LAC Vs LoC: The Lines Of No Control
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- China and Pakistan are two prickly neighbours India has, countries with which India has boundary-related problems. But border trouble on India’s eastern frontier is quite different from the one to the west. The Line of Control (LoC) is part of 3323 km Indo-Pak border. It’s active, violent and has been a preferred infiltration route by terrorists housed and backed by Pakistan. But it’s well-demarcated on the ground. Any intruder can be shot dead. On the contrary, the Line of Actual Control (LAC) that’s seen quite a few violent face-offs between Indian and Chinese in the past month or so is completely imaginary, with both sides having differing perceptions about where the line lies. There’s a clutch of border peace agreements in place but it was violated by China earlier this week, leading to casualties on both sides. In this episode of ‘Simply Nitin’, StratNews Global Editor-in-Chief Nitin A. Gokhale distinguishes the LoC from the LAC and why the latter, despite largely being peaceful for the past 40 years, sees occasional Chinese aggression.
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Keep up the good work Nitin.
Simply Nitin just said everything in so simple words. Thank you sir 🙂🙏👍
More power to you Nitin. Good job, as always. JH.
Very good information , sir plz do video on What may be possible strategy for India to win China
Best explanation Nitin sir. Thank you for your detailed and very informative talk.
U rock Nitin Sir, #AmarJavanFreeTibetNow
Even people like me are knowing the facts around LAC(now I know), apparently credit should go to you....Be blessed by the divine...
Status of LAC will not be changed by Chinese until Option 1. Chinese are on their knees( that is not gonna happen in next 50 years)
Option 2. Chinese do not feel any threat for CPEC and their economic interest in the region from india ( India will not change it's position regarding pakistan, sadly)
Therefore, India has to tolerate this bullying similar as Modi Government is bullying its minorities in the present and its neighbours in the future.
Both
1) 100 right, Also China has an advantage here because she controls Tibet.
2) 100% right.
Modi is not bullying anyone.
Usefull video for international relationship specially for psir student thans for simply nitin
Very clear and accurate account.
Wonderful production, I am subscribed!
In the counter-attack following the killing of their commanding officer Colonel B Santosh Babu by Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) troops in Ladakh's Galwan valley, the jawans of 16 Bihar regiment, using the most "primitive fighting methods", snapped the necks of at least 18 PLA troops and smashed their faces beyond recognition, reports Deccan Chronicle.
The jawans of 16 Bihar were reportedly joined by the 'Ghatak' troops. Together, they "unleashed a reign of terror, unheard in modern military history", the report said.
swarajyamag.com/news-brief/indian-soldiers-mercilessly-killed-chinese-pla-troops-after-their-co-fell-report
Thank you Sir
Mr. Nitin, thanks for making it simple to common men and women to understand the difference between LoC & LAC and putting a clear picture of the situation. When people are unaware they react directionlessly.
Very well brought out. Only clarification is that the LoC is not fenced. The LoC fencing is actually an anti infiltration fence to prevent/ restrict militants from infiltrating and doesn't necessarily move along the exact line of the LoC. In many places it moves within our area. Therefore the LoC fence must not be misunderstood as the LoC persay.
This is the best analysis
Sir your analysis is the best and unbiased
Why is there an insistance to follow protocol when one side refuses to follow it and/or act in bad faith... What assurance is there that the new protocol will also not be breached as it has been timeless times before..
If one local commander loses his shit (quite probable given the altitude/living conditions), the consequences have to be borne by the whole country if a shot is fired.
Why are we so passive, it does not pay we have to be aggressive and show no mercy this is the only way forward. JAI HIND
Sometime we should criticize the GOVT . Should not always defend with soft analysis . If we criticize Govt will learn from mistake otherwise they will not have any fear of doing mistake .
Thanks sir
Sir were 10 Indian soldiers held captive and if not why shouldn't the govt file cases understand NDA against these journalists
Well done, Nitin
Sir, I have question why is border with Pak in J&K is called LOC and not LAC when it is more definitive and properly demarcated by fencing.. Isnt LOC has more features of an Line of actual control in the literal meaning of the words.
Good question. The LOC with Pakistan was officially called the _ceasefire_ line. The two countries renamed the _cfl_ to _Line of Control_ during Indo-Pak Shimla Agreement , 1972 when both countries agreed to find solution to the dispute bilaterally.
Since India is the legal owner of Aksai Chin, a part of J&K, 1947, the LAC could not be named as Indo-China, or Indo-Tibetan border. Parts of LAC were formed as per Chinese claim during 1962 war. Non-demarcated LAC is a dispute within a dispute where both sides claim their own perceived line.
About LAC: When the discussions of boundary started with China, effectively from 1993, the name given by India was Line-Of-Actual-Control, or LAC, just not to have any confusion in future against an established LOC. The name LAC was accepted by both India and China in their joint 1993 agreement. A non demarcated LAC separates the controlled territories between India and China, while LOC is a well demarcated line against Pakistan. Having said that, Pakistan has tried to alter the well demarcated LOC. Last it attempted during Kargil, 1999, precisely 21 years ago.
Hope I have cleared your doubts.
Do well. Jai Hind.
Thanks Nitin. As usual nice clarity in your videos. Keep up the good work.
Nitin, If the LAC is not marked, why always Chinese erect structure and occupy and grab land in our control area? Why can't we do the same?
Maybe you have? 😉
Which area? Where you want to do?
Good explain sir 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Nitin sir... I would like to highlight couple of points here. 1. If you take the india- China(occupied Tibet and Xinjiang)-Afghanistan tri junction- the total length of India and China (occupied Tibet and Xinjiang)border is of length 4056 km. And secondly the border between Tibet and Indian state of Sikkim is an international border and not an LAC except for some as usual Chinese self proclaimed claim areas.
What is the name of that international border?
Team SNI team is doing wonderful. Nitin Ji is most brilliant & most experienced journalist in India in the field of Defence & Security.
Lot to learn about Indian territories, that are not even taught in schools and universities. Every grad should aware of India’s borders with all of its neighbors. Most unfortunate, to learn all these by now.
Thank you so indeed, very nicely information, knowledge about LAC and Loc, provided.
Very informative
Thank you sir your explanation on every aspect is point blank i am following you from over a year,once again thank you sir
it s worth noting that ever since 1950s, India has been adopting the so-called "Forward Policy". It was India who started the salami slicing tactic on the LAC, until it was taught a good lesson in 1962. Forward policy never stopped for India and the PP14 incident in Galwan valley is another good lesson for India to learn, at the price of 20+ lives.
So in 1950, it was India who attacked China via Tibet? Evidence please.
@@vinamrasinghai2339 just google forward policy and u will see how nehru invited a blood nose in 1962 by adopting this policy.
Good one nitin.
Most of the points are clear...is there a concept of buffer zone for contentious areas where neither country can build any structure?
Nope.
Nitin Ji,
Excellent explanation. There are lots of opinion available in internet but this is the best.
Requesting you to do a session on Tibet and history of Aksai Chin
Excellent
Thank you Sir for Giving us Very useful knowlegde . It will be helped in interview like SSB or others
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Dear Nithin, Pls. expose the Indian intelligence and military failure of troop build up by Chinese. The army top brass and higher command, military intelligence let down the country for their brutal mistake of NOT securing hill tops for their supply road to DBO. They repeated the same mistake of kargil leaving hill top and exposing the supply road to enemy. It was again the front line young soldiers with exemplary courage, valor and bravery loosing life and saving army ass. I've a army friend, who says higher command in desk jobs only interested in enjoying British era rules which favors them.
Hello Nitin, Thanks for a very informative video. However, (1) can you please draw 3 lines on the India China map and show up to which line we control the area with our army post and continuous physical presence, the line up to which we have patrolling posts (and are not physically present throughout the year) and similarly on the Chinese side. (2) Are there any points on LAC where can do a Pangang Tso on Chinese and which could be strategically useful to us? (3) Now that we have improved our infrastructure on LAC, what else we have to do make it at par with China? (4) Can we now say that every move by Chinese in future will be contested and stopped by India, given this incident and loss of our faith with Chinese? (5) If diplomatic moves fail to achieve status quo ante say before end Aug 2020 and if politically it is so decided, how tough it would be to achieve status quo ante by military means in a matter of 2 weeks? Please respond. Thanks
Sir please make videos in hindi also because it is very easy to understand for your viewers. You entire videos are very intelligently defined. So please minimum some videos are needed for your viewers in hindi also. Thanx
Sir, international border b/w India and pak- states are PB,RJ,GJ
you forgot GJ
India's new China policy should be:
1. 'No' to one china policy & stop referring it as Mainland China. Establish diplomatic relations with Taiwan.
2. Diversify exports and imports from china to other countries. Try mass manufacturing most of that import list within country for domestic consumption as well as for export.
3. Treat even a nail given to Pakistan equivalent to a bullet given and reply in kind by helping Chinese enemies like Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam etc by providing them all kinds of armaments including export variant of tejas.
4. Independent Tibet should be a priority under indian protection, start showing tibet and other occupied lands as separate in maps..
5. Taking control back of all parts of J&K under occupation of either of the two idiots should be paramount and if needed, should be taken back with force.
6. Install missile systems that carry all sorts of payloads on both sides just like Russia did.(iskander)
7. Recognition of Taiwan, and supporting all factions anti china/pakistan like tibet/hongkong/sidhi/balouchitan and others
8. Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh & Sri Lanka should be sheilded from china & Pakistan influences and we need to bring them under indian protection.
9. Try and replace china in manufacturing either by yourself or by forming a consortium of like minded countries.
10. Join forces with USA and if needed land in boots in to Afghanistan and in return get hi tech hardware from US at preferential rates
Well explained.
Very good analysis.
If possible, can you explain India China border (LAC & MACMOHAN LINE) and changes that took place a long these line from 1947 till now. I hope to get it soon
Manmohan line was signed in 1912 between India and Tibet on the basis that India will provide security to Tibet against China and India will get Arunachal Pradesh. In 1954 Nehru canceled the MacMohan line and signed the Panchsheel agreement.
Very good information Sir
If LAC is not defined, how come we never try to grab a piece of land and take advantage that Chinese take. Every time I see we just react to situations created by neighbors.
Because brother we are on weaker side. Let this incident be inspiration and make Chinese pay in next 15 years
That's because you only watch India news. Similarly, Chinese think exactly the same you think.
Not true, India did trying to do that in 1959-62 called forward policy. We cannot maintain the supply line. I hope now we should understand why Britishers control Tibet for the security of India.
India needs to revisit it's foreign policy towards China . It should factor in and recognise Tibet autonomous region and also recognise Taiwan . Need a proactive policy than play into Chinese hands . I think if at all anybody can do it is only this government. I thank you for nice and lucid presentation.
And what you will get out of that? If you want to give Arunachal Pradesh and Tibet to China why do you need the help of Taiwan?
Do you think a small war will happen?
Rules of engagement changed at LAC.
Your map is wrong. Its not jammu and kashmir, its indian controlled Kashmir. It would be nice if you were to look up some international maps, since your channel is spreading information about the topic, its pretty idiotic to have a wrongly classified map. Similarly, international maps call the Pakistani side of the kashmir area as Pakistani occupied Kashmir, not Pakistani occupied Jammu and Kashmir, Jammu is the area under Indian control. The other side is kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan
Good explanation, and pls only consider jamu and kashmir part of India in front of camera not in front of Pakistan army, if u do result is abhinandan.
Correct me if I am wrong but we used to patrol up to finger 8 and finger 4 to 8 was no man's land. Currently chineese troops occupy upto finger 4 so did we just gave up the no man's land to the chineese ?!
You are 100% right. It is similar to Siachin case.
Are we not supposed to be talking with the government of an independent Tibet and not China. But we are foolishly in talks about our own land with a repeat offender occupying territories of other nations
No demarcation means that you either resolve the issue by talks or by war. Tough problem for both sides.
it is sad to see so many person lost their life in such a remote area. both country should give out unrealistic goal and finalize current LAC as official borderline. one inch withdraw on border is not as important as continue losing life from poor families.
Agree but the problem is the J&K issue has to be solved first.
what is difference between intl. border and loc then?
International border is result of India's partision demarcated by Durand line.... while LoC is the result of 1948 and 1965 Indo-Pak war...
Same, LOC is signed when a party lost a war and wants to convert LAC to LOC so that it can be an international border in the future. It is done so that winning party cannot change the border by force.
@@vinamrasinghai2339 thanks
@@Rohit7Shukla thanks
please nitin tell me exactly where india china clashed in galwan valley whether at ridge or near bank of galwan river. How so many chinese soldiers died. Because i heard we were out numbered.
No one knows except intelligence at this point. They were outnumbered that why they captured soldiers.
August 5 th changed all your agreements.so pls blame your leaders
pp14 is located where is it on ridge of hill or on bank of galwan river. where chinese had put their tent
@@vivjm then why it was told that chinese stoped the flow of water and when indian troops went to pp14 to dismantle that tent , they released the flow of water to create disbalance of indian soldiers,,,,and then attacked indian side with sticks and all that,,,,,,,
Free Tibet & full diplomatic ties along with millatary ties with Taiwan
PM has insisted that none of our territory is occupied. Does it mean that the Chinese troops are well beyond finger 8? Or is he just talking about galwan?
@Mansoor Ahmed well explained.Thank you.
India territory is the one that is legally Indian that doesn't include J&K and Arunachal Pradesh. Indian controlled territory is the one that India control in parts of the disputed territory. Indian control till 2 but claimed 8. Whereas Chinese claimed till 4 and now 2. China has the right to decide the LAC interpretation. It is similar to Siachin case.
Break the pancheel agreement
Sir inspite of repeated presentation about LAC and Loc it's really unfortunate of seeing few media like india today , the print etc are propogating as though china made incursion and imbibing wrong perception in the minds of public
नितिन भाई बहुत खूब एक रिक्वेस्ट हैं ये हिंदी में देजिये क्योंकि वोट तो मोदी को वो ही देते है और अंग्रेजी स्कूल का पढाई पढ़ा हिंदी भी समझ सकता है। बुद्धिजीविओं की बात उन ही के बीच में रह जाये तो क्या फायदा जो आपने कहा काम का है मगर आपके एन्ड यूजर आपका इस्तमाल पूरी तरह नहीं कर रहे हैं
Nitin I full agree with what you said. Let tell most of the guys have not been in the actual ground situation. Take for instant the darkest u don’t know who is s who. So what bloody politician talk about it. They r not their n just talking about it. I would like to ask what have previous GOV have answered to the people that they have given the the land to China. Lat them answered this first before that ask other.
A very poor attempt, all to justify non-use of guns. I’d much rather not be part of a unit which doesn’t use whatever possible, including guns, to save my life. Also, I’d be a bum if I don’t use a gun to protect my fellows soldiers who are getting killed. It is simply not done, Nitin ji.
Sir there is a guy named aniruddh from Study IQ TH-cam channel Which is for UPSC aspirants made a video that galwan valley has been captured by Chinese army.
Is it true!
Yes
Untrue.
@@vinamrasinghai2339 No.
@@varunv.chadha492 Sorry I was wrong, I got confused between lake and valley.
Nehru , manmhohan , modi or anyone in the future who sit on that chair has no guts stand up to dragon . There is something very big thing still has been hidden from Indian public . Just imagine if modi is opposition leader what would he say to us ? Very big difference guys!
it is not not a INDO CHINA BORDER. BHARAT_TIBET. KAILASH _MANAS SAROVAR PART OF BHARAT. HINDUSKUSH KARAKORAM TRANS HIMALAYAN REGION BHARAT
when we allow to more and more encroachment. who will die. this happened so far. onus must be on the past govts. will they responsible. credit they take.. peace can be maintained.
most importantly attack china and start doing same salami slicing of china and opening fronts and probbing to keep Chinese occuipied and in defensive position. Increase navy subs & destroyers by mass producing them at war footing - as next most important will be indo Pacific. Tejas and other variants production to be ramped up to 100 units a year. Its hard but not impossible.
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PayPal supports international debit card
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Sir china has broken the agreement
I think we should join NATO
For security n safety against Chinese attack
If we had NATO army in our border
We can do same thing with china
In other critical area around LAC
We should also captured those patrolling point in future
To teach Chinese a lesson
You cannot join Nato. Which agreement? You tried doing that in 1962. It is not possible to establish a strategic base in the Indian side. What is the point of getting Independence then?
To cut the chase... Gloves are off. Any more transgression shd be met by fierce and heavy hand and use of brutal force. Lets give them taste of how an hot border shd be. And raise human and other associated costs of manning the LAC.
Not possible. India does not have the economy to have that. Chinese reserves + swf are 1.5 times of Indian economy. India is like Pakistan for China.
please make a hindi tutorial video aswell for a certain retired officer who now masquerades as a journalist...much needed.😬
Nitin, obviously you're Indian but your videos are so one sided and completely biased. You need to state views from all sides and not just propogate the Indian stance. This is the reason why Indias neighbours detest India so much because India is so one dimensional.
Mr Nitin is the unofficial spokesman for Mr Modi.
Gandhi commie chaatu spotted
Yes any body with knowledge & Clarity , should be a MODI Fan !!
He is a corrupt & cunning Sonia Gandhi/Vadars Congress loyalist
Not upto the expected information we get from you. We want to know actions of India on china. Rest all peace talks are bakwas
He's a journalist, not the Director General of Military Ops 😋