GMC Sierra AT4 Comes Up to Challenge the Ram Rebel Rouser and This is What Happens | Ep.7
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The lesson learned from the video. A stock AT4 can still do everything a modded Rebel can......
Terrence Jones ... indeed!!!
And any 4wd truck from the last 20 years with a leveling kit and decent tires, can keep up with them...
@@chevyon37s and ridiculous lower air dams removed. I had a 2014 F150 FX4 with a 2" lifted strut (not spacers), and a rear block kit with 33' tires. But Fords upper control arm design has articulation issues when strut body length is increased. The arms would hit the coil springs in very mild articulation off road. I haven't seen under the RAM rebel yet to judge. But I own a 2019 Trail boss now. I can tell you the GM OEM does not have the problem my Ford did.
They’re comparing a GMC truck off the dealership vs a Ram that has been modified to their liking. Not a very even comparison.
That GMC has been modified by GMC for offroading. Did you watch the entire video?
716 ODST yes I did that’s why I said from dealership and not from factory. Even then they put a lot more money into the Rebel than the GMC.
@@brandonorozco8358 it's not dealer modded. It comes from the factory that way. The airbox and exhaust aren't doing anything for it off-road here. It's a factory truck
@@brandonorozco8358 Did you? At the end Nathan plainly states that the GMC is stock and the Ram has $10,000 worth of mods.
@@sonsofliberty3081 The dealer doesn't install this lift on the AT4 or the trailboss. They come this way. The dealer CAN install one after the fact on a GM truck but these come straight from the assembly line this way
The Rancho shocks that come the GM off road package trucks are a joke. Nothing more than a sticker on a shock that is no better than any other stock shock. Give us something that’s rebuildable and actually controls the suspension on and off road like Fox or King if you’re going to make an “off road” truck.
Ranchos aren't the best offroad shock, but they are tuned better for offroad than a basic stock shock. However, they will be easy to remove and upgrade. My 2014 Ford was a pain in the ass to upgrade the front strut with the stupid IWE vaccum 4x4 unit. I have a 2019 Trail boss now and it's awesome.
Yeah they used to use Bilstein on GM's. The factory Bilsteins on my older zr2 lasted 252,000 miles! The one rear shock started leaking at around 240,000 miles!
@@terrencejones9817 Changing a front coilover on a 14' F150 is an easy day not sure what's so difficult. Swapped mine out to some Fox 2.0 when I had mine.
They definitely should have put more into the shocks. The trailboss looks nice but its really just a leveled pickup with some factory upper control arms to get the geometry of the level right. Nothing that can't be swapped out but it sure would have been nice to see something better come stock. Same with the rebel.
@@JsGarage did you actually have a 2014? You know that 2014 has a 1 year only front strut design? 09-13s had a large lower bushing with single bolt. That allowed removal of the strut without pulling the CV shaft from the hub and dealing with the IWE.
2014 used a bar pin ,with 2 lower bolts. To remove the strut the CV shaft must be pushed through the hub and the IWE actuator must be removed , and then properly meshed with the hub/cv splines on reinstall. It's not impossible, but hard to do in your driveway. I did it on a hoist and it was still very time consuming. The Chevys strut unit can be removed in about 5 minutes. It's a far superior design from a serviceability standpoint.
Andre... “flipping the switch” on those shocks does not allow your suspension to flex more, it merely controls compression and rebound in the shock, so it only controls how fast not how far the shock can move.
TFL has come a long way but they seem to have always had a hard time understanding the actual functionality of things. It was real bad in the beginning.
@@JsGarage I agree 100%. Especially when the still confuse the auto 4wd with AWD. I feel like they still think it's AWD when selected but out of hearing people correct them they just only concede and say it's "like" AWD.
@@EGGINFOOLS Yea there are a lot of things they explain weird and/or wrong from a mechanical standpoint. Main reason I keep watching is to see things that aren't out yet as there are pretty good with getting first coverage.
Ok so while andre definitely didnt think this much in detail when saying that, "flipping the switch" DOES allow for more travel given a certain, fixed amount force. The adjustment, as mentioned, controls the resistance to movement of the shock, not its maximum travel range. BUT it does allow for slightly more travel given the exact same impact than when the shocks are adjusted for towing, as long as you remain within the travel range of the shocks.
@@berkalper4742 Changing the rate doesn't mean it articulates more or less. Especially when they are just slowly going down the trail. It's articulating the same just at different rates. It's doing way more for comfort and body motion than anything else. He misspoke and that's fine but they often explain things weird. The travel is the same regardless because the rate isn't changed so much that it would limit articulation. It would be different if it was so extreme that it actually limited travel but that's not how these shocks work. The truck articulates faster or slower not more or less in this case.
Is clesr that the rear lock differential on the rebel is making a big difference. In my opinion all vehicles equipped with 4x4 should at least have a rear locked differential
At the very least as an option.
The 35s are what made the big difference. Both trucks have lockers, it's just that the G80 isn't selectable.
@@EGGINFOOLS not that big of a difference, if the rebel had a G80 instead of it's selectable one the same thing, maybe not as dramatic, would of happened.
@@okigojuryu 3 inch tire size doesn't make a big difference? Ok!
@@EGGINFOOLS I didn't say that, your taking my words out of context, I said it didn't make as big a difference as the diffs.
We want to see *mudding* and *deep waters* not just a gravel road with a few big rocks
The G80 is fine out back, but please offer a front locker option GM on the Sierra and Silverado.
I imagine the G80 will get you stuck during a rainy day on a muddy uphill trail or farm field trail . I see each tire digging a hole before the G80 engages. Need lockers for sure.
GM has stuck beside their weak link G80 gov lock as the only option for too long. They need to offer an electronic locker option with their off road packages like the ZR2 has. Im a loyal GM guy. But this has been an issue for way too long. Like Nathan said, they've got the whole package, minus the rear locker.
I never had much experience with the G80. The couple vehicles I've driven were older with the G80 code in the glovey, but it never worked. Not surprising as now my wife has the G80 in her Tahoe and we live up here in icy, snowy, MN. Her rear tire was on a patch of ice at a stop sign. She went to the gas as usual when that tire started spinning. Just as she was going to lift off the gas, BANG! The diff locked up and the tire on dry pavement chirped and away we went.
We then shimmied and shook as we made the corner with the diff locked on dry pavement. What's the average life span of a G80 anyways?
Why do you need a locker? To drive up to your mailbox 🤡🤡🙄
@@cesarconh895 yeah, I'm a New Yorker. Upstate. No street lights, no traffic lights, dirt and oil & stone roads, ATVs are road legal. So, yeah, mailbox.
Their small tires and wheel wells are not conducive to off road.
I love the G80 I have but I wish it had an E-Locker option just for the sake of like crawling and such. But I don't think it should be an only electric lock out option, I like the limited slip feature it's saved me on the road a few times along with offroad when I didn't think I needed it.
The AT4 looks amazing.
John Grytbakk Agreed! GMC’s engineers have implied they are working on an all new interior. That coupled with their new Carbon Pro package along with the new 33 MPG 3.0L in-line-6 Duramax is very compelling.
@@ldodom I would want a powerful and awesome sounding V8 in my truck though.
@@ldodom are they really for a new interior fr? Ik I don't believe in romurs but it would be nice if they did haha I could imagine
@@spyro98ortiz62 new interiors are coming in a whole GM full-size trucks lineup it's not just a rumor
gmauthority.com/blog/2019/08/updated-gm-truck-interiors-to-be-top-notch/
Spyro98 Ortiz I watched an interview with one of the Chief Engineers at GMC on the Consumer Reports show called Car Talk. He basically let the cat out of the bag by saying they have been listening to all the feedback regarding the interior not living up to the rest of the truck and they are already designing a whole new interior along with cutting edge safety and security packages they are currently only found in high end luxury vehicles.
Lol don’t make me laugh, have you been in a rebel 12” screen? Easily the nicest interior in the truck line up...!!!!! Easily, if truck guys took the time to look at the interior of the trucks hands down Dodge has the nicest interior in the truck line up
Travis Kuipers that’s what new truck buyers want is that interior. They forget about reliability. I know cause it happened to me.
To everybody crapping on the g80 locker, I've had 3 different z71s and plowed snow with all of them without issue. On the other hand, I cant imagine a solenoid inside a rear end fed by a wire bouncing up and down a million times lasting half as long.
I agree that the G80 is by far better than a e-locker for bad road conditions...but I feel a selectable locker is best for harder offroad.
Either these commenters are to younge to remember the auto lockers of the 70s,80s, or they have so much money that an e locker is their only thought process now. Either way I'm good with the G80 for everything except rock crawling which neither of these trucks are good at so it doesn't matter.
The new ones are a lot better than the older ones. The only G80's I've seen break under normal use were the 10-bolt version. When GM replaced the wimpy 10-bolt rear axle with a modified version of the 14-bolt SF axle in the half-tons , the G80 had extra space for a bigger more durable carrier. I have friends with 2014+ GM trucks that beat on their G80 often enough without an issue that I wouldn't worry about the durability.
@@karlschauff7989 I agree, the G80 is better for real world use when you dont have to think about
"Do i need a locker for this" its just there and works..
@@jredd801 Exactly especially because he plows snow the truck knows when to lock and you still got good handling and turning.
I don't care what GM or anybody else says...the G80 is not good locker. Too much wheelspin is needed to engage it. I've seen broken axles result from this locker.
Music was a little too loud in this episode guys
IMO
I think the sound balance between voice and music are always off. Especially with headphones.
Agreed..
70k for a truck is insane. I would rather buy a ram 2500 tradesmen and get the power wagon package for 45k and end up with a far superior truck off road
Yea, and that can also tow and haul just about the same as these.
Who’s going to pull that ram off the trail when it breaks
Hey guys, can we just drop the "Rouser" name? It's just a Rebel with a couple mods afterall. :)
It's so cheesy lol
Andre is the managing editor, and this was his idea. Expect to see it stick around until the truck is traded up for a new long term test vehicle.
@@mmateri I get it. It's just kinda lame, to be honest. My Rebel is comparably "modified", but I just call it a Rebel. LOL :)
@@tommyr95 I agree with you.
Between the two, I would choose the Ram, however I think that the comparison kind of unfair as the Ram has been modded.
Ram Rebel 👌
My G80 in my 99 silverado still works, something to be said for that.
Still works but never worked amazingly well.. something to be said for that too. :/
@@DeltaSierra426 You haven't own one probably I have a 2WD Silverado with a G80 locker and I do some pretty rough trails for a 2WD where even some 4WD truck would struggle and just with my locker I never get stuck.
Kevin Curren yea that you baby your truck and don’t drive it or it’s been replaced before. The G80 in my 2500 never worked right (acted as an open diff) and the G80 in my current 2012 1500 works but multiple times it’s actually gotten bound up and keeps the rear axle locked, making me have to put the truck in reverse and make slight turns to get it to unlock when I drive back on pavement and I’m only running a 275/60r20 nitto ridge grappler tire.
so does limited-slip in any Dodge truck back to 1990
That AT4 is awesome.
That blue on the GMC is amazing! It takes the style competition with ease.
Spencer Peat way over engineered looks like a crab in the front
@@coreythefam6455 it looks like when I stepped on a marshmallow 😂
I just traded in my old truck for a AT4. It’s amazing I absolutely love it and after having the 5.3 this 6.2 is outstanding with the 10sp. What a great drivetrain
Shill
I have an AT4 and I love it!
Did your 5.3 before have the 6 speed? My Trail boss has the 8 speed and its quick! Not much slower than my co-workers 6.2.
Terrence Jones My 5.3 had the 6sp. Was a great motor but after driving the 6.2 10sp I couldn’t have another 5.3.
@@2wheelobsessed Don't get me wrong I love the 6.2L as well. But not a fan of the premium fuel. As mentioned a co worker has the 6.2L, he's driven my Trail boss, 5.3L with the 8speed and he's even shocked about how quick it is. With the old 6 speed the 5.3L was at times lacking. Not now.
These two are the best pair for truck off-road reviews like this.
Cough... Cough... Raptor!
@@teop7887 I was talking about Nathan and Andre! Lol
Except Nathan looks like he smells of ass sweat and neck cheese. Would not want to take a road trip with him in the summer.
@@EGGINFOOLS
Hahaha, my bad 😜✌️
@@teop7887 It's cool. I can see my comment being confusing now! 😅😂
The local dealer can’t keep AT4 trucks on the lot. They are getting popular
Perfect truck for City Boys paying 65k and not needing a locker.
Actually the ram is selling more then Chevy Silverado and gmc serria the delar says that it is very hard to keep the ram rebel to the delears and i have seen more ram rebels then gmc serria at4
Austin Smith they don’t realize they are getting by far the worst and cheaply made truck that GM has created. How’s that engine gonna hold up with that 0w20 in the heat? Not good
Corey The FAM truck has been doing fine with 0w-20
JB 93 just wait it’s not gonna do it now
Stock power wagon tradesman $50k nuff said 😎
Tradesman, Nuff said LOL
Why?
Music was loud but good comparison on the trucks but I have a problem with spending that much money to go off roading especially most of us have s payment just saying.
Mike Bishop sorry
There are plenty of people who are taking brand new Jeep gladiators off road. Other people spend $100K+ on purpose built off road rigs.... so I guess it’s only poor people who complain about spending money to take new vehicles made for off road, and actually use them off road.
Why are you comparing a modified lifted Ram Rebel of at4 stock that's just dumb
I remember doing more extreme off roading than this in my 1970 Chevy 4x4 with Dana 60's and locking Warn Hubs back in the 1980's. 70K is a lot of money......
Long before that g80 gives out that whole dodge will be in a junk yard.... a g80 is tried and true system. I’m old school...you really don’t want a whole lotta electric anything going on while off roading . Did guys trade in toolboxes for laptops?..but I’m just a old man. What do I know?🤷🏽♂️
I'm just not a fan of the RAM.
RedWings-44 and I’m just not a fan of the redwings
@@Welcometofacsistube it's a good thing for you that this video isn't about them.
Ram has some build quality issues and those who bought the Gen2 EcoDiesel ended up with some ongoing issues; which FCA addressed by recalling and detuning it.
Me too not a fan
I have a Ram and I’m a fan.
I've been driving 18 wheelers for over 15yrs. Almost ever rig i have driven has a locking dif for traction when the foundations are to soft. Ill take the GMC over the ram for one reason. My buddy had his rear locker switch not work. And guess who pulled him back out to the road the Z71. The Problem is that people dont know how to use the G80. You have to give it gas or your getting stuck. America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Nice video but the odds of anybody taking an $60,000 pickup offload are slim and none.
at least its a real truck unlike the gladiator
I disagree. I bought a new AT4 and I had it off road the very first week inspecting power lines for a rebuild project. Of course being new, I immediately took it for a car wash. One thing that I do like about the mechanical locker is that it is always waiting. It is not limited to 4-Lo. I was able to get through a good deal of mud in 2WD because of the G80. It is not the Ford Raptor, but with the tailgate down (and load stopper up), I can easily secure a 4X8 sheet of plywood.
oak 1971, angel ullom, I completely agree. Trucks have become so expensive they’re just not fun anymore
angel ullom kinda the point
I see a lot of trucks that never leave the pavement here in Utah. I also see a lot of trucks that go off road, because that is where I go. I don't go looking for the hardest trails, but my trucks see a lot of dirt roads, and some of them are at least as rough as depicted in this video.
There are a lot of mall cruisers here...you won't see them where I take my truck.
$60,000? Yes, that is a lot for a truck. Just one of the reasons why I have been window shopping for about a year. I don't want to regret my purchase, so I am looking for the best truck for my needs.
Ram is offering all of their engines across the lineup. GM needs to pull their head out, and do the same. The Trail Boss with a 6.2 or the new 3.0 diesel would be at or near the top of my list, but the AT4 has a lot of options that I don't need. It has also been reported that GM is working on an interior upgrade for 2021 (thanks to Ram).
Right now, the Rebel with possibly the Ecodiesel is winning for me...and I don't really like diesels.
YMMV
Love my 6.2 AT4
I have driven Rebel, F-150 XLT FX4, and now AT4. AT4 is the best for me. Some people need to drive an AT4 before coming up any conclusion.
Just give me a Trail Boss, and I’ll handle the upgrades 😂
I got one. It's awesome.
Love my trailboss
TB is the best hell yea for anything u want
"Rancho suspension package" it's just shocks, shitty ones at that.
The GMC rear end is a better than the Dodge for the long run you will have trouble with the electrical in the Dodge in 20 years the GMC will be good
Dodge doesnt make trucks anymore...
All same company you have go to a Dodge dealership to buy a Ram
Electric tale gates are fairly new and you already knoe how long they're going to last? RAM is 2nd best selling for a reason.
How many cars have no electrical issues after 20 years? Maybe a car that was built in the 80s with hardly any electrical components.
Nobody keeping these trucks for 20years
RAM ❤❤❤❤❤❤
GM listen to your loyal customers. E locks are a most and Rancho shocks are a thing of the 80s. Step up to the plate.
At4 package is a joke. Gm is a joke. Red tow hooks, mud terrains and rancho shocks for a huge price increase over a low model 4x4 from gm? Get real...
jrstow86 so what makes the Rebel any better from the factory?
@@LGBFJB46 not sure it is... not defending the rebel in any way. gm and dodges answer to the raptor is vague.
@@LGBFJB46 judging by tnis video... Nothing. They said it at the end of the video. The GMC managed to be the best of both worlds. It works offroad and can be daily a daily driver. At $66k, thats the least anyone should expect really. The Dodge makes noise and the hybrid getup has already proven to be sort of a gimmick by this channel. Maybe it helps with torque, but the fuel savings proved non-existent. Just another Fiat part to fail.
@@jrstow86 Dodge doesnt make trucks now.
@@96thundercat ram, dodge, chrysler, jeep, fiat... same shit different toilet
The new 2019-2020 Chevy and GMC are some bad ass looking trucks !!!! The new fords and rams 😭😭😭 dam they are ugly .... the I’ve seen new trail boss finally in person and dammmm .... that truck looks so mean 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I want the GMC body and 6.2 engine with the RAM interior, now that would be a truck of trucks.
Music way too loud.
I agree. Who needs music when you're listening to those exhaust notes?
@@sir.confident hard to hear with music being so loud lol
@@nabatron21 Yeah
For that kind of money, why not just get a Power Wagon?
That is the route I'd certainly go if I were wanting an "offroad" truck. Plus the power wagon is a 3/4 ton pickup with solid axles much better for those offroading excursions.
These trucks are geared more for somewhat higher-speed off-roading whereas the Power Wagon is a slow technical off-roader. Moreover, if you don't need the additional towing or payload capacity, it can be a bit overkill.
Let's not forget the wonderful mpg the RAM doesn't get before all the mods! That AT4 is the real deal!
I’m getting great mileage on my ram. 21 MPG on the highway. 18 MPG in the city. My GMC Terrain got 29 on the highway and about the same 18 MPG in the city
Rebel has the electric locker from the factory at lower cost, though it just so happens TFL tricked out their Ram to cost a bit more than the AT4. Unfortunately, this makes it an apples-to-oranges comparison, but it still a great video and helps illustrate the differences as you put a bit more into your 4x4. If this course a little harder, the AT4 would start to struggle while the Rebel Rouser is just starting to get "dramatic" as the guys call it.
Both stock AT4 and Rebel are great all-around trucks, i.e. off-road capability is impressive for how little is sacrificed for on-road characteristics. Recent improvements in A/T and M/T tire technology have helped quite a bit as well.
The g80 is not good off-road but is brilliant on road because it works in 2wd. You pull into your driveway and you've got ice down one side...well g80 kicks in and you don't even have to think about it
I think you can lock the locker in the Rebel in 2WD? Someone that has a Rebel maybe could try and let us know. I'm not rich enough to get a truck like that so I have no idea but you'd think for the price you could engage that rear locker regardless of being in 2WD or 4WD. I think you can engage the locker in the Wrangler Rubicon in 2WD? Again I have no idea because I don't have one but you'd think it would be possible....if not its a great reason to skip all that factory crap and do aftermarket where you can engage the locker whenever you want not when a computer thinks you should LOL. I don't have to do anything with the limited slip in my Jeep it just goes wherever I point it, works great, I wonder why that gov-loc takes so much wheel spin to engage? I assume that's due to its overall mechanical design though.
@@uncle_salty_3675 Thank you for the reply. Wasn't quite sure but thought they did.
why don't ram offer the 6.4 engine in the half ton trucks they should
They should, and they should do a special 2WD model, all blacked out I think would be really cool, or do the supercharged 6.2L V8 they use in the Grand Cherokee Trackhawk. Call it a superhawk or something like that.
U pay for what u get
I think GM knows that most of the sissies that buy the AT4 dont actually go off road so they just half-ass it 😃😃😃
Get a compressor and AIR DOWN! Not only does it increase your traction it softens the ride. Are you afraid to because of your low riding 4x4's?
The G80 will last longer than an electric rear blocker, and with all the extra mods on the Ram it really if any is only slightly better?? So stock for stock the GM's are better, why pay that much extra for something you can have for much less $ and the Ram especially with the mods will more than likely not last as long, AT4 and Trailboss seem to be tops.
Anything will last longer if you... don't use it, lol. What's your point? If a video is all about off-roading, this is GM's best defense of the G80? The Rebel isn't slightly better; this course didn't push either truck to the limit to see who really maintains elegance. The power mods and exhaust on the Rebel don't do anything real-world in off-road terms -- they just make it more "likeable" to the guys. They could have either saved the cash or opted for more off-road investment.
This video compares stock to modified, so there's no direct comparison at all unless comparing apples to oranges is a sound thing to do. It really just serves more of an entertainment purpose.
With GM's OBS you could apply the emergency brake a tad when the rear tire was spinning and the gov lock would work better
Didn't they go to an electronic ebrake? As its fully on or off not just a tad
@@panthermartin7784 You might be right
Why does Andre always sound out of breath?
The altitude?
Question for you guys how many more hp does the Ram Cold air intake and ram exhaust system add . ??
@6:10 I always laugh when GM, or Ford, or any manufacturer uses tires named after the Jeep in their offroad packages.
It must be a competition to see which of the complex electrical systems fails first. They need a Ford product there also as their electronics are just as bad. I’m sure the Etorque in the RAM will give them fits long before the LT or the 10speed in the GM do. They are 2 of the best looking trucks on the market if that helps. I’m not sure what their point is, Lockers, good tires and a mild lift kit and the brand becomes irrelevant. You could source these parts yourself, save 10k and have the same trucks.
The Raptor has a rear locker if I recall? So not sure why they didn't bring one of them out on that little BMX trail.
I'm not sure what part of the eTorque you think will fail. The internal combustion engine has more parts, and probably has more computer controls / circuit boards, and they eTorque is really just a battery and a motor, with probably two or three circumstances when it helps out. Seems pretty simple, and not necessarily prone to failure.
G80 works GREAT, you just have to know how to use it. Light left foot braking whiling climbing and instant locker without the wheel spin, not dramatic at all. You still get all the on road performance as well.... (Nathan, learn how to drive! lol jk) Great vid, Thanks
The g-80 locker requires wheel spin to activate, your statement applies to the old school clutch limited slip diffs, I own a g80 locker, it’s better than an open diff but when you loose momentum due to wheel spin before it engages that’s an issue, it should have selectable mechanical lockers.
I’ll take the GMC with a 6.2 please
I'm with Nathan and I like the GMC. I wish it had the rear lockers but, I would buy the AT4 and don't go off roading much only because we don't have those great off roading locations here in Florida like you have in Colorado. Great video and thanks for sharing TFL, Nathan and Andre.
Sierra sounds waaay better..
That at4 💙
I'd go for the Sierra AT4. That e-torque, BARF
Having the 4x4 controls and the trailer brake controls on the left side is not a big deal. I got used to it on my 2014 Sierra in about 2 days. If anything I wish the traction control button was on the left side so all the drivetrain controls were in the same place.
As to the Auto locker..to each his own. I've never had a problem with it and the All wheel drive option is a total winner. I turn it on in the Winter and leave it on and not worry about it. Is the traction as good as putting it in 4x4 high or low? No but I keep a smaller turning circle and that is huge for everyday driving. I only use the 4x4 in the winter when its really bad.
Auto AWD setting on the older GMs used to grenade transfer cases. Lol. The part that auto switches would literally wear right through the outer housing of the casing.
@@evictioncarpentry2628 Ok. I've NEVER had a problem with it. I also only use it in the winter not year round. I like to get that couple mpg back when the snow and ice is gone. If that's you're exp fine but its not been mine or my friends who've owned GM products.
@@loganholmberg2295 I never said it's MY experience. It's a known GM issue. The shift mechanism inside the transfer case wears right through the metal casing. Look it up if you need to.
@@evictioncarpentry2628 lol Ok I wasn't trying to argue or anything. What years was it an issue on anyways?
How do you compare a modded truck to a non one
That’s cute. Compare a modified truck to a stock truck. Someone falling short right from factory
Insecure much? Stock Rebel probably beats stock AT4, but it's easy to whine because of the comparison they did in this video.
GM really needs to add a selectable locker.
Why? First the 1 percent time it goes off road or stuck in snow?
@@bryane2857 Yes.
@@ALMX5DP the G80 works great getting you unstuck from snow.
@@RyanRKJ Sure, but it would be nice to prevent such situations before they exist. Selectable locker could help with that as seen in this video.
No they Don't. I had an Elocker on an F150 FX4 with a small lift and bigger tires. Fully locked means you can't negotiate tight trails and both tires spinning is totally useless in the snow, all you do it go extra sideways regardless of how much counter steering you try. The fully locked axle would bang and hop around even the slightest corner, it always sounded like it was about to break.
I'd rather and LSD over the G80 still, but the G80 works.
Gotta love that 6.2 litre engine and the exterior on the GMC Sierra at4
Honestly of the GM trucks, the prefer the look of the new Chevys over the GMC ones. But I guess thats a personal preference.
But not the interior :P lol
@A T I'm not sure about the shocks, you're right about the interior.
No he's right about the shocks. Once you've experienced good shocks like Fox, King or the new 6112 Bilsteins you'll see that ranchos are garbage. For almost $70K they could include something much better like the TRD Pros have.
@@paulf9653 You're right. Something like the ones they use on the Tundras would be better.
Sounds like GM to back in form with the cost cutting.
And once again here are all the geniuses about the G80 not being a locker, it is a mechanical automatic locker it locks the axle solid, it works in mud snow grass and loose surfaces very well it is not a selectable locker so it is not good for rock crawling. Maybe you are not old enough to remember the times before E lockers, but most offroad vehicles were upgraded to mechanical style lockers and some reacted faster, great for rocks, shit for street, and some like the G80 a more for "daily use" are great for everything but rock crawling and they are not speed deactivated, But they last a long time with moderate abuse. Shit there are gm trucks with G80 still working from the 70s and 80s. Rant finished. Oh and Andre the icon shocks do not affect amount of articulation it controls the speed of the articulation, otherwise great video. Have a great day.
Rancho shocks suck
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. No one can "jump dunes"with the stock versions of either truck without causing catastrophic damage.
How much are you being paid for this false advertisement?
No one should have to tell anyone who can afford a modern half ton what they are actually capable of doing. It was an exaggeration for comedic purposes, and a fairly obvious one at that, Andre didn't tell you or anyone that you can or should jump dunees in either of these trucks.
These off road trucks make some drivers feel like you can go jump dunes tough, and for some people, that's enough.
Then they're stupid. And you cannot babysit stupid from across the internet. I'm not gonna stop making jokes online because some turd-brain will get a bad idea, no one should...that's almost as stupid as jumping your Rebel off a dune!
We’re being paid the exact same amount you are being paid to post your comment.
The Fast Lane Truck 😂🤣😭
When will you do an off road comparison of "Short Trucks" ? Compare every 2020 off road 1/2 ton with a wheel base under 125"!
Have to boost up the dodge to keep up to the GMC :D
The trucks and jeeps etc I used to see off road when I used to have back country access were 20 years old and beat to snot. If you punched a tree or rock and caved in a body panel, it was no big deal. Grab a hammer and hit it until your wheel can clear. I was on a motocross bike, usually running from the Sherrif deputy's and would often see the after math of natures revenge on 4 WHD vehicles.
you should do the Chevy Colorado bison vs ram rebel
Both nice trucks, both made it up the hill. Shouldn't you remove the front air damn on the GMC? It looks pretty low for off roading.
I do see people taking big trucks off pavement, yes. Often hauling stuff, whether it be taking a small aluminum fishing boat down a rocky access road to get to a lake with great fishing, or hauling a deer or moose out of the woods after a successful hunt. If the objective is simply off road fun, most people use a smaller vehicle, but not always. I think it is important for these big trucks to maintain good on road capabilities though, as that's where the trucks are used the most. Both the Rebel and AT4 do a good job of maintaining on road capability, while increasing off road capability.
@@leonardrice1500 no, it's made out of thin plastic, so it kinda is like a bendy glass that's going to break if it gets hit on.
These comments are ridiculous. I've been reading them for the past 30 minutes and laughing my ass off. I own an AT4 and love it. It's the Swiss Army Knife of trucks in my opinion (jack of all trades, master of none situation). It does all things pretty good. And that's what I want in a truck. Shit on me for having a G80, that's fine. Its still a great truck. In the end, get the truck that fits YOU.
Nathan's argument is that 66k isn't a lot of money but Andre's 70k is? I like the GMC but you're going to break something driving it like that just to get the rear to lock up. The locker in the RAM is worth the extra money. The RAM has way more control off road and you're less likely to break things from over-revving and lurching the vehicle.
Ram locker killed it!!
The Rebel is more biased toward off-road performance. The AT4 is more versatile, and can hang with the Rebel despite smaller tires and the G80, while being faster and getting better gas mileage. And who the heck buys either for purely off-road use? Very few I'd guess.
No matter what I love GM
I'd like that 6.2 in my ram. The rest of the Chevy parts could stay, though
Truck prices are just out of control
They're not really trucks anymore they're luxury cars with a suitcase holder. Way too much electronic and safety gadgets and nannies than necessary only to allow those who have no business owning and driving a truck to be able to operate one without running over absolutely everything. Most of today's "Trucks" are found cruising the parking lots of the mall and Wallyworld, not actually doing anything a truck was built to do which is why there aren't any compact pickup trucks anymore people buy them for family sedans and commuter cars.
@mike a Exactly, until people stop wanting their cars full of everything including the kitchen sink prices will continue to skyrocket...what used to be a work vehicle has turned into luxury cars that just happened to come with a truck bed instead of a trunk, people don't use them as trucks they use them as family sedans.
love the series, what about comparing the power wagon with the 4 door Rubicon as far as off roading. I am torn between which one I will get first when I can afford it.
Ram rebel is built for off-road only whereas the gm truck has the torque, horsepower, off road capability and on road capability. I prefer the gm cause I don’t off road everyday but would still like to be well rounded in my adventures
Power isn't everything if you don't have traction. Looks like the rebel did it with ease and the chevy did it but struggled, despite having more power
No locker and all that other package is just fluff
Comparing a stock truck to a highly customized (and subsidized for a price only in the $70k range) is like comparing apples to sheep. Customize the GMC or compare a stock Ram.
Exactly!
I've driven both these trucks and the Rancho setup on the AT4 is a joke - jumps and bounds like a pogo stick. The stock Bilsteins in the Rebel are smooth and refined on and off road. Miles apart on handling.
As always no definitive conclusion. Weak
Did they just compare a stock GMC to a modified Ram Rebel? Disappointing.
Really you have to get out of the truck and manually change the suspension settings? I think for 70k they should've incorporated a switch on the console
Did you take the VW as the support/recovery vehicle?
1. You can't compare a bigger engine to a smaller engine. 2. Where does GMC rank among trucks?
Something i did not hear them say but i have heard about the AT4 with the intake and exhaust package is it has to run Premium fuel only. I don't know if the Rebel is like this or not but that is a cost consideration for the AT4. that being said the Blue AT4 will be my next truck.
From what I could find the 6.2 requires premium. Looked at a couple, power/economy is nice but the price difference here in Manitoba is 20 cents a liter for premium/regular, was a deal breaker for me.
@@kevinkowaluk5682 that is weird that it would require premium, considering how advanced computer tech is now a days, I would think it could detune the engine if it's not getting enough octane.
The AT4 is super nice truck...I like the new design.
Gmc is way better. Cant even see over the hood on dodge. At least you get a camera in front with gmc. Plus better on fuel. I find dodge cheap made of plastic mostly
Personally the only thing that for me the GMC has over the Ram is the powerplant
"I just wanna take it in the desert and jump dunes." Ram was taking notes 😌
I don't think that a camera angle exists to make GMC or Chevy look attractive.
just get rid of the music
So this Chevy has the same basic "off road" package as Chevy offered 30 years ago. Rancho shocks, a skid plate, a finicky locker in the rear and some stickers. The only new stuff is the hill decent control and a leveling kit... Not that the Rebel is much better from the factory, the rear locker is better, but that's it.
Neither truck is even close to the Raptor or the Power Wagon in capability off road, but at least TFL truck took them on harder trails than most people ever will.
Well said, the lift is just a 2" level kit, Ranchos are very dated, the price should be 15k less, nice truck for 35k
Would still hop in my 19 trd pro over these all day, every day.
Please please ask GM why they got rid of turn signals in the mirrors. Drives me crazy!