I have the official DVDs of the first season and I played the creators' commentary. The Sherman-Paladinos really make it known they were salty Adam left to be on the OC XD
Agreed, they were planning to bring Dave back, but Adam being cast in "The OC" made this difficult. In my mind, Lane and Dave got their happy ending together.
It might be sadly realistic that Lane never made it out of Stars Hollow, nor became a famous rock star, but she definitely deserved better. While she seems to be happy with Zack, and raising their twins, she seems a shadow of her former self.
It's also realistic that someone grew up in a controlling environment married young. People who have had their lives dictated often need structure and feel lost without it. Hence, they marry young.
@@MsJubjubbird I feel they marry young because is the only way to get out of home. It was not the case for Lane and yet she start to leave home thanks to the band (her guys, for saying in a way).
@@girlie89 And those who tried to leave their small towns were stopped from doing it, their families don't want them to leave so they can keep control of their children or are opposed.
It's fine that Lane became a wife and mother but I wish she would have been the new owner of the record shop. It would be a nice way to still keep her in Stars Hollow but give her an identity of her own. Plus it makes perfect sense because she has the musical background and business knowledge.
@@rachelmartin5187 yes, like they could at least have said something like that in the Revival, but now Lane is like a music teacher/ shopowner with a little bit of royalties from a song or two
Mhmm. You know what also would've been cool? If they had a storyline in the OG show where Sophie went into retirement and ended up selling the music shop, so Mrs. Kim bought it (cause you know Mrs. Kim was rich AF) and gave it to Lane and Zack.
ASP wasn't as great as her fans make her out to be. Her morality & philosophy were screwed up, even before she got her panty in a twist and threw out the toys from the pram with her treatment of the show and inability to learn from her mistakes of the last few seasons of the show. Whatever people said about her successors in the last season, people loved the show after season 7 because it brought back the sunny disposition that drew fans to the show, and wanted for almost a decade a sequel. After ASP made the sequel though, which was really a rewrite of the s7 she gave up on the first time, the hype's completely died down and there's no chance of her getting a season 2.
As an immigrant, her story rings true to me. Dreams are for people born into families with accrued wealth. I faced alot of challenges coming to a new country and starting over that my friends did not. It remains a source of bitterness.
@@JS-mg1mkIt may be more on the cynical side but it's the reality for a lot of us. Are you an immigrant yourself? Lane's story may not have ended as predicted but that's how it is for so many people and who is ever going to tell their stories if we only show the story of the girl who achieved all her dreams? What about the people who even though didn't become everything that was expected of them still try to make the best with what they got?
@@clearwinx well for starters, the story wasn't about her. It was about Lorelei and Rory. And second of all, Lane wasn't an immigrant. She was born in America. Her mother was an immigrant and her mother did what many asian immigrants do and opened a successful business. Lane got to reap the benefits of that business and got a stable family which I think is better than where Rory ended up
@@JS-mg1mkthey might have been american, but i think it can also represent immigrants too. Her mom was too strict and close to her culture by even prohibited from dating boys unless they are of same race as hers. So that could also signify that they are still immigrant mentality where while American, have not assimilated to blend their culture to the country they are residing
Unfortunately for many Asian kids lane's storyline still holds very true to this day and age..their dreams and passions bieng sacrificed for honour of the family.
Björk got married to her Sugarcubes bandmate at 21 and had a baby. A few years later she left Iceland, her husband and the band and moved to London where her solo career really took off. I would have liked a similar storyline for Lane.
It was so annoying how dirty they did Lane. I always found her to be more interesting and nuanced than Rory, and direct parallels could be drawn between her and Lorelai as far as rebelling against a predetermined life they wanted no part in (THE STRUGGLE OF WHICH MAKES THEM THAT MUCH MORE INTERESTING). Also, I really don't know why they forced the relationship between Lane and Zach-he was nowhere near the complementary match she and Dave were-he fell short in intelligence, humor, passion, and everything else that made her chemistry with Dave palpable on screen. And why couldn't they have her pursue college while still playing in the band? AND why was she not allowed to be a sexually liberated woman? I hate pointing to it being a race thing, but I swear if she were a white character she would've had a more fulfilling and gratifying arc. THIS IS MY ROMAN EMPIRE!!!
Yeah maybe if they made Zach less dumb. There were funny moments with his character but he didn’t need to be such a dope. Lane does seem so much better than that. Even as far as a traditional life he doesn’t seem right for her.
Why did she need to be sexually liberated? I mean I don't think Lane and Zach were a perfect match but they had one of the healthier relationships on the show and they were still together in the revival. Compare that with Rory who had had two affairs with attached men and Paris who was going through a divorce. Lane did things right in that regard.
@@JS-mg1mk sexual liberation doesn’t mean “sleeping around” (though that isn’t necessarily bad if done safely and healthily) or just having a couple boyfriends. There is no right or wrong way, lane isn’t “right” whatever that means bc she waited, technically all the other girls did too in their own ways. She can be sexually liberated, or at least get to express and experience female sexuality in a relationship without getting the unfortunate knocked up treatment seen in so many shows. And esp when somehow nothing is done to prevent it or change it. In many forms of media, girls and women are punished with mediocre to bad relationships and unplanned pregnancies. And there is little to no talk or awareness of sexual education, female reproductive health and positive female sexuality. While there is some realism to these stories sometimes- seeing it repeated unrealistically and one dimensionally is boring, dumb, and frustrating to some people.
As the child of an immigrant, Lane is the most relatable character to me. I say it a lot about Gilmore Girls. You can say that you don’t like what becomes of these beloved characters. But you can’t say that it wasn’t realistic or true to life.
I watched a video regarding Rory as I grew to dislike her in those final seasons, and it finally clicked. It sucks how this show exposes the reality of children/characters like these. The character are pretty relatable even in an unpleasant way.
I kind of feel like wasted potential is kind of the sin of the Gilmore Girls writing - to fill them with hope and then smash them into reality. It makes me feel icky in this really weird way. Maybe it hurts more because Stars Hollow is such a heightened setting that the reality of those choices feels so strange. The cynicism doesn't match the tone.
Well said! The tonal mismatch is so jarring on rewatches. On the surface it's a happy, hopeful show about forging your own destiny... But really everyone ends up where they started off in a full circle, repeating their parents' mistakes and bad choices. It's a really bleak, cynical message, especially for a show aimed at younger people.
Everything you wrote is why I love the show though. It’s not what you expect it to be. It’s a hyper-realistic story within a whimsical and unrealistic setting.
@@angelinaveneziano5303 I think Stars Hollow is a darker place than it appears. It’s pretty clear that the town puts its thumb on the scale of people who gets on its bad side. Jess could do no right and all he did was play a few pranks and get in a car accident. Rachel mentioned that she knows she’s being watched by everyone who expects her to screw up. It can be a great place if they like you and we see it from Lorelei’s perspective most of the time. But it’s pretty clear you are who the town wants you to be.
@@angeliprimlani9389 Yeah, small gated communities are not paradises, the underlying scenario if you make a certain mistake nobody will forget you and it depends heavily on bias. Idr which of the first two love interest Rory had but Rory screwed them over and because they were the black sheep or became a black sheep, nobody took their side and eventually vanish from the show.
out of all the Gilmore Girls cast, i will never get over what they did to Lane. even if she wasn't going to be a massive rock star, at least music could be a part of her life. but no, she was eking out an existence in her mother's antique shop. since she didn';t have the privilege Rory did, which Rory wasted. it feels like such a let down, in a sequel show of all let downs.
This is honestly really sad and kind of reminiscent of Haley story in Modern Family. We take a vibrant, interesting, young woman and then instead truly fleshing out her story and character, she gets pregnant, and all of her potential and interest fades away.
Unwanted pregnancy is often seen as a punishment. The answer is Abortion, not getting married to a childman. I see this young, striving, than pregnant as pretty misogynistic. Unwanted pregnancy destroys so many women's lifes.
I’m not sure why the creators decided to show us realistic endings for a lot of the characters. Gilmore Girls was a fantasy land most of the viewers watched to escape from reality. We did not want realism, we wanted the fantasy world!
@@TheOptimalLife honestly lane’s isn’t entirely realism. In many forms of media the characters seem to be living in a world with no sexual education, female reproductive health or positive female sexuality. They definitely did some ignoring and bending and shrinking for the Gilmore girls world to make their “simple” little storylines work without too many questions and holes. Not unique to this this show, there are many forms of media where girls and women are punished with mediocre to bad relationships and unplanned pregnancies in these kinds of worlds. Tv is filled with a million other tired tropes too often to make up for poor writing and character direction or too please the people making these shows happen financially.
Zach is genuinely one of my least favorite characters because he derailed Lane's development AND Hep Alien. Both of them deserved better than being forced to settle
Lane won in many ways - she has a healthy relationship and beautiful children. She got out of an abusive situation to leave with her parents. She married out of her culture- which is a HUGE deal. So she is the first step out of generational trauma. She still has time to move on to do other things - the show only show her life in her late 20/early 30s.
100%. Forbidding a child from going to school because you grounded her as punishment is abuse, no ambiguity there. She was a hypercontrolling religious freak who tried to make Lane's world and mind as small as possible, and there was nothing but sadness in that.
It wasn’t painted as a joke. It was a very realistic depiction of a religious, immigrant mother!! We make exceptions for Mrs. Kim because we know she was also a product of her upbringing.
Do you have any Asian friends?!? Cause if you have five..at least 60% has a strict parent like Mrs. Kim! It’s realistic…and when we grow up, we all trauma bond and laugh about it together.
Lane was such an example as a person. Her story was the most realistic one and reflected the failed millions as opposed to some hardly-achievable, one-in-a-million success story. Yet, she was never a sore loser and always true to herself. She knew her boundaries. Also, let’s not forget it was Zach’s jealousy that killed the one shot she had. She was not only able to forgive him but took everything very maturely, like a saint. She never gave up her passion even though it was filled with bitter memories; she still forged meaning for herself. She never had “success” in wealth and titles, but I think she was the most successful with her outlook on life. The world would be a much better place if everyone were like Lane Kim.
It breaks my heart Amy Sherman-Palladino what's gone for one season and they completely butchered half the cast. Lane was the worst. Play literally talk about this with my partner all the time.
Judging by the nightmare that was the revival at the hands of Amy Sherman-Palladino, it's probably best she was gone for season 7. (Plus she was still around in season 6 when she married Lane off to Zach.)
Season 7 was not as well written as the previous ones, but all the major story problems were a direct result of what she Sherman-Paladino wrote in Season 6.
Part of the problem may have been the whole idea that the writers didn’t seem know what to do with her character once Rory went away to Yale. So they just start giving her these subplots and throwing a bunch of stuff at it. Boy Meets World had a similar issue with Eric as that show went along. Also, I love how nuanced your videos are.
Man, after season 1 eric became a moron, but by collague they emplifiied it into downright neflectful abuse. The Mathews were never understanding towards Eric even remotely and everything he does is only played for laughs, which became extremely uncomfortable in hindsight/rewatch
I've been rewatching this show with my 16 year old daughter, and we keep talking about how the show is all about mothers, and how at least one of the characters in Rory's age group needed, thematically, to become a mother before the show ended. Lane makes sense as that character because how much she repeats Lorelei's history with her overbearing, controlling mother. The characters in this show don't get what they "deserve." They get to work out their mommy issues in a wide variety of ways. Lane's satisfying ending is that she can have a good adult relationship with her mother, despite their history, that includes both support and boundaries.
That makes a lot of sense, & I think if be okay with it if she had at least wound up with someone better. I mean at least Brian was nice. I'd prefer someone outside of the band but if the options are that limited... Zack blows up & wrecks there shot, Lane Brian & Gil pick up the pieces
No woman that young should become a mother. Giving her an abortion would be liberalen, but her stickig with a manchild and unwanted children is just cruelty
@@CordeliaWagner1999 , I am not likely to agree that no woman should be a mother at 22 since I married at 20 and had my firstborn at 21 (the same age my mother had me at). Statistically, around 15% of women have had a child by age 20-24, and if you only include data on women who have had at least one child, around 1/3 had their first child in that age range. In a show that seems dedicated to representing motherhood and is centered around a teen mother, it seems to me to make thematic sense to show a young mother, which is a very common experience.
What always kind of broke the Immersion for me was Lane as a Cheerleader. Not that she'd never be into it but that Mrs Kim allowed it. Cheerleading has a certain sexy aspect to it besides the short skirts and you're telling me that hyper religious "boys and girls shouldn't even breath in the same room" Mrs Kim said "sure, okay" Yeah, nah.
Absolutely!! I don't understand how Rory can call herself Lane's friend when she never tried to help her break free from her abusive home. Same with Lorelai with her "well mrs kim is still her mother and she knows what's best and we have to respect that uwu " FUCK THAT. If Lorelai wasn't so fucking self centered and self righteous, she could have helped Lane. I can never watch this series again, I'll burst a blood vessel...
Because it’s a lot more complicated than that. Yes, Lane’s mom was overbearing and way too controlling but she grew up in another culture with another mentality and even though she should’ve realized that her expectations for her daughter were unrealistic considering she spend her entire life in Connecticut, this is something that most parents who immigrated in western countries struggle to deal with (talking from experience) and it usually takes them years to comes to term with that fact but as Mrs Kim did, they usually get there. It doesn’t change the fact that they loved their children and want what’s best for them and Lorelai and Rory understood that.
Amy Sherman Paladino can not make good arcs for their characters and for them to have a good ending or something good going on. It happens in Gilmore Girls like Lane, but also Mrs. Maisel why is that season-ending awful, she writes the characters so well, and then at the end is like what? And Lane in Gilmore Girls got her friend story, so why not go with her journey... Amy Sherman Paladino needs to know her character arcs
I think this is realistic Lots of outspoken middle class teens tone it down as they progress into adulthood and get a better understanding of how the world works. And a lot of wannabe rockstars don't make it and are less devoted to it as they get more responsibilities. Matchbox Twenty said "Were all rebels when were young"
It's actually the most realistic outcome. People who grow up in abusive, fundamentalist families rarely end up on the completely opposite side of things, living a completely liberated, self-determined life. They usually end up in a less-religious, less-restrictive while still quite conservative life.
Never understood that for a feminist show, Gilmore Girls never tackled the subject of abortion. And even went further as to shame female characters for being sexual beings!
I very much empathized with Lane as her story has a lot of similarities to my upbringing. I felt I also had to live a double life with a fairly strict Christian mother and wanting desperately to be in a band, playing music I loved, not just church music. It threw me for a loop when suddenly she was pregnant with twins. This didn't seem a part of her trajectory or personality at all to me.
YEEEES, I hated HATED this. As a writer all I can say is there was something in the creators subconscious that really wanted EVERYBODY IN THE HOUSE GETTIN' PREGNANT. She should've worked this idea out differently because IMO it ruined everything. Note: I am a mom and wife,
Lane deserved better i didn't like she ended up with zack she should had stayed single or had a better love interest and live the life she truly wanted
A story is different from real life - in a story the characters serve the stories. This story is about mothers, daughters, and intergenerational traumas, problems and complexes. It makes a lot of sense for Dean and Lane to become townies - as a rule, most people end up in the same class/income level as their parents do. It is unsatisfying because we don't get to see their own development and arcs fully because technically they are side characters in the story of the Gilmore family. I think this show does a decent job displaying the ambiguity that can occur when pregnancy isn't fully consensual. Both Loreli and Lane were not "trying" to become pregnant, they became pregnant and then kept the baby. (Like most pregnancies occur) This suggests while both adapted to their new realities - they did not consent and desire those realities willingly. This really impacts the relationship between mothers and their children, if nothing else on an unconscious level. Both Loreli and Lane come from conservative families and live in small towns, elements that would impact their choices. Abortion clearly wasn't on the table as a real choice for either of them. Lane ended up never being able to run far enough from her mother's voice in her head, and neither was Loreli - it impacted their relationship with their partners and their children.
Lanes ending was so sad, the fact that they made her get married and pregnant in the 7th season was completely antithetical to her character development. I always hoped that ASP would pull a Willow and make her a lesbian, or bisexual. As a millennial around the same age as Rory and Lane I would have loved to see a queer story arc for Lane
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What is up with the media NOT showing a woman living up to her full potential???? What is the deal with showing a lady settle down with someone crappy and getting knocked up???
IDK her ending was "disappointing"... NOT making a famous rock star future wasn't disappointing... having a good relationship and a life she was happy in IS good... It's also more realistic.
We don't know how her life will develop. The good thing is that her twins will be grown up when she herself is only 39 years old. That's young enough to start again and maybe get back into the music business and travel the world.
I think we all need to get a grasp on what actual success is in life. The show is literally based on this amazing bond between a woman who became a mom at 16 and her child in this charming town. Then, we turn around and talk about how saddled down and blah Lane’s life became when she got married and pregnant and didn’t become a rock star.
Lane should have had an abortion and i will die on this hill 🤷♀️ i know that the lack of discussion around birth control and reproductive health in the series is owed to the time period of its origin but man. Watching this at 34 in 2024, the series, especially because it's centered around mother-daughter relationships and female coming of age stories, aged like milk. I felt enraged most of the time Lane was on screen, I could barely watch her scenes after she got pregnant. Like. WHY. Why not just have an abortion - or at least DISCUSS it. I also hated how Rory's sexual exploration was handled but man. Lane was TERRIBLE. Her life was over before it had begun (and yes, getting pregnant at 21 before even finishing college or any kind of higher education, married to an idiot man child DOES mean her life is over).
@@signalfire15reproductive health isn’t a character thing, anyone one can have one for various reasons and feel various feelings towards it, it’s not always a yes/no religious or not religious thing. More realistically lane could’ve at least gotten some sex education and contraception, plan b was around too. The show ignores all of this and it’s display of female sexuality and health are unrealistic and aged horrifically. There was a trend in media of that time where sexual health and sexuality was not discussed and girls and women where punished with pregnancy as if basic education and alternatives did not exists in their settings. Lane came from a conservative household but she wasn’t Amish and had plenty of friends and experiences in the real world and was very smart.
@@Angel-ts8rc There is nothing written within Lane’s character that would give you any inclination whatsoever that she would have considered an abortion. She was married when she got pregnant. She had a conservative, Christian upbringing and just because she didn’t adhere to Mrs. Kim’s rules doesn’t mean she didn’t believe in the religion she was brought up in. She even waited until marriage to be intimate with her partner. I feel like these comments are just going with what you want for the character rather than how the character is actually written. It would have been entirely out of character for Lane to consider an abortion. Now, a character like Paris, it would have been within character.
@@signalfire15 you can feel that way but but I’m not making my comment for those reasons. But we are all allowed to have our different perspectives on the show. Waiting til marriage doesn’t mean you can’t have an abortion. (Or have safe sex). Like I said in my previous comment, it’s not always a simple yes or no, checked boxes on paper- anyone can have one for various reasons. You seem to have skipped over the main part and pint of my comment is that there is virtually no sex education, women’s reproductive health and positive female sexuality in this show. That’s what me and the original commenter are getting at. Idk if you missed that on accident or for a reason, or if you think that safe sex is also out of “lane’s character”?
Lane wouldn’t even have sex until she was married. You think she was going to have an abortion? When she was already married? We actually get to see Mrs Kim’s version of sex education at Lane’s wedding and while they play it for laughs it’s not at all strange that she and Zach would have minimal idea about sexual pleasure and birth control. That is sad to say the consequence of abstinence based sex education. You might not like how this story plays out but it’s entirely consistent and actually worth considering on its own terms.
No, I don't agree with that at all. Lane is my favorite character. She did get to live the life she wanted in the end. She had a beautiful family and still got to play in the band as an adult.
This video is the perfect example of what's wrong with GG fandom (and American public, and The Take). GG leitmotiv is that you do not need to be huge to be happy or to be satisfied with your life. The constant of the show is people turning down great opportunity or making stupid mistakes and going back on their feet and be ok. Lane never really pursued a big rockstar carreer, and for god's sake, she never was a rebel. She wanted to be free to do simple stuff that anyone is allowed to do. Of course the last part of her story was awfully rushed (the pregnancy), but for the rest... Not everyone want to go big in a big city, a lot of people born and breed in a little town like that kind of life. Make peace with that.
Absolutly. Now i am getting older i aporeciate more and more in Series the Character that find thier Happiness and just in what they want and not what some standards say what is right or sone people thinks you should desire and achieve. You can be happy with the little decicion and that is also alright. Because sometimes life doesn't come out as you expected and wish for and instead of dreaming unrealustic you can look what is right in front of you and have also a goid life. That ist why i love Lane. Finding your own, not holding on grudge to long so it bevomes hate or stands in your way (like the relationship to her Mum- she could have hate her, but instead choose to form a different relationship and gives her mother chances to learn also how to treat her differently.)
@@CordeliaWagner1999 Lane strong religious education impacted her so much she didn't feel comfortable to have sex before marriage, how could be in character for her to have an abortion?
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We should’ve never lost Dave. They were perfect together.
Damn you The OC!
I have the official DVDs of the first season and I played the creators' commentary. The Sherman-Paladinos really make it known they were salty Adam left to be on the OC XD
Agreed, they were planning to bring Dave back, but Adam being cast in "The OC" made this difficult. In my mind, Lane and Dave got their happy ending together.
I've been saying this for years. That damn OC! ((✊🏻)) (Shaking fist)
And that show wasn't even that good!
It might be sadly realistic that Lane never made it out of Stars Hollow, nor became a famous rock star, but she definitely deserved better. While she seems to be happy with Zack, and raising their twins, she seems a shadow of her former self.
I was thinking the same thing. This is very realistic when it comes to small towns. People rarely leave
It's also realistic that someone grew up in a controlling environment married young. People who have had their lives dictated often need structure and feel lost without it. Hence, they marry young.
story of many real women tho 🤷♀
@@MsJubjubbird I feel they marry young because is the only way to get out of home. It was not the case for Lane and yet she start to leave home thanks to the band (her guys, for saying in a way).
@@girlie89 And those who tried to leave their small towns were stopped from doing it, their families don't want them to leave so they can keep control of their children or are opposed.
It's fine that Lane became a wife and mother but I wish she would have been the new owner of the record shop. It would be a nice way to still keep her in Stars Hollow but give her an identity of her own. Plus it makes perfect sense because she has the musical background and business knowledge.
yes, like it would slightly rhyme with her mother owning her own shop as well, and Lorelai running her own business
That would've been awesome, but I wish Hep Alien would've had at least one hit song on the radio or became semi famous. They deserved better.
@@rachelmartin5187 yes, like they could at least have said something like that in the Revival, but now Lane is like a music teacher/ shopowner with a little bit of royalties from a song or two
Mhmm. You know what also would've been cool? If they had a storyline in the OG show where Sophie went into retirement and ended up selling the music shop, so Mrs. Kim bought it (cause you know Mrs. Kim was rich AF) and gave it to Lane and Zack.
Ending up as a wife and mother so young is just awfull.
I had an abortion and it was the best decision of my life.
I'll never understand why they dedicated a whole act to the Life and Death Brigade and "Stars Hollow: The Musical," but barely four scenes with Lane.
yes, and both of those were completely unnecessary to say the least
ASP wasn't as great as her fans make her out to be. Her morality & philosophy were screwed up, even before she got her panty in a twist and threw out the toys from the pram with her treatment of the show and inability to learn from her mistakes of the last few seasons of the show. Whatever people said about her successors in the last season, people loved the show after season 7 because it brought back the sunny disposition that drew fans to the show, and wanted for almost a decade a sequel. After ASP made the sequel though, which was really a rewrite of the s7 she gave up on the first time, the hype's completely died down and there's no chance of her getting a season 2.
As an immigrant, her story rings true to me. Dreams are for people born into families with accrued wealth. I faced alot of challenges coming to a new country and starting over that my friends did not. It remains a source of bitterness.
What a depressing outlook
@@JS-mg1mkIt may be more on the cynical side but it's the reality for a lot of us. Are you an immigrant yourself? Lane's story may not have ended as predicted but that's how it is for so many people and who is ever going to tell their stories if we only show the story of the girl who achieved all her dreams? What about the people who even though didn't become everything that was expected of them still try to make the best with what they got?
I use it on my favour and do way better than most locals
@@clearwinx well for starters, the story wasn't about her. It was about Lorelei and Rory. And second of all, Lane wasn't an immigrant. She was born in America. Her mother was an immigrant and her mother did what many asian immigrants do and opened a successful business. Lane got to reap the benefits of that business and got a stable family which I think is better than where Rory ended up
@@JS-mg1mkthey might have been american, but i think it can also represent immigrants too. Her mom was too strict and close to her culture by even prohibited from dating boys unless they are of same race as hers. So that could also signify that they are still immigrant mentality where while American, have not assimilated to blend their culture to the country they are residing
Unfortunately for many Asian kids lane's storyline still holds very true to this day and age..their dreams and passions bieng sacrificed for honour of the family.
That’s sad and it doesn’t have to to be that way. If living your dream is dishonoring the family then maybe family isn’t that good for you.
I was always rooting for Lane! She deserved so much better!
Agreed, MsMojo even have a video where they give Lane the happy ending that the show failed to give her.
Björk got married to her Sugarcubes bandmate at 21 and had a baby. A few years later she left Iceland, her husband and the band and moved to London where her solo career really took off. I would have liked a similar storyline for Lane.
Eww, you wanted to see her become a baby mama and raise a fatherless child? Toxic, selfish nonsense...
Lane’s secret cupboard hideout WAS THE BEST ❤
It was so annoying how dirty they did Lane. I always found her to be more interesting and nuanced than Rory, and direct parallels could be drawn between her and Lorelai as far as rebelling against a predetermined life they wanted no part in (THE STRUGGLE OF WHICH MAKES THEM THAT MUCH MORE INTERESTING). Also, I really don't know why they forced the relationship between Lane and Zach-he was nowhere near the complementary match she and Dave were-he fell short in intelligence, humor, passion, and everything else that made her chemistry with Dave palpable on screen. And why couldn't they have her pursue college while still playing in the band? AND why was she not allowed to be a sexually liberated woman? I hate pointing to it being a race thing, but I swear if she were a white character she would've had a more fulfilling and gratifying arc. THIS IS MY ROMAN EMPIRE!!!
Yeah maybe if they made Zach less dumb. There were funny moments with his character but he didn’t need to be such a dope. Lane does seem so much better than that. Even as far as a traditional life he doesn’t seem right for her.
If ShE wAs A wHiTe ChArAcTeR🙄
@@chilling_koalayes. Case in point: Rory and Paris lmao
Why did she need to be sexually liberated? I mean I don't think Lane and Zach were a perfect match but they had one of the healthier relationships on the show and they were still together in the revival. Compare that with Rory who had had two affairs with attached men and Paris who was going through a divorce. Lane did things right in that regard.
@@JS-mg1mk sexual liberation doesn’t mean “sleeping around” (though that isn’t necessarily bad if done safely and healthily) or just having a couple boyfriends. There is no right or wrong way, lane isn’t “right” whatever that means bc she waited, technically all the other girls did too in their own ways. She can be sexually liberated, or at least get to express and experience female sexuality in a relationship without getting the unfortunate knocked up treatment seen in so many shows. And esp when somehow nothing is done to prevent it or change it. In many forms of media, girls and women are punished with mediocre to bad relationships and unplanned pregnancies. And there is little to no talk or awareness of sexual education, female reproductive health and positive female sexuality. While there is some realism to these stories sometimes- seeing it repeated unrealistically and one dimensionally is boring, dumb, and frustrating to some people.
As the child of an immigrant, Lane is the most relatable character to me. I say it a lot about Gilmore Girls. You can say that you don’t like what becomes of these beloved characters. But you can’t say that it wasn’t realistic or true to life.
I watched a video regarding Rory as I grew to dislike her in those final seasons, and it finally clicked. It sucks how this show exposes the reality of children/characters like these. The character are pretty relatable even in an unpleasant way.
I kind of feel like wasted potential is kind of the sin of the Gilmore Girls writing - to fill them with hope and then smash them into reality. It makes me feel icky in this really weird way. Maybe it hurts more because Stars Hollow is such a heightened setting that the reality of those choices feels so strange. The cynicism doesn't match the tone.
Wow that's true!
Well said! The tonal mismatch is so jarring on rewatches. On the surface it's a happy, hopeful show about forging your own destiny... But really everyone ends up where they started off in a full circle, repeating their parents' mistakes and bad choices. It's a really bleak, cynical message, especially for a show aimed at younger people.
Everything you wrote is why I love the show though. It’s not what you expect it to be. It’s a hyper-realistic story within a whimsical and unrealistic setting.
@@angelinaveneziano5303 I think Stars Hollow is a darker place than it appears. It’s pretty clear that the town puts its thumb on the scale of people who gets on its bad side. Jess could do no right and all he did was play a few pranks and get in a car accident. Rachel mentioned that she knows she’s being watched by everyone who expects her to screw up. It can be a great place if they like you and we see it from Lorelei’s perspective most of the time. But it’s pretty clear you are who the town wants you to be.
@@angeliprimlani9389 Yeah, small gated communities are not paradises, the underlying scenario if you make a certain mistake nobody will forget you and it depends heavily on bias. Idr which of the first two love interest Rory had but Rory screwed them over and because they were the black sheep or became a black sheep, nobody took their side and eventually vanish from the show.
out of all the Gilmore Girls cast, i will never get over what they did to Lane. even if she wasn't going to be a massive rock star, at least music could be a part of her life. but no, she was eking out an existence in her mother's antique shop. since she didn';t have the privilege Rory did, which Rory wasted. it feels like such a let down, in a sequel show of all let downs.
This is honestly really sad and kind of reminiscent of Haley story in Modern Family. We take a vibrant, interesting, young woman and then instead truly fleshing out her story and character, she gets pregnant, and all of her potential and interest fades away.
In many tv shows girls and women are punished with bad relationships and pregnancy. This ultimately just ends up bad for the show.
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Unwanted pregnancy is often seen as a punishment. The answer is Abortion, not getting married to a childman.
I see this young, striving, than pregnant as pretty misogynistic.
Unwanted pregnancy destroys so many women's lifes.
@blor3664 Alexis considers herself Latina, if that eases your troubled mind
I’m not sure why the creators decided to show us realistic endings for a lot of the characters. Gilmore Girls was a fantasy land most of the viewers watched to escape from reality. We did not want realism, we wanted the fantasy world!
@@TheOptimalLife honestly lane’s isn’t entirely realism. In many forms of media the characters seem to be living in a world with no sexual education, female reproductive health or positive female sexuality. They definitely did some ignoring and bending and shrinking for the Gilmore girls world to make their “simple” little storylines work without too many questions and holes. Not unique to this this show, there are many forms of media where girls and women are punished with mediocre to bad relationships and unplanned pregnancies in these kinds of worlds. Tv is filled with a million other tired tropes too often to make up for poor writing and character direction or too please the people making these shows happen financially.
Zach is genuinely one of my least favorite characters because he derailed Lane's development AND Hep Alien. Both of them deserved better than being forced to settle
Lane won in many ways - she has a healthy relationship and beautiful children. She got out of an abusive situation to leave with her parents. She married out of her culture- which is a HUGE deal. So she is the first step out of generational trauma. She still has time to move on to do other things - the show only show her life in her late 20/early 30s.
My first electric guitar was named after her.
I love this so much!!! That is Lane’s legacy! ❤🎸
Mrs. Kim’s abusive parenting towards Lane being painted as a joke in the show really, really doesn’t sit right with me.
Yes totally agree
@@angelaholmes8888 We were supposed to hate Emily’s controlling behavior, yet Mrs. Kim’s way more harmful behavior was just seen as “quirky”.
100%. Forbidding a child from going to school because you grounded her as punishment is abuse, no ambiguity there. She was a hypercontrolling religious freak who tried to make Lane's world and mind as small as possible, and there was nothing but sadness in that.
It wasn’t painted as a joke. It was a very realistic depiction of a religious, immigrant mother!! We make exceptions for Mrs. Kim because we know she was also a product of her upbringing.
Do you have any Asian friends?!? Cause if you have five..at least 60% has a strict parent like Mrs. Kim! It’s realistic…and when we grow up, we all trauma bond and laugh about it together.
Lane was such an example as a person.
Her story was the most realistic one and reflected the failed millions as opposed to some hardly-achievable, one-in-a-million success story. Yet, she was never a sore loser and always true to herself. She knew her boundaries.
Also, let’s not forget it was Zach’s jealousy that killed the one shot she had. She was not only able to forgive him but took everything very maturely, like a saint.
She never gave up her passion even though it was filled with bitter memories; she still forged meaning for herself.
She never had “success” in wealth and titles, but I think she was the most successful with her outlook on life. The world would be a much better place if everyone were like Lane Kim.
It's interesting how often women are called "saints" when really all they are is doormats.
It breaks my heart Amy Sherman-Palladino what's gone for one season and they completely butchered half the cast. Lane was the worst. Play literally talk about this with my partner all the time.
Judging by the nightmare that was the revival at the hands of Amy Sherman-Palladino, it's probably best she was gone for season 7. (Plus she was still around in season 6 when she married Lane off to Zach.)
Season 7 was not as well written as the previous ones, but all the major story problems were a direct result of what she Sherman-Paladino wrote in Season 6.
This show was a poster child for victim-blaming and "forgive thy parents, even when they abused the shit out of you."
THIS
The finals for Rory and Lane were dramatically realistic. That's why, the majority of viewers didn't like it.
I was overall fine with them having Lane get married and have kids young…..but did it have to be with FRIGGING Zach??!! 😒
Nah, let her have an abortion.
Unwanted pregnancy always ferls like some sortiert of punishment for a female character
Part of the problem may have been the whole idea that the writers didn’t seem know what to do with her character once Rory went away to Yale. So they just start giving her these subplots and throwing a bunch of stuff at it. Boy Meets World had a similar issue with Eric as that show went along.
Also, I love how nuanced your videos are.
Man, after season 1 eric became a moron, but by collague they emplifiied it into downright neflectful abuse. The Mathews were never understanding towards Eric even remotely and everything he does is only played for laughs, which became extremely uncomfortable in hindsight/rewatch
I've been rewatching this show with my 16 year old daughter, and we keep talking about how the show is all about mothers, and how at least one of the characters in Rory's age group needed, thematically, to become a mother before the show ended. Lane makes sense as that character because how much she repeats Lorelei's history with her overbearing, controlling mother. The characters in this show don't get what they "deserve." They get to work out their mommy issues in a wide variety of ways. Lane's satisfying ending is that she can have a good adult relationship with her mother, despite their history, that includes both support and boundaries.
That makes a lot of sense, & I think if be okay with it if she had at least wound up with someone better. I mean at least Brian was nice. I'd prefer someone outside of the band but if the options are that limited... Zack blows up & wrecks there shot, Lane Brian & Gil pick up the pieces
I don’t consider Lane’s ending “satisfying” at all.
No woman that young should become a mother. Giving her an abortion would be liberalen, but her stickig with a manchild and unwanted children is just cruelty
@@CordeliaWagner1999 , I am not likely to agree that no woman should be a mother at 22 since I married at 20 and had my firstborn at 21 (the same age my mother had me at). Statistically, around 15% of women have had a child by age 20-24, and if you only include data on women who have had at least one child, around 1/3 had their first child in that age range. In a show that seems dedicated to representing motherhood and is centered around a teen mother, it seems to me to make thematic sense to show a young mother, which is a very common experience.
What always kind of broke the Immersion for me was Lane as a Cheerleader. Not that she'd never be into it but that Mrs Kim allowed it. Cheerleading has a certain sexy aspect to it besides the short skirts and you're telling me that hyper religious "boys and girls shouldn't even breath in the same room" Mrs Kim said "sure, okay"
Yeah, nah.
Cheerleading isn’t inherently sexual. It’s just the media likes to portray it that way. 😑
I like how the sponsored part of this video is louder than the actual content lol
If Lane was my friend I would have helped her get out of that house...
@@Design____ByS Mrs. Kim was abusive towards Lane and I don’t get why more GG fans don’t call that out.
Absolutely!! I don't understand how Rory can call herself Lane's friend when she never tried to help her break free from her abusive home. Same with Lorelai with her "well mrs kim is still her mother and she knows what's best and we have to respect that uwu " FUCK THAT. If Lorelai wasn't so fucking self centered and self righteous, she could have helped Lane. I can never watch this series again, I'll burst a blood vessel...
@@karrihart1 yes!! Her mother was abusive, ruined her life and people just laugh it off...
@@erylaria398 that's what I think every time I watch, why doesnt Lorelai help? Why don't they call social services?
Because it’s a lot more complicated than that. Yes, Lane’s mom was overbearing and way too controlling but she grew up in another culture with another mentality and even though she should’ve realized that her expectations for her daughter were unrealistic considering she spend her entire life in Connecticut, this is something that most parents who immigrated in western countries struggle to deal with (talking from experience) and it usually takes them years to comes to term with that fact but as Mrs Kim did, they usually get there. It doesn’t change the fact that they loved their children and want what’s best for them and Lorelai and Rory understood that.
Amy Sherman Paladino can not make good arcs for their characters and for them to have a good ending or something good going on. It happens in Gilmore Girls like Lane, but also Mrs. Maisel why is that season-ending awful, she writes the characters so well, and then at the end is like what? And Lane in Gilmore Girls got her friend story, so why not go with her journey... Amy Sherman Paladino needs to know her character arcs
I think this is realistic Lots of outspoken middle class teens tone it down as they progress into adulthood and get a better understanding of how the world works. And a lot of wannabe rockstars don't make it and are less devoted to it as they get more responsibilities. Matchbox Twenty said "Were all rebels when were young"
It's actually the most realistic outcome.
People who grow up in abusive, fundamentalist families rarely end up on the completely opposite side of things, living a completely liberated, self-determined life.
They usually end up in a less-religious, less-restrictive while still quite conservative life.
The ending felt harsh because it was a sharp departure from the dreamy nature of the show.
Implying that an unwanted pregnancy leads to happyness is such a nasty lie.
I have seen young mothers with Oopsies.
That's 99% misery.
Definitely Lane was waaaay smarter (in all sense of the word) than Rory. So unfair.
so happy for a video on lane 😭😭❤
Wait, so Dave Rygalski is more or less real!? I'm so happy for Helen!
Thanks for highlighting one of the best characters!
THE PERFECT TIMING OF THIS
I LOVE GILMORE GIRLS ANALYSIS
Never understood that for a feminist show, Gilmore Girls never tackled the subject of abortion. And even went further as to shame female characters for being sexual beings!
Why do you think it's a feminist show?
I very much empathized with Lane as her story has a lot of similarities to my upbringing. I felt I also had to live a double life with a fairly strict Christian mother and wanting desperately to be in a band, playing music I loved, not just church music. It threw me for a loop when suddenly she was pregnant with twins. This didn't seem a part of her trajectory or personality at all to me.
YEEEES, I hated HATED this. As a writer all I can say is there was something in the creators subconscious that really wanted EVERYBODY IN THE HOUSE GETTIN' PREGNANT. She should've worked this idea out differently because IMO it ruined everything. Note: I am a mom and wife,
Zach is kinda pushy, often kinda mean, & (his greatest failing in my Southern mom's opinion) he's stingy.
Lane deserved better i didn't like she ended up with zack she should had stayed single or had a better love interest and live the life she truly wanted
A story is different from real life - in a story the characters serve the stories. This story is about mothers, daughters, and intergenerational traumas, problems and complexes. It makes a lot of sense for Dean and Lane to become townies - as a rule, most people end up in the same class/income level as their parents do. It is unsatisfying because we don't get to see their own development and arcs fully because technically they are side characters in the story of the Gilmore family. I think this show does a decent job displaying the ambiguity that can occur when pregnancy isn't fully consensual. Both Loreli and Lane were not "trying" to become pregnant, they became pregnant and then kept the baby. (Like most pregnancies occur) This suggests while both adapted to their new realities - they did not consent and desire those realities willingly. This really impacts the relationship between mothers and their children, if nothing else on an unconscious level. Both Loreli and Lane come from conservative families and live in small towns, elements that would impact their choices. Abortion clearly wasn't on the table as a real choice for either of them. Lane ended up never being able to run far enough from her mother's voice in her head, and neither was Loreli - it impacted their relationship with their partners and their children.
It feels so cruel that in most shows about Teens and young adults one of them HAS to end up pregnant.
Did ASP or any other writer ever give a reason why they chose to have Lane and Zach conceive so quickly?
I was literally just thinking about this (as i have for the past 18 years lmao) so i'm excited to watch it!
I think Lanes " ending" ( she is thirty...) was good. Way more settled than Rory,. She seemed happy.
Lanes ending was so sad, the fact that they made her get married and pregnant in the 7th season was completely antithetical to her character development. I always hoped that ASP would pull a Willow and make her a lesbian, or bisexual. As a millennial around the same age as Rory and Lane I would have loved to see a queer story arc for Lane
They failed her so badly.
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I completely agree. I hated how Lane's story turned out. She deserved better.
Aspiring young woman has her dreams cut short by pregnancy was used often in Gilmore Girls
What is up with the media NOT showing a woman living up to her full potential????
What is the deal with showing a lady settle down with someone crappy and getting knocked up???
Yes we all bloody do
IDK her ending was "disappointing"... NOT making a famous rock star future wasn't disappointing... having a good relationship and a life she was happy in IS good... It's also more realistic.
We don't know how her life will develop. The good thing is that her twins will be grown up when she herself is only 39 years old. That's young enough to start again and maybe get back into the music business and travel the world.
totally, Lane deserved much more
I think we all need to get a grasp on what actual success is in life. The show is literally based on this amazing bond between a woman who became a mom at 16 and her child in this charming town. Then, we turn around and talk about how saddled down and blah Lane’s life became when she got married and pregnant and didn’t become a rock star.
Lane should have had an abortion and i will die on this hill 🤷♀️ i know that the lack of discussion around birth control and reproductive health in the series is owed to the time period of its origin but man. Watching this at 34 in 2024, the series, especially because it's centered around mother-daughter relationships and female coming of age stories, aged like milk.
I felt enraged most of the time Lane was on screen, I could barely watch her scenes after she got pregnant. Like. WHY. Why not just have an abortion - or at least DISCUSS it.
I also hated how Rory's sexual exploration was handled but man. Lane was TERRIBLE. Her life was over before it had begun (and yes, getting pregnant at 21 before even finishing college or any kind of higher education, married to an idiot man child DOES mean her life is over).
Lane would never have an abortion. It’s not within her character to make a decision like that.
@@signalfire15reproductive health isn’t a character thing, anyone one can have one for various reasons and feel various feelings towards it, it’s not always a yes/no religious or not religious thing. More realistically lane could’ve at least gotten some sex education and contraception, plan b was around too. The show ignores all of this and it’s display of female sexuality and health are unrealistic and aged horrifically. There was a trend in media of that time where sexual health and sexuality was not discussed and girls and women where punished with pregnancy as if basic education and alternatives did not exists in their settings. Lane came from a conservative household but she wasn’t Amish and had plenty of friends and experiences in the real world and was very smart.
@@Angel-ts8rc There is nothing written within Lane’s character that would give you any inclination whatsoever that she would have considered an abortion. She was married when she got pregnant. She had a conservative, Christian upbringing and just because she didn’t adhere to Mrs. Kim’s rules doesn’t mean she didn’t believe in the religion she was brought up in. She even waited until marriage to be intimate with her partner. I feel like these comments are just going with what you want for the character rather than how the character is actually written. It would have been entirely out of character for Lane to consider an abortion. Now, a character like Paris, it would have been within character.
@@signalfire15 you can feel that way but but I’m not making my comment for those reasons. But we are all allowed to have our different perspectives on the show. Waiting til marriage doesn’t mean you can’t have an abortion. (Or have safe sex). Like I said in my previous comment, it’s not always a simple yes or no, checked boxes on paper- anyone can have one for various reasons. You seem to have skipped over the main part and pint of my comment is that there is virtually no sex education, women’s reproductive health and positive female sexuality in this show. That’s what me and the original commenter are getting at. Idk if you missed that on accident or for a reason, or if you think that safe sex is also out of “lane’s character”?
Lane wouldn’t even have sex until she was married. You think she was going to have an abortion? When she was already married? We actually get to see Mrs Kim’s version of sex education at Lane’s wedding and while they play it for laughs it’s not at all strange that she and Zach would have minimal idea about sexual pleasure and birth control. That is sad to say the consequence of abstinence based sex education. You might not like how this story plays out but it’s entirely consistent and actually worth considering on its own terms.
No, I don't agree with that at all. Lane is my favorite character. She did get to live the life she wanted in the end. She had a beautiful family and still got to play in the band as an adult.
This video is the perfect example of what's wrong with GG fandom (and American public, and The Take). GG leitmotiv is that you do not need to be huge to be happy or to be satisfied with your life. The constant of the show is people turning down great opportunity or making stupid mistakes and going back on their feet and be ok. Lane never really pursued a big rockstar carreer, and for god's sake, she never was a rebel. She wanted to be free to do simple stuff that anyone is allowed to do. Of course the last part of her story was awfully rushed (the pregnancy), but for the rest... Not everyone want to go big in a big city, a lot of people born and breed in a little town like that kind of life. Make peace with that.
Absolutly. Now i am getting older i aporeciate more and more in Series the Character that find thier Happiness and just in what they want and not what some standards say what is right or sone people thinks you should desire and achieve. You can be happy with the little decicion and that is also alright. Because sometimes life doesn't come out as you expected and wish for and instead of dreaming unrealustic you can look what is right in front of you and have also a goid life. That ist why i love Lane. Finding your own, not holding on grudge to long so it bevomes hate or stands in your way (like the relationship to her Mum- she could have hate her, but instead choose to form a different relationship and gives her mother chances to learn also how to treat her differently.)
She endet up with an unwanted pregnancy.
As if a young adult Fan wants to see this.
Is it realistic?
Don't care, I had an abortion.
@@CordeliaWagner1999 Lane strong religious education impacted her so much she didn't feel comfortable to have sex before marriage, how could be in character for her to have an abortion?
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another take on gilmore girls lmao
Absolutely disappointing!
Shes such a Great character with a good Head on her shoulders
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