JRB Chest Star Ideas
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2024
- I go through all the various suggestions and ideas I've received concerning how to improve the JRB chest star, which currently takes 1 A press to collect. For convenience, the suggestions shown in the video are:
00:00 Intro
00:14 #01 Use a dive recover to reach the star.
01:11 #02 Use a chest to help reach the star.
01:48 #03 Use the falling pillar to help reach the star.
02:10 #04 Slide kick to the star from a nearby rock.
02:53 #05 Use VSC to reach the star.
03:31 #06 Use horizontal speed to reach the star.
05:41 #07 Fall to the star from the starting area.
07:11 #08 Use a goomba to bounce into the star.
08:18 #09 Clone the star.
09:52 #10 Clone a goomba to help reach the star.
11:12 #11 Collect the star during the cutscene.
Not surprisingly, all of these ideas end up failing for one reason or another. For some of these, I've shown them or alluded to them in previous videos. For others, I'd been planning on covering them in the next disappointing observations video. However, since there were so many various ideas, I figured it would be simplest to remove them from that video and instead give them their own dedicated video. This video should settle all the current JRB chest star suggestions, and allow me to simply link this video should anyone make these suggestions in the future.
For more info on VSC, watch this video: • Vertical Speed Conserv...
For more info on sliding speed and speed conservation, watch this video: • Sliding Speed and Spee...
For more info on slippery surfaces and the C^ trick, watch this video: • Frame Walking Tutorial - เกม
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I feel like these videos could easily be renamed to "I've already tried these things guys, please stop emailing me."
PaxtheDreamer 255 likes with no comments
Isaac SMM only two comments in a top comment in 3 years is though
@Skeleton Masher Can’t tell if this is a joke, but if it isn’t, a dive recover doesn’t give enough height to collect the star (unfortunately). I mean, just look at the first suggestion disproved in the video
it seen that the trend is for someone to reply every year
@@henriquekirchheck I was just about to do this year's reply! Damn you!
1:43 "and even if Mario manages to become dead-center in a chest, all that happens is that he won't be pushed out. But this still doesn't help accomplish anything"
I disagree. Now you have a Mario in a chest.
This made me laugh way more than it should
@@goldenwarrior1186 what
@@ej-jz5rc I think whatever I replied to got deleted (I deleted my reply to avoid confusion)
@@goldenwarrior1186 you replied to pamka
@@ej-jz5rc maybe I somehow replied in the wrong thread?
Man that triple star spawn was amazing though
yo an unnoticed bismuth comment? pog
@@DoorknobPlus very much
3rd
Hi
you gonna do it or what
0:34 "(I've attempted this more times than I'd like to admit, simply out of boredom and desperation)"
This line applies in so many fields of my life.
6 years and half later, the chest star is now dead (kind of, it's 0.5x, but still an a press save), using precisely the idea on 3:31
don't say kind of, I'd say it's a 100% win :)
@@ZerolinGDit's 100% win, but the press is only 50% dead
That feel when you start up a Pannenkoek video damn-well knowing that it's nothing but crushed hopes and dreams from the get-go., :(
_"hopes and dreams"_
You're filled with DETERMINATION!.... no wait, no no no pls no
Please stop. It's a common phrase unrelated to Undertale beyond being the name of one of the songs on the soundtrack.
Felix Blazik
Who cares, let them make references to things they like, not hurting anyone.
That feeling when you had hope but it still gets crushed and it feels even worse.
wendy's: its like visiting a McDonalds
still waiting for the day when pannen makes a video show 9 ideas that fail and then the tenth actually works.
He wouldn’t do that, if there was a working idea then he’d just show that.
@@want-diversecontent3887 Hes a very straight forward man eh?
@@aturchomicz821 no, he simply is a researcher more than a youtuber
@@ndre90 he's a mario 64 theoretical physicist
@@ENCHANTMEN_ scientist
at least it's still kinda funny to see mario inside the chest...
Yeah, "inside the chest" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
maio in a box what will he do
@@daguido742 commit several war crimes intentionally violating the Geneva Convention
Pannenkoek: "So we can't collect this star because of reasons. Do you wanna see a super in-depth graph detailing these reasons?"
Viewer: "well not rea-"
Pannenkoek: "TOO BAD HAVE A GRAPH"
I love it
I LOVE HIS GRAPHS
Pannenkoek: "So we can't collect this star because of reasons. Do you wanna see a super in-depth graph detailing these reasons?"
Viewer: "Yes, of course"
Pannenkoek: "Ok"
Peasant's Rondo mcdonalds
im lovin it
Could you not collect this star in the demo and thus any A presses wouldn't count towards the actual file?
i do
I gotta say, this star is easily the most frustrating. The star is literally *right there*, and it feels like surely one of our techniques should easily get that star, but no! If only the devs placed the star slightly lower 😔
Ikr it's infuriating
Or made the ship slippery
I honestly think the ABC challenge would be worse without this seemingly easy star being so out of reach. Taunting us. Torturing us. Some other stars just have so many obstacles, but this... we will break this. We'll find something
good news
What about the box star in PSS
Love that this video is finally obsolete! :D
This video was made because one of the developers probably got a twitch on his hand which forced the star a few units higher.
This is one of my favorite TH-cam channels.
Hi
Agreed
YTSunny yes
yeet
Have you subscribed?
Ok, so basically we are left with almost no options. We know that there's no way to gain additional height, as we know that from trying to get out of the cage in SSL. The only way we could do this is A: discover a new glitch that allows us to clone using a shell or gain height randomly, or B: have Nintendo re-release super Mario 64 everywhere with all the Japanese glitches and make some of the damn stars spawn lower to the damn ground.
Or just change the Goombas in JRB to scuttlebugs.
And it turns out Suggestion #6 is finally what brought it down to 0.5 A presses!
Never has a topic so dry and technical made me feel so disappointed in the fundamental unfairness of the world.
Audiblade He won't press your icon.
its not blue so it aint real
Crazy that this is one of the final 14.
not the final 13 tho
@@markoadam6619 it do be gone
Got recommended this after the JRB Treasure of the Ocean Cave 0.5xA. Interesting to see submitted ideas vs what was done to solve the issue. Very cool.
This is the remaining A press that fascinates me the most. There's so many ways that can almost solve it that I feel like we're just one small mechanical discovery away from breaking one of them open. The fact the different near-solutions are all so different is also really interesting, because that small mechanical discovery could be almost anything and it might relate to one of them. I just know we will see this one solved one day and I can't wait to see what does it!
maybe if there was a way to clone the koopa shell?
the ones that fascinate me the most are the slide and wmotr
I think the worse part is that all stars within Tick Tock Clock are now possible yet this star still remains the one which is currently impossible.
Would honestly be hilarious if all stars were possible EXCEPT this one.
Edit: Welp, looks like I have to eat my words. The mad lads did it. Hats off.
wow, you nailed it. we got it
@@mistabean9272 No way! It’s been done? Super exciting!!
I can’t wait to see which one of the methods did it, haha
DAMN! If only they included a useless-in-regular-gameplay cork box
If only I could time travel back and add 2 bob-ombs, on this level and in BitFS before the pole to clone the goombas for goomba ladder.
While you're at it, add a goomba cluster to Tick Tock Clock.
ComputerCat
No, only goombas in the triangle formation.
groszak1 well in that case you might as well just lower the star
You should make one of these videos right after you discover a new way of getting a star. Then you can throw everyone for a loop by having one of the suggestions actually work.
I always hope with these videos he'll do it some time
"Dive recover into a cloned bob-omb explosion boosted by a 100-coin star dance: Huh, how about that."
*comments go absolutely ballistic*
That would be great. It wouldn't even be the last suggestion, it would just be somewhere in the middle to make sure you were paying attention.
I would never do that. If I try something that works, then I don't have to make a video showing all the failed suggestions. Instead, I'd just make a video showing the thing that did work and call it a day. Throughout ABC history, many difficulties have been solved by some technique, at which point there was no more point of focusing on all the other techniques that didn't work
In fact, I deliberately postpone making videos of this type, because if just one idea succeeds, then I don't have to make the video at all. So it's like I'm holding out hoping that something works. But eventually when I give up, I'll document all the ideas so that other people can take a look at my progress so far and future-me can easily return to the video to see if I missed anything if new info/techniques come about
I'm so early the A button hasn't even been released yet.
nice avatar
thanks bb
This star is laughing at us right now. So close yet so fucking hard to reach.
Our goal is to Clone in JRB. We can do this ABC crew
After 4 years, still waiting...
I honestly came back hoping for new ideas and I keep trying to think of new ones, but there seems to be absolutely no way.
four years and just nothing. damn
How to get all stars in zero A presses..
Rebind the jump key to B
That's a joke by the way, keep up the work, you always find a new way to amaze me ;)
And then you can’t grab objects, and then you can’t get the very first star from the very first level. :3
Even better: play the game on a emulator and use a keyboard not including the a button
Then you can just map B onto a different button. Put something useless on A, such as C-up or L or a d-pad direction. Problem solved.
Rebind A to 5* Would that work :3
is there such thing as a B button challange ?
And there was me thinking that the treasure chest star was one of the easiest to get in the game...
That moment at 11:09 when it's shown that the goomba's lower body is actually a ball
Well, maybe we _could_ shave off half an A press...
Random Question:
Could you do a documentation on the Mario behind the Mirror? What interactions does He have, what happens if he got damaged, etc, etc.
That would be cool.
I agree, this sounds interesting.
I've seen it before, including hacking to summon it outside the mirror. It doesn't have any collisions, just takes all its cues from Mario. Also pretty sure it doesn't move if outside the mirror room (there might be an object in there to indicate the center?), but it will walk into the non-mirror side if Mario noclips into the mirror
I don't know anything about it though
RESEARCH COMMENCE!
lol
I had a dream where I met Pannen irl and we managed to get this star 0x. Basically, we discovered it’s possible, under certain circounstrances to walljump by pressing B, which allowed us to collect the star.
Wow. Interesting.
Just use the A Bu-
**SLAP**
Yes, use the B button to slap, **B**
After all these years it's finally 0.5x A presses.
See you guys in another 6 years when it's finally 0x.
I was /just/ about to ask why you couldn't use the trajectory of collecting the 100 coin star like in your TF run, but then I remembered not only can you not collect 2 stars at once, but you can't clone anything in JRB, including sufficient coins to be close enough to the star
God, it's so fun learning all this stuff about the game from you
7:51 mario is mad that he isn't able to collect the star with 0x presses
For the record, I'm avidly watching this channel every day for updates, because though I am nowhere near as well versed in this game as you, I am as eager to see those A presses disappear. Please keep at it! Videos like this are always fascinating, seeing you explore a theory.
It's really nice to see more content lately. (with the other video posted the other day)
I really love your videos and I've been watching them a lot lately.
could you HSWS on the ship? you're said that most slopes you can frame walk on dont work with the c^trick, but you also said there are some exceptions...
Hmmm, I'll test that
+pannenkeok2012 Yay!
Nope. The ship isn't slippery either: i.imgur.com/jMdtdit.gifv
+pannenkeok2012 Any glitches with the two sliding boxes?
There's just one sliding box. And no there's no known useful exploits there
What if you generated backwards speed on a slippery slope but used AB kicks instead of C^ to preserve speed, and then used that speed and jumped off the pillar?
LMFAOOOOOO
what a cheeky little star
it's probably enjoying how hard you're trying to collect it with your broken A button and all
I’m here from the future. He got it in .5 A presses finally
in the beginning I thought _Didn't you even think of the jump before the dive? you're literally the smartest sm64 person existing!_
Greetings from the future, we did it
new pannenkeok vid? watch immediately
Would crawling affect HSW at all, such as Mario's interaction with the ceiling in Suggestion 7? Or is crawling even possible during HSW?
I don't know, but I could test it
@@UncommentatedPannen did you?
@@connorgibes709 guess not
@@connorgibes709 th-cam.com/video/GJ1rcMMiyqw/w-d-xo.html
Sadly, it doesn't work. :(
For #6, you say there are no slippery surfaces in JRB. However, did you fully check the floating ship? Due to the oscillations, the main walls become slopes which are too steep to walk on, and so you might get an HSW out of them.
You are correct, for example the pillars in the way are extremely steep but not slippery.
He made a video on traveling up the ship by frame-walking. On a separate video, he said that if a slope can be frame-walked on, then the slope is non-slippery and therefore you wouldn’t be able to execute HSWS.
Kevin vs. Gamingz
There's an exception though. The pyramid. You can framewalk on it.
T Perm
But you can do the C^ trick
I don’t think the slippery slope would last long enough for HSWing to build up a significant amount of speed
I'm starting to think once you hit 25 a presses, it simply won't be possible to save anymore. Then we gonna have to do a B challenge run.
the hardest A press to save will be the last one cause of 0.5 a presses
About 40 or so a presses ago pannenkoek didn't think he could save any more, and yet here we are
Yea he was at 39 and dropped it to 31.
He has some no buttons challenges and some no joystick challenges. Maybe there's a way to do that.
+Daniel Baker The only real b save was manipulating the baby penguin to the cannon and using it to grab him. I think plush did this.
This is genuinely really really interesting, thank you
I learn more from this channel than i've ever in school
We've half done it boys
It's almost as if Nintendo knew that people would want to collect stars in unconventional ways and designed the level specifically to make it impossible.
At the same time there are so many stars that can be unconventionally collected without A, there are only 19 a presses remaining
It’s crazy to think that this A press out of all the ones that have been cut with crazy creative strategies still stands despite being so simple on the surface. Just a couple more units of height is all it would take
I like that you say infeasible instead of impossible.
So, in short, if we can figure out how to do any of the following things 0x, we can save an A press:
-DR 24 units higher somehow
-Clone objects using the shell
-Build up 90+ speed in the cavern somehow
-Get to the 500 h speed mark anywhere
-Activate VCS under the star
-Somehow get to a high enough vantage point where a slide kick can reach the star
-Acheive time travel and go back to 1995 and put a gomba cluster under the star
OTHER NOTES
-Can HSWing be repeated once you're forced out of the water? Does your h speed reset?
-Does getting the 100 coin star help at all?
- SCUTTLEBUG TRANSPORTATION????? (sorry for the meme)
ARC127 or just change jump to b
This is just a small joke
good luck conserving that speed to the star
How do you do scuttlebug transportation when there are no scuttlubugs?
Made my night fam.
i come back to this 5-year old video every so often when i want to relive the disappointment
Simply hold the A Button and jumpkick onto the star. Boom, JRB done in half an A Press.
kick doesnt supply enough height.
one day. we'll get it one day
We did it
This video is like a mystery themed blue balling
Hey pannen, someone mentioned last video if there was a way to keep the demo from ending at the designated time, and it got me thinking a little. What if there is text on screen from reading a sign or talking to a bomb buddy as the demo ends, or if you're in a cannon? In regular gameplay, it's impossible to exit the game or die with one of the above parameters in effect, so I'm curious how the game would respond.
The most likely possibility is for it to end anyway. Unless it's bound to some death system, but dying in the demo causes the music to reset.
Super late reply, but in Simpleflips’ Green Demon challenge he dies in all kinds of places, including in cannons and with text. All that happens is as soon as he lands or closes the text he dies and you can’t collect stars with 0 HP.
I don’t know if the demo would cause something different but death won’t effect those to situations.
Damn, over 4 years later and we have nothing that could help do this 0x
I'm convinced this has to be possible somehow
I love your videos. I've noticed that with the blue cap stage you will slide down the slide to get the red coins, but if you crouch and crawl you can crawl all the way back up to the top. I think you can also do this for the roof of Big Boo's Haunt as well. Have you ever thought about doing a video to explain this as it doesn't seem to me something that was programmed on purpose.
I get the feeling that if a way to kill the mystery goomba from BitS is ever found, a similar technique could be used to reach the star as per suggestion #8. So that's two birds, we just need to find the stone.
So, cloning would be the most promising should a new discovery be made.
Speed now. We can get 150 speed now.
Has anyone's random suggestion for saving A presses actually ever worked?
There's the perdo spot, but that's not exactly a "random suggestion."
Ric P it's not a "random" suggestion
Actually yes, pretty recently someone suggested a way to exit TTC with spawning displacement is the pit and the pedulums, which worked.
that person tested it and confirmed it worked though
If he did, he would give credit.
Looks like Suggestion 6 was the solution. Just took some extra work figuring out the route
Okay, so I'm just gonna throw a few ideas out here, and I apologize if a few of them seem ridiculous. I don't know if any of them will work, but I feel like they're worth mentioning. I really like Suggestion 6 in this video, and these ideas are for that suggestion:
1) Is there anything you can do with the box that slides back and forth on the ship's surface? Is there a way you can get that box to clip you into an area where you can build up speed?
2) Can the ship ITSELF be used in any way to build up speed? I don't know if it qualifies as a slippery surface, but can its slopes allow you to get into areas where you can build speed?
3) Since the entire cave section is beneath a ceiling, is there any sort of way to enter a "pedro spot?" As in, is there a way that you can gain enough height so that you can get stuck in an area where Mario technically gets stuck in the ceiling? And from there, would you be able to build enough speed?
Perhaps all of these ideas are not doable, but I just wanted to suggest them anyway. If I knew how to create .m64 files, I'd try 'em myself, but for the time being, I was just wondering if you'd be willing to test any of these. Thank you for your time, koek (keok), and I wish you luck with your A-button challenge!
(1) There is not any known way to exploit it. Even if it formed a pedro spot somehow, it moves, and so we couldn't stay in said pedro spot for more than a second.
(2) The ship is not slippery. If the ship formed a pedro spot, it wouldn't help, since it moves.
(3) A pedro spot requires a floor and ceiling in close proximity. This does not happen in the cave.
7:40, can we do anything with that vacant area above the star and left to the goombas ?
You can't stand on chests? Weird. I always thought you could.
On the DS version you can
You can in Ocarina of Time so it feels weird to see chests in SM64 that you can't stand on lol
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Kevin vs. Gamingz Giggity.
This is probably something that was checked already but.
Wouldn't it be possible to perform the hat in hand glitch to remotely throw the koopa shell mid-jump to the star or to give a boost using the koopa shell geometry ?
Is it in any way possible to use the tricks you just showed us in a recent video, the SSL 0x Speed Building Testing ones? You might reach the speed needed, but I don't think the slopes you have have the same stuff as in SSL. Just an idea.
keep it up, love it!
Have you tried both vertical and horizontal speed to reach the star?
The Slide Kick would work with 90 speed, so if you could manage to pull of 50 chained slide kicks, land on the rock with another chained slide kick, then you could chain another slide kick to the star?
According to your 100 Lap Video 90 speed is the exact amount that Slide Kicks cap at. (Though while recovering, not while landing, so maybe that destroys it already.)
andy02q
Slide kick recovering requires A.
In Thwomp 6x, the side kick recover at the end is actually a grind dive recover.
Oh cool we have no edge to grind on very helpful
Does the shell have an activation radius? If it does, is it possible to grab it, with hat in hand, where it would be very far away and unload, so that you'd essentially hold an unloaded shell?
if only the star was a bit lower, or the goomba zone was closer, or if there was a slippery surface anywhere in the level, or if you could clone in jrb, or if you could use vsc, or if you could stand on the chests, or if the falling pillar knocked you back enough, or if you could slide kick fast enough, or if the ceiling hitbox was lower... it feels like this star was intricately designed to be as close as possible to being collected without the a button as possible without being possible
The DS remake allows you to dive recover into the chest star.
Oh come on! Really?!
**displeasement**
Cant win 24 extra units over a single platform?
Lets Make TTC 0xA then
I have an idea! For suggestion 7, you could gain enough h speed at the starting area but not so much you would go into the ceiling, just the right amount so that you would be outside of the starting area without going into the ceiling, and then go forward so you fall into the star.
but that area is out of bounds, and mario can't go there either
The big issue with this star is the fact that from all that we've noticed, it requires yet another trick to be found to make it plausible
that, or one of the tricks found within the 6 years that this video has been up may be bendable to the point of being used to gain the necessary height or speed to make it to the star
There's also the shell, and the fact that there could be a way to somehow grab it fake... but alas, that is also something yet currently unknown to us.
that's exactly what happened lol, variation of trick found 5 years ago
"Let's examine these suggestions" - oh no... when I read this in one of your videos I know nothing will work :( As for the hyper speed water sliding - what properties does the side of the ship have? You managed to walk up there, but what kind of wall is it? like the pillars (and thus useless)? This star is so annoying! It's hanging right in front of you but just a tiny bit too far away, grr!
2:38 can't you get 110 speed from that one pillar outside the cave? with good speed conservation, it might be possible.
Is it possible to conserve the 150 speed from the pillar star method to get 90 speed on the rock to slidekick?
Is there any way you can move the goomba spawner or change their behavior to get the same effect as with scuttlebugs?
There wouldn't be an "easy" way to for Mario to reach vertical PUs, would there? And if there was some way, would it be possible to get the star that way?
I think the only known way to reach vertical PUs so far is to manipulate Fly Guy’s size and jump on it, but the only thing you can do after that is twirl down into an OoB zone and crash the game because there’s no floor.
+Qbe Root *fly guy
Timothy Gunter
Fixed, thanks!
Game Buster
The idea would be to use vertical PU travel to get back to the star on the main map, but yeah, unless we take hyper speed flying far beyond its current capabilities, it’s not happening (let alone in JRB and without A presses).
I forgot Fly Guy’s size manipulation could only cause it to shrink. I guess pannenkoek has tested this through, but maybe another timing could interrupt its animation while it’s larger than its original size?
+Qbe Root Right now the only things that we can get to a vertical PU are scuttlebugs. :/
pannen: **has no stars**
also pannen: if we spawn three stars, our example is in LLL, by the way,
we need to crack this
If this doesn't already have a solution, then would you be able to set the HOLP below the stage such that the peak of the out-of-bounds item's sphere radius is in the center of the star platform? In this way, you could activate the chests (by avoiding the middle), then reactivate it in order to gain height. The spherical shape may force you to use the rock in suggestion #4 to get to the platform without activating it, though.
9:23: What if you spawned the star, went back and cloned the shell, and went back to the star? Would that work?
you can't clone in jrb
5:30 my brain when its a very serious situatio
Yep, he's back
It's a hard knock life, for us
It's a hard know life, for us!
11:30 couldn’t you use the ground pound to get height after s the star was collected? I mean that looks like just enough to collect the star.
you cant groundpound after a DR so no
ERROR_Anything ah, Thanks.
I've strted doing the button chllenge on my computer! I'm doing well so fr.
Good luck my dude
+AndonutsJeff Thnk you!
+post #617166 you cn do it!
dude try hrder i know you cn do it bro I KNOW YOU CN DO IT!!
I can do better, using ctrl+v to enter a.
2:40 Thats where hyperspeed slide kicking comes into play
I was just going to bed :( I will watch this first :D
what if you managed to get a 100 coin star just below the star? can you collect a star mid-star dance?
lol I dont think so but nice idea
skytheguy you can't get the 100 coin star under the chest star, the only way to do that is to either clone the star or a coin and cloning doesn't work in JRB
@@Mateo-vz4fl even if we could then stars aren't collectable during the star dance state
I don't think so at leadt
least*
For number 9, couldn't you first open up the chests to release the star, and then go grab the fake shell; means you wouldn't need to get up there holding the fake shell?
Star's already loaded hence it won't 'load' into the fake shell's slot.
Are there any imperfections in the geometry of the ceiling above the star? Because there might be positions that Mario still could reach, if so.
Would any of the new (as of 6/25/2018) hyperspeed tech be of use in achieving that 500 speed?