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The panel reacts to the Eagles' worst ever loss & what it means for Adam Simpson - Sunday Footy Show
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
- The Sunday Footy Show panel reacts to West Coast's horrific performance at the SCG against the Sydney Swans, which has brought even more pressure on coach Adam Simpson.
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The arrogance of Simpson and the CEO when they responded to Kane when he said 2 years ago they need to start rebuilding has aged beautifully, absolutely no sympathy for them.
Clearly your view is just very linear and you don't look at to be picture of people's lives. It is actually very difficult to trade away players when you're a western Australian club I tell you why is because we are so far from the eastern states asking 28 to 32-year-old players to suddenly up their whole life and family to the eastern states to play one or two seasons just will not wash. Remember trades are still driven by the fact that the player has to want to Go so it's not as easy for western Australian clubs because players have to up their whole life to the eastern states, where as a Victorian player that gets traded to a Victorian team doesn't even need to move house so think about what that would look like for a whole family to up themselves to the eastern states. You don't look at people as commodities. They are still human beings and people.
@@nevvanclarke9225cope
@@nevvanclarke9225that's still a cop out. It's not like they put any players on the table even if the players wanted to stay.Which is exactly what they're going to do at the end of the season so he's right they rebuilt too late.
@@athonpandopulos5209
They haven't been able to trade anyone because any player with some sort of value has been injured for the last 18 months. Their value has gone.
So what is the point in trading someone like Elliot Yeo for a 3rd round pick? Because that's all you'd get for him.
The kid West Coast draft will more than likely never be good enough to carve out an AFL career. So keeping Yeo around the club until his contract is finished is the better option as he can at least provide some leadership around the club and is still half decent when he does play.
What has happened at West Coast is the perfect storm. This year is supposed to be their first of the rebuild, but they haven't been able to do it as the kids they've drafted have also battled injury. It is madness.
@@nevvanclarke9225give me a break..look at soccer, basketball etc, these players move all around the world and you're making reasons for an Australian changing states😂
TJ has no clue how bad it is, Lloyd and Kane both know what effort looks like in game and what senior players are supposed to be doing, West Coast is in a pit of their own creation and TJ is kicking up a fuss that people are calling them out once again.
Eagles will bottom out in 2024 and 2025 as veterans retire. By end of 2025 they would have had 5 years of early draft picks. By 2025 over half of the team will be under 22. Last two years its just been injuries, don't believe the shockjocks. The bottom 10 players are getting regular games and guys are being played out of position. Only 26 fit this week. I heard they had 9 players under 21 in the team.
Swans could have just kicked all behinds and would have still won the game.
The only way West Coast could have won is if Sydney kicked only behinds and West Coast kicked only goals, and the margin would have only been 4 points
If West Coast have another heavy loss next week then Adam Simpson will be sacked or pulls the pin before they sack him.
If anybody should be walking out the door at West Coast it should be the recruitment team.
Not the coach!
All a coach can do is go with the players you got.
Simpson is a good coach.
Clubs with a good culture have good integrity and morals period.
Simpson literally plays a large part of the recruitment process and his ridiculous insistence on not going back to the draft after 2020 that has got them where they are now. Very much like Clarko in his final sour years at Hawthorn.
@@taliamason7986
Not go back to the draft??
What did they do with pick 3 last season?
The list managers and recruiters were all revamped 24 months ago. New assistatn coaches last year. New fitness teams at the end of last year. Cornes and Barrett know all this. But you keep hearing them being dishonest and misleading. The changes have been made. They've spent 2 years going hard for kids in the draft and loading up draft picks. The only criticism comes to them needing to explain 2 year extensions. But that's not impacting recruiting. They're on track, it will just take time. Last two years its been injuries. But next 2 years will be tough as guys retire. Their best players are the veterans virtually every week.
@@taliamason7986 interesting point?
Its hard to see how the elite level can have such big losses .. I watched Melbourne do this a decade ago .. The eagles aren't turning up to play anymore .. Regardless of how bad the Dees got Nathan Jones would play his guts out and give everything he had no matter what - Legend 😈🤘
Have you ever seen a club that has been decimated with injuries we literally had 23 fit players to pick from for this team... You look at North Melbourne have actually been pretty much injury free all season by one or two players. They've only won one more game than what we've won and Hawthorne they've had pretty much a full list pic from and they were pretty trashy last year. They have one what is it three games or four. No team in the history of the game has had this many injuries. In fact, there were two guys out there yesterday he got injured during the game that should've come off but couldn't. Yep, I'm defending my club because that's what diehard supporters do we don't sit here and trash our club and burn our memberships on call for sackings like Carlton and all those Victorian clubs do and then they find those Victorian clubs take 10 or 15 years to rebuild our rebuild will probably happen in 2 to 3 years because we've always done that and that's okay. This is just our turn to suck. We are not like North Melbourne have sucked for 10 years. We are not like Carlton he sucked for 15 years, we are not like Essendon who sucked for 20 years.....
@@nevvanclarke9225 Even if the reserves team played it's unlikely they would be 200 points different.. It's more than injuries mate
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@@nevvanclarke9225 Dockers under Harvey had the longest injury list on record and the West Coast media said no excuse. Suck it up Buttercup.
@@nevvanclarke9225 bahahaha you're both wrong and a sook. Also, why would you not have injuries like that when you kept half a dozen guys on your list who never get on the park. You keep 1-2 at most and you bid the others farewell.
The trading and list management has been so laughable and the problem is almost everyone from the pundits to the bloke at the pub have been onto it.
No talk about how good the swans were, just how bad WC are? Not good sportsmanship
I’m sorry, did Damo just say “I’m not one to call for sackings”? Excuse me?
Barrett and Cornes have been calling for sackings. They're shockjocks with no credibility. Makes Caro look like a saint.
How many flags has Hinkley won? Simpson could have 2 more losing seasons and still be a more successful coach than Hinkley.
...because Sheed's kick stayed straight. If it had veered right by half-a-degree, Simmo would have been fired months or a year ago, and Bucks would be looking for his second (or third?) flag. Footy is fickle -- you can't judge coaches or players just by flags.
I dont think ive listened to any of these clips and not heard Kane not mention his love child Jason horne francis. And yes he is having a better second year at port than his first season at North where he bucked the system so to speak so as to go home to south aust. However athough he is doing great at Port im not sure he is as outstanding as kane pumps him up to be. I think butters, Rosie, pal pepper are the life blood in the outstanding season the power are having.
The solution us simple. Bring Cuz back. Go back on the gear. Go Bloods.
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one. Cornes has a media job to do but I don’t think WC cares one iota about what Kane thinks. I’m not sure anyone does to be honest
1:30 That's the back page of the Sunday Times, not The West Australian.
It's literally got the name in the top left hand corner of the page.
Barrett is so cringe, non-stop melodramatic dribble from week to week. Hes the sort of guy that will look for negatives after a side wins a premiership
...provided the side is not named "Richmond" or "Geelong". And if the side is named "Hawthorne"...
Well Damien Barrett just proved that he knows nothing about two Sports. That Langer comment is HILARIOUS
7 of the top 100 highest paid players in the league. Well there are 18 teams so on average each team has 5.5, and it's a competition with a salary cap floor. In the next year or two Gaff, McGovern, Shuey etc. finish those contracts and then what? It's not the NBA, so whether you pay a handful of players a lot or spread it out across the list the payroll of 1st and 18th are pretty similar.
Eagles have gone with the idea of lots of kids being supported by older guys. But there is a lack of guys in their 20s. So hardly surprising that the veterans would be getting much of the money. Injuries have cruelled them so you have the worse 10 guys getting regular games.
When you look at the effort yesterday it's clear that the coach isn't doing a good enough job
effort??
@@totterdell ??
@@user-hj3kv3im8o you mentioned effort i was just saying that there was NO effort thats why i questioned it
I think it comes down to inexperience, lack of talent, lack of resilience... Guys are out of position because of so many injuries. Guys are mentally shot. Fact is not everyone is elite and can perform when the backs are to the wall. Coach can't do anything really to stop it. You can't drop guys as everyone is out injured. You can't even run them into form in the reserves. You can't work hard on the training track because you have 25 available for a match, but probably 6 are being rested during the week due to soreness. So you don't have enough to do proper drills and trial stuff. Coaches will look at who plays badly in these big losses and make a call.
I’m an eagles fan now I go for dockers .....
Agree with Kane for once
The most insipid team in our lifetimes. Worse than Fitzroy in 1996.
Not sure what TJ was trying to do there. Eagles have earned every criticism that Kane and even Damo can dish out. A ten-goal hiding in that match would have been understandable given the bottom twelve talent level, but there were too many experienced players on the park for the Eagles to give up thirty-one goals and fifty scoring shots on seventy-seven inside 50s. The word "unacceptable" keeps being thrown around, but how many of those veterans will still return for another go-round next year?
Where would this conversation be if Sheed's kick from the boundary in '18 had drifted right by one degree?
They need the veterans to remain. I would consider trading Sheed as he has value. Gaff and Darling may be worth a third rounder. I hope Shuey and Hurn remain as they are amongst the best players and their leadership is invaluable.
Perfect footy. One of the best games I've seen for many a year.. Fantastic stuff
West Coast players have simply given up and don't care simple not Simpson's fault.
the scary thing for West Coast is that things will get worse as older players retire…..a 3-40 record now could get far worse
Kane is absolutely right, not sure why TJ feels the need to continue to defend that club.
Cornes makes stuff up. He doesn't know anything about Freo or West Coast. Same with Barrett and Caro. You hear stuff from those guys and they're either ignorant or deliberately misleading. They have no credibility. I don't know how accurate they are on Victorian clubs.
Kane's story about young players not wanting to go to the Eagles should be looked at by the AFL and he should be reprimanded, that sort of behaviour is going too far even for him.
As a rising prospect why would you want to enter a club that doesn’t even try?
It's harsh, but it's true
Now theyre asking for a priority pick, no. They threw away picks to try and keep their window open....reap what you sew, any draft concession would be a moral hazard.
Sign me up , never played or coached “footy” . This gives me hope I can improve the eagle status… I can be involved for free
Can’t imagine it is easy to perform with a revolving injury list and playing such a high number of inexperienced kids. I know this game had a number of senior players back in but they wont be at full capacity. Can’t imagine spending 9 days in hospital and then coming out to play so quickly afterwards is good. The other thing is the injuries are probably made worse by having such a young and/or not conditioned players coming in. Agree with some of the recruiting, TK not worth the trade, AG i rated in years past for his stamina but the game has is faster and these 2 players are not. Effort in this game was a joke though from many. Not much a coach can do, can’t drop anyone at the moment.
Guys are being played out of position, anyway as long as Shuey and Hurn are around they'll keep up the leadership.
You would think Kane, who though it pains me to say it arguably played in a worse side, 2011/12 Port, could maybe show some empathy and sympathy for the situation the Eagles find themselves in? After all, it’s not that long ago, we had tarps on seats at football Park, no major sponsors, and opposition club CEOs genuine questioning, whether our AFL playing license should be terminated. You think Ollie Wines to the draft saying to us you can draft me if you want, no way am I staying?
Its like he's completely forgotten the cyclical nature of football teams in the long term, his employers must love him though, any publicity is good publicity.
I do think rebuilding is more damaging for certain clubs though, objectively this won’t impact West Coast in the same way it would Sydney, Brisbane, Port, or Carlton for different reasons. Kane could take an unbiased approach explaining both what it is like, playing in a team, performing to that level, and how quickly it can be turned around, but he’d rather just take cheap shots because he has a vendetta against one of their players.
I'm not sure what's meant by the stat about having 7 players in the top 100 earners. The league average is 6, so what's the significance of what he's saying?
Cause they all deserve 25k a year based on their performance
This is the result of a club not having 2 pre-seasons due to injuries, and the 2 most injury ravaged seasons in AFL history.
They are left with kids who aren't ready for AFL footy yet. Kids that should be developing in the WAFL, then gradually introduced into the first team.
And they are left with senior players who are nowhere near as fit as their opponent because they are playing injured, have just returned from injury or missed another preseason. For some players, it is all 3 of those.
The Eagles injury run is unprecedented, which is why they are now losing at unprecedented levels.
Sacking the coach and CEO does not improve the fitness of the 43 players on the list. Sure, sacking the club doctor, physio, sports scientists, etc, makes a lot of sense because they have not been doing their job. The club have announced a month ago they are looking to employ the best medical team in the world of sport.
To just say the coach is no good, the CEO has been there for too long and the players aren't trying is just a lazy observation. Look at the reasons why the coach appears to be struggling, look at why the players appear to not be trying. It all comes back to fitness!
This is a club who overpaid players, admittedly let standards slipped during COVID - lol that they were the team that didn't handle COVID well - traded and drafted terribly - Tim Kelly on $800k a year and Geelong gets Cooper Stevens, De Koning, Josh Kenkins and 2/3rds of the Cameron deal and almost all of his wage, bahahahahaha. WTF?!?!?! All for a guy out of contract that wanted to come home. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. That is not how you win football.
Also when you don't put in the work, and keep so many players on your list with terrible injury history, what do you expect to happen? Clubs would have given up something for Yeo, Shuey, Hurn, Nic Nat.
The injury list has also been greatly exaggerated and there are a ton of players who have been on it who are the kids and are nobodies. What was the excuse on the weekend? Didn't have enough from Jordyn Baker, Coby Burgial or Greg Clark.
"Tim Kelly is terrific when he wants to get a handball receive or an uncontested mark" - he's currently sitting just outside top 10 for clearances, contested possessions and he's third for ground ball gets in the league. He's actually changed his game this year to try to help out more in an inside role. Easy to start pointing fingers in a situation like this but lets not all go full Kane Cornes here with the sensationalist click-bait stuff and be rational. 17 players on the injury list currently (this week actually better than most) while other clubs have as few as 4. There isn't a lever or button a new coach or CEO can press to fix things this year, but we can certainly downgrade and make things worse with a knee-jerk response by sacking someone because some washed "journos" decided its time to make them a sacrifice.
The Eagles are producing the most unprofessional performances you will ever see in elite level sport. Sack the lot of em.
Sumich will jump in there going of his newspaper column he knows how to solve it
If this was a Vic club the hierarchy would be long gone, either by their own accord or pushed. The Eagles had top tier players who played their guts out, time after time, they gave all they had for the club, nobody can ever blame the players. The whole lot of the management should be held responsible for where the club is, but they are so arrogant they tell everyone that they are the ones to fix the problems that they created. Simple thing is, it seems maybe too many people have been in jobs way,way past their use by date.
As Lou Richards said to define coaches .. "there is a sacked coaches club and a club of coaches that are going to be sacked "
they have 25 players to pick from nothing can or will change this year and if it does it will do nothing. what's a review going to tell you. get in the draft strengthen development get better at fitness and health it's pretty obvious what needs to be done.
Most of the injuries have been flukey broken bones and joints. The only common thread is ankle injuries. Not sure who straps their ankles. Eagles will have some poor years going forward for sure. Last two years have just been injuries which couldn't be helped.
What the hell do you want WCE coach to do with so many outs?
It’s definitely a mitigating factor but 170 point losses are inexcusable. It’s not just personnel. Simpson played a very different style of football when they won the premiership: very one dimensional, direct to the Eagles plethora of top tall players, when Mitchell was the midfield coach. Since the flag their style of play has just looked more and more outdated as every season passes. Now they’re just completely uncompetitive.
Typical eastern states media fuking clueless when they're clubs go through that sort of stuff they want to sack the coach because that makes them feel good. It's interesting these media flogs he just sit there and cast judgement
Play much better with a more modern style of footy and actually compete. Stop relying so much on the washed up veterans in the first place just because they won a Premiership what 5 years ago and actually inspire some confidence in the young talent coming up for the future. Set some actual standards again and show some ruthlessness. Not be so downright negative and defeatist for the last 3 years.
Essendon in 2012 & Fremantle in 2011 had far worse injury lists and were still competitive
They have midfielders playing key position down back. Against Adelaide they wanted to play Waterman a forward flanker at full back. Then he got sick an hour before game. Freakish bad luck. He's now been in hospital for a week and won't be back for a while.
How good is it. Love it.
What’s changing the coach going to do, it’s the players that don’t care anymore
I think the consensus has been Simmo has been too soft on the players since 2019. Got the most out of them in 2018, hasn't worked at all well since 2020.
The players care, but clearly some aren't resilient. Fact is that no everyone is elite when it comes to mental approach. I think when the going gets really tough some players can't get up for the match.
Give Ben Cousins the coaching Job
He’d get them revved up with old fashioned white line fever!
Energy levels would be up
And they’d at least be able to run out games.
As a long time Eagles supporter we needed to be more ruthless with our list management. Yes we have had Covid and a terrible run with injuries but we are a financial powerhouse compared to most other clubs. It is now at the stage of being ruthless to show that you still have the stomach for tough calls. In these situations there if sometimes collateral damage but that is life !! It is like restructuring in any business … good people lose their jobs as well. We do not want be rebuilding for 5 years. Look at the Pies and the Cats !!! Doing nothing now sends the wrong message to everyone
West Coast made Sydney look good!
Browny & Chomps Shouldn't Defend This & Wonder What Benifit In 🔥 Simmo Is. CHANGE MUST HAPPEN! NOW😈
1:37 Everyone's an expert, everyone's a critic. Shame the peabrains don't know that the plural of "goose" is "geese".
Eagles don't deserve to be called Geese after that slop, "gooses" it is!
West coast should turn pick 1 into the best 2 or 3 west Australian in next year's draft
Eliminate the go home factor
Yep! You did that last draft.
I actually think you should pick best available player,
If the best kid wants to go home to Melbourne then you get a haul back in picks and go again.
Only targeting WA kids will set you guys back as he might not be the best talent in the pool.
@adamyup7086 but if the 2 from WA are top 10 players in this year's draft rather that and not waste 2 year's on someone leaving
Picked a bad year to suggest this given the Gold Coast Suns academy would probably beat the WA Under 18's. They're better off taking Reid and flipping him for picks and/or players in two years time as a worst case scenario.
Kelly should had stayed at Geelong. Would had won a Premiership. He a serous good player playing in this crap
Thought Simpson was supposed to have a break.
6:50 Our tackling skills/effort have been horrific for years.
If young players don't want to go there, they should suck it up. The club has to have a bit of pride, otherwise it's not going to get better. Joe Burrow originally said he's going to refuse to play for the Bengals. He got drafted by the Bengals and turned the team around.
We don't have a QB position in football. Also the ownership and management of that team also changed, so it wasn't just Joe.
I would go, but I wouldn't sign an extension until I saw the club was doing something to change. If you have 10-12 years of a football career, why waste it at a place surrounded by incompetent people you have no opportunity to change?
imagine playing them twice hey hey hey
sacking simmo wont help the club getting players back from injury will
West Coast can be positive. Look at what happened to Melbourne in 2011. And from that we went on to hire the messiah and saviour, Mark Neeld.
Eagles shouldn't be too worried. If not for injuries they'd be 13th this year. Then 15th to 18th for 2024 and 2025, and then bouncing back. That will give Eagles 5 years of strong drafts. They will have over half the team under 21 by then. Veterans will be largely gone. Next two year bottom out more as veterans retire. Injuries and Covid have enable kids to get more experience and access to early draft picks and mid season picks. Also, showed the guys that lack resilience.
Kane cornhole should of been in that sub.
Kelly left the cats for the eagles
Good move champ
Jeez you’re up to date with breaking relevant news aren’t you
Well done champ
I take the wce job I make sure they lose by 250pts
Kane is such a bell end
If only they would sack TJ. He has no idea what he is talking about.
Kane is spot on about there senior players. Sheed, shuey, gaff and even darling don’t give a toss. Would love to know how much leadership these guys show behind the scenes
Not ready to throw Boots, Duggan, or Hunt to the wolves, but I don't think any of the rest need to have a game with the Eagles beyond 2023
Shuey has been in the best 3 for Eagles virtually every game he's played this year. If he retires it will be devastating. He has been outstanding before and after that spell, when he wrenched his ankle in the tackle. Sheed I think is a receiver and could be someone that can be traded out. Gaff is playing injured, but they can't rest him because there is no one to bring in. Darling out of form for sure. If Cornes is saying that then its quite inaccurate and dishonest. Guys like Hurn Shuey Kelly and Yeo have been really strong. McGovern remains Eagles best player.
Is there a bigger arrogant flog in football than Kane?
He's best on ground for being everyones most hated football sensationalist. We thought Hutchy was bad, not even close, we thought Damo Barrett was bad, he's just a drop in the ocean of Kane making mountains out of molehills every week.
@@RogueAI1679 100 percent. Well said.
He did survive. Glad the media had no say what so ever. Tools.
Simple solution:
16 Players per side + zoning within the field of play
When you have a salary cap and you MUST pay duds a minimum amount that’s the problem.
You can pay up to 95%. You can also pay people who aren't on your team. No reason they couldn't have traded out Yeo, NicNat, Hurn, paid their wages, gotten even better picks back because teams will overpay a little because they don't have to eat the wage. You pay 95% for 3 years and you then get to pay 105% for 2 years because you get to bank it.
Geelong got pick #7 and Bowes for nothing last year. West Coast could have done that, difference is Geelongs best player on $900k is a top 5-10 in the comp type. Eagles are paying Kelly roughly the same and he was never better than the 3rd best midfielder at Geelong.
Look at what Collingwood did. Traded out Treloar, Stephenson and Gawn, Sitting on the top of the ladder and have salary cap to spare.
@@tin-n-tan spot on. McGovern is one guy that comes up in reverse salary dump proposals for West Coast as well.
@@thomas.i.mcgill
The clubs that win football are those who can self evaluate correctly.
I don't see any point sacking the coach, I will let it play out until his contract expires and potentially place some inexperienced coaches under his mentorship to elevate themselves. If they are rebuilding there isn't much to lose.
Let Simpson make calls on guys at season end. I wonder if the assistants will survive.
not a fan of kane BUT he is absolutely correct here
Cornes makes stuff up. In Perth you hear what he says about Dockers too and he just makes it up.
And all the expensive West Coast players, all injured, will be another year older and slower. Bad recruiting and holding onto players too long when they should have done a Hawthorn and traded some for draft picks to keep the youth flowing through. Will be a decade of rebuilding if the players they build stay.
Hawthorn are a few years ahead in the rebuild. In two years time Eagles will have over half the team under 22. Which is where Hawthorn is at now. Its a silly comparison really.
@@BDub2024 I think the big difference will be the quality of the youth. The Eagles youngsters I don't think other clubs would recruit if given the chance. The Eagles have them on their list from necessity, not from talent.
@@Hunty49 Not quite right. The 12 guys that they've got in the last 2 drafts and midseason drafts are really good. Mostly picked up in the first 3 rounds. Its the guys 21 to 25 that are missing. So you have the young and the old. The middle of the road guys like Jamieson West O'Neill H Edwards Clark were all out injured anyway. For sure they wouldn't be in many teams squads. They just have to get over the injuries, so there can be the stability to keep pumping time into the kids.
@@BDub2024 If they decide to do wholesale changes, I wonder if there is enough players out there able to perform at AFL level? Mature aged players? Just anything to at least have them competitive the last half of the season.
@@Hunty49 You always have a few guys that have hit 25 and are good team men but maybe not quite good enough in a strong team. So can come in, train hard and set high stadards. They don't have to be superstars.
Its a mexican stand off with Simmo & the Eagles if he quits he loses 30 months pay if they sack him they have to pay him out.
This is completely the fault of the list/recruiting managers.
You can always walk in and say, I'll walk, pay me out. They'll do it.
And the fitness and conditioning staff
@@tin-n-tan As if his people havent already havent done that ... Duh
Yeah WCE won't win a game of footy for 50 years if nothing is changed. Tasmania will have 5 premierships by then. As Eddie said, we can't have West Coast - one of the biggest clubs in the game - be this bad in the competition.
Harley Reid should demand a trade to Victoria.
Reid will be good for sure. But you'd expect other players to end up being better from that draft. Eagles could swap for three youngsters in first round. Otherwise get Reid in and give him consistent games. He's a country kid and would be very comfortable in WA. Eagles don't lose many recruits do they.
@@BDub2024 Either GWS, North, Melbourne or Hawthorn could get him maybe. But that will of course have to be a massive trade done during the trade period like the JHF mega trade. I reckon it will take 2 first round picks and some to get it done.
GWS looks the most likely option if they decide to trade Pick 1. The Giants can trade what is currently Pick 5 and Pick 7 in this year's draft, and add to that a future first for Reid. I'm sure the Eagles would take that.
North could trade Pick 2 and Pick 17 in this year's draft and add a future first for Reid. Pretty good for WCE considering Pick 2 is the next best after 1.
Melbourne is an interesting one because they have an extra first this year after the Jackson trade last year. They would trade what is currently Pick 8 and Pick 15, along with a future first for Reid.
Hawthorn is a bit of a bolter in this one. The Hawks could trade Pick 3, a future first (which will likely be high compared to the other teams, maybe except North), and Denver Grainger-Barras (Pick 6 from the 2020 draft, also a WA boy). Perhaps not as good as the other teams but definitely something the Eagles could use.
Overall, I think it's up to Harley. If Reid says he's fine heading West to play for the worst club in the comp, then they'll pick him. If not, I reckon he'll be at the Giants. The other clubs only have a small chance imo.
@@absxx618 I reckon Melb is very keen to bring elite talent in. I reckon Eagles should go all out for youth this year. But Cal Twoomey reckons they should spread their draft selections over 3 years. But I'd get the bodies in now. Let the young guys all come through. Eagles and Dorkers are both great clubs for Vic country recruits. City is still 2 million. But you have a lot of outside sporty stuff to do and great weather. So that's why its always appealing.
Couldn’t happen to a better club. ⚓️
Interesting analysis, admits that things probably won't improve for the next 10+ games, but move on the couch anyway? weird
He's ruining his legacy at the eagles now IMO. His starting midfield was kelly shuey yeo gaff. 4 senior players who've heard his voice for too long.
Is this a question?
I remember saying that West Coast are in bigger trouble than North Melbourne last year, and so many laughed at me.
no they didn't. lol..
Tony Jones , cash it in .
Total flog
why would we sack simpson? he won a flag 4 years ago. name a single coach who could perform under these conditions?
TJ can't handle the truth
Don't judge the man based on having no list:) What the???
How many coaches will win a game with 25 players to pick from.
Simpson, 10 years , 2 Grand finals , 1 premiership.
Hinkley ?
Your a muppet Kane
Coaches always get the gong when a team of so called professionals fails. The players are highly paid to produce the goods. How is the coach responsible when a team of professionals fails??
This team would struggle vs VFL side...
Rubbish. AFL is miles ahead. I can give exact examples.
Let’s add another team to the league though…
And then the media publish they wanna add a 20th license over in North Perth or in Geraldton not viable only New Zealand could pull it off 🇳🇿
Okay we can. if you say so
take away the no.1 draft pick, then there will be no tanking from anyone.
Just give eagles 20 players on the ground and 5 goal head start to get beaten by 15 goals
Don't worry Eagles fans - Nic Nat will soon be back and will play for another 8 years without injury and the current situation is all part of Simmo's dynamic action plan. Yep.
Eagles are hung over with decades of parties wink wink
Kane focusses and frames TOO much on the negative.
It is unhelpful and can be damaging to teams/players.
as said in the show... Kane kept 'Dancing on their graves'...after a long discussion of Eagles poor performance. Unnecessary.
Just like his negative framing around Taranto.
He's gotta pull his head in and follow his own advice and stop dragging the game down
Kane is an ex player, and whilst the toothie one seems to think his criticism is mean, Kane is only delivering what every player in the Eagles outfit is thinking. "that effort was not AFL standard" - Every club has plans for their future and to withstand that slide to the bottom as your older stars retire and young ones take time to mature has become very important in the culture of every club and feeder club in the AFL. They are miserable in the West for sure. A proud club that got it horribly wrong between 19+23 . In fact it is the 19-23 brigade that was ignored beyond 2018. Now the paddock is full of broken down aging stars and the youngun's are left to fend for themselves. No quick fix here......... full rebuild, 3+ years before the big birds are competitive again. Me... I might take up stadium golf in the meantime, the footy is too painful to watch.
I feel the wokness entering TJ
define wokeness
He meant wok-ness, as in, using a wok, a great tool for stir frys.
@@samiam7241 someone like yourself
@@eros7504 an example is not a definition, please try to think harder
Duggan booting the ball that high to no one, done all the hard work to actually gain possession, then just boots it as high as he can and hope someone would take a mark. Thats why I think Footy players are mentally challenged. How about you place the kick to your teammates advantage.
I think that's confidence. I saw Yeo do the same and kick a punt straight to Allen's opponent.
@@BDub2024 truth is i see it every week in every game. Just looks so unprofessional and it always ends up in a turnover. Why not actually aim for a teammate and try to execute
@@3pledubs In Eagles case a bit of confidence being shot. They're going down the line a lot more than planned.
@@BDub2024 you can say that but i still don't think it should be accepted when a professional just blazes away, i'd rather see him turn it over trying to hit a target. A kick high and long to me says you have little to no brain activity in regards to your profession.
TJ must have mates over there …
The voice in his ear was directing traffic- he was just playing his role.
Simpson coached them to a flag.....no other coach is going to achieve with this rabble. Recruiters and football manager need replacing, not the coach. Kane's reasoning to sack the coach makes no sense....."a circuit breaker", seriously? He's right when he says no player would be wanting to go there....but this would go for coaches as well. Who'd want to coach this train wreck? Simpson has to stay.
Simpson plays a major part in the makeup of the current list and his sheer stubbornness to not blow it up and go back to draft when it was very clear they needed after 2020. Much like Clarko in his last years at Hawthorn. They need a huge change, new ideas, a more modern approach to playing and any kind of confidence because he is very clearly isn't the answer anymore nor the one to be able to handle the rebuild. Just give the job to Jaymie Graham who is much younger, very promising, WA born and bred, been around the club for years up until recently (obviously at Fremantle currently) and genuinely loves the club.
Bring back Ben Cousins on meth.
Run run run away
The flogs got flogged , arrogant flat track bullies ⚓️
He might not survive.. but the Eagles have to draw on their own reserves and pay out the contract .. or try and negotiate a figure .. that means he will need to go and take 2 yrs of contract, thereby not getting paid for the rest of this season.
They will bounce back and make finals come September
not sure who was telling TJ what to say but he contributed nothing to this discussion
It sounds like we might as well wipe the club out of the afl , because I’m sure there has never been a team play poorly and finish last before? These eastern staters have been waiting for our team to be down enough to stick the boots in and belittle every thing our state supports . I’m a Long time supporter and it’s very hard to watch but I’m staying through thick and thin!!
Arrogance have a look in the mirror
Kane and Barrett love their opinion more often negative….. so one sided! I feel for Simpson and his team, they’ve delivered what they can at the eagles but a senior coach isn’t the football GM….there are others in the chain so maybe a complete clear out not just one. However can’t wait to see Kornes get towel in his mouth and be told who’s the boss to shut up, his opinion is never positive for any team unless it’s port Adelaide hope they choke he crawls back into his hole …..
So NM, Adelaide, Gold Coast, Carlton, Essendon, St Kilda etc, they're all allowed the No. 1 draft pick while in disarray, but the Eagles aren't?
"Allowed"?
lol this aged well
TJ IS A TOOL
Agree.
"players wont want to go there".. every year players go to absolute cellar dwellars.
Needs another afl team.😂