Agreed Man, this is some high level sci. This is on course to being as good as Darth Angeles' Thrawn Trilogy. Cheers VGM98 and Thank You for this and hopefully many more...
Borg when their cube gets destroyed by Humanity and the U.F.P: "We have awakened a sleeping giant. This is fine." Borg when they get invaded by 8472/Undine: "And, we did it again, a problem has now developed." Borg when they get defeated by Humanity and U.F.P. again: "Wow our luck has just all gone horrible." Just like Starfleet, the Borg got a wakeup call to their arrogance. Like Garak said, the two share much in common. Unlike Starfleet, without the ability to innovate, the Borg will have a harder time to adapt, if they do at all.
I heard about something called "technology farming" once, and immediately I thought of the Borg. The most terrifying thing about them is their patience, their diligence, their willingness to play the long game. If a civilisation gains their interest, that civilisation is doomed. It matters not how long it takes. The Borg send just one cube at a time, every few years or so, to gauge a society's technological progress by attacking it. If the cube is defeated, then the Collective takes what it's learned and adapts, but they also watch to see what that society learns from the encounter, and after a few years or a few generations, they do it again, with just enough to make the defeat just costly enough that the target society bounces back and develops more. Lather, rinse, repeat. Eventually that society will reach the pinnacle of its technological advancement, and then the Borg return....in swarms. They achieve their goals of both getting the best stuff and bringing other societies closer to the Borg ideal of perfection. Resistance, in the end, was as futile as hope. It's quite Lovecraftian.
The later episodes of Star Trek Picard, Season Three, bear this out, going all the way back to Wolf 359. Picard's reclamation from the Collective was not without its drawbacks. During Picard's time as Locutus, Dr Beverly Crusher-Picard noted upon a detailed examination of Captain Picard what had initially been perceived as nanofibers, later determined to be Borg nanoprobes, and which had begun to alter his DNA. And upon his severance from the Collective, Picard's genetic code had returned largely to baseline, but with one glaring exception which would go undetected for a number of years. Initially misdiagnosed as Irumodic Syndrome, a brain abnormality had formed within Picard. Twenty-five years later it would end the life of his original body, which ten years later was taken from Daystrom Institute, and the genetic code reprogrammed into the transporter pattern buffers of every Starfleet ship constructed after the Dominion War. Those who used Starfleet transporters would be reintegrated with Picard's modified DNA code, and ten years afterwards the seeds of the genetic assimilation of Humanity by the Borg were sown. This nearly spelled the doom of the Federation, and it shows an excellent example of how truly insidious and forward-looking the Borg could be.
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I loved how you tied in the invasion of the Undine as the reason for the Borg second incursion. I just wished we had more of the actual battle in the movie to see these tactics in play. Someone needs to do a fan made film with you as the writer and director.
14:40 ; Wow, the Oberths are actually useful for once. Starfleet definitely means business. Now if only they can do this all or even most of the time then the Federation could become the undisputable hegemon of both the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. (Excluding noncorporeal hyperadvance civilizations doing nothing but the one planet challenge because the writers have no idea what to do with them in relation to conventional Star Trek Astropolitics and just end up forgetting about them).
I think the Borg made better villains when we knew nothing about them they were mysterious and had no obvious drive until we got more on them. Just like the brain parasites in that episode of TNG It had an unsolved mystery style that I’m glad was never finished because it leaves us wondering. I this battle put their raw strength into perspective as a single cube just bashed its way through to terra although it was stopped it shows that if they wanted the Borg could crush them. Amazing episode, the into about the Borg encounters is perfect and puts them into perspective
What is interesting the Borg did finally assimilate a member of 8472. Though this is in Beta Canon and seen in Star Trek Online. It is the most terrifying thing ever seen.
Nope. Hayes survived. He sent the message to Voyager via the Hirogen relay network 6+ months later. Janeway: Admiral Hayes. Good man, fine officer. Bit of a wind-bag. From Hope and Fear voyager ep4x26 stardate 51978.2 2374 First contact (the battle part) takes place on 50893.5 2373
@@Clenched.Cheeks Not necessary. They said the Admiral's ship was destroyed. They did not say if the Admiral himself was killed. The entire crew could have made an emergency transport to a planet (Earth or Mars), a space station, or another ship, assuming they did not get to the escape pods or shuttlecraft. A ship being destroyed does not mean everyone is dead, especially with such broken tech the Federation has. Heck, I can think of a scenario that most ships could follow: transport to shuttlecraft, put all power into shields to protect itself, and go to warp the moment the ship is blowing up to escape. It also makes me wonder how large were the casualties the Federation suffered during the Dominion War when they have so many ways to escape their ships and planets alive and do not often fight to the death, unlike the Jem'Haddar.
@@raw6668 you have to admit, that's a bit of a stretch. The Flagship crew isn't going to abandon it's posts in the face of an existential threat. And from how we've seen the Borg fight, the Cube would obliterate the command ship in seconds. I mean, it hasn't been written so anything is possible. I just chalk it up to giving an actor a small bit of work. :)
@@Clenched.Cheeks That is why its not necessarly. Besides, those cutting lasers actually take a long time to cause a ship to explode if the Miranda Siscko was on and the Enterprise D was any indication. Depending on the clase, the Admiral had more then enough time to escape.
Great job, as ever. The Admiral's plan to capture the Cube was interesting. I can see the value of disabling the Borg and studying their technology ahead of future encounters. Data even suggests as much to Riker in TBoBW. However, to take such a risk in such close proximity to earth was foolhardy to say the least. Conducting such an operation out in deep space would have made more sense. Did I detect a suggestion that political manoeuvrings, as opposed to his traumatic history with the collective, were to blame for Picard's exclusion from the fray? Do tell..
put simply Hayes didn't want him there because he knew Picard would want to destroy them. equally while Hayes was the formal commander of 'Borg Task Force Bravo'. in practice picard was in command for most of the training exercises. We know from 'Star Trek Picard' he doesn't get on with the Satus-Qou in starfleet command.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 So the task force trains with Picard as field-commander and then, on the eve of battle, old 'JL' gets the curly finger and is banished to the Neutral Zone. These Admirals - honestly, I despair sometimes... 😱
I wonder what would of happened if picards and the crew of the enterprise would of broken order 3 hours earlier or even when the borg were first heading for sector 001 in 2373?
Borg cubes have a serious problem; while very sturdy, they're very slow at impulse, and cumbersome at that. They're massive, but sluggish, and easily hunted; it is for that reason that they mostly use lighter faster and more maneuverable ships as flank cover for them to shield them from direct attack while they use their longer range weapons and act as planted bombardment posts to wear down opposition- when acting in a group, a Borg fleet is one of the most formidable units in the entire Science-fiction universe anywhere.
Your work has been such an inspiration for my Star Trek Adventures tabletop games. Thank you for all the hard work that you've invested in this kind of material.
this creepypasta style transitions into a war report. creative and informative without being boring. very cool my dude! also at 09:26 i see three groups with a designated "oberth class" ship. starfleet still in its way to deploy SCIENCE ONLY vessels in combat situations. 14:36 oh...ooooh they have an active role now. cool.
Interesting angle on the reason for the "First Contact" invasion--well done. Altho, to be quibble-y, the Borg saw a need for Locutus loooong before 8472 came along, but still very original.
Could it be with the time travel element that the need for Locutus is part of the possible pre-destination paradox of the Borg signal in Enterprise? "Get him. We need HIM to survive" (?)
I believe the Borg’s reason for wanting Locutus was not for some grand long-term goal but for 2 simpler reasons. 1-In their plan to assimilate earth they desired a strategic advantage. It was decided by assimilating a Starfleet officer of sufficient rank, they could gain strategic knowledge on their target. They had limited knowledge of humans and the Federation. Having only gained knowledge from the Enterprise’s engineering computer in Q Who. Voyager and Enterprise retcons not withstanding. They chose Picard because he was the first Starfleet captain they had met. So they already knew him. 2-The other reason they created Locutus? Does anyone remember that Voyager episode “Faces”. Remember how that Vidiian was trying to make Klingon-Belanna love him but he was deformed? So he thought “If I take her friend, cut off his face and wear it, she will be more comfortable around me.” Naturally, Belanna was horrified and enraged. I think the Borg operated on the same warped logic. “If WE ask them to submit to assimilation they will get scared and try to fight us…but if PICARD, a respected and decorated Starfleet captain, asks them they will feel comfortable and more receptive to assimilation.
For years we have been hearing about how badly scarred Starfleet was because of Wolf 359. I like the way you said that they finally got a little payback. Just enough to take on the Dominion. "Both afraid and un-afraid"
there needs to be a short series devoted to this battle because it went on for quite a while and it would truly be interesting to see an AXANAR style in-universe fanfic on this.
I really wish there had been a DS9 episode tying this into First Contact. Starfleet could've used the same argument with Sisko, that his experience at Wolf 359 might interfere with his judgement if he commanded the Defiant, and that Lt. Cmdr Worf would be better suited for the mission. That could've been a great segment, if not a whole episode....
@@Azraiel213 Sisko on edge as he deals with Dukat until finally he breaks down attacking Dukat. He's not even fighting because he's too filled with rage and fear. Dukat's seen this look before, he knows it well, part of him wants to gloat but he knows Sisko isn't a Bajoran under Cardassian Occupation. Very quietly he asks. "What's happened? Is your son okay?" Sisko glares at him. For a moment Dukat thinks Sisko's going to attack him again. Instead Sisko says quietly. "It's the Borg. They're on route to Earth. Worf's taken the Defiant to help but I'm -" "Too valuable." says Dukat. "Compromised." admits Sisko.
Wow...just wow 👏👏👏 The art and your storytelling is just epic. Regardless if this is canon or not, this is the greatest story I've heard in a WHILE. Thank you, I needed this. 🤘
When they say ramming speed that indicates a pre determined velocity. Mabey ramming speed just means as fast as you can go. However I've always wondered if someone in Starfleet actually did the math and determined the optimal speed in order to ram another ship.
The purpose of ramming is a desperation attack basically willing to win to end if not severely cripple the target. Cause a full warp impact would be more useful though a warp core breach from a rammer into a crippled ship could do alot of damage
@@jkeelsnc The engineers saved that futile effort. Self destruct systems (and nothing else this would be) always fail when you need it and only work if someone took over your ship and wants to threaten you ;-)
Its starfleet, crewed by humans, they dont think if they should, jsut if they could. So yes, i m 100% certain, that they calculate this for every ship, even if only for the fun of it
@jkeelsnc Maybe that's part of "ramming speed". Like battle stations or abandon ship, it's a pre-determined brevity command. The crew just pushes in the command and the ship takes it on autopilot
Very intriguing and breath-taking fantastic tale of the events of first contest and of the federation standing up and sending a two fingered salute to the borg, that resistance is not futile. Intriguing twisted reasoning of tying second borg invasion into desperation and looking for a way to defeat species 8472. As we saw from Voyager, lengths Borg were willing to go to in that respect. Plus was great to see just how much better and strategically able due to the new types of ship classes and strategy and tactics, that Starfleet had come up with over the six years grace they had been afforded to really hit the borg were it hurt and pound them to destruction and going toe to toe with them. Giving them a fleet capable of defeating the borg, but also of fighting a massive long attrition war against the Dominion a few years later. acquisition
I liked how the Oberth's managed to do some very useful duties in this! Nice battle description as well, the 'rolling attacks' leading up to a swarm made sense here. Some punishing attacks from 'mere' photon torpedoes having a great effect, not so unlike the first encounter with the Enterprise D. The business with the Undine, Species 8472, also suggesting why the Borg only sent one cube to do the job.
I think they are perfect too. Too useless and weak to be any threat, thus being utterly ignored, while they do the vital job to ensure communications. Hiding the Ace in plain sight and dangling it in front of the blind Borg.
Splendid job there. A really nice touch to astro-politically link 8472 with sector 001. I don't know if the dates actually work out, but even if they don't then they ought to. There was one thing that you didn't fully follow up on, though I think you did it intentionally as some things are better left obvious but unsaid: the nefarious implication for Picard's absence from the beginning of the battle. Lore Reloaded had a good explanation but this is even better.
With the 2D gameboard like animations with the 'Borg Buster' ships, like the Akira and Steamrunner classes, their flat shape really looks like the NX-01 Enterprise - Which, in turn, makes me think that when the Federation Engineers were creating them they drew inspiration from or used the template of the NX-01 Enterprise, the rough and sturdy frontiersmen used by Archer, one of the Founders of the Federation. This is in contrast to how the 'Luxury Hotel Palace' that is the Galaxy class was based on the more sophisticated and stylish Constitution class of the Swashbuckling Cowboy days that is Kirk's Era. The neat 'head-canon' idea that when the Federation needed to reinvent and upgun their military abilities, they go back to their roots, those roots being the lessons hard learned by Captain Jonathon Archer. Seeing they need to use the dirty pick-up truck instead of the designer sports car. Then that all convolutedly ties back into the Time Loop that is the relationship between the movie 'Star Trek: First Contact' and the Star Trek Enterprise episode 'Regeneration' (2x23).
Also, the inclusion of Species 8472 gave me chills. Your creativity with back story and motivation is genius. It explains every question I've had about the inconsistencies of First Contact and Scorpion
I do like the original intent of First Contact to have the Borg arrive as multiple Cubes. It would make the Borg less weird sending one only and give greater strength to Starfleet taken down more than one cube in a running battle.
I miss the original timeline. The new Trek is not for me, I cannot embrace it. Channels like yours are all that is left for an old fan like me. Thank you!
Wow what a powerful video!!! The music and the descriptions of the battles almosts puts you there. And it was interesting that by winning the battle, they may have saved Species 8472.
If I recall, Oberths did rather well at Sector 001. We didn't see any destroyed on screen, same with the Nebula, Miranda and even the Norway class. The Akira, Saber and worst of all the Steamrunners were the ones being blown to smithereens. The Oberth reputation as canon fodder is only limited to one movie and three episodes of TNG. We saw the Enterprise-D destroyed more times than that.
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The various sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our own frightful position therein, that we should either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." -- Howard Phillips Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"
The way tells the account of these battles and his imagery is by far way better than Hollywood's version. I have seen this movie a dozen times over the years and never felt as engaged, doubtful and hopeful at the same we time. My family tells me I can spin a tell with the best of 'em but next to this guy I am a listener.
My absolute favourite sequence in all of TNG, defiant class ship bridge, a hand appears, suddenly the kingon theme starts, worf pulls himself up. His officer informs him everything is offline, he slams his fist on his console in anger. Then in a last act of defiance. “Perhaps today is a good day to die. Prepared for ramming speed!” Que the cavalry, aka the enterprise, riding to the rescue.
The Borg already had info on the Q. Remember, Guinin's people, the El'Orians had many dealings with the Q, enough to hint that they could rival the Q, were assimilated in the late 23rd Century.
Also came up with something from this and assimilate this to work in a Major Fleet Formation If go with 400 that make at least 16 Task Forces of 25 ships per in each part assign to cover Federation Fleet (400 Ships/8 Battle Groups/16 Task Forces) 2 x Sovereign class Battleships 40 x Galaxy class Battleships 28 x Nebula class Battlecruisers 8 x Akira class Heavy Cruisers 48 x Excelsior class Heavy Cruisers 56 x Steamrunner class Light Cruisers 4 x New Orleans class Light Cruisers 8 x Norway class Destroyers 8 x Intrepid class Heavy Frigates 8 x Centaur class Heavy Frigates 88 x Saber class Heavy Frigates 80 x Defiant class Light Frigates 16 x Miranda class Light Frigates 6 x Oberth class Support Ships Here are the forces of the Fleet broken up and numbers in each per 2 Anti Borg Task Forces (50 Ships) 1 x Sovereign class Battleships 4 x Akira class Heavy Cruisers 4 x Steamrunner class Light Cruisers 4 x Norway class Destroyers 8 x Saber class Heavy Frigates 4 x Defiant class Light Frigates 2 Command Groups (50 Ships) 2 x Galaxy class Battleships 2 x Nebula class Battlecruisers 2 x New Orleans class Cruisers 4 x Intrepid class Heavy Frigates 4 x Centaur class Heavy Frigates 8 x Miranda class Light Frigates 3 x Oberth class Support Ships 12 Battle Groups (300 Ships) 3 x Galaxy class Battleships 2 x Nebula class Battlecruisers 4 x Excelsior class Heavy Cruisers 4 x Steamrunner class Light Cruisers 6 x Saber class Heavy Frigates 6 x Defiant class Light Frigates This is design so Starfleet can use its specialized ships as fast responders why 2 Command Groups so not everyone taken out and 12 set up each sector or part with reserves to plug gaps on the line like chess each able to support the other groups and fast response to reinforce why many of the older multirole ships unlike Excelsior design for battle in the Cold War support the Command Ships in the Command Group why Intrepids to serve as fast scouts for the Fleet Of course older Ambassadors and Constellations regulated to rear duties and supply as the USS Stargazer a runner in the Cardassian War making sure what got to where needed base on the Picard Bio Novel as part of its duties. Why Galaxies freed up by Ambassadors likely not many built as was Galaxy plan for 6 to 12 hulls when launch so at least keeping up the Ambassador name sake as can serve as a Home Guard. Why Mirandas replacing there loss activated hulls or supply so say Support Group so a Fleet some 500 4 x Support Group (100) 1 Ambassador class Heavy Cruiser 8 Constellation class Heavy Frigate 16 Miranda class Light Frigate Plus serve as medical or recovery ships while also help out the Galaxies by augmenting there command and control as one thing at Sector 001 we learn the importance of equally supported groups of a team. Sadly none of these groups were at the Federation Klingon War as no one wanted to jump the gun before things got real to stop it as Task Force Alpha was too far away to help in time and likely remain there just encase Many of these new Anti Borg Taskforces that be the Fleet QRF likely in the works and added after the battle when ready to the 20 Fleets and boost up Starfleet to at least 10000 Vessels in this plus say the other 60000 are Runabouts that inflate the Starfleet numbers to match up
Star Trek First Contact has Picard having a telepathic link to the Borg through some of his dreams... so it kind of fits that Locutus remains in a sense; plus Dahj in Star Trek Picard tracked him down and sought sanctuary with him at one point at that.
I had no idea as to what the Undine had to do with the Battle of Sector 001. It’s rather interesting to find they influenced the Borg to take that course of action. By the way, the Undine is what Star Trek Online calls Species 8472 so that’s my name for them.
I was thinking on something and we all forgot one thing as looking back the Commander of the Federation 2nd Fleet is a Vulcan and likely one of the few veteran flag officers from many conflicts to still be around to fight the Dominion and likely the 4 years war against the Klingon while likely not take a flag command till situation demanded as Starfleet force to promote officers to fill areas like Commodores, Rear Admirals, Vice Admirals, Admirals and Fleet Admiral well she might be old school but thats something we need right now more Flag Officers to command formations.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 There is also Fleet Captains or senior Captains options with 5 pips instead of the 4 With most of the primary fleets engage older ships like the Ambassador and Constellation regulated to rear duties and doing what its name Ambassador means there is also the ships too far away to return to war still the discovery of the loss USS Voyager a great morale boost for the Fleet as Starfleet loss so much to hear one ship thought loss alone and still alive a great boost plus someone still carrying on the dream. Also have a idea on the Intrepid as the failure of the USS Voyager in its first mission likely delayed or limited to what have till bugs work out and regulated to secondary missions thus why we see one as a fast transport in the war. The USS Voyager was retired after its return from the Delta as without proper maintance and add ons so on plus Starfleet protecting the ship that made it 7 years it was vital she be a symbol.
I Love Star Trek and I Love The 'BORG' + Q.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I will keep watching the show to the day I "DIE".!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I wish Paramount Plus would make a new T.V. Game show like Jeopardy?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Its a second Doctor reference and most people only seem to be aware of Doctor who from Tom Baker on down, but I do remember Peter Trouton's "The darkest Corners of the universe" speech and was slightly disappointed you didn't include the end of it with "They Must Be Fought"
Borg: Resistance is futile.
Starfleet ship Captains: Never been swarmed by angry hornets have you.
Borg: What are Hornets?
don't know if you'd say 8472 are like hornets?
Meant Starfleet ships.
Borg: Resistance is futile nothing can stop u... Is that the Defiant? OH SH*T! SISKO'S NOT HERE IS HE?!?
@@weldonwinif he was there it be a short movie and a happy revenge for his dead wife.
“This far, no further”. One of the best Star Trek quotes of all time.
I just watched a DS:9 rerun today where Quark says it in season 7. 🤣
@@stab74 good call, now that’s funny🤣🤣🤣
I wish paramount would give this man a blank cheque to make a star trek series! It would be epic.
Agreed Man, this is some high level sci.
This is on course to being as good as Darth Angeles' Thrawn Trilogy. Cheers VGM98 and Thank You for this and hopefully many more...
Nah, the only thing he'll get is a cease and desist notice from those Paramount reprobates
@@werhnerwangra that makes me incredibly sad. He would make the most incredible star trek series.
@@beaney56 It is sad that the people at Paramount are not interested in developing the franchise and when fans do they attack like with Axanar
What a talented artist!
Borg when their cube gets destroyed by Humanity and the U.F.P: "We have awakened a sleeping giant. This is fine."
Borg when they get invaded by 8472/Undine: "And, we did it again, a problem has now developed."
Borg when they get defeated by Humanity and U.F.P. again: "Wow our luck has just all gone horrible."
Just like Starfleet, the Borg got a wakeup call to their arrogance. Like Garak said, the two share much in common.
Unlike Starfleet, without the ability to innovate, the Borg will have a harder time to adapt, if they do at all.
an excellent point, i forgot about that Garak quote.
Where did Garak say that Starfleet and the Borg had much in common?
@@TimothyChapman ; Wait, it might have actually be Eddington who said that, but Garak still also made commentary on the Federation as well.
@@occultatumquaestio5226 And then Quark call us root beer.
I heard about something called "technology farming" once, and immediately I thought of the Borg. The most terrifying thing about them is their patience, their diligence, their willingness to play the long game. If a civilisation gains their interest, that civilisation is doomed. It matters not how long it takes. The Borg send just one cube at a time, every few years or so, to gauge a society's technological progress by attacking it. If the cube is defeated, then the Collective takes what it's learned and adapts, but they also watch to see what that society learns from the encounter, and after a few years or a few generations, they do it again, with just enough to make the defeat just costly enough that the target society bounces back and develops more. Lather, rinse, repeat. Eventually that society will reach the pinnacle of its technological advancement, and then the Borg return....in swarms. They achieve their goals of both getting the best stuff and bringing other societies closer to the Borg ideal of perfection. Resistance, in the end, was as futile as hope. It's quite Lovecraftian.
The later episodes of Star Trek Picard, Season Three, bear this out, going all the way back to Wolf 359. Picard's reclamation from the Collective was not without its drawbacks. During Picard's time as Locutus, Dr Beverly Crusher-Picard noted upon a detailed examination of Captain Picard what had initially been perceived as nanofibers, later determined to be Borg nanoprobes, and which had begun to alter his DNA. And upon his severance from the Collective, Picard's genetic code had returned largely to baseline, but with one glaring exception which would go undetected for a number of years. Initially misdiagnosed as Irumodic Syndrome, a brain abnormality had formed within Picard. Twenty-five years later it would end the life of his original body, which ten years later was taken from Daystrom Institute, and the genetic code reprogrammed into the transporter pattern buffers of every Starfleet ship constructed after the Dominion War. Those who used Starfleet transporters would be reintegrated with Picard's modified DNA code, and ten years afterwards the seeds of the genetic assimilation of Humanity by the Borg were sown. This nearly spelled the doom of the Federation, and it shows an excellent example of how truly insidious and forward-looking the Borg could be.
I just want to let you know that the algorithm is recognizing you. I just saw this randomly pop up in my newsfeed after having watched a First Contact video....
six months ago. Great video. Absolutely great! And subscribed.
youtube works in mysterious ways...
I loved how you tied in the invasion of the Undine as the reason for the Borg second incursion. I just wished we had more of the actual battle in the movie to see these tactics in play. Someone needs to do a fan made film with you as the writer and director.
although it ignores that first contact with 8472 was over a year after the Battle of 001
@@jonsouth1545 well violating continuety is not new in trek xD
Fuck yeah!
@@jonsouth1545 How long before Scorpion did the Borg first engage Species 8472?
@@shadowvessel from what we know from Arturas and the whole fake Starfleet vessel the Borg 8472 war was very short and only lasted a few months
"Tough little ship you have there."
"Little?"
Great episode. I wanted to leave this for the algorithm and say how well that was put together.
thanks. these days comments are the most important.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Also, I think if you leave multiple comments it pops up in your Recommended more
14:40 ; Wow, the Oberths are actually useful for once. Starfleet definitely means business. Now if only they can do this all or even most of the time then the Federation could become the undisputable hegemon of both the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. (Excluding noncorporeal hyperadvance civilizations doing nothing but the one planet challenge because the writers have no idea what to do with them in relation to conventional Star Trek Astropolitics and just end up forgetting about them).
This may be controversial but I think that if you're nigh unstoppable quietly minding your own business actually makes sense.
I think the Borg made better villains when we knew nothing about them they were mysterious and had no obvious drive until we got more on them. Just like the brain parasites in that episode of TNG
It had an unsolved mystery style that I’m glad was never finished because it leaves us wondering.
I this battle put their raw strength into perspective as a single cube just bashed its way through to terra although it was stopped it shows that if they wanted the Borg could crush them.
Amazing episode, the into about the Borg encounters is perfect and puts them into perspective
Terra Nova, Terra Firma, Terra Invicta, All hail The Greater Terran Union!
from what i understand, they DID a follow up story involving the parasites in the comic book. i never got to read it, though.
@@omega311888 I've not read it and I don't plan to, just like alien vs predator I don't intend to acknowledge its existence
This is true about many villians. Look at Mass Effect. The Reapers were better when they were "beyond our comprehension".
What is interesting the Borg did finally assimilate a member of 8472. Though this is in Beta Canon and seen in Star Trek Online. It is the most terrifying thing ever seen.
No doubt, the Borg were always going to adapt. Like Q said, 'they are relentless'
Annnd then we destroy it and prevent the greater collective from learning how.
The Borg played possum and killed the admiral, very clever.
Nope. Hayes survived. He sent the message to Voyager via the Hirogen relay network 6+ months later.
Janeway:
Admiral Hayes. Good man, fine officer. Bit of a wind-bag.
From Hope and Fear voyager ep4x26 stardate 51978.2 2374
First contact (the battle part) takes place on 50893.5 2373
@@JCtechwizard Definitely a large plothole.
@@Clenched.Cheeks Not necessary. They said the Admiral's ship was destroyed. They did not say if the Admiral himself was killed. The entire crew could have made an emergency transport to a planet (Earth or Mars), a space station, or another ship, assuming they did not get to the escape pods or shuttlecraft. A ship being destroyed does not mean everyone is dead, especially with such broken tech the Federation has. Heck, I can think of a scenario that most ships could follow: transport to shuttlecraft, put all power into shields to protect itself, and go to warp the moment the ship is blowing up to escape.
It also makes me wonder how large were the casualties the Federation suffered during the Dominion War when they have so many ways to escape their ships and planets alive and do not often fight to the death, unlike the Jem'Haddar.
@@raw6668 you have to admit, that's a bit of a stretch. The Flagship crew isn't going to abandon it's posts in the face of an existential threat. And from how we've seen the Borg fight, the Cube would obliterate the command ship in seconds.
I mean, it hasn't been written so anything is possible. I just chalk it up to giving an actor a small bit of work. :)
@@Clenched.Cheeks That is why its not necessarly. Besides, those cutting lasers actually take a long time to cause a ship to explode if the Miranda Siscko was on and the Enterprise D was any indication. Depending on the clase, the Admiral had more then enough time to escape.
Great job, as ever. The Admiral's plan to capture the Cube was interesting. I can see the value of disabling the Borg and studying their technology ahead of future encounters. Data even suggests as much to Riker in TBoBW. However, to take such a risk in such close proximity to earth was foolhardy to say the least. Conducting such an operation out in deep space would have made more sense. Did I detect a suggestion that political manoeuvrings, as opposed to his traumatic history with the collective, were to blame for Picard's exclusion from the fray? Do tell..
put simply Hayes didn't want him there because he knew Picard would want to destroy them. equally while Hayes was the formal commander of 'Borg Task Force Bravo'. in practice picard was in command for most of the training exercises.
We know from 'Star Trek Picard' he doesn't get on with the Satus-Qou in starfleet command.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 So the task force trains with Picard as field-commander and then, on the eve of battle, old 'JL' gets the curly finger and is banished to the Neutral Zone. These Admirals - honestly, I despair sometimes... 😱
@@Mayfield2024 If only Janeway were Admiral at this point, she'd probably take over the Cube and make herself the new Borg Queen :o
I wonder what would of happened if picards and the crew of the enterprise would of broken order 3 hours earlier or even when the borg were first heading for sector 001 in 2373?
oh the irony of this now, after picard come out and became an ok show
Well that was bloody brilliant and chilling at the same time, your narrations don't have give you a chill. Excellent video,,🖖🖖👌👌👍👍
I watched this video late inside a dark, silent room after going to bed. Well done Venom, it felt realy creepy, even on a smartphone ;-)
pleasant dreams...
Borg cubes have a serious problem; while very sturdy, they're very slow at impulse, and cumbersome at that. They're massive, but sluggish, and easily hunted; it is for that reason that they mostly use lighter faster and more maneuverable ships as flank cover for them to shield them from direct attack while they use their longer range weapons and act as planted bombardment posts to wear down opposition- when acting in a group, a Borg fleet is one of the most formidable units in the entire Science-fiction universe anywhere.
GREAT JOB ON THE VIDEO! Enjoyed it during my lunch! I remember watching this movie in the theaters as a kid. It was so much fun!
Your work has been such an inspiration for my Star Trek Adventures tabletop games. Thank you for all the hard work that you've invested in this kind of material.
this creepypasta style transitions into a war report.
creative and informative without being boring. very cool my dude!
also at 09:26 i see three groups with a designated "oberth class" ship.
starfleet still in its way to deploy SCIENCE ONLY vessels in combat situations.
14:36 oh...ooooh they have an active role now. cool.
Electronics warfare craft. Smart. Finally a support element actually being used in, well, support.
would be neat to see electronic warfare on screen one day @@nsr-ints
Interesting angle on the reason for the "First Contact" invasion--well done.
Altho, to be quibble-y, the Borg saw a need for Locutus loooong before 8472 came along, but still very original.
Could it be with the time travel element that the need for Locutus is part of the possible pre-destination paradox of the Borg signal in Enterprise?
"Get him. We need HIM to survive" (?)
I believe the Borg’s reason for wanting Locutus was not for some grand long-term goal but for 2 simpler reasons.
1-In their plan to assimilate earth they desired a strategic advantage. It was decided by assimilating a Starfleet officer of sufficient rank, they could gain strategic knowledge on their target. They had limited knowledge of humans and the Federation. Having only gained knowledge from the Enterprise’s engineering computer in Q Who. Voyager and Enterprise retcons not withstanding. They chose Picard because he was the first Starfleet captain they had met. So they already knew him.
2-The other reason they created Locutus? Does anyone remember that Voyager episode “Faces”. Remember how that Vidiian was trying to make Klingon-Belanna love him but he was deformed? So he thought “If I take her friend, cut off his face and wear it, she will be more comfortable around me.” Naturally, Belanna was horrified and enraged. I think the Borg operated on the same warped logic. “If WE ask them to submit to assimilation they will get scared and try to fight us…but if PICARD, a respected and decorated Starfleet captain, asks them they will feel comfortable and more receptive to assimilation.
@@bigevil1001 Yeah that was my understanding.
For years we have been hearing about how badly scarred Starfleet was because of Wolf 359. I like the way you said that they finally got a little payback. Just enough to take on the Dominion. "Both afraid and un-afraid"
Well done! Love the art including the Centaur class!
there needs to be a short series devoted to this battle because it went on for quite a while and it would truly be interesting to see an AXANAR style in-universe fanfic on this.
I really wish there had been a DS9 episode tying this into First Contact. Starfleet could've used the same argument with Sisko, that his experience at Wolf 359 might interfere with his judgement if he commanded the Defiant, and that Lt. Cmdr Worf would be better suited for the mission. That could've been a great segment, if not a whole episode....
Could have easily made an episode of that, but it would be a natural pick for a B plot, for sure.
@@Azraiel213 Sisko on edge as he deals with Dukat until finally he breaks down attacking Dukat. He's not even fighting because he's too filled with rage and fear.
Dukat's seen this look before, he knows it well, part of him wants to gloat but he knows Sisko isn't a Bajoran under Cardassian Occupation. Very quietly he asks. "What's happened? Is your son okay?"
Sisko glares at him.
For a moment Dukat thinks Sisko's going to attack him again.
Instead Sisko says quietly. "It's the Borg. They're on route to Earth. Worf's taken the Defiant to help but I'm -"
"Too valuable." says Dukat.
"Compromised." admits Sisko.
Wow...just wow 👏👏👏
The art and your storytelling is just epic. Regardless if this is canon or not, this is the greatest story I've heard in a WHILE.
Thank you, I needed this. 🤘
When they say ramming speed that indicates a pre determined velocity. Mabey ramming speed just means as fast as you can go. However I've always wondered if someone in Starfleet actually did the math and determined the optimal speed in order to ram another ship.
The purpose of ramming is a desperation attack basically willing to win to end if not severely cripple the target. Cause a full warp impact would be more useful though a warp core breach from a rammer into a crippled ship could do alot of damage
@@jkeelsnc The engineers saved that futile effort. Self destruct systems (and nothing else this would be) always fail when you need it and only work if someone took over your ship and wants to threaten you ;-)
Its starfleet, crewed by humans, they dont think if they should, jsut if they could. So yes, i m 100% certain, that they calculate this for every ship, even if only for the fun of it
@jkeelsnc Maybe that's part of "ramming speed". Like battle stations or abandon ship, it's a pre-determined brevity command. The crew just pushes in the command and the ship takes it on autopilot
Very intriguing and breath-taking fantastic tale of the events of first contest and of the federation standing up and sending a two fingered salute to the borg, that resistance is not futile. Intriguing twisted reasoning of tying second borg invasion into desperation and looking for a way to defeat species 8472. As we saw from Voyager, lengths Borg were willing to go to in that respect.
Plus was great to see just how much better and strategically able due to the new types of ship classes and strategy and tactics, that Starfleet had come up with over the six years grace they had been afforded to really hit the borg were it hurt and pound them to destruction and going toe to toe with them. Giving them a fleet capable of defeating the borg, but also of fighting a massive long attrition war against the Dominion a few years later.
acquisition
I liked how the Oberth's managed to do some very useful duties in this! Nice battle description as well, the 'rolling attacks' leading up to a swarm made sense here. Some punishing attacks from 'mere' photon torpedoes having a great effect, not so unlike the first encounter with the Enterprise D.
The business with the Undine, Species 8472, also suggesting why the Borg only sent one cube to do the job.
I think they are perfect too. Too useless and weak to be any threat, thus being utterly ignored, while they do the vital job to ensure communications. Hiding the Ace in plain sight and dangling it in front of the blind Borg.
More drama, more emotions, this was great to listen to.
Ok now I'm pumped to see how he does the battles of Toros III and Tyra
"Vaulting Ambition". I see what you did there. 🙂
I almost feel sorry for the Borg, they were desperate and looking for a way to survive. This attack was their hail marry.
i'm glad that came across.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Its also hilarious considering who came out of the blue to safe the Borgs arses...Humanity
They are the future all hail the Borg collective
Starfleet saved Earth from the Borg then saved the Borg from 8472. Damn you Voyager.
Splendid job there. A really nice touch to astro-politically link 8472 with sector 001. I don't know if the dates actually work out, but even if they don't then they ought to. There was one thing that you didn't fully follow up on, though I think you did it intentionally as some things are better left obvious but unsaid: the nefarious implication for Picard's absence from the beginning of the battle. Lore Reloaded had a good explanation but this is even better.
they don't work out Battle of 001 was over a year before the Borg made first contact with 8472
We've learned since Wolf 359. This is a vicious slugathon. The Borg are now facing a violent, unpredictable enemy that takes no prisoners.
With the 2D gameboard like animations with the 'Borg Buster' ships, like the Akira and Steamrunner classes, their flat shape really looks like the NX-01 Enterprise - Which, in turn, makes me think that when the Federation Engineers were creating them they drew inspiration from or used the template of the NX-01 Enterprise, the rough and sturdy frontiersmen used by Archer, one of the Founders of the Federation. This is in contrast to how the 'Luxury Hotel Palace' that is the Galaxy class was based on the more sophisticated and stylish Constitution class of the Swashbuckling Cowboy days that is Kirk's Era.
The neat 'head-canon' idea that when the Federation needed to reinvent and upgun their military abilities, they go back to their roots, those roots being the lessons hard learned by Captain Jonathon Archer. Seeing they need to use the dirty pick-up truck instead of the designer sports car.
Then that all convolutedly ties back into the Time Loop that is the relationship between the movie 'Star Trek: First Contact' and the Star Trek Enterprise episode 'Regeneration' (2x23).
Task Force Omega: "Resistance is Inevitable."
Also, the inclusion of Species 8472 gave me chills. Your creativity with back story and motivation is genius. It explains every question I've had about the inconsistencies of First Contact and Scorpion
glad i could help
I do like the original intent of First Contact to have the Borg arrive as multiple Cubes. It would make the Borg less weird sending one only and give greater strength to Starfleet taken down more than one cube in a running battle.
Awesome job! Imagine what you would do writing a Star Trek series in the original timeline!
I miss the original timeline. The new Trek is not for me, I cannot embrace it. Channels like yours are all that is left for an old fan like me. Thank you!
ive learned more about star trek from u then i have from anyone else 😊
One of the most memorable fights and scenes I can recall from next generation
Another amazing video, thanks for all your hard work.
Me: The Borg are old news. Venom Geek: Paraphrases Doctor Who.
Excellent input about PTSD among soldiers who survive a battle of near annihilation, Sir.
Wooooooo!!!!! You make it sound like we're there!
Wow lol ur opening monologue was so epic, u should become a author or some kind of writer
It is so cool that, there are beings that could withstand the Borg..The Borg attacked from Starfleet has changed their tatics..
Wow what a powerful video!!! The music and the descriptions of the battles almosts puts you there. And it was interesting that by winning the battle, they may have saved Species 8472.
I like the line when he says the perfect organism the line from Alien
Your videos are getting better and better!
i appreciate how you gave the Oberths a valuable role and valid reason to be there. Nice to see them be useful instead of cannon fodder, again
If I recall, Oberths did rather well at Sector 001. We didn't see any destroyed on screen, same with the Nebula, Miranda and even the Norway class. The Akira, Saber and worst of all the Steamrunners were the ones being blown to smithereens. The Oberth reputation as canon fodder is only limited to one movie and three episodes of TNG. We saw the Enterprise-D destroyed more times than that.
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The various sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our own frightful position therein, that we should either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."
-- Howard Phillips Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"
The way tells the account of these battles and his imagery is by far way better than Hollywood's version. I have seen this movie a dozen times over the years and never felt as engaged, doubtful and hopeful at the same we time. My family tells me I can spin a tell with the best of 'em but next to this guy I am a listener.
another excellent video! great work!
I like this--it finally explains why Earth was so important to the Borg, and also why they only managed to send a single cube.
That was great! Well done.
My absolute favourite sequence in all of TNG, defiant class ship bridge, a hand appears, suddenly the kingon theme starts, worf pulls himself up. His officer informs him everything is offline, he slams his fist on his console in anger.
Then in a last act of defiance. “Perhaps today is a good day to die. Prepared for ramming speed!”
Que the cavalry, aka the enterprise, riding to the rescue.
Picard had info on Q. Q saved them at the first encounter by clicking his fingers , this fascinated the Borg and peaked their curiosity’s.
The Borg already had info on the Q. Remember, Guinin's people, the El'Orians had many dealings with the Q, enough to hint that they could rival the Q, were assimilated in the late 23rd Century.
WOW just WOW. Keep up the great work.
That was a really totally amazing video I can't wait 2 C your nxt video
There is a wild card, Voyager.
Wauw you just blew my mind
Awesome, well done.
Also came up with something from this and assimilate this to work in a Major Fleet Formation
If go with 400 that make at least 16 Task Forces of 25 ships per in each part assign to cover
Federation Fleet (400 Ships/8 Battle Groups/16 Task Forces)
2 x Sovereign class Battleships
40 x Galaxy class Battleships
28 x Nebula class Battlecruisers
8 x Akira class Heavy Cruisers
48 x Excelsior class Heavy Cruisers
56 x Steamrunner class Light Cruisers
4 x New Orleans class Light Cruisers
8 x Norway class Destroyers
8 x Intrepid class Heavy Frigates
8 x Centaur class Heavy Frigates
88 x Saber class Heavy Frigates
80 x Defiant class Light Frigates
16 x Miranda class Light Frigates
6 x Oberth class Support Ships
Here are the forces of the Fleet broken up and numbers in each per
2 Anti Borg Task Forces (50 Ships)
1 x Sovereign class Battleships
4 x Akira class Heavy Cruisers
4 x Steamrunner class Light Cruisers
4 x Norway class Destroyers
8 x Saber class Heavy Frigates
4 x Defiant class Light Frigates
2 Command Groups (50 Ships)
2 x Galaxy class Battleships
2 x Nebula class Battlecruisers
2 x New Orleans class Cruisers
4 x Intrepid class Heavy Frigates
4 x Centaur class Heavy Frigates
8 x Miranda class Light Frigates
3 x Oberth class Support Ships
12 Battle Groups (300 Ships)
3 x Galaxy class Battleships
2 x Nebula class Battlecruisers
4 x Excelsior class Heavy Cruisers
4 x Steamrunner class Light Cruisers
6 x Saber class Heavy Frigates
6 x Defiant class Light Frigates
This is design so Starfleet can use its specialized ships as fast responders why 2 Command Groups so not everyone taken out and 12 set up each sector or part with reserves to plug gaps on the line like chess each able to support the other groups and fast response to reinforce why many of the older multirole ships unlike Excelsior design for battle in the Cold War support the Command Ships in the Command Group why Intrepids to serve as fast scouts for the Fleet
Of course older Ambassadors and Constellations regulated to rear duties and supply as the USS Stargazer a runner in the Cardassian War making sure what got to where needed base on the Picard Bio Novel as part of its duties. Why Galaxies freed up by Ambassadors likely not many built as was Galaxy plan for 6 to 12 hulls when launch so at least keeping up the Ambassador name sake as can serve as a Home Guard. Why Mirandas replacing there loss activated hulls or supply so say Support Group so a Fleet some 500
4 x Support Group (100)
1 Ambassador class Heavy Cruiser
8 Constellation class Heavy Frigate
16 Miranda class Light Frigate
Plus serve as medical or recovery ships while also help out the Galaxies by augmenting there command and control as one thing at Sector 001 we learn the importance of equally supported groups of a team.
Sadly none of these groups were at the Federation Klingon War as no one wanted to jump the gun before things got real to stop it as Task Force Alpha was too far away to help in time and likely remain there just encase
Many of these new Anti Borg Taskforces that be the Fleet QRF likely in the works and added after the battle when ready to the 20 Fleets and boost up Starfleet to at least 10000 Vessels in this plus say the other 60000 are Runabouts that inflate the Starfleet numbers to match up
Star Trek First Contact has Picard having a telepathic link to the Borg through some of his dreams... so it kind of fits that Locutus remains in a sense; plus Dahj in Star Trek Picard tracked him down and sought sanctuary with him at one point at that.
Another amazing battlescape
If the borg had sent more than one ship,the federation would be a memory...
I can't wait to see this 😊😊😊
Another excellent episode.
Basically he planned to caracal and swarm the cube until it was no more in existence, Sir.
Been looking forward to this!!!!!!!
We need a breakdown of the FIRST Battle of Sector 001... The Final Charge of the Mars Defense Perimeter!
I've done that... wolf 359
I have this movie and love it
same probably my favorite.
Now I have to go watch First Contact , this was a great lead off for it.
like rouge one i hope.
Can't wait for you to do The Dominion War respect dude this is amazing :)
Three Oberths fought in this and they all survived.
This is beautiful.
Set my reminder.😁
I can't wait!
I really wish there was a DS9 episode that tied the series into First Contact, it would've been a great break from the Dominion story....
That was cool. Thank you
13:21 thats alot of lost quantum torpedoes!
Janeway made the Borg REALLY pay!
I had no idea as to what the Undine had to do with the Battle of Sector 001. It’s rather interesting to find they influenced the Borg to take that course of action. By the way, the Undine is what Star Trek Online calls Species 8472 so that’s my name for them.
You earned a subscription today very very impressive
Narrator speaks so slowly it's easily possible to watch this a 2x speed.
I was thinking on something and we all forgot one thing as looking back the Commander of the Federation 2nd Fleet is a Vulcan and likely one of the few veteran flag officers from many conflicts to still be around to fight the Dominion and likely the 4 years war against the Klingon while likely not take a flag command till situation demanded as Starfleet force to promote officers to fill areas like Commodores, Rear Admirals, Vice Admirals, Admirals and Fleet Admiral well she might be old school but thats something we need right now more Flag Officers to command formations.
yeah that was a real problem come the dominion war.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 There is also Fleet Captains or senior Captains options with 5 pips instead of the 4
With most of the primary fleets engage older ships like the Ambassador and Constellation regulated to rear duties and doing what its name Ambassador means there is also the ships too far away to return to war still the discovery of the loss USS Voyager a great morale boost for the Fleet as Starfleet loss so much to hear one ship thought loss alone and still alive a great boost plus someone still carrying on the dream.
Also have a idea on the Intrepid as the failure of the USS Voyager in its first mission likely delayed or limited to what have till bugs work out and regulated to secondary missions thus why we see one as a fast transport in the war.
The USS Voyager was retired after its return from the Delta as without proper maintance and add ons so on plus Starfleet protecting the ship that made it 7 years it was vital she be a symbol.
I Love Star Trek and I Love The 'BORG' + Q.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I will keep watching the show to the day I "DIE".!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I wish Paramount Plus would make a new T.V. Game show like Jeopardy?
Picard had *been* a Borg commander, and he knew what that message about their power-grid fluctuating meant.
These are great!!!!
Nice!
Well done. Your videos help me during hard times.
glad i could help.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 You do, sir. You do. Keep it up, fellow officer. 🖖
This story sent shivers down my spine!🥶🥶
Alright now this time it's gonna be different let's go get them.
I wish they had made a movie about this battle instead of using it as an excuse for a time travel story.
This cube looks massive.
Not a word about the Borg's REAL human nemesis...Captain Kathryn Janeway, of USS Voyager!
Sips coffee ☕️
Rather loving the intro to this video, that combines the opening to Alien, HP Lovecraft and a dose of Doctor Who if I'm not mistaken
not many spotted the doctor who reference...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Its a second Doctor reference and most people only seem to be aware of Doctor who from Tom Baker on down, but I do remember Peter Trouton's "The darkest Corners of the universe" speech and was slightly disappointed you didn't include the end of it with "They Must Be Fought"
@@weldonwin Patrick Trouton easily my favorite of the classic series.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 He also introduced me to the exclamation "Oh My Giddy Aunt!"
@@weldonwin gubbins was also another favorite of his.