel consumption over the last 15 years was tyre changes, It came with Michelin XM tyres, I went to Michelin XM2 tyres and got about 10% improvement in fuel consumption, then after 2 sets of Michelin XM2's last time I got Michelin Primacy 3 tyres because the XM's weren't available these are giving me about 5% worse fuel consumption than the XM2's but still better than the XM's, Conclusion tyres do make a difference to fuel consumption.
@@Jack-lo1uc but it probably wont all be above 100km/h and you'll pass a lot more towns have more traffic and cross more borders (I can drive twice that without leaving my state)
If you drive just in town buy a petrol car. If you drive long miles buy a diesel car. I've done 3800 miles with 5 and half tank of diesel ( 3 adults 1 child + boot was full )
You are absolutely right, government thinking has become very blinkered. We need a more outcome based approach as you say, otherwise we stifle innovation.
The government, ever since the coalition, has been a shambles. The book "A Decade in Tory" is a good read and shows what a bunch of no hopers the Conservatives are. They've messed everything up, from IT contracts, to missed deadlines like smart meter rollout. EV rollout will be the next missed deadline, but they'll pat themselves on the back nonetheless.
Ex. engineer here. After a lot of research my latest car is a 2013 Peugeot Hybrid Diesel. Why? We live in the sticks, I visit rural properties for my job, and occasional 4wd is needed, the electric motor drives the back wheels, the diesel the front. Fuel economy is 4.5l per 100Km, 85gm CO2/Km = low emissions, and I have no range or charger availability anxieties or long refuel times. Its not pristine, a bit boring but it is comfortable, inexpensive and reliable. My driving pattern is too irregular for electric in my opinion. Also I always let someone else take the big depreciation hit, seems sensible to me!
Then you have to think about the ethanol content in the fuel, because the ethanol content lowers the amount of energy. for ethanol has a significantly lower amount of energy
It's easy to buy ethanol-free fuel in the south east of 🏴, though it always bears the "E5" label. However, a memo from ESSO suggests everywhere will shift toward biofuel in the coming months, so there'll probably be at least 2½% ethanol in the "E5". "E10" in the UK generally contains between 5 and 7½% ethanol at present.
I don't think they will get rid of internal combustion engines entirely. The infrastructure isn't there yet and petrol and diesel cars are just too good, cheap, and reliable.
I do, particularly in mainland Europe. Euro 7 emissions laws are set to arrive in 2025, and these will effectively kill off any new ICE engine development. Quite a few car makers have already stated it will be too costly and too technically challenging to get new ICE designs through Euro 7......
I study Mechanical & Aeronautical engineering and the whole topic of banning fossil fuels is very intriguing. The most notable thing about this topic is that whenever we discuss it with our university professors, they bang their heads on the wall. Their main argument is that you simply can't ban a technology that has been existent and has evolved massively for over a century. The engine combustion technology has improved significantly over the past decades and with proper regulation it could keep getting greener at the same rate. Add synthetic fuels and hydrogen to the mix and combustion could really have a place in the future of mobility. That's not to say that battery electric cars are bad, but they're not as good as the average person thinks they are, especially when you consider socioeconomic factors and long-term rare metal reserves. In order for transportation to become greener and hit its emissions targets, we need a mix of all the types of energy I mentioned above, as long as we keep improving on them. Even Battery electric cars could become greener, but from what I know, there's currently no regulation forcing them to do so. The key thing is that regulations, have the unrestricted power to shape the future, and only with the proper policies, not bans, we'll be able to hit our emissions objectives. "Force" engineers to improve on a technology and I'm almost certain that they'll find a solution.
If we truly care about the environment the goal should be to reduce usage of cars as a whole, electric and non-electric. Public transport being used by everyone should be the target.
@@TheUwaisPatel You're absolutely right. Public transport and alternative modes of transportation in general should have an increasing share in the pie chart. However we should bear in mind that it too has its limits that we should try to improve
You don't need to study anything to understand the basics. If you want to reduce emissions, you have to use the tech we have available today. Not some esoteric battery that might never work or somehow improve the electricity infrastructure (because charging 5 80kwh battery packs in 10 minutes.. yeah good luck with that). Public transport system is available today, at a much lower carbon price, that reduces road traffic levels. We also need to decarbonise the electric grid...but no plans on that. So do you think the government is doing it for the publics interest or the interest of their friends in the finance world who would rather you pay interest on a car worth £80k, rather than £40k?
The most environmentally friendly option is to keep old cars on the road as long as possible. The manufacturing of a new car will emit more emissions and use up more resources.
cant go wrong with a diesel. and its only really londons silly ulez thats the problem (and i think birmingham) all the other low emissions zone atm excludse personal vehicles (or most personal vehicles except the most excessive engines ) . and ill be running mine till it falls appart cus god knows whats going on with new cars but I get the feeling my TDI golf will out last them, needing fewer repairs.
I agree. These blanket bans of production of ICE cars, that some countries are comitting to, don't seem to be very wise because technologies are constantly improving. Focusing on electric vehicles as a sole solution may cause us to overlook long term effects on the environment, car market and even infrastructure, since EVs tend to be heavier and thus destroy roads quicker. I think people need to be given options. The more options there are the more technologies are being developed at the same time, so to speak. This way we will be able to create cleaner vehicles sooner. Great video, as always!
i go to prison before i give up mine, next car 75% change going back to diesel and plans to maintain it very well and do me for the next 20-30 years plus. we already done our part no more is needed for this fraud roads never been so clean, even my school years 20 years plus ago the morning coal fires . look at other places around the world. in china a new government order to retire forests make way for farmland. way over 90% people i know they sticking with ICE.
@@ConquerDriving I've always loved the quirkiness of Citroens and somehow love the Pre facelift C4 Picasso. Lol. Yes I think Toyota makes some of the most comfortable seats in the industry. I once rented a normal Corolla and drove 1400kms and my back wasn't even sore which it usually is in most other cars.
On the point of no new combustion cars by 2030. I dont know if that will go through honestly. I personally dont believe we will have the tech required for electric vehicles in just 7 years. While youll still be able to buy cars made before 2030, itll definitely be an issue overall if the tech isnt ready. No ones hoing to buy electric cars anyway if they dont have enough range.
Not a chance, electricity grid can't cope with it and people won't want to wait 30 minutes to get a charge at a service station. (To charge 4 BEV's under 10 minutes, even if the battery tech is available to do that, would require an electricity substation....)
@@khalidacosta7133 also, need to think about infrastructure changes too. right now at service stations and petrol stations, we have something like 8 pumps. this supports up to 8 cars at once. even if we had 8 charging points for 8 cars, since cars will have lower range, more cars would be stopping at service points. So youd get bigger jams of cars waiting to charge up because it takes longer to charge 1 car, than it does to get lots of cars through the station.
@@grenvallion Most service stations have decent sized car parks... It's not the most sound argument, especially with the range of cars, most don't need to use service stations. If you take say 100 cars to charge at the same time, that would require it's own substation. Europes largest charging station, is in Oxford. A whopping 42 cars at once.. out of a space of 500 cars but it required it's own substation connected to the national grid... that's the main issue. A 19MW substation costs around £2 million to build, that can charge 126 cars at 100kw each which would take half an hour. Therein lies the problem... if you double the charge rate, you halve the time... and amount of cars that can charge at once.
@khalidacosta7133 exactly. You need much more space to build multiple car parks that can have a lot of cars in them. And yes, it would be expensive. It wouldn't be worth it. We've got 7 years to improve the tech. Charge time needs to come down to maybe 5 minutes or less, and the range needs to go up dramatically.
Part of the problem was diesels are not really suited to short urban journeys (take longer to reach optimum working temperature, particulate pollution in highly congested areas, DPF problems) even though the government encouraged everyone to have them. I can see electric cars going in a similar direction, whereby everyone is encouraged to have them only to find out later they are not as environmentally friendly as first thought. Also, the impact of installing the charging network never seems to get mentioned. The huge lengths of trenching and associated reinstatement's laying cables will cause emissions and use resources up.
I just hope when 2030 comes, electric cars will be just as cheap as the patrol/diesel cars now (after inflation adjustments), charging is as fast as filling a tank at pumps, chargers are available as easy as pumps, ranges are similar to patrol/diesel cars. May be i am dreaming but who knows.
everything you said applies only to your country. There are only like 16 chargers in my entire country and they are old weak ones not the fast ones. I live in the largest city and the closest chargers is 30Km away and the next one is 80Km away
_"charging is as fast as filling a tank at pumps"_ The benefit of electric cars is that you can charge them at home at night, and you don't have to stop at a charging station, unless your trip is really long. Instead of focusing on charge times, I think a more important thing would be focusing on range. But once you can drive 500km on a single charge, that's already enough for pretty much all purposes. I mean, few people will drive 500km without stopping. (And I don't think it will take that long until 500km range becomes a standard feature. The average EV range has more than doubled in the last 10 years, and it's already over 350km.) Electric car charging doesn't really work the same way as filling up your gas tank. With ICE cars, you tend to fill the tank from almost empty to completely full. But this is not how it works with electric cars. Instead of waiting for it to charge from almost empty to completely full battery, you plug in the charger every time you stop. This means, most of the time your battery will be at around 40-70%. You really don't need to go from empty to full on an electric car. And quick charging is already pretty fast. I just don't think there's really a need for it to be as fast as pumping gas (from empty to full tank). People simply need to approach it with a different mindset (you don't charge it only when you need to - instead, you charge it every time you stop). Chargers should actually be more easily available than gas pumps. Every parking lot should have chargers. There would be no longer a need for separate "gas stations". If you can't charge at home, electric cars make little sense. I think at the moment the price of electric cars is their biggest downside.
@@MaggaraMarine Charging at home at night won't work for people living in apartment blocks in urban areas. Have you ever been on a road trip during vacation time? Queues on gas stations can be enormous. Imagine that not only every one would need to take more time "tankink up" but also as you said people would charge just because they are stopping. The scalability of this approach seems impossible
I think what's really happening is affordable cars are becoming too expensive to produce due to legislation which means manufacturers are starting to discontinue them. Petrol cars may becomes more expensive as apposed to electric cars getting much cheaper.
I'm on my 4th add blue malfunction. My old vehicle got too 207k with no issues. It was a 2 week wait at ford to get it in to be looked at meanwhile it won't start because the add blue system prevents it from starting.
@@jackjoyce1744 100% right. Have an EV in my household so not longing for aulds lang syne, but it really is going to be a problem. This laser focus on EV's and to hell with all others seems like another diesel push. Like everything diversification is probably more safe. Thats why I liked richard's take on refining petrol and diesel instead of a complete ban which is supposedly going to happen (I have my doubts..)
People *DIDN'T* stop buying diesels, manufacturers stopped making them... The ones that still do enjoy success with them AND used prices still hold stronger than petrol's!
@@sam512 *because the government and local authorities started levying against them actually! Look at the sales pre-emission zone cash cows - Flying off the shelves AND used prices support this, in higher demand compared to equivalent petrol models...
Just a fun fact; 06:50 we used to measure fuel economy in Liters per Mil (pronounced kind of like meal, but not pronouning the a). A "Mil" Norwegian Mil is 10km. Why did we do that? I have no idea😅
The range anxiety will come as we draw nearer to 2030 and particularly beyond it. Shell stated in their last business report that they plan to cut the production of petrol and diesel by 40% on the lead up to 2030. Shell were one of the organisations who lobbied the UK Government to bring *forward* the ban on the sale of new ICE cars and vans to 2030, from 2035. The National Grid were another......
Good comparison, but may of been good to add the cost of fuel in the comparison as diesel tends to be dearer than petrol certainly for your UK viewers.
Will you do a video about filling up at Petrol Stations? What to do/not to do, can you overfill a tank, can it leak fuel out of the car? Do you have to know tank capcity of your car to figure out when to stop filling to get a full tank? Does ice affect it? Costs? Economy? Danger (can mobile phone ignite petrol?), what are the meanings of the different types of fuel you can get there?
A promise of a ban is the easiest way for a government to say they're commiting to climate goals *without actually needing to do anything*.
They are making committments that other people have to deliver and apparently expect some kind of credit. The regulatory focus on tailpipe CO2 is an example of the "paperclip maximiser" mentality which often afflicts technocrats.
@@jamescaley9942 exactly. Riding the bus or a bicycle instead of c-class ...thats for you. Zoom call versus a jet for whole delegation to some country with all inclusive hotel ☺ thats for us
It doesn't really matter what the UK chooses, it's only a relatively small market to sell cars into (~2% of global new car sales). No car manufacturers are basing their development plans on a single country.
European countries are largely treated as a market grouping with similar tastes and requirements, so realistically the UK has to fit into the wider area plans.
Potentially Japanese manufacturers could continue to supply hybrid vehicles (2035 hybrid sales only in JP), but they tend to develop European specific vehicles or variants. South Korea also has a 2035 ICE ban target.
UK doesn't source many vehicles from China, India or US sources, but they are all also pointing towards (in their own internal complex ways) ICE vehicle sales restrictions in the next ~20 years.
People that buy into this are just stupid
Right! LNG is much purer fuel. No one talks about small turbo engines on LNG. You can have 70-80bhp easily from a 900cc single turbo engine, with miserable emissions, which is the most of cars specs in traffic...
I 100% agree with you about letting engineers find creative ways to achieve the goal rather than blindly dictating the path 👍
Yes, I agree but don't forget to factor in the political benefit derived by a politician who appears to be doing the "right" thing.
@@Monaleenian a politician who appears to be doing the "right" thing can also be very dangerous, Mao and Hitler were both making the appearance of doing the "right" thing....
letting the engineers finding creative ways costs money and companies don't want that. they want to spend as little money as possible to achieve the target. so, if there will be no target anymore, companies that do r&d for engines will...stay with what they have until they will get new targets. So new emission targets are a necessary evil.
And that's how engineers find creative ways haha. To reduce cost but achieve goal@@vladmihai306
Richard, Engineer here! What you talked about with regards to looking at the whole lifecycle is exactly what we are taught about (we call it lifecycle analysis) and what the government continually fails to consider. We need a “cradle to grave” approach to considering our emissions from vehicles, not just its operating lifetime. Love your videos by the way 👍
I did the cradle to grave emissions (CO2)... the BEV would need to be driven around 130k before it would reach parity with a standard ICE car. It's why I have stated to save the environment, we need to stop unnecessarily scrapping perfectly good working vehicles, decarbonise the electricity grid to start with and implement mass public transportation systems.
BEV's are terrible for the environment due to the PM that is emitted from the road surface/tyres/brakes. It's easy to point out there are no emissions in the UK when we are just exporting the pollution to third world countries who have to mine the lithium / cobalt etc.
Precisely and this is a more technical way I think to describe what Rowan Atkinson was alluding to in why electric vehicles offer some advantages but it's not the haven to our problems.
@@khalidacosta7133 130k miles is not unachievable, though I suspect many won't get anywhere near that before getting rid of the car (or before the batteries fail).
It also depends on how you've calculated the energy mix for recharging - if you've based it on the current energy mix in the UK, it's probably overestimating the mileage required for parity versus where the energy sector is heading in future alongside the 2030 target for the banning of the sale of ICE vehicles.
Completely agree, however, that leagues ahead of either option is just keeping your existing car until it stops working, rather than buying a new one every few years.
I have to agree and can't wait to see a calculation that also includes the emissions of extracting, processing and delivering of petrol. It would also be good to understand what can be recycled from a used electric car? I wish you could recycle Petrol after it has been burnt.
@@khalidacosta7133I wish the petrol companies were trying to remove cobalt from the refining process
Reality is that making a new car has a HUGE footprint in emissions. Keeping an older and well maintained car, untill it really needs replacement is often the best way to keep pollution low.
Who gives a shit. The whole emissions and CO2 narrative is bollocks from top to bottom and is there for an entirely different agenda that doesn't involve you travelling anywhere.
Also, having a small, economical car helps a lot. Our obsession with SUV-sized cars is particularly profligate
80% of emissions from a car come from driving it, 20% from manufacturing
spot on i have heard figures as high as 80 % of emissions due to new builds ,makes sense mining emissions processing more emissions shipping more emissions ,better off running a v8 5litre till it dies
figures wrong way round read my quote@@Trisbooger
I passed my driving test in March this year but I still occasionally come here to watch Richard's videos just because of how fun he is in explaining things.
same, even tho I passed my license on first try 4 years ago :P Kind of nice seeing how its done in other countries. Most confusing shock for me was how often you use the e-brake for example
very true!
Richard, I know you get these comments all the time, but I passed my test with 2 minors today and couldn't have done it without you! The insight you give is second to none, and the catalogue of videos you've made over the past few years have changed countless lives in a brilliant way.
After starting my driving journey in 2021, I just couldn't get the hang of roundabouts, mirrors or meeting situations. When I watched your videos, my understanding and confidence grew hugely. Then, when I had to leave my driving instructor and only had private practice in my dad's car for more than a year, your instructor's insight became even more vital (not least through Collingwood insurance :)! Your videos are also very entertaining, which makes learning to drive way more fun and relaxing.
I never received any mock test. Despite this, I really felt ready to pass as I reversed into the parking bay for my first actual test. It was only then that the examiner walked out, and informed us that the rear reversing light was out, and he couldn't take me on test. This was despite us meticulously checking all the lights the night before. A week before the next test, the car broke down, and we had to re-schedule for 4 months down the line. With the life of the car in doubt, I could've given up, but watching your content and seeing your passion for cars encouraged me to persist, and re-book again.
A car is not just a machine; if kept for a while, a car can almost become part of the family. My dad's Ford Focus was bought in 2005, after it had a very short stint as a company car for the Ford showroom. I remember being driven around in it when I was little, and today, 18 years after it became part of my life, I passed my driving test in it. Yes; it has had a new clutch, new brakes and a new alternator (all of which were faults that only developed after I started driving it), but it's still 'The Focus'. We joked when we stood on the side of the motorway, with a dead battery, a few days before my test was due: "It's like it knows."
As you get to know it, a car can show its personality. You grow together, go on adventures and make ever-lasting memories. Being able to drive brings about so many opportunities, acting as a gateway to new careers and life experiences. To drive on an open road is perhaps the greatest freedom a person can experience, and it is a freedom granted by a mutual understanding of the Highway Code. Somewhat paradoxically, knowing and obeying such a thick rulebook only increases the freedom felt. I know I can drive safely, and in that knowledge, I know I can drive with a smile on my face.
If you are reading this, and you think that this can never be you, then you must remember that you are always getting better. Each time you make a mistake, you can learn from it. Even if you had a bad drive, you can always look back and find out why it happened and where you went wrong. Two days before today, my dad and I went for a drive in the evening, and I had a terrible session. I forgot which way to give way at a mini-roundabout, and then I pulled off unsafely at a bigger roundabout. My dad had to shout "STOP!!" (we don't have dual controls); yet we went over it, and today I passed. Don't let mistakes drag you down and knock your confidence, you can do it!
The ability to drive a car is a gift. That is the gift that you give to all of us, Richard. Your meticulous love of cars and stats is a joy and an inspiration. Thank you, and please, never stop doing what you love.
-Michael
Brilliant comment michael and well done 👍
Congratulations to your license!
Regarding the part about the car becoming a family member it is 100% accurate, me and my wife talks about and to the car as a family member, even our daughter does.
My daughter thanks the car every day for being nice and always bringing her home😂.
Wifey has a strict code that we dont talk bad about the car when the car can hear us.
Wherever we go, our loyal family member comes with us.
One thing I like about diesels is that you can get one with quite a lot of power while still being economical, for example, a 330d vs the petrol variant, especially if you do a lot of motorway miles like myself
It is different in different cars, for example 3.0 diesel vs petrol on new toureg got same fuel eff in long testings, but petrol of course much comfortable to drive
@@taxrinno, diesel is much more energy dense. what backyard Science have you been following ?
The BMW B58 is as efficient as a diesel
@@dragospahontu here we got another case then, I dont know much about bmw engines, not in sect
@@dragospahontu well Diesel is already more energy dense than gasoline and While I dont know the exact thermal efficency of the b58 (probably a trade secret) it would be impossible for it to match an equivalent Diesel engine, it would be even more impossible for it to exceed its thermal efficency to the point of getting more energy out of (the less energy dense) gasoline Then an equivalent Diesel engine would out of Diesel
the fact that you display 4 measures of fuel usage is very smart and more car content creators should do that
In Denmark it's very clear. Absurd taxation on diesel cars.
I own an older toyota yaris diesel. Very good engine. Easily get 4.2L/100km.
When i replace my car, it's going to be petrol. The amount of litres I can buy with the taxes I'm paying for this is absurd.
Yaris hybrid easily gets 4.2l too (despite petrol containing less energy)
combined or highway? my 1.5L mx5 sports-convertible gets 4.5l/100km on the highway quite easily, 6.5l/100km on my incredibly short 6km one way city commutes
@@Mgoblagulkablong not on a highway though, because the electric motor is not powerful enough for high speeds.
Hi Richard, I've got my license but unfortunately soon after earning it, I scratched another car while parking (thankfully insurance covered everything) and became very anxious about having my car anywhere close to other cars. Your videos help me get my driving-related anxieties under control, thank you for making them!
I'm sorry to hear that. I'm happy to hear the videos are helping though.
I agree, the same perspective on emissions and electric cars was in one of the latest episodes of Lex Fridman podcast. It is the developed countries that only look at their backyard and try to please themselves that they help the climate. In reality, no one of them wants a de-appreciation of the value of their houses by having wind turbines or solar panels farms beside their properties. No one wants to produce toxic chemicals for batteries in their developed countries but prefers to outsource this to third-world poor countries so they to deal with these issues.
Weird comparison. Homeowners cry me a river. Houses aren’t an investment they are for living in.
>It is the developed countries that only look at their backyard and try to please themselves that they help the climate
Yeah oil extraction in oil rich countries looks like rainbows and butterflies. Fracking also has zero downsides too.
>In reality, no one of them wants a de-appreciation of the value of their houses by having wind turbines or solar panels farms beside their properties
Wind farms are already very common across large swathes of the US. Farmers get paid for their land use and the power companies get the electricity. Win-win.
>No one wants to produce toxic chemicals for batteries in their developed countries but prefers to outsource this to third-world poor countries so they to deal with these issues.
A BEV only needs a few dozen pounds of these very hard to mine minerals for the entire life cycle of the car. While every time you fill up your car, hundreds of pounds of hard to mine materials go in.
And before you say I'm an EV shill, I own a V8 car and a gas motorcycle. Not exactly a Tesla fanboy.
@@adamek9750 Would you be happy if you paid £200k and then a few years later, when you needed to move into a bigger house to live, was only paid £100k?
Exactly electric cars are not the solution
Why do people still believe that co2 is a baddie? It’s the staff of life for all our plants and we need plant life to produce the oxygen we use to survive. The amounts of co2 in the atmosphere is minuscule and levels have been much higher in the history of the planet. Climate change is a business to make money for the super rich folk and there is no proof that humans can do anything to change the climate. Adhering to the net zero nonsense however is destroying our economy and rapidly making the masses poorer whilst increasing the wealth of the super rich massively. Look at the profits of Shell and BP as an example.
Just passed my driving test today with 3 minors. Your videos have been so helpful throughout the process. Would recommend anyone to watch your channel who is learning. 🎉🎉
That's great news! Thank you for watching and congratulations on passing!
I have a 2008 Mondeo 2.0 Turbo Diesel - averaging 43.3 mpg with short-medium length trips. It won't be as economical as smaller-engined cars or more modern engines but I absolutely love it to bits. Prior to owning it, I'd never driven a turbo (anything) and I'm still blown away by how fast it is. It's a handsome brute too!
Is that the titanium x ?
Nope, just the Titanium :/ Still nice though, and current MPG is 44.3 xD @@Harryd06
Haven't ever encountered such a meticulous economy test! And yet it was enjoyable too !
What you said at the end was mind-blowing. 100% agree, didn't even think about it this way, but you're right. Let there be a fight between the technologies, let win the better one for its goal.
I passed my test last month but I still enjoy watching your videos! Even after getting my driving license you’re still very educational and I’ve learnt a lot from you!
The way you explained the whole 2030 ban in such a way that suggests engineers are being limited to what they can create and experiment with was absolutely brilliant. It's like only teaching a kid that 2+2=4, instead of teaching many other methods that also lead to the same result, like 2x2=4. Love the content! :D
its also absurd lmao, there's constant R&D going on in the field
I passed my Dutch driving test two weeks ago! I learned a lot about using the clutch and other parts of driving from your videos. So thanks a lot!
I bought a C4, a 2013 1.6 hdi, initially I hated it, like you the steering felt vague. Over time I grew to love it’s smoothness and comfort, and of course it’s economy, regularly getting in the mid 60’s from a gallon. I exchanged it for a 2013 Fiesta Titanium X. What a complete load of rubbish, biggest regret of my life. I now have a Renault Megane 1.6 diesel and I love it. French cars every time now for me. Great video btw.
I was thinking yesterday I wanted to find a video on the differences between diesel and petrol ownership. The next day, my favourite car TH-cam channel posts a video on the topic! Thanks!
No big surprise here.
Diesel cars are cleaner than ever and still make sense financially when doing a lot of motorway driving, but if it goes wrong, the repair bills of diesel fuel system can wipe out potential savings.
Also not so suitable for urban and short distance driving as dpf doesn't get a chance to get hot enough to burn out accumulated soot.
Good video and insight.
Modern petrol fuel systems are as complacated
The have particulate filters now also
@FoookOff yes they do have GPFs but they run hotter and produce less soot so are less prone to clogging up, unlike diesels.
I got 1.8 tdci engine in my 09 plate Focus without dpf and pussy driving gives me 64mpg, normal driving drops it to 50mpg.
When I had Mk2 Ka with 1.2 petrol which claims excellent mpg on paper like 50+, even driving like a granny never gave me more than 55mpg, and driving it 70mph would drop it to 45mpg.
Both cars had full service etc
I wish I was driving something more environmentally friendly but with prices these days I think my Focus will have to last me at least few more years!!
I heard petrol cars will be equipped with PPF too. Not sure if it's true or not. But if it is, sounds like petrol cars need to have long run once in a while to clean the filter.
@@gamtax they call them GPF - GASOLINE PARTICULATE FILTER and there are cars that already have them. They will probably need a good run once in a while but because petrol engine runs hotter and makes less soot they should give less trouble than DPFs.
Can't imagine driving an ICE car again, only got EVs the last 9 years. Piston engines are so far away now, its like going into a museum and seeing a steam engine. Worked 35 years before on my own ICE cars, I am so glad that this is over.
Hi Richard, love your videos, which have helped me not only pass my exam but also look like a pro when purchasing my used car.
I was wondering if you would consider doing videos for new drivers? Things like what to do at a petrol pump, validating parking, parking restriction signs, speed limit on motorways, checking tire pressure, driving in snow, etc?? These are just off the top of my head, wondering if you would consider??
Thanks mate! :)
Thank you. I have videos that cover some of those topics. But I may do something in the future.
I am driving Renault Megane 2 .2003 1.5 dci. Mixed fuel consumption on 5000km is 3,7L /100km.Why should I buy another new car? Not a chance.... Regular maintenance and it can serve me another 10 years. I am driving car - car is not driving my wallet. Cheers.
I'm very interested in the carbon neutral synthetic fuel Porsche has been working on. If they can get the cost comparable with traditional fuel that'd be an extremely desirable solution.
Good day, Richard! I've been learning to drive for the whole duration of my summer and you've been great help. You indeed leave up to the channel's name.
I have the 2014 C4 1.6 diesel. I measure fuel consumption by filling the tank and noting distance travelled.
In 7 years of mixed driving, not much on motorways, overall it has averaged 52.2mpg (INDICATED 56MPG). Max, after a 220 mile run from Sheffield to South Wales (non-motorway) it achieved 60mpg against an indicated 64.8mpg.
The C4 is comfortable, reliable, economical and I'm loath to change it unless it's for another diesel.
A note about the over-estimate of the indicated mpg; the percentage difference is never constant. the error ranges between +18% to -10% over 160 tank fills (73000 miles)
So after 30 years I've decided to learn how to drive and this channel was very recommended. Nice to meet you mr, thank you for making your concent
the petrol and diesel ban part of this video needs to go viral, honestly couldn't have said it better myself.
Quoting fuel economy in all units. Subscribed, you’re a gem!
Your videos are amazing! Thanks for taking your time to do them :) it’s amazing how different types of fuel make difference
This video is the absolute peak in quality of this channel. This is the most complete and detailed reporting i saw ever!
Great and informative video. Fantastic job with this one, I happen to have enjoyed the rant at the end, very insightful.
Good material as always.
The issue with diesels is that the clog up in city riding or short drives, so the real life emissions are way worse for many cars.
But if properly maintained and driven, the diesels are not bad.
Beautifull stuff! Dead tired of idiotic supercar tests, Doug Demuros and handling mumbo jumbos, actually, that C4 is a really nice everyday ride, good and capable car which gets you where you need it. Ofc, nothing against supercar stuff per se but, everyday driving is about comfort, economy and ease of use.
Suggest you use a GPS device to overcome the squeamishness you mention about speed limits even when considering inaccurate speedometers. That will definitively prove whether you're under 70mph or not and enable you to get consistent tests.
Many forgot that modern diesel cars are much more cleaner than petrol ones, specialy in co2 measures. And also depends on local interests, here in Latvia we got 60% of cars on diesel and keep growing, mostly dictates that duesel is cheaper on gas station, more fuel efficiency and lives longer then petrol versions.
You can see in the video displaying Euro 6 specs, CO2 emissions for diesel are 50% lower compared to petrol but NOx emissions are 0.02g/km higher than petrol.
@gamtax I know as it is main factor of tax in our country. My idea was that ecofreaks are fighting against co2 and calling diesels main foes. Fun fact top 15 ships in the world produces more co2 then all cars together, but no one cares, we must ban cars with internal combustion engine
Allowing the freedom of billions of innovative and individual, individuals to resolve the issue is the best plan. No one single person operating in a vacuum can postulate the variety of solutions to complex problems. Identify and regulate the negative externalities, and allow the creativity of people to move towards ever more efficient solutions to the enormous variety of circumstances in which our machines must operate =)
Great video and interesting, I didn't know that you can cross your arms now, when I passed 35 years ago it was the 10-2 shuffle method and it's good you can go on the test to observe, the petrol and diesel ban is only on new car sales, used ones will still be about
People still say you need to pull and push the steering wheel today, I was taught this way also. But I don't remember when this was compulsory or if it was ever compulsory. Bare in mind, an instructor may say you have to do something, but it may just be an opinion.
The corolla hybrid is a really nice car and is deceptively large on the inside. Oh. And a massive boot. I plan on getting one later on this year.
I’ve got a Golf GTD with 184bhp. Feels fast enough through country roads and driven long distances (one reason I bought a diesel) it does 55mpg so I’ve been happy with it for the past few years
55 on motorway?
@@tardeliesmagic yes mines done 77k miles and I’d say the overall average is about 48mpg. Normal motorway trip using the adaptive cruise control some of the time and varying speeds a bit gets 55mpg. I’ve had like 67mpg before literally setting the ACC to 70mph and leaving it (in eco mode)
@@jonathanprescott5292 I've got the Leon FR equivalent and I get about the same, I've seen low 60's on a run but average high 40's.
@adamspencer95
I have the same, 184bhp 2.0 mine averages 50MPG over a tank of fuel and I have a tuning box fitted.
Really enjoying all your vids. I came across your channel when helping my youngest son pass his test which you where a great help in. And I as a driver of 35 years. Still find your driving tips very useful. 👍many thanks keep up the amazing work.
You are absolutely right on just banning something causing the technology to stop improving. Maybe the lessons learned trying to improve some engine technology can lead to improvements on some very different areas.
I buy and sell cars as a hobby. I had 2 citroens DS3, one was 1.2 turbo petrol, the other 1.6 hdi turbo diesel, both manual. Petrol was 35 mpg at it's best, diesel was 45+ mpg. Diesel has also more torque. But. If you only drive around town, I'd go for petrol but if you also do motorway and a lot of miles then diesel
Interesting video. I had not realised that Diesel sales had dropped from 50% of the market to 5%.
The Petrol v Diesel test is basically what we expect, the Diesel wins.
People seem to care less about economy, they will buy a tall SUV that uses around 5%-10% more fuel than an equivalent standard size car that is more aerodynamic.
My take on it is that I need a big estate car. I do not drive much but do longer runs. My car of choice is a Mercedes E class with a 2 litre diesel. It is Euro 6 compliant and has very low emissions. I purposefully got one registered in the late 2016-early 2017 few months where you got the new model with this engine but before the tax rates change so it is still on £30 a year tax. I get well over 50mpg from it.
It was quite high mileage when I bought it last year but my thought is that it is never going to wear out and I will just keep it going for as long as I drive (I am 63 now) or as long as I can buy Diesel.
The point near the end regarding the whole impact of the car is a very good one. Making a car that lasts 30 years must be better than making one that only lasts 12 years or indeed buying an electric car that is worn out in 8 years and it is not viable to replace its battery.
I had a W210 (2002) and it was the worst car I ever had, was told by Mercedes tech that it’s the worst merc Mercedes have ever made. I have heard they have improved, wish you the best with it.
@@cw3728 Hi, I have been driving merc estates for years and around 2002 they did have a very bad period when the accountants got at the quality control.
Over recent years I have had a 2014 C class and a 2016 E class both bought at around 80k miles. C was sold at 100k and E is on my drive on 97k. I had all the service history for both cars and neither have had any parts apart from normal service consumables and brake normal wear and new batteries.
I bought cheaper high mileage cars in both cases. I think they got back on track with this model change.
Also, if you are buying second hand, owners do not seem to thrash mercs like they do audis or bmws.
Very well done, and very well explained... Form a engineer
Fully agree with the ending talk after the comparison test. I went from having a £30 a year tax diesel to a similar size petrol car. I prefer driving my petrol in general. Although i did like getting 50mpg around town compared to about 38mpg in the petrol, motorway driving not as big a gap, around 60mpg to 51mpg but the petrol is more powerful and easier to accelerate and change lanes on the motorway in my petrol. Now the emissions are similar, previously petrols being slightly more CO2 (bad to environment) but lower NOx (bad to humans heath) which is the major reason for the opinion change to petrols again especially with ULEZ and daily charges being fully against pre euro 6 diesels. But yes i don't understand how having an electric car that requires twice the carbon footprint to build and uses precious metals being shipped halfway across the world just for zero emissions at tailpipe (not even considering possibility of using coal produced electricity to charge) is an overall gain over just keeping your current petrol car 🤔
Interesting I still run diesel as my daily car I generally get around 10mpg more in mixed driving but on a run I can easily out perform our newer petrol family car by 25-30mpg on a big trip that's a substantial cost saving on fuel. Also in my case the diesel is the more powerful/comfy car. The costs to buy a newer similar size/power/spec petrol or hybrid car to replace either of our vehicles is very expensive. I just think if everyone starts ditching and scrapping all these diesel cars prematurely that's also potentially damaging?
And here I am with my 20 year old Astra H with an 1.8 petrol engine and I struggle to go below (or above if using MPG) 7.5l/100km (37,6 imperial MPG) on a city/mixed cycle haha. Great vid.
I wish we could get either of these cars in the US. 50mpg from a regular gas car is great.
Good honest video, attempting to show accurate fuel consumption, agreed manufacturer's computers do exaggerate. However the best method is fill tank, and run cars, then fill again see how much you have used over three fills. Add up mileage divide by amount of fuel purchased.
Very interesting! Just over a week ago, I changed my 10 yr old Skoda Octavia VRS TDi for a 3 yr old Corolla hybrid 2 litre. I bought the Skoda 7 yrs ago when I was commuting 35 miles on motorways, but now I travel only 6 miles to work, which the Corolla should be more suited for. On paper, they have the same bhp and 0-60 time, but the Skoda has more torque, but I'm thinking the Corolla will calm my driving style down! Over long distance motorway miles, the Skoda is probably more economical, but overall I'm hoping the Corolla will be equally or slightly better on fuel.
The Corolla should be very good for city and lower speed driving.
The corolla will have instant torque from the elecric motors whereas the diesel doesn't. Hybrids are way better than diesel in towns or cities as they pull away much quicker. They just struggle past 40mph as the battery boost starts to die down.
A lot of work went into this video good for you. I found it very interesting. Best wishes for your car sale it looked very nice actually. Thanks for posting 👍
From observing other people around me that drive diesel, I've come to the conclusion that everything you save on fuel with a diesel you pay for in bulk in more expensive repairs.
Definitely, my audis and vw diesels have been expensive to repair
@@wakaflockaproject That's because they are Audi and VW, not because they are diesel. The maintenance costs of a diesel is not significantly different to a petrol if you are not deliberately driving them wrong (e.g. short trips only, never fully heated, etc.).
@@Asto508 the engines are solid, it's the stuff around that breaks or wears out. Also crappy past owners don't help
@@wakaflockaproject There is literally no difference between diesel and petrol cars other than the engine and emission-related components like DPFs vs catalytic converters.
If you owned Audis and VWs, then you know why stuff around breaks and are expensive to repair, but that's equally true for petrol Audis and VWs, that's especially true for turbocharged DI engines that are designed to fail early.
I wouldn't buy a diesel with SCR though, so that point is granted.
Very educational and informative. Thanks mate.
My preference are the diesels.
The torque and power you get is much lower down in the rev band.
Petrols produce most their HP at the higher rev range, usually aroond 4500 to 5000.
For me, i simply dont cruise around at 5000 revs and so dont feel the power often.
Despute the slower 0-60 my diesels always feel quicker due to the power you get low down
I would rather be in an accident driving a diesel. Spilling petrol is much scarier.
For that reason I find diesels smoother to drive, as they don't have to be worked as hard. It makes manoeuvring easier as well, you can use just the clutch to nudge the car back or forward.
@@deadandburied7626Absolutely, it’s never mentioned. Also over an EV AS well.
My smax definitely overreads I drove from Sudbury to haverhill yesterday and averaged over 70 mpg. To be fair the fuel gauge didn't noticeably move over the trip there and back and I took back roads back which had a bit more spirited driving.
I passed today! I really have to thank you Richard for 1. Helping me become a better driver but also making me so interested in learning! I always learned something new or a different perspective on a manoeuvre every single video! It’s made me become a confident and safe driver! Thank you!
My condolences 😞
@@beamboy07 you got me good! Hahaha it honestly took me a minute to understand 😂
@@uniproductions8037 well done, first attempt nice and easy?
@@beamboy07 Yup, first attempt! It went really well and only got 2 minors, which I'm pleased about. The drive had me a little nervous as I went on a newer route I hadn't practiced.. but I was well prepared for all roads!
@@uniproductions8037 nice job well done
You have a whip yet?
👏👏👏 for the musings at the end.
gentleman blurred the culprit's plates 👍
I do 89 miles for 4 days out of 8 i had a diseal at the moment and yes i fill it up once every 10 days. I currently had a 3 day test on toyota hybrid the fuel was the same as diseal
You must have had a plug in hybrid? As I only managed 42.5mpg when I hypermiled it whereas the diesel would get 65+ in a 1.7 tonne barge.
@@khalidacosta7133 I get about average of 63mpg on motorway in 'self charging hybrid' (regular) at roughly a consistent speed of 70, and around 76 - 84mpg in city driving.
@@khalidacosta7133 toyota corrola self charging hybrid
Video where I compare a Corolla Hybrid with a diesel coming soon.
I used to live in Colchester, your vids bring back memories
Electric cars tend to have heavy batteries which make them significantly heavier than petrol and diesel cars. More mass means more energy spent on moving that mass. More energy means more emissions. EVs cannot deny basic physics. That aspect of EVs is often ignored for some reason.
I have experience of both Petrol & Diesel very recently and looked at the maths (I've stopped trusting anything the Telegraph claim) BMW X3 = 19k kg. Model Y = 19k kg. Model Y 3.8miles per kWh, BMW X3 2.8 kWh (converting petrol to kWh).
"Significantly" heavier? Range Rover = 2810 kg. Tesla Model S = 2250kg. A BMW 5 Series estate car weighs more than a Tesla Model 3...... It will not be long now before solid state battery technology arrives ( Ford and BMW have been trialling solid state for a while). And this will mean physically smaller, lighter battery packs with greater energy density (more range) and much quicker charging......
I agree 100% regarding you analysis of future development of all types of power sources. I personally upgraded from a Citroën C3 petrol to a used Citroën C4 Hdi. Apart from reducing CO2 from my tailpipe I also help reducing the amount of fuel distributed throughout the country which is done by diesel trucks. Also, I can choose to use HVO100 and reduce my CO2 footprint even further. Like your videos a lot, thanks.
Totally agree that the production of the car along with it's fuel and it's transportation needs to be a factor in emissions levels. The problem is people don't factor the same things in with petrol and diesel cars either. As soon as you take in to account the emissions involved with extracting fossil fuels, refining them to petrol or diesel and then shipping it half way around the world to be burned in our cars it has absolutely no chance at all of competing with EV emissions even if they charged using the dirtiest power available.
Indeed. The all-in costs are certainly higher to produce an EV, but not as much higher as to significantly offset the savings, assuming all of your energy to recharge the car comes from renewable sources.
well, most of the people who advocate on not doing a total ban, resort to incredibly detailed and hopeful mental gymnastics in order to justify the continuation of the vroom-vroom noise for which they care about more than the lives of their grandchildren
What about EV battery swap? Not advocating either side but surely 90% of batteries won't last past 10 years (at least I havent seen properly used laptop, phone, power tools, scooters or any other type of vehicle with decent battery after such a long time). Replacing engine or any metal parts won't add much damage to the environment while producing EV battery takes large portion of the total costs, which means overall emissions skyrocket again. Yes, that battery may do 500k before dying but how many cars actually do that kind of milage? 1% of total production? Just thinking out loud :)
@@kg9799 It's a fair concern. It's more usage than age that causes a battery to fail (or more accurately, charging and discharging, which amounts to the same thing in practice).
I think an EV that was capable of 500,000 miles in 10 years would be able to achieve 100,000 in 15-20. Not a linear improvement, but an improvement nonetheless.
You're right though - in some respects this latest version of EVs are simply too new to the market to have any strong evidence for their longevity.
@@kg9799 That's a legitimate concern however EV batteries are not the same as those used in power tools, phones and laptops. Current EV batteries are expected to last 15-20 years or up to 200,000 miles before degradation reaches a level that may require them to be replaced. Even when they are replaced these old batteries will then go on to be used in other applications for many years prior to being recycled many years later. Reuters say that in the USA a Tesla would have to drive on average 13,500 miles before it's doing less harm to the environment than a similar sized gas car. So based on that my simple maths says that at 100,000 miles the Tesla could have had seven new batteries (even though it doesn't need them) and still have less carbon emissions than the gas car.
Congratulations on the new car! Toyota hybrids are great, and it is all my family buys now. The best tank in the 2021 Camry Hybrid that we have is 57 US MPG (68 imperial, 4.12 L/100km) and it has averaged 50.2 US MPG (60.2 imperial, 4.68 L/100km) since new.
I'm sure the Corolla Hybrid will do even better than that!
A corolla hybrid also makes a lot more sense than the Citroen if an automatic transmission is a must. A CVT is MUCH nicer to drive than an automated manual
I love the torque a diesel has at low revs. Driving 130kph on the highway at around 2000rpm with plenty of torque is just so relaxing on long journeys. My dads petrol has a bit more torque, but it just sounds like the engine works a bit harder all the time. Glad I got to experience a diesel just before they will be gone forever.
You can still buy one for the next 7 years and use it for another 15 or so. Diesel fuel will be available till 2050 easily as trucks will still ise them
Times have changed and modern turbocharged petrol engines produce full torque below 1900rpm.
39:41 as that happened, we have VAG liying about emissions, PSA and Renault also being prosecuted in France for fraudulent strategies and cheating in diesel emissions test.
It's definitely a travesty that so many countries are moving forward with the total ban on all combustion vehicles because so many avenues and technologies are completely unexplored. Only recently the US started developing some opposed piston diesel engines which should sport *crazy* high thermal efficiency, though it would take a while before this is introduced into the consumer market. Even for petrol there have been major development efforts from Mazda with their Skyactiv-X engine, or Toyota with the Dynamic Power line.
OK Boomer.
@@craigix Shut fuck I want broom broom
You could have all the thermal efficiency you liked, but the facts remain that pollution at street level in our towns and cities is at it's highest ever levels. And of course one day, oil will run dry.....
@@Brian-om2hh That's fair but consider that many nations have failed across the board to provide clean or sustainable energy in their countries and it will take ages to rectify, with some like Germany regressing and going back to the insanely inefficient and horrifyingly polluting coal power. Even if we made the switch to EVs right away, and even if the grid was good enough to endure the increased demand to charge the cars, we would still not be better off in terms of pollution. In fact, we would probably end up creating more pollution due to just how old some of the restarted plants are.
Also Oil is not the only source of fuel cars can use, we can use Ethanol instead of Petrol and we can create Biodiesel. The technology for producing Biodiesel is not mature yet and Ethanol is still difficult to scale for automotive purposes, but these are workable issues.
@@Brian-om2hh It's nowhere near highest ever. That was in the 70s.
20:13 AND ITS LIGHTS OUT AND AWAY WE GO
I have the previous generation Citroën C4, same 1.6L diesel with the robotised gearbox but it doen't have the stop-start system, interestingly the steering in mine is very direct (my wife complains it's too heavy as though there is no power assist), also the suspension is quite stiff too, so you'd probably find it more enjoyable to drive, the around town consumption I get is quite similar to what you got on this test, but on longer highway run's I regularly get it's claimed 3.8L/100km and even had 3.6L/100km on some longer trips. Part of the issue for you being in the UK you don't have the space to do a long highway drive, I'm in Queensland (Australia) where it can often be over 100km between towns so the potential 1500km from the tank is quite useful (I usually fill up around 1300 - 1400km), the other difference is my Aircon probably has to work harder, I usually leave it set to 22°C and on auto (let it decide how fast to spin the fans) but when the temps are over 35°C outside I'll set it to 24°C so it doesn't work so hard and there is less of a temp shock when I get out of the car, likewise I'll set it to 20 if the outside temp is under 10°C.
I've had the car from new and found the thing that mad the biggest difference to fuel consumption over the last 15 years was tyre changes, It came with Michelin XM tyres, I went to Michelin XM2 tyres and got about 10% improvement in fuel consumption, then after 2 sets of Michelin XM2's last time I got Michelin Primacy 3 tyres because the XM's weren't available these are giving me about 5% worse fuel consumption than the XM2's but still better than the XM's, Conclusion tyres do make a difference to fuel consumption.
You can do a 1300 Km trip in the Uk
@@Jack-lo1uc but it probably wont all be above 100km/h and you'll pass a lot more towns have more traffic and cross more borders (I can drive twice that without leaving my state)
If you drive just in town buy a petrol car.
If you drive long miles buy a diesel car.
I've done 3800 miles with 5 and half tank of diesel ( 3 adults 1 child + boot was full )
You are absolutely right, government thinking has become very blinkered. We need a more outcome based approach as you say, otherwise we stifle innovation.
The government, ever since the coalition, has been a shambles. The book "A Decade in Tory" is a good read and shows what a bunch of no hopers the Conservatives are. They've messed everything up, from IT contracts, to missed deadlines like smart meter rollout. EV rollout will be the next missed deadline, but they'll pat themselves on the back nonetheless.
Ex. engineer here. After a lot of research my latest car is a 2013 Peugeot Hybrid Diesel. Why? We live in the sticks, I visit rural properties for my job, and occasional 4wd is needed, the electric motor drives the back wheels, the diesel the front. Fuel economy is 4.5l per 100Km, 85gm CO2/Km = low emissions, and I have no range or charger availability anxieties or long refuel times. Its not pristine, a bit boring but it is comfortable, inexpensive and reliable. My driving pattern is too irregular for electric in my opinion. Also I always let someone else take the big depreciation hit, seems sensible to me!
Well Done for passing 200k in the Seat Leon!
Then you have to think about the ethanol content in the fuel, because the ethanol content lowers the amount of energy. for ethanol has a significantly lower amount of energy
It's easy to buy ethanol-free fuel in the south east of 🏴, though it always bears the "E5" label. However, a memo from ESSO suggests everywhere will shift toward biofuel in the coming months, so there'll probably be at least 2½% ethanol in the "E5". "E10" in the UK generally contains between 5 and 7½% ethanol at present.
I don't think they will get rid of internal combustion engines entirely. The infrastructure isn't there yet and petrol and diesel cars are just too good, cheap, and reliable.
I do, particularly in mainland Europe. Euro 7 emissions laws are set to arrive in 2025, and these will effectively kill off any new ICE engine development. Quite a few car makers have already stated it will be too costly and too technically challenging to get new ICE designs through Euro 7......
I study Mechanical & Aeronautical engineering and the whole topic of banning fossil fuels is very intriguing. The most notable thing about this topic is that whenever we discuss it with our university professors, they bang their heads on the wall. Their main argument is that you simply can't ban a technology that has been existent and has evolved massively for over a century. The engine combustion technology has improved significantly over the past decades and with proper regulation it could keep getting greener at the same rate. Add synthetic fuels and hydrogen to the mix and combustion could really have a place in the future of mobility. That's not to say that battery electric cars are bad, but they're not as good as the average person thinks they are, especially when you consider socioeconomic factors and long-term rare metal reserves. In order for transportation to become greener and hit its emissions targets, we need a mix of all the types of energy I mentioned above, as long as we keep improving on them. Even Battery electric cars could become greener, but from what I know, there's currently no regulation forcing them to do so. The key thing is that regulations, have the unrestricted power to shape the future, and only with the proper policies, not bans, we'll be able to hit our emissions objectives. "Force" engineers to improve on a technology and I'm almost certain that they'll find a solution.
If we truly care about the environment the goal should be to reduce usage of cars as a whole, electric and non-electric. Public transport being used by everyone should be the target.
@@TheUwaisPatel You're absolutely right. Public transport and alternative modes of transportation in general should have an increasing share in the pie chart. However we should bear in mind that it too has its limits that we should try to improve
You don't need to study anything to understand the basics. If you want to reduce emissions, you have to use the tech we have available today. Not some esoteric battery that might never work or somehow improve the electricity infrastructure (because charging 5 80kwh battery packs in 10 minutes.. yeah good luck with that). Public transport system is available today, at a much lower carbon price, that reduces road traffic levels. We also need to decarbonise the electric grid...but no plans on that. So do you think the government is doing it for the publics interest or the interest of their friends in the finance world who would rather you pay interest on a car worth £80k, rather than £40k?
The most environmentally friendly option is to keep old cars on the road as long as possible. The manufacturing of a new car will emit more emissions and use up more resources.
I agree, my old Volvo V70 D5 is just run in @ 250 K miles as far as I am concerned, I would expect another 250 K out of it.
cant go wrong with a diesel. and its only really londons silly ulez thats the problem (and i think birmingham) all the other low emissions zone atm excludse personal vehicles (or most personal vehicles except the most excessive engines ) . and ill be running mine till it falls appart cus god knows whats going on with new cars but I get the feeling my TDI golf will out last them, needing fewer repairs.
Excellent video, thank you for making it.
I agree. These blanket bans of production of ICE cars, that some countries are comitting to, don't seem to be very wise because technologies are constantly improving. Focusing on electric vehicles as a sole solution may cause us to overlook long term effects on the environment, car market and even infrastructure, since EVs tend to be heavier and thus destroy roads quicker.
I think people need to be given options. The more options there are the more technologies are being developed at the same time, so to speak. This way we will be able to create cleaner vehicles sooner.
Great video, as always!
i go to prison before i give up mine, next car 75% change going back to diesel and plans to maintain it very well and do me for the next 20-30 years plus. we already done our part no more is needed for this fraud roads never been so clean, even my school years 20 years plus ago the morning coal fires . look at other places around the world. in china a new government order to retire forests make way for farmland. way over 90% people i know they sticking with ICE.
The Citroen's interior looks quite modern still. Lovely car. The Toyota Corolla seems more dated somehow.
The Corolla is a much nicer car to drive with more tech, more comfortable too. But I think you're right about the styling of the Citroën's interior.
@@ConquerDriving I've always loved the quirkiness of Citroens and somehow love the Pre facelift C4 Picasso. Lol. Yes I think Toyota makes some of the most comfortable seats in the industry. I once rented a normal Corolla and drove 1400kms and my back wasn't even sore which it usually is in most other cars.
On the point of no new combustion cars by 2030. I dont know if that will go through honestly. I personally dont believe we will have the tech required for electric vehicles in just 7 years. While youll still be able to buy cars made before 2030, itll definitely be an issue overall if the tech isnt ready. No ones hoing to buy electric cars anyway if they dont have enough range.
Not a chance, electricity grid can't cope with it and people won't want to wait 30 minutes to get a charge at a service station. (To charge 4 BEV's under 10 minutes, even if the battery tech is available to do that, would require an electricity substation....)
@@khalidacosta7133 also, need to think about infrastructure changes too. right now at service stations and petrol stations, we have something like 8 pumps. this supports up to 8 cars at once. even if we had 8 charging points for 8 cars, since cars will have lower range, more cars would be stopping at service points. So youd get bigger jams of cars waiting to charge up because it takes longer to charge 1 car, than it does to get lots of cars through the station.
@@grenvallion Most service stations have decent sized car parks... It's not the most sound argument, especially with the range of cars, most don't need to use service stations. If you take say 100 cars to charge at the same time, that would require it's own substation. Europes largest charging station, is in Oxford. A whopping 42 cars at once.. out of a space of 500 cars but it required it's own substation connected to the national grid... that's the main issue. A 19MW substation costs around £2 million to build, that can charge 126 cars at 100kw each which would take half an hour. Therein lies the problem... if you double the charge rate, you halve the time... and amount of cars that can charge at once.
@khalidacosta7133 exactly. You need much more space to build multiple car parks that can have a lot of cars in them. And yes, it would be expensive. It wouldn't be worth it. We've got 7 years to improve the tech. Charge time needs to come down to maybe 5 minutes or less, and the range needs to go up dramatically.
@@khalidacosta7133I looked this up on the National Grid website and they disagree
4.5L/100km in town is absolutely insane! Live it! ❤
Part of the problem was diesels are not really suited to short urban journeys (take longer to reach optimum working temperature, particulate pollution in highly congested areas, DPF problems) even though the government encouraged everyone to have them.
I can see electric cars going in a similar direction, whereby everyone is encouraged to have them only to find out later they are not as environmentally friendly as first thought.
Also, the impact of installing the charging network never seems to get mentioned. The huge lengths of trenching and associated reinstatement's laying cables will cause emissions and use resources up.
I will agree with your point about not knowing what you are talking about.
I just hope when 2030 comes, electric cars will be just as cheap as the patrol/diesel cars now (after inflation adjustments), charging is as fast as filling a tank at pumps, chargers are available as easy as pumps, ranges are similar to patrol/diesel cars. May be i am dreaming but who knows.
everything you said applies only to your country. There are only like 16 chargers in my entire country and they are old weak ones not the fast ones. I live in the largest city and the closest chargers is 30Km away and the next one is 80Km away
_"charging is as fast as filling a tank at pumps"_
The benefit of electric cars is that you can charge them at home at night, and you don't have to stop at a charging station, unless your trip is really long. Instead of focusing on charge times, I think a more important thing would be focusing on range. But once you can drive 500km on a single charge, that's already enough for pretty much all purposes. I mean, few people will drive 500km without stopping. (And I don't think it will take that long until 500km range becomes a standard feature. The average EV range has more than doubled in the last 10 years, and it's already over 350km.)
Electric car charging doesn't really work the same way as filling up your gas tank. With ICE cars, you tend to fill the tank from almost empty to completely full. But this is not how it works with electric cars. Instead of waiting for it to charge from almost empty to completely full battery, you plug in the charger every time you stop. This means, most of the time your battery will be at around 40-70%. You really don't need to go from empty to full on an electric car. And quick charging is already pretty fast. I just don't think there's really a need for it to be as fast as pumping gas (from empty to full tank). People simply need to approach it with a different mindset (you don't charge it only when you need to - instead, you charge it every time you stop).
Chargers should actually be more easily available than gas pumps. Every parking lot should have chargers. There would be no longer a need for separate "gas stations". If you can't charge at home, electric cars make little sense.
I think at the moment the price of electric cars is their biggest downside.
@@MaggaraMarine Charging at home at night won't work for people living in apartment blocks in urban areas.
Have you ever been on a road trip during vacation time? Queues on gas stations can be enormous. Imagine that not only every one would need to take more time "tankink up" but also as you said people would charge just because they are stopping. The scalability of this approach seems impossible
@@maciekberendt1761 This. Even most homes in UK cities are on road parking only, this entire idea is dumb.
I think what's really happening is affordable cars are becoming too expensive to produce due to legislation which means manufacturers are starting to discontinue them. Petrol cars may becomes more expensive as apposed to electric cars getting much cheaper.
The NOx and expensive DPF and Bluetec do not make sense. More expensive than hybrid battery
I'm on my 4th add blue malfunction. My old vehicle got too 207k with no issues. It was a 2 week wait at ford to get it in to be looked at meanwhile it won't start because the add blue system prevents it from starting.
@@chrishart8548 207k km is nothing for Hybrid HSD. The battery is even still under warranty for 15 y unlimited miles if you are in UK or DE
Hydogen baby, current lithium mining will be a big scandal in years to come.
Hydrogen will go out with a boom im sure
Valid point but name me a place where you can buy hydrogen fuel and also name me a manufacturer that’s making a mass market hydrogen powered car?
@@jackjoyce1744 100% right. Have an EV in my household so not longing for aulds lang syne, but it really is going to be a problem.
This laser focus on EV's and to hell with all others seems like another diesel push. Like everything diversification is probably more safe.
Thats why I liked richard's take on refining petrol and diesel instead of a complete ban which is supposedly going to happen (I have my doubts..)
Very informative video ' really impressed 👏
People *DIDN'T* stop buying diesels, manufacturers stopped making them...
The ones that still do enjoy success with them AND used prices still hold stronger than petrol's!
Manufacturers stopped making them because people didn’t buy them
@@sam512 *because the government and local authorities started levying against them actually!
Look at the sales pre-emission zone cash cows - Flying off the shelves AND used prices support this, in higher demand compared to equivalent petrol models...
Just a fun fact; 06:50 we used to measure fuel economy in Liters per Mil (pronounced kind of like meal, but not pronouning the a). A "Mil" Norwegian Mil is 10km. Why did we do that? I have no idea😅
Finally something only about internal combustion, back to normal. Congrats for video
What do squiggly line road markings mean? 6:43
I haven't stopped driving diesel mine are both Euro 6 ULEZ, with an auto gearbox they are so relaxing to drive and not a seconds range anxiety!
The range anxiety will come as we draw nearer to 2030 and particularly beyond it. Shell stated in their last business report that they plan to cut the production of petrol and diesel by 40% on the lead up to 2030. Shell were one of the organisations who lobbied the UK Government to bring *forward* the ban on the sale of new ICE cars and vans to 2030, from 2035. The National Grid were another......
@@Brian-om2hh diesel will certainly continue for many years as there are no HGV EV's and in the UK and EU no Petrol HGV's.
Good comparison, but may of been good to add the cost of fuel in the comparison as diesel tends to be dearer than petrol certainly for your UK viewers.
Very surprised that those 1.4 tfsi’s are euro 5’s! Great video mate
I'd be happy with 4.90 lt/100kms, because my i30 does 5.8 lt/100kms on the freeway, which I'm satisfied. Can't wait for the Toyota hybrid review.
On the citroen cruise control cant go below 40 kmph but the limitator con go down to 30 kmph.
Thank you
Will you do a video about filling up at Petrol Stations? What to do/not to do, can you overfill a tank, can it leak fuel out of the car? Do you have to know tank capcity of your car to figure out when to stop filling to get a full tank? Does ice affect it? Costs? Economy? Danger (can mobile phone ignite petrol?), what are the meanings of the different types of fuel you can get there?
Love your channel mate