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I think it’s possible that Rory being the more “mature one” in her household made Rory think that she was more put together and capable than she actually was.
Yeah there was a video explaining this very well. Rory didn't get to be a teenager when she was supposed to be a teenager because her mother took up that role.
I think Rory's downfall is pretty realistic. She grew up being adored and treated like a saint by everyone, so when she went to college and started living in the "real world" she realised she just wasn't that special and crackled. Tbh I think that if her relashionship with Jess had worked out things would be different, since he was one of the few people who called out Rory on her bs.
Likewise. Rory begins to crack when Logan's dad tells her that he doesn't think that she has the potential to be a successful journalist, sparking off her rebellion and dropping out of Yale, her dream school. And he's proven right later on, since Rory does completely unprofessional things, such as fall asleep when interviewing a source, and fail to prepare at a job interview.
Completely agree about the first part. This is why the reunion mostly worked for me. Re: relationships, she needed to learn to be on her own, and never did. That's why I'm Team Rory Gets Therapy instead of any guy.
Rory really was the daughter that Emily and Richard wanted. Reliant on them, basically full of herself, but smart enough to go to the best schools like they did. I guess in someway Lorelei saw that stuff as bad and turned away, that’s why every time she runs into an issue with her mom she runs right to her grandparents because they fill up her ego in someway
So true! Lorelai knew what was best for her! Her parents didn’t! She knew staying at home with baby Rory and getting spoiled with gifts wouldn’t help her mature as a woman and as a mom! She needed to leave get herself a job to provide for her and Rory! Yes, she put big expectations on Rory and and acted as if Rory was the most innocent child ever and treated her more like a best friend because she didn’t want a her-and-Emily type of relationship-she didn’t want Rory to end up like her which hasn’t turned out bad at all but she wanted Rory to have a great academic foundation in life! She called her out when she was in the wrong! She provided for Rory as much as she could by herself but even then, I love how she wasn’t too full of pride to ask her parents for money for Chilton! Her humility, honesty and hardworking spirit makes her my favourite character!
Rory is the character that doesn’t think she is privileged because of her upbringing. Ever since her mom got in touch with her grandparents, she got comfortable and ran to them for everything. It’s not surprising that Rory turned out the way she did.. No one called her out on her mess most of the time and she got used to be praised by everyone in her life.
Also you have to take into account that Rory was not born into the most idyllic family context. As someone born in the same context as hers, no matter how love and material benefits you receive, you suffer a lot because of that, especially as a child.
@@dodgers02007 That’s a really good point. It’s like she shifted from wanting to be a great journalist who really got into the trenches to wanting to just be seen as a successful, special Yale educated journalist. It’s hard to believe that she couldn’t even get a job at a less-prestigious-than NYT paper with her degree. It’s probably her attitude that kept her from being able to get a more than decent reporting job.
@@keckm88 and to add her special Yale educated Gilmore ego was her biggest fault. If she didn't spend her time crying over boys and actually wrote in college; she would've known how to become a successful journalist.
Tbh Paris was my favorite character, whilst she had the same privileges (wealthy, good schools) she completely understood the importance of being driven and hard work. Unlike Rory it was often implied that she didn't have a deep relationship with either of her parents, instead her nanny comes to support her at her graduation bringing along her children (or grandchildren) who Paris knows and has also developed relationships with. In the 'Year' episodes its obvious that her hard work has paid off as she is very successful (there are still some imperfections with her life but she acknowledges them and you feel that she will put in the work to move forward).
Paris knew she was one in the pack of hard-working people, with access to the same privilege, so she needed to push more. Also, once her parents have taxes problems, she went to look for a job, and while she was intensely asking for feedback on the waitress job, it points to the main difference between Paris and Rory, Paris was always looking to get better, Rory assumed she was perfect.
Paris understood that she was part of a legacy. She didn't want to be the weak link, whether it came to being Puffed or getting into Harvard. She wanted to be the best and had the drive to accomplish it.
@@sonias9722 totally, and she actually started to see a kind of therapist after that (Even is the series treat this like a joke). It was somehow helpful that she got less and less idealistic relationships and that people didn't like her
EXACTLY! I dont understand why so many people critic rory. Of course she makes a lot of mistakes, but so as everybody, especially as they grown up... Lorelai have her moments too. I like the ideia that lorelai went to a different path to what everybody expected for her and had a good life, as rory she did everything to have a life of sucess and didnt get it, but when she decided to do a different thing that was planned (write a personal book) it seemed it turned alright. I think that the big ideia of the show - at least that what I think of.
@@marinasedycias I like this idea too, honestly I thinj her failure is not only because she was a privileged milennia I think it's all about potential and how sometimes you cant meet the expectations.
Maybe it has to do with many people having watched the show while they were younger, themselves putting Rory on a pedestal and thinking of her as a role model. I remember watching Gilmore Girls when I was older, and while I really liked the show and the characters, I couldn't help but think that Rory was just too perfect and unrealistic. I'm glad they showed her imperfect side
That’s not the problem for me. Rory not being successful at 30 is perfectly acceptable and normal. It’s how she reacted and handled not being the superstar success she thought she should be by 30.
My favourite character is Lane, she managed to do things by herself learning independency by taking a job, married the guy she loved, having two babies, following her dream in music and having to continue her family's business which during the whole show was a good way to make money.
OMG no ! Lane appears to be the first clue of what is coming for Rory. Poor Lane, she was and wanna be free, transgressive, an artist living for her art all across the country, the opposite of her mother's lifestyle... And she ended up no having sex before marriage, having twins after one intercourse, claiming that good sex is a pop culture lie, she will never leave Stars Hollow and she works with her mother to raise a family. I assume she's happy, of course, but she failed on her own way just like Rory did.
@@oliviafortin9197 I loved lanes ark until she got engaged to zack. She should’ve turned him down and started her own band, and then in the reboot we could see her working as a producer or smth
I thought it was so bizarre that Paris didn’t get into Harvard and Rory did considering Paris did better than her in school AND had generations of her family go there before her.
She blew the interview. Remember the recording? She was rude. But yale worked out well and later she did go to Harvard. Because while Rory thought well done with college I'm gonna be a superstar now because I'm a Gilmore and bc everyone likes me, Paris went to medical school and law school finished Harvard and yale and achieved a lot. Rory didn't even grow up or learn to adapt to journalism of the 21st century
While you're all correct about Paris screwing up her interview, in the real world all she needed was for daddy to write a check and that big envelope would have been on it's way. Especially if they have a Harvard legacy.
Rory was the type of girl who wanted to struggle but not really struggle. She liked the look and feel of it but as long as she had a safety net. I’ve heard some say Jess was better because he called her out on her sh*t but so did Logan. Rory was the only one who didn’t see it.
Logan after her story after his party. I think it was the chip Lorelai put, like being rich is bad, and somehow they are better because they "struggle". That is my problem with Jess when he talked to Rory that they used to mock people like Logan.
A safety net is not a bad thing, almost everyone has one somewhere. Jess got help from Luke. Even Lorelai, who we see as this incredibly independent pioneer woman, actually had a lot of help from the people of Stars Hollow, the hotel she started working for let her live onsite with a baby. She made it into the paper even, as you see in the revival, presumably so people could drop by and help. I think Lorelai couldn't help seeing herself as more sophisticated and the townspeople as essentially sitcom characters, because lets face it, that is what they were for the most part and she needed to stay sane (she's not from that world, we get it) but she learns to live and let live as well. They let her talk fast, for example. Rory's mistake was to see herself as above the safety net of Stars Hollow, and allow herself to be manipulated by her grandparents' wealth, which is a different kind of safety net.
Logan did call her out on occasion, but he also enabled some of her worst behavior. And he was always quick to use his connections in various situations. Logan's biggest obstacle was that he felt forced to work for his father, and yet he never seriously considers just walking away and forging his own path.
Both Lorelai and Rory are very guilty of this. Lorelai runs to mom and dad for money for Rory's private education. That irritated me, what was wrong with public school? Lorelai knows she wont really struggle, parents are there for her.
The thing I don't like about the pregnancy with Rory is that it feeds into the idea that you grow up once you become a parent. That's not true, and is a dangerous way of thinking.
I disagree, I thought that was perfect for her character - Rory was raised by a young, immature mother who acted more like a teenager than an adult, got pregnant by accident, and parentified her. That was all rory knew, and then she went on to continue the cycle, becoming the same hot mess her mother was (albeit later in life) and also ending up with an accidental pregnancy. I didn’t feel it promoted being a parent at all, quite the opposite. But I thought it was very realistic for rory’s character specifically to end up that way.
I had the exact same thought. I also wish there were more legitimately child free representation in media because parenthood isn't for everyone nor is it some inevitability that everyone has to face. I understand that it takes the show full circle, but I still wish they had gone in a different direction.
I think for a pregnancy in the plot for Rory's character makes more sense than the terrible turnout that was written for Lane, a very loveable character through the whole series and she end up pregnant with twins after having sex the first time on her honeymoon and both her and Zack absolutely did not want kids, she even tells Rory this baby sucks when she finds out lol
I mean she's been sexually active for like 5 years by the time the show ended I'm surprised she wasn't pregnant before this. And just Bc she's pregnant now doesn't mean she's keeping it.
@Kirtu you’re right but the difference is that Logan has been out in the real world and knew the real world can be cruel. Rory was always sheltered and coddled by everyone growing up, from her mom to her grandparents to the rest of Stars Hallow. Once she enters the real world and takes criticism she doesn’t respond to it well. Everyone’s gonna take some shots. It’s all about how you respond. Rory thinks her life is a straight line but learns the hard way how things don’t always go your way.
Honestly as a young girl I saw Rory as a role model, to just work diligently and do what I'm told, and thought that everything else would fall into place. Now I find myself in a similiar situation, with some of the same bad traits. Only difference is boys/men didn't magically fall in love with me, and my shyness wasn't seen as "adorable" and my parents/grandparents didn't have money, still I somehow ended up entitled and with that same mentality, that I was "supposed to be successful". I take this video as inspiration to work on myself.
It's beautiful that you are able to see your mistakes! I would say I am in the same position as you, and I believe firmly that is never too late to improve. Honestly, it's nice to see other people going through this, good luck with everything!
Honestly, same here. My boomer parents lived out their 'Rory life' but back then the economy was different. They got a job they wanted right after college, I didn't. And they were the average middle class people growing up. No connections at high places or anything like that. Even now with a phd and somewhat on track to a research career, I still feel like I'm following a not-so-well-thought-out path. On the other hand, it really is just getting more and more difficult to get a job, ANY job. I can only hope the generation raised by millennials would have a more realistic and grounded upbringing than the one I had. Social media influence aside.
Same! I'm a millennial raised by boomers. I had a similar upbringing to Rory. Always told how brilliant, special, and mature I was but also disparaged whenever I struggled. I became completely averse to risk & failure by the time I was in high school. I knew something was wrong so I joined the military, but that just made things worse. I'm living down the consequences now. I think tho as long as you learn from your mistakes (which aren't really mistakes), that IS the success. The rest is just status in the eyes of others.
I feel you. I grew up as a "prodigy" child, always being told by parents, relatives and teachers how smart I was and that I had such a bright future ahead. Only when I got to college did I realize how average I was and that I had no determination to study and apply myself; I had good grades at school with very little effort but that just wouldn't do anymore. I never learned how to overcome a challenge and never felt the need to do so. Now, at almost 30, I have a degree in engineering that I feel no connection to whatsoever, and feel I wouldn't even know what to do with. I'm working at a job that is nowhere near what I'd like to be doing and pays just enough to make ends meet. Still, I'm so afraid of challenges that I'd rather stay at the same unfulfilling job being underpaid than take a risk at something else. I also think my lack of experience in my field makes me more and more unhirable as I get older. Thing is, I am aware of the problem and what made me like this. What I lack now is the knowledge and the courage to break free from it and try to change my life.
@@wonipowa7542 Thank you, I appreciate that. Although it arguably set me back, I do feel my head is on straight now and that I have the self-awareness & empathy I was missing before. If that's all I'm here to accomplish, I'm happy with that 😊
For me, Rory's downfall really started when she dropped out of Yale in season 5/6, but her weaknesses are even hinted at in earlier seasons, like when she had a meltdown in Chilton because she failed one test. I think Lorelai was so focused on providing her opportunities and making sure she got everything she wanted that she never properly taught Rory how to deal with the one thing we will all inevitably encounter: failure. Sometimes even being smart and doing your best is not good enough to secure success.
Also, what happens to Rory happens in real life to many children who are pushed towards the achievement of perfection, but don't have the necessary amount of stamina and end up being delusional. In the end of the day Rory did not have any real goal, she was just obsessed with an idealized vision of Harvard, like she was living in some dark academia fantasy.
@@gianmarcorusso1713 Oh, yes! I was this talented kid. To be wunderkid at 10 it is enough to be able to read faster than others, play the accordion, and draw a little. Fortunately, I realized early enough that I am pretty regelar person and there are a lot of people who smarter than me. So I stopped watching the show in season 5, Rory started to piss me off, I began to see myself in her.
As the show progressed, I couldn't help getting more and more uncomfortable with the way Rory was acting. She was amazing in the first seasons, but then she became a bad person, entitled to getting her way and never taking responsibility for her actions. That's the saddest thing ever to me
exactly. and she carried on her self centered behavior in the revival, from her expecting an easy job offer, to the cheating. luckily I've met a lot of millenials with more sense than her, though 🤣
Logan was 100% on the "you're one of us" speech. She was judging and looking down on her friends, peers, and boyfriend yet while they were growing up and setting goals she was stuck on the judgment box and "I'm not one of you" trope. I loved that moment when Logan ripped the bandaid off and showed her the privilege she has.
This privilege you speak of is what the palladino’s disdain or they thought their audience secretly wanted to see Rory fail? Because most of the audience let’s face, it doesn’t have the privilege that Rory had . otherwise they wouldn’t have Rory fail towards the end . Sort of a writing slap in the face of people like the Gilmores. And a pat on the back or reinforcement for those who believe in a more socialistic environment?
She has to feel different if she wants to achieve something. There is no success when people feel entirely like their average-performing friends. However it's true she should have kept that opinion to herself.
I think it’s meant to be more when Rory was a baby... when the show starts they are much more settled but it’s implied they actually hit several markers of poverty before then
The way Rory repeatedly forgot about Paul in the revival irked me. Then I realised that she was so used to being fawned over in her small town, that once she got to college, and realised that everyone was just as smart as her, she couldn't take it, and used him as a crutch.
@@mfmageiwatch It must be nice to live in a small perfect bubble where someone pointing out that a white person has privilege is racism to you. Get a grip
@@kerrysater157 lorelai IS selfish and entitled and has a long line of unsuccessful relationships just because she wasnt mature enough to work on them so she just bailed everytime She treats her parents horribly and never once takes a step back and reflect on how her actions were part of the problem Often took advantage of people around her especially luke Raised rory horribly by literally worshipping her and almost never reprimending her and projecting her failed life onto her, she was always a friend first and a parent second, she boosted rorys ego relentlessly and overall was just as horrible as rory if not more since she was the main reason behind rorys spoiled attitude
@@wonder0663 I get what she did in her relationships and specially to luke was wrong. But Lorelai wasn’t entitled. Her parents treated her horribly so she treated them the same but less severe.
I think class was a HUGE part of Rory's downfall. Let's not forget, she turned down a permanent, full time writing job with a salary and a 401K at a less well known, less prestigious newspaper for a chance at a 6 month, unpaid internship with arguably one of the most famous newspapers in the world. Any person who needs a job to pay rent and bills knows that's a pretty easy decision to make, but Rory turns up her nose at it because she has no concept of money due to constantly being bailed out by Emily and Richard.
Agree. I feel that what really happened was she got confused bc she had 2 distinctively different lives/POVs thrown at her at the same time at a formative stage in her life and she couldn’t separate and analyse them so she made choices from a very confused sense of self. In the very end, Logan’s privilege enhanced that side of her as well. She was making choices that a Season 1 or 2 Rory would never make bc even if she felt defeated or found some difficulties, S1&2 Rory would always work harder. She didn’t back down and just give up like Rory giving up after Mitchum told her she didn’t have it. S1&2 Rory would NEVER react that way.
She reminds me of the book Andy from the Devil Wears Prada. In the book, Andy constantly acts like she's too good to be there and that everything asked of her is too much. Rory doesn't see the value of being a part of something small and seeing how it will have a huge impact on her life. Take my best friend. She didn't come from a rich family but wanted to be an artist. She found a way to go to school without debt, has worked shitty gig work jobs to make ends meet, and even subs at the school I work at from time to time.All while running an LLC because she knows this will land her eventually where she wants to be. Compare that to my sister inlaw who is like Rory. She's never had a real job and refuses to grow in any meaningful way.
Dean didn't deserve her. He broke up with a 15-year-old girl because he was emotionally manipulative and possessive. Rory wasn't sure if she loved him and wasn't ready to say it. That's what emotionally manipulative men do, try to manipulate the emotions of other people.
@@sdarling6518 I really hate this opinion and here is why-- you label Rory as a child, and Dean-- who is the exact same age as Rory a "man", what's the difference? They were both kids figuring shit out, this id the one case I call it a draw between the two but Rory cheated on Dean and continued to be with him and also be mad at Jess for no reason. Rory treated Dean terribly, point blank.
Tbh I believe that was quite realistic. Rory tried her best to convince herself that she didn't have feelings for Jess, hence continued the relationship with Dean since she did love him, and he treated her well (contrary to popular belief, I dont think he treated her well since he was quite emotionally manipulative). The love triangle (sorta) between the three, is really common in high school so I personally believe it was understandable. Dean didn't deserve it but it happens
Emily and Richard are 100% old money, they’ve been wealthy their entire lives. I think Lorelai could be working to upper middle class. By today’s standards she would be upper but back then probably only working middle class. The money issues came and went whenever the story called for it, but at the same time she could afford to eat out everyday...
Very definitely so. Upper class is often not acknowledged in popular culture, but they exist. What would middle class even mean if there weren't an upper class?
Honestly, I love Lorelai's character, but a lot of what makes up Rory's downfall is the way Lorelai raised her. She always complimented her a bit too often. She inflated her daughter's ego all the time. She also never really reprimanded her except maybe a couple times, but it never stuck and it seemed like she always gave in for fear of Rory not liking her or not talking to her. It's understandable to a degree because Lorelai tried so hard to be the opposite of her own mother, but it ended up hurting Rory's growth and development.
Agreed. Plus, we know who to look to to figure out where Rory learned to treat her boyfriends so badly. I loved Lorelai's character when I first watched the show in college, but I watched it again when the reboot came out, and I found her so immature.
@@AllthePrettyPurses Exactly. She handled a lot of situations very poorly. Yes, me too. Honestly to me, it seemed like Lorelai grew up and matured over the series while Rory regressed and became more immature. I definitely like Rory more at the beginning and Lorelai better at the end.
I think that Lorelai depended too much on her daughter due to her own immaturity. That is why she wasn't able to function correctly as parent and a grown-up person.
Bah! BS. The only reason Rory has issues at age 30 is because the mtr fkr script writer wrote it so. She is a fictitious character, the writer just by fingering on a keyboard can change her problems into a blissful successful life.
It's so interesting. It's like GGs is showing two types of motherhood to avoid. Emily with her constant criticism, and Lorelai with her constant praise. They're opposites in terms of their emotional color, but ultimately they're both setting rigid expectations of the child. Lorelai at least has the temperament to break away from the overbearing home life and forge her own path. But the near constant praise turned the easygoing and naturally gifted Rory into somewhat of a narcissist, without skills to cope with adversity.
Agreed,I both thought the more I watch them the more I remember how my mom acted near me,& it was just mind blowing knowing this show had two parents of two types of narcissism. If there was another GG tv show with,Rory’s child I hope she treated her kid to be independent,if not at least we saw Jess & Lane breaking the cycle of their families problems,but I mean they at least matured! If you be independent & not mature then that’s just as bad!
The problem with Rory´s downfall is how lacks self awareness. She sleeps with a married man ;still is the very small town´s favorite girl, drops out of yale ; still graduates with honors ,cheats on her boyfriend with an engaged ex and is a terrible worker ; the camera focusses on her face and sad music as if i had to feel sorry for her. The deconstruction of a character can be good, but with Rory the narrative espected me to side with her and have no sympathy with the people she hurt (oh haha, she is so funny that she can't remember breaking up with her boyfriend, haha) , i hated her so much on the revival.
Honestly, I felt that the narrative was very neutral on its commentary of her. We see the world through the eyes of Lorelai and Rory (and to a lesser extent Luke and Emily) and through that lens we're going to see how things affect her emotionally. It's a deconstruction of her character through her own eyes-she can't see it, and so it's hard for us to see it, but if you step back you definitely CAN see it. But that's done intentionally, because I think the show is showing how easy it is for a person to become that way without them even realizing it, because even the viewer will see it without realizing that this is really the intention for her character. Idk if I'm saying this right, but I feel that the show portrayed her very honestly and let us form our own opinions on her rather than provide commentary on its characters through structure and emphasis.
@@rishaa682 She learns to chills out more in a year of the life and ends up owning her own successful business despite not getting into the university of her choice and having major accomplishments passes by her by Rory. She's a hard worker who learns to take rejection and still continues to work hard and eventually succeed and I think those are great qualities to aspire towards.
Rory's not a journalist and never was. Even watching when it aired, it never seemed like the right profession for her: she's so introverted and logical and needs structure; journalism doesn't suit her.
Seriously. Rory thrived in organizational roles, not in investigative ones. Event management might have been a good career for her, but as an actual career and not as a hobby like her grandmother did it basically.
Rory may not be a likable character but this series can definitely happen in real life. Watching this made me reflect on myself and think of the person I don't want to be.
exactly. i related a lot to season one rory; shy, quiet, loving to read, striving for perfection at school... but as the seasons progressed, i got really scared that i was going to turn out like she did because i pretty much hear the same things she did (you're so smart, wow so talented, you will do amazing in life, you can do anything) from people around me. this show actually makes you reflect on your choices. i think the only reason im not failing like her is because im not an only child (lol) which kind of helps to usually reflect on what i say and do and how others feel, and rory is just nice out of manners, she is very immature
@@kirtu9035 I tried avoiding this show cause it makes me think of my hs self where I wasn’t the academic gifted person but someone who didn’t like school. As I have entered to uni things have gotten better & learned things thru. Ngl a lot of the stuff I do is by doing “life hacks” cause I don’t like wasting my time yk 😅
Soooo, no one is going to point out how she didn't really have a healthy relationship with Lorelai. They were more friends than mother and daughter. Lorelai failed repeatedly to put boundaries and be a parent instead of a bff.
Lorelai was 16 and came from the trauma of her house when she had Rory. So instead of being a mum like her own mum, she decides to be a BFF to Rory. maybe a BFF type of relationship that she wanted from her own mum.... my thoughts
exactly, Lorelai put the standard of Rory being the nature one of the house, that is a pressure no kid should have to deal with. Lorelai did not act like an adult
One of my favorites. And it was so interesting how offended she was. "No, I'm the poor little girl who's Mom was a maid. I lived in a shed!" Except she was also a Gilmore and since she was 16, getting all the advantages that being the granddaughter of Richard and Emily afforded her.
Notably, in season 7, which had a completely different writing staff. And don't get me wrong, it was not a good season, but all the good things that happened in it, that could have put people on a better path, were walked back in the revival when the Palladinos got the show back.
@@rishaa682 how? Personally I really like Logan, I think he was a great boyfriend for Rory back then. However I did not like how they ended in “ a year in the life”. And yeah there were definitely questionable things but he was always there for Rory and he was upfront and honest with her sense day 1.
she was so stressed out about her college application and "not doing enough activities" when she already does a ton of volunteering for her town. why didn't she just put down those activities on her application? running a rummage sale with her mom, always playing in little plays for the holidays, helping save money to repair the bridge, etc etc. she did a lot of things yet it never occurred to her that those things count as volunteering work.
I can't say I've ever watch Gilmore girls but I've seen it before it's a great show and I think I'm going to binge it I had no idea things were so bad for Rory she always seems so put together
I think one of the things that cause the Rory's downfall is herself entitlement and the fact that she could so easily run to her grandparents whenever she's in trouble or has a problem and doesn't know how to handle it she should have been more like her mom everything gets handed to her and her grandparents caused her to have a massive ego because of constantly telling her that she special who could be more qualified than you? She's a hardworking intelligent smart girl but her entitlement or white millennial attitude has drastically ruined her life
Those volunteer activities are nothing though. Ivy League applicants volunteer in more meaningful ways then doing a rummage sale. I’ve known kids in high school who applied to ivy leagues and they would spend a summer volunteering in third world countries over the summer. Kids who have that drive to go to prestigious schools usually map out a plan freshman year and get it down.
Uh, no. Most women who are narcissists do not suddenly change because they become mothers. The just become narcissistic mothers, and continue to see the world, including their children's lives, as revolving around them.
Very good point. I highly doubt that Rory would be as supportive and selfless a mother as Lorelai because none of those traits were ever encouraged in her.
I feel like the word narcissist is thrown around too much. Rory isn’t a narcissist, a real example of narcissism in Gilmore Girls is Emily in the early seasons.
@@oviya3042 i disagree. There's actually a moment in 2x16 which proves that her sense of guilt and compassion is far more genuine than rory's. The few people that rory seems to care about/is respectful towards all have one thing in common: she is financially dependent on them. The second that she saw a chance to get away and make her own money, she took it by manipulating lorelai into agreeing to a book deal
I've always hated the Logan = Christopher thing. They are not similar people, despite the wealth and bad-boy antics. If anything Logan is more similar to Richard. A rich Yalie with a fondness for pranks and mischief, who grows up to become a work dork.
Yeah, exactly! And I also really struggle with the Jess = Luke thing. Like, other than the fact they both pine for their respective Gilmore Girl, what do they have in common? Dean is more of a Luke type character (and at one point, the show has Dean literally compare his situation with Rory to Luke's situation with Lorelai) than Jess ever was. And it's not like Dean was in sort supply of 'pining-over-a-Gilmore-Girl-syndrome' so.
@@BadWolfRT Luke never degraded Lorelai by making her the other woman, though. Even if you were to argue that Dean is similar to Luke in that way, he never made Lorelai suffer from his actions and inability to move on the same way Dean did by cheating on Lindsay with Rory. And Dean's "support" always came with him expecting Rory to spend time with only him and to only ever be interested in him, whereas even when Luke was insecure and even found out about Lorelai sleeping with Christopher, he didn't just yell at her the same way Dean always had the habit of doing so with Rory.
I watched Gilmore Girls when I was in high school, and I initially really admired Rory for being a sweet, intelligent, and seemingly down-to-earth girl. I wanted to be just like her! But that admiration started waning when she went to Yale and it dropped exponentially when she dropped out of Yale. Now when rewatching the show, I realize that I was a lot like Paris- determined, chronically anxious and working hard to reach the end-goal.
I dropped the show very early on so I didn't know about the dropping out story before seeing this vid. I just burst out laughing. If I took opinions of middle-aged white men this seriously, I wouldn't live long :D
I agree with this and I am realising I am Paris and honestly I would probably be closer to Paris if I was friends with Rory because she is a lovely and fun person to be around
The most hilarious fall of hers was when Logan’s dad told her she wouldn’t get far and threw a semester long fit, took advantage of her grandparents, refused to talk to her mom, refused to understand she was privileged while accepting it then ‘tried’ to be rebel. What’s worse is that no one would directly call her out so she never really had any character growth.
Hahaha yes, and years later, we see he was absolutely right, she didn't have it as a journalist. Maybe she will have it as a writer and hopefully as a single mother.
Jess called her out on her self-destructive path. Logan called her out on her privilege and stupidity to go down because of his father's opinion about her doing a stupid internship. Paris and Doyle indirectly called her out on her lack of work ethics. She had a lot of people of her same age surrounding her and growing up while learning to live a real life like her but she never got to listen to them because she thought she was special and unique and didn't deserve to be treated like any other person would be treated doing the same experiences as her.
I love that the show gave Rory a downfall, and this vid explains why so well. I related to Rory as a young gifted kid who skated by with ease and was constantly praised, and I relate to her now as a nearly 30-something who is directionless, failing to find work and far too easily discouraged by criticism.
A few years ago I dated a Gilmore Girls super fan. After a few months, she asked if I'd watch through the series with her. So I did. Saw every single episode, including the four-part new thing on Netflix. Wasn't a bad show, though I grew to dislike Rory a lot. Whatever defense could be said for her -- that she's young, that everyone has a rogue phase, etc. - doesn't really matter, I still wouldn't want to be acquainted with her in real life. Consider her behavior in the Netflix special: she spends the entire year cheating on her boyfriend, Paul, someone she'd already been dating for some time. And she's cheating on him with Logan, who is engaged to another woman altogether. She cheated on Dean with Jess; she cheated on Logan with Jess, too, and I don't care if it was just one kiss. She hooked up with Dean while he was married. And then that entire meltdown, when she stole a boat, dropped out of school, stopped talking to her mom, moved out to her grandparent's pool house, and was an a-hole to her grandmother when she moved out of that pool house; these are not "everyone makes mistakes" territory, this is "Rory is a bad person" territory.
The reaction Rory had to the whole incident with the boat was astonishing for me and I didn’t buy it at all. You have been a role model and have rooted values about honesty and correctness and sense of responsibility. Now you steal a boat with this guy you just started dating, and you spend the night in JAIL, you will have a criminal record for life that has consequences in your career and life, and…. Your reaction is “it’s no big deal”!?? Fuck off honestly. The true reaction with this kind of girl would be “holly shit this is real, I’m breaking up with this guy who is a bad influence, and I’m not losing my mind anymore if I can avoid it, as I don’t want to mess all my future up (even more). but no. It was “well what’s next?” I think that’s when I was already too demotivated with the show to care anymore .
Rory's issue is not just that she doesn't pay the consequences for her actions, but she doesn't realize how what she does can ruin other peoples lives. Like Paul and especially Dean's. In real life theyre lives would be horribly ruined. And she doesn't even care
I first started watching gilmore girls two months ago when my boyfriend recommended it and it was hard to get into at first. I asked my boyfriend what was wrong with rory right away because I could sense something was off and it wasnt just that she was weird. And he said "oh nothing she's just shy and awkward" and then a few episodes later I asked if she was going to sleep with tristan at the party after her a dean broke up. And my bf said "no she doesn't do that kind of thing!" And honestly I feel like if she didnt love or are about dean then she would have just gotten with tristan but instead she gets back with dean only to cheat on him a couple episodes later with jess. Like come on. And then choosing yale over hardvard and then eventually sleeping with dean Who is married. And she still does not pay any consequences for her actions. And then everything that happened during her melt down with logan. And then running back home and hiding behind her grandparents legs like a small child. I saw a problem with her since like season two and it kind of shocks How he sorts of defended her and made her sound like she was just trying to figure stuff out but she was a bad person. I'm glad to see that other people agree
Yeah, I really liked Rory in the earlier seasons, but was so disappointed in the bad choices she makes. Same thing with Dean. For me, it seemed out of character for these two. With Jess & Logan, each of them made plenty of bad choices, but it was more realistic to their characters, and both of them made (at least some) improvements over time. I think they could have had plenty of drama and interesting story lines without changing Rory's & Dean's characters like that. It was nice to see that Dean got back on track and was happy with a family at the very end.
Rory’s story is all too relatable for those of us who coasted through the early parts of our lives through a mix of craftiness and luck. It all comes tumbling down in adulthood when hard work is so much more important than being able to “hack it”.
@B Babbich by hard work was actually meant self - discipline, focus, and necessary sacrifices required to create and maintain Self-Determination or total lifelong independence
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Was it rory’s more cynical outlook that made her more childish instead of her previous wholesome innocence Entitled is a stretch but she did get more cynical
Really can't blame Paris for hating Rory in the beginning. Most successful people I know now were like Paris in high school - frantic and hardworking. Rory never realized she had a gilded life.
I'm glad she and Paris became friends eventually. But Paris as a character seemed almost like a caricature in the beginning. Fundamentally unlikeable and mega neurotic. Then again, Rory was portrayed in equally unrealistic way, so 🤷♀️
oh god this argument is so stupid. rory got better scores than paris because she worked hard too but worked smarter than her somehow. paris always felt threatened by rory's intellect and tried to kill her confidence the early days rory joined the school. when she realized rory is being more kind towards her than her other friends she started to stop hating rory. paris was so threatened by rory cos she knew rory could beat her.
I was looking for this comment. It's so obvious for me. And then he cheating on his wife for a girl who cheated on him made me lose all the respect I had for him...
For me, the best character is Lane. She's ambitious and driven, won her independence. She was compassionate and kind unlike Paris, she never looked down on anyone. She failed in her career as a musician, and had to return to her mother's way, but she wasn't a sore loser. Even in her failure, she was strong and content in her own way. She stayed true to her passion, and still pursued music as a hobby. She is loyal and reliable, a great friend everybody could want. Rory is the heart without the mind, Paris is mind without the heart; Lane Kim is both. If everyone were like Lane, the world would be a much better place.
In the comments people say that Lane has failed the most… people think that having kids is a tragedy and not being rich is a failure. They didn’t learn anything from Luke and Lane.
I do think Lane was the most successful however I think it was v unrealistic that somebody like Rory would of stayed close to her elementary school friend who didn't go to college and had twins when she was 21. @@guybrushthreepwood4174
@@guybrushthreepwood4174 It's been awhile since I watched the Netflix special, but I remember Lane being generally happy with Zack and her kids. I don't know why everyone is saying her life was ruined when she got married and had kids.
Exactly! I hate that people miss this part and fall for the lie the show builds up. We were all sold the lie of the perfect little girl then scolded her when she acted out... just like they did. It's annoying that people are literally missing the point (or part) of Rory's later storyline. Identity crisis' can make us do shitty things in order to find ourselves outside of a stereotype. She has no idea who she is.
@@selty yes ofc the producers made Rory like this on purpose! That’s the whole point of the show. “Where you lead, I will follow” Lorelei definitely started as a Brat like Rory but her life turned around when she had to be a single teen mom and now Rory will have to do the same
When I was growing up, I looked up to Rory. The revival made me realize how spoiled and entitled she was. Looking at her storyline in my mid-thirties, it all made sense. And I realized how different the paths and decisions I made compared to hers.
I watched and rewatched the series so many times but I agree that not until the revival and then trying to watch it again all I could see was the privilege.
As much as I love Lorelai, the way she is portrayed as the perfect mother really rubs me the wrong way. "Ever since she could crawl, I wanted her to go there..." Talk about pressure! And I hate how condescending she is to the men in her life who have kids (Christopher, Luke). I mean she raised one kid and suddenly she's the parenting expert. Maybe Rory being "perfect" didn't result from her parenting skills as much as from the lack of them (= the need to please others and not cause any more trouble to the already troubled teen mom). Again, I love Lorelai as a character, but she too should acknowledge that maybe her parenting style wasn't as great as she thinks it was.
Both Christopher and Luke went to Lorelai for parenting advice. She didn't just barge in the door and force it on them. Luke wanted Lorelai's help when Jess first arrived, and Christopher went to Lorelai about G.G. when his wife went MIA. April was an entirely different situation, and both her and Luke were warped so OOC in that mess of a storyline that it really doesn't even count.
Lorelei is also an oddity that no one else recognizes. She had the opportunities if she had behaved well as a teen and young adult. She needed to stop whining that she didn’t have those choices. Her parents had the money. Her parents wanted her to go to college. Yes, her parents were demanding. Instead of throwing it all away, maybe Lorelei could have stood up for herself instead of running away. She is her daughter’s role model.
Lorelai did behave like one crazy teenager so often...... her personality is very extra, I think Rory got lost in the dynamic..... which is ok, it's healthy enough to work it out. After having Emily and Richard as parents, i think their mother daughter love is something rare and beautiful
Lorelai was just a fun loving Emily. Lorelai put her dreams on Rory and wanted a life she had imagined in her head for Rory. Same as Emily. When Rory dropped out Lorelai acted same as Emily would have.
the fact that rory feels entitled enough to write a book and take credit for her mum's life story says everything... lorelai caving in and letting her daughter also says loads about her inability to say no to her daughter
she cant say no to rory anymore, whenever lorelai criticises her rory always cut her off and lorelai is too dependent on rory to go through the pain again.
One thing I’d disagree - her story isn’t about white privilege, it’s CLASS privilege If she went to public school & never learned of her grandparents’ wealth, the whole story changes Class plays a HUGE role in her downfall, the average white millennial can’t relate
I found it interesting that the vid brings up Girls as an example of another typical “entitled millennials” show bc for those characters, class was also their defining privilege. This is because Lena Dunham herself came from rich parents, her dad specifically being from an old money WASP background, so she gave her characters the same typical rich kid problems she dealt with. Amy Sherman Palladino (creator of Gilmore Girls) also had rich and well-connected parents in the entertainment industry, and was able to advance so quickly in the industry bc of those connections. She has said specifically in interviews that she meant for Rory to exemplify the failings of the entitled millennial. The irony is that she herself is an extremely privileged and very entitled Gen X-er who has no concept of the struggles working class people go thru. Countless millennials’ careers suffered bc the recession hit right when they were finishing college, not bc they were whiny brats who didn’t want to work - they literally could not find work. But ASP is so divorced from the real struggles of everyday people.
@@lmmm1459 Latinos can be white too tho. Her Latino side is from Argentina, which is a very white country, and her Argentinian grandparents are of Danish, German, Scottish and English descent
@@lmmm1459 A person can be Latina and white e.g Giselle Bundchen can be considered Latina because she is from Brazil and there is a substantial German community in Latin America. Lots of Nazis also ran off to Latin America after WW2 ,and married within the German community already there ,do they stop being white just because they are now based in a Latin American country?
Uhm no. "Gratitude" and "awareness of privillege" do not change anything about inequality in a society. "Gratitude" is just a way for rich people to feel better about being rich and inevitably having better outcomes in life, it changes nothing for anyone who is not privilleged. Individual rich people, of course, can change little about inequality in a society as a whole, but there are lots of things that are wrong with the fact that inequality and privillege on such a scale exist.
What is being privileged anyways? A family who has worked hard for generations to provide for themselves isn't wrong and it isn't inequality. People make different choices depending of many factors so of course not everyone is rich but being rich is not something you should be ashamed of.
@@Stem667 I’m clearly talking about individual rich as I’m talking about individual emotions, and it’s honestly just a fact of life that there will be the upper classes and there will be the lower, as we’ve seen through countries that try to get rid of this hierarchy completely, society just doesn’t work without it, you need the people to work and the people to make the work sadly, and it’s personally up to you to decide where you place in that, so stop self pitying and blaming them, actually work to be in a position of power yourself so that you can make decisions that benefit society. If there was external circumstances such as disability or discrimination ect. Then you get a pass, but even so stop being so salty about how other people aren’t changing anything and change it yourself if you care so much.
@@croft4746 first of all, rich people’s emotions do not matter. They can feel grateful or entitled as they want to, it changes nothing for everyone else. Secondly, there are huge differences in levels of inequality between countries. Unlike the rich people’s emotions, the level of inequality in a society matters for a lot of things: from life chances of people born into different families to things like housing affordability, life expectancy, crime levels etc (more equal countries do better) Also, I was not suggesting getting rid of any hierarchy, and no one is self-pitying either, so stop making things up.
Rory should've just married Logan. She should've just embraced her privilege and take advantage of it to better her career. Instead she stayed oblivious of it. Lets be honest, nepotism and connections will always be present in our society and if I had the connections that my grandparents could offer me, I would embrace it.
Marrying Logan wouldn't have guaranteed her success, though. And it's obvious throughout the show that Rory hates handouts even when she struggles to find work for herself throughout the revival. There's also the obvious fact that Mitchum doesn't just hand out something without a drawback, like him offering her the internship solely because his family was weird to her at dinner only to tell her she just doesn't have what it takes, without giving her any advice on improvement, without giving her any actual good pointers as to what she could do other than offering some backhanded remark that she could be a good assistant. This is what pretty much makes it clear that he wouldn't just offer her a job on the same level as Logan or even a regular employee of his even if she ended up marrying her son, and chances are she would've still hated it. Also, Richard and Emily never have any significant ties to publishing or journalism beyond Mitchum in the series. They offer Lorelai or Rory help with money, but that's about it, and the series conveniently forgets or doesn't bring up Rory's possible trust funds from them when it would've otherwise solved some of her possible issues.
I know! I certainly don't have the advantage of nepotism, but think about it. Your as big an actress as Meryl Streep, and your daughter comes to you and says "Mom, I wanna be an actress. Help me." You love your kid; what are you going to say "No, that's nepotism." No! Of course not, you love your kid, and you're going to help. That's why nepotism will always be with us.
I honestly love Rory's story arch. Most stories depict characters developing into something great, but not Rory. She's just as human as the rest of us.
I grew up with Gilmore girls. I mean, my mom watched it pregnant with me, and on we watched it nearly every year and the older I got, the more I realized I hate Rory. Her entire personality in the first seasons just paled in comparison to Lorelei. Then a year in the life came out, I was not surprised. I’m so glad to see the title of this video.
@@natalyaporter5730 I don't think it's a message? I think it's a character study. It's not a message on all of humanity, that all people will end up like their parents (I mean Lorelai is nothing like Emily, and Lane is nothing like Mrs. Kim, and Richard is nothing like Lorelai the First, etc.). It's a character study of Rory, and yes it's a depressing character study but it's specific to her experience.
I personally dint feel depressing because Rory's privileges dint give her the encouragement that Lorelai had to make her life independent. Maybe this change might help her to see it. Also we audience get a conclusion indirectly indicates that Now Rory is new Lorelai and she ll end up happy.
I think this is an example of how damaging it can be to be brought up having everyone around you tell you how smart and amazing you are. They all meant well, but what happens is is that as soon as they realize they aren’t automatically the smartest, strongest, prettiest etc., their whole self-image and self-esteem fall apart. From what I’ve learned, resiliency doesn’t come naturally, it has to be taught. Unfortunately for Rory, no one properly taught her how to bounce back when things got rough.
I don’t it can be taught, possibility of learning from a wide range of experiences perhaps. It’s like a common sense isn’t common type of thing. And 💯 the enabling, and praise is very bad in the long run.
I feel like Rory is a classic case of "gifted kid syndrome." In America, kids with "gifted" IQs are often placed on a pedastal. They go to "special programs" and are told how smart they are constantly. Everything comes with ease and so the kids end up slacking a bit thinking they are still "driven" because they are getting good grades. Usually, kids end up learning their lesson at around 14/15 years old when high school starts, as the classes are much harder and require more studying. In some cases, this ends up with the kid burning out and starting to fail, before they manage to develop healthy studying techniques. However, the select few do not reach this point of burnout in high school, but rather college (unniversity). This is what we see with Rory. The work gets so hard for her that she thinks it is impossible to do, burns out, and drops out of Yale. The thing is, Rory has continued that into her adult life. She never learned the healthy coping mechanisms. Instead, she insists she is smart and always correct like how she was in her childhood. This is the gifted kid syndrome.
Exactly! 100% on point! she definitely didn’t have healthy coping mechanisms, nor healthy boundaries with Lorelei. Like when she returns to Yale and has to attend mandatory therapy; Lorelei was so against it, worried about what she’d say about her, instead of seeing her child needed to continue therapy for her own mental health.
R'amen! I'm an elder millennial & school was very easy for me at first. I was always eager to learn and all, but I never studied and couldn't get why other kids couldn't figure it out. When I got into honors math in 6th grade, I came to a screeching halt. I couldn't understand anything all of a sudden (WTH are letters doing in math problems?!) and I learned how to give up. I kept failing and nobody could explain it to me, and so I went back to regular math where I could coast and get straight As. I just figured I was smart... until I wasn't anymore. And nobody was harping on my grades or helping me out, so I continued to flounder. Got some better teachers in high school that helped bridge the gap, but those middle school years were hell. I didn't really learn good study skills til college. I was book-smart, but real-world stuff just baffled me. Still does, sometimes. This stuff is part of the reason I try to be a good tutor to kids. When they get down on themselves and say they'll never get it, I make sure to tell them otherwise and help them find ways to push on and keep learning. I learned to give up in math too soon, and that hindered me from a lot of paths I wanted to try because i considered them too hard. I'd probably be a scientist right now if I'd learned to study and pushed through. Instead I'm a lot like Rory (minus the money and boys): once I was out of school, I couldn't hack it. Now, I've got my fingers crossed that I get a job I applied for that will let me pay bills and have a work-life balance (if I live very cheaply from now on and stay healthy) after 24 job applications in 3 months. It's disarming when you don't have realistic help to do better and that you have serious gaps in your personal growing-up education.
This is a very strange comment. I take it you are against giving people opportunity? How do we reach new heights without encouragement? If we have limited resources, you have to focus on the areas that might pan out.
@@98Zai I am not against giving people opportunity, I'm just saying the culture can be toxic and lead to kids feeling like they don't need to do anything to succeed. I say this as someone who grew up in those programs.
@@ohhmangos I wish someone would have either removed the noisy ADHD kids or me from the classroom. I see how pushing a genius label on a kid can be detrimental, but some kids do not reach their potential in a normal setting. I don't think this TV show is a good metric to prove anything, it's entertainment. A perfect person succeeding isn't fun to watch.
Paris' story actually makes sense to me. People you have the better work ethic are often not the ones rewarded. People who are too intense are often shunned. People who display anxiety are looked down on. Woman who are aggressive and ambitious seen as wrong. And while she did study she was under pressure from herself and parents while having not grown up with proper support and coping mechanisms. In contrast Rory fits a lot of female stereotypes. She's ambitious but presents as sweet and demure. She has a temper but it doesn't present as a threat. When shes stressed shes often calmed and assured by others. And so on and so forth. She is the type that is often rewarded. And as for the extracurriculars we are told she lacks Im guessing she finally realized she could list all the stuff she and her for do for the town which would be unique and quaint compared to Paris' choices which would have been just like others applying cause it was based on ticking boxes of what should look good. It also completely makes sense that Paris would succeed once success was in her own hands and she was the one shaping her future where Rory would falter when no longer given the structure she so thrived on.
HARD WORK DOESNT MEAN BEST WORK. one could solve a problem faster than another, while the other will take a long time and place much hard work to understand the same problem and come up with a solution.
@@andreakoeries7230 thank you :) that is very sad to hear I must say :( While I don’t think that Paris is a person I would like to work with bc. I can’t really stand her intensity, I feel that schools shouldn’t feel that way. She deserves that university-spot! But I do see why ppl didn’t want her to be head of the newspaper. She is rather unpleasant to work with. In an Environment where she would at least pull the great contracts on land (like in a company) this behavior may be excused but not on a school-newspaper.
Rory being “stuck” in her 30’s wasn’t relatable. It was a big plot hole. We know, based on the original series, that she had several trust funds, one from her father and one from her great grandmother. Plus, Rory probably inherited even more money from Richard after he died. It’s highly unlikely that she blew through all that money and was so poor that she just had to move back home and couldn’t afford to buy her own place. Poverty and unemployment didn’t stop Rory from flying back and forth to the UK. The revival was super messy and made Rory insufferable.
My theory is that the writers of the show wanted what happened in the revival to happen in season 7 but they left the show for some reason and season 7 got written differently. So now the original writers of the show made the year in a life into their original plan for season 7 which makes me feel a bit angry - they screwed up Rory on purpose it seems.
@@natalyaporter5730 exactly! That would have made sense in season 7, what it means just some years after she graduated. But in the way they did it was like "are you telling me that in 10 years she didn't do anything in her life at all??"
And she keep paying the rent from her NY room btw. But is more or less more or the same, she goes "poor me, I am not having the job of my dream" but she have a safety net. Just like Lorelai, who could run to her parents when needed, even if she didn't like it
@@jessicadavalos5710 Which is another reason why the revival was hard to swallow. Someone in Rory’s position, in her 30’s, would have had a master’s degree, at the bare minimum. Journalism jobs at major news outlets are scarce, and once her career stalled, she would’ve went back to school to make herself more competitive in the job market. Rory would have used her family connections and Yale alumni network to get some sort of suitable gig while living off of her trust funds. “A year in the life” was written as if Rory was 23, not 33.
Tbh I think Rory and Lorelai are both incredibly spoiled and selfish. Everyone around them just keeps saying they're always right and perfect and they think they matter more than other people. But I like that they are both flawed people. Makes them more realistic. edit: Also, Mitchum was undeservingly villainized for not feeding Rory's fragile ego and introducing her to the real world.
@@jennterry6977 Sure. But there was also all the Chinese food (that one episode where they say they actually order everything off the menu and make it sound like this is something they do on an irregular basis) and the pizzas. I mean Rory buys the "world's largest pizza" for Lorelai's birthday. What's missing is an episode revealing their friendship with Sookie is purely tactical to avoid ever having to cook a meal.
I am happy someone point out Lorelai is not that perfect either. Putting aside that she ignores her own privileges, she toy with people too much with her own "I am so charismatic, you find this abusing behavior so cute and nice". Luke is have to deal with her egocentric behavior all the time. Like when she keep retaining his truck when Rory go to Yale or returning it late. Or when he give up the house of his dreams because Lorelai don't want to leave her home and then he can't even bring his decorations. The good thing is that the show actually point out part of Lorelai problems. Is Emily who make her understand, telling her that in a relationship is not always about getting your way.
Michtum was righfully villainized. "You don't have it".What kind of feedback is that ? What is " It" ? How can she improve ? Maybe he was right hat something was missing but he was being intebtionally mean about it
As a mother myself I find Lorelai’s codependency on Rory is very toxic! She treats her like a bff instead of a daughter, dishes out all her adult problems to her, caves in just to be in her daughters good books. Lorelai is what a lot of mums and dads are doing atm being “friends” to their kids instead of being “parents”
Well remember she had her daughter at 16 years old and sadly didn’t have a good relationship with her parents and she ran away. She really didn’t know how to be a mom. To me it seems realistic because a lot of teen mothers do that with their children. But that my two cents
Well she was just a kid when she became a mother and she was terrified and traumatized by her own mother. I think it's very reasonable that she wanted to be the mother she never had and always wanted.. That's what i would do to.
I was a huge Lorelei defender on the 1st watch but on the second watch I was like “why are SO into your daughter’s love life?”. Emily and Lorelei are the different faces of the same coin
That's a great summary of Rory. Her good friend Lane was one of my favourite characters in the series. She more accurately portrayed the life of teenage girl. Not so privileged and smooth sailing.
dont worry not everyone sees millennials like that, it's just that annoying trend these days to roast them or enforce some kind of "war" between millennials and gen z, it's stupid. i was born in 1999 so technically gen z, but i felt much older than the common gen z but still younger to millennials. im like that middlechild lol. and believe me, BOTH generations have equally terrible ppl.
Rory’s age is what makes her a millennial. Even if we don’t like her character, she’s still in that generation. Plenty of people view millennials like this. Sucks when you get generalized and lumped into one personality type based on the year you were born vs your individuality.
why did rory get more flack for sleeping with a married man than the married man did for cheating on his own wife?? it was immature, but she was told they were divorcing. rory was being a self-centered baby, but it is not her fault for the demise of dean's marriage.
She didn't. There was a scene in which lindsay yelled at dean, and the rest of the consequences for him occurred offscreen because it wasn't relevant to rory's storyline
Nah dean was treated so badly every time something happened with rory. The first time they broke up and the second and after the affair. He got what he deserved but rory never did
Rory was always entitled, privileged and had a superiority complex, I liked that the revival was realistic about how she would've actually end up, and that it's not necessarily a millenial thing, because Paris worked her ass off and ended up being extremely successful (I love Paris)
I don’t understand why Paris is so loved, people like her in real life are impossible to stand. I had a girl like that in my highschool class, she constantly treated me like I was inferior because my grades are lower and everytime I did better then her you could feel the jealousy from her behaviour. She was hated by the entire class and she didn’t have any friends until she eventually change her attitude.
Paris is successful but still unhappy, Lane is “unsuccessful” but happy, Rory is unsuccessful and unhappy but she’s still trying to find herself, life isn’t over at 32.
@@guybrushthreepwood4174 you are so right! I think the revival made a great point there, that for this generation, success is no longer the goal, happiness is! And happiness is always tied to the love you have around you. And if you don't have "life figured out" (if that's even possible), by 32, that's ok
@sfasdf asfasdfasdf she didn't grow as a character. She might be 30 now be she has not changed one bit. That's not being human and imperfect, it's refusing to take responsibility and maturing.
The truth is that Rory's life was very realistic, a "spoiled" child, who grew up without criticism and had everything handed over to her. She collapsed in the real world. And another thing, she never took much consideration for other people's feelings, she cheated on two boyfriends throughout the series, and she was used to cheating too, without showing any regret. She got what she deserved.
@@okmewhen True, but I would've wanted that moment for Lindsay, so the last time we see her isn't devastated and humiliated, but thriving and happy. And if what happened to Lindsay happened to me, I'd kind of want to run into the person who'd destroyed my marriage (intentionally or not) when I'm living my best life, which would be especially satisfying if that person was floundering. It may be petty, but there you have it. I'd be all, "Oh hey, Rory! Great to see you! What's that? You're unemployed, homeless, and seeing your engaged ex-boyfriend? Aw, what a shame. Welp, gotta get back to my successful jet setting career now. My limo and heart surgeon husband are waiting for me out front. Here's a $20. Buy yourself something nice." lol
@@TheMarkmcr The person said that Rory wouldn't have cared because it's not like she hated Lindsay or anything. She probably would've been happy for her. She just didn't give a f**k about her or her marriage.
@@cv8499 i think that's part of what paris's role was meant for. Rory has a habit of having a temper tantrum whenever she's criticized about anything, so if someone less beneficial like lindsay got personal with rory, I highly doubt that any such meeting would have gone well for her at all.
One of Rorys major problems was her grandparents interference. Whenever Lorelai put her foot down, her granparents would undermine Lorelai and agree with Rory, and would swoop in and fix things so she never learned to fix things herself. Until the revival as Emily was too consumed with grief.
That has everything to do with lorelai’s unfinished business with her parents. They used Rory as a bargaining chip to score points against one another and to get what they wanted in their relationships with each other.
That`s why I like Paris much more. She followed her dreams and never gave up, while Rory degraded to the ridiculous love triangles instead of being more focused on her career.
Just which Jess are we talking about? Season 2 Jess? Or season 6 Jess? Because those are two very different persons. Season 2 Jess was a jerk and an ass, and rude to everyone who was not Rory. Season 6 Jess however was a great charecter and had evolved a huge deal, and became someone we really like
@@LouiseAndersen1991 I think he always was a great character, not a great “person”. He was entertaining, he had a backstory, and I loved to see his scenes with Luke
Season 6 jess because he has truly changed and evolved and I truly love that scene where he tells rory that she's wasting her life away by dropping out of college jess is way to good for rory to me at this point even though I would love for them to be together 🤔😀🤠😠😡🤬
@@LouiseAndersen1991 Jess improved. He had a difficut time growing up. Yes, he was kind of a jerk, but made a constant effort to improve and it paid off.
I hate when people suggest applying for 200 jobs before even receiving an interview is something anyone should just accept, or not be discouraged by. This is NOT something which prior generations had to deal with, and it breeds resentment and actively encourages self delusion in applicants, because otherwise why would they keep going? People forget that 'millennials' are a product of their circumstances, and those circumstances are usually pretty awful.
Just because you easily found a job in the 1980s doesn’t mean it can be done with the same ease in the 2010s, Grandpa. The modern world changes massively over a short period of time now, and if millennials are finding it hard, I can only imagine how hard it will be for my generation coming out of high school and university. In the service industry, we are treated like slaves. It’s harder to find employment in the field you specialise in. In a country with universal healthcare, hospitals are becoming more expensive. We have to fight climate change without knowing how. Droughts and floods and bushfires ravage my country. My government is becoming increasingly more corrupt, the freedom of speech and press was tested just recently. Our economy is owned by China, we are running out of water, and the mining industry is practically bust. It’s just not that simple anymore.
I completely agree. Millennials are not isolated problems or simply “bad apples.” Their sense of entitlement, fear of failure, and resistance to truly working hard, arose out of their environment and relationships during childhood. If you were always seen as a star child by authority figures and peers, why wouldn’t you believe it? Also, these traits are not specifically Millennial. They are found in anyone who grew up with high expectations, lots of opportunities, and even more undue pats on the back.
@@clinton8421 For me even in the eighties and nineties finding just a minimum wage job was not easy. It became easier in the 2000's when I moved to a big city. Right now though things are getting rough again.
I think it depends on the career and availability of opportunities it can bring at the moment or in the future, location too can be a factor, I'm a millennial in health care, after my licensure exam I was jobless for 3 months because I can't find job vacancies in my home town, then I moved and found one immediately then went back home again and found 1 that I worked at for more than 2 years, and I have my 3rd one now after only a month of quitting my old one, covid made it easier for my career path currently but it wasn't this easy before
Mgen Burn I never got that millennials “don’t work hard” when we are the most educated, underpaid generation, with tuition and living costs drastically increasing, Fuck, my master’s degree in Education may get me a job, but I can’t afford to move out of my parents house.
Rory getting chosen for more opportunities, honours, etc than Paris just shows how likeability trumps ability. Paris was always more driven and capable than Rory and worked a lot harder than her, but she wasn't sweet and quiet and polite like Rory, so they didn't want her to be valedictorian, etc.
Likability has some merits too though. Could you honestly imagine working in a group with Paris? That would be hellish. There’s a reason nobody likes her, and quite frankly being able to work with people/have some people skills is extremely important in the real world. I’d rather work with Rory than Paris any day :/
@@Becky0494 AGREED! I'm a bit disturbed at how youtube comments seem to mostly love Paris just cause she works hard. I've met people who used their work ethic and intelligence as an excuse to be mean and a bully. I don't care how driven you are, if you drive others to the ground you clearly have growing to do. That said Rory isn't so great either, at least Paris is upfront about being a B.
THIS. Rory had better social skills, but imo Paris had far more integrity because she wasn't afraid to be hated to do what she thought was necessary. She didn't hide her serious flaws or try to have it both ways. Some of her behavior was too severe or mean and definitely should have been reigned in, but I think she's better than Rory because she wasn't a hypocrite.
It's because Paris was portrayed as completely insufferable while Rory was portrayed as a child from a fairy tale. Both portrayals *way* overamplified.
I’m rewatching Gilmore girls for the second time as a college student and literally Rory is held on a pedestal when she is Really just a basic smart girl not a genius or incredibly special. She was really hyped up.
I think another issue is the fact that Amy Sherman-Palladio knew she wanted this journey for Rory. We were supposed to see this in season 7 when she was 22 and not in her 30s. Her behavior reminds me of a fresh out of college person that hasn’t set foot in reality yet. The fact that we saw this behavior almost 10 years after her college career is what made it frustrating. She should have learned a lot in her 20s and been in a more solid place by her 30s. This isn’t to say that we have things figured out in our 30s...But she should have been more mature and less entitled at the very least. All of this is just my opinion though. Either way I love Gilmore Girls and watch it over and over.
Couldn't agree more - same could be said for Lorelai's arc, it didn't make sense that Luke and her were having those problems and conversations about babies for the first time ten years into their relationship, where it would have made sense a year or two into it. That's what I found deplorable about the revival, that the story was not adapted to the fact that it was set a decade later. The ideas that would have worked as Season 7 made the people so unlikable and immature as older versions of themselves.
@@Antonia-hp5gg Exactly. It was cruel. What I mean is that, in a small community like the one in the show, there was no backlash, no gossip, no nothing, no one got mad. And Lorelai went in a double date with them! I told my daughter, they scripted the whole thing as if Rory was not a person in that town, but their favorite CHARACTER. So disgusting.
I think Rory was great at doing what she is told to do in school. She put in a great effort in the tasks given and received good grades and praise in return. However, she never learned to make her own decisions and take responsibility for them. And that's where she started to struggle immensely. I think we do need to acknowledge that she worked her ass off in school, but in life things just aren't as plannable. It's not always that effort leads to success. And when she realized that, she lost her whole understanding of life - privileged money-wise or not.
@@verydenise I mean, there are plenty of academy way to her but she wanted to be journalist, when I will said Paris or lorelai actually fit better that.
that's what i love about gilmore girls, the characters are flawed and discussions about their morale arise constantly. the fact that they all move in grey areas is what makes this show good. Every time i rewatch the show i get something different out of it, it is subtle, the relationships between emily and lorelai are my favourite because they are so complex.
At the start of the series, I loved Rory. She was so much like me. Bookish, timid and ambitious. Finally, there was a character on television who was interested in Ivy League Colleges and travelling the world. As the series progressed, it became harder and harder for me to relate to Rory and by the time that she had slept with Dean despite the fact that he was married, I hated her and could not believe that the self absorbed, spoiled and annoying woman she was becoming was the same kind, intelligent and hardworking girl that she was before. They ruined her further in the sequel. Rory become a spoiled little brat who was so accustomed to getting everything that she wanted through her grandparents’ money and influence that she became one of the most annoying character that I have ever seen. Rory cheated on Dean with Jess, slept with Dean while he was married to Lindsay, regularly fought with her mother who always had her best interests at heart, left her home, moved in with her grandparents and treated them poorly, had terrible taste in men, stole a yacht and expected everything in life to be handed to her on a silver platter.
I find it interesting how worked up people get over these fictional characters, but as many have pointed out, there is a great degree of realism in the downward spiral. Not everyone in real life has this perfectly moral and successful path upward.
Gilmore Girls, to me, is a good example of the difference between watching a show to be mostly entertained and analyzing it while watching. Here it makes a huge difference. The majority just laughing about the jokes, enjoying the drama, the characters and the storylines, plus putting Lorelai and Rory on a pedestal, will enjoy Gilmore Girls a lot (as I used to do). Those thinking about their behaviour and what kind of people Lorelai and Rory really are, will probably have a hard time watching more than one random episode. I wanna add that we as viewers often decide to watch something mostly for entertaining reasons. But the show is written much more complex with much more thoughts into every aspect. And even though it seems that young Rory is leading the best life ever, she didn't grow up in a stable environment without a father figure, with a childish mom, with many people around her making her feel super special like she would automatically reach every goal she'd ever set. Young Rory of course didn't realize how fragile her life was at that time. Because even though a Rory has a lot of potential, she still has to prove herself in the real world. And that isn't Stars Hollow. It's really really tough, dangerous and demands of you to take a lot of risks and hard work. Something she wasn't really prepared for.
the way you worded this makes me think that no matter how annoying Rory was growing up, a lot of the blame is on her environment and the people that raised her and were supposed to teach/prepare her for the real world. seems that both her mom and her grandparents failed Rory. you can get annoyed and hate Rory all you want, but she's only doing what she's told or knows to do (didn't watch the show btw. just saying)
@@arnaeri9290 Yes, my intention was definitely to point out this sometimes forgotten fact. It's easy to blame Rory (and even Lorelai) for behaving badly and having troubles with life. With Rory it is of course easier since we watch her life unfold and do not have to do a lot of gueswork like with Lorelai's past. As the video very well explains, Rory was a child prodigee destined to achieve great things. But based on what? Being smart? Being Lorelai's daughter, being the grandchild of Richard and Emily? Thin ice. Rory did everything she was told and believed that she was a princess. Her mom spread the word and the residents of Stars Hollow believed that Rory was indeed very special. Again I say: Rory hadn't been prepared for life (at all). She was under the impression that things would run smoothly when in college and that she would reach all of her goals. It makes me sad how tragic Rory's life became when we all thought that life was lying at her feet and she would become someone great. As mentioned, now with her mother's age when she was born, she has achieved less (or nothing) than her mother, who made it on her own. Okay, life is unpredictable and anything is possible, but still, it's very disappointing having to start all over again with 30 and kind of having to learn the things Rory didn't learn growing up as a now adult.
I always hated how the whole town put Rory and Lorelai on a pedestal. After season 2/3 we never really see them do much for the town and just seem to be annoyed by the townies’ antics so it makes no sense why they love them so much. Also can you imagine being any other child in stars hollow and seeing the whole town act like Rory is the greatest person to ever exist?
the problem everyone assumed Rory could never do anything wrong. Like after the car crash, poor Rory, after the yatch event, it was Rory's idea, but every time Lorelai told the story it was Logan to blame. Or the story that Logan told that Rory followed her teacher to his home, so she could re apply the paper, and she got an A. She never learns that action has consequences.
Lorelai really did set rory up for failure. she spent rory's whole life teaching her that she was special, and because she was special that things would happen. People would see her specialness and open doors for her. While everyone adored the dynamic of their relationship, i really thought that lorelai was doing her a huge disservice. rory needed a stable parent who would provide discipline and guidance. She needed someone to teach her that working hard is instrumental in success. That natural talent and intellect only gets one so far. She didn't need a 30 year old adolescent trying to be her friend. Granted after the harsh realization a lot of people go through, rory owed it to herself to adapt, buckle down and put in the work.
The millenials, like all generations, are judged by the most PRIVILEGED of them. Many millenials are not constantly told we're wonderful. Many of us have had to fight just to have a fraction of what our predecessors had & complained about having, and that'll only get worse for future generations. But Rory...yeah, she's kind of disappointing.
I would argue that Rory already was a mother. At the series, where they say she's still 15, she was doing a lot of the household chores. They said (as a joke maybe?) that Lorelai doesn't clean. Lorelai though was always unable to find things at home and Rory knew where everything was, meaning she was the one that put things away/tidied. Lorelai was surprised at the clean clothes Rory had for her first day at Chilton and Rory said she did that sometimes, wash her own clothes 'whenever there isn't anything clean'....implying that Lorelai had a habit of doing that, even if just once in awhile. Applying to schools like Chilton and Yale, everyone knows there are huge fees. Rory was even worried about them but her mom just said everything would be fine. She still never looks up the cost of tuition until she gets the letter(s) in the mail. She had just assumed she could get a big bank loan (and that she'd be abel to pay it off). Lorelai sometimes talked to her about her dates - which is wildly inappropriate - but Rory was the one giving advice. There are too many examples to name.... People who grow up in households where they had to be the parent (to themselves or young siblings) feel tightly wound and need an outlet. Often it's when they get away from home the first time, then they sort of overcompensate and sometimes go nuts. It's like all those kids in high school you knew who were never allowed to even try a drink of alcohol then when they're in college they go batshit and drink all the time...it's overcompensating for years of being tightly wound. Rory was still not relatable in Year in the Life because for starters she had inherited a fortune but the writers just forgot about that detail. Viewers didn't since they were constantly seeing the Gilmore mansion, we know Rory wasn't 'broke' like she claimed. And when Rory announced she was pregnant I just thought,...So? Because she was 32, with a college degree, family & friends around her, she had money... oh and yeah, she basically raised her own mother... she already went through motherhood
I heard this. I still have both parents, but had to be the 3rd ones. With my mother brokes down in front of me, and demanded me to parent my younger sibling and be the middle man between my father and her, and my father who always demanded me to be my mother helper while he always absent. Those tied me down when my siblings flies the coop and think they dont have responsibility for my elderly parents because "sister is there". I cannot muster romance because every men think i am too cold, too calculating and " being with you is like with being with tired middle age mom with adult children"😂 But i guess that is my life, and still learning to shed my chains and spread my wings....but still dreaded to be a parent because my younger sister turned on me just because i dont approve of her husband, that turned out abused her.😢 i know being a failure felt like. I know since i am 6 y.o because my home was not clean enough for my mother.
No offense to Logan but when rory started dating him was the beginning of her downward spiral. While he improved and became better she seemed to get more into her privilege like the roles reversed and yet she still viewed herself as superior to him. I was getting ready to start a rant but I stopped myself with just this one point lol
I totally agree. Only I don’t think it’s Logan’s fault. She was always on a high horse. But dating someone who was also on a high horse made her realize how privileged she was and she didn’t like it. Meanwhile he changed and grew. She just got further in denial.
@@DianaHernandez-jf5zo I don't blame him either. I think he just gave her the opportunity to be in that environment without someone holding her accountable to her actions. To me he's like the older version of Tristan from high school. She spurned him and had stars hollow, her mom, etc to keep her accountable to principles (but she still kissed him!) With Logan she ate slept and breathed the rich girl environment and wasn't forced to leave at the end of the day to small town life.
No. Rory had already cheated on Dean with Jess, she had already slept with a married Dean, and had already began to be an entitled brat. Logan has nothing to do with this.
The problem with the whole “100-200 applications to find a job” fact being targeted against the millennial’s work ethic is that it’s important to consider the drastically reduced required efforts that our parents personally experienced going into the work force and they are the ones in our ear and over our shoulder asking why we haven’t found a suitable enough job for them to brag to their friends about and start paying for their retirement already expecting that it shouldn’t be this hard and we must not be trying
This. I really cant hear this "Oh Millienials just dont work hard anymore" stuff anymore. Bitch please, we´ve been working harder than most generations before just to get a minimum wage job with all those unpaid internships and extra languages courses and social commitments we had to do to get that. Oh dont foget those fix term employment contracts, where you have to apply every few years all over again and again, keeping your portfolio with that social commitment and all thata extra qualifictations no ones ever gonna need on the job, but with without them you still wont be hired up to date...
Gen Xer here. I sent out hundreds of applications in 1991 despite graduating from college with honors. I may not be your parents age, but I can definitely say there were not "drastically reduced efforts" required to get a job 30 years ago. None of this is new for Millennials.
Or the classic "I worked my way through college (in the 70's), why can't you?" 🙄 I'm a Gen X-er. The economy wasn't great in 1991 when I graduated from college, but jobs were available and rent was somewhat reasonable. My 4 years at NYU cost $80,000. Now a single year costs much more. Even state schools, which were started as the affordable alternative to private universities, are now ridiculously expensive.
A Year in the life feels like it was shoehorning what would have been Rory's life right after college into her thirties, it is very clear that Amy Sherman Palladino didn't get to finish her story like she wanted to so she just did it anyway even though it didn't make sense for rory that late in life.
Congrats! you are the only comment that makes sense in this thread... poiningt out that Rory is a fictional character by Amy Sherman Palladino... and now that you bring it up... Could it be possible that WB just cancelled the series because they were anticipating Sherman s plan for the character?...
That was the problem of the revival ASP was petty, she didn't watch the final season, and she just did the season she wanted 10 years later. Like this struggle and pregnancy was supposed to be after Rory graduates college. Luke and Lorelai discussing getting kids just now.
That makes so much sense! I really didn’t get the whole Luke and Lorelei thinking about kids thing in the revival. Like I know people have kids older nowadays, but they’d both be starting completely over, kid not graduating until they’re nearly 60. And Rory getting accidentally pregnant like she doesn’t know how birth control works by the time she’s well into her 30’s...? I know birth control fails sometimes, but that whole revival made no sense for where any of the characters would realistically be at their ages. I knew ASP didn’t do the last season of GG, and It makes complete sense now that she wrote the “final season” she always wanted for Lorelei and Rory, instead of continuing the story that the final season writers wrote.
Eh I think it does make sense actually. I think after Rory went back to Yale she was re-motivated and willing to work hard, and would have coasted on that for a few years. Then after a little while she would have started to falter again because she hasn't actually changed as a person and is still pretty entitled. The revival takes place only 9 years after the end of Season 7, and Rory has been having struggles for a few years now, so the timeline makes sense to me. Plus, it's even more depressing now that she's an adult.
It's so insightful to have watched GG with my own mother when I was a teenager versus watching it now as an adult closer to Loralai's age. I always thought it was strange that Rory was always reading, but never writing. She never showed any real interest in journalism aside from working on the paper in school.
I love how this heaps a ton of blame on Rory, while completely overlooking Lorelai's parenting/role-model fails. Lorelai in her own way is deeply selfish (Shipping Rory of to Europe with her grandma rather than dealing with her) and has terrible relationships (Max Medina, Christopher, and her bailing on Luke multiple times) If Rory failed, Lorelai is somewhat to blame. To distill it to "Millennials bad, lol" is lazy at best.
@@petalchild Well the video and a lot of stuff wants to make her entirely responsible for herself, but the show's entire narrative shows how Lorelai, her grandparents, Chilton, and all 3 of her boyfriends had a pretty heavy hand in some of her issues. Lorelai, Emily, and Richard can all be incredibly selfish and unaware. Dean didn't challenge her, Jess challenged her too much (and was also a kid being a total jerk until matured by the time she goes to Yale) and Logan enabled all her worst behavior. Rory didn't fail. They all did
@@rgermanix yeah but she should still take some accountability for her own actions, your environment and the people surrounding you are really important especially in the formative years when becoming who you are, but when it gets to a certain point at the end of the day she still makes her own decisions and choices that have consequences - parents are just trying their best (not excusing those who are just terrible people) they literally have no idea what they’re doing most of the time (especially when you only have one child - no practice) so it’s inevitable that everyone has some bad habits and toxic traits that it’s then up to them once they’ve grown up to become aware of and change to become a better person
@@kiera_klark8171 im not saying has no responsibility. Im just saying she doesn't have all the responsibility. Adult Rory still has people like Lorelai, Emily, and Logan making her life too comfortable to really push herself. No one gets to failure, success, or even mediocrity alone. Also Rory had to contend with the same things all Millennials did (to a degree one imagines) like a massive recession, shrinking job market, etc.
Rory lives in the shadow of loreli's mistakes, she even named rory after her. It is clear that loreli gave up her dreams to raise rory and now loreli needs rory to be successful as evidence that she did the right thing by running away at 16. I love loreli, but she was selfish with rory.
Underrated comment. The story always pushed the idea that Lorelei as taking Rory away from a toxic situation, and money isn't everything, but she just put her in a different situation that rendered not so favorable results, and she has to depend on her parents and their money anyway. But hey, we all make mistakes, it's what keeps the show interesting I guess.
Agree to some extent - but not about giving up on her dreams. If anything, despite a lifetime of pressure from her family, I never really bought that Lorelai had true goals (which is fine, she was 16), just general ideas for the future that were put on her by her own parents. I still agree that she used her daughter in order to live vicariously through her success, but at the same time, it wasn't like Lorelai would even have been able to achieve half of what Rory did - yet the narrative of selfless sacrificing mother was used more to gain audience sympathy than it being an actual reality. Plus, she was pretty successful regardless of being a teen mother while never imo displaying any major qualities that earned her that success.
Lorelai's flaw is she doesn't admit it to herself or to other people when she needs help and Rory follows her footsteps hence why in the revival 32 year old Rory is like 16 year old Lorelai. They're lost and trying to find themselves. Also, at first, I always thought Emily was too selfish but now that I'm older, I realize she may be selfish at times but she always (sometimes) meant well. She was just protective of her family ^^
I watched the show when I was 21 for the first time and while I like the aesthetics & study inspiration, I think the whole premise should be taken with a grain a salt and would make a good essay prompt lol. To me it was clear from the start that Lorelai raised Rory to be such an over achiever to prove her parents that she could make it on her own terms. She did one hell of a job, let's be honest, but the trope of "friend first, mom second" affected Rory upbringing. My mom, who I see as one of my bestest friends who I can talk to about everything, told me that the mom being the friend more than the parent is ultimately a diservice to the child because then she won't be able to see when the child makes mistakes and/or help fix them. The moment Lorelai started doing that Rory didn't like being held accountable all of a sudden and ran to her grandparents, two entitled people, true, but also two people who would do anything to have their granddaughter around, understandably. I know maybe we shouldn't look too deep into it, but it's still a good learning example.
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Have you guys ever considered things from Rory's perspective? From a very young age she was constantly praised for being smart and put together... So she started putting that pressure on herself to be constantly perfect and "have everything her mother didn't"... I believe that would take a toll on anyone... So it's just about time that she at one point exploded...
Also, she was from a blue blooded pedigree family on both parents' sides, but she was also an illegitimate child. That's more added pressure on her that no matter what she did, she may never be good enough for that society's standards.
I did because I was kinda there - smart, a bookworm, mature for her age, never had to crack open a texbook because she got everything she needed from classes, and the eventual realisation that it's just not enough and the subsequent first big lifechanging failure. Granted, I am not from a rich family, have both parents and money was something I was not used to (also didn't steal a yacht but I did drop out of (tuition free) university), but it checks out pretty well. It doesn't excuse the way *Rory and I acted when we cracked but it puts it into perspective. Rory is her own person but also a product of her upbringing to a certain degree. If you're being told by people of authority that you're good and will be successful, you have no reason not to believe it; of course you feel wronged when it doesn't work out because everyone told you it would. Lorelei and her grandparents uninitentionally did her dirty. Edit: found the one person on the entire internet that cares about syntax
I'm all good with that up to a point. Drop out of school, fine. Play your grandparents and mom off eachother because they can't manage their relationship, understandable. But I draw the line at boffing married dudes, stealing yachts, demanding people leave your "study tree"...My right to self destruct is my right. My rights end where your boundaries begin. Hurting other people is not ok.
@@aprilmichel7816 "It didn't excuse the way I and Rory acted" How about "It didn't excuse the way RORY and I acted" Yeah you NEVER had to crack open a textbook huh smdh.
I felt this, I was a G&T kid and was even called a “golden child” by one of my teachers, but then graduated college and was like, “Welp.... I don’t own a company yet, so I failed.” I didn’t even consider that doing normal life things was totally fine. I struggled with myself a lot until I learned to be happy with my life even if it’s not some wild main-character story. I rent a little place with several other single women and some cats, I am at a low position in my company but I make enough money to pay my bills, and I have a little garden. And I’m pretty happy with that :)
I'm nearly 40 now, waiting for a callback on a 2nd job that could let me live semi-comfortably if I go cheap, but I was supposed to be a teacher. That's what I was gonna be my whole life, but it just didn't work out. I realized partway through that I couldn't handle all the thousand little things day after day for decades. It just wasn't me. Didn't help that I'd focused so much on learning and doing the proper classes and such that I missed out how networking became the way you got jobs more than what showed on your transcripts. I had to graduate twice to figure that out, and felt like no matter where I went, I was two steps behind. I gave up & was on the verge of a nervous breakdown when I got to the point where I was working every hour available at three jobs and truly lived just to work Now, I'm hoping to work to live, & get this 2nd job so I have a base wage to plan around and start saving again, and it'll give me time to work on my garden, exercise, take online courses, cook healthy food, be with my pets, and perhaps volunteer again when I have time and enough money saved up. Finding a tangible happy place, even this late in the timeline, is worth it more than clinging to old plans that didn't pan out and bemoaning their loss.
I love it how realistic they portrayed her with all her flaws and failings and not make her a typical "hero" who can't do anything wrong and all the boys can't resist. It is very rare in American TV shows. Remember the scene where she asks a boy out, certain that he will say yes, and the guy was like "No thanks".
I agree with you but not on the boy part. It’s so unrealistic , idk if You’ve seen the New series but even after 20 years Jess and Dean are still obsessed with her and she never properly got rejected honestly like this one time doesn’t really count to me. She’s never had feelings that weren’t reciprocated
I wanted to be Rory so much when I was younger but then watching a year in the life has now made me so glad that I'm not, I think the worst thing about her was her inability to take criticism and accept when she had failed at something. Everyone fails but what actually counts is recognising what went wrong and doing it again and again until you succeed
The part about being spoiled is only *half* true; for all the idyllic things about Rory's formative years, she still had to play parent when Lorelei should've been doing that. Rory's adulthood antics are partly a matter of her being the child she never could be during actual childhood!!
This...this perfectly summarizes my whole reaction to anti-millenial hostility. They're judging a generation that's been hugely screwed over by the ones that came before, and they're using the most priveleged minority among that generation to justify their judgment.
@@lydiafayre9806 perfectly said! Rory was fun to watch when I was a kid/teen but now that I'm an adult I really dislike her character both for her lack of "morals" and for her blatant entitlement. The wrost part is that she doesn't even realise how lucky and blessed she is. She was born into the 1% and still dares to complain, meanwhile the rest of us are working twice or three times harder and are barely getting by. I get what the writers were going with her,. her character arc was atrocious though, I expected so much more from her. I think that the problem with her is the fact that maybe she was praised too much, she lived in a bubble and has no idea what real life looks like. She demonstrated zero self awareness or resilience. Plus the fact that she's pregnant, jobless and a single parent after all the things she was handed drives me nuts. Jesse, on the other hand, evolved magnificently imo :)
Yeah, saying she was meant to represent millennials kinda gives the writers credit they do not deserve when it comes to her arc, largely because the tropes weren't even established yet when the main show was written. It is also, you know, notable that Rory is framed "not like other millennials" when she returns to Star's Hollow - and I'm pretty sure none of those millennials would have shown up to a job interview completely unprepared and gotten offended at the notion of having to have pitches or ideas prepared. I don't think the Palladinos had too firm of a grasp on the story they were telling with Rory and then were given free reign to indulge their mean spirited side in the revival.
She represents those without self awareness. Lack of self awareness is contagious and if you’re lucky enough to have someone to call you out in your bs, hold on to them. Even tho what they say about you hurts. It’s hard to tell the difference between a hater and a honest critic.
Rory getting into the big three does make sense for her character though. She wasn't just a kid with good grades, she was also on the Franklin, she was vice president of the student body, she had an alumni vouching for her and the headmaster of Chilton, and she most likely did very well on her essay and her interview. The only reason Paris didn't get into Harvard was because she bombed the interview badly. Otherwise, she would have gotten in. Rory also had her grandparents influence for Yale.
I think the problem is less that Rory got praised too much, but that no one ever taught her how to handle failure when it happens. I don't like this idea that praising your kids is the problem, it implies people only become good people if you're an asshole to them, and if no one is an asshole to you you'll grow up entitled. It sounds like encouraging bad abusive parenting. No, it's perfectionism, insisting failure is never an option, that screws kids up. Rory never learned how to solve her own problems, not because people helped her too much, but because no one ever told her it's okay to fail. They never taught her HOW to fail. They put TONS of pressure on her and insisted it was ridiculous to think she might fail. When she left Yale her mother abandoned her. She was smothered in their expectations. Which is something I imagine many millennials can relate to.
Yes!! There's nothing wrong with being surrounded by people who support you and hope the best for you, it's about how to manage your life when things don't go your way.
I was addicted to these series back in my late teens, I just loved everything about Rory. Though we did not have the same background, I totally recognized myself in her. Doing really good at school does not make you a confident person and all those expectations well-meaning people put on you don't help getting there. I loved how she was trying to get somewhere despite being shy, reserved and socially awkward. And yes, she did make mistakes and used shortcuts when they were available. Who wouldn't when you already struggle as is. It's really incredible how much judgement that character gets here in this video. Apparently, a woman needs to be no less than perfect in her looks, behavior, speech and what not according to this. Where is the deeper understanding of individual struggles regardless of our background, where is the compassion? Luckily, it's just fictional character but I do recognize in this judgmental monologue how society views women, how it measures them, how it defines what is succes, how it dictates what is humble. We still have a long way to go...
I don't think it's fair to call her the OG Annoying Millennial. Instead she is a perfect example of privilege and what that can do to a person. Also the downfall of the gifted child. Part of her arc was relatable to me as someone who everyone saw as brilliant while growing up but who failed to meet the future I had envisioned for myself. My reasons for not meeting them were due to illness though so not entirely the same. Edit: Just wanna say that I'm healthier now and well on my way to accomplishing my goals so it's never too late ❤
I hear you I can also relate to the downfall of the gifted child. Didn’t grow up in privilege, I was a first-generation college student and did really well in school but also fell ill after graduating and unfortunately having difficulty working full time while I’m focused on improving my health. Things are gradually getting better and hoping to be able to work full time by fall of this year. I’m glad to hear your health is also getting better. This was a big wake up call for me that no matter what health is most important because without it you can’t really achieve the goals and dreams you hope for.
I relate so profoundly to you both. I was a gifted child born with a severe, often debilitating blood disorder. I achieved so little when the expectations that I would be great and accomplished were extraordinarily high. I too am a first generation American and student. I am not dead yet, however. While my life has certainly taken a circuitous, often tragic path, I recognize that I can still make an impact in this life. Best wishes to your health!
Agreed, I don't see anything particularlly millennial-ly about Rori. We don't really have the millennial stereotype here in Russia, but we do have the gifted kid and Rori instantly striked me as one of these.
Also thank you for sharing your stories, I'm sorry all of you had to deal with such awful health issues. I hope you're doing better now and wish you best of luck!
I like it also shows how school doesn’t necessarily prepare you for the real world Rory was really good at school because she didn’t really have to fight for things and was successful by staying the same smart “nice” girl she was perceived but she never grew any tools or traits needed to navigate the real world especially the extremely stressful world of journalism
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I think it’s possible that Rory being the more “mature one” in her household made Rory think that she was more put together and capable than she actually was.
THIS
That's a good perspective!
Yeah there was a video explaining this very well. Rory didn't get to be a teenager when she was supposed to be a teenager because her mother took up that role.
It’s called the “parentified child” in psychology
@@annaeverette8960 oooh do you know what the video is called?
The best development was Jess. His story from 'I hate everything' rebel to a mature adult with an actual job is immaculate.
He still forced himself on Rory in Kyle's bedroom and no one seems to have a problem with that.
@@roter13 he changed that as well.
Beautiful.
And the job being a normal not over the top ludicrous plot line... 👌🏽
This is probably the only time I’ll ever be ok with this but she should get with her stepbrother..... 🤣🥲
I think Rory's downfall is pretty realistic. She grew up being adored and treated like a saint by everyone, so when she went to college and started living in the "real world" she realised she just wasn't that special and crackled. Tbh I think that if her relashionship with Jess had worked out things would be different, since he was one of the few people who called out Rory on her bs.
I agree. I guess I'm in the minority because I found her more likable when she started to struggle.
💯💯💯
Likewise. Rory begins to crack when Logan's dad tells her that he doesn't think that she has the potential to be a successful journalist, sparking off her rebellion and dropping out of Yale, her dream school. And he's proven right later on, since Rory does completely unprofessional things, such as fall asleep when interviewing a source, and fail to prepare at a job interview.
Completely agree about the first part. This is why the reunion mostly worked for me. Re: relationships, she needed to learn to be on her own, and never did. That's why I'm Team Rory Gets Therapy instead of any guy.
You put it perfectly into words
Rory really was the daughter that Emily and Richard wanted. Reliant on them, basically full of herself, but smart enough to go to the best schools like they did. I guess in someway Lorelei saw that stuff as bad and turned away, that’s why every time she runs into an issue with her mom she runs right to her grandparents because they fill up her ego in someway
So true! Lorelai knew what was best for her! Her parents didn’t! She knew staying at home with baby Rory and getting spoiled with gifts wouldn’t help her mature as a woman and as a mom! She needed to leave get herself a job to provide for her and Rory! Yes, she put big expectations on Rory and and acted as if Rory was the most innocent child ever and treated her more like a best friend because she didn’t want a her-and-Emily type of relationship-she didn’t want Rory to end up like her which hasn’t turned out bad at all but she wanted Rory to have a great academic foundation in life! She called her out when she was in the wrong! She provided for Rory as much as she could by herself but even then, I love how she wasn’t too full of pride to ask her parents for money for Chilton! Her humility, honesty and hardworking spirit makes her my favourite character!
Nope. She didn't gain success in a profession, didn't marry well and got knocked up.
@@naturalbby1722 Loreli indulged her child with compliments all the time and failed to firmly correct her when she was wrong.
Rory use and discard men just like her mother does ends up pregnant alone in the end I guess that's why Jess is back in the end like his uncle luke
rory turning into in karen🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🥲
Rory is the character that doesn’t think she is privileged because of her upbringing. Ever since her mom got in touch with her grandparents, she got comfortable and ran to them for everything. It’s not surprising that Rory turned out the way she did.. No one called her out on her mess most of the time and she got used to be praised by everyone in her life.
Also you have to take into account that Rory was not born into the most idyllic family context. As someone born in the same context as hers, no matter how love and material benefits you receive, you suffer a lot because of that, especially as a child.
Logan called her out on her privilege.
If only Lorelei didn't go to her parents to pay for Rory's private school. Rory would of became a whole different journalist.
@@dodgers02007 That’s a really good point. It’s like she shifted from wanting to be a great journalist who really got into the trenches to wanting to just be seen as a successful, special Yale educated journalist. It’s hard to believe that she couldn’t even get a job at a less-prestigious-than NYT paper with her degree. It’s probably her attitude that kept her from being able to get a more than decent reporting job.
@@keckm88 and to add her special Yale educated Gilmore ego was her biggest fault. If she didn't spend her time crying over boys and actually wrote in college; she would've known how to become a successful journalist.
Tbh Paris was my favorite character, whilst she had the same privileges (wealthy, good schools) she completely understood the importance of being driven and hard work. Unlike Rory it was often implied that she didn't have a deep relationship with either of her parents, instead her nanny comes to support her at her graduation bringing along her children (or grandchildren) who Paris knows and has also developed relationships with. In the 'Year' episodes its obvious that her hard work has paid off as she is very successful (there are still some imperfections with her life but she acknowledges them and you feel that she will put in the work to move forward).
Paris knew she was one in the pack of hard-working people, with access to the same privilege, so she needed to push more. Also, once her parents have taxes problems, she went to look for a job, and while she was intensely asking for feedback on the waitress job, it points to the main difference between Paris and Rory, Paris was always looking to get better, Rory assumed she was perfect.
Paris had a major setback when she didn't get accepted into Harvard. Maybe it ended up for her benefit to have gone through that
@Erwin Lii the cristina yang comparison is so spot on
Paris understood that she was part of a legacy. She didn't want to be the weak link, whether it came to being Puffed or getting into Harvard. She wanted to be the best and had the drive to accomplish it.
@@sonias9722 totally, and she actually started to see a kind of therapist after that (Even is the series treat this like a joke). It was somehow helpful that she got less and less idealistic relationships and that people didn't like her
I liked it how they didn't sugarcoat it and showed that people don't always end up successful by the age of 30
EXACTLY! I dont understand why so many people critic rory. Of course she makes a lot of mistakes, but so as everybody, especially as they grown up... Lorelai have her moments too. I like the ideia that lorelai went to a different path to what everybody expected for her and had a good life, as rory she did everything to have a life of sucess and didnt get it, but when she decided to do a different thing that was planned (write a personal book) it seemed it turned alright. I think that the big ideia of the show - at least that what I think of.
@@marinasedycias I like this idea too, honestly I thinj her failure is not only because she was a privileged milennia I think it's all about potential and how sometimes you cant meet the expectations.
Maybe it has to do with many people having watched the show while they were younger, themselves putting Rory on a pedestal and thinking of her as a role model. I remember watching Gilmore Girls when I was older, and while I really liked the show and the characters, I couldn't help but think that Rory was just too perfect and unrealistic. I'm glad they showed her imperfect side
That’s not the problem for me. Rory not being successful at 30 is perfectly acceptable and normal. It’s how she reacted and handled not being the superstar success she thought she should be by 30.
@@michalhanna4374 Well, it is absolutely normal to go through disillusionment and make questionable choices at some point of our lives, imo
My favourite character is Lane, she managed to do things by herself learning independency by taking a job, married the guy she loved, having two babies, following her dream in music and having to continue her family's business which during the whole show was a good way to make money.
OMG no ! Lane appears to be the first clue of what is coming for Rory. Poor Lane, she was and wanna be free, transgressive, an artist living for her art all across the country, the opposite of her mother's lifestyle... And she ended up no having sex before marriage, having twins after one intercourse, claiming that good sex is a pop culture lie, she will never leave Stars Hollow and she works with her mother to raise a family. I assume she's happy, of course, but she failed on her own way just like Rory did.
hell no they did lane dirty she deserved so much better
@@yurmom_ Definitely ! She should have ended up with Dave, not Zack...
@@oliviafortin9197 So true, they both wanted leave so bad and ended up in square one.
@@oliviafortin9197 I loved lanes ark until she got engaged to zack. She should’ve turned him down and started her own band, and then in the reboot we could see her working as a producer or smth
Honestly, Paris wasn't socially intelligent but she was everything Harvard would want and worked to get there, she should've gotten in.
I thought it was so bizarre that Paris didn’t get into Harvard and Rory did considering Paris did better than her in school AND had generations of her family go there before her.
She blew the interview. Remember the recording? She was rude. But yale worked out well and later she did go to Harvard. Because while Rory thought well done with college I'm gonna be a superstar now because I'm a Gilmore and bc everyone likes me, Paris went to medical school and law school finished Harvard and yale and achieved a lot. Rory didn't even grow up or learn to adapt to journalism of the 21st century
@@emilycain2137 Paris screwed up her interview remember? She screamed at the person giving the Interview.
Trueeee
While you're all correct about Paris screwing up her interview, in the real world all she needed was for daddy to write a check and that big envelope would have been on it's way. Especially if they have a Harvard legacy.
Rory was the type of girl who wanted to struggle but not really struggle. She liked the look and feel of it but as long as she had a safety net. I’ve heard some say Jess was better because he called her out on her sh*t but so did Logan. Rory was the only one who didn’t see it.
Logan after her story after his party. I think it was the chip Lorelai put, like being rich is bad, and somehow they are better because they "struggle". That is my problem with Jess when he talked to Rory that they used to mock people like Logan.
A safety net is not a bad thing, almost everyone has one somewhere. Jess got help from Luke. Even Lorelai, who we see as this incredibly independent pioneer woman, actually had a lot of help from the people of Stars Hollow, the hotel she started working for let her live onsite with a baby. She made it into the paper even, as you see in the revival, presumably so people could drop by and help. I think Lorelai couldn't help seeing herself as more sophisticated and the townspeople as essentially sitcom characters, because lets face it, that is what they were for the most part and she needed to stay sane (she's not from that world, we get it) but she learns to live and let live as well. They let her talk fast, for example. Rory's mistake was to see herself as above the safety net of Stars Hollow, and allow herself to be manipulated by her grandparents' wealth, which is a different kind of safety net.
Logan did call her out on occasion, but he also enabled some of her worst behavior. And he was always quick to use his connections in various situations. Logan's biggest obstacle was that he felt forced to work for his father, and yet he never seriously considers just walking away and forging his own path.
Exactly. That's why Logan was always my favorite. I do not acknowledge his actions in the revival.
Both Lorelai and Rory are very guilty of this. Lorelai runs to mom and dad for money for Rory's private education. That irritated me, what was wrong with public school? Lorelai knows she wont really struggle, parents are there for her.
The thing I don't like about the pregnancy with Rory is that it feeds into the idea that you grow up once you become a parent. That's not true, and is a dangerous way of thinking.
or that having a baby ends your life
I disagree, I thought that was perfect for her character - Rory was raised by a young, immature mother who acted more like a teenager than an adult, got pregnant by accident, and parentified her. That was all rory knew, and then she went on to continue the cycle, becoming the same hot mess her mother was (albeit later in life) and also ending up with an accidental pregnancy. I didn’t feel it promoted being a parent at all, quite the opposite. But I thought it was very realistic for rory’s character specifically to end up that way.
I had the exact same thought. I also wish there were more legitimately child free representation in media because parenthood isn't for everyone nor is it some inevitability that everyone has to face. I understand that it takes the show full circle, but I still wish they had gone in a different direction.
I think for a pregnancy in the plot for Rory's character makes more sense than the terrible turnout that was written for Lane, a very loveable character through the whole series and she end up pregnant with twins after having sex the first time on her honeymoon and both her and Zack absolutely did not want kids, she even tells Rory this baby sucks when she finds out lol
I mean she's been sexually active for like 5 years by the time the show ended I'm surprised she wasn't pregnant before this. And just Bc she's pregnant now doesn't mean she's keeping it.
I love when Logan checks Rory on her privilege. Logan knew who he was and wasn’t about to have rory talk shit
yeah but he was still pretty toxic
@@kirtu9035 I felt sorry for him he had an sob for a dad and a grand dad and his mother was a stuck up cold digger his sister was the only decent one.
@Kirtu you’re right but the difference is that Logan has been out in the real world and knew the real world can be cruel. Rory was always sheltered and coddled by everyone growing up, from her mom to her grandparents to the rest of Stars Hallow. Once she enters the real world and takes criticism she doesn’t respond to it well. Everyone’s gonna take some shots. It’s all about how you respond. Rory thinks her life is a straight line but learns the hard way how things don’t always go your way.
@@kirtu9035 He was as toxic as Rory (or less) which actually made him a good match for Rory, if only she knew herself the way Logan knew himself.
@@DesiCat789 true though
Honestly as a young girl I saw Rory as a role model, to just work diligently and do what I'm told, and thought that everything else would fall into place. Now I find myself in a similiar situation, with some of the same bad traits. Only difference is boys/men didn't magically fall in love with me, and my shyness wasn't seen as "adorable" and my parents/grandparents didn't have money, still I somehow ended up entitled and with that same mentality, that I was "supposed to be successful". I take this video as inspiration to work on myself.
It's beautiful that you are able to see your mistakes! I would say I am in the same position as you, and I believe firmly that is never too late to improve. Honestly, it's nice to see other people going through this, good luck with everything!
Honestly, same here. My boomer parents lived out their 'Rory life' but back then the economy was different. They got a job they wanted right after college, I didn't. And they were the average middle class people growing up. No connections at high places or anything like that. Even now with a phd and somewhat on track to a research career, I still feel like I'm following a not-so-well-thought-out path. On the other hand, it really is just getting more and more difficult to get a job, ANY job. I can only hope the generation raised by millennials would have a more realistic and grounded upbringing than the one I had. Social media influence aside.
Same! I'm a millennial raised by boomers. I had a similar upbringing to Rory. Always told how brilliant, special, and mature I was but also disparaged whenever I struggled. I became completely averse to risk & failure by the time I was in high school. I knew something was wrong so I joined the military, but that just made things worse. I'm living down the consequences now. I think tho as long as you learn from your mistakes (which aren't really mistakes), that IS the success. The rest is just status in the eyes of others.
I feel you. I grew up as a "prodigy" child, always being told by parents, relatives and teachers how smart I was and that I had such a bright future ahead. Only when I got to college did I realize how average I was and that I had no determination to study and apply myself; I had good grades at school with very little effort but that just wouldn't do anymore. I never learned how to overcome a challenge and never felt the need to do so.
Now, at almost 30, I have a degree in engineering that I feel no connection to whatsoever, and feel I wouldn't even know what to do with. I'm working at a job that is nowhere near what I'd like to be doing and pays just enough to make ends meet. Still, I'm so afraid of challenges that I'd rather stay at the same unfulfilling job being underpaid than take a risk at something else. I also think my lack of experience in my field makes me more and more unhirable as I get older.
Thing is, I am aware of the problem and what made me like this. What I lack now is the knowledge and the courage to break free from it and try to change my life.
@@wonipowa7542 Thank you, I appreciate that. Although it arguably set me back, I do feel my head is on straight now and that I have the self-awareness & empathy I was missing before. If that's all I'm here to accomplish, I'm happy with that 😊
For me, Rory's downfall really started when she dropped out of Yale in season 5/6, but her weaknesses are even hinted at in earlier seasons, like when she had a meltdown in Chilton because she failed one test. I think Lorelai was so focused on providing her opportunities and making sure she got everything she wanted that she never properly taught Rory how to deal with the one thing we will all inevitably encounter: failure. Sometimes even being smart and doing your best is not good enough to secure success.
Also, what happens to Rory happens in real life to many children who are pushed towards the achievement of perfection, but don't have the necessary amount of stamina and end up being delusional. In the end of the day Rory did not have any real goal, she was just obsessed with an idealized vision of Harvard, like she was living in some dark academia fantasy.
Also, her first semester, when she was advised to drop one subject, we saw her crying to Dean, but we never saw her assimilate the advice.
@@gianmarcorusso1713 Oh, yes! I was this talented kid. To be wunderkid at 10 it is enough to be able to read faster than others, play the accordion, and draw a little. Fortunately, I realized early enough that I am pretty regelar person and there are a lot of people who smarter than me. So I stopped watching the show in season 5, Rory started to piss me off, I began to see myself in her.
@@EvgeniaT-i7u I totally can relate as I have a similar story, so I saw myself in Rory as well ;)
I think her downfall started when she slept with the married Dean, with stupid reasons. I started disliking the show after that.
As the show progressed, I couldn't help getting more and more uncomfortable with the way Rory was acting. She was amazing in the first seasons, but then she became a bad person, entitled to getting her way and never taking responsibility for her actions. That's the saddest thing ever to me
Good points
@X Y funny ha ha you are h i l a r i o u s
@X Y bro u are so sad
@X Y what point are you trying to make here? Where did you read feminism into this lmaoo, embarrassing for you.
exactly. and she carried on her self centered behavior in the revival, from her expecting an easy job offer, to the cheating. luckily I've met a lot of millenials with more sense than her, though 🤣
Logan was 100% on the "you're one of us" speech. She was judging and looking down on her friends, peers, and boyfriend yet while they were growing up and setting goals she was stuck on the judgment box and "I'm not one of you" trope. I loved that moment when Logan ripped the bandaid off and showed her the privilege she has.
This privilege you speak of is what the palladino’s disdain or they thought their audience secretly wanted to see Rory fail? Because most of the audience let’s face, it doesn’t have the privilege that Rory had . otherwise they wouldn’t have Rory fail towards the end . Sort of a writing slap in the face of people like the Gilmores. And a pat on the back or reinforcement for those who believe in a more socialistic environment?
@@songman1955 Your response was edited, but still makes no sense.
I mean.🙄 We don't have to feel sorry for the other _poor little_ privileged, upper-class A-holes she hung out with, do we? 😅 Lol
She has to feel different if she wants to achieve something. There is no success when people feel entirely like their average-performing friends. However it's true she should have kept that opinion to herself.
I hate how much Gilmore Girls tries to portray Lorelei and Rory as poor, just because you didn’t live in excess, doesn’t make you underprivileged.
EXACTLY!!
To me they did live in excess. All the food they ordered omg 😂 how did they pay that
They were never portrayed as poor just less privileged than lorelei's upbringing
I think it’s meant to be more when Rory was a baby... when the show starts they are much more settled but it’s implied they actually hit several markers of poverty before then
Yes, the safety net of Lorelai's parents was always looming.
The way Rory repeatedly forgot about Paul in the revival irked me. Then I realised that she was so used to being fawned over in her small town, that once she got to college, and realised that everyone was just as smart as her, she couldn't take it, and used him as a crutch.
Big fish, small town.
Another example of White Pretty Privilege
Yup!! I couldn’t even finish the revival.
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@@mfmageiwatch It must be nice to live in a small perfect bubble where someone pointing out that a white person has privilege is racism to you. Get a grip
To me Rory turned out to be much like her father Christopher.
Underrated comment! Yes, that rudderless, directionless, unsettled energy in Rory was quite Christopher-esque.
Yup. Everything her mother fought against. Selfish and entitled and not wanting to settle down.
@@kerrysater157 lorelai IS selfish and entitled and has a long line of unsuccessful relationships just because she wasnt mature enough to work on them so she just bailed everytime
She treats her parents horribly and never once takes a step back and reflect on how her actions were part of the problem
Often took advantage of people around her especially luke
Raised rory horribly by literally worshipping her and almost never reprimending her and projecting her failed life onto her, she was always a friend first and a parent second, she boosted rorys ego relentlessly and overall was just as horrible as rory if not more since she was the main reason behind rorys spoiled attitude
Wow I've never thought about it. It's so true!
@@wonder0663 I get what she did in her relationships and specially to luke was wrong. But Lorelai wasn’t entitled. Her parents treated her horribly so she treated them the same but less severe.
I think class was a HUGE part of Rory's downfall. Let's not forget, she turned down a permanent, full time writing job with a salary and a 401K at a less well known, less prestigious newspaper for a chance at a 6 month, unpaid internship with arguably one of the most famous newspapers in the world. Any person who needs a job to pay rent and bills knows that's a pretty easy decision to make, but Rory turns up her nose at it because she has no concept of money due to constantly being bailed out by Emily and Richard.
Agree. I feel that what really happened was she got confused bc she had 2 distinctively different lives/POVs thrown at her at the same time at a formative stage in her life and she couldn’t separate and analyse them so she made choices from a very confused sense of self.
In the very end, Logan’s privilege enhanced that side of her as well. She was making choices that a Season 1 or 2 Rory would never make bc even if she felt defeated or found some difficulties, S1&2 Rory would always work harder. She didn’t back down and just give up like Rory giving up after Mitchum told her she didn’t have it. S1&2 Rory would NEVER react that way.
She reminds me of the book Andy from the Devil Wears Prada. In the book, Andy constantly acts like she's too good to be there and that everything asked of her is too much. Rory doesn't see the value of being a part of something small and seeing how it will have a huge impact on her life. Take my best friend. She didn't come from a rich family but wanted to be an artist. She found a way to go to school without debt, has worked shitty gig work jobs to make ends meet, and even subs at the school I work at from time to time.All while running an LLC because she knows this will land her eventually where she wants to be. Compare that to my sister inlaw who is like Rory. She's never had a real job and refuses to grow in any meaningful way.
Agree, what will she do when Emily passes away?
I think you feel miserable because she had the chance and the means and you don't.
@@cheesecake4648 ad hominem is faulty logic.
Rory lost me immediately when she kept dragging Dean along despite liking Jess
Dean didn't deserve her. He broke up with a 15-year-old girl because he was emotionally manipulative and possessive. Rory wasn't sure if she loved him and wasn't ready to say it. That's what emotionally manipulative men do, try to manipulate the emotions of other people.
@@sdarling6518 I really hate this opinion and here is why-- you label Rory as a child, and Dean-- who is the exact same age as Rory a "man", what's the difference? They were both kids figuring shit out, this id the one case I call it a draw between the two but Rory cheated on Dean and continued to be with him and also be mad at Jess for no reason. Rory treated Dean terribly, point blank.
@@sdarling6518 He was also a 15 year old kid. He was upset because he thought she didn't love him and he over reacted, you know, like kids do
Tbh I believe that was quite realistic. Rory tried her best to convince herself that she didn't have feelings for Jess, hence continued the relationship with Dean since she did love him, and he treated her well (contrary to popular belief, I dont think he treated her well since he was quite emotionally manipulative). The love triangle (sorta) between the three, is really common in high school so I personally believe it was understandable. Dean didn't deserve it but it happens
She lost me when she had the affair with him.
I wouldn’t call the Gilmores “upper middle class.” They’re definitely established old money.
Upper middle class is having dentist parents who aren't stars in that field, I'd say.
I think they meant Lorelai, but yeah, Emily and Richard were ooooooold money, they came in the mayflower 😅🙄
Emily and Richard are 100% old money, they’ve been wealthy their entire lives. I think Lorelai could be working to upper middle class. By today’s standards she would be upper but back then probably only working middle class. The money issues came and went whenever the story called for it, but at the same time she could afford to eat out everyday...
Very definitely so. Upper class is often not acknowledged in popular culture, but they exist. What would middle class even mean if there weren't an upper class?
@@MarieJes23 What does old money mean?
Honestly, I love Lorelai's character, but a lot of what makes up Rory's downfall is the way Lorelai raised her. She always complimented her a bit too often. She inflated her daughter's ego all the time. She also never really reprimanded her except maybe a couple times, but it never stuck and it seemed like she always gave in for fear of Rory not liking her or not talking to her. It's understandable to a degree because Lorelai tried so hard to be the opposite of her own mother, but it ended up hurting Rory's growth and development.
Agreed. Plus, we know who to look to to figure out where Rory learned to treat her boyfriends so badly. I loved Lorelai's character when I first watched the show in college, but I watched it again when the reboot came out, and I found her so immature.
@@AllthePrettyPurses Exactly. She handled a lot of situations very poorly. Yes, me too. Honestly to me, it seemed like Lorelai grew up and matured over the series while Rory regressed and became more immature. I definitely like Rory more at the beginning and Lorelai better at the end.
I think that Lorelai depended too much on her daughter due to her own immaturity. That is why she wasn't able to function correctly as parent and a grown-up person.
Bah! BS. The only reason Rory has issues at age 30 is because the mtr fkr script writer wrote it so. She is a fictitious character, the writer just by fingering on a keyboard can change her problems into a blissful successful life.
No she didn’t. The real problem was that Lorelai always called Rory her pal first, daughter second.
It's so interesting. It's like GGs is showing two types of motherhood to avoid. Emily with her constant criticism, and Lorelai with her constant praise. They're opposites in terms of their emotional color, but ultimately they're both setting rigid expectations of the child. Lorelai at least has the temperament to break away from the overbearing home life and forge her own path. But the near constant praise turned the easygoing and naturally gifted Rory into somewhat of a narcissist, without skills to cope with adversity.
this is a good take. i personally want a future series about rory's kid because i'm dying to know how that turns out. ahhhh
I love both Emily and Lorelai but both of them should of never been mothers because they seem to be beyond that so much
Insightful
Wow what a beautifully written comment.
Agreed,I both thought the more I watch them the more I remember how my mom acted near me,& it was just mind blowing knowing this show had two parents of two types of narcissism.
If there was another GG tv show with,Rory’s child I hope she treated her kid to be independent,if not at least we saw Jess & Lane breaking the cycle of their families problems,but I mean they at least matured! If you be independent & not mature then that’s just as bad!
The problem with Rory´s downfall is how lacks self awareness. She sleeps with a married man ;still is the very small town´s favorite girl, drops out of yale ; still graduates with honors ,cheats on her boyfriend with an engaged ex and is a terrible worker ; the camera focusses on her face and sad music as if i had to feel sorry for her. The deconstruction of a character can be good, but with Rory the narrative espected me to side with her and have no sympathy with the people she hurt (oh haha, she is so funny that she can't remember breaking up with her boyfriend, haha) , i hated her so much on the revival.
Plus Amy didn't really give her a redemption arc to make her likeable again. The show ended before she could actually make any amends.
Honestly, I felt that the narrative was very neutral on its commentary of her. We see the world through the eyes of Lorelai and Rory (and to a lesser extent Luke and Emily) and through that lens we're going to see how things affect her emotionally. It's a deconstruction of her character through her own eyes-she can't see it, and so it's hard for us to see it, but if you step back you definitely CAN see it. But that's done intentionally, because I think the show is showing how easy it is for a person to become that way without them even realizing it, because even the viewer will see it without realizing that this is really the intention for her character. Idk if I'm saying this right, but I feel that the show portrayed her very honestly and let us form our own opinions on her rather than provide commentary on its characters through structure and emphasis.
this!
@@andreatorrealba7639 Not all stories get redemption arcs.
Yes!
When I was a teen : Rory was my favourite.
Now that I'm an adult : Paris is my favourite.
honestly, I aspire to be like paris
Paris is psychotic lol. you got some more maturing to do
@@rishaa682 She learns to chills out more in a year of the life and ends up owning her own successful business despite not getting into the university of her choice and having major accomplishments passes by her by Rory.
She's a hard worker who learns to take rejection and still continues to work hard and eventually succeed and I think those are great qualities to aspire towards.
@@dantilion7915 and rory also showed psychotic behavior herself. Paris actually did get into harvard at the end at the end of season seven
Paris had far more integrity than Rory.
Rory's not a journalist and never was. Even watching when it aired, it never seemed like the right profession for her: she's so introverted and logical and needs structure; journalism doesn't suit her.
Jess was the first person to bring that up to her and she couldn't handle the truth 😂 Rory liked the idea of being a journalist, but not the reality.
Agreed
Seriously. Rory thrived in organizational roles, not in investigative ones. Event management might have been a good career for her, but as an actual career and not as a hobby like her grandmother did it basically.
Am I the only one who thinks Rory would make at least a half-decent teacher? Put her back into the world where she thrived the most.
@@AndrielleHillis seriously. She should have taken that job offer from the headmaster.
Rory may not be a likable character but this series can definitely happen in real life. Watching this made me reflect on myself and think of the person I don't want to be.
exactly. i related a lot to season one rory; shy, quiet, loving to read, striving for perfection at school... but as the seasons progressed, i got really scared that i was going to turn out like she did because i pretty much hear the same things she did (you're so smart, wow so talented, you will do amazing in life, you can do anything) from people around me. this show actually makes you reflect on your choices. i think the only reason im not failing like her is because im not an only child (lol) which kind of helps to usually reflect on what i say and do and how others feel, and rory is just nice out of manners, she is very immature
@@kirtu9035 I tried avoiding this show cause it makes me think of my hs self where I wasn’t the academic gifted person but someone who didn’t like school. As I have entered to uni things have gotten better & learned things thru. Ngl a lot of the stuff I do is by doing “life hacks” cause I don’t like wasting my time yk 😅
@@kirtu9035 I'm an only child. It doesn't mean you don't know how to reflect? 😂 tf 😭
@@alyanashephard1916 lmao i wrote this a yr ago bro idk what i said
I think the point is that Rory maybe you. You may not be the hero. Every now and again, take stock of yourself and get perspective.
Rory gave me motivation to do my schoolwork, then she gave me the motivation to stop watching the show.
Haha, same here, I was definitely a Rory during my school days, only to become mildly rebellious later on.
Hahaha
😂😂😂😂
Thank you 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 i really hated her at the end..... but i will always love lori❤
Same same same 😭
Soooo, no one is going to point out how she didn't really have a healthy relationship with Lorelai. They were more friends than mother and daughter. Lorelai failed repeatedly to put boundaries and be a parent instead of a bff.
Infact in italian the show is called "Una mamma per amica", which actually means a mother who acts like a bff, kinda makes sense hahaha
Lorelai was 16 and came from the trauma of her house when she had Rory. So instead of being a mum like her own mum, she decides to be a BFF to Rory. maybe a BFF type of relationship that she wanted from her own mum.... my thoughts
exactly, Lorelai put the standard of Rory being the nature one of the house, that is a pressure no kid should have to deal with. Lorelai did not act like an adult
she defended rory when terese got mad at her for sleeping with dean.
@@swiftie4ever2010 To be fair, moms would do a lot of nagging on their own but no mom would let another person berate her children
One of the best moments in the later seasons was when Logan put Rory in her place and told her just how privileged she was.
One of my favorites. And it was so interesting how offended she was. "No, I'm the poor little girl who's Mom was a maid. I lived in a shed!" Except she was also a Gilmore and since she was 16, getting all the advantages that being the granddaughter of Richard and Emily afforded her.
Logan was a terrible person lol
Notably, in season 7, which had a completely different writing staff. And don't get me wrong, it was not a good season, but all the good things that happened in it, that could have put people on a better path, were walked back in the revival when the Palladinos got the show back.
@@rishaa682 how? Personally I really like Logan, I think he was a great boyfriend for Rory back
then. However I did not like how they ended in “ a year in the life”. And yeah there were definitely questionable things but he was always there for Rory and he was upfront and honest with her sense day 1.
@@rishaa682 I think he understood his place though, although he should have stood up to his father.
she was so stressed out about her college application and "not doing enough activities" when she already does a ton of volunteering for her town. why didn't she just put down those activities on her application? running a rummage sale with her mom, always playing in little plays for the holidays, helping save money to repair the bridge, etc etc. she did a lot of things yet it never occurred to her that those things count as volunteering work.
I didn’t realize that
u don't know that she didn't tho
I can't say I've ever watch Gilmore girls but I've seen it before it's a great show and I think I'm going to binge it I had no idea things were so bad for Rory she always seems so put together
I think one of the things that cause the Rory's downfall is herself entitlement and the fact that she could so easily run to her grandparents whenever she's in trouble or has a problem and doesn't know how to handle it she should have been more like her mom everything gets handed to her and her grandparents caused her to have a massive ego because of constantly telling her that she special who could be more qualified than you?
She's a hardworking intelligent smart girl but her entitlement or white millennial attitude has drastically ruined her life
Those volunteer activities are nothing though. Ivy League applicants volunteer in more meaningful ways then doing a rummage sale. I’ve known kids in high school who applied to ivy leagues and they would spend a summer volunteering in third world countries over the summer. Kids who have that drive to go to prestigious schools usually map out a plan freshman year and get it down.
I admire Paris’s work ethic
In real life Paris would have been the valedictorian and Harvard accepted.
Best character on the show. Except for Mrs. Kim of course
@@gertrudessle2062 and Kirk!!!!
I like that at least she got the career she wanted
@@avokanima3403 Kirk had every job in the town. Now that is a work ethic to be admired, but his tax filings must have been a nightmare.
Uh, no. Most women who are narcissists do not suddenly change because they become mothers. The just become narcissistic mothers, and continue to see the world, including their children's lives, as revolving around them.
Very good point. I highly doubt that Rory would be as supportive and selfless a mother as Lorelai because none of those traits were ever encouraged in her.
I feel like the word narcissist is thrown around too much. Rory isn’t a narcissist, a real example of narcissism in Gilmore Girls is Emily in the early seasons.
Lorelai continued to be self-absorbed and shallow, well after she had Rory--motherhood seemingly didn't change her.
@@oviya3042 i disagree. There's actually a moment in 2x16 which proves that her sense of guilt and compassion is far more genuine than rory's.
The few people that rory seems to care about/is respectful towards all have one thing in common: she is financially dependent on them. The second that she saw a chance to get away and make her own money, she took it by manipulating lorelai into agreeing to a book deal
You really should check up on what Narcissi really is because you are so off the course with this one.
I've always hated the Logan = Christopher thing. They are not similar people, despite the wealth and bad-boy antics. If anything Logan is more similar to Richard. A rich Yalie with a fondness for pranks and mischief, who grows up to become a work dork.
Yeah, exactly! And I also really struggle with the Jess = Luke thing. Like, other than the fact they both pine for their respective Gilmore Girl, what do they have in common? Dean is more of a Luke type character (and at one point, the show has Dean literally compare his situation with Rory to Luke's situation with Lorelai) than Jess ever was. And it's not like Dean was in sort supply of 'pining-over-a-Gilmore-Girl-syndrome' so.
So does Christopher, he rejoins privileged world and becomes worker
@@BadWolfRT Luke never degraded Lorelai by making her the other woman, though. Even if you were to argue that Dean is similar to Luke in that way, he never made Lorelai suffer from his actions and inability to move on the same way Dean did by cheating on Lindsay with Rory. And Dean's "support" always came with him expecting Rory to spend time with only him and to only ever be interested in him, whereas even when Luke was insecure and even found out about Lorelai sleeping with Christopher, he didn't just yell at her the same way Dean always had the habit of doing so with Rory.
Love how Rory called Logan a “work dork” while she herself is struggling to get a job, so ironic.
I watched Gilmore Girls when I was in high school, and I initially really admired Rory for being a sweet, intelligent, and seemingly down-to-earth girl. I wanted to be just like her! But that admiration started waning when she went to Yale and it dropped exponentially when she dropped out of Yale. Now when rewatching the show, I realize that I was a lot like Paris- determined, chronically anxious and working hard to reach the end-goal.
I dropped the show very early on so I didn't know about the dropping out story before seeing this vid. I just burst out laughing. If I took opinions of middle-aged white men this seriously, I wouldn't live long :D
I agree with this and I am realising I am Paris and honestly I would probably be closer to Paris if I was friends with Rory because she is a lovely and fun person to be around
The most hilarious fall of hers was when Logan’s dad told her she wouldn’t get far and threw a semester long fit, took advantage of her grandparents, refused to talk to her mom, refused to understand she was privileged while accepting it then ‘tried’ to be rebel. What’s worse is that no one would directly call her out so she never really had any character growth.
Hahaha yes, and years later, we see he was absolutely right, she didn't have it as a journalist. Maybe she will have it as a writer and hopefully as a single mother.
Jess called her out on her self-destructive path. Logan called her out on her privilege and stupidity to go down because of his father's opinion about her doing a stupid internship. Paris and Doyle indirectly called her out on her lack of work ethics. She had a lot of people of her same age surrounding her and growing up while learning to live a real life like her but she never got to listen to them because she thought she was special and unique and didn't deserve to be treated like any other person would be treated doing the same experiences as her.
JESS DID CALL HER OUT!!!!!!
Her mother tried to call her out, but she wouldn't talk to her.
So in conclusion, it was good writing for everyone else but bad writing for her character smh
I love that the show gave Rory a downfall, and this vid explains why so well. I related to Rory as a young gifted kid who skated by with ease and was constantly praised, and I relate to her now as a nearly 30-something who is directionless, failing to find work and far too easily discouraged by criticism.
A few years ago I dated a Gilmore Girls super fan. After a few months, she asked if I'd watch through the series with her. So I did. Saw every single episode, including the four-part new thing on Netflix.
Wasn't a bad show, though I grew to dislike Rory a lot. Whatever defense could be said for her -- that she's young, that everyone has a rogue phase, etc. - doesn't really matter, I still wouldn't want to be acquainted with her in real life. Consider her behavior in the Netflix special: she spends the entire year cheating on her boyfriend, Paul, someone she'd already been dating for some time. And she's cheating on him with Logan, who is engaged to another woman altogether. She cheated on Dean with Jess; she cheated on Logan with Jess, too, and I don't care if it was just one kiss. She hooked up with Dean while he was married. And then that entire meltdown, when she stole a boat, dropped out of school, stopped talking to her mom, moved out to her grandparent's pool house, and was an a-hole to her grandmother when she moved out of that pool house; these are not "everyone makes mistakes" territory, this is "Rory is a bad person" territory.
The reaction Rory had to the whole incident with the boat was astonishing for me and I didn’t buy it at all.
You have been a role model and have rooted values about honesty and correctness and sense of responsibility. Now you steal a boat with this guy you just started dating, and you spend the night in JAIL, you will have a criminal record for life that has consequences in your career and life, and…. Your reaction is “it’s no big deal”!?? Fuck off honestly.
The true reaction with this kind of girl would be “holly shit this is real, I’m breaking up with this guy who is a bad influence, and I’m not losing my mind anymore if I can avoid it, as I don’t want to mess all my future up (even more).
but no. It was “well what’s next?” I think that’s when I was already too demotivated with the show to care anymore .
Rory's issue is not just that she doesn't pay the consequences for her actions, but she doesn't realize how what she does can ruin other peoples lives. Like Paul and especially Dean's. In real life theyre lives would be horribly ruined. And she doesn't even care
I first started watching gilmore girls two months ago when my boyfriend recommended it and it was hard to get into at first. I asked my boyfriend what was wrong with rory right away because I could sense something was off and it wasnt just that she was weird. And he said "oh nothing she's just shy and awkward" and then a few episodes later I asked if she was going to sleep with tristan at the party after her a dean broke up. And my bf said "no she doesn't do that kind of thing!" And honestly I feel like if she didnt love or are about dean then she would have just gotten with tristan but instead she gets back with dean only to cheat on him a couple episodes later with jess. Like come on. And then choosing yale over hardvard and then eventually sleeping with dean
Who is married. And she still does not pay any consequences for her actions. And then everything that happened during her melt down with logan. And then running back home and hiding behind her grandparents legs like a small child. I saw a problem with her since like season two and it kind of shocks How he sorts of defended her and made her sound like she was just trying to figure stuff out but she was a bad person. I'm glad to see that other people agree
Yeah, I really liked Rory in the earlier seasons, but was so disappointed in the bad choices she makes. Same thing with Dean. For me, it seemed out of character for these two. With Jess & Logan, each of them made plenty of bad choices, but it was more realistic to their characters, and both of them made (at least some) improvements over time.
I think they could have had plenty of drama and interesting story lines without changing Rory's & Dean's characters like that. It was nice to see that Dean got back on track and was happy with a family at the very end.
Exactly! Rory is awful.
Rory’s story is all too relatable for those of us who coasted through the early parts of our lives through a mix of craftiness and luck. It all comes tumbling down in adulthood when hard work is so much more important than being able to “hack it”.
Unless!
You hack it - by becoming a haX0r :O
*big brain moment*
Theres no way you can call what rory experienced as just "craftiness & Luck" so i hope thts not what youre saying
@B Babbich by hard work was actually meant self - discipline, focus, and necessary sacrifices required to create and maintain Self-Determination or total lifelong independence
It's ironic that as Lorelai matured and made a commitment to Luke, Rory became more childish and entitled, ending up a liar and a cheater.
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Was it rory’s more cynical outlook that made her more childish instead of her previous wholesome innocence
Entitled is a stretch but she did get more cynical
Let's remember that Lorelai started out as a teen single mom, and not use the term single parent as an insult.
@@Ilikefrogs.. usually single parents end up being single parents because of dumb decisions, it's not like the vast majority are widowed
But are we going to get a Gilmore Girls movie with that cliff hanger ending
Really can't blame Paris for hating Rory in the beginning. Most successful people I know now were like Paris in high school - frantic and hardworking. Rory never realized she had a gilded life.
I'm glad she and Paris became friends eventually. But Paris as a character seemed almost like a caricature in the beginning. Fundamentally unlikeable and mega neurotic. Then again, Rory was portrayed in equally unrealistic way, so 🤷♀️
oh god this argument is so stupid. rory got better scores than paris because she worked hard too but worked smarter than her somehow. paris always felt threatened by rory's intellect and tried to kill her confidence the early days rory joined the school. when she realized rory is being more kind towards her than her other friends she started to stop hating rory. paris was so threatened by rory cos she knew rory could beat her.
👍 yes
but i feel that rory was hardworking too atleast till chilton she studied day and night so-
Paris was a bully in the beginning & most of it was due to Tristan…she had no right regardless how “easy” Rory supposedly had it…ridiculous argument…
Rory cheating with Dean is my number 1 character assassination in tv history. It was the end of the show for me.
Esa
I was looking for this comment. It's so obvious for me. And then he cheating on his wife for a girl who cheated on him made me lose all the respect I had for him...
Same
I believe thats when the show went down, and we saw the first glimpse of who rory would be
True, but it was realistic, which I liked.
For me, the best character is Lane. She's ambitious and driven, won her independence. She was compassionate and kind unlike Paris, she never looked down on anyone. She failed in her career as a musician, and had to return to her mother's way, but she wasn't a sore loser. Even in her failure, she was strong and content in her own way. She stayed true to her passion, and still pursued music as a hobby. She is loyal and reliable, a great friend everybody could want. Rory is the heart without the mind, Paris is mind without the heart; Lane Kim is both. If everyone were like Lane, the world would be a much better place.
In the comments people say that Lane has failed the most… people think that having kids is a tragedy and not being rich is a failure. They didn’t learn anything from Luke and Lane.
I do think Lane was the most successful however I think it was v unrealistic that somebody like Rory would of stayed close to her elementary school friend who didn't go to college and had twins when she was 21. @@guybrushthreepwood4174
@@guybrushthreepwood4174 It's been awhile since I watched the Netflix special, but I remember Lane being generally happy with Zack and her kids. I don't know why everyone is saying her life was ruined when she got married and had kids.
This is the reason I love this show, it’s realistic to what actually happen to kids who are always told they are amazing. This is what really happens.
I feel like being called out 🤣
Exactly! I hate that people miss this part and fall for the lie the show builds up. We were all sold the lie of the perfect little girl then scolded her when she acted out... just like they did. It's annoying that people are literally missing the point (or part) of Rory's later storyline. Identity crisis' can make us do shitty things in order to find ourselves outside of a stereotype. She has no idea who she is.
@@selty aw, i like your comment
@@selty yes ofc the producers made Rory like this on purpose! That’s the whole point of the show. “Where you lead, I will follow” Lorelei definitely started as a Brat like Rory but her life turned around when she had to be a single teen mom and now Rory will have to do the same
@@covu4746 yeah same, I was always told I was better than other kids but I realize now that’s not a good way to be raised :/
When I was growing up, I looked up to Rory. The revival made me realize how spoiled and entitled she was. Looking at her storyline in my mid-thirties, it all made sense. And I realized how different the paths and decisions I made compared to hers.
Same. And now when I watch it, i relate more to Lorelei than Rory. But they’re both ridiculous.
You didn't need to watch the revival to see this. She starts to act this way like... Year one of Yale? Maybe. Definitely year 2 of Yale.
I watched and rewatched the series so many times but I agree that not until the revival and then trying to watch it again all I could see was the privilege.
As much as I love Lorelai, the way she is portrayed as the perfect mother really rubs me the wrong way. "Ever since she could crawl, I wanted her to go there..." Talk about pressure! And I hate how condescending she is to the men in her life who have kids (Christopher, Luke). I mean she raised one kid and suddenly she's the parenting expert. Maybe Rory being "perfect" didn't result from her parenting skills as much as from the lack of them (= the need to please others and not cause any more trouble to the already troubled teen mom). Again, I love Lorelai as a character, but she too should acknowledge that maybe her parenting style wasn't as great as she thinks it was.
Both Christopher and Luke went to Lorelai for parenting advice. She didn't just barge in the door and force it on them. Luke wanted Lorelai's help when Jess first arrived, and Christopher went to Lorelai about G.G. when his wife went MIA. April was an entirely different situation, and both her and Luke were warped so OOC in that mess of a storyline that it really doesn't even count.
Lorelei is also an oddity that no one else recognizes. She had the opportunities if she had behaved well as a teen and young adult. She needed to stop whining that she didn’t have those choices. Her parents had the money. Her parents wanted her to go to college. Yes, her parents were demanding. Instead of throwing it all away, maybe Lorelei could have stood up for herself instead of running away. She is her daughter’s role model.
Lorelai did behave like one crazy teenager so often...... her personality is very extra, I think Rory got lost in the dynamic..... which is ok, it's healthy enough to work it out. After having Emily and Richard as parents, i think their mother daughter love is something rare and beautiful
Her grandparents and especially her grandfather put a LOT of pressure on her.
Lorelai was just a fun loving Emily.
Lorelai put her dreams on Rory and wanted a life she had imagined in her head for Rory. Same as Emily.
When Rory dropped out Lorelai acted same as Emily would have.
the fact that rory feels entitled enough to write a book and take credit for her mum's life story says everything... lorelai caving in and letting her daughter also says loads about her inability to say no to her daughter
I don't think it's taking credit for her story. it's just telling her story
she cant say no to rory anymore, whenever lorelai criticises her rory always cut her off and lorelai is too dependent on rory to go through the pain again.
One thing I’d disagree - her story isn’t about white privilege, it’s CLASS privilege
If she went to public school & never learned of her grandparents’ wealth, the whole story changes
Class plays a HUGE role in her downfall, the average white millennial can’t relate
I found it interesting that the vid brings up Girls as an example of another typical “entitled millennials” show bc for those characters, class was also their defining privilege. This is because Lena Dunham herself came from rich parents, her dad specifically being from an old money WASP background, so she gave her characters the same typical rich kid problems she dealt with.
Amy Sherman Palladino (creator of Gilmore Girls) also had rich and well-connected parents in the entertainment industry, and was able to advance so quickly in the industry bc of those connections. She has said specifically in interviews that she meant for Rory to exemplify the failings of the entitled millennial. The irony is that she herself is an extremely privileged and very entitled Gen X-er who has no concept of the struggles working class people go thru. Countless millennials’ careers suffered bc the recession hit right when they were finishing college, not bc they were whiny brats who didn’t want to work - they literally could not find work. But ASP is so divorced from the real struggles of everyday people.
In real life , she’s part Latina
This
@@lmmm1459 Latinos can be white too tho. Her Latino side is from Argentina, which is a very white country, and her Argentinian grandparents are of Danish, German, Scottish and English descent
@@lmmm1459 A person can be Latina and white e.g Giselle Bundchen can be considered Latina because she is from Brazil and there is a substantial German community in Latin America. Lots of Nazis also ran off to Latin America after WW2 ,and married within the German community already there ,do they stop being white just because they are now based in a Latin American country?
There’s nothing wrong with being rich and privileged, when it becomes wrong is the lack of gratitude, ignorance and self pitying entitlement
Uhm no. "Gratitude" and "awareness of privillege" do not change anything about inequality in a society. "Gratitude" is just a way for rich people to feel better about being rich and inevitably having better outcomes in life, it changes nothing for anyone who is not privilleged.
Individual rich people, of course, can change little about inequality in a society as a whole, but there are lots of things that are wrong with the fact that inequality and privillege on such a scale exist.
I mean, there is a lot wrong about being that rich.
What is being privileged anyways? A family who has worked hard for generations to provide for themselves isn't wrong and it isn't inequality. People make different choices depending of many factors so of course not everyone is rich but being rich is not something you should be ashamed of.
@@Stem667 I’m clearly talking about individual rich as I’m talking about individual emotions, and it’s honestly just a fact of life that there will be the upper classes and there will be the lower, as we’ve seen through countries that try to get rid of this hierarchy completely, society just doesn’t work without it, you need the people to work and the people to make the work sadly, and it’s personally up to you to decide where you place in that, so stop self pitying and blaming them, actually work to be in a position of power yourself so that you can make decisions that benefit society. If there was external circumstances such as disability or discrimination ect. Then you get a pass, but even so stop being so salty about how other people aren’t changing anything and change it yourself if you care so much.
@@croft4746 first of all, rich people’s emotions do not matter. They can feel grateful or entitled as they want to, it changes nothing for everyone else.
Secondly, there are huge differences in levels of inequality between countries. Unlike the rich people’s emotions, the level of inequality in a society matters for a lot of things: from life chances of people born into different families to things like housing affordability, life expectancy, crime levels etc (more equal countries do better)
Also, I was not suggesting getting rid of any hierarchy, and no one is self-pitying either, so stop making things up.
Rory should've just married Logan. She should've just embraced her privilege and take advantage of it to better her career. Instead she stayed oblivious of it. Lets be honest, nepotism and connections will always be present in our society and if I had the connections that my grandparents could offer me, I would embrace it.
Marrying Logan wouldn't have guaranteed her success, though. And it's obvious throughout the show that Rory hates handouts even when she struggles to find work for herself throughout the revival. There's also the obvious fact that Mitchum doesn't just hand out something without a drawback, like him offering her the internship solely because his family was weird to her at dinner only to tell her she just doesn't have what it takes, without giving her any advice on improvement, without giving her any actual good pointers as to what she could do other than offering some backhanded remark that she could be a good assistant.
This is what pretty much makes it clear that he wouldn't just offer her a job on the same level as Logan or even a regular employee of his even if she ended up marrying her son, and chances are she would've still hated it. Also, Richard and Emily never have any significant ties to publishing or journalism beyond Mitchum in the series. They offer Lorelai or Rory help with money, but that's about it, and the series conveniently forgets or doesn't bring up Rory's possible trust funds from them when it would've otherwise solved some of her possible issues.
There's the little problem of Logan's family looking down on Rory and Logan not standing up to them.
I know! I certainly don't have the advantage of nepotism, but think about it. Your as big an actress as Meryl Streep, and your daughter comes to you and says "Mom, I wanna be an actress. Help me." You love your kid; what are you going to say "No, that's nepotism." No! Of course not, you love your kid, and you're going to help. That's why nepotism will always be with us.
I honestly love Rory's story arch. Most stories depict characters developing into something great, but not Rory. She's just as human as the rest of us.
Shes a rich human. Not like the rest of us.
@@heartribbonhairband exactly
Yeah a human. But a bad one.
@@hvnniii she has regular, realistic flaws, they wrote her v well
@@khaashbal6407 girl we are talking about cheating here. Its not a flaw. Its a problem.
I grew up with Gilmore girls. I mean, my mom watched it pregnant with me, and on we watched it nearly every year and the older I got, the more I realized I hate Rory. Her entire personality in the first seasons just paled in comparison to Lorelei. Then a year in the life came out, I was not surprised. I’m so glad to see the title of this video.
@Erwin Lii yes. Rory was really cruel when she grew up. I also believe Lorelie owned up to mistakes while Rory didn't
Lorelai was always my favorite character
@sfasdf asfasdfasdf There's being human and then there's being a greedy robot
Gilmore girls was a story that Rory will be her mother no matter how her life and upbringing is different from Lorelei's from beginning.
Which to me sounds like a terribly depressing message to send to people
@@natalyaporter5730 ^^^ Unfortunately it happens a lot
@@natalyaporter5730 I don't think it's a message? I think it's a character study. It's not a message on all of humanity, that all people will end up like their parents (I mean Lorelai is nothing like Emily, and Lane is nothing like Mrs. Kim, and Richard is nothing like Lorelai the First, etc.). It's a character study of Rory, and yes it's a depressing character study but it's specific to her experience.
It did end up being depressing
I personally dint feel depressing because Rory's privileges dint give her the encouragement that Lorelai had to make her life independent. Maybe this change might help her to see it. Also we audience get a conclusion indirectly indicates that Now Rory is new Lorelai and she ll end up happy.
I think this is an example of how damaging it can be to be brought up having everyone around you tell you how smart and amazing you are. They all meant well, but what happens is is that as soon as they realize they aren’t automatically the smartest, strongest, prettiest etc., their whole self-image and self-esteem fall apart. From what I’ve learned, resiliency doesn’t come naturally, it has to be taught. Unfortunately for Rory, no one properly taught her how to bounce back when things got rough.
I don’t it can be taught, possibility of learning from a wide range of experiences perhaps. It’s like a common sense isn’t common type of thing. And 💯 the enabling, and praise is very bad in the long run.
I feel like Rory is a classic case of "gifted kid syndrome." In America, kids with "gifted" IQs are often placed on a pedastal. They go to "special programs" and are told how smart they are constantly. Everything comes with ease and so the kids end up slacking a bit thinking they are still "driven" because they are getting good grades. Usually, kids end up learning their lesson at around 14/15 years old when high school starts, as the classes are much harder and require more studying. In some cases, this ends up with the kid burning out and starting to fail, before they manage to develop healthy studying techniques. However, the select few do not reach this point of burnout in high school, but rather college (unniversity). This is what we see with Rory. The work gets so hard for her that she thinks it is impossible to do, burns out, and drops out of Yale. The thing is, Rory has continued that into her adult life. She never learned the healthy coping mechanisms. Instead, she insists she is smart and always correct like how she was in her childhood. This is the gifted kid syndrome.
Exactly! 100% on point! she definitely didn’t have healthy coping mechanisms, nor healthy boundaries with Lorelei. Like when she returns to Yale and has to attend mandatory therapy; Lorelei was so against it, worried about what she’d say about her, instead of seeing her child needed to continue therapy for her own mental health.
R'amen! I'm an elder millennial & school was very easy for me at first. I was always eager to learn and all, but I never studied and couldn't get why other kids couldn't figure it out. When I got into honors math in 6th grade, I came to a screeching halt. I couldn't understand anything all of a sudden (WTH are letters doing in math problems?!) and I learned how to give up. I kept failing and nobody could explain it to me, and so I went back to regular math where I could coast and get straight As. I just figured I was smart... until I wasn't anymore. And nobody was harping on my grades or helping me out, so I continued to flounder. Got some better teachers in high school that helped bridge the gap, but those middle school years were hell. I didn't really learn good study skills til college. I was book-smart, but real-world stuff just baffled me. Still does, sometimes.
This stuff is part of the reason I try to be a good tutor to kids. When they get down on themselves and say they'll never get it, I make sure to tell them otherwise and help them find ways to push on and keep learning. I learned to give up in math too soon, and that hindered me from a lot of paths I wanted to try because i considered them too hard. I'd probably be a scientist right now if I'd learned to study and pushed through. Instead I'm a lot like Rory (minus the money and boys): once I was out of school, I couldn't hack it. Now, I've got my fingers crossed that I get a job I applied for that will let me pay bills and have a work-life balance (if I live very cheaply from now on and stay healthy) after 24 job applications in 3 months. It's disarming when you don't have realistic help to do better and that you have serious gaps in your personal growing-up education.
This is a very strange comment. I take it you are against giving people opportunity?
How do we reach new heights without encouragement? If we have limited resources, you have to focus on the areas that might pan out.
@@98Zai I am not against giving people opportunity, I'm just saying the culture can be toxic and lead to kids feeling like they don't need to do anything to succeed. I say this as someone who grew up in those programs.
@@ohhmangos I wish someone would have either removed the noisy ADHD kids or me from the classroom. I see how pushing a genius label on a kid can be detrimental, but some kids do not reach their potential in a normal setting. I don't think this TV show is a good metric to prove anything, it's entertainment. A perfect person succeeding isn't fun to watch.
Paris' story actually makes sense to me. People you have the better work ethic are often not the ones rewarded. People who are too intense are often shunned. People who display anxiety are looked down on. Woman who are aggressive and ambitious seen as wrong. And while she did study she was under pressure from herself and parents while having not grown up with proper support and coping mechanisms. In contrast Rory fits a lot of female stereotypes. She's ambitious but presents as sweet and demure. She has a temper but it doesn't present as a threat. When shes stressed shes often calmed and assured by others. And so on and so forth. She is the type that is often rewarded. And as for the extracurriculars we are told she lacks Im guessing she finally realized she could list all the stuff she and her for do for the town which would be unique and quaint compared to Paris' choices which would have been just like others applying cause it was based on ticking boxes of what should look good.
It also completely makes sense that Paris would succeed once success was in her own hands and she was the one shaping her future where Rory would falter when no longer given the structure she so thrived on.
HARD WORK DOESNT MEAN BEST WORK. one could solve a problem faster than another, while the other will take a long time and place much hard work to understand the same problem and come up with a solution.
are you saying that work isn,´t everything, but in order to thrive in a society, you also have to be likable? Or did I get this wrong? :)
I completely agree and what I find funny is that Paris is the « riche privileged » one but she still is the only one that worked to get where she is
@@DieFarbeLila88 yep that’s true
@@andreakoeries7230 thank you :) that is very sad to hear I must say :( While I don’t think that Paris is a person I would like to work with bc. I can’t really stand her intensity, I feel that schools shouldn’t feel that way. She deserves that university-spot! But I do see why ppl didn’t want her to be head of the newspaper. She is rather unpleasant to work with. In an Environment where she would at least pull the great contracts on land (like in a company) this behavior may be excused but not on a school-newspaper.
Rory being “stuck” in her 30’s wasn’t relatable. It was a big plot hole. We know, based on the original series, that she had several trust funds, one from her father and one from her great grandmother. Plus, Rory probably inherited even more money from Richard after he died. It’s highly unlikely that she blew through all that money and was so poor that she just had to move back home and couldn’t afford to buy her own place. Poverty and unemployment didn’t stop Rory from flying back and forth to the UK. The revival was super messy and made Rory insufferable.
I was confused as well...
My theory is that the writers of the show wanted what happened in the revival to happen in season 7 but they left the show for some reason and season 7 got written differently. So now the original writers of the show made the year in a life into their original plan for season 7 which makes me feel a bit angry - they screwed up Rory on purpose it seems.
@@natalyaporter5730 exactly! That would have made sense in season 7, what it means just some years after she graduated. But in the way they did it was like "are you telling me that in 10 years she didn't do anything in her life at all??"
And she keep paying the rent from her NY room btw. But is more or less more or the same, she goes "poor me, I am not having the job of my dream" but she have a safety net. Just like Lorelai, who could run to her parents when needed, even if she didn't like it
@@jessicadavalos5710
Which is another reason why the revival was hard to swallow. Someone in Rory’s position, in her 30’s, would have had a master’s degree, at the bare minimum. Journalism jobs at major news outlets are scarce, and once her career stalled, she would’ve went back to school to make herself more competitive in the job market. Rory would have used her family connections and Yale alumni network to get some sort of suitable gig while living off of her trust funds. “A year in the life” was written as if Rory was 23, not 33.
Tbh I think Rory and Lorelai are both incredibly spoiled and selfish. Everyone around them just keeps saying they're always right and perfect and they think they matter more than other people. But I like that they are both flawed people. Makes them more realistic.
edit: Also, Mitchum was undeservingly villainized for not feeding Rory's fragile ego and introducing her to the real world.
Both are extremely privileged and it's difficult to take their money problems seriously when their takeaway order is literally every item on the menu.
@@rescatooor I think Luke gave them a lot of free food🤣
@@jennterry6977 Sure. But there was also all the Chinese food (that one episode where they say they actually order everything off the menu and make it sound like this is something they do on an irregular basis) and the pizzas. I mean Rory buys the "world's largest pizza" for Lorelai's birthday. What's missing is an episode revealing their friendship with Sookie is purely tactical to avoid ever having to cook a meal.
I am happy someone point out Lorelai is not that perfect either. Putting aside that she ignores her own privileges, she toy with people too much with her own "I am so charismatic, you find this abusing behavior so cute and nice". Luke is have to deal with her egocentric behavior all the time. Like when she keep retaining his truck when Rory go to Yale or returning it late. Or when he give up the house of his dreams because Lorelai don't want to leave her home and then he can't even bring his decorations. The good thing is that the show actually point out part of Lorelai problems. Is Emily who make her understand, telling her that in a relationship is not always about getting your way.
Michtum was righfully villainized. "You don't have it".What kind of feedback is that ? What is " It" ? How can she improve ? Maybe he was right hat something was missing but he was being intebtionally mean about it
As a mother myself I find Lorelai’s codependency on Rory is very toxic! She treats her like a bff instead of a daughter, dishes out all her adult problems to her, caves in just to be in her daughters good books. Lorelai is what a lot of mums and dads are doing atm being “friends” to their kids instead of being “parents”
Exactly, there should be a boundary between a parent & a child.
Well remember she had her daughter at 16 years old and sadly didn’t have a good relationship with her parents and she ran away. She really didn’t know how to be a mom. To me it seems realistic because a lot of teen mothers do that with their children. But that my two cents
Well she was just a kid when she became a mother and she was terrified and traumatized by her own mother. I think it's very reasonable that she wanted to be the mother she never had and always wanted.. That's what i would do to.
I was a huge Lorelei defender on the 1st watch but on the second watch I was like “why are SO into your daughter’s love life?”. Emily and Lorelei are the different faces of the same coin
@@diorchanelhermes Finally someone said it! They are the same person but in different ways.
I'm always confused as to how these traits are just attributed to millennials. Aren't their people/kids who act this entitled in every generation?
Indeed!⭐️
Yes. It’s not a generational thing, it’s a class thing. I don’t know how this video has so many likes.
That's a great summary of Rory. Her good friend Lane was one of my favourite characters in the series. She more accurately portrayed the life of teenage girl. Not so privileged and smooth sailing.
Yes, but some people from older generations are so, soooo entitled, that they try to demear millennials every time they can
Exactly!
I thought even millennials consider Rory a terrible character. Is this how you view us?
dont worry not everyone sees millennials like that, it's just that annoying trend these days to roast them or enforce some kind of "war" between millennials and gen z, it's stupid. i was born in 1999 so technically gen z, but i felt much older than the common gen z but still younger to millennials. im like that middlechild lol. and believe me, BOTH generations have equally terrible ppl.
@@fairsuns I’m 1998 and I truly don’t belong to any of the generations 😂
Rory’s age is what makes her a millennial. Even if we don’t like her character, she’s still in that generation. Plenty of people view millennials like this. Sucks when you get generalized and lumped into one personality type based on the year you were born vs your individuality.
Pretty much every Gilmore Girls fan I know (mostly millennials) is in agreement that Rory is the worst.
Rory is a white privileged girl. Not fair to throw all millennials under the bus because of them.
why did rory get more flack for sleeping with a married man than the married man did for cheating on his own wife?? it was immature, but she was told they were divorcing. rory was being a self-centered baby, but it is not her fault for the demise of dean's marriage.
She didn't. There was a scene in which lindsay yelled at dean, and the rest of the consequences for him occurred offscreen because it wasn't relevant to rory's storyline
@@TheMarkmcr oh ok, i'll have to rewatch lol
@@TheMarkmcr i just remembered lindsay's mom yelling at rory
@@chanajacobs1850 that did happen, but it doesn't mean that dean's actions were ignored
Nah dean was treated so badly every time something happened with rory. The first time they broke up and the second and after the affair. He got what he deserved but rory never did
Rory was always entitled, privileged and had a superiority complex, I liked that the revival was realistic about how she would've actually end up, and that it's not necessarily a millenial thing, because Paris worked her ass off and ended up being extremely successful (I love Paris)
Exactly! The saddest part of the series was when Paris didn’t get into Harvard. It was so sad
I don’t understand why Paris is so loved, people like her in real life are impossible to stand. I had a girl like that in my highschool class, she constantly treated me like I was inferior because my grades are lower and everytime I did better then her you could feel the jealousy from her behaviour. She was hated by the entire class and she didn’t have any friends until she eventually change her attitude.
Paris is successful but still unhappy, Lane is “unsuccessful” but happy, Rory is unsuccessful and unhappy but she’s still trying to find herself, life isn’t over at 32.
@@guybrushthreepwood4174 you are so right! I think the revival made a great point there, that for this generation, success is no longer the goal, happiness is! And happiness is always tied to the love you have around you. And if you don't have "life figured out" (if that's even possible), by 32, that's ok
@@sarag.945nah bruh if I was in ur class I wouldn’t be able to stand u either 😀
As teenagers we all wanted to be like rory. In our 30s, we are happy we are nothing like her.
@sfasdf asfasdfasdf she didn't grow as a character. She might be 30 now be she has not changed one bit. That's not being human and imperfect, it's refusing to take responsibility and maturing.
@@TheEmeraldLady y’all are getting way too worked up over a character that is non existent in real life. It’s not that deep lmao
@sfasdf asfasdfasdf Projecting much? It’s a show...
The problem with both Lorelei and Rory: they didn't really know what they wanted. They knew what they didn't want to.
The truth is that Rory's life was very realistic, a "spoiled" child, who grew up without criticism and had everything handed over to her.
She collapsed in the real world. And another thing, she never took much consideration for other people's feelings, she cheated on two boyfriends throughout the series, and she was used to cheating too, without showing any regret. She got what she deserved.
It would've been so awesome to see Lindsay in the revival, totally kicking ass and doing great in life, just to rub it in Rory's face.
@@okmewhen True, but I would've wanted that moment for Lindsay, so the last time we see her isn't devastated and humiliated, but thriving and happy. And if what happened to Lindsay happened to me, I'd kind of want to run into the person who'd destroyed my marriage (intentionally or not) when I'm living my best life, which would be especially satisfying if that person was floundering. It may be petty, but there you have it. I'd be all, "Oh hey, Rory! Great to see you! What's that? You're unemployed, homeless, and seeing your engaged ex-boyfriend? Aw, what a shame. Welp, gotta get back to my successful jet setting career now. My limo and heart surgeon husband are waiting for me out front. Here's a $20. Buy yourself something nice." lol
@@cv8499 what did the missing comment say?
@@TheMarkmcr The person said that Rory wouldn't have cared because it's not like she hated Lindsay or anything. She probably would've been happy for her. She just didn't give a f**k about her or her marriage.
@@cv8499 i think that's part of what paris's role was meant for. Rory has a habit of having a temper tantrum whenever she's criticized about anything, so if someone less beneficial like lindsay got personal with rory, I highly doubt that any such meeting would have gone well for her at all.
One of Rorys major problems was her grandparents interference.
Whenever Lorelai put her foot down, her granparents would undermine Lorelai and agree with Rory, and would swoop in and fix things so she never learned to fix things herself. Until the revival as Emily was too consumed with grief.
That has everything to do with lorelai’s unfinished business with her parents. They used Rory as a bargaining chip to score points against one another and to get what they wanted in their relationships with each other.
That`s why I like Paris much more. She followed her dreams and never gave up, while Rory degraded to the ridiculous love triangles instead of being more focused on her career.
And yet I used to think that Paris was just this Rich snob but throughout some clips that I've seen on the show she isn't that bad at all
But Paris is still unhappy, anxious and in an unsuccessful marriage. It’a not all about money.
Honestly Paris and Jess were the best part of this show
Just which Jess are we talking about? Season 2 Jess? Or season 6 Jess? Because those are two very different persons. Season 2 Jess was a jerk and an ass, and rude to everyone who was not Rory. Season 6 Jess however was a great charecter and had evolved a huge deal, and became someone we really like
@@LouiseAndersen1991 I think he always was a great character, not a great “person”. He was entertaining, he had a backstory, and I loved to see his scenes with Luke
Season 6 jess because he has truly changed and evolved and I truly love that scene where he tells rory that she's wasting her life away by dropping out of college jess is way to good for rory to me at this point even though I would love for them to be together 🤔😀🤠😠😡🤬
And Kirk.
@@LouiseAndersen1991 Jess improved. He had a difficut time growing up. Yes, he was kind of a jerk, but made a constant effort to improve and it paid off.
I hate when people suggest applying for 200 jobs before even receiving an interview is something anyone should just accept, or not be discouraged by. This is NOT something which prior generations had to deal with, and it breeds resentment and actively encourages self delusion in applicants, because otherwise why would they keep going? People forget that 'millennials' are a product of their circumstances, and those circumstances are usually pretty awful.
Just because you easily found a job in the 1980s doesn’t mean it can be done with the same ease in the 2010s, Grandpa.
The modern world changes massively over a short period of time now, and if millennials are finding it hard, I can only imagine how hard it will be for my generation coming out of high school and university.
In the service industry, we are treated like slaves. It’s harder to find employment in the field you specialise in. In a country with universal healthcare, hospitals are becoming more expensive. We have to fight climate change without knowing how. Droughts and floods and bushfires ravage my country. My government is becoming increasingly more corrupt, the freedom of speech and press was tested just recently. Our economy is owned by China, we are running out of water, and the mining industry is practically bust.
It’s just not that simple anymore.
I completely agree. Millennials are not isolated problems or simply “bad apples.” Their sense of entitlement, fear of failure, and resistance to truly working hard, arose out of their environment and relationships during childhood. If you were always seen as a star child by authority figures and peers, why wouldn’t you believe it? Also, these traits are not specifically Millennial. They are found in anyone who grew up with high expectations, lots of opportunities, and even more undue pats on the back.
@@clinton8421 For me even in the eighties and nineties finding just a minimum wage job was not easy. It became easier in the 2000's when I moved to a big city. Right now though things are getting rough again.
I think it depends on the career and availability of opportunities it can bring at the moment or in the future, location too can be a factor, I'm a millennial in health care, after my licensure exam I was jobless for 3 months because I can't find job vacancies in my home town, then I moved and found one immediately then went back home again and found 1 that I worked at for more than 2 years, and I have my 3rd one now after only a month of quitting my old one, covid made it easier for my career path currently but it wasn't this easy before
Mgen Burn I never got that millennials “don’t work hard” when we are the most educated, underpaid generation, with tuition and living costs drastically increasing,
Fuck, my master’s degree in Education may get me a job, but I can’t afford to move out of my parents house.
Rory getting chosen for more opportunities, honours, etc than Paris just shows how likeability trumps ability. Paris was always more driven and capable than Rory and worked a lot harder than her, but she wasn't sweet and quiet and polite like Rory, so they didn't want her to be valedictorian, etc.
Likability has some merits too though. Could you honestly imagine working in a group with Paris? That would be hellish. There’s a reason nobody likes her, and quite frankly being able to work with people/have some people skills is extremely important in the real world. I’d rather work with Rory than Paris any day :/
@@Becky0494 AGREED! I'm a bit disturbed at how youtube comments seem to mostly love Paris just cause she works hard. I've met people who used their work ethic and intelligence as an excuse to be mean and a bully. I don't care how driven you are, if you drive others to the ground you clearly have growing to do. That said Rory isn't so great either, at least Paris is upfront about being a B.
THIS. Rory had better social skills, but imo Paris had far more integrity because she wasn't afraid to be hated to do what she thought was necessary. She didn't hide her serious flaws or try to have it both ways. Some of her behavior was too severe or mean and definitely should have been reigned in, but I think she's better than Rory because she wasn't a hypocrite.
It's because Paris was portrayed as completely insufferable while Rory was portrayed as a child from a fairy tale. Both portrayals *way* overamplified.
Also Rory is better looking
I’m rewatching Gilmore girls for the second time as a college student and literally Rory is held on a pedestal when she is Really just a basic smart girl not a genius or incredibly special. She was really hyped up.
I think another issue is the fact that Amy Sherman-Palladio knew she wanted this journey for Rory. We were supposed to see this in season 7 when she was 22 and not in her 30s. Her behavior reminds me of a fresh out of college person that hasn’t set foot in reality yet. The fact that we saw this behavior almost 10 years after her college career is what made it frustrating. She should have learned a lot in her 20s and been in a more solid place by her 30s. This isn’t to say that we have things figured out in our 30s...But she should have been more mature and less entitled at the very least. All of this is just my opinion though. Either way I love Gilmore Girls and watch it over and over.
Couldn't agree more - same could be said for Lorelai's arc, it didn't make sense that Luke and her were having those problems and conversations about babies for the first time ten years into their relationship, where it would have made sense a year or two into it. That's what I found deplorable about the revival, that the story was not adapted to the fact that it was set a decade later. The ideas that would have worked as Season 7 made the people so unlikable and immature as older versions of themselves.
Ok but how did you know I'm watching this show for the 100 time again right now?
I just finished randomly watching the show and the limited series like... Earlier this week... The take is stalking us.
Me and my daughter loved it. After the cheating episode. And the way it was handled. As if NOTHING happened. We could not stomach it anymore.
@@NTav540 But that isn't the case. The cheating ruined the marriage of Dean, for example. Things happened.
@@NTav540 the first time that I watched Gilmore Girls, I could watch past that.
@@Antonia-hp5gg Exactly. It was cruel. What I mean is that, in a small community like the one in the show, there was no backlash, no gossip, no nothing, no one got mad. And Lorelai went in a double date with them! I told my daughter, they scripted the whole thing as if Rory was not a person in that town, but their favorite CHARACTER. So disgusting.
I think Rory was great at doing what she is told to do in school. She put in a great effort in the tasks given and received good grades and praise in return. However, she never learned to make her own decisions and take responsibility for them. And that's where she started to struggle immensely. I think we do need to acknowledge that she worked her ass off in school, but in life things just aren't as plannable. It's not always that effort leads to success. And when she realized that, she lost her whole understanding of life - privileged money-wise or not.
Yup. As she says herself, "I've always done everything that was asked of me". And nothing more. Turns out Mitchum Huntsberger was right.
Great point!!! Being an academic success looks very different than the success required in the job market / real world.
@@verydenise I mean, there are plenty of academy way to her but she wanted to be journalist, when I will said Paris or lorelai actually fit better that.
that's what i love about gilmore girls, the characters are flawed and discussions about their morale arise constantly. the fact that they all move in grey areas is what makes this show good. Every time i rewatch the show i get something different out of it, it is subtle, the relationships between emily and lorelai are my favourite because they are so complex.
Exactly, there wouldn't be so many comments if the characters were not flawed that's what makes it interesting.
At the start of the series, I loved Rory. She was so much like me. Bookish, timid and ambitious. Finally, there was a character on television who was interested in Ivy League Colleges and travelling the world. As the series progressed, it became harder and harder for me to relate to Rory and by the time that she had slept with Dean despite the fact that he was married, I hated her and could not believe that the self absorbed, spoiled and annoying woman she was becoming was the same kind, intelligent and hardworking girl that she was before. They ruined her further in the sequel. Rory become a spoiled little brat who was so accustomed to getting everything that she wanted through her grandparents’ money and influence that she became one of the most annoying character that I have ever seen. Rory cheated on Dean with Jess, slept with Dean while he was married to Lindsay, regularly fought with her mother who always had her best interests at heart, left her home, moved in with her grandparents and treated them poorly, had terrible taste in men, stole a yacht and expected everything in life to be handed to her on a silver platter.
I find it interesting how worked up people get over these fictional characters, but as many have pointed out, there is a great degree of realism in the downward spiral. Not everyone in real life has this perfectly moral and successful path upward.
Gilmore Girls, to me, is a good example of the difference between watching a show to be mostly entertained and analyzing it while watching. Here it makes a huge difference. The majority just laughing about the jokes, enjoying the drama, the characters and the storylines, plus putting Lorelai and Rory on a pedestal, will enjoy Gilmore Girls a lot (as I used to do). Those thinking about their behaviour and what kind of people Lorelai and Rory really are, will probably have a hard time watching more than one random episode.
I wanna add that we as viewers often decide to watch something mostly for entertaining reasons. But the show is written much more complex with much more thoughts into every aspect. And even though it seems that young Rory is leading the best life ever, she didn't grow up in a stable environment without a father figure, with a childish mom, with many people around her making her feel super special like she would automatically reach every goal she'd ever set. Young Rory of course didn't realize how fragile her life was at that time. Because even though a Rory has a lot of potential, she still has to prove herself in the real world. And that isn't Stars Hollow. It's really really tough, dangerous and demands of you to take a lot of risks and hard work. Something she wasn't really prepared for.
the way you worded this makes me think that no matter how annoying Rory was growing up, a lot of the blame is on her environment and the people that raised her and were supposed to teach/prepare her for the real world. seems that both her mom and her grandparents failed Rory. you can get annoyed and hate Rory all you want, but she's only doing what she's told or knows to do (didn't watch the show btw. just saying)
@@arnaeri9290 Yes, my intention was definitely to point out this sometimes forgotten fact. It's easy to blame Rory (and even Lorelai) for behaving badly and having troubles with life. With Rory it is of course easier since we watch her life unfold and do not have to do a lot of gueswork like with Lorelai's past.
As the video very well explains, Rory was a child prodigee destined to achieve great things. But based on what? Being smart? Being Lorelai's daughter, being the grandchild of Richard and Emily? Thin ice. Rory did everything she was told and believed that she was a princess. Her mom spread the word and the residents of Stars Hollow believed that Rory was indeed very special. Again I say: Rory hadn't been prepared for life (at all). She was under the impression that things would run smoothly when in college and that she would reach all of her goals.
It makes me sad how tragic Rory's life became when we all thought that life was lying at her feet and she would become someone great. As mentioned, now with her mother's age when she was born, she has achieved less (or nothing) than her mother, who made it on her own. Okay, life is unpredictable and anything is possible, but still, it's very disappointing having to start all over again with 30 and kind of having to learn the things Rory didn't learn growing up as a now adult.
I always hated how the whole town put Rory and Lorelai on a pedestal. After season 2/3 we never really see them do much for the town and just seem to be annoyed by the townies’ antics so it makes no sense why they love them so much. Also can you imagine being any other child in stars hollow and seeing the whole town act like Rory is the greatest person to ever exist?
the problem everyone assumed Rory could never do anything wrong. Like after the car crash, poor Rory, after the yatch event, it was Rory's idea, but every time Lorelai told the story it was Logan to blame. Or the story that Logan told that Rory followed her teacher to his home, so she could re apply the paper, and she got an A. She never learns that action has consequences.
Lorelai really did set rory up for failure. she spent rory's whole life teaching her that she was special, and because she was special that things would happen. People would see her specialness and open doors for her. While everyone adored the dynamic of their relationship, i really thought that lorelai was doing her a huge disservice. rory needed a stable parent who would provide discipline and guidance. She needed someone to teach her that working hard is instrumental in success. That natural talent and intellect only gets one so far. She didn't need a 30 year old adolescent trying to be her friend. Granted after the harsh realization a lot of people go through, rory owed it to herself to adapt, buckle down and put in the work.
The millenials, like all generations, are judged by the most PRIVILEGED of them. Many millenials are not constantly told we're wonderful. Many of us have had to fight just to have a fraction of what our predecessors had & complained about having, and that'll only get worse for future generations.
But Rory...yeah, she's kind of disappointing.
I would argue that Rory already was a mother.
At the series, where they say she's still 15, she was doing a lot of the household chores. They said (as a joke maybe?) that Lorelai doesn't clean. Lorelai though was always unable to find things at home and Rory knew where everything was, meaning she was the one that put things away/tidied.
Lorelai was surprised at the clean clothes Rory had for her first day at Chilton and Rory said she did that sometimes, wash her own clothes 'whenever there isn't anything clean'....implying that Lorelai had a habit of doing that, even if just once in awhile.
Applying to schools like Chilton and Yale, everyone knows there are huge fees. Rory was even worried about them but her mom just said everything would be fine. She still never looks up the cost of tuition until she gets the letter(s) in the mail. She had just assumed she could get a big bank loan (and that she'd be abel to pay it off).
Lorelai sometimes talked to her about her dates - which is wildly inappropriate - but Rory was the one giving advice.
There are too many examples to name....
People who grow up in households where they had to be the parent (to themselves or young siblings) feel tightly wound and need an outlet. Often it's when they get away from home the first time, then they sort of overcompensate and sometimes go nuts. It's like all those kids in high school you knew who were never allowed to even try a drink of alcohol then when they're in college they go batshit and drink all the time...it's overcompensating for years of being tightly wound.
Rory was still not relatable in Year in the Life because for starters she had inherited a fortune but the writers just forgot about that detail. Viewers didn't since they were constantly seeing the Gilmore mansion, we know Rory wasn't 'broke' like she claimed.
And when Rory announced she was pregnant I just thought,...So? Because she was 32, with a college degree, family & friends around her, she had money... oh and yeah, she basically raised her own mother... she already went through motherhood
I heard this. I still have both parents, but had to be the 3rd ones. With my mother brokes down in front of me, and demanded me to parent my younger sibling and be the middle man between my father and her, and my father who always demanded me to be my mother helper while he always absent. Those tied me down when my siblings flies the coop and think they dont have responsibility for my elderly parents because "sister is there". I cannot muster romance because every men think i am too cold, too calculating and " being with you is like with being with tired middle age mom with adult children"😂
But i guess that is my life, and still learning to shed my chains and spread my wings....but still dreaded to be a parent because my younger sister turned on me just because i dont approve of her husband, that turned out abused her.😢 i know being a failure felt like. I know since i am 6 y.o because my home was not clean enough for my mother.
No offense to Logan but when rory started dating him was the beginning of her downward spiral. While he improved and became better she seemed to get more into her privilege like the roles reversed and yet she still viewed herself as superior to him. I was getting ready to start a rant but I stopped myself with just this one point lol
Does that mean you had "writers block"?...
I totally agree. Only I don’t think it’s Logan’s fault. She was always on a high horse. But dating someone who was also on a high horse made her realize how privileged she was and she didn’t like it. Meanwhile he changed and grew. She just got further in denial.
@@DianaHernandez-jf5zo I don't blame him either. I think he just gave her the opportunity to be in that environment without someone holding her accountable to her actions. To me he's like the older version of Tristan from high school. She spurned him and had stars hollow, her mom, etc to keep her accountable to principles (but she still kissed him!) With Logan she ate slept and breathed the rich girl environment and wasn't forced to leave at the end of the day to small town life.
No. Rory had already cheated on Dean with Jess, she had already slept with a married Dean, and had already began to be an entitled brat. Logan has nothing to do with this.
I see u but I think her spiral started when she cheated with dean
The problem with the whole “100-200 applications to find a job” fact being targeted against the millennial’s work ethic is that it’s important to consider the drastically reduced required efforts that our parents personally experienced going into the work force and they are the ones in our ear and over our shoulder asking why we haven’t found a suitable enough job for them to brag to their friends about and start paying for their retirement already expecting that it shouldn’t be this hard and we must not be trying
This. I really cant hear this "Oh Millienials just dont work hard anymore" stuff anymore. Bitch please, we´ve been working harder than most generations before just to get a minimum wage job with all those unpaid internships and extra languages courses and social commitments we had to do to get that. Oh dont foget those fix term employment contracts, where you have to apply every few years all over again and again, keeping your portfolio with that social commitment and all thata extra qualifictations no ones ever gonna need on the job, but with without them you still wont be hired up to date...
Gen Xer here. I sent out hundreds of applications in 1991 despite graduating from college with honors. I may not be your parents age, but I can definitely say there were not "drastically reduced efforts" required to get a job 30 years ago. None of this is new for Millennials.
Or the classic "I worked my way through college (in the 70's), why can't you?" 🙄
I'm a Gen X-er. The economy wasn't great in 1991 when I graduated from college, but jobs were available and rent was somewhat reasonable. My 4 years at NYU cost $80,000. Now a single year costs much more. Even state schools, which were started as the affordable alternative to private universities, are now ridiculously expensive.
Exactly!
A Year in the life feels like it was shoehorning what would have been Rory's life right after college into her thirties, it is very clear that Amy Sherman Palladino didn't get to finish her story like she wanted to so she just did it anyway even though it didn't make sense for rory that late in life.
Congrats! you are the only comment that makes sense in this thread... poiningt out that Rory is a fictional character by Amy Sherman Palladino... and now that you bring it up... Could it be possible that WB just cancelled the series because they were anticipating Sherman s plan for the character?...
That was the problem of the revival ASP was petty, she didn't watch the final season, and she just did the season she wanted 10 years later. Like this struggle and pregnancy was supposed to be after Rory graduates college. Luke and Lorelai discussing getting kids just now.
That makes so much sense! I really didn’t get the whole Luke and Lorelei thinking about kids thing in the revival. Like I know people have kids older nowadays, but they’d both be starting completely over, kid not graduating until they’re nearly 60. And Rory getting accidentally pregnant like she doesn’t know how birth control works by the time she’s well into her 30’s...? I know birth control fails sometimes, but that whole revival made no sense for where any of the characters would realistically be at their ages. I knew ASP didn’t do the last season of GG, and It makes complete sense now that she wrote the “final season” she always wanted for Lorelei and Rory, instead of continuing the story that the final season writers wrote.
@@rauldempaire5330 Sherman Palladino was out of GG before the final season, and if you notice the revival doesn't take that season into account.
Eh I think it does make sense actually. I think after Rory went back to Yale she was re-motivated and willing to work hard, and would have coasted on that for a few years. Then after a little while she would have started to falter again because she hasn't actually changed as a person and is still pretty entitled. The revival takes place only 9 years after the end of Season 7, and Rory has been having struggles for a few years now, so the timeline makes sense to me. Plus, it's even more depressing now that she's an adult.
It's so insightful to have watched GG with my own mother when I was a teenager versus watching it now as an adult closer to Loralai's age. I always thought it was strange that Rory was always reading, but never writing. She never showed any real interest in journalism aside from working on the paper in school.
I love how this heaps a ton of blame on Rory, while completely overlooking Lorelai's parenting/role-model fails. Lorelai in her own way is deeply selfish (Shipping Rory of to Europe with her grandma rather than dealing with her) and has terrible relationships (Max Medina, Christopher, and her bailing on Luke multiple times) If Rory failed, Lorelai is somewhat to blame. To distill it to "Millennials bad, lol" is lazy at best.
Agreed. But I guess it's cool to just hate on Rory without trying to understand why she is the way is now 🤷♀️
@@petalchild Well the video and a lot of stuff wants to make her entirely responsible for herself, but the show's entire narrative shows how Lorelai, her grandparents, Chilton, and all 3 of her boyfriends had a pretty heavy hand in some of her issues. Lorelai, Emily, and Richard can all be incredibly selfish and unaware. Dean didn't challenge her, Jess challenged her too much (and was also a kid being a total jerk until matured by the time she goes to Yale) and Logan enabled all her worst behavior. Rory didn't fail. They all did
@@rgermanix yeah but she should still take some accountability for her own actions, your environment and the people surrounding you are really important especially in the formative years when becoming who you are, but when it gets to a certain point at the end of the day she still makes her own decisions and choices that have consequences - parents are just trying their best (not excusing those who are just terrible people) they literally have no idea what they’re doing most of the time (especially when you only have one child - no practice) so it’s inevitable that everyone has some bad habits and toxic traits that it’s then up to them once they’ve grown up to become aware of and change to become a better person
@@kiera_klark8171 im not saying has no responsibility. Im just saying she doesn't have all the responsibility. Adult Rory still has people like Lorelai, Emily, and Logan making her life too comfortable to really push herself. No one gets to failure, success, or even mediocrity alone. Also Rory had to contend with the same things all Millennials did (to a degree one imagines) like a massive recession, shrinking job market, etc.
Yes. You are right.
Rory lives in the shadow of loreli's mistakes, she even named rory after her. It is clear that loreli gave up her dreams to raise rory and now loreli needs rory to be successful as evidence that she did the right thing by running away at 16. I love loreli, but she was selfish with rory.
Underrated comment. The story always pushed the idea that Lorelei as taking Rory away from a toxic situation, and money isn't everything, but she just put her in a different situation that rendered not so favorable results, and she has to depend on her parents and their money anyway. But hey, we all make mistakes, it's what keeps the show interesting I guess.
Agree to some extent - but not about giving up on her dreams. If anything, despite a lifetime of pressure from her family, I never really bought that Lorelai had true goals (which is fine, she was 16), just general ideas for the future that were put on her by her own parents. I still agree that she used her daughter in order to live vicariously through her success, but at the same time, it wasn't like Lorelai would even have been able to achieve half of what Rory did - yet the narrative of selfless sacrificing mother was used more to gain audience sympathy than it being an actual reality. Plus, she was pretty successful regardless of being a teen mother while never imo displaying any major qualities that earned her that success.
Lorelai's flaw is she doesn't admit it to herself or to other people when she needs help and Rory follows her footsteps hence why in the revival 32 year old Rory is like 16 year old Lorelai. They're lost and trying to find themselves. Also, at first, I always thought Emily was too selfish but now that I'm older, I realize she may be selfish at times but she always (sometimes) meant well. She was just protective of her family ^^
I watched the show when I was 21 for the first time and while I like the aesthetics & study inspiration, I think the whole premise should be taken with a grain a salt and would make a good essay prompt lol.
To me it was clear from the start that Lorelai raised Rory to be such an over achiever to prove her parents that she could make it on her own terms. She did one hell of a job, let's be honest, but the trope of "friend first, mom second" affected Rory upbringing. My mom, who I see as one of my bestest friends who I can talk to about everything, told me that the mom being the friend more than the parent is ultimately a diservice to the child because then she won't be able to see when the child makes mistakes and/or help fix them. The moment Lorelai started doing that Rory didn't like being held accountable all of a sudden and ran to her grandparents, two entitled people, true, but also two people who would do anything to have their granddaughter around, understandably.
I know maybe we shouldn't look too deep into it, but it's still a good learning example.
Have you guys ever considered things from Rory's perspective? From a very young age she was constantly praised for being smart and put together... So she started putting that pressure on herself to be constantly perfect and "have everything her mother didn't"... I believe that would take a toll on anyone... So it's just about time that she at one point exploded...
Also, she was from a blue blooded pedigree family on both parents' sides, but she was also an illegitimate child. That's more added pressure on her that no matter what she did, she may never be good enough for that society's standards.
agreed.
I did because I was kinda there - smart, a bookworm, mature for her age, never had to crack open a texbook because she got everything she needed from classes, and the eventual realisation that it's just not enough and the subsequent first big lifechanging failure. Granted, I am not from a rich family, have both parents and money was something I was not used to (also didn't steal a yacht but I did drop out of (tuition free) university), but it checks out pretty well. It doesn't excuse the way *Rory and I acted when we cracked but it puts it into perspective.
Rory is her own person but also a product of her upbringing to a certain degree. If you're being told by people of authority that you're good and will be successful, you have no reason not to believe it; of course you feel wronged when it doesn't work out because everyone told you it would. Lorelei and her grandparents uninitentionally did her dirty.
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I'm all good with that up to a point. Drop out of school, fine. Play your grandparents and mom off eachother because they can't manage their relationship, understandable. But I draw the line at boffing married dudes, stealing yachts, demanding people leave your "study tree"...My right to self destruct is my right. My rights end where your boundaries begin. Hurting other people is not ok.
@@aprilmichel7816 "It didn't excuse the way I and Rory acted" How about "It didn't excuse the way RORY and I acted" Yeah you NEVER had to crack open a textbook huh smdh.
I felt this, I was a G&T kid and was even called a “golden child” by one of my teachers, but then graduated college and was like, “Welp.... I don’t own a company yet, so I failed.” I didn’t even consider that doing normal life things was totally fine. I struggled with myself a lot until I learned to be happy with my life even if it’s not some wild main-character story. I rent a little place with several other single women and some cats, I am at a low position in my company but I make enough money to pay my bills, and I have a little garden. And I’m pretty happy with that :)
I'm nearly 40 now, waiting for a callback on a 2nd job that could let me live semi-comfortably if I go cheap, but I was supposed to be a teacher. That's what I was gonna be my whole life, but it just didn't work out. I realized partway through that I couldn't handle all the thousand little things day after day for decades. It just wasn't me. Didn't help that I'd focused so much on learning and doing the proper classes and such that I missed out how networking became the way you got jobs more than what showed on your transcripts. I had to graduate twice to figure that out, and felt like no matter where I went, I was two steps behind. I gave up & was on the verge of a nervous breakdown when I got to the point where I was working every hour available at three jobs and truly lived just to work
Now, I'm hoping to work to live, & get this 2nd job so I have a base wage to plan around and start saving again, and it'll give me time to work on my garden, exercise, take online courses, cook healthy food, be with my pets, and perhaps volunteer again when I have time and enough money saved up. Finding a tangible happy place, even this late in the timeline, is worth it more than clinging to old plans that didn't pan out and bemoaning their loss.
I love it how realistic they portrayed her with all her flaws and failings and not make her a typical "hero" who can't do anything wrong and all the boys can't resist. It is very rare in American TV shows. Remember the scene where she asks a boy out, certain that he will say yes, and the guy was like "No thanks".
I agree with you but not on the boy part. It’s so unrealistic , idk if You’ve seen the New series but even after 20 years Jess and Dean are still obsessed with her and she never properly got rejected honestly like this one time doesn’t really count to me. She’s never had feelings that weren’t reciprocated
I wanted to be Rory so much when I was younger but then watching a year in the life has now made me so glad that I'm not, I think the worst thing about her was her inability to take criticism and accept when she had failed at something. Everyone fails but what actually counts is recognising what went wrong and doing it again and again until you succeed
so well-put!
Rory was obviously spoiled, but the show was amazing. I don't think it's bad writing to create a whole show like that.
The part about being spoiled is only *half* true; for all the idyllic things about Rory's formative years, she still had to play parent when Lorelei should've been doing that. Rory's adulthood antics are partly a matter of her being the child she never could be during actual childhood!!
she doesn't represent millennials, she represents entitlement.
This...this perfectly summarizes my whole reaction to anti-millenial hostility. They're judging a generation that's been hugely screwed over by the ones that came before, and they're using the most priveleged minority among that generation to justify their judgment.
@@lydiafayre9806 perfectly said! Rory was fun to watch when I was a kid/teen but now that I'm an adult I really dislike her character both for her lack of "morals" and for her blatant entitlement. The wrost part is that she doesn't even realise how lucky and blessed she is. She was born into the 1% and still dares to complain, meanwhile the rest of us are working twice or three times harder and are barely getting by.
I get what the writers were going with her,. her character arc was atrocious though, I expected so much more from her.
I think that the problem with her is the fact that maybe she was praised too much, she lived in a bubble and has no idea what real life looks like. She demonstrated zero self awareness or resilience. Plus the fact that she's pregnant, jobless and a single parent after all the things she was handed drives me nuts. Jesse, on the other hand, evolved magnificently imo :)
it's true, this whole stereotype can occur regardless of which generation the person belongs
Yeah, saying she was meant to represent millennials kinda gives the writers credit they do not deserve when it comes to her arc, largely because the tropes weren't even established yet when the main show was written. It is also, you know, notable that Rory is framed "not like other millennials" when she returns to Star's Hollow - and I'm pretty sure none of those millennials would have shown up to a job interview completely unprepared and gotten offended at the notion of having to have pitches or ideas prepared. I don't think the Palladinos had too firm of a grasp on the story they were telling with Rory and then were given free reign to indulge their mean spirited side in the revival.
She represents those without self awareness. Lack of self awareness is contagious and if you’re lucky enough to have someone to call you out in your bs, hold on to them. Even tho what they say about you hurts. It’s hard to tell the difference between a hater and a honest critic.
Rory getting into the big three does make sense for her character though. She wasn't just a kid with good grades, she was also on the Franklin, she was vice president of the student body, she had an alumni vouching for her and the headmaster of Chilton, and she most likely did very well on her essay and her interview. The only reason Paris didn't get into Harvard was because she bombed the interview badly. Otherwise, she would have gotten in. Rory also had her grandparents influence for Yale.
I think the problem is less that Rory got praised too much, but that no one ever taught her how to handle failure when it happens. I don't like this idea that praising your kids is the problem, it implies people only become good people if you're an asshole to them, and if no one is an asshole to you you'll grow up entitled. It sounds like encouraging bad abusive parenting. No, it's perfectionism, insisting failure is never an option, that screws kids up. Rory never learned how to solve her own problems, not because people helped her too much, but because no one ever told her it's okay to fail. They never taught her HOW to fail. They put TONS of pressure on her and insisted it was ridiculous to think she might fail. When she left Yale her mother abandoned her. She was smothered in their expectations. Which is something I imagine many millennials can relate to.
Yes!! There's nothing wrong with being surrounded by people who support you and hope the best for you, it's about how to manage your life when things don't go your way.
True
Underrated comment!!
I was addicted to these series back in my late teens, I just loved everything about Rory. Though we did not have the same background, I totally recognized myself in her. Doing really good at school does not make you a confident person and all those expectations well-meaning people put on you don't help getting there. I loved how she was trying to get somewhere despite being shy, reserved and socially awkward. And yes, she did make mistakes and used shortcuts when they were available. Who wouldn't when you already struggle as is. It's really incredible how much judgement that character gets here in this video. Apparently, a woman needs to be no less than perfect in her looks, behavior, speech and what not according to this. Where is the deeper understanding of individual struggles regardless of our background, where is the compassion? Luckily, it's just fictional character but I do recognize in this judgmental monologue how society views women, how it measures them, how it defines what is succes, how it dictates what is humble. We still have a long way to go...
She thought that she was too good and that's why she didn't accept the job self-entitlement can be very dangerous
I don't think it's fair to call her the OG Annoying Millennial. Instead she is a perfect example of privilege and what that can do to a person. Also the downfall of the gifted child. Part of her arc was relatable to me as someone who everyone saw as brilliant while growing up but who failed to meet the future I had envisioned for myself. My reasons for not meeting them were due to illness though so not entirely the same.
Edit: Just wanna say that I'm healthier now and well on my way to accomplishing my goals so it's never too late ❤
I hear you I can also relate to the downfall of the gifted child. Didn’t grow up in privilege, I was a first-generation college student and did really well in school but also fell ill after graduating and unfortunately having difficulty working full time while I’m focused on improving my health. Things are gradually getting better and hoping to be able to work full time by fall of this year. I’m glad to hear your health is also getting better. This was a big wake up call for me that no matter what health is most important because without it you can’t really achieve the goals and dreams you hope for.
I relate so profoundly to you both. I was a gifted child born with a severe, often debilitating blood disorder. I achieved so little when the expectations that I would be great and accomplished were extraordinarily high. I too am a first generation American and student. I am not dead yet, however. While my life has certainly taken a circuitous, often tragic path, I recognize that I can still make an impact in this life. Best wishes to your health!
Illness here too. I wonder if it was the pressure.
Agreed, I don't see anything particularlly millennial-ly about Rori. We don't really have the millennial stereotype here in Russia, but we do have the gifted kid and Rori instantly striked me as one of these.
Also thank you for sharing your stories, I'm sorry all of you had to deal with such awful health issues. I hope you're doing better now and wish you best of luck!
Society judges millenials as if it didn't actively create them 😂.
So did the romans when their younger generation was born
I like it also shows how school doesn’t necessarily prepare you for the real world Rory was really good at school because she didn’t really have to fight for things and was successful by staying the same smart “nice” girl she was perceived but she never grew any tools or traits needed to navigate the real world especially the extremely stressful world of journalism