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You should analyze Community! All the characters, the show in general, and even the relationships. I think it'll be interesting to analyze Abed because he sort of analyzes the other characters and events in their lives being a film fanatic himself.
It took me forever to watch this show. I sort arrived when it was finished. The first time I watched it, like everybody else, I liked it. I fell in love with the witty banter, the mother/daughter relationship, the cultural insight, etc. But, as I re-watched it for the renewal, I realize that first, Lorelei's character's, pretty much, rubbed me the wrong way. And second, the show doesn't age well at all. I understand that Lorelei was late in the game of growing up. But, I also felt she was constantly telling us that she was an adult and, at the same time, acting like a teenager. Especially in the relationship with her parents. She had it pretty easy, I would say. I don't know about you, but I do not know a lot of adults who have access to money when they see fit. Whenever she would complain that she needed the money, her parents would come handy but she would still act with resentment after they would help her. Also, I thought that she acted like the world literally revolved around her. She acted with an air of entitlement, and sometimes badly toward friends (Sookie), but would find it ok since she was so adorable!!! I loved her mother in the renewal show for, finally, telling her what I wish I could have said to her myself if she existed. And lastly, yes, the show as not aged well towards women, towards people of colour, towards homosexuality, etc. If I had one example of this is the episode where Paris tells Rory she lost her virginity with Jamie, for Lorelei saying that she had the 'good kid'!!! I didn't get that at all, especially for a character like her, who wanted to show that she could succeed as a woman/mother and 'sole' provider of her daughter. That was, in my opinion, really shortsighted from the writers.
You are right, but I think having started out as a maid at 16 and working up to executive manager at a nice inn is something for a very young single mother. She works hard at her job and is very good at it, and also owns a house. I believe it's in the first season that we see her taking business classes as well as attending a conference to learn more. I agree that emotionally she is still a teenager, but even early on she had met some very adult benchmarks.
@laura marrero fabian Yes! That's what disappointed me so much about Rory's arc in the movie. I wanted to see some more of her mother and grandmother in her. Some missteps, sure, but in the end strong, smart, and independent.
@me agree. I think it would have worked if the time gap didn't happen. Rory at 22 floundering makes sense. Rory in her 30s being such an entitled hot mess just feels sad.
Yes, starting your own successful business in your 30's is a major accomplishment. Just because it took a while from when she set the goal doesn't mean anything. Plenty of people never achieve their goals.
@@LDNisYourCorndogs Exactly! She floundered in her late teens and early 20s. I was fine with that, she was figuring life out. And it seemed like she was figuring it out by the end. But to be in her 30s and still so self-destructive and entitled is just sad.
Please do a video in Emily Gilmore. She's a complex character- she wants to be a loving Mom, but can tend to be manipulative at times. Yet, she has good intentions, respects her husband but isn't a mere trophy wife, and is ultimately more independent and outspoken than many of the cookie cutter wives in her area- even if she wants desperately to fit in. She is a product of her generation, but is very much the Lorelei of her contemporaries: she separates from Richard instead of just trying to save face, actually stands up for her daughter during and after her pregnancy, even though she found it embarrassing, and has a quick sense of humor. I also love the relationship she has with Richard. She really loves him, but their relationship is not perfect. She's annoying at times, but one of my favorite characters.
"Can tend to be manipulative at times" -- I would say it's pathological with her. Re-watch the first fiew episodes, she should be commited to an institution.
Emily actually reminds me of my own mother. So very traditional on so many subjects and hard to talk to, for not accepting new trends and ideals. And, on the other side, a pioneer and feminist on her time, a woman with her own loud voice.
It was funny, when I was a kid I thought she was the coolest mom in the world, when I was late teens/early 20s I found her grating and immature, and now that I’m only a couple years younger than she was at the start of the show I’m back to loving her. The idea that you’re an old, buttoned up statue by the time you’re 30 feels so unrealistic - and I love that she’s just a normal, flawed person.
@@Gabbsmusic651 this is why gilmore girls is my favourite show, everytime I watch it I'm in a different path in life and I interpreted characters in different ways... It just shows how good the characters development was all along the seasons
Yeah, I’m the same age now as Lorelei was at the beginning of the story. Lorelei is cool! I don’t always agree with her parenting, but I still liked her
I actually think that Lorelai was a lot more mature than she seemed. Most of her "immaturity" was for comedy, but when things were actually serious, she took control and was there for her daughter to encourage her, give advice, and spend time with her, like a good, responsible parent should. She worked hard at the inn and grew to be the manager. She had the responsibility to take on and be a part of Stars Hallow events. She didn't date at all when Rory was growing up, and when she finally did, she treated them well and actually committed to the relationship more than they did. Although she didn't want a long-term relationship with Max, she was willing to give Christopher a chance, and actually married him until he proved himself to still be a trainwreck of a person. And then, with Luke, HE'S the one that doesn't want to get married and fully commit. She does grow throughout the series, as any character does, but I don't think she was immature or that she stopped developing at 16.
Yea, leaving Max at the alter was a just treatment of his character.... 😐🤦♂️ No, the connection between the two may have dwindled, as the reality of their hidden relationship dawned on them. But the way he swung the situation so that they could remain together was a good gesture. He bought the 1,000 daffodils, and generally was a good person. She left him in the lurch, and ceased all communication with him henceforth. She may have resembled a mature maternal figure in those respects; although to say she treated her partners with any respect (besides constant teasing and manipulation) is a lie. She passed this ineptitude at fostering and maintaining a relationship down to Rory. Consistently moving on when things teeter over to being serious.
@@glynkeegan306 thank you for pointing out how she treated Max was anything but respectful. To leave a person at the altar without a phone call or explanation is the height of immaturity and disrespect.
It's also important to note that, no matter what her situation was, Lorelai always stuck to her morals and supported the people she cared about. Even though she might be imature sometines, she always put Rory's needs first, she had a lot of relationships but she was always loyal to them, she was always present in Stars Hollow community and helped her friends when they needed. This gave her a "net" of people who helped her raise Rory and also grow as a person
Also, I don't think she dated at all when Rory was young. She was, in fact, a responsible and good parent. I don't think she should be too harshly judged for the few mistakes she made.
@@lividsunshine8968that was not Lorelai's best moment but, first, Rory was being super irresponsable and being manipulated by Logan and his friends. Second, Lorelai was not talking to her, but she was still concerned and cared about her. Also, Rory was older at that point and didn't need Lorelai to take Care of her that much
@@lividsunshine8968 Rory quit Yale only because she was feeling insecure by what Mitchum Hunzberger said! Lorelai tried to talk her out of that BAD decision. Rory wanted to make her own decisions, she made a huge mess and I think Lorelai was right to let her clean it up herself. She didn't try to control, micromanage or coddle her, like her parents did. She stated her opinion, initially offered her support to fix things, and then stood her ground when Rory refused her help. She was not being her parents, she was being Lorelai.
@@lividsunshine8968 Lorelai had a point when she said Rory's going to lose momentum if she takes time off Yale. It often happens that they can't get back on track, also, Rory had a very hard time catching up when she did get back to Yale - it would have been impossible to make up all that work if it was real life. It wasn't about what Lorelai wanted, it was about what was best for Rory. If grandparents hadn't taken Rory in for their completely selfish reasons (they wanted a new chance to have a 'daughter') Rory probably would have gotten to her senses sooner and wouldn't have gotten involved in all that D.A.R. crap. Being a Yale student was who Rory was, everyone who knew her - Lorelai, Paris, Jess, even Logan - knew that.
Yes, it's almost like an "Hourglass Plot", in that Rory and Lorelai switch roles by the end of the show, and into the revival. At the end, Lorelai is finally settling down with Luke, and has her life (somewhat) together, while Rory struggles to find a proper journalism job, makes copious romantic mistakes, and winds up single and pregnant, just like Lorelai had. The irony is delicious! 😋
Yeah, I'm on season 5 and now I am watching the show ONLY for Jess, Paris and Lane. Other characters are mostly ok or annoying, but these three are actually great and I wish I could be friends with them
It makes complete sense to me. There is an expression. Raise your kids, and you will spoil your grandkids. Spoil your kids, and you will raise your grandkids. Lorelai, whatever virtues she had, spoiled Rory by being her friend and not her mom. Now it's time for her to raise her grandkid and be the grownup in the dynamic.
Honestly, I like the idea of women not having to follow what standards society puts on them, but I was "raised" by a mom very similar to Lorelai and it was a rough experience. By the time I actually was an adult I felt like a t-shirt that had been handed down to three different siblings, turned into a cleaning rag that was used until it was filled with holes and then thrown out. In other words, deeply, deeply exhausted and overworked. Her and my mom have a lot of similarities-they both come from an upper class family with abusive/incredibly controlling parents, they're both rebellious towards their parents well past the point where it actually makes sense, flighty in relationships, emotionally immature and they both grew into adulthood very late. Lorelai is better I think, because she did stay at one job and worked her way up (which is no small feat, I don't care where you work) and she did stay in one town and made friends, both of which created a sense of stability for herself and Rory. But otherwise the similarities are so intense between them that I have trouble watching the show at all without becoming upset. I think the thing I like the least about Lorelai is how she's always praising how mature and perfect Rory is. My mom did the same thing to me and it's such a burden. I mean, being an adult and being mature is difficult enough when you actually are an adult and have life skills and experience under your belt-imagine how hard it is to be a teenager and have people around you constantly acting like it's a given that you can handle everything perfectly. When you hear that, you try to meet those expectations because praise from your parents matters. Ultimately, those expectations give you no chance to mess up, because you're the adult and if you mess up then your parents lose *their* source of stability. It's not long before their assumption that you're the adult becomes the reason why they can act like a child. Through the show I so badly wanted Rory to mess up in a big way and not feel bad about it, not ask for forgiveness. Get some space and find out what she wants for her own life without letting her mom tack on all of her "she's going to do what *I* wanted to do" crap. Also, how is that actually different from what Emily did to her? When it comes to Rory I always felt like Lorelai was just the "gal pal" version of her own mother. I do understand Rory's aimlessness in adulthood, because when you conquer maturity and adulthood (even if it's not a total conquering, but just well beyond where anyone else is) while you're still a child, what else do you have to do for the rest of your life? That's something that I struggle with every day. At 20 I felt like I had already raised a child, had navigated several toxic relationships of all different kinds, and then it was like "well damn, what am I supposed to do now?" I still don't know. I think as much as it can be an accomplishment for women to throw off the burdens that society places on them, it's also an accomplishment to acknowledge what your personal relationships need from you and to meet those as much as you can. I completely understand the interpretation, but I don't think that those old-time moms were being the most competent person in the room because society said they had to be perfect-I think they were the most competent person in the room because the other people in the room were children.
This gets it so on point. And I could really relate to your experiences. Holding the burden of maturity on your shoulders at that young an age is very difficult and problematic.
I cried reading your comment, because this is exactly my experience. This video really upset me, because I have always wished for one of those mature, put-together mothers while battling with my immature, single and irresponsible mother. My grandmother is also very similar to Emily, but their relationship has deteriorated as my mother is 50 and never matured past 19 from what I can tell. She basically ran away from home around then. When you are always hailed for maturity and being hard-working, failing at things or relaxing in your studies becomes harder and harder. Whenever I fall down, my mom tumbles down right with me, landing on me and the support system that should be there to catch you is gone. I am only 20 and have to worry about supporting my mother, getting her to go to work and getting her to do the things I need for my studies. I don't think sugar coating immature mothers is a good idea. If you aren't ready for adulthood, you shouldn't be a parent.
I never felt like Lorelai was immature. I felt like she was funny, awkward, youthful and didn’t hide her flaws. But as a parent, she provided a stable life for her daughter. I didn’t feel like she made it up as she went along. She owned a home, she was in management at her job then became a business owner and she provided a stable life for Rory.
They both had to grow up way to soon (one for becoming a mother, one for having an immature parent), and they both suffer from it later in life. You don't really grow up faster, you function and you miss out on things. You have to learn these things later in life. There is no shortcut to life lessons.
lorelay was immature but she has always been a good mother. she provided everything for her even if her conditions were the worst (as when she asked for permission to live in the cottage's inn and worked like hell). her immaturity hasn't made rory grow up faster. she even grew up slower than the majority of teenagers of her age, staying focused on her studies while others where preocuppied with dating and drinking. at least that's what I think :)
It makes me sad that adults having fun or finding joy and whimsy in life is so frowned upon. It's okay to not have everything together all the time, and not reaching "societal milestones" like marriage, or having a corner office career by 30 that you're expected to reach by a certain age doesn't mean you're underdeveloped! Everyone is on a different journey.
I fully agree. that being said, many people do dream about that but do not have the opportunities to do so. the thing i usually see is that there is this presentation of that you can be the responsible person or the fun person. why not both? also even if your the responsible person nowadays who makes sure to get a good education, take care of your family, take care of your health, pad your CV and network, there still can be unforeseen circumstances such as a pandemic that literally no one has control over.
It’s far more acceptable for those of us who grew up as Gen Y and Gen Z babies to be “big kids” as adults. Boomers and Gen X were expected to have it all figured out by 30. Now, 30s are the new twenties. Lorelei was problematic in some ways, but she also did work hard.
Actually, you can look at Cracked's take on Gilmore Girls. They say that Year in the Life Rory and Lorelai are the cannon characters, but the show seasons 1-7 are how the characters were portrayed in Rory's book. Rory was the child of an overly permissive parent, who let her do whatever she wanted,
I never thought Lorelai was immature when I saw the series for the first time. She's cheerful and has childish manners, but she was highly responsable in her life, instead of the man-child we are used to see in the movies you are comparing her: she always took care of Rory, always had a job and lived alone independently from her parents' money (till the story starts). Her lack of commitment to the romantic partners was because she was focused on Rory, and managed herself with a child always alone. Her partners till Luke never did her any favour. And also, could start to figuring out herself at work when Rory was old enough to grow self-sufficient. So, I don't really think that she was irresponsable or immature at all. She actually had to force herself to grow up when she had her daughter to set an example.
Agree. Lorelai has the right characteristics of being youthful but she is responsible when it matters. I do think she is a little indulgent towards Rory, but this is actually a pattern I've seen in multiple single mothers.
Yeah i think she wanted to play it safe in her relationships and career. But when Rory becomes and aduşt she wouldn't have to worry about her. Most of her "immature" lines are for comedic aspect but inside I think she is mature enough. Her and Lane's mom are opposites and i think something in the middle or %60 to Lorelai could be the ideal mother.
I disagree about her partners up until Luke doing nothing for her. What was wrong with Max? I don't think she should have married him since she obviously didn't love him enough, but he was good for her and Rory. And she dumped Jason for business stuff to do with her dad? That was just an excuse. Again, fine, she didn't love him but he was good with her. The only one who deserved the Lorelai selfish treatment was Christopher. They were just too much alike.
“Growing up is not giving up”. I love that because i thought being an adult was about putting dreams on the shelf and conforming. I became afraid of adulthood for it meant accepting a life of misery and boredom because it was ‘mature’. I’m glad you can be both happy and a adult.
Personally, anyone in life is developing always. At 32, she owned a home and had raised Rory to 16 in a private school and a goid job. No one stops growing or they are dead.
@@MusicIsMyAeroplane09 The same with the need for her to be married. Had the show been first created now I imagine Luke and Lorelai could just cohabit and the show would explore that instead.
3:10 How can you say her career is stuck when she worked her way up to the topmost top of the hotel and is preparing for the next steps? Only bc it's the same hotel, that's kind of a hollow argument here.
For those who think that Lorelai is a spoiled child, the series is heavily focused on her growth and her foil in her far more mature daughter Rory (at least in the early seasons). This woman is FAR from perfect, but all the main characters are flawed to show humour and enhance drama. Also, while her parents did give her the best of everything economically, Emily (who is obviously amazing in her own right) was controlling and emotionally abusive, and Richard was largely an absent parent. Emotional abuse is less seen than physical abuse, but is still just as horrible.
I agree, and while Lorelai might be childish in some ways she isn't actually an irresponsible parent and she isn't really that immature in how she acts against Rory. I myself had young parents who were very immature and to me the difference is huge between Lorelai buying home sweets for her and her daughter to snack on on a weekday and a parent just refusing to even make a sandwich for their kids and have them living och sugared cereal 4 times a day....
A I’m so sorry your parents treated you like that. I totally agree that she’s not that irresponsible ether, like when Madeleine and Louise sneak out of the concert to party with older guys they don’t know (season one), Lorelai tracks them down angrily and tells them off, then speaks with their parents to make sure they understand how their daughters behaved.
@readilykatie "Emily (who is obviously amazing in her own right) was controlling and emotionally abusive" She is either amazing or was a controlling and emotionally abusive mother. You can't have it both. Pick one, Katie.
Marie Lastname You got me, Marie. Emily IS controlling and emotionally abusive. Which probably means that we should just shut her down without any problem, because emotional abuse is serious and can devastate the developmental children being raised in this type of atmosphere (speaking from personal experience). There is a part of me (a stupid part) that kind of revels in the power Emily displays while interacting with others, much like Paris. Also, much like Paris, Emily can be inconsiderate and mean. So if I have to pick one lane, I’d say Emily is mostly emotionally damaging to Lorelai, and whether she is for Lorelai’s best interests is for the individual to decide.
@@readilykatie8312 I don't see the parallels between Emily and Paris that you seem to see. Yes, there were very few things that Paris did that crossed a line but one I remember she did as a teen and the other I remember she had a good enough reason for, even if only from her perspective. Emily was an adult when she raised Lorelai and during the run of the show and while raising Lorelai she seems to have been very distant ("Other kids got hugs and kisses, I had to learn to keep at a distance" - Lorelai, paraphrased) on top of really controlling and invasive of people's privacy (we see that behaviour when Rory lives with her and Richard). "Inconsiderate and mean" and "controlling and abusive" aren't on the same level for me. I know that meanness and even inconsideration can be abusive, but they aren't in general. Abusive actions, though, are abusive by definition. I am not sure what you mean with your last sentence. Are you saying that Emily could have been "abusive for Lorelai's best interest"? If yes, is what you mean that it is possible that Emily didn't know she was being abusive? And did abusive things by accident because she had her daughters best interest in mind? I personally had a problem with the ending of the original show, with Lorelai being on good terms with her parents. Both of them had done on or two things each that I cannot describe differently than as them "crossing the line". And I don't mean in the "what you did is so bad that I need to actually forgive you and can't just say that it was bad but not too bad". For me, it needs a lot for something to be something that actually needs to be *forgiven* and that cannot simply be resolved by a simple "Oh, you're sorry? In this case we're fine". For me, if someone does something that needs to be forgiven, they have already crossed one line. The one it takes less to cross. What Richard and even more so Emily did in one to two instances each, were things that cross another line. A line towards into "unforgiveable territory". Given that neither Emily nor Richard ever said that they were sorry for things like their meddling as well as the abuse they inflicted on Lorelai as a child, there are even two reasons why I didn't like the ending of the original series: Firstly, as said, what they did was unforgiveable (in my eyes) and secondly, they didn't even ask for forgiveness *and as well as explain themselves* (and both would have been necessary in this case), yet were apparently still forgiven. I liked two things especially well during the run of the original show: The first is the conversation Lorelai and Rory once had in which Lorelai pretty much told Rory that her (grand)parents weren't exactly good people. This happened after Rory herself found out that her grandparents behaved "badly" in a certain scenario. (I really don't know what it was.) Lorelai in this situation simply told her daugther the truth: Yes, the bad behaviour you saw from your parents is the kind of behaviour they display regularly, this is normal for them. She didn't bash her parents but she also didn't defend her parents in a dishonest way to protect the not especially positive picture her daughter had of her (grand)parents. I really don't remember Lorelai's exact words but she pretty much said that it is good that Rory starts seeing that bad side of her (grand)parents. The second is the scene in which Lorelai tells her mother that the two of them (Lorelai and Emily) "are through", or something like that. It happens when Lorelai finds out about her mother's sabotaging (or attempt at sabotaging) her relationship with Luke. I didn't just like those two things better than the "we're all on good terms with each other" finale because Lorelai acts more like I would have if I had been in her shoes but because I find it just way more realistic. Emily and Richard are so often just either forgiven by Lorelai or she just kind of rolls over to keep taking a metaphorical beating from her parents - I really can't say what it is she does. She acts weak in these situations, not mature. But I know that a lot of people see someone cutting off their parents, ending all contact with their parents or at least all contact that could lead to their parents further influencing their life as something inherently immature. Which it isn't. It's a way to take your life into your own hand and taking care of yourself when and because you need it. Not because you selfishly want it but because you need it to finally be free. Not free to do what you want but free to be happy and - for example - more capable of being a supportive person to other people in your life.
I don't think that Lorelai and Rory's relationship was healthy or envious as many people like to portray that it was. When everything in their lives were great they were the best of friends but as soon and something went wrong their relationship was strained they would completely shut down from one another and argue as if they're school girls rather that sit and talk about it like family members or close family members would do.
Agree. I also dont like the fact that they expected to constantly be bailed out by each other, Lorelai's parents or their friends. We all have flaws but they never face consequences for their actions and that's why they stay that way for most of their lives.
Rory stealing a yacht and dropping out of Yale because she can’t take criticism. Lorelai sleeping with Christopher because she can’t communicate with Luke (Although I hated the April subplot)
For most of my life, that is how my mother and I were. We'd get angry, tell and then not talk to each other for a while. In the show, they eventually always talk and apologize. In my household, we would talk eventually but no one ever apologized. So I don't think it's fair to assume that close families always talk things out right away. Some people need time and distance.
@@fallintodesire I mean sure but that's not good. It's important to say sorry and express regret to the other person. People need to learn how to talk to each other
Actually I think this is a very superficial way to look at Lorelei as a character. Yes, she has all the trappings of an immature adult, she eats mostly junk food and doesn't have the best relationship track record, but if you look under the surface of that, Lorelei is INCREDIBLY mature. She's worked at the same job for years, but she's a manager now when she started as a maid. Yeah her house is a mess, but she got the house BY HERSELF to take care of her kid. She doesn't have the money to do it necessarily (which is not her fault), but she gets her kid into one of the best private schools in the state. Lorelei rejects the stiff, unhappy adulthood of her parents completely, but she is NOT irresponsible. It is not a bad thing that she wears chocolate flavored lip gloss and thinks boys are dreamy, because the SECOND she needs to be there for Rory she is. First season to last.
@@villanelle2.0 well yes not every character is going to be completely perfect. she definitely had many flaws but the overall air of her maturity is in her dedication to rory, not romantic relationships. when rory needed her, she was there.
I always admired Lorelai for "having it all put together" at 32, I wanted to be like her minus the child. I'm 32 now and don't even have a job, I coudn't find one with my first career, I'm back at school to get the degree I want with yet again the help of my parents. I though a decade ago I'd have everything I wanted by 30: a super well paid job, two master degrees (and maybe a Ph.D.), I'd travel wherever I want and eat and buy whatever I want, but ain't like that. I'll have all that later... Wish me luck!
Thanx for sharing your story. I'm in a similar boat! I'm 30 and not quite there yet in my career and also still in school. I'm enjoying the process anyway until I get to the finish line. Good to know someone has a similar situation. Blessings for both of us!
What makes Lorelai's "Growing Up" so interesting is not that she is "immature" but rather her life is a critique of what maturity even is! Is Emily mature? The woman who pays for maids to cook for her then can't even remember their names? Is the dad mature? The man who can barely have a meaningful emotional conversation with his family?
I actually found Lorelei pretty mature. She raised Rory on her own, starting with virtually nothing. She worked her way up from nothing. She even owns her Inn by the end. I think the bigger question is what defines maturity? Being married and living a buttoned up life?
She's definitely responsible but I agree with the video-- she lacks emotional maturity. She is a good mother who does what needs to be done for her daughter while staying true to her values, but she has trouble committing and pushes her own desires of what life should be onto rory.
I loved how Lorelai was the perfect subversion of the image of the "ideal, Adult woman". Although women are typically depicted as the voice of reason, Lorelai shows us that it's perfectly acceptable to not have everything sorted, and there's no one way to be an "adult", and that we're always learning and growing. ❤️
But comparing to male man child is so dumb in every conventionally movie following the male man child at the end of the movie his behaviour is shown not be good and his matures. Staying like a child is good for neither women or men
I loved her too. In my eyes she wasn't immature, just not willing to become old, boring and bored. I mean, she has a house, a job and eventually her own Inn. She doesn't do anything truly dangerous or reckless. I didn't watch the sequels, but as someone who was more of a Rory in my teens (also had "cool parents") I found her to be a role model in how to be an adult with a lightness to it.
@@monabohamad2242 no my only point is in movies like idfk Rom cons with like Paul Rudd or Seth rogen playing good dudes they learn by the end to be more serious ?? So go fuck off u speckled creepy
Lorelai and Rory's role reversal relationship was the heart of the show. Since Lorelai was only a child herself when she had Rory, Rory kept her grounded, and acted as the rational, uptight adult of the two. I thought that after everything Lorelai did to ensure that Rory got a better life than she had, it was ironically sad to think that Rory ended up single and pregnant in the revival finale, just like Lorelai had. 🤰
Nidhi Mathew no, it’s not an equal comparison but then again few things in life are. The point was that Amy wanted the story to go full circle. So now Rory is the single pregnant mom who hooked up with some cute rich guy who she has feelings for but who will prob never be fully present as a father. Meanwhile she grows closer and closer to the scruffy love of her life unbeknownst to her. Full circle.
I don't think Lorelai was immature. She was more like a Manic Pixie Dream Girl. In reality, she may have acted childlike, but she worked hard, built a business, always instilled important lessons into her daughter, and kept a roof over their heads all by herself. That's pretty damn mature if you ask me.
Right, and she was a responsible mother who never risked her child's safety. PLUS: She was always emotionally available. Rory was never neglected. Lorelai was just playful in a sweet and sexy way.
This is the first time I've ever so wholly disagreed with one of y'alls analysis. Lorelai has built a strong career managing a successful (if small) inn, owns a home, raises a daughter with impeccable education, a relaxed, mature way of looking at life, and a sense of responsibility. Lorelai's quirks and moments of immaturity make her more of a real person, not an "adult stuck in adolescence." From the very first season she's actively working toward her own career goals by taking classes and making plans. It's being thrown back into her borderline-abusive parent's home--for the sake of Rory--that makes her start to regress, but literally everyone does that. Associative regression is a psychological principle. She is an adult woman with issues--not a teenager in an adult body. She's a commitophobe because she spent her early years being EXTREMELY tightly controlled. She's a lover of freedom. She's also a loyal friend, calm in several types of crisis (not all), responsible enough to manage her whole life, Rory's life, and an entire business by herself, unabashed about her sense of humor, clever, and charming. She DOES grow up and face her issues as the seasons go on, but...I mean, every adult keeps growing up and changing as they age. Feels like calling her a child is just pushing someone for not letting their love of life and fun and honest self-expression fade as they age. Also, can we stop judging women by whether they've decided to be in a romantic relationship?
Sad Dragon - If I could give this 1,000 likes, I would. Exactly my problems with the video. Every 20-30 seconds, I just kept wondering what version of Gilmore Girls they watched, cause it wasn’t the same one I saw.
@@ziegfeldgirl99 You just didn't see enough. Watch the show again. Every single time there's a conflict between mother-daughter, they shut the other out. When Rory fell asleep with Dean in Ms Patty's place, Lorelei completely flipped out. It's why Rory never learned to communicate with her on serious matters.
@@smurfyday you dont have confliclts with your parents. You dont shut then out from time to time. All parents ans theie kids fight and dont talk to each other. Thats life.
This is true. My one childhood friend had to look after her younger siblings all her childhood and she’s very immature today. Idk if it’s because of not being able to be a kid as a child or if she became her parents.
Yep, a lot of kids that are forced to "grow up fast" might be more prepared, for the real world... but are emotionally immature. All children need a childhood.
I grew up really fast due to a mom like Lorelei, it is not a given that people like me will be emotionally immature. Rory's reverse aging has always bothered me because she knows when she is wrong, but she does it anyway as if she doesn't care anymore. I sympathize with this as my own motivation to work hard and be responsible has dwindled, but part of being mature is doing things you don't want to and I still don't understand how Rory changed so much. My motivation to succeed is to support my family, perhaps Rory's understanding that her mom is no longer depending on her allows her to act careless.
I'm rewatching all of Gilmore Girls during lockdown in the UK. I will always revisit Gilmore Girls, it makes me feel so nostalgic and comfy and I wish I had even an ounce of Lorelai's confidence!
I love that the show is so long. By the time you finish it and want to rewatch it its been so long you actually forget some stuff and it, as you said, has that nostalgic and comfy feeling!
I have the completely series on DVD so yeah I put it on and let it run. These people are not perfect and not in a perfect world but they sure can help me to forget about my reality from time to time.
I actually don't like it. For me this whole circle thing, when done right showing nuances, but in this case it's just lazy writing. It takes away the empowrement of Rory, a strong woman and makes it into a sad tale of no matter how much you try you will end up the same. And that destroys the point of the show for me. Logan would have been a great husband and father for Rorys baby, as he, while still flawed, grew up a lot. This would break the circle as Rory wouldn't be the same single mother as Lorelai. And that's actually the outcome I still hope for if there would be a season 9. Because it just depresses me if this show would end with a lost single mother Rory without a job and Logan confirming to his fathers whishes, marrying Odette whom he doesn't love. For me thid show is about how you can build your own happiness even though you or your upbringing was flawed.
@@hannahk9712 I agree. It is actually so sad and tragic that they decided to go for the 'daughter living out the sin of the mother' trope. It is realistic, but so disheartening. After everything Lorelai did to ensure Rory had a better life and future than her, only for Rory to repeat the same mistakes as her mother and for Rory to turn out just like Lorelai. If you think about it this way, and think about all the development and years in the show, it really is truly sad. It tells you that no matter how much you try as a mother or a daughter, you can never break free from the karmic trauma of your lineage, and are doomed to live out the course of your mother's life. Tragic
Also, if you look at the micro level, yes, Lorelai says childish things in a childish way. She's childish when she can be. But if you look at the macro level, she's very responsable when she HAS TO. I guess she had to do so much growing up when she got pregnant at 16 and left her parents' house that she uses every chance to be childish that she can get.
The thing is, her character is simply a juxtaposition to the character of "the conservative mom". She was free-spirited, so she didn't take herself or life too seriously, and that's what made her so relatable and adorable.
Let’s just admit how radical and original this show was in depicting three generations of strong, smart, stubborn, flawed, immature women, and giving each of them them character arcs which let them slowly and believably grow up (in-spite of their ages).
I never saw it as a problem that Lorelai did not have a partner. I think it is old fashioned to think that every woman or man has to find a partner in order to be happy and live a fulfilled life. To me it was so refreshing that an adult kept a bit of her juvenile self and not abolished it once in her case she got Rory or hit age 21. I grew up watching Gilmore Girls, I am 26 years old now and I still eat Nutella out of the jar or don't get out of my pajamas all day. Does this make me a failed adult? I hope not, because I enjoy doing this from time to time. So many adults have forgotten what it is like to be childish and it makes me sad. These childish episodes in my adult life make it much more enjoyable. Too often we think of others and how they might react than just doing what we want of what we feel like. Society pressure is a horrible thing and in my opinion makes everyone's life unnecessarily harder and less fun. Sorry for this long comment, but I just wanted to say how I feel about this.
I agree. I think the the fans of GG who are putting down Lorelai and Rory dont know how to have fun and think they are perfect then a non fiction character. I will be 51 in two months and i act childish and im not perfect at all i struggle just like everyone else.
I think this misses the mark... I never saw Lorelai as immature like this. As others have mentioned, she actually seemed incredibly mature from a very young age. Her personality type is just one that comes across as more child-like and energetic a lot of the time. I know many people like this. When the situation merits it, they're completely serious, and they're more than capable as individuals, but to more consistently "serious" types, it can be very easy to dismiss them.
I completely agree, her personality is playful and fun but she is still responsible regarding her career and being a mother. I don't think she was immature or a late bloomer
@@kaam960 well, I didn't say she was responsible in her relationships with men, she obviously had a lot of anxiety when it came to commitment. I agree that she was immature in that regard.
She relies way too much on Rory, when she breaks up with Max she forces her daughter to follow along in her crazy road trip thing, she is constantly distracting Rory from her studies, and eats junk food all day long / doesn't exercise, basically she never sets a good example for Rory. That can only have affected her daughter in a negative way.
@@paolina1802 and @Aneesa shah I think there's definitely still things that Lorelai had to work through as an adult - that's the case with pretty much all people! We all have our issues throughout life that we have to keep working on. I don't, however, feel like it tipped into "Oh, she was hopelessly immature and childish to the core" as seems to be alleged here. Does each character have their weak points and moments? Yes. Is that different from simply being immature and underdeveloped? Also yes. I do know, though, that this personality type is often misperceived and written off as simply "immature," when in reality it's more often than not misperception. That's the beauty of a well-crafted show, though - when characters are fleshed out/complex enough that there can be multiple takes on who they are and what they're like : ) (and @Li Ta so glad you felt the same too!)
my mom had me when she was 17 and we have this exact same dynamic. the only big differences is that she's had the same partner (my stepdad) since i was a kid and had 3 more girls and that we don't have the financial security the gilmore girls have. it was still pretty cool to see our dynamic so accurately portrayed in a show
I think that Rory got more immature with time because somehow she skipped adolescence. I mean, she didn't finish exploring it and experimenting that phase. I guess, that's because she grew up seeing how immature her mom was, so she felt like they needed more balance in their relationship. So, she became the responsible one. Once, she finally reaches adulthood she is lost and worn-out. She starts having doubts, has she been making decisions based on what she wants or in order to please others? What does Rory want in life? What about all those things she didn't get to experience, is it late to start now? The more focused and determined Rory we saw on the first seasons was a kid trying (or pretending) really hard to be a mature adult. Just like Lorelai, Rory show us that sooner or later in other to become mature we first have to go through a period of uncertainty, recklessness and mistakes.
I really agree! This is why adolescence is important. I have a friend like this, growing up she was always put together and mature to balance the immaturity of her siblings, but when she went to college she lost her focus, acted immature and realized she didn't have her life figured out at all... it's so interesting to see why being a teenager is so important
Calling Lorelai a "woman-child" completely misses the point of her character. Her immature habits (like the junk food) are shallow characteristics played for comedy. What about her moral fortitude and strong sense of responsibility throughout the show? Someone who has a steady job (where she worked her way up to be the manager), owns a home, owns a car, and successfully raises a child is NOT a woman-child like the characters from Girls. The only area where she "fails" is in relationships because she doesn't date while Rory is young. But that's not how we measure growing up for women, I hope.
Her career isn't static, she started as a maid and worked her way up to managing the whole inn. Her dream of owning an inn was not a pipe dream, in s4, she and Sookie bought the Dragonfly Inn and, after a difficult period that they worked very hard to get through, it became a huge success.
Woah woah woah woah. Hold up. Lorelai wasn't simply "working at the same place since she was a teen." That is not completely true. She started out in housekeeping and sleeping in the makeshift shed as a runaway and then worked her way up to RUN THE PLACE (which was a very popular tourist destination!) Don't diminish her hard work like that. She also finished school and bought a house all by the beginning of the series. Lorelai isn't perfect, but y'all really missed the mark at 1:03.
I'm shocked you guys didn't add the bit of Emily learning to be her own person after the death of Richard. It seemed to also go along with the theme of growing up and being yourself. It just seemed like a no brainer, or am I very wrong?
I'm so glad that this video brought up what I've always suspected: Rory has always been under huge pressure not to repeat her mother's mistake which is why she rebells and act out in later seasons. It's like she and Loreli really developed that normal mother-daughter relationship then. I also don't get why some people are disappointed that her journalist career fails in the revival. As being a good student and graduate from Yale guarantees a smooth sailing success.
My disappointment with Rory in the revival stems from her lack of effort work-wise. She goes to an interview and isn't prepared and seems to just be waffling since she got that one article published. Journalism is a dying field - it's understandable that she would be struggling - but I wanted to at least see her trying and she seemed to not be taking anything seriously. I don't need her to still be hyper-focused but I want her to be hard working.
Somehow the first part of the video portrays Lorelai as a cautionary tale, yet she is a great example of how a girl showed character and made a life-altering decision and took responsibility for her actions. She is mature enough to stand by her decision of raising Rory alone, without financial help of her parents and she never once doubted it or blamed her parents for not 'coming to get her' afterwards. And while the eating habits are abysmal, clearly you cannot keep a figure with that diet, other character traits of a 'woman-child' are charming and why eventually men fall for her! She's not perfect, but spontaneous and dazzling and impossible, and yes, her relationship with her parents is far from perfect, but she is a great example of a one-of-a-kind woman.
Fun fact Amy Sherman paladino (I really hope that's how you spell her name) wanted from the beginning for the ending of the show to be Rory telling her mom she's pregnant. Unfortunately she was kicked out of the writing room for the last season, so she could only do the ending she wanted in that year in the life series.
I think the irony would’ve hit so much more perfectly if it happened while Rory was younger. Everyone gets their stuff in a bunch about ending on that note but I feel like it’s kind of the point to not see beyond those words. Lorelei doing everything right so that Rory doesn’t end up like her, making half her moves with her parents parenting style in mind and doing the opposite, just for things to end up the same?
Hmmm, I'm not vibing with the Lorelai in arrested development interpretation. From Emily and Richard's perspective maybe - but when she's around them she *has* to be on the defensive, in the early seasons especially she was /always/ correct about them being up to something with any "gift" or "help" having strings attached, which they would then guilt trip her over. She worked her way up from a maid to running the inn without any experience, she's active in her community, she put herself through Business school, with any events or emergencies she is in the drivers seat of getting things sorted (like the fire at the inn). She has stuff to work on absolutely, but it's never a problem to be solved that she's childish, and she has absolutely grown and changed between 16 and the start of the show, p harsh to say she's stuck there!
I started watching Gilmore Girls when I was about 10. We would rent them through Netflix when they sent the DVDS in the mail (before streaming). It is such a nostalgic show for me and I love the safe, cozy, positive feel the show gives me 💕
A couple o years ago i rewatched gilmore girls and noticed how Lorelei was an strong woman to pass to all difficulties in life but not giving up and she's always tried to do the right thing. In other hand, Rory was turned to be someone who cares more for status. I always liked Lorelai more and now i realised why.
I can’t believe it’s happened but I think y’all missed the mark with this take lol. This whole take is based on the idea that you’re not an adult unless you’re married, own a business and settled down. Lorelei is one of the most responsible characters on the show. She raised a baby/kid/teenager, while working full time, going to night school and still managing to find time to have some kind of dating life. She’s 32 with a great paying job, owns her home and has a group of friends who love her and her daughter. So she dumped a few dudes... that called dating. Being married at 32 doesn’t make you an adult. So she didn’t get to own her business until she was in her mid to late 30’s... so what? Most people never accomplish that (or desire to). That doesn’t define adulthood either. This entire take feels like it’s from the prospective of Lorelei’s parents lol. Having a bubbly, brighten and, optimistic personality isn’t irresponsible. Dating, at any age, isn’t irresponsible. Working for someone else (or having a job) isn’t irresponsible. In my book if you got a job, a house and your teenage kid isn’t reenacting scenes from Skins or Euphoria, that’s a win lol.
@@RedCaio Only time that's kinda a big deal in the show is when their house has termits-- but it's that episode she makes a good point in. Rory is very spoiled and has everything she could want and more and all because of Lorelai who provides that for her. Don't underestimate her. She definitely had to budget and bust her arse to get her house and pay bills as a single teen mum.
Imposing the responsibilities of your childishness onto your child is irresponsible. It's not about their budget or termites, it's Lorelai's emotional immaturity that affects Rory
I think she had moments of irresponsibility. Like when she dated Rory's teacher and left him at the alter...LOL!!! And then met him afew years later and tried to date him again. LOL!
Lorelai didn't have the same job as she had as a teenager. She ran the Independence Inn when the show started after climbing the latter starting as a maid as a teenager. As she herself put it in a conversation with her mother: "I run the inn, it doesn't get higher up" (paraphrased).
oh my gosh yes! more gilmore girls content please, I love this show so much (I still watch it almost daily) and rarely see any analysis about it anymore even though I think about it constantly.
I would love to see The Take do a video on the show Roseanne (the original.) I’d love to see analysis on how the show was such a departure from family sitcoms up until then in so many ways. Like the socioeconomic factors, what parenting looks in their household, the importance of Aunt Jackie, even the fact that the parents weren’t the typical trim, fit parents people were used to seeing on TV.
I'm not entirely sure I agree with the depiction of Lorelai as having arrested development, particularly as she built a successful life for herself. Its difficult to compare her to the all-knowing housewife type mothers depicted earlier and I really dont think those types of mothers are particularly accurate at depicting real-life humans. I feel like they were a construct of what society at the time imagined a woman should be and women were pressured to follow this image. Generally I feel like Lorelai is more relatable to any woman today. You can be successful and still not feel like you have everything figured out. Whats to say that those particular milestones set by older generations define a mature woman? I feel like generally this video defines endearing and silly character traits as immaturity and arrested development when I don't necessarily feel that's fair or accurate of a woman who after falling pregnant at 16, abandons her parents wealth, starts a life in a new town, raises a very mature and intelligent child, owns her own house and is a manager of an inn. And also even Emily, who I imagine is the "mature woman" in this show, also had quite a teenager-esque tantrum when she thought Richard had locked her in the basement... Society today allows women to be themselves and figure their way out rather than setting standards and goals they must achieve whether they want them or not, and Gilmore Girls represents that change.
I also never thought about Lorelai as having arrested development, but as being fiercely independent and okay with making mistakes and feeling her way through life, which is very wise in its own way. She was a friend to Rory, yes, but I remember there were many times she was the mother Rory needed her to be. This video makes it look like Rory was always a perfect model of maturity and sort of "raised" Lorelei, but that's not how I remember the show.
Also I wasn't a big fan of the last part when they pretty much said that having an " adult" life is : marriage house career. Although a career is the only thing necessary, you don't need to own a house or be married to be happy , some people simply don't believe in the culture of marriage , they can live for 5 years , 10 or a lifetime with a partner and be comitted but not have any paper that joins them.
I love Lorelai. She was a teen when she give birth, and for me, accomplish a lot. Like you say she is the executive manager now, she didn't give up her job, she provided for her daughter in a safe environment, she owns a house. No mother is perfect, but she's loving to Rory and a good mother. I admire her, she accomplish a lot and she matured at her own time.
People complain about now Rory being immature but at least now shw looks like a real person, that makes mistakes and not that image of perfection that no one can achive.
Yes, her parents were emotionally manipulative, and being forced to live a life that isn't yours is awful. Relationships with parents can be very complicated. Yes, they gave her everything from a financial point of view, but they didn't see the real her. My beef with Lorelai lies in the way she treated Max, Luke and everyone else except Rory. So entitled, self centered, spoiled. Everything had to be about her. Yes, she was very cool and witty, but so selfish.
llama prana I think to set an example just take her and Sookie. I know that Lorelai is the main character but every time she and Sookie are together they always talk about Lorelai and her life.
@@kaam960 Also, how she treats Chris. I mean he is another load to begin with and definetly not flawless, but she keeps him on the hook for years, using his love when her other relationships break down but always just toying with his feelings, to the point of marriage. She breaks him over and over again until she manages to let go.
Gilmore Girls has been a major source of comfort for me as I grew up in a similar family situation. Emily Gilmore is the classic textbook narcissistic mother. Overly controlling, gaslighting and manipulative which only shaped Lorelies childlike personality and made it take longer to mature. Women who grow up in this kind of family environment have difficulty in all the areas mentioned in this video. It has been validating for many of us that grew up this way.
As immature as Lorelai might seem she was also almost the only person challenging and questioning Rory's stupid and immature decisions. She was certainly childish but also wise to some extent. I don't think Rory's immaturity later in life was because she had to be "the parent" (she was given a home, love and an education by her mother who has always had a job) but because she was praised so much by her grandparents and the whole town. Lorelai was the only one challenging her and therefore helping her grow up. I kind of want a season 9 to give Rory the character arch of Lorelai's coming of age.
my mom had me at 22 but we’re still best friends. she’s not as childish as lorelai but she’s pretty chill about a lot of things. her parents weren’t rich but it’s sort of the same dynamic. it’s kind of crazy to think about how alike they were.
Lorelai Gilmore is also an example of a trope that I've noticed: Strong, independent woman who has no idea how to cook. Carrie Bradshaw and Rachel from Friends are also examples of this trope. I think this specific trope must be related to cultural pushback against the traditional housewife phenomenon that you mentioned at the beginning of this video.
Hillary M I agree, but not about Rachel. Her initial storyline was that she was a spoiled rich girl who had everything done for her. Her dad paid for everything, she didn’t know how to do laundry. I feel like her not knowing how to cook is just a part of that. She had no idea how to take care of herself at the start of the show. But I definitely agree on everything else.
My favorite us the protagonist and antagonist from She Devil because it's so over the top making fun of that trope. It makes cooking and laundry look like rocking science to the characters. "In your new romance draft, you dedicated a whole chapter to laundry."
@@wandetta4467 I want them to do a video about She-Devil! I just watched it twice this week for the first time and I love how it deconstructs the Vile Mistress- Cheating Husband- Frumpy Wife dynamic. Both women outgrow sexist, cheating, gaslighting Bob and take control of their lives. He's the problem, not them! @thisisthetake @thetake
What I like about both Lorelai and Rory's characterizations is that they aren't too one-dimensional. Lorelai has a youthful liveliness while Rory is more reserved. The series could have easily made Lorelai into a washed-out mess and Rory a super uptight mini-adult. But it's not that simple in the series. Lorelai is youthful in some ways, but she can be emotionally intelligent and has all the basic maternal instincts when it comes to Rory. She's still responsible and does a good job raising Rory. Rory is smart, but obviously still naive and figuring things out throughout the series. She is a lot less emotionally intelligent than Lorelai and is very bad at reading not only others, but herself. It was so much fun watching them both develop in their own ways throughout the series.
I also liked the other adult, Luke, who was the one super responsible, organized, tidy, correct, business owner, etc but was also immature in so many aspects, especially with human relashionships. Like, to show you immaturity has nothing to do with those things, or the fact that you like hello kitty and gummy bears
This show has a heart warming spot in my heart, specially because of the realistic struggles that we see. Younger audiences can relate to the way that Lorelai struggles to emotionally mature and not feel pressured from the high expectations of her parents and society. But I feel like we can also relate to the way that Rory was so determined and how mission oriented she was. In one way, she highlights the parts of ourselves that we usually try to show to others, the determined and mentally stable one. But we also see how raw she became after she realized that the things that she wished the most didn’t give her the value and worthiness that she was looking for, I feel like she needed to feel successful to be worthy, which is normal for a teenager but she learned how not to portray that in a way that we all knew. I genuinely like how much she changed, I know that some people really miss her introverted self, but I feel like she was just simply growing up and finding herself outside her comfort zone.
I find it interesting that in this video the comment section has a lot of analysis’s and are very passionate in comparison to som either videos. It just goes to show how strong the Gilmore Girls fan base is.
I really dont think Lorelei was 'immature'. I saw her character as very grown up, just tired of social norms. She could be pretty darn adult like when it counted.
I dont understand how anyone can say she stopped growing at 16. she took responsibility for her baby, forged a life for herself, worked hard- why would anyone care that you are in the same place both as a job and residence, today we view that as being stagnant and having no ambition, but she was doing what she loved, adn cultivating a community..! That takes more commitment then just moving on every few years..! She makes mistakes like everyone does, but ultimately treated her partners well and created a good life for herself and her daughter. She may be a little judgemental and other things that are problematic with Amy Sherman Palladino shows, but.. We all have levels of immaturity, and tbh early 30's still isnt that old, she's put a lot aside to be the kind of mother she wanted to be for Rory- so it makes sense that she's then developing a lot when she starts to date again and put her dreams mroe in the forefront when rory gets older. So she has a sense of humour, and does thinks a little uncouth sometimes, manners doesnt equate to maturity.
I feel like Rory getting pregnant at 32 is much different than getting pregnant at 16 and running away from home with nothing like Lorelei did. Yes she is a single mom who would have struggles. However she does have a career and more support.
Omg I'm so glad I'm not the only one who notice that. Rory has more support and a career, I don't know why her mother gets so shocked when she finds out she pregnant. I mean it's better late then never imo
I understand people's criticisms of Rory, but as someone who was kind of a Rory in high school, I kind of sympathize (though I wouldn't go around sleeping with married people.) Rory, in addition to growing up with a lot of privilege, grew up with a lot of pressure to live up to people's high expectations of her. Even though she was naturally studious, I'm pretty sure Rory felt the pressure from both her mom and grandparents to essentially "make up" for her mom's failures by being super successful. In addition to her family, the entire town of Stars Hollow also seemed to put her on a pedestal. When you peak in high school, the only way for you to go is down. Her breakdowns in college and later in her career make a lot of sense.
i love how her character shows that your life isn't stagnant by the time you're 30 and you don't have to fit into that "adult" cookie cutter form. i get a lot of anxiety from that because it feels like you have to give up yourself for your future family.
I love your videos and I also love Gilmore Girls, can't wait for your new updates on it. I guess it was a very accurate description of Lorelai and although I love her, I remember being pissed of in the moments that she felt it was convenient to act like a mother towards to Rory. It gives me the impression that they're close to each other because they are alike, but when Rory does something she doesn't approve, she plays the mom card.
i think lorelei is a commentary on our societies expectations of women. Like what is this expectation that women are fountains of strength and wisdom. it sucks.
Yes, the 'magic mother' trope, you don't get emotional progression or dramatic tension, you're only allowed to stand on the sidelines and say 'go faster' platitudes to the **real** star of the show, the young unmarried daughter. That is too much pressure on a person, and you could argue it contributes to postnatal depression etc. Traditionally, women have always married and had children very young anyway, they have always, surely, had their immature moments? Presumably in the same way that fathers have traditionally been seen as distant, but then they were also in general older and expected to be out working 6 days a week, so not so much distant as literally absent and physically exhausted. But then, when your mother says/ does something genuinely immature or cruel, you do feel it more viscerally, it is arguably more damaging.
I've always thought that Stars hollow was the female version of Peter Pan's Neverland... the safe fantasy world, where Lorelai hides away from the 'real world' and all the responsibilities that come along with it. IMO, just like Peter Pan was a cautionary tale for men, I think lorelai (and by extension Rory) is a cautionary tale for women who confuse a lack of responsibility/commitment with happiness and success. When you think about it, Lorelai (just like Peter Pan) is portrayed as an exceptional figure who had lots of opportunities and potentials for greatness coming her way. She was smart, charming, beautiful, confident and had a very supportive family with the financial means to back her 100%. And in a way, that potential is how she gained praise as a young girl... because she had more potential than most girls, so she automatically stood out as special. But of course, in order to make that praise sustainable for the long-term, she'd have to transform her potential into something more like an expertise, which brings about lot of pressure in the form of commitments, responsibilities and expectations... things that'd "hold her back" in some ways. She'd eventually have to make a choice about who to marry, what career path to follow etc... she'd have to stick to one thing/person, which would limit her ability to gain praise in other, easier ways as just being the smart, charming young girl who has the world at her feet. She would no longer have easy access to praise via 100 different guys or potential employers.. She'd be forced to prove herself in that ONE domain. But she couldn't do it. So escaping to stars hollow (the 'middle of the road' bumpkin-ish town) was her way of avoiding all that, but also maintaining her position as the exceptional figure on top of the food chain and deserving of praise. Because in that town of wacky, small-minded eccentrics, Lorelai stands out as an enigma coming from the larger-than-life Hartford community. No one can challenge her position on top of the food chain in stars hollow, so she remains that exceptional figure... spoon-fed never-ending praise from the lower caliber townsfolk.. just like Peter Pan does from the make-believe creatures in neverland. This is why she runs away from any kind of commitment... stringing men along and demonising her parents' high standards for her. Which is fine up to a point, but as the series goes on, we can see her finally coming to the realisation that she's in a degenerative stasis when she finally ends up committing herself to Luke + the Dragonfly Inn, which brings the stasis to an end. However-and this is where the cautionary tale comes in- her selfish need for freedom and never-ending praise actually ends up seeping through to Rory, who devolves into a spoiled, selfish brat as the season goes on. Inheriting her mum's unhealthy views on commitment and responsibility, Rory fails to reach both her potentials as a career woman, as well in the romance domain as a girlfriend/partner in a healthy relationship. So Lorelai "breaking away from the traditions of motherhood" and running away from all commitments etc, actually ended up producing more suffering and squandered potentials in the long run.
One minute in and already there are problems with this video. Lorelai may be working at the same place, but it's not like she's in the same job. She runs it at the start of the show, and she owns an inn by the halfway point. She's also a homeowner and a parent, two major benchmarks of adulthood. The fact that her mother is judgmental and condescending to her (what you call "treating her like a teenager) is not a reflection of Lorelai's maturity, but of Emily's propensity for judgement and condescension. She has yet to be in a long-term relationship because of her commitment to her child. Prioritizing motherhood over her dating life is actually a sign of maturity. Aside from a reflection on her parenting, Rory's lack of growth is not a mark against Lorelai. The fact that Lorelai was able to grow and Rory largely wasn't is another credit to Lorelai. Lorelai's growth also coincided with Rory getting older and less dependent on her mother. It was having the space to work on herself that allowed Lorelai to grow, not having been in a dismal space to start with.
Akia Sembly - perfectly said. I’m super confused by the people who think that Emily is the one in the right all the time, that their problems are all Lorelai’s fault. Does Lorelai sometimes start it and sometimes make it worse- yes. But Emily could be super critical on things that don’t matter and for no reason. And this is coming from someone who loves Emily most of the time because she’s an interesting character, but if she were my mother, I’d resent her so much.
As a parental child myself, when I was a young girl I looked up to Rory and thought her relationship with Lorelai was great. Now I think it was great they were able to comunicate like that, but as I have accepted for my own life, constantly looking up after your parent is hard.
I love that Rory ended up "failing" at life in the revival. It's more true to life, even though we've grown to love the character, it's a cautionary tale. I am very much a Rory- I was a reader and overachiever in school, a nerd, the goody goody. People don't realize that this does not guarantee you success. You work hard at things, but you're not really taught how to fail, either. You're not really taught how to deal with the fact that you won't always be the best and the smartest. Although Rory worked hard she also had a lot of things going for her, like rich grandparents. Many people who are on scholarships could not have afforded to drop out of school just because someone thought you "didn't have it". Rory seemed like a good kid because she wanted to be a good kid. She actually enjoyed reading and school. She didn't seem rebellious because she was shy and her Mom was like a teen anyways. Strip all that away and you're left with a girl who never reacts well when she is told "no" (no you shouldn't have an affair, no you shouldn't be a journalist, etc) Rory's story would have been interesting if she was forced to go to a state college (not a failure in itself) and then try to join her grandparents world in adulthood or if she had decided to commit to becoming a full fledged DAR trophy wife (if you ask me, Rory got a taste of her grandparents world, and that's what she wants, despite what she says. She is more Emily than Lorelai. Graduate from a prestigious college, but no real career path. She really wants to be with Logan, travel, and be wined and dined). Rory got the ending that was logical, whether or not we think it was deserved.
What do you think she will do about her pregnancy tho? The show is known to never bring abortion on the table anyways ( which could have been done in 2016) , but I wonder what would happen, would she tell Logan? Will Logan dump the lady he married? They ended on some cliff hanger
Loved your video ! I can relate to Lorelai's late bloomer story. Didn't know what I wanted to do after high school, went to college, got into a grad school in Belgium. The hardest part was after graduating from grad school and not being able to find a job in my field and taking other jobs - cleaning bars, working at Subway. After getting a job that seemed much more up my alley but left me more stressed than I'd ever been I didn't know what to do with my life. I ended up taking a class provided by the Belgian unemployment agency to see where my strengths were. I ended up seeing my real strengths weren't in secretarial work, writing, organizing ( which were the type of jobs I'd been applying for) but rather that my strongest skills were interpersonal. I ended up starting a 3 semester program to become a licensed practical nurse specifically in geriatrics. Interesting development to the story is that I'm now in my 3rd semester and doing in internships in nursing homes during the Corona crisis.
As someone in his mid-20, no job, failed college, no relationship this hit hard for me. I hope I can learn from Lorelei and Rory and hopefully one day have all these thing in my life.
We can definitely relate to her! I discovered Gilmore Girls much later in 2016 & fell in love! Having my daughter at 16, and so many similar things in my life, I binge on GG now! It actually helped me through times & guided me on some choices too. It's always had a positive impact on my life! Gilmore Girls Forever!
Meanwhile I already thought Loreli was grown up. She single handedly moved out of her parents as a teenager with her daughter and managed to provide for her, to become a manager, a business owner, to own a house, to raise her daughter well, to manage to not have an emotionally distant relationship with her daughter despite her business, to send her daughter to an ivy league school (while she didn't pay for it, the fact is she raised her daughter to be disciplined in her studies and work ethic), etc. I just thought her "not grown up tendencies" were quirks that many 30-40 year olds have.
I don't think Lorelai is immature at all. She made a huge decision when she chose to leave the house of her parents and I think it was a very mature decision because she knew she could never be herself and she could never be the mother, her daughter deserves as long as she's living with her parents. And when you think about it, you have to admit that this is actually really brave. She left the nest and went out with no money, no job, no home but with a little baby in her arms. When you overthink the situation you could point out that she put Rory in Danger by doing that. But I think considering something like that would require a level of maturity, a 16/17 year old person can't really have even though she's a mother. But all in all I think she grew up really fast after Rory's Birth. Even though she stayed the "funny/childish behaving" Person she wasn't able to be while still living with her parents. But I don't think this makes her immature in any way. It's just a part of her personality that formed because of her childhood. By the way, I think her inability to be in a long term relationship is also because of her childhood. She wasn't able to choose anything when she was a child. Her mom made all decisions for her most likely without asking her about her opinions. This did not change when she became a teenager. Not even when she became a mother. There is this one scene in Season 3 (the episode Gigi was born in) where we see Christopher and Lorelai as teenagers. The scene takes place shortly after their parents found out about the pregnancy. Now the parents are discussing what to do with the situation and the teenagers just sit there outside on the stairs listening about what the grown ups are planning for them. Even things like abortion were discussed (by Christopher's Parents) and that's really a decision only the teenagers are able to make because it's their baby everyone is talking about. Long story kept short...no one cared about Lorelais opinions ever until the day she left the house. From that moment on she was finally able to choose for herself and I think she didn't want to lose this opportunity because of a boyfriend or even a husband. At one point she was able to leave that fear behind (when she wanted to marry Luke) but it took a while for her to do so. But I think, being a strong woman who makes her own decisions doesn't make her irresponsible or immature in any way.
I’m glad this mentions that Lorlai being close in age to Rory enables her to act more like a friend than a mother. I wish the fact that that’s not a good thing was discussed.
Linda Schreifels they’ll probably save that for a video about Rory specifically. I do think it’s a bad thing in the sense that Rory had to grow up fast and be Lorelei’s redemption in a way. Rory always had Lorelei’s mistake on her back and from a young age was told to go to Harvard and make up for Lorelei. Once Rory moved out and Lorelei started to mature, Rory acted out and started to immature.
honestly, an 18 minute long video on my favorite character of a tv show ever is literally everything I didn't know I needed. this is amazing! thank you!
People are praising lorelai for taking care of rory and raising her as a single parent but Isn't this the life she choose to be in? She left her parents house unnoticed, lived a life with her own will and as much as she took part to build rory's life, she did break it as well. She didn’t want rory to go Harvard so rory would be closer. She acted like younger one in mother-daughter relationship when rory should have been the one with child like attitude which she was but didn’t get the chance to act like one. No wonder "the forced upon adult behaviour" effected rory the same way lorelai was effected in making life decisions. Lorelai could have been a fun character but not a good parent. She absolutely never restricted rory from making any bad choices. Either she said 'no' or failed trying to motivate her. A good parents never let kids make the same mistake they did, and lorelai did that. Lorelai is the hero of the series and also the hidden villain.
exactly, if it wasn't for lorelei rory wouldn't have had her 'rise and fall'. it only happened because lorelei never gave her a chance to be a teenager.
Why y'all hatin on Lorelai like this? She's a fun person. It really says a lot about her that she owns her own Inn. Would an immature person be able to keep that up as well as she has?
hmm no? she's very responsible and a wonderful mother to Rory. and "stuck in her career"? c'mon, she worked her ass off in that Inn, she is very good at her work and she was even taking business classes, she owned her own house, car and basically provided for Rory, helped her friends whenever she could. ALL of this in the first season lol can she be emotionally immature sometimes? yes, but she was only 32 and if society thinks a 32 year old woman should be like a God or something that's on them
Having to be the adult on your relationship with your mother is one of the most hurtful things a child may suffer. I had to be the mom growing up, I took care of my sister, I had too many responsabilities, I was a 30 yo woman in the body of a child, I had no childhood. Then my mother passed when I was 17 and the whole dynamics changed. Now I am 30 and I'm struggling with depression and making bad decisions on a daily basis, I guess I get Rory. I've never watched this series btw.
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Please cover the Sassy Black girl or the Angry Black man trope, it's SO overused! 🖤👧🏽
Wait, was June Cleaver strangely progressive?
The Take please cover the Vampire craze and why it’s addicting!!! Keep up the good work 😊
You should analyze Community! All the characters, the show in general, and even the relationships. I think it'll be interesting to analyze Abed because he sort of analyzes the other characters and events in their lives being a film fanatic himself.
It took me forever to watch this show. I sort arrived when it was finished. The first time I watched it, like everybody else, I liked it. I fell in love with the witty banter, the mother/daughter relationship, the cultural insight, etc. But, as I re-watched it for the renewal, I realize that first, Lorelei's character's, pretty much, rubbed me the wrong way. And second, the show doesn't age well at all. I understand that Lorelei was late in the game of growing up. But, I also felt she was constantly telling us that she was an adult and, at the same time, acting like a teenager. Especially in the relationship with her parents. She had it pretty easy, I would say. I don't know about you, but I do not know a lot of adults who have access to money when they see fit. Whenever she would complain that she needed the money, her parents would come handy but she would still act with resentment after they would help her. Also, I thought that she acted like the world literally revolved around her. She acted with an air of entitlement, and sometimes badly toward friends (Sookie), but would find it ok since she was so adorable!!! I loved her mother in the renewal show for, finally, telling her what I wish I could have said to her myself if she existed. And lastly, yes, the show as not aged well towards women, towards people of colour, towards homosexuality, etc. If I had one example of this is the episode where Paris tells Rory she lost her virginity with Jamie, for Lorelei saying that she had the 'good kid'!!! I didn't get that at all, especially for a character like her, who wanted to show that she could succeed as a woman/mother and 'sole' provider of her daughter. That was, in my opinion, really shortsighted from the writers.
You are right, but I think having started out as a maid at 16 and working up to executive manager at a nice inn is something for a very young single mother. She works hard at her job and is very good at it, and also owns a house. I believe it's in the first season that we see her taking business classes as well as attending a conference to learn more. I agree that emotionally she is still a teenager, but even early on she had met some very adult benchmarks.
@laura marrero fabian Yes! That's what disappointed me so much about Rory's arc in the movie. I wanted to see some more of her mother and grandmother in her. Some missteps, sure, but in the end strong, smart, and independent.
@me agree. I think it would have worked if the time gap didn't happen. Rory at 22 floundering makes sense. Rory in her 30s being such an entitled hot mess just feels sad.
Me Yep. Came here to say this. The one way in which Lorelai was an adult was that she worked hard and had a kick-ass career.
Yes, starting your own successful business in your 30's is a major accomplishment. Just because it took a while from when she set the goal doesn't mean anything. Plenty of people never achieve their goals.
@@LDNisYourCorndogs Exactly! She floundered in her late teens and early 20s. I was fine with that, she was figuring life out. And it seemed like she was figuring it out by the end. But to be in her 30s and still so self-destructive and entitled is just sad.
Please do a video in Emily Gilmore. She's a complex character- she wants to be a loving Mom, but can tend to be manipulative at times. Yet, she has good intentions, respects her husband but isn't a mere trophy wife, and is ultimately more independent and outspoken than many of the cookie cutter wives in her area- even if she wants desperately to fit in. She is a product of her generation, but is very much the Lorelei of her contemporaries: she separates from Richard instead of just trying to save face, actually stands up for her daughter during and after her pregnancy, even though she found it embarrassing, and has a quick sense of humor. I also love the relationship she has with Richard. She really loves him, but their relationship is not perfect. She's annoying at times, but one of my favorite characters.
"Can tend to be manipulative at times" -- I would say it's pathological with her. Re-watch the first fiew episodes, she should be commited to an institution.
Emily is my favorite character through the original and the revival series!
So well spoken! I agree completely! Her storyline was always one of favourites!
Emily actually reminds me of my own mother. So very traditional on so many subjects and hard to talk to, for not accepting new trends and ideals. And, on the other side, a pioneer and feminist on her time, a woman with her own loud voice.
She's Trudy Campbell.
Also how does Emily compare to Rose Weissmann?
It was funny, when I was a kid I thought she was the coolest mom in the world, when I was late teens/early 20s I found her grating and immature, and now that I’m only a couple years younger than she was at the start of the show I’m back to loving her. The idea that you’re an old, buttoned up statue by the time you’re 30 feels so unrealistic - and I love that she’s just a normal, flawed person.
exactly!! I love her quirks!
@@Gabbsmusic651 this is why gilmore girls is my favourite show, everytime I watch it I'm in a different path in life and I interpreted characters in different ways... It just shows how good the characters development was all along the seasons
omg, same !!!!
Same!!!
Yeah, I’m the same age now as Lorelei was at the beginning of the story. Lorelei is cool! I don’t always agree with her parenting, but I still liked her
I actually think that Lorelai was a lot more mature than she seemed. Most of her "immaturity" was for comedy, but when things were actually serious, she took control and was there for her daughter to encourage her, give advice, and spend time with her, like a good, responsible parent should. She worked hard at the inn and grew to be the manager. She had the responsibility to take on and be a part of Stars Hallow events. She didn't date at all when Rory was growing up, and when she finally did, she treated them well and actually committed to the relationship more than they did. Although she didn't want a long-term relationship with Max, she was willing to give Christopher a chance, and actually married him until he proved himself to still be a trainwreck of a person. And then, with Luke, HE'S the one that doesn't want to get married and fully commit. She does grow throughout the series, as any character does, but I don't think she was immature or that she stopped developing at 16.
i completely agree!
YESSS
Yea, leaving Max at the alter was a just treatment of his character.... 😐🤦♂️
No, the connection between the two may have dwindled, as the reality of their hidden relationship dawned on them. But the way he swung the situation so that they could remain together was a good gesture. He bought the 1,000 daffodils, and generally was a good person.
She left him in the lurch, and ceased all communication with him henceforth.
She may have resembled a mature maternal figure in those respects; although to say she treated her partners with any respect (besides constant teasing and manipulation) is a lie.
She passed this ineptitude at fostering and maintaining a relationship down to Rory. Consistently moving on when things teeter over to being serious.
@@glynkeegan306 thank you for pointing out how she treated Max was anything but respectful. To leave a person at the altar without a phone call or explanation is the height of immaturity and disrespect.
thanks a lot, i go 100 percent with you
It's also important to note that, no matter what her situation was, Lorelai always stuck to her morals and supported the people she cared about. Even though she might be imature sometines, she always put Rory's needs first, she had a lot of relationships but she was always loyal to them, she was always present in Stars Hollow community and helped her friends when they needed. This gave her a "net" of people who helped her raise Rory and also grow as a person
Also, I don't think she dated at all when Rory was young. She was, in fact, a responsible and good parent. I don't think she should be too harshly judged for the few mistakes she made.
@@sonias9722 she did date but made sure to have kept Rory separate from her dating life
@@lividsunshine8968that was not Lorelai's best moment but, first, Rory was being super irresponsable and being manipulated by Logan and his friends. Second, Lorelai was not talking to her, but she was still concerned and cared about her. Also, Rory was older at that point and didn't need Lorelai to take Care of her that much
@@lividsunshine8968 Rory quit Yale only because she was feeling insecure by what Mitchum Hunzberger said! Lorelai tried to talk her out of that BAD decision. Rory wanted to make her own decisions, she made a huge mess and I think Lorelai was right to let her clean it up herself. She didn't try to control, micromanage or coddle her, like her parents did. She stated her opinion, initially offered her support to fix things, and then stood her ground when Rory refused her help. She was not being her parents, she was being Lorelai.
@@lividsunshine8968 Lorelai had a point when she said Rory's going to lose momentum if she takes time off Yale. It often happens that they can't get back on track, also, Rory had a very hard time catching up when she did get back to Yale - it would have been impossible to make up all that work if it was real life. It wasn't about what Lorelai wanted, it was about what was best for Rory. If grandparents hadn't taken Rory in for their completely selfish reasons (they wanted a new chance to have a 'daughter') Rory probably would have gotten to her senses sooner and wouldn't have gotten involved in all that D.A.R. crap.
Being a Yale student was who Rory was, everyone who knew her - Lorelai, Paris, Jess, even Logan - knew that.
Meanwhile, Rory got more and more immature as the series progressed
Especially in that revival! Oh my god!
Yes, it's almost like an "Hourglass Plot", in that Rory and Lorelai switch roles by the end of the show, and into the revival. At the end, Lorelai is finally settling down with Luke, and has her life (somewhat) together, while Rory struggles to find a proper journalism job, makes copious romantic mistakes, and winds up single and pregnant, just like Lorelai had. The irony is delicious! 😋
Yeah, I'm on season 5 and now I am watching the show ONLY for Jess, Paris and Lane. Other characters are mostly ok or annoying, but these three are actually great and I wish I could be friends with them
It makes complete sense to me. There is an expression. Raise your kids, and you will spoil your grandkids. Spoil your kids, and you will raise your grandkids. Lorelai, whatever virtues she had, spoiled Rory by being her friend and not her mom. Now it's time for her to raise her grandkid and be the grownup in the dynamic.
After raising her mother she had to go back and have her own adolescence. 🤷🏻♀️
Honestly, I like the idea of women not having to follow what standards society puts on them, but I was "raised" by a mom very similar to Lorelai and it was a rough experience. By the time I actually was an adult I felt like a t-shirt that had been handed down to three different siblings, turned into a cleaning rag that was used until it was filled with holes and then thrown out. In other words, deeply, deeply exhausted and overworked. Her and my mom have a lot of similarities-they both come from an upper class family with abusive/incredibly controlling parents, they're both rebellious towards their parents well past the point where it actually makes sense, flighty in relationships, emotionally immature and they both grew into adulthood very late. Lorelai is better I think, because she did stay at one job and worked her way up (which is no small feat, I don't care where you work) and she did stay in one town and made friends, both of which created a sense of stability for herself and Rory. But otherwise the similarities are so intense between them that I have trouble watching the show at all without becoming upset.
I think the thing I like the least about Lorelai is how she's always praising how mature and perfect Rory is. My mom did the same thing to me and it's such a burden. I mean, being an adult and being mature is difficult enough when you actually are an adult and have life skills and experience under your belt-imagine how hard it is to be a teenager and have people around you constantly acting like it's a given that you can handle everything perfectly. When you hear that, you try to meet those expectations because praise from your parents matters. Ultimately, those expectations give you no chance to mess up, because you're the adult and if you mess up then your parents lose *their* source of stability. It's not long before their assumption that you're the adult becomes the reason why they can act like a child. Through the show I so badly wanted Rory to mess up in a big way and not feel bad about it, not ask for forgiveness. Get some space and find out what she wants for her own life without letting her mom tack on all of her "she's going to do what *I* wanted to do" crap. Also, how is that actually different from what Emily did to her? When it comes to Rory I always felt like Lorelai was just the "gal pal" version of her own mother.
I do understand Rory's aimlessness in adulthood, because when you conquer maturity and adulthood (even if it's not a total conquering, but just well beyond where anyone else is) while you're still a child, what else do you have to do for the rest of your life? That's something that I struggle with every day. At 20 I felt like I had already raised a child, had navigated several toxic relationships of all different kinds, and then it was like "well damn, what am I supposed to do now?" I still don't know. I think as much as it can be an accomplishment for women to throw off the burdens that society places on them, it's also an accomplishment to acknowledge what your personal relationships need from you and to meet those as much as you can. I completely understand the interpretation, but I don't think that those old-time moms were being the most competent person in the room because society said they had to be perfect-I think they were the most competent person in the room because the other people in the room were children.
Daphne Clearwater wow thank you so much for this. ❤️
This gets it so on point. And I could really relate to your experiences. Holding the burden of maturity on your shoulders at that young an age is very difficult and problematic.
This was so thoughtful and thank you for telling your story
thank you for sharing your story and insights
I cried reading your comment, because this is exactly my experience. This video really upset me, because I have always wished for one of those mature, put-together mothers while battling with my immature, single and irresponsible mother. My grandmother is also very similar to Emily, but their relationship has deteriorated as my mother is 50 and never matured past 19 from what I can tell. She basically ran away from home around then. When you are always hailed for maturity and being hard-working, failing at things or relaxing in your studies becomes harder and harder. Whenever I fall down, my mom tumbles down right with me, landing on me and the support system that should be there to catch you is gone. I am only 20 and have to worry about supporting my mother, getting her to go to work and getting her to do the things I need for my studies. I don't think sugar coating immature mothers is a good idea. If you aren't ready for adulthood, you shouldn't be a parent.
I never felt like Lorelai was immature. I felt like she was funny, awkward, youthful and didn’t hide her flaws. But as a parent, she provided a stable life for her daughter. I didn’t feel like she made it up as she went along. She owned a home, she was in management at her job then became a business owner and she provided a stable life for Rory.
They both had to grow up way to soon (one for becoming a mother, one for having an immature parent), and they both suffer from it later in life. You don't really grow up faster, you function and you miss out on things. You have to learn these things later in life. There is no shortcut to life lessons.
lorelay was immature but she has always been a good mother. she provided everything for her even if her conditions were the worst (as when she asked for permission to live in the cottage's inn and worked like hell). her immaturity hasn't made rory grow up faster. she even grew up slower than the majority of teenagers of her age, staying focused on her studies while others where preocuppied with dating and drinking. at least that's what I think :)
It makes me sad that adults having fun or finding joy and whimsy in life is so frowned upon. It's okay to not have everything together all the time, and not reaching "societal milestones" like marriage, or having a corner office career by 30 that you're expected to reach by a certain age doesn't mean you're underdeveloped! Everyone is on a different journey.
Preach it, sis!
I fully agree. that being said, many people do dream about that but do not have the opportunities to do so. the thing i usually see is that there is this presentation of that you can be the responsible person or the fun person. why not both? also even if your the responsible person nowadays who makes sure to get a good education, take care of your family, take care of your health, pad your CV and network, there still can be unforeseen circumstances such as a pandemic that literally no one has control over.
It’s far more acceptable for those of us who grew up as Gen Y and Gen Z babies to be “big kids” as adults. Boomers and Gen X were expected to have it all figured out by 30. Now, 30s are the new twenties. Lorelei was problematic in some ways, but she also did work hard.
I agree. I feel sad that the people who out down Lorelai and Rory has no life and probably dont have any fun.
Please, now do a essay on Rory, why did she end up like she did and that does it mean🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thanks for the likes!
Would love to see this idea! good one!
YES PLEASE!!!
It’s because she was coddled by everybody and was super privileged.
Actually, you can look at Cracked's take on Gilmore Girls. They say that Year in the Life Rory and Lorelai are the cannon characters, but the show seasons 1-7 are how the characters were portrayed in Rory's book. Rory was the child of an overly permissive parent, who let her do whatever she wanted,
I never thought Lorelai was immature when I saw the series for the first time. She's cheerful and has childish manners, but she was highly responsable in her life, instead of the man-child we are used to see in the movies you are comparing her: she always took care of Rory, always had a job and lived alone independently from her parents' money (till the story starts). Her lack of commitment to the romantic partners was because she was focused on Rory, and managed herself with a child always alone. Her partners till Luke never did her any favour. And also, could start to figuring out herself at work when Rory was old enough to grow self-sufficient. So, I don't really think that she was irresponsable or immature at all. She actually had to force herself to grow up when she had her daughter to set an example.
Agree. Lorelai has the right characteristics of being youthful but she is responsible when it matters. I do think she is a little indulgent towards Rory, but this is actually a pattern I've seen in multiple single mothers.
Yeah i think she wanted to play it safe in her relationships and career. But when Rory becomes and aduşt she wouldn't have to worry about her. Most of her "immature" lines are for comedic aspect but inside I think she is mature enough. Her and Lane's mom are opposites and i think something in the middle or %60 to Lorelai could be the ideal mother.
This video is moronic
I disagree about her partners up until Luke doing nothing for her. What was wrong with Max? I don't think she should have married him since she obviously didn't love him enough, but he was good for her and Rory. And she dumped Jason for business stuff to do with her dad? That was just an excuse. Again, fine, she didn't love him but he was good with her. The only one who deserved the Lorelai selfish treatment was Christopher. They were just too much alike.
“Growing up is not giving up”. I love that because i thought being an adult was about putting dreams on the shelf and conforming. I became afraid of adulthood for it meant accepting a life of misery and boredom because it was ‘mature’. I’m glad you can be both happy and a adult.
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@@latroletteeeee extremely unnecessary and childish reply to a very good and thoughtful takeaway from the video I hope your day gets better tho
Personally, anyone in life is developing always. At 32, she owned a home and had raised Rory to 16 in a private school and a goid job. No one stops growing or they are dead.
Yeah, and what "benchmarks" is she really missing? So what if she works at the same place, she runs the place! I didnt agree with that part.
@@MusicIsMyAeroplane09 The same with the need for her to be married. Had the show been first created now I imagine Luke and Lorelai could just cohabit and the show would explore that instead.
Firegen1 Noe that I’m older Lorelai’s life doesn’t look too bad.
3:10 How can you say her career is stuck when she worked her way up to the topmost top of the hotel and is preparing for the next steps? Only bc it's the same hotel, that's kind of a hollow argument here.
Agreed! She's not having some random job, it's a career.
Yes in the end she became the owner of the inn. She was the manager of the one she worked at before.
For those who think that Lorelai is a spoiled child, the series is heavily focused on her growth and her foil in her far more mature daughter Rory (at least in the early seasons). This woman is FAR from perfect, but all the main characters are flawed to show humour and enhance drama. Also, while her parents did give her the best of everything economically, Emily (who is obviously amazing in her own right) was controlling and emotionally abusive, and Richard was largely an absent parent. Emotional abuse is less seen than physical abuse, but is still just as horrible.
I agree, and while Lorelai might be childish in some ways she isn't actually an irresponsible parent and she isn't really that immature in how she acts against Rory. I myself had young parents who were very immature and to me the difference is huge between Lorelai buying home sweets for her and her daughter to snack on on a weekday and a parent just refusing to even make a sandwich for their kids and have them living och sugared cereal 4 times a day....
A I’m so sorry your parents treated you like that. I totally agree that she’s not that irresponsible ether, like when Madeleine and Louise sneak out of the concert to party with older guys they don’t know (season one), Lorelai tracks them down angrily and tells them off, then speaks with their parents to make sure they understand how their daughters behaved.
@readilykatie "Emily (who is obviously amazing in her own right) was controlling and emotionally abusive" She is either amazing or was a controlling and emotionally abusive mother. You can't have it both. Pick one, Katie.
Marie Lastname You got me, Marie. Emily IS controlling and emotionally abusive. Which probably means that we should just shut her down without any problem, because emotional abuse is serious and can devastate the developmental children being raised in this type of atmosphere (speaking from personal experience). There is a part of me (a stupid part) that kind of revels in the power Emily displays while interacting with others, much like Paris. Also, much like Paris, Emily can be inconsiderate and mean. So if I have to pick one lane, I’d say Emily is mostly emotionally damaging to Lorelai, and whether she is for Lorelai’s best interests is for the individual to decide.
@@readilykatie8312 I don't see the parallels between Emily and Paris that you seem to see. Yes, there were very few things that Paris did that crossed a line but one I remember she did as a teen and the other I remember she had a good enough reason for, even if only from her perspective. Emily was an adult when she raised Lorelai and during the run of the show and while raising Lorelai she seems to have been very distant ("Other kids got hugs and kisses, I had to learn to keep at a distance" - Lorelai, paraphrased) on top of really controlling and invasive of people's privacy (we see that behaviour when Rory lives with her and Richard). "Inconsiderate and mean" and "controlling and abusive" aren't on the same level for me. I know that meanness and even inconsideration can be abusive, but they aren't in general. Abusive actions, though, are abusive by definition.
I am not sure what you mean with your last sentence. Are you saying that Emily could have been "abusive for Lorelai's best interest"? If yes, is what you mean that it is possible that Emily didn't know she was being abusive? And did abusive things by accident because she had her daughters best interest in mind?
I personally had a problem with the ending of the original show, with Lorelai being on good terms with her parents. Both of them had done on or two things each that I cannot describe differently than as them "crossing the line". And I don't mean in the "what you did is so bad that I need to actually forgive you and can't just say that it was bad but not too bad". For me, it needs a lot for something to be something that actually needs to be *forgiven* and that cannot simply be resolved by a simple "Oh, you're sorry? In this case we're fine". For me, if someone does something that needs to be forgiven, they have already crossed one line. The one it takes less to cross. What Richard and even more so Emily did in one to two instances each, were things that cross another line. A line towards into "unforgiveable territory". Given that neither Emily nor Richard ever said that they were sorry for things like their meddling as well as the abuse they inflicted on Lorelai as a child, there are even two reasons why I didn't like the ending of the original series: Firstly, as said, what they did was unforgiveable (in my eyes) and secondly, they didn't even ask for forgiveness *and as well as explain themselves* (and both would have been necessary in this case), yet were apparently still forgiven.
I liked two things especially well during the run of the original show: The first is the conversation Lorelai and Rory once had in which Lorelai pretty much told Rory that her (grand)parents weren't exactly good people. This happened after Rory herself found out that her grandparents behaved "badly" in a certain scenario. (I really don't know what it was.) Lorelai in this situation simply told her daugther the truth: Yes, the bad behaviour you saw from your parents is the kind of behaviour they display regularly, this is normal for them. She didn't bash her parents but she also didn't defend her parents in a dishonest way to protect the not especially positive picture her daughter had of her (grand)parents. I really don't remember Lorelai's exact words but she pretty much said that it is good that Rory starts seeing that bad side of her (grand)parents. The second is the scene in which Lorelai tells her mother that the two of them (Lorelai and Emily) "are through", or something like that. It happens when Lorelai finds out about her mother's sabotaging (or attempt at sabotaging) her relationship with Luke. I didn't just like those two things better than the "we're all on good terms with each other" finale because Lorelai acts more like I would have if I had been in her shoes but because I find it just way more realistic. Emily and Richard are so often just either forgiven by Lorelai or she just kind of rolls over to keep taking a metaphorical beating from her parents - I really can't say what it is she does. She acts weak in these situations, not mature. But I know that a lot of people see someone cutting off their parents, ending all contact with their parents or at least all contact that could lead to their parents further influencing their life as something inherently immature. Which it isn't. It's a way to take your life into your own hand and taking care of yourself when and because you need it. Not because you selfishly want it but because you need it to finally be free. Not free to do what you want but free to be happy and - for example - more capable of being a supportive person to other people in your life.
I don't think that Lorelai and Rory's relationship was healthy or envious as many people like to portray that it was. When everything in their lives were great they were the best of friends but as soon and something went wrong their relationship was strained they would completely shut down from one another and argue as if they're school girls rather that sit and talk about it like family members or close family members would do.
Agree. I also dont like the fact that they expected to constantly be bailed out by each other, Lorelai's parents or their friends. We all have flaws but they never face consequences for their actions and that's why they stay that way for most of their lives.
Rory stealing a yacht and dropping out of Yale because she can’t take criticism. Lorelai sleeping with Christopher because she can’t communicate with Luke (Although I hated the April subplot)
For most of my life, that is how my mother and I were. We'd get angry, tell and then not talk to each other for a while. In the show, they eventually always talk and apologize. In my household, we would talk eventually but no one ever apologized. So I don't think it's fair to assume that close families always talk things out right away. Some people need time and distance.
True, their relationship had many unhealthy aspects that were praised by fans. I read them both as co-dependent.
@@fallintodesire I mean sure but that's not good. It's important to say sorry and express regret to the other person. People need to learn how to talk to each other
Actually I think this is a very superficial way to look at Lorelei as a character. Yes, she has all the trappings of an immature adult, she eats mostly junk food and doesn't have the best relationship track record, but if you look under the surface of that, Lorelei is INCREDIBLY mature. She's worked at the same job for years, but she's a manager now when she started as a maid. Yeah her house is a mess, but she got the house BY HERSELF to take care of her kid. She doesn't have the money to do it necessarily (which is not her fault), but she gets her kid into one of the best private schools in the state. Lorelei rejects the stiff, unhappy adulthood of her parents completely, but she is NOT irresponsible. It is not a bad thing that she wears chocolate flavored lip gloss and thinks boys are dreamy, because the SECOND she needs to be there for Rory she is. First season to last.
Very true
Eloping from her own marriage without talking it out with her to-be husband is maturity? Dating your child's teacher is maturity? Okay then...
This is true
@@villanelle2.0 well yes not every character is going to be completely perfect. she definitely had many flaws but the overall air of her maturity is in her dedication to rory, not romantic relationships. when rory needed her, she was there.
Also she tried to get further in her career. She went to a business school so that she could start her own place in a responsible manner!
I always admired Lorelai for "having it all put together" at 32, I wanted to be like her minus the child. I'm 32 now and don't even have a job, I coudn't find one with my first career, I'm back at school to get the degree I want with yet again the help of my parents. I though a decade ago I'd have everything I wanted by 30: a super well paid job, two master degrees (and maybe a Ph.D.), I'd travel wherever I want and eat and buy whatever I want, but ain't like that. I'll have all that later... Wish me luck!
Good luck.
good luck. You'll make it.
Thanx for sharing your story. I'm in a similar boat! I'm 30 and not quite there yet in my career and also still in school. I'm enjoying the process anyway until I get to the finish line. Good to know someone has a similar situation. Blessings for both of us!
Good luck! ✨
I wish you success ☺️ !
What makes Lorelai's "Growing Up" so interesting is not that she is "immature" but rather her life is a critique of what maturity even is!
Is Emily mature? The woman who pays for maids to cook for her then can't even remember their names? Is the dad mature? The man who can barely have a meaningful emotional conversation with his family?
This 🖒
Emily literally has to buy her own family's attention
Maturity is subjective
Good point!!
Well said!
I actually found Lorelei pretty mature. She raised Rory on her own, starting with virtually nothing. She worked her way up from nothing. She even owns her Inn by the end. I think the bigger question is what defines maturity? Being married and living a buttoned up life?
She's definitely responsible but I agree with the video-- she lacks emotional maturity. She is a good mother who does what needs to be done for her daughter while staying true to her values, but she has trouble committing and pushes her own desires of what life should be onto rory.
I loved how Lorelai was the perfect subversion of the image of the "ideal, Adult woman". Although women are typically depicted as the voice of reason, Lorelai shows us that it's perfectly acceptable to not have everything sorted, and there's no one way to be an "adult", and that we're always learning and growing. ❤️
But comparing to male man child is so dumb in every conventionally movie following the male man child at the end of the movie his behaviour is shown not be good and his matures. Staying like a child is good for neither women or men
I loved her too. In my eyes she wasn't immature, just not willing to become old, boring and bored. I mean, she has a house, a job and eventually her own Inn. She doesn't do anything truly dangerous or reckless. I didn't watch the sequels, but as someone who was more of a Rory in my teens (also had "cool parents") I found her to be a role model in how to be an adult with a lightness to it.
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comparing a woman to a man hurts and bruises your ego so so badly and it shows
@@monabohamad2242 no my only point is in movies like idfk Rom cons with like Paul Rudd or Seth rogen playing good dudes they learn by the end to be more serious ?? So go fuck off u speckled creepy
Lorelai and Rory's role reversal relationship was the heart of the show. Since Lorelai was only a child herself when she had Rory, Rory kept her grounded, and acted as the rational, uptight adult of the two. I thought that after everything Lorelai did to ensure that Rory got a better life than she had, it was ironically sad to think that Rory ended up single and pregnant in the revival finale, just like Lorelai had. 🤰
Trina Q yeah but that was Amy’s plan all along.
@@thatgirlreacts5465 although she might have planned the pregnancy for an earlier time in Rory's life.
fred fred yeah right after graduating from college. It would’ve been much worse, can you imagine? 😬
There is a big difference between a pregnant 32 year old and pregnant 16 year old even as a single parent. I don’t know if it’s comparable
Nidhi Mathew no, it’s not an equal comparison but then again few things in life are. The point was that Amy wanted the story to go full circle. So now Rory is the single pregnant mom who hooked up with some cute rich guy who she has feelings for but who will prob never be fully present as a father. Meanwhile she grows closer and closer to the scruffy love of her life unbeknownst to her. Full circle.
I’m so excited you guys are doing Gilmore Girls characters now! I’m looking forward to Luke’s and Emily’s.
Yes, I really love their analyses, and I can't wait for more videos on this show! 💖😊
OMG! Emily is a character u kinda hate but love and also understand.
I want them to analyze Jess ❣
Zuzanna Mochniej that perfect boi
I don't think Lorelai was immature. She was more like a Manic Pixie Dream Girl. In reality, she may have acted childlike, but she worked hard, built a business, always instilled important lessons into her daughter, and kept a roof over their heads all by herself. That's pretty damn mature if you ask me.
she was immature in ways. You're just pointing out the areas in which she wants. she was both.
@@snoozyq9576 so are most adults
Right, and she was a responsible mother who never risked her child's safety. PLUS: She was always emotionally available. Rory was never neglected. Lorelai was just playful in a sweet and sexy way.
This is the first time I've ever so wholly disagreed with one of y'alls analysis. Lorelai has built a strong career managing a successful (if small) inn, owns a home, raises a daughter with impeccable education, a relaxed, mature way of looking at life, and a sense of responsibility. Lorelai's quirks and moments of immaturity make her more of a real person, not an "adult stuck in adolescence." From the very first season she's actively working toward her own career goals by taking classes and making plans. It's being thrown back into her borderline-abusive parent's home--for the sake of Rory--that makes her start to regress, but literally everyone does that. Associative regression is a psychological principle.
She is an adult woman with issues--not a teenager in an adult body. She's a commitophobe because she spent her early years being EXTREMELY tightly controlled. She's a lover of freedom. She's also a loyal friend, calm in several types of crisis (not all), responsible enough to manage her whole life, Rory's life, and an entire business by herself, unabashed about her sense of humor, clever, and charming.
She DOES grow up and face her issues as the seasons go on, but...I mean, every adult keeps growing up and changing as they age. Feels like calling her a child is just pushing someone for not letting their love of life and fun and honest self-expression fade as they age. Also, can we stop judging women by whether they've decided to be in a romantic relationship?
Sad Dragon - If I could give this 1,000 likes, I would. Exactly my problems with the video. Every 20-30 seconds, I just kept wondering what version of Gilmore Girls they watched, cause it wasn’t the same one I saw.
@@ziegfeldgirl99 You just didn't see enough. Watch the show again. Every single time there's a conflict between mother-daughter, they shut the other out. When Rory fell asleep with Dean in Ms Patty's place, Lorelei completely flipped out. It's why Rory never learned to communicate with her on serious matters.
perfect comment!
@@smurfyday you dont have confliclts with your parents. You dont shut then out from time to time. All parents ans theie kids fight and dont talk to each other. Thats life.
It feels like Rory is the mom and she became immature because she was finally able to be a kid
This is true. My one childhood friend had to look after her younger siblings all her childhood and she’s very immature today. Idk if it’s because of not being able to be a kid as a child or if she became her parents.
Yep, a lot of kids that are forced to "grow up fast" might be more prepared, for the real world... but are emotionally immature.
All children need a childhood.
I grew up really fast due to a mom like Lorelei, it is not a given that people like me will be emotionally immature. Rory's reverse aging has always bothered me because she knows when she is wrong, but she does it anyway as if she doesn't care anymore. I sympathize with this as my own motivation to work hard and be responsible has dwindled, but part of being mature is doing things you don't want to and I still don't understand how Rory changed so much. My motivation to succeed is to support my family, perhaps Rory's understanding that her mom is no longer depending on her allows her to act careless.
Growing up sheltered also made her that way! Eventually you have to break to grow!
Wow that’s so true what a great juxtaposition
I'm rewatching all of Gilmore Girls during lockdown in the UK. I will always revisit Gilmore Girls, it makes me feel so nostalgic and comfy and I wish I had even an ounce of Lorelai's confidence!
I've been doing the same thing in the US! It is so comforting.
comfy such a good wordier the feeling. I like to even keep it on in the background, its so cozy and down to earth
Same here!! Been rewatching. I love the way the show makes me feel. And I laugh during every Emily scene. She is hilarious, THE QUEEN
I love that the show is so long. By the time you finish it and want to rewatch it its been so long you actually forget some stuff and it, as you said, has that nostalgic and comfy feeling!
I have the completely series on DVD so yeah I put it on and let it run. These people are not perfect and not in a perfect world but they sure can help me to forget about my reality from time to time.
The paralel between cristopher and logan & luke and jess.. thank you for that. That makes so much sense, its like the whole story is full circle
I actually don't like it. For me this whole circle thing, when done right showing nuances, but in this case it's just lazy writing. It takes away the empowrement of Rory, a strong woman and makes it into a sad tale of no matter how much you try you will end up the same. And that destroys the point of the show for me. Logan would have been a great husband and father for Rorys baby, as he, while still flawed, grew up a lot. This would break the circle as Rory wouldn't be the same single mother as Lorelai. And that's actually the outcome I still hope for if there would be a season 9. Because it just depresses me if this show would end with a lost single mother Rory without a job and Logan confirming to his fathers whishes, marrying Odette whom he doesn't love. For me thid show is about how you can build your own happiness even though you or your upbringing was flawed.
@@hannahk9712 I agree. It is actually so sad and tragic that they decided to go for the 'daughter living out the sin of the mother' trope. It is realistic, but so disheartening. After everything Lorelai did to ensure Rory had a better life and future than her, only for Rory to repeat the same mistakes as her mother and for Rory to turn out just like Lorelai. If you think about it this way, and think about all the development and years in the show, it really is truly sad. It tells you that no matter how much you try as a mother or a daughter, you can never break free from the karmic trauma of your lineage, and are doomed to live out the course of your mother's life. Tragic
Also, if you look at the micro level, yes, Lorelai says childish things in a childish way. She's childish when she can be. But if you look at the macro level, she's very responsable when she HAS TO. I guess she had to do so much growing up when she got pregnant at 16 and left her parents' house that she uses every chance to be childish that she can get.
Yeah sometimes having to start from zero can make someone more mature than someone who had everything.
The thing is, her character is simply a juxtaposition to the character of "the conservative mom". She was free-spirited, so she didn't take herself or life too seriously, and that's what made her so relatable and adorable.
Let’s just admit how radical and original this show was in depicting three generations of strong, smart, stubborn, flawed, immature women, and giving each of them them character arcs which let them slowly and believably grow up (in-spite of their ages).
I never saw it as a problem that Lorelai did not have a partner. I think it is old fashioned to think that every woman or man has to find a partner in order to be happy and live a fulfilled life. To me it was so refreshing that an adult kept a bit of her juvenile self and not abolished it once in her case she got Rory or hit age 21. I grew up watching Gilmore Girls, I am 26 years old now and I still eat Nutella out of the jar or don't get out of my pajamas all day. Does this make me a failed adult? I hope not, because I enjoy doing this from time to time. So many adults have forgotten what it is like to be childish and it makes me sad. These childish episodes in my adult life make it much more enjoyable. Too often we think of others and how they might react than just doing what we want of what we feel like. Society pressure is a horrible thing and in my opinion makes everyone's life unnecessarily harder and less fun. Sorry for this long comment, but I just wanted to say how I feel about this.
I agree. I think the the fans of GG who are putting down Lorelai and Rory dont know how to have fun and think they are perfect then a non fiction character. I will be 51 in two months and i act childish and im not perfect at all i struggle just like everyone else.
I think this misses the mark... I never saw Lorelai as immature like this. As others have mentioned, she actually seemed incredibly mature from a very young age. Her personality type is just one that comes across as more child-like and energetic a lot of the time. I know many people like this. When the situation merits it, they're completely serious, and they're more than capable as individuals, but to more consistently "serious" types, it can be very easy to dismiss them.
I completely agree, her personality is playful and fun but she is still responsible regarding her career and being a mother. I don't think she was immature or a late bloomer
@@kaam960 well, I didn't say she was responsible in her relationships with men, she obviously had a lot of anxiety when it came to commitment. I agree that she was immature in that regard.
She relies way too much on Rory, when she breaks up with Max she forces her daughter to follow along in her crazy road trip thing, she is constantly distracting Rory from her studies, and eats junk food all day long / doesn't exercise, basically she never sets a good example for Rory. That can only have affected her daughter in a negative way.
@@kaam960 Exactly !
@@paolina1802 and @Aneesa shah I think there's definitely still things that Lorelai had to work through as an adult - that's the case with pretty much all people! We all have our issues throughout life that we have to keep working on. I don't, however, feel like it tipped into "Oh, she was hopelessly immature and childish to the core" as seems to be alleged here. Does each character have their weak points and moments? Yes. Is that different from simply being immature and underdeveloped? Also yes. I do know, though, that this personality type is often misperceived and written off as simply "immature," when in reality it's more often than not misperception. That's the beauty of a well-crafted show, though - when characters are fleshed out/complex enough that there can be multiple takes on who they are and what they're like : ) (and @Li Ta so glad you felt the same too!)
my mom had me when she was 17 and we have this exact same dynamic. the only big differences is that she's had the same partner (my stepdad) since i was a kid and had 3 more girls and that we don't have the financial security the gilmore girls have. it was still pretty cool to see our dynamic so accurately portrayed in a show
Can you do the 'fat girl' trope, this is the 151st time I have asked, because I know you can do this trope so well without it coming of the wrong way.
I'm gonna like and comment on this for your specific count of the amount of times you've asked 😁
Omg yes
yessss
Omggg yes!
And while she's at it , they can also do a character analysis of Samantha
I think that Rory got more immature with time because somehow she skipped adolescence. I mean, she didn't finish exploring it and experimenting that phase. I guess, that's because she grew up seeing how immature her mom was, so she felt like they needed more balance in their relationship. So, she became the responsible one. Once, she finally reaches adulthood she is lost and worn-out. She starts having doubts, has she been making decisions based on what she wants or in order to please others? What does Rory want in life? What about all those things she didn't get to experience, is it late to start now? The more focused and determined Rory we saw on the first seasons was a kid trying (or pretending) really hard to be a mature adult. Just like Lorelai, Rory show us that sooner or later in other to become mature we first have to go through a period of uncertainty, recklessness and mistakes.
I agree wholeheartedly with this comment.
I really agree! This is why adolescence is important. I have a friend like this, growing up she was always put together and mature to balance the immaturity of her siblings, but when she went to college she lost her focus, acted immature and realized she didn't have her life figured out at all... it's so interesting to see why being a teenager is so important
Calling Lorelai a "woman-child" completely misses the point of her character. Her immature habits (like the junk food) are shallow characteristics played for comedy. What about her moral fortitude and strong sense of responsibility throughout the show? Someone who has a steady job (where she worked her way up to be the manager), owns a home, owns a car, and successfully raises a child is NOT a woman-child like the characters from Girls. The only area where she "fails" is in relationships because she doesn't date while Rory is young. But that's not how we measure growing up for women, I hope.
Her career isn't static, she started as a maid and worked her way up to managing the whole inn. Her dream of owning an inn was not a pipe dream, in s4, she and Sookie bought the Dragonfly Inn and, after a difficult period that they worked very hard to get through, it became a huge success.
Woah woah woah woah. Hold up. Lorelai wasn't simply "working at the same place since she was a teen." That is not completely true. She started out in housekeeping and sleeping in the makeshift shed as a runaway and then worked her way up to RUN THE PLACE (which was a very popular tourist destination!) Don't diminish her hard work like that. She also finished school and bought a house all by the beginning of the series. Lorelai isn't perfect, but y'all really missed the mark at 1:03.
I'm shocked you guys didn't add the bit of Emily learning to be her own person after the death of Richard. It seemed to also go along with the theme of growing up and being yourself. It just seemed like a no brainer, or am I very wrong?
Emily is also a Gilmore Girl!
I think (and hope!) Emily Gilmore gets her own video that discusses her character arc. She deserves one. 😍
Guys, read the title. The video is about Lorelai. Maybe they make another one just for Emily, which would be great btw.
@@carolvsworld1514 I know, but they compared Rory to Lorelai in the maturity and knowing who you are
oh my gosh Emily is my favorite character ever!!
I'm so glad that this video brought up what I've always suspected: Rory has always been under huge pressure not to repeat her mother's mistake which is why she rebells and act out in later seasons. It's like she and Loreli really developed that normal mother-daughter relationship then. I also don't get why some people are disappointed that her journalist career fails in the revival. As being a good student and graduate from Yale guarantees a smooth sailing success.
My disappointment with Rory in the revival stems from her lack of effort work-wise. She goes to an interview and isn't prepared and seems to just be waffling since she got that one article published. Journalism is a dying field - it's understandable that she would be struggling - but I wanted to at least see her trying and she seemed to not be taking anything seriously. I don't need her to still be hyper-focused but I want her to be hard working.
THANK YOU !!!
My disappointment with Rory was how horrible she treated people, especially the men in her life.
@@taryntimms3787 so the men in her life never treated her badly at all?since you make them seem like some sort of victims or something
@@monabohamad2242 lmao no one said that
I'm a simple person, I see Gilmore Girls, I click..
Somehow the first part of the video portrays Lorelai as a cautionary tale, yet she is a great example of how a girl showed character and made a life-altering decision and took responsibility for her actions. She is mature enough to stand by her decision of raising Rory alone, without financial help of her parents and she never once doubted it or blamed her parents for not 'coming to get her' afterwards.
And while the eating habits are abysmal, clearly you cannot keep a figure with that diet, other character traits of a 'woman-child' are charming and why eventually men fall for her! She's not perfect, but spontaneous and dazzling and impossible, and yes, her relationship with her parents is far from perfect, but she is a great example of a one-of-a-kind woman.
Fun fact Amy Sherman paladino (I really hope that's how you spell her name) wanted from the beginning for the ending of the show to be Rory telling her mom she's pregnant. Unfortunately she was kicked out of the writing room for the last season, so she could only do the ending she wanted in that year in the life series.
That would of been an amazing ending... In stead of the rushed ending of the original🙄
I think the irony would’ve hit so much more perfectly if it happened while Rory was younger. Everyone gets their stuff in a bunch about ending on that note but I feel like it’s kind of the point to not see beyond those words. Lorelei doing everything right so that Rory doesn’t end up like her, making half her moves with her parents parenting style in mind and doing the opposite, just for things to end up the same?
her being kicked out was the nail in the shows coffin. the last season is zombie like and the revival was just wrong...too mich time has passed
Amy sherman is a rubbish writer and AYITL proved that
Hmmm, I'm not vibing with the Lorelai in arrested development interpretation. From Emily and Richard's perspective maybe - but when she's around them she *has* to be on the defensive, in the early seasons especially she was /always/ correct about them being up to something with any "gift" or "help" having strings attached, which they would then guilt trip her over.
She worked her way up from a maid to running the inn without any experience, she's active in her community, she put herself through Business school, with any events or emergencies she is in the drivers seat of getting things sorted (like the fire at the inn).
She has stuff to work on absolutely, but it's never a problem to be solved that she's childish, and she has absolutely grown and changed between 16 and the start of the show, p harsh to say she's stuck there!
What creates maturity? How does one, "grow up?" Each situation is different.
At the end of the day, it's all about life...How one lives
A committed relationship isn't a sign of maturity or success. Not everyone wants to get married, and many immature young people get married.
I started watching Gilmore Girls when I was about 10. We would rent them through Netflix when they sent the DVDS in the mail (before streaming). It is such a nostalgic show for me and I love the safe, cozy, positive feel the show gives me 💕
A couple o years ago i rewatched gilmore girls and noticed how Lorelei was an strong woman to pass to all difficulties in life but not giving up and she's always tried to do the right thing. In other hand, Rory was turned to be someone who cares more for status. I always liked Lorelai more and now i realised why.
I can’t believe it’s happened but I think y’all missed the mark with this take lol. This whole take is based on the idea that you’re not an adult unless you’re married, own a business and settled down. Lorelei is one of the most responsible characters on the show. She raised a baby/kid/teenager, while working full time, going to night school and still managing to find time to have some kind of dating life. She’s 32 with a great paying job, owns her home and has a group of friends who love her and her daughter. So she dumped a few dudes... that called dating. Being married at 32 doesn’t make you an adult. So she didn’t get to own her business until she was in her mid to late 30’s... so what? Most people never accomplish that (or desire to). That doesn’t define adulthood either.
This entire take feels like it’s from the prospective of Lorelei’s parents lol. Having a bubbly, brighten and, optimistic personality isn’t irresponsible. Dating, at any age, isn’t irresponsible. Working for someone else (or having a job) isn’t irresponsible.
In my book if you got a job, a house and your teenage kid isn’t reenacting scenes from Skins or Euphoria, that’s a win lol.
I object to calling Lorelai irresponsible. She's just childish.
She can be pretty irresponsible. She blows through money, and is always spending money on a whim.
@@RedCaio Only time that's kinda a big deal in the show is when their house has termits-- but it's that episode she makes a good point in. Rory is very spoiled and has everything she could want and more and all because of Lorelai who provides that for her. Don't underestimate her. She definitely had to budget and bust her arse to get her house and pay bills as a single teen mum.
Imposing the responsibilities of your childishness onto your child is irresponsible. It's not about their budget or termites, it's Lorelai's emotional immaturity that affects Rory
I think she had moments of irresponsibility. Like when she dated Rory's teacher and left him at the alter...LOL!!! And then met him afew years later and tried to date him again. LOL!
I agree. Just watched it again. I don´t think Lorelai is irresponsible, but I wouldn´t call her childish either. To me she is childlike.
Lorelai didn't have the same job as she had as a teenager. She ran the Independence Inn when the show started after climbing the latter starting as a maid as a teenager. As she herself put it in a conversation with her mother: "I run the inn, it doesn't get higher up" (paraphrased).
Thank the lord you guys are finally covering more Gilmore Girls ❤️
I second that! It's one of my favourite shows, and I hope that they make a Sookie, Emily or Lane video! 📹💜
I love love love Gilmore girls
I concur, even though I've seen each episode roughly three times over, it never gets old, and always gives me the fluffy feels! 😻💛
I've rewatched it at least 5 times and I currently restarted it!!
oh my gosh yes! more gilmore girls content please, I love this show so much (I still watch it almost daily) and rarely see any analysis about it anymore even though I think about it constantly.
I would love to see The Take do a video on the show Roseanne (the original.) I’d love to see analysis on how the show was such a departure from family sitcoms up until then in so many ways. Like the socioeconomic factors, what parenting looks in their household, the importance of Aunt Jackie, even the fact that the parents weren’t the typical trim, fit parents people were used to seeing on TV.
YES GILMORE GIRLS CONTENT!!!! Pls do the parallelisms between the relationships of Emily and Richard + Paris and Doyle!!!! I love this
i just found reruns of gilmore girls on a random channel during this quarantine. i appreciate the timing of this video!
I'm not entirely sure I agree with the depiction of Lorelai as having arrested development, particularly as she built a successful life for herself. Its difficult to compare her to the all-knowing housewife type mothers depicted earlier and I really dont think those types of mothers are particularly accurate at depicting real-life humans. I feel like they were a construct of what society at the time imagined a woman should be and women were pressured to follow this image. Generally I feel like Lorelai is more relatable to any woman today. You can be successful and still not feel like you have everything figured out. Whats to say that those particular milestones set by older generations define a mature woman? I feel like generally this video defines endearing and silly character traits as immaturity and arrested development when I don't necessarily feel that's fair or accurate of a woman who after falling pregnant at 16, abandons her parents wealth, starts a life in a new town, raises a very mature and intelligent child, owns her own house and is a manager of an inn. And also even Emily, who I imagine is the "mature woman" in this show, also had quite a teenager-esque tantrum when she thought Richard had locked her in the basement... Society today allows women to be themselves and figure their way out rather than setting standards and goals they must achieve whether they want them or not, and Gilmore Girls represents that change.
I also never thought about Lorelai as having arrested development, but as being fiercely independent and okay with making mistakes and feeling her way through life, which is very wise in its own way. She was a friend to Rory, yes, but I remember there were many times she was the mother Rory needed her to be. This video makes it look like Rory was always a perfect model of maturity and sort of "raised" Lorelei, but that's not how I remember the show.
Also I wasn't a big fan of the last part when they pretty much said that having an " adult" life is : marriage house career. Although a career is the only thing necessary, you don't need to own a house or be married to be happy , some people simply don't believe in the culture of marriage , they can live for 5 years , 10 or a lifetime with a partner and be comitted but not have any paper that joins them.
I love Lorelai. She was a teen when she give birth, and for me, accomplish a lot. Like you say she is the executive manager now, she didn't give up her job, she provided for her daughter in a safe environment, she owns a house. No mother is perfect, but she's loving to Rory and a good mother. I admire her, she accomplish a lot and she matured at her own time.
People complain about now Rory being immature but at least now shw looks like a real person, that makes mistakes and not that image of perfection that no one can achive.
Yes, her parents were emotionally manipulative, and being forced to live a life that isn't yours is awful. Relationships with parents can be very complicated. Yes, they gave her everything from a financial point of view, but they didn't see the real her. My beef with Lorelai lies in the way she treated Max, Luke and everyone else except Rory. So entitled, self centered, spoiled. Everything had to be about her. Yes, she was very cool and witty, but so selfish.
llama prana I think to set an example just take her and Sookie. I know that Lorelai is the main character but every time she and Sookie are together they always talk about Lorelai and her life.
llama prana SO TRUE
Lil mess I think that just makes Lorelai look like a despicable friend.
That Girl Reacts yh...sometimes i thought she is the worst person to be friends with
@@kaam960 Also, how she treats Chris. I mean he is another load to begin with and definetly not flawless, but she keeps him on the hook for years, using his love when her other relationships break down but always just toying with his feelings, to the point of marriage. She breaks him over and over again until she manages to let go.
Gilmore Girls has been a major source of comfort for me as I grew up in a similar family situation. Emily Gilmore is the classic textbook narcissistic mother. Overly controlling, gaslighting and manipulative which only shaped Lorelies childlike personality and made it take longer to mature. Women who grow up in this kind of family environment have difficulty in all the areas mentioned in this video. It has been validating for many of us that grew up this way.
Mani Fest Emily reminds me of my mother in law :(
As immature as Lorelai might seem she was also almost the only person challenging and questioning Rory's stupid and immature decisions. She was certainly childish but also wise to some extent. I don't think Rory's immaturity later in life was because she had to be "the parent" (she was given a home, love and an education by her mother who has always had a job) but because she was praised so much by her grandparents and the whole town. Lorelai was the only one challenging her and therefore helping her grow up. I kind of want a season 9 to give Rory the character arch of Lorelai's coming of age.
my mom had me at 22 but we’re still best friends. she’s not as childish as lorelai but she’s pretty chill about a lot of things. her parents weren’t rich but it’s sort of the same dynamic. it’s kind of crazy to think about how alike they were.
What a lovely video! Could you also make one on Rory and her character’s slow “downfall” throughout the original AND the revival seasons?🙏🏻
Lorelai Gilmore is also an example of a trope that I've noticed: Strong, independent woman who has no idea how to cook. Carrie Bradshaw and Rachel from Friends are also examples of this trope. I think this specific trope must be related to cultural pushback against the traditional housewife phenomenon that you mentioned at the beginning of this video.
Hillary M I agree, but not about Rachel. Her initial storyline was that she was a spoiled rich girl who had everything done for her. Her dad paid for everything, she didn’t know how to do laundry. I feel like her not knowing how to cook is just a part of that. She had no idea how to take care of herself at the start of the show. But I definitely agree on everything else.
My favorite us the protagonist and antagonist from She Devil because it's so over the top making fun of that trope. It makes cooking and laundry look like rocking science to the characters. "In your new romance draft, you dedicated a whole chapter to laundry."
@@wandetta4467 I want them to do a video about She-Devil! I just watched it twice this week for the first time and I love how it deconstructs the Vile Mistress- Cheating Husband- Frumpy Wife dynamic. Both women outgrow sexist, cheating, gaslighting Bob and take control of their lives. He's the problem, not them! @thisisthetake @thetake
And they always come from very privileged backgrounds lol
What I like about both Lorelai and Rory's characterizations is that they aren't too one-dimensional. Lorelai has a youthful liveliness while Rory is more reserved. The series could have easily made Lorelai into a washed-out mess and Rory a super uptight mini-adult. But it's not that simple in the series. Lorelai is youthful in some ways, but she can be emotionally intelligent and has all the basic maternal instincts when it comes to Rory. She's still responsible and does a good job raising Rory. Rory is smart, but obviously still naive and figuring things out throughout the series. She is a lot less emotionally intelligent than Lorelai and is very bad at reading not only others, but herself. It was so much fun watching them both develop in their own ways throughout the series.
Agreed
God I love this show so much.
I also liked the other adult, Luke, who was the one super responsible, organized, tidy, correct, business owner, etc but was also immature in so many aspects, especially with human relashionships. Like, to show you immaturity has nothing to do with those things, or the fact that you like hello kitty and gummy bears
This show has a heart warming spot in my heart, specially because of the realistic struggles that we see. Younger audiences can relate to the way that Lorelai struggles to emotionally mature and not feel pressured from the high expectations of her parents and society. But I feel like we can also relate to the way that Rory was so determined and how mission oriented she was. In one way, she highlights the parts of ourselves that we usually try to show to others, the determined and mentally stable one. But we also see how raw she became after she realized that the things that she wished the most didn’t give her the value and worthiness that she was looking for, I feel like she needed to feel successful to be worthy, which is normal for a teenager but she learned how not to portray that in a way that we all knew. I genuinely like how much she changed, I know that some people really miss her introverted self, but I feel like she was just simply growing up and finding herself outside her comfort zone.
I find it interesting that in this video the comment section has a lot of analysis’s and are very passionate in comparison to som either videos. It just goes to show how strong the Gilmore Girls fan base is.
I really dont think Lorelei was 'immature'. I saw her character as very grown up, just tired of social norms. She could be pretty darn adult like when it counted.
I dont understand how anyone can say she stopped growing at 16. she took responsibility for her baby, forged a life for herself, worked
hard- why would anyone care that you are in the same place both as a job and residence, today we view that as being stagnant and having no ambition, but she was doing what she loved, adn cultivating a community..! That takes more commitment then just moving on every few years..! She makes mistakes like everyone does, but ultimately treated her partners well and created a good life for herself and her daughter. She may be a little judgemental and other things that are problematic with Amy Sherman Palladino shows, but.. We all have levels of immaturity, and tbh early 30's still isnt that old, she's put a lot aside to be the kind of mother she wanted to be for Rory- so it makes sense that she's then developing a lot when she starts to date again and put her dreams mroe in the forefront when rory gets older. So she has a sense of humour, and does thinks a little uncouth sometimes, manners doesnt equate to maturity.
I wouldn't call lorelai immature but child at heart!!
I feel like Rory getting pregnant at 32 is much different than getting pregnant at 16 and running away from home with nothing like Lorelei did. Yes she is a single mom who would have struggles. However she does have a career and more support.
Omg I'm so glad I'm not the only one who notice that. Rory has more support and a career, I don't know why her mother gets so shocked when she finds out she pregnant. I mean it's better late then never imo
This video is beautiful. It gave me a new appreciation for one of my favorite shows from my formative years
This video is insulting
please please make a video about the regression and entitlement of rory gilmore
"the regression and entitlement of rory gilmore" now, thats a video title
I understand people's criticisms of Rory, but as someone who was kind of a Rory in high school, I kind of sympathize (though I wouldn't go around sleeping with married people.) Rory, in addition to growing up with a lot of privilege, grew up with a lot of pressure to live up to people's high expectations of her. Even though she was naturally studious, I'm pretty sure Rory felt the pressure from both her mom and grandparents to essentially "make up" for her mom's failures by being super successful. In addition to her family, the entire town of Stars Hollow also seemed to put her on a pedestal. When you peak in high school, the only way for you to go is down. Her breakdowns in college and later in her career make a lot of sense.
I speak from personal experience that having a mom like this is not as fun as it is in the show :)
i love how her character shows that your life isn't stagnant by the time you're 30 and you don't have to fit into that "adult" cookie cutter form. i get a lot of anxiety from that because it feels like you have to give up yourself for your future family.
I love your videos and I also love Gilmore Girls, can't wait for your new updates on it. I guess it was a very accurate description of Lorelai and although I love her, I remember being pissed of in the moments that she felt it was convenient to act like a mother towards to Rory. It gives me the impression that they're close to each other because they are alike, but when Rory does something she doesn't approve, she plays the mom card.
i love how lorelai acts, it’s funny how rory and lorelai switch roles a lot. rory acts like the mother and lorelai acts like the child.
i think lorelei is a commentary on our societies expectations of women. Like what is this expectation that women are fountains of strength and wisdom. it sucks.
It may suck but I think there are worse things that can be expected of women then fountains of strength and wisdom.
Yes, the 'magic mother' trope, you don't get emotional progression or dramatic tension, you're only allowed to stand on the sidelines and say 'go faster' platitudes to the **real** star of the show, the young unmarried daughter. That is too much pressure on a person, and you could argue it contributes to postnatal depression etc.
Traditionally, women have always married and had children very young anyway, they have always, surely, had their immature moments? Presumably in the same way that fathers have traditionally been seen as distant, but then they were also in general older and expected to be out working 6 days a week, so not so much distant as literally absent and physically exhausted.
But then, when your mother says/ does something genuinely immature or cruel, you do feel it more viscerally, it is arguably more damaging.
In her own way and with all her mistakes and tumbles she still has so much strength and wisdom though!
@@CheerUp2 yes, you can see her relaxed teasing is trying to teach type A Rory to calm down a smidge.
I've always thought that Stars hollow was the female version of Peter Pan's Neverland... the safe fantasy world, where Lorelai hides away from the 'real world' and all the responsibilities that come along with it. IMO, just like Peter Pan was a cautionary tale for men, I think lorelai (and by extension Rory) is a cautionary tale for women who confuse a lack of responsibility/commitment with happiness and success. When you think about it, Lorelai (just like Peter Pan) is portrayed as an exceptional figure who had lots of opportunities and potentials for greatness coming her way. She was smart, charming, beautiful, confident and had a very supportive family with the financial means to back her 100%. And in a way, that potential is how she gained praise as a young girl... because she had more potential than most girls, so she automatically stood out as special. But of course, in order to make that praise sustainable for the long-term, she'd have to transform her potential into something more like an expertise, which brings about lot of pressure in the form of commitments, responsibilities and expectations... things that'd "hold her back" in some ways. She'd eventually have to make a choice about who to marry, what career path to follow etc... she'd have to stick to one thing/person, which would limit her ability to gain praise in other, easier ways as just being the smart, charming young girl who has the world at her feet. She would no longer have easy access to praise via 100 different guys or potential employers.. She'd be forced to prove herself in that ONE domain. But she couldn't do it. So escaping to stars hollow (the 'middle of the road' bumpkin-ish town) was her way of avoiding all that, but also maintaining her position as the exceptional figure on top of the food chain and deserving of praise. Because in that town of wacky, small-minded eccentrics, Lorelai stands out as an enigma coming from the larger-than-life Hartford community. No one can challenge her position on top of the food chain in stars hollow, so she remains that exceptional figure... spoon-fed never-ending praise from the lower caliber townsfolk.. just like Peter Pan does from the make-believe creatures in neverland. This is why she runs away from any kind of commitment... stringing men along and demonising her parents' high standards for her. Which is fine up to a point, but as the series goes on, we can see her finally coming to the realisation that she's in a degenerative stasis when she finally ends up committing herself to Luke + the Dragonfly Inn, which brings the stasis to an end. However-and this is where the cautionary tale comes in- her selfish need for freedom and never-ending praise actually ends up seeping through to Rory, who devolves into a spoiled, selfish brat as the season goes on. Inheriting her mum's unhealthy views on commitment and responsibility, Rory fails to reach both her potentials as a career woman, as well in the romance domain as a girlfriend/partner in a healthy relationship. So Lorelai "breaking away from the traditions of motherhood" and running away from all commitments etc, actually ended up producing more suffering and squandered potentials in the long run.
Wow, that was a great way to look at it.
This made me actually cry. Lorelai has always been the character I relate to the most
One minute in and already there are problems with this video. Lorelai may be working at the same place, but it's not like she's in the same job. She runs it at the start of the show, and she owns an inn by the halfway point. She's also a homeowner and a parent, two major benchmarks of adulthood. The fact that her mother is judgmental and condescending to her (what you call "treating her like a teenager) is not a reflection of Lorelai's maturity, but of Emily's propensity for judgement and condescension.
She has yet to be in a long-term relationship because of her commitment to her child. Prioritizing motherhood over her dating life is actually a sign of maturity.
Aside from a reflection on her parenting, Rory's lack of growth is not a mark against Lorelai. The fact that Lorelai was able to grow and Rory largely wasn't is another credit to Lorelai. Lorelai's growth also coincided with Rory getting older and less dependent on her mother. It was having the space to work on herself that allowed Lorelai to grow, not having been in a dismal space to start with.
Akia Sembly - perfectly said. I’m super confused by the people who think that Emily is the one in the right all the time, that their problems are all Lorelai’s fault. Does Lorelai sometimes start it and sometimes make it worse- yes. But Emily could be super critical on things that don’t matter and for no reason. And this is coming from someone who loves Emily most of the time because she’s an interesting character, but if she were my mother, I’d resent her so much.
As a parental child myself, when I was a young girl I looked up to Rory and thought her relationship with Lorelai was great. Now I think it was great they were able to comunicate like that, but as I have accepted for my own life, constantly looking up after your parent is hard.
I love that Rory ended up "failing" at life in the revival. It's more true to life, even though we've grown to love the character, it's a cautionary tale. I am very much a Rory- I was a reader and overachiever in school, a nerd, the goody goody. People don't realize that this does not guarantee you success. You work hard at things, but you're not really taught how to fail, either. You're not really taught how to deal with the fact that you won't always be the best and the smartest. Although Rory worked hard she also had a lot of things going for her, like rich grandparents. Many people who are on scholarships could not have afforded to drop out of school just because someone thought you "didn't have it". Rory seemed like a good kid because she wanted to be a good kid. She actually enjoyed reading and school. She didn't seem rebellious because she was shy and her Mom was like a teen anyways. Strip all that away and you're left with a girl who never reacts well when she is told "no" (no you shouldn't have an affair, no you shouldn't be a journalist, etc) Rory's story would have been interesting if she was forced to go to a state college (not a failure in itself) and then try to join her grandparents world in adulthood or if she had decided to commit to becoming a full fledged DAR trophy wife (if you ask me, Rory got a taste of her grandparents world, and that's what she wants, despite what she says. She is more Emily than Lorelai. Graduate from a prestigious college, but no real career path. She really wants to be with Logan, travel, and be wined and dined). Rory got the ending that was logical, whether or not we think it was deserved.
What do you think she will do about her pregnancy tho? The show is known to never bring abortion on the table anyways ( which could have been done in 2016) , but I wonder what would happen, would she tell Logan? Will Logan dump the lady he married? They ended on some cliff hanger
Loved your video ! I can relate to Lorelai's late bloomer story. Didn't know what I wanted to do after high school, went to college, got into a grad school in Belgium. The hardest part was after graduating from grad school and not being able to find a job in my field and taking other jobs - cleaning bars, working at Subway. After getting a job that seemed much more up my alley but left me more stressed than I'd ever been I didn't know what to do with my life. I ended up taking a class provided by the Belgian unemployment agency to see where my strengths were. I ended up seeing my real strengths weren't in secretarial work, writing, organizing ( which were the type of jobs I'd been applying for) but rather that my strongest skills were interpersonal. I ended up starting a 3 semester program to become a licensed practical nurse specifically in geriatrics. Interesting development to the story is that I'm now in my 3rd semester and doing in internships in nursing homes during the Corona crisis.
As someone in his mid-20, no job, failed college, no relationship this hit hard for me. I hope I can learn from Lorelei and Rory and hopefully one day have all these thing in my life.
We can definitely relate to her! I discovered Gilmore Girls much later in 2016 & fell in love! Having my daughter at 16, and so many similar things in my life, I binge on GG now! It actually helped me through times & guided me on some choices too. It's always had a positive impact on my life! Gilmore Girls Forever!
Meanwhile I already thought Loreli was grown up. She single handedly moved out of her parents as a teenager with her daughter and managed to provide for her, to become a manager, a business owner, to own a house, to raise her daughter well, to manage to not have an emotionally distant relationship with her daughter despite her business, to send her daughter to an ivy league school (while she didn't pay for it, the fact is she raised her daughter to be disciplined in her studies and work ethic), etc. I just thought her "not grown up tendencies" were quirks that many 30-40 year olds have.
I don't think Lorelai is immature at all. She made a huge decision when she chose to leave the house of her parents and I think it was a very mature decision because she knew she could never be herself and she could never be the mother, her daughter deserves as long as she's living with her parents. And when you think about it, you have to admit that this is actually really brave. She left the nest and went out with no money, no job, no home but with a little baby in her arms. When you overthink the situation you could point out that she put Rory in Danger by doing that. But I think considering something like that would require a level of maturity, a 16/17 year old person can't really have even though she's a mother. But all in all I think she grew up really fast after Rory's Birth. Even though she stayed the "funny/childish behaving" Person she wasn't able to be while still living with her parents. But I don't think this makes her immature in any way. It's just a part of her personality that formed because of her childhood. By the way, I think her inability to be in a long term relationship is also because of her childhood. She wasn't able to choose anything when she was a child. Her mom made all decisions for her most likely without asking her about her opinions. This did not change when she became a teenager. Not even when she became a mother. There is this one scene in Season 3 (the episode Gigi was born in) where we see Christopher and Lorelai as teenagers. The scene takes place shortly after their parents found out about the pregnancy. Now the parents are discussing what to do with the situation and the teenagers just sit there outside on the stairs listening about what the grown ups are planning for them. Even things like abortion were discussed (by Christopher's Parents) and that's really a decision only the teenagers are able to make because it's their baby everyone is talking about. Long story kept short...no one cared about Lorelais opinions ever until the day she left the house. From that moment on she was finally able to choose for herself and I think she didn't want to lose this opportunity because of a boyfriend or even a husband. At one point she was able to leave that fear behind (when she wanted to marry Luke) but it took a while for her to do so. But I think, being a strong woman who makes her own decisions doesn't make her irresponsible or immature in any way.
I’m glad this mentions that Lorlai being close in age to Rory enables her to act more like a friend than a mother. I wish the fact that that’s not a good thing was discussed.
But then again, that’s not what this video is about so it probably wouldn’t be a factor. If this were analyzing Rory, maybe.
Why do you think it isn't?
I think it can be a very good thing, also, lorelai had her mom moments between al the bff moments
Mary Ruthow, children need parents not friends. They’ll develop friendships with their peers.
Linda Schreifels they’ll probably save that for a video about Rory specifically. I do think it’s a bad thing in the sense that Rory had to grow up fast and be Lorelei’s redemption in a way. Rory always had Lorelei’s mistake on her back and from a young age was told to go to Harvard and make up for Lorelei. Once Rory moved out and Lorelei started to mature, Rory acted out and started to immature.
honestly, an 18 minute long video on my favorite character of a tv show ever is literally everything I didn't know I needed. this is amazing! thank you!
I'm in my 30s and my life is a mess. This video gives me hope! Thank you :)
People are praising lorelai for taking care of rory and raising her as a single parent but Isn't this the life she choose to be in? She left her parents house unnoticed, lived a life with her own will and as much as she took part to build rory's life, she did break it as well. She didn’t want rory to go Harvard so rory would be closer. She acted like younger one in mother-daughter relationship when rory should have been the one with child like attitude which she was but didn’t get the chance to act like one. No wonder "the forced upon adult behaviour" effected rory the same way lorelai was effected in making life decisions. Lorelai could have been a fun character but not a good parent. She absolutely never restricted rory from making any bad choices. Either she said 'no' or failed trying to motivate her. A good parents never let kids make the same mistake they did, and lorelai did that.
Lorelai is the hero of the series and also the hidden villain.
exactly, if it wasn't for lorelei rory wouldn't have had her 'rise and fall'. it only happened because lorelei never gave her a chance to be a teenager.
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Why y'all hatin on Lorelai like this? She's a fun person. It really says a lot about her that she owns her own Inn. Would an immature person be able to keep that up as well as she has?
hmm no? she's very responsible and a wonderful mother to Rory. and "stuck in her career"? c'mon, she worked her ass off in that Inn, she is very good at her work and she was even taking business classes, she owned her own house, car and basically provided for Rory, helped her friends whenever she could. ALL of this in the first season lol can she be emotionally immature sometimes? yes, but she was only 32 and if society thinks a 32 year old woman should be like a God or something that's on them
Having to be the adult on your relationship with your mother is one of the most hurtful things a child may suffer. I had to be the mom growing up, I took care of my sister, I had too many responsabilities, I was a 30 yo woman in the body of a child, I had no childhood. Then my mother passed when I was 17 and the whole dynamics changed. Now I am 30 and I'm struggling with depression and making bad decisions on a daily basis, I guess I get Rory. I've never watched this series btw.