I used to work at a hospital at night and see these women in emergency badly beaten by domineering husbands. What really caught my eye was how these men all had this religious narcissism going on with all their self righteous ranting. These type of men don't let women to have their own thoughts in their head, they are so egotistical they are actually affronted when a woman stands up for herself. They are potentually very dangerous and can lead to physical violence.
Luke is a stalker, he doesn't listen to the word " NO " , that is a sign of BPD or worse. Most women don't like pushy men, most women like someone who is easy going and listens.
I don't think he would ever understand either. Women don't need confrontation day in and day out, because it wears down the nerves , as it would anyone. The drama is too much.
Luke escaped a bullet even though he had issues.. Say what you like, the past is the past, but no man wants another man dipping in the pudding after you just met her going forward. Especially on The Bachellorette. Other bachelorettes have been way more classy. she seems loose with lots of baggage. She did sleep around alot.. Just sayin
1. dylan and the other boys hyping her up when she said “maybe you don’t know bc you didn’t get one” 2. chris looking at her like a proud dad 3. EVERYONE clapping BUT luke
@@OrdoAbChao-kg5rf 'sexual market value' that's a new one... She doesn't care because it doesn't distinguish his character and how he represents or portrays himself. He's trying to mould her into something she isn't. As you have said 'that man just wanted to make sure she cared', its up to her what the wants to care about you can't force someone. She's investing to remember works both ways. They aren't compatible and rightly so.
@@giarhodes1976 No, that really is not a new concept nor term...unlike the "newspeak" going on currently in our social climate. Also regardless of the way the show is built she is not the prize for she is already past the prime of age and men in their 30s are barely in their prime. Men are the prize. This is why we have so many men Awakening to the fact and going their own way...and most women and feminists hate what we've realized and they hate even MORE that we're not playing their game. Most men are an asset, women are liabilities. For example I know it sounds abrasive, but women are the majority of consumers in the market. I don't know how many times I've witnessed that some women feel that they are entitled to access their current boyfriend's money home and property... You can see why this would be some problematic issue if one were to get married without a prenuptial agreement. Yeah well, the thing is that most women ask questions like "where are all the good men?". The answer to that (because most women are not too self-aware either because they're disingenuous or are really lacking) you pass them all up in your twenties when you were too busy on the cock carousel and now that you've hit the wall you want a man of high value when you have not valued yourself as highly. FOH with that compatibility argument... because we don't love these hoes.
She’s in multiple relationships. Not just him. I have never heard anyone slut shame the bachelors for sleeping with multiple of the girls on their season. The show has been running for how long?? He should know what happens at the end of the season.
You do know that people have came on this show before and chose to not have sex during the fantasy suites week, right? A lot of people on the show do have sex but going on the bachelorette/bachelor doesn’t automatically mean you’re going to have sex. In this case, Luke stated that he had made the choice to stay celibate due to his beliefs, so he was likely assuming that Hannah (who also claims to be a Christian) was in agreement with him on this issue, but just wanted to be sure. Unfortunately, he soon discovered that Hannah uses being a Christian as a justification to do as she pleases because according to her, Jesus still loves her.
Clearly they can. It’s not just about sex. But he shouldn’t of been surprised if it happened or even asked her the way he did. This show had been running for years HE should of assumed it could of been a possibility. Just because a person is Christian doesn’t mean you are pure. Lol He assumed wrong and it doesn’t make her any less Christian. So not only are people slut shaming her they aren’t finding her to be Christian because she has sex before marriage??
He also ya the right to ask who’s she slept with. It is a relationship after all. She didn’t have to freak out about him asking all he wanted to know is if she’s fucking one of the guys. If I knew she was close with 4 men I would have asked the same thing.
She was the worst bachelorette bc she behaved like a little high school girl, and the moment anyone would call her out, she would have a temper tantrum 😂 She was the perfect example of what not to do. That season was THE BACHELOR as LUKE as the star, and she allowed it...
Hannah is a perfect example of a girl caught in a toxic relationship. That boys like Luke can reel us in, bait us, and gaslight us. Their relationship showed girls how easy it is to get caught in a scary relationship with a boy that pretends to love us & is manipulative. I’m glad girls are seeing what can happen and to be careful.
@@emeraldpeony I really don't think having standards on sex and purity is a bad thing. I personally wouldn't want to get engaged to someone who had just had sex with one or more people.
Are you serious? Her “standing up for [herself]” is little more than incoherent rambling and blame shifting. Luke did absolutely NOTHING wrong by asking if she was sleeping with or planning to sleep with other contestants, and the way that she makes him out to be some misogynistic asshole who “only cares about sex” is nothing short of disgusting. She acted as though he was trying to control her or that she didn’t have the free will to make whatever choices she wanted to when he called her out during the show, which isn’t at all true. Just as Hannah had the right to make her own choices and to sleep with whomever she wanted to, Luke had the right to consequently judge her promiscuous actions, as that’s not the type of person he wanted to commit to. Luke was under the impression that they had shared faith and values, which is why he initially liked her so much. As it turned out, she shared neither with him, because she was a slut and made poor decisions, using her faith as nothing more than a cop-out since she can just say that Jesus still loves her no matter what blah blah blah. On top of all that, Luke asked her in the nicest way possible about the whole “fantasy suite” situation, and she immediately exploded on him before he could even finish his thoughts about it. That right there should tell you enough about her guilty conscious on the matter, as she herself even knew that it was wrong to be anticipating/thinking about sleeping with several guys (even though in this clip she makes a point to say how she wasn’t planning it out or thinking about it in advance; that’s EXACTLY what she did, hence her need to deny it). Hannah Brown is the epitome of what’s wrong with a lot of women in this day and age. They want to be free to make whatever reckless decisions they desire, but at the same time don’t want to take any responsibility for their actions. Wanna be an asshole? Cool, go for it. But don’t be surprised when you get punched in the face when someone inevitably gets sick of your shit. The same thing goes for sluts. Like, you do you, but don’t get all butthurt and play victim when someone calls you out for being what you are: a whore.
Honestly I think hannah is the best bachelorette that has ever been. She's so strong and smart and fun and kind but not afraid to speak her truth. I really admire that about her
Luke P's story was all over the place. First he crashed the rose ceremony to "have closure," but later said he was there to win her back, and then we find out via the host he was there with a ring and was going to propose. She was right to call him narcissistic - as he was walking away from that last rose ceremony he mumbled "I don't understand." The other thing I notice about him is every time Hannah or Chris had a negative reaction to, or questioned something he said, he would try to change his story by saying they didn't understand what he meant.
How can you allow this bullying of Luke? The whole season has everyone been bullying Luke and the production has done nothing to stop it! And now Hannah is bully Luke also. I feel so bad for him. I hope you fond strenght to go through all of this Luke. God bless you
He wasn’t wrong to ask if she’s having sex if he’s interested in marrying someone why wouldn’t you ask!!! These shows are crazy that’s not the way to find love kissing everyone and all over them who would want that
Luke had every right to try to clarify values leading to a committed relationship....I think Hannah’s reaction was her own conscience realizing her own weakness.......
At the dinner when she cut him off and threw him out....at that dinner she reacts to him because of her own behavior.... If she felt shame it was her own conscience that created that feeling...she then blames Luke. She is the one confused
Linda Lee I don’t think she feels ashamed about anything other than keeping Luke around for as long as she did and for allowing him to gaslight her into not trusting her own decisions.
InsularesHDxo good for her. Not all Christians live by the same standard. And quite frankly, I don’t think there is any good reason to feel ashamed for having sex outside of marriage. Only religious fanatics think like that.
There nothing wrong with having morals. Where Luke went wrong is when he persistently imposed his expectations on Hannah and tried to make her feel bad about her decisions.
If a woman would have asked a bachelor this, everyone would understand that she didn't wanna be in a relationship with someone who was having sex with other people.
Exactly ! Since his a man it’s seen as controlling or him being creepy but I know I would also have reservations about the man I wanted to be with sleeping with a bunch of women . People got things twisted .
Caden Seegers no one would be questioning the bachelor if it was the other way around. Instead, the bachelorettes are constantly having to justify their actions. Hannah should not have had to explain herself to anyone. If he doesn’t like the fact that the woman he’s dating is having sex with other people than he should not have signed up for the show. Simple as that.
@@nomrs5942 Um, if a bachelor went off on a woman who asked him if he had sex, he would get 10× more backlash than Hannah. Have you seen those social experiments about sexual assault? If a guy is sexually touching a woman who does not want to be touched inappropriately, then multiple people come in to stop it (as they should). HOWEVER, if a girl is sexually touching a man who does not want to be touched inappropriately, people tell him that she's beautiful and he should want it, too.
Abby Griffin it’s not the fact that he asked, it’s the fact that he was shaming her for it. Saying that if she did have sex, he would remove himself basically break up with her. You totally missed the point. He could have also asked in private. Not in front of everyone.
I went through similar rollercoaster relationships once. it took me 6 years to quit. its addictive, its soul sucking, it destroys I think it’s incredible that we can see it in show and other girls can see it and have a closure. it’s my first bachelorette and it’s incredible what their messages are
There was nothing wrong with Luke saying that he would leave if he found out that she had sex. But the fact that he showed up again after knowing that she has had sex with one of the guys makes me wonder what his intentions are.
The best thing said during Men Tell All was by Matteo when he defended Luke P. It takes courage to standby someone while being ridiculed by the entire cast, Hannah, social media. In my opinion I’ve never seen this show support bullying as much as it did this year and Tbh I’m a little disappointed. In the beginning Luke was the from runner, after that literally the rest of the season(til Hannah’s closing statement on mta) was all about Luke, and not in a positive way. If there was anything he could have done to salvage friendships with the people he did x10. I don’t agree with what Hannah said, he absolutely deserves to communicate how he feels about sex and marriage. For crying out load he’s there to propose(I believe he would have). He’s not condemning her for having sex in her life, he’s verbalizing what he wants when it’s his time to get down on one knee. She may have been the star of the show but it take 2 people to become 1. Her ego was enormous and she became extremely spiteful.
100% agree, any guy that cares about her would want to know what she plans on doing in those fantasy suits. It’s the girl he wants to marry. He’s not slut shaming her!! She’s going off for no reason!!
cody she literally told him that she no longer wanted to be with him and he didn’t listen to her instead he forced his way on set and demanded that she speak to him. If he wanted a “pure” wife he shouldn’t have went on a show about dating multiple people you fucking moron. she can do whatever she wants and she doesn’t HAVE to be in a relationship with him whatsoever if he feels that way
23magneta While it took her awhile to figure out Luke, she is not at all a dumb dirty blonde. Hannah expresses herself well and uses “big” words and also, did you not pick up on her reference to Nathaniel Hawthorne’s The Scarlet Letter?
I think hannah and luke just have different values. He can't tell her what to do. But I would be disheartened too if the guy I cared for had sexual relations with someone else. I think Luke just does not know how to communicate well. I think he is just misunderstood. Or that he does not think before he speaks.
He should know what he signed up for. The show clearly is not for him. Everybody knows what happens towards the finale. Plus in the beginning of the show he was the one taking his shirt off and the massage scene and what not. So what gives?🤷🏻♀️
Way to go Bachelor Nation for promoting bullying on national television! I’m disgusted by everyone’s actions on this season! Everyone on that stage last night needs to reevaluate themselves and their actions before tossing stones at someone else!
Didn't Jed say too that if she didn't do the right thing and get rid of Luke then his feelings would diminish? I mean he said it in a more subtle way but that's what he said on their overnight date. He was manipulating her into doing what he wanted and it seemed she was mad at Jed at first but then was okay and hugging him and everything was fine. I don't think Luke was right at all but they both said on overnights that if she didn't do what they wanted then they wouldn't "love" her anymore in a nutshell.
How are people supposed to communicate. Jed was saying from his heart how he felt, yes it upset Hannah but you have to communicate your honest feelings and he did. Luke manipulates everything he says and then back petals afterwards.
i think there’s a difference in what luke said and what jed said. i can’t exactly remember how jed approached the situation, but i think in hannah’s eyes jed and the other men expressing their disliking of luke was also them trying to look out for her because they knew the luke they saw wasn’t necessarily the same luke she saw. what luke said to her was kinda slut shaming. he made her feel bad about doing something she shouldn’t feel bad about, especially since luke himself has had sex and wasn’t married.
Luke escaped a bullet even though he had issues.. Say what you like, the past is the past, but no man wants another man dipping in the pudding after you just met her going forward. Especially on The Bachellorette. Other bachelorettes have been way more classy. she seems loose with lots of baggage. She did sleep around alot.. Just sayin
I’ve never seen a season of the Bachelor made so much about one person.... I don’t think picking Hannah was the smartest choice, she obviously still has a lot of maturing to do...
Obvi she is 24 younger than me by 1 year. This chick is so immature she is not ready for marriage and no one finds a husband on national tv. Her mental state is that of an 18 year old
Wow, you're dumb. Luke got up in Hannah's business and asked invasive questions. Hannah, on the other hand, VOLUNTARILY revealed her business, meaning she CHOSE to let people know her business while Luke tried getting in her business without permission. That's kindergarten level common sense, moron, that you obviously DON'T have.
Luke is way too conservative and traditional to be competing in this show. This show kinda promotes polygamy and being intimate with multiple people at the same time. Luke wasn't comfortable that the girl she cared for was spreading her legs to multiple dudes, which of course she has the right to.
@@jenpho I don't judge people. I just wrote it kinda how I think Luke sees it. We only live once, so we should do whatever feels good at the moment. Conservative, liberals, we are all people at the end of the day and need to respect each others values and views.
Michael Hauserman, It's actually not as unpopular as you might think. A lot of people feel bad for him. Even I feel bad for him and I never really liked him throughout the show up until now.
Very very very wrong. That is what they call woeful sin. That sin is very bad and cannot be forgiven May be if your not a Christian and born again the lord can forgive. Just saying am not God.
@@nomrs5942 that's a very crazy way of looking at things. The way hannah said was she can just keep on sinning and not changing her ways because there will always be Grace. Grace is not there for you to keep sinning freely, that's not what the Bible says
@@mellieemelYou don't knkw God do you. You done get to tell people what Grace is there for. That's Gods decision to decide whether grace is given too. Your not God so you have no right to say where grace is or isn't given. Period.
In my opinion Hannahs season was just messy. She had so many great guys and chose to immaturely focus on one. Picking her for bachelorette honestly wasn't the best choice
This has gone too far, to allow everyone bully Luke this way is so hard to see. Bachelor nation you needs to apologize to Luke. I have never in my life seen a man been treaten this way. I used to like to see Bachelor and Bachelorette, but this season made me feel sick. Hannah how could you treat Luke like this!? And all of the men is attacking Luke all the time. I never ever want to see Bachelor och Bachelorette after this. How can the production allow this???
Margaret Driedger i think she’s mad because she cared so much about him. and she had high hopes for him and realized he was a master manipulator. she’s clearly still bitter about saying he’s “obsessed with sex” was just too much
I can’t be the only one that understands where Luke P is coming from. He does not articulate himself well but it would bother me if a guy that I love slept with multiple women a week before a proposal and it is a sin to have sex before marriage, yes I think you should do what you want but Luke has a right to live his life by the Bible cause that’s what we’re all supposed to be doing and from I understood to be slut shaming this sure wasn’t it.
The point is, if you have a problem with that, don’t go on the bachelor or the bachelorette. It’s not the same as a regular relationship where you’re committed to one person the whole time. The commitment doesn’t come til the end. It would bother me like crazy and I would be super jealous, but that’s why I’d never go on the show, in addition to the fact that I’m happily married anyway.
Jim Johnson I don’t think the numbers are as high as she’s portraying, but I will say after being in 3 private, closed fb groups with hundreds of women for each of my pregnancies, there is a shocking number of men who cheat on their significant others either days before or after she gives birth to their child. I never knew before that it was this bad.
We might sin unconsciously by lying everyday or do something hurtful to someone and not know it. That's why we pray and repent and Jesus shows us mercy for us. Who every person that says they are not sinner they are lying in front of God
God is gracious but he doesn’t condone sin in the name of grace. Grace doesn’t make righteousness negotiable it makes righteousness attainable. Salvation is meant to help us to stop sinning not encourage us to do so intentionally. John 8:10-11 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you? No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and SIN NO MORE”
Luke deserves to ask those questions and Hanna deserves to reject him Why is he wrong ...at the end boys are also looking for right women this show started to be stupid now
He is wrong because she rejected him. Again, and again, and again, and again. He was like herpes. Just wouldn't go away. And it is never about what you say, it is about how you say it. Luke is judgemental in both tone and words... its hard to accept that as an adult from another adult. You can share your fears and concerns without making the other person wrong. Love and judgment cannot live together.
The worst bachelorette I have ever seen. I hate the fact that she and others keep picking on Luke P. And kissing multiple men at the same time is discussing.
Saving Power she legit made out with garret after he opened up his heart she told her he loves her , she claims he is “obsessed with sex” yet she kissed him despite knowing she was going to pick Luke over him two seconds later just because she’s a horn dog . Luke could do so much better she is so warped in getting angry at him for questioning her about something she is actually doing .
No, that's not how it went down. Luke was sent home, but the producers ASKED him if he wanted to come back to talk to Hannah and clarify his point. He obviously said yes and so it was all good, and they did have security right off camera. If you don't believe me you can hear Chris Harrison talk about it on a podcast called "Bachelor Party- The Men Tell All" episode. Here's the link: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chris-harrison-tells-all-about-men-tell-all-bachelor/id1330224581?i=1000445098662he The producers thought it would be good drama, because Luke had already come back once, and they wanted to get a reaction from Hannah. It was a very cruel move, but they did it, and you may be a newer viewer of the show, but sometimes they really do purposefully put the lead in emotionally distressing situations to try and make good tv, and then often times or never take responsibility. You don't hear about the producers because they're not on camera. Another background thing about the show, in their little interviews where the contests are talking to the camera one-on-one, describing something that is happening or happened, there is always a producer that they are sitting and talking to and having a conversation with, on the other side, that is trying to lead them to say certain things. Also, it's not like the producers are a crew that the contestants barely see, the producers basically become some of the guys' closest friends because they're living together going through this together also, and it's nice to have some friends who aren't trying to date the same person. A producer might say "How do you feel about Hannah doing so and so?" and then the contestant will say "I think Hannah... " which an give the show ammo to put clips up out-of-context. So, I think you were trying to go deep on the show but it isn't fake in the way you're assuming, which was that they were pretending Luke came back kind of his own right and surprised them. Luke came back, and they did not tell Hannah they were ALLOWING that to happen, and the guys were surprised because they didn't know that Luke was sent home on his date in the first place, and therefore were EXPECTING to see him at this rose ceremony. It was manufactured in a way, but not in the way you guessed
@@laurend8140 He thought they were on the same page. Hannah said they were then he asked her about the other guys that's when it started blowing up. So Hannah is in the wrong for not telling him that they arent on the same page.
I do not like Luke, never had, never will. But he is not wrong. Yes, he must know in what environment he is coming into and yes, the bachelorette is dating and developing relationships with many people. And that involves cuddling and kissing, but. BUT it does not mean You have to sleep with somebody. Especially if You are not to pick him at the end. And even if You do - brag about it on national tv? She is not the first bachelorette and not the first to involve with someone in close sexual relationship, but have You heard from previous ladies about how they had sex? I think a grown up, serious woman would understand that it is not serious to sleep with one man, then chose the other. That is not a stable establishment. She might be great, open minded and well spoken and many other great things, but she is NOT ready for marriage. She can chose someone and date for a while to understand what strong relationships are built on and that marriage is not only a title and beautiful wedding. ABC - I am sure You can find contestants for Bachelor and Bachelorette who are interesting and exciting for TV, but are ready to find love, too... wasn't this show about that? I have a feeling we are loosing it.
@@Poopie22 I am not even talking about being a Christian - it is not a place for finding love for them - if You claim to be 100% Christian and almost saint as him - You are definitely there for the wrong reasons. But for any normal human being - if You are serious - You will suppress Your urges which of course are taking over when being isolated from outside and seeing all those gorgeous men.. suppress or if You have slipped - do not brag. Turn this around - would You be happy to propose to person who You know has already made love to someone else just a few days before? I do not think so. show is a bubble and unfortunately many of people there find it hard to attach to reality. I am happy that many bachelorettes could.
I think this may be true for you, and that’s okay- we all want different things from relationships. But personally I’m very polyamorous and wouldn’t care at all if my fiancée was still enjoying a sex life with other people. Tyler probably knows what’s up and he is okay with it too. Some people are fine with it, and some not. Both opinions are okay, but if you don’t want your partner sleeping with other people, don’t go on the Bachelorette.
You may really like someone and you have sex and it just dosent work or make you feel anything more. so I can see someone not moving forward with a person after sex.
Amen. You shouldn’t go around doing it saying “oh I’ll have sex, or I had sex but it’s fine cause God will forgive me.” It’s more realising the commandments and doing you’re best to become higher without doing those things against him.
I got 3 words for yall ITS NOBODY'S BUSINESS yes indeed her relationship with whatever she believes in (god? Idk) is hers alone if she trips and falls shes the one to fix that relationship right? You're judging the fuck out of her which I thought was a no go for this religion or am I wrong?
Grace28 she shouldn’t claim to be Christian if she’s going to do things Jesus said will keep you out of the kingdom of god. She’s a hypocrite. Sleep with whoever you want, but don’t claim to be a Christian
I'm w/everyone else on Luke P . He is not self-aware enough to realize he should never have gone on to the show. That being said, I felt for him last night. More, I was disappointed in Chris & the powers that be that were behind last nights episode. Sorry, but grilling Luke that way was shameful, went low & was below ABC. -We all have Luke's number-. Last night felt intended to mop the floor at Luke's expense. *Smug smirks & all, sorry Chris & ABC, your better angels were clearly absent!! 🕊
The "we all have Lukes number" was in response to his tweet to Hannah that when she was ready to repent and talk to him about her evil sinful ways she "had his number".
People out here really saying Hannah doesn’t comprehend her religion “correctly” but ignoring the fact that Luke repeatedly lied, manipulated, and gaslit her. Like y’all really doing that with your whole chest. Embarrassing.
Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age.
Why are some people defending this creep 😂 his attitude and actions are honestly disturbing and scary. The amount of times she asked him to go and he was like some deranged stalker. No ma’am. Arrogant jerk
Luke maybe handled it all wrong, but all she does is contradicting herself. No one is shaming her about sex itself. It's about disrecpect and disregard towards other relationships. The show may be a bubble, but there are feelings involved. She blames Luke for being selfish, yet this was all about her and her feelings. The men are allowed to have reaction too. Here's no right or wrong, she doesn't seem to get it. She wants to be just right.
I'm semi religious, so I can relate to Hannah on that. I can definitely relate to Luke not wanting someone he expected to be engaged to soon sleeping with other men, religion be damned. That doesn't seem unusual to me.
Hannah is claiming to be someone that she's not (which is a follower of God). I would argue that Luke should have known better and that if he was looking for someone who really took their faith seriously he would have never come on this show in the first place. The show exploits relationships and emotions for tv ratings and basically encourages people to sleep around. I think his biggest problem was that he was just incredibly naive.
@@lukeschilperoort9934 You can follow God and not believe the same things as the person sitting next to you. Your morals are not your families morals. They are personal. God never said sex is a worse sin than wearing mixed threads. Stop picking and choosing according to YOU whether someone is a person of faith. It's not up to you. You don't know her mind. STOP JUDGING. You make Christians look bad by judging others.
@@LSSYLondon Actually if you read your bible, Women who sleep around are not put in a favorable light. And their are actually worse sin than others. For example, saying a curse word is a sin, But Murder is a far greater sin that carries a far greater punishment. So yeah, as someone claiming to be christian, they should already know that.
“The basis of what I believe is love and loving others, and understanding, and not shaming” Proceeds to shame Luke for expressing his personal beliefs just because they don’t match up with hers and at the end of the show bullies Luke some more even after he has left the stage
Priscilla wtf? How is she shaming him? for standing up for herself? It’s not at all about his beliefs, it’s about how shitty he was for pushing his beliefs on her and bringing her down constantly for it. She’s asked a question about how it made her feel and telling her side and you’re trying to say she’s “shaming” him? She is literally answering a question that was asked. Man victim shamers are the worst kind of people.
Andre - how is he pushing his beliefs on her? She claims to be a Christian. He also claims to be a Christian. He’s stated that he has made the choice to stay celibate because of his beliefs, so he probably was assuming that she felt the same and just wanted to make sure they were on the same page. As a Christian, he knows that sex outside of marriage is considered a sin, so he chooses not to do it. Hannah, on the other hand, seems to think that you can just go around doing whatever you want, knowing full and well that it’s a sin, because “Jesus still loves her”. That’s not how it works. After all, according to the Bible, Jesus forgave a woman and then told her to “sin no more”. Of course everyone sins in some way or another because no one is perfect, but when that happens, you ask for forgiveness and try to refrain from doing that particular thing anymore. Hannah has admitted that she believes sex before marriage is a sin, but yet she doesn’t appear to have any regret or remorse about having sex on the show. In fact, she’s going around boastfully announcing that she had sex in a windmill. She obviously doesn’t understand that if you claim to be a Christian, your actions should reflect that. Pointing that out doesn’t mean I’m condemning her or saying she should get a “Scarlett letter”. I’m just saying don’t call yourself a Christian and then go around promoting and boasting about having pre marital sex. If you make a mistake, own it. Don’t try to justify it by basically saying you can do whatever you want because Jesus will still love you. I think Luke has some personality issues and he has said things in the past that were alarming, but when it comes to this particular scenario, I don’t see anything wrong with the question that he asked her. If you were dating a woman that you were planning on possibly proposing to, wouldn’t you want to know if she had been sleeping with other guys days prior? Especially if she claims to have the same beliefs and morals that you do. Wouldn’t you want reassurance that her actions reflect the words that she’s telling you? Marriage is a lifelong commitment and he deserves to know the type of person he is marrying. Anyone who would sleep with 1 or more guys and then accept a marriage proposal from a different guy days later is probably not marriage material.
Hannah you wanted somebody to jump the fence for you and you got what you wanted. Luke P risked it all, his dignity and respect just to fight for his love. Colton was a stalker too, remember when Cassy said no but he still went to talk to her? but for them it worked out so it turned into a great love story. Why do you blame him for trying?
@Salina Vitale Luke P will recover. He's trying to establish himself as a Christian voice on Twitter. With his handsome face, conservative Christian women will be lining up to date him. It wouldn't surprise me to hear he's engaged to one of the Duggar girls in a year or two.
I absolutely agree with you. I found it so unbelievable last year that she decided to announce on National Television that she slept with Peter 4 times. That was something that should've been discreet, but she decided to share something so private with plenty of the audience members which was so baffling and ridiculous 😳. This girl was the same one on the Men Tell All telling Luke that it was not his business to ask her if she slept with the other guys, but then have the audacity to announce on the After the Final Rose that she slept with Peter 4 times. Do you see the hypocrisy here? She's such a hypocrite. I've never seen a Bachelorette before her announce publicly sleeping with someone in the fantasy suite so proudly on the After the Final Rose. It really makes me question her morals. Her admitting something like that so openly goes on to show she has no decency and class.
@@vernellstlouis7440 you realize that he essentially forced her to say that she had sex during the show when he said that the only way he would leave is if she told him that she was having intercourse with other members of the show.
Mrs Jacobs That’s where things are misconstrued though. He wasn’t judging, he was making sure they were on the right page when it came to sexuality. He had every right to know if she was sleeping with another man days before he would make the the huge decision to propose to her.
DUTCHI oh please, he was so judging. He even called it a “slip up” as if it were a mistake. “He has every right to know if she was sleeping with another man” why would he want to know? And why couldn’t he have asked her in private? They could have gone into fantasy suits and they could’ve talked about it there but no, he had to publicly call her out and make her feel shamed.
Being held accountable and being “shamed” are two different things. When you become a Christian, you are held to a different standard and because of that, people around you are going to call you out on your crap. I am the person I am today because people didn’t just let me do whatever I wanted as to not “shame” or offend me. No one is perfect and Jesus loves all, but does not condone sexual sin as a lifestyle BECAUSE he loves us and wants better for us. Luke didn’t do everything right on this show but he wasn’t some monster. This is so old and tired at this point. He was worried about where her heart was at and if she thought that sex outside of marriage was okay as a lifestyle. It wasn’t about the mistakes she had made but whether or not she owned those as mistakes or if she saw it as a norm for her.
Being held to a standard that is unfounded is ridiculous. Being christian is a faith based position....meaning unsupported....subjective. Calling sex before marriage a "sexual sin" is subjective. There is no basis for it. There is no reason to think of it as a morally wrong act. No data to support that. Therefore, she made no "mistake".
Tyrch - she very openly claims to be a Christian. The Bible without a doubt does not condone pre marital sex. If she’s going to claim to be a Christian, her actions need to reflect her words.
@@nataliec1964 Who cares what the bible does not condone. It claims wearing mixed fabrics is an abomination..or that animals can talk. SO WHAT?! It's a work of ancient literature.....not reality. Saying what the bible does or does not condone.....doesn't show HOW something is immoral. It isn't based on data. It is UNFOUNDED. SUBJECTIVE. FAITH....BASED.
Natalie C well said. Whether or not someone on the outside agrees with religion, if a person claims to belong to one, but then does not live their lifestyle accordingly, they should be called on it.
I am only here after seeing commercials of the Bachelor and Bachelorette on TV and I must say shows like these are so unreal. Relationships take time to build and can not be made during a show's run. No wonder many couples live in a fantasy world.
Oh really so if you were talking to a that u fell head over heels for and you found out he had sex with someone else you'd want him still? If that is yes then you either are desperate and have no values. She has other men there how and why would a man (unless super desperate) want to propose to Hannah after she had sex with someone else. Why didnt she like Colton did in the Bachelor send the other people home and be with that person. Smh
Sherry Brown Thank you ! My thoughts exactly Luke could do so much better than someone so outright sexually deviant and full of anger issues like her .
There are people who went into the fantasy suites and we still don’t know whether they had sex. Being on The Bachelor / Bachelorette, and your sex life being nobody’s business are not incompatible concepts.
Peters ex girlfriend, just like Jed's also spoke out on how "innocent" Peter broke up with HIS girlfriend days before going on the show!! Everybody needs to stop attacking Luke because there ARE men, 2 of the finalists who are wolves dressed in sheep clothing!
@Al Wa That's true! Personally, I rather have someone be up front about who they are, even if it's creepy, instead of being around someone that's holding a secret for this long. When someone is boldly creepy at least I have the knowledge of it and choice of leaving them but the fact that Peter and Jed were so judgemental off if Luke and then the show is over and all of their secrets are just pouring out. That's too sneaky.
How is calling someone narcissistic not judging someone(even licensed therapists don't do that in such ways... this is just not acceptable behaviour) .. & how is saying **** leave not cussing or shaming someone.. :( sorry, but that was uncalled for on part of a lead. 'Being real' or having strength isn't in shaming one who you think is shaming you. Honestly, so put off by this Bachelorette season's last two episodes, don't want to watch any further of this season... and never had liked Luke P so much and never thought I would perhaps ..but towards the end he does seem more honest and vulnerable and willing to change and learn and grow than anyone else.. everybody else's aggressive behaviour and bullying or lies even it seems are conveniently couched or veiled within the excuse that Luke P behaved badly. Liked John Paul Jones's responses on Luke P that I saw was recently recorded.. balanced and only person who thinks Mr Parker isn't a bad guy, perhaps. Feel like no one deserves to be treated like Luke P was towards the end. No one. It's just humiliating and sad. And a gang of boys bullying in a group one they dislike - it's not new. It's happened earlier too..& has happened with women too..a gang of girls stacked up against an obvious 'competitor' Krystal N.. so that's not new. But making one person the 'villain' that everyone bashes for a reality drama show needs to end. That's not cool. Done with Luke P then best to stop talking about him than 'insulting' further with hurtful words.. I mean this is also a human being with a family that cares .. so a little kindness may be nice or have been nice. 🙏🏻 Ps: unbelievable also that this even needs to be said in this day and age .. about women's rights over women's bodies.. ✌🏻seems everyone has "growing up" to do.. and Bachelorette seriously, how about casting a non heterosexual or queer Bachelorette for next season after casting Haley Stevens( if she may wish to that is).. it's not just heterosexual couples that make this world you know.. incase you'll haven't noticed yet. 🙄🤦♀️
You are tired of talking about Luke but you keep coming back to it. It seems to me, you didn’t get over him. Just let it go because Jed is so worth it. He lies through his teeth and you felt for it! His family? They basically told you he wasn’t the one 🙄
I love Hannah, but why the whole men tell all is about Luke P? Jed should be in the hot seat too, Luke is a good guy, i think he's being misunderstood sometimes because of how he communicates! He did well in the hot seat with everyone bulling him!
The only reason people hate Luke is because he is not good with words and communicating his feelings. But he was still there for the right reasons. Jed and few others deserve A LOT more backlash than Luke ever got.
Yet, y'all religious folk still regularly lie, cuss, envy and sometimes use God's name in vain, so who exactly is the authority on religion? Everybody's a damn sinner, there's no perfect religious person, so get off your high horse.
I don't agree with Luke how he went about it .but I never understood why these bachelors an bachelorette needing to have to sleep with each other to find love 90 percent of these fantasy sweets they have been intimate dates .past seasons have proved that .i don't think u have to sleep with someone to find out who is , mr right Luke was just controlling an approached the wrong way
looking back at this and seeing him pause for so long so he could come up with a lie. i can’t. he really was truly horrible and misogynistic and terrifying. so controlling. i pray for the girl he ever dates or gets married to in the future.
Ok so what is basically a fantasy suit??? Fantasy suits just scream SEX. I get Luke's point. Really. He does have a valid point and Hannah trying to insult and bash him for that is definitely not good. But if he held such beliefs then he shouldn't have come to the show. He should have known what happens in the show. This show has been going on for a really long time and everybody who comes here, knows what they are getting into. This show promotes polygamy, so, I think if Luke held such beliefs, he shouldn't have come on the show in the firsf place.
Hermione Granger exactly! Plus at the beginning of the show may we recall he was the one who took his shirt off and that awkward massage part where Jed came in.. just can’t.
Even if hannah was out if the line and didn't understand him, Luke p is still a douche bag with major issues , he's very violent and immature, honestly he's not better then her, i am sick of you people defending him just because he's a christian, the guy is toxic, period.Him wanting to save himself for marriage doesn't make up for his awful personnality and narcissism
Mike Bevacqua a woman / man of faith should not do that. But sadly many people in general say they are christian but hold no high moral standards...But hey this is reality tv. As a christian myself i would not go on one of these...
Right, but she made it clear that she DOES do that. So at that point it's up to him to decide whether he wants to continue to try and be in a relationship with her or not. They are both adults. Obviously she didn't have the same beliefs in regards to sex and their religion which he did, so he could have left, and at that point she wanted him to leave, so they were on the same page that it wouldn't work out for them. But he decided to come back
My problem with Luke was that he kept refusing to hear her tell him to leave. She said no. She said leave. He kept pushing. That was disturbing.
Disturbed as well. He is pushy and domineering , he wants complete control. He is not respecting her decisions.
I used to work at a hospital at night and see these women in emergency badly beaten by domineering husbands. What really caught my eye was how these men all had this religious narcissism going on with all their self righteous ranting. These type of men don't let women to have their own thoughts in their head, they are so egotistical they are actually affronted when a woman stands up for herself. They are potentually very dangerous and can lead to physical violence.
Luke is a stalker, he doesn't listen to the word " NO " , that is a sign of BPD or worse. Most women don't like pushy men, most women like someone who is easy going and listens.
I don't think he would ever understand either. Women don't need confrontation day in and day out, because it wears down the nerves , as it would anyone. The drama is too much.
Jim Johnson wow really Jim? If he liked her so much he should have respected her then
Chris Harrison in the end...asking Luke if that made sense to him was hilarious...
Reema Tigga to stop the conversation he just answered yes, coz she won’t stop defending and defending and defending, overreacting, sigh
Luke escaped a bullet even though he had issues.. Say what you like, the past is the past, but no man wants another man dipping in the pudding after you just met her going forward. Especially on The Bachellorette. Other bachelorettes have been way more classy. she seems loose with lots of baggage.
She did sleep around alot.. Just sayin
His Presence she honestly didn’t sleep around a lot though
Truuuueeee LOL.
caycug1 and I oop-
1. dylan and the other boys hyping her up when she said “maybe you don’t know bc you didn’t get one”
2. chris looking at her like a proud dad
3. EVERYONE clapping BUT luke
@@OrdoAbChao-kg5rf 'sexual market value' that's a new one... She doesn't care because it doesn't distinguish his character and how he represents or portrays himself. He's trying to mould her into something she isn't. As you have said 'that man just wanted to make sure she cared', its up to her what the wants to care about you can't force someone. She's investing to remember works both ways. They aren't compatible and rightly so.
@@giarhodes1976 No, that really is not a new concept nor term...unlike the "newspeak" going on currently in our social climate.
Also regardless of the way the show is built she is not the prize for she is already past the prime of age and men in their 30s are barely in their prime. Men are the prize. This is why we have so many men Awakening to the fact and going their own way...and most women and feminists hate what we've realized and they hate even MORE that we're not playing their game.
Most men are an asset, women are liabilities. For example I know it sounds abrasive, but women are the majority of consumers in the market.
I don't know how many times I've witnessed that some women feel that they are entitled to access their current boyfriend's money home and property... You can see why this would be some problematic issue if one were to get married without a prenuptial agreement.
Yeah well, the thing is that most women ask questions like "where are all the good men?". The answer to that (because most women are not too self-aware either because they're disingenuous or are really lacking) you pass them all up in your twenties when you were too busy on the cock carousel and now that you've hit the wall you want a man of high value when you have not valued yourself as highly. FOH with that compatibility argument... because we don't love these hoes.
@@OrdoAbChao-kg5rf you sound dumb lol
Don't you feel bad Luke P had to hang around with those losers for so long.
She’s in multiple relationships. Not just him. I have never heard anyone slut shame the bachelors for sleeping with multiple of the girls on their season. The show has been running for how long?? He should know what happens at the end of the season.
Exactly... I have been telling everyone the same thing as well
You do know that people have came on this show before and chose to not have sex during the fantasy suites week, right? A lot of people on the show do have sex but going on the bachelorette/bachelor doesn’t automatically mean you’re going to have sex. In this case, Luke stated that he had made the choice to stay celibate due to his beliefs, so he was likely assuming that Hannah (who also claims to be a Christian) was in agreement with him on this issue, but just wanted to be sure. Unfortunately, he soon discovered that Hannah uses being a Christian as a justification to do as she pleases because according to her, Jesus still loves her.
Clearly they can. It’s not just about sex. But he shouldn’t of been surprised if it happened or even asked her the way he did. This show had been running for years HE should of assumed it could of been a possibility. Just because a person is Christian doesn’t mean you are pure. Lol He assumed wrong and it doesn’t make her any less Christian. So not only are people slut shaming her they aren’t finding her to be Christian because she has sex before marriage??
He didnt slut shame. He expressed HIS PERSONAL OPINION..bei mng honest and real andnot what she wanted to hear..Those are the facts!!!!
He also ya the right to ask who’s she slept with. It is a relationship after all. She didn’t have to freak out about him asking all he wanted to know is if she’s fucking one of the guys. If I knew she was close with 4 men I would have asked the same thing.
Dylan and connors reaction to “you didn’t have one so maybe you don’t know” is the BEST
I was surprised that she was still so angry at Luke after months being removed from the situation. I can only imagine what Jed has coming.
Well, maybe it just got resurfaced as she was watching it, seeing the behind the scenes.
Also The Men Tell All was the first time she saw Luke P (& the rest of the guys there) since she kicked him out of the rose ceremony in Greece
Luke and her also got into a Twitter war when the fantasy suite episode aired, so she had to be even more ticked to see him
Brittaney Rossi the men tell all was filmed before that twitter fight took place
Jill G. She can’t move on
The girls in the audience wearing the “Jesus still loves me” with a windmill on it SENT MEEE
I love how bold and confident Hannah is, she may not be perfect but I think she made a perfect bachelorette
She was the worst bachelorette bc she behaved like a little high school girl, and the moment anyone would call her out, she would have a temper tantrum 😂 She was the perfect example of what not to do. That season was THE BACHELOR as LUKE as the star, and she allowed it...
Hannah is a perfect example of a girl caught in a toxic relationship. That boys like Luke can reel us in, bait us, and gaslight us. Their relationship showed girls how easy it is to get caught in a scary relationship with a boy that pretends to love us & is manipulative. I’m glad girls are seeing what can happen and to be careful.
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The fact that he pretended to share her beliefs just to use them against her for HIS OWN benefit.
@@emeraldpeony I really don't think having standards on sex and purity is a bad thing. I personally wouldn't want to get engaged to someone who had just had sex with one or more people.
@@OliviaRValle i agree or used to at least. Now i am just at a point where someone’s past shouldn’t matter, what matters is us together right now.
@@OliviaRValle true. However, then he shouldn’t have been on that show. There are other places he can find a partner that has his standards.
'does that make sense' 💀
anjali bhakta 😂😂😂
Bruhh 💀😆
Hannah is one of the most mature and grown bachelorettes that came from a season of the bachelor. She speaks beautifully
Gillian Grossman,
No. She's very immature and her voice is painfully annoying.
She’s such a queen. Standing up for yourself is not always easy, yet she did and did so gracefully!
I really recommend watching this to see things from another point of view
- th-cam.com/video/FCqhNkoIDbo/w-d-xo.html
Are you serious? Her “standing up for [herself]” is little more than incoherent rambling and blame shifting. Luke did absolutely NOTHING wrong by asking if she was sleeping with or planning to sleep with other contestants, and the way that she makes him out to be some misogynistic asshole who “only cares about sex” is nothing short of disgusting. She acted as though he was trying to control her or that she didn’t have the free will to make whatever choices she wanted to when he called her out during the show, which isn’t at all true. Just as Hannah had the right to make her own choices and to sleep with whomever she wanted to, Luke had the right to consequently judge her promiscuous actions, as that’s not the type of person he wanted to commit to. Luke was under the impression that they had shared faith and values, which is why he initially liked her so much. As it turned out, she shared neither with him, because she was a slut and made poor decisions, using her faith as nothing more than a cop-out since she can just say that Jesus still loves her no matter what blah blah blah. On top of all that, Luke asked her in the nicest way possible about the whole “fantasy suite” situation, and she immediately exploded on him before he could even finish his thoughts about it. That right there should tell you enough about her guilty conscious on the matter, as she herself even knew that it was wrong to be anticipating/thinking about sleeping with several guys (even though in this clip she makes a point to say how she wasn’t planning it out or thinking about it in advance; that’s EXACTLY what she did, hence her need to deny it). Hannah Brown is the epitome of what’s wrong with a lot of women in this day and age. They want to be free to make whatever reckless decisions they desire, but at the same time don’t want to take any responsibility for their actions. Wanna be an asshole? Cool, go for it. But don’t be surprised when you get punched in the face when someone inevitably gets sick of your shit. The same thing goes for sluts. Like, you do you, but don’t get all butthurt and play victim when someone calls you out for being what you are: a whore.
On national television no less! Go Hannah
Honestly I think hannah is the best bachelorette that has ever been. She's so strong and smart and fun and kind but not afraid to speak her truth. I really admire that about her
She still gives me chills 👏🏽
Luke P's story was all over the place. First he crashed the rose ceremony to "have closure," but later said he was there to win her back, and then we find out via the host he was there with a ring and was going to propose. She was right to call him narcissistic - as he was walking away from that last rose ceremony he mumbled "I don't understand." The other thing I notice about him is every time Hannah or Chris had a negative reaction to, or questioned something he said, he would try to change his story by saying they didn't understand what he meant.
1:56 Dylan’s and Connor’s reactions
3:26 Garrett’s reaction
Dylan...you're not cool
Are E He ends up with Hannah G tho
@@pinkblueberryyy so...are they getting married yet?
@@pinkblueberryyy Who?
Chris at the very end "does that make sense??" KILLED ME
A man never gets questioned about the sex part of the fantasy suites.
Hands down the best bachelorette of them all in my opinion.
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@@mattmatthews3689 😂
I’m very curious on how people would react if the roles were reversed 🤔
Exactly!
Weren't they reversed with the last bachelor?
Pearl Bubbles idk I didn’t watch last season lol
Guys have sex all the time on that show!
They would tear the guy apart ofcourse
Does Luke have a love bite on his neck? I wonder if Jesus still loves him
janhavi gupta 😂
janhavi gupta Jesus loves all of us God would have none perish but all come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ
LITERALLY was just thinking to myself "is that a hickey???"
Ohhh girl i just saw it
Initially it looks like a love bite but upon closer inspection, it looks like shaving rash to me? 🤷♀️
my favorites were Mike and John Paul Jones, those were the MVPs
Yes! John Paul Jones, I loved him right at first impressions 😅
Yo same!
Nah Mike is rude as hell I'm glad he didn't become the bachelor.
Tyler C!!!!!!
How can you allow this bullying of Luke? The whole season has everyone been bullying Luke and the production has done nothing to stop it! And now Hannah is bully Luke also. I feel so bad for him. I hope you fond strenght to go through all of this Luke. God bless you
Mizette Mi you mean Luke bully Hannah and everyone else
Same.
He's a sociopath, deserve everyting he got
He wasn’t wrong to ask if she’s having sex if he’s interested in marrying someone why wouldn’t you ask!!! These shows are crazy that’s not the way to find love kissing everyone and all over them who would want that
@@joanneb1955 I totally agree.
“Does that make sense” HAHA go Chris
Luke had every right to try to clarify values leading to a committed relationship....I think Hannah’s reaction was her own conscience realizing her own weakness.......
Linda Lee he didn’t clarify anything
At the dinner when she cut him off and threw him out....at that dinner she reacts to him because of her own behavior....
If she felt shame it was her own conscience that created that feeling...she then blames Luke. She is the one confused
Linda Lee I don’t think she feels ashamed about anything other than keeping Luke around for as long as she did and for allowing him to gaslight her into not trusting her own decisions.
Mrs Jacobs she is not ashamed of it, she was proud of it.
InsularesHDxo good for her. Not all Christians live by the same standard. And quite frankly, I don’t think there is any good reason to feel ashamed for having sex outside of marriage. Only religious fanatics think like that.
There nothing wrong with having morals. Where Luke went wrong is when he persistently imposed his expectations on Hannah and tried to make her feel bad about her decisions.
If a woman would have asked a bachelor this, everyone would understand that she didn't wanna be in a relationship with someone who was having sex with other people.
Exactly ! Since his a man it’s seen as controlling or him being creepy but I know I would also have reservations about the man I wanted to be with sleeping with a bunch of women . People got things twisted .
Caden Seegers no one would be questioning the bachelor if it was the other way around. Instead, the bachelorettes are constantly having to justify their actions. Hannah should not have had to explain herself to anyone. If he doesn’t like the fact that the woman he’s dating is having sex with other people than he should not have signed up for the show. Simple as that.
@@nomrs5942 Um, if a bachelor went off on a woman who asked him if he had sex, he would get 10× more backlash than Hannah. Have you seen those social experiments about sexual assault? If a guy is sexually touching a woman who does not want to be touched inappropriately, then multiple people come in to stop it (as they should). HOWEVER, if a girl is sexually touching a man who does not want to be touched inappropriately, people tell him that she's beautiful and he should want it, too.
Marie Rene you didn’t think it was controlling or creepy how Hannah kept sending him home and he wouldn’t listen to her or leave?
Abby Griffin it’s not the fact that he asked, it’s the fact that he was shaming her for it. Saying that if she did have sex, he would remove himself basically break up with her. You totally missed the point. He could have also asked in private. Not in front of everyone.
Luke has a hickey on his neck🙄 he definitely planned that before going on 😂
I went through similar rollercoaster relationships once. it took me 6 years to quit. its addictive, its soul sucking, it destroys
I think it’s incredible that we can see it in show and other girls can see it and have a closure.
it’s my first bachelorette and it’s incredible what their messages are
There was nothing wrong with Luke saying that he would leave if he found out that she had sex. But the fact that he showed up again after knowing that she has had sex with one of the guys makes me wonder what his intentions are.
The best thing said during Men Tell All was by Matteo when he defended Luke P. It takes courage to standby someone while being ridiculed by the entire cast, Hannah, social media. In my opinion I’ve never seen this show support bullying as much as it did this year and Tbh I’m a little disappointed. In the beginning Luke was the from runner, after that literally the rest of the season(til Hannah’s closing statement on mta) was all about Luke, and not in a positive way. If there was anything he could have done to salvage friendships with the people he did x10. I don’t agree with what Hannah said, he absolutely deserves to communicate how he feels about sex and marriage. For crying out load he’s there to propose(I believe he would have). He’s not condemning her for having sex in her life, he’s verbalizing what he wants when it’s his time to get down on one knee. She may have been the star of the show but it take 2 people to become 1. Her ego was enormous and she became extremely spiteful.
THIS ^
100% agree, any guy that cares about her would want to know what she plans on doing in those fantasy suits. It’s the girl he wants to marry. He’s not slut shaming her!! She’s going off for no reason!!
cody he said he didn’t want her to have sex with other people
Also, didn't Hannah tell Luke P. at the beginning of the season that he needed to communicate more? Well, it looks like she got her wish.
cody she literally told him that she no longer wanted to be with him and he didn’t listen to her instead he forced his way on set and demanded that she speak to him. If he wanted a “pure” wife he shouldn’t have went on a show about dating multiple people you fucking moron. she can do whatever she wants and she doesn’t HAVE to be in a relationship with him whatsoever if he feels that way
It took her all season to realize about Luke! 🤷♀️
She's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Lol.
Gabriela Bustos I don’t believe that, she watches the recorded clips, impossible she doesn’t know.
Well at least she did
23magneta degrading women-yeah that’s not what we’re gonna do
23magneta While it took her awhile to figure out Luke, she is not at all a dumb dirty blonde. Hannah expresses herself well and uses “big” words and also, did you not pick up on her reference to Nathaniel Hawthorne’s The Scarlet Letter?
I think hannah and luke just have different values. He can't tell her what to do. But I would be disheartened too if the guy I cared for had sexual relations with someone else. I think Luke just does not know how to communicate well. I think he is just misunderstood. Or that he does not think before he speaks.
i think he actually thinks its about him because it was like 5 minutes for him to think through it
Same.
The problem with Luke is that he couldn't take no for an answer and felt entitled to keep persisting.
He should know what he signed up for. The show clearly is not for him. Everybody knows what happens towards the finale. Plus in the beginning of the show he was the one taking his shirt off and the massage scene and what not. So what gives?🤷🏻♀️
A mature grown-up should be able to understand somebody's intentions, even if they don't communicate it well.
Way to go Bachelor Nation for promoting bullying on national television! I’m disgusted by everyone’s actions on this season! Everyone on that stage last night needs to reevaluate themselves and their actions before tossing stones at someone else!
Agree 100%! Surely they lost many viewers after that childish behaviour. That was the worst season ever.
Absolutely they were all terrible Mike and the rest of them.
I agreed 💯. They stooped down to the lowest level possible to get ratings. This show needs to go off of the air!! They have No principles!
LITERALLY THANKYOU SOMEONE SAID IT. THESE MEN had absolutely no morals, jumping on some sort of hate bandwagon.
The only one I saw that wasn’t acting that way was Peter... he definitely didn’t want to be a part of any of the conflict and was kind to everyone
Didn't Jed say too that if she didn't do the right thing and get rid of Luke then his feelings would diminish? I mean he said it in a more subtle way but that's what he said on their overnight date. He was manipulating her into doing what he wanted and it seemed she was mad at Jed at first but then was okay and hugging him and everything was fine. I don't think Luke was right at all but they both said on overnights that if she didn't do what they wanted then they wouldn't "love" her anymore in a nutshell.
Molly J yes!! Jed said the same thing Luke did but in different words. Totally manipulative
How are people supposed to communicate. Jed was saying from his heart how he felt, yes it upset Hannah but you have to communicate your honest feelings and he did.
Luke manipulates everything he says and then back petals afterwards.
i think there’s a difference in what luke said and what jed said. i can’t exactly remember how jed approached the situation, but i think in hannah’s eyes jed and the other men expressing their disliking of luke was also them trying to look out for her because they knew the luke they saw wasn’t necessarily the same luke she saw. what luke said to her was kinda slut shaming. he made her feel bad about doing something she shouldn’t feel bad about, especially since luke himself has had sex and wasn’t married.
Luke escaped a bullet even though he had issues.. Say what you like, the past is the past, but no man wants another man dipping in the pudding after you just met her going forward. Especially on The Bachellorette. Other bachelorettes have been way more classy. she seems loose with lots of baggage.
She did sleep around alot.. Just sayin
I know, right. And when all of the guys found out that Jed was lying from the start, they all made excuses for him, except Mike.
I'm sorry but Luke definitely has a hickey
Victoria del Valle that’s from a fresh shave, not a hickey
I see hickey as well lol
Victoria del Valle thank god im not crazy I thought I was the only one
Taffara Hibbert “that’s from a fresh shave” you obviously have never had a hickey or have ever seen one😂😂
🤔🤔
I’ve never seen a season of the Bachelor made so much about one person.... I don’t think picking Hannah was the smartest choice, she obviously still has a lot of maturing to do...
Omg yes! Shes boring!
Facts. Hannah is the woat.
Michaela Caleb she’s stupid Luke p was the only one that truly cares
Obvi she is 24 younger than me by 1 year. This chick is so immature she is not ready for marriage and no one finds a husband on national tv. Her mental state is that of an 18 year old
Agree, this season was boring too
hannah b: "it wasn't anyone's business to know"
also hannah b: "yeah so i left out some info. it wasn't twice, it was actually four times!!!"
It's up to the individual to reveal what they want when they want. No one else is entitled to that information. That's what she was saying.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Wow, you're dumb. Luke got up in Hannah's business and asked invasive questions. Hannah, on the other hand, VOLUNTARILY revealed her business, meaning she CHOSE to let people know her business while Luke tried getting in her business without permission. That's kindergarten level common sense, moron, that you obviously DON'T have.
Luke is way too conservative and traditional to be competing in this show. This show kinda promotes polygamy and being intimate with multiple people at the same time. Luke wasn't comfortable that the girl she cared for was spreading her legs to multiple dudes, which of course she has the right to.
Jiri Pirinen your comment sounds very judgmental.
Jennifer Lee it’s clearly visible . She is doing that. I don’t think it’s judgemental.
@@jenpho I don't judge people. I just wrote it kinda how I think Luke sees it. We only live once, so we should do whatever feels good at the moment. Conservative, liberals, we are all people at the end of the day and need to respect each others values and views.
Luke was looking for a wife in a wrong place, but probably he thought that Hannah was not going to be sleeping around with the guys...
Luke deserves better
Unpopular Opinion: Felt bad for Luke 🤷🏽♂️
Same.
Michael Hauserman,
It's actually not as unpopular as you might think. A lot of people feel bad for him. Even I feel bad for him and I never really liked him throughout the show up until now.
Michael Hauserman me too.
Not unpopular at all. All that shaming was bullying
me 2
What she said about grace is highly warped... you dont just sin knowing that there is grace. That's a very wrong way of looking at what Grace
Very very very wrong. That is what they call woeful sin. That sin is very bad and cannot be forgiven May be if your not a Christian and born again the lord can forgive. Just saying am not God.
@@gmailcom8073 correction all sin can be forgiven, you are correct in saying that you are not God
melliee g but if you don’t sin, you’ll never know grace so.
@@nomrs5942 that's a very crazy way of looking at things. The way hannah said was she can just keep on sinning and not changing her ways because there will always be Grace. Grace is not there for you to keep sinning freely, that's not what the Bible says
@@mellieemelYou don't knkw God do you. You done get to tell people what Grace is there for. That's Gods decision to decide whether grace is given too. Your not God so you have no right to say where grace is or isn't given. Period.
Imagine if the cameras weren’t there. He’s scary.
In my opinion Hannahs season was just messy. She had so many great guys and chose to immaturely focus on one. Picking her for bachelorette honestly wasn't the best choice
When we are doing the right thing, I believe no one can make us feel bad.
Hanna is still hurt.. not because of Luke, but because deep inside she know she is not doing the right thing...
JessyJessy Style yep
What would be the right thing for her? Maybe she felt that after her experience she didn’t feel as innocent anymore? So she’s lashing out
JessyJessy Style oh cause you’re a mind reader??
Mrs Jacobs maybe she is
Kayla Holmes what am I thinking right now??
This has gone too far, to allow everyone bully Luke this way is so hard to see. Bachelor nation you needs to apologize to Luke. I have never in my life seen a man been treaten this way.
I used to like to see Bachelor and Bachelorette, but this season made me feel sick. Hannah how could you treat Luke like this!?
And all of the men is attacking Luke all the time.
I never ever want to see Bachelor och Bachelorette after this. How can the production allow this???
Agree 100%
how could production allow this guy take over the whole show. Even he admitted that he lied.
For real.
They encouraged his return. Ratings..man...ratings
This was bullying 100%. I expect it from the guys cause they’re too dull to have attention on their own but totally lost respect for Hannah after this
Hannah is so well spoken GEEZUS
That "YES" at the end was the only thing worth listening to ever come out of his mouth.
Hannah why are you still so angry with Luke? This is showing more of your character (and I’m seeing a not so good side of it) than Luke’s🤷♀️
Margaret Driedger i think she’s mad because she cared so much about him. and she had high hopes for him and realized he was a master manipulator. she’s clearly still bitter about saying he’s “obsessed with sex” was just too much
Tatum Brimley if she cared, why so much Luke-shaming?
Margaret Driedger he broke her heart. It’s understandable.
@@nomrs5942 and so Hannah to Luke P
@@insulareshdxo9454 His heart wasn't broken, he just couldn't handle losing control of her.
Oh hush girl! Next show please!
This was legendary.
I can’t be the only one that understands where Luke P is coming from. He does not articulate himself well but it would bother me if a guy that I love slept with multiple women a week before a proposal and it is a sin to have sex before marriage, yes I think you should do what you want but Luke has a right to live his life by the Bible cause that’s what we’re all supposed to be doing and from I understood to be slut shaming this sure wasn’t it.
The point is, if you have a problem with that, don’t go on the bachelor or the bachelorette. It’s not the same as a regular relationship where you’re committed to one person the whole time. The commitment doesn’t come til the end. It would bother me like crazy and I would be super jealous, but that’s why I’d never go on the show, in addition to the fact that I’m happily married anyway.
Jim Johnson I don’t think the numbers are as high as she’s portraying, but I will say after being in 3 private, closed fb groups with hundreds of women for each of my pregnancies, there is a shocking number of men who cheat on their significant others either days before or after she gives birth to their child. I never knew before that it was this bad.
yes!
Jim Johnson just research “percentage of men who cheat”. The numbers range from 50-72%. That’s way higher than 20.
Jim Johnson how many sources did you check? I saw one that said 20%. I looked at around a dozen different sources that put the number much higher.
Grace shouldn't be a license to sin. It appears to me that's the conception she has and everyone seems to agree with her
Sarah Wangui we all sin, no one is perfect but Jesus Christ
Thank God, NOT everyone.
We might sin unconsciously by lying everyday or do something hurtful to someone and not know it. That's why we pray and repent and Jesus shows us mercy for us. Who every person that says they are not sinner they are lying in front of God
God is gracious but he doesn’t condone sin in the name of grace. Grace doesn’t make righteousness negotiable it makes righteousness attainable. Salvation is meant to help us to stop sinning not encourage us to do so intentionally.
John 8:10-11
Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you? No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and SIN NO MORE”
Her repentance and sin is between her and God. Not anybody else’s business and you’ll all be held accountable before God for judging her.
Luke deserves to ask those questions and Hanna deserves to reject him
Why is he wrong ...at the end boys are also looking for right women this show started to be stupid now
The show was always a dumb concept lol.
agreeeeeee
Your right the show is looking it value
He is wrong because she rejected him. Again, and again, and again, and again. He was like herpes. Just wouldn't go away. And it is never about what you say, it is about how you say it. Luke is judgemental in both tone and words... its hard to accept that as an adult from another adult. You can share your fears and concerns without making the other person wrong. Love and judgment cannot live together.
@@ekenebyekene4801 Well said
The worst bachelorette I have ever seen. I hate the fact that she and others keep picking on Luke P. And kissing multiple men at the same time is discussing.
She will end up heart broken watch!
So like every other series... he knew he was going to be in a polygamous dating world and yet he decided to shame her for being true to herself.
discussing? 😂😂
type error 😊 disgusting
Saving Power she legit made out with garret after he opened up his heart she told her he loves her , she claims he is “obsessed with sex” yet she kissed him despite knowing she was going to pick Luke over him two seconds later just because she’s a horn dog . Luke could do so much better she is so warped in getting angry at him for questioning her about something she is actually doing .
So scripted. How could Luke just walk on set and join the line? Ha? No security?
No, that's not how it went down. Luke was sent home, but the producers ASKED him if he wanted to come back to talk to Hannah and clarify his point. He obviously said yes and so it was all good, and they did have security right off camera. If you don't believe me you can hear Chris Harrison talk about it on a podcast called "Bachelor Party- The Men Tell All" episode. Here's the link: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chris-harrison-tells-all-about-men-tell-all-bachelor/id1330224581?i=1000445098662he
The producers thought it would be good drama, because Luke had already come back once, and they wanted to get a reaction from Hannah. It was a very cruel move, but they did it, and you may be a newer viewer of the show, but sometimes they really do purposefully put the lead in emotionally distressing situations to try and make good tv, and then often times or never take responsibility. You don't hear about the producers because they're not on camera. Another background thing about the show, in their little interviews where the contests are talking to the camera one-on-one, describing something that is happening or happened, there is always a producer that they are sitting and talking to and having a conversation with, on the other side, that is trying to lead them to say certain things. Also, it's not like the producers are a crew that the contestants barely see, the producers basically become some of the guys' closest friends because they're living together going through this together also, and it's nice to have some friends who aren't trying to date the same person. A producer might say "How do you feel about Hannah doing so and so?" and then the contestant will say "I think Hannah... " which an give the show ammo to put clips up out-of-context.
So, I think you were trying to go deep on the show but it isn't fake in the way you're assuming, which was that they were pretending Luke came back kind of his own right and surprised them. Luke came back, and they did not tell Hannah they were ALLOWING that to happen, and the guys were surprised because they didn't know that Luke was sent home on his date in the first place, and therefore were EXPECTING to see him at this rose ceremony. It was manufactured in a way, but not in the way you guessed
*do you know what scripted even means???????*
That's same thing I said. The producers filled his head with Lord knows what and that's why Chris came out and addressed Hannah and not him.
Luke P comes off as so arrogant. He'd be a controlling husband
So you're okay with your future wife sleeping with other men the days before you're about to propose to them?
@@chrisnoziere2893 if one is uncomfortable with that premise they shouldn't go on the show
@@laurend8140 he got recruited to be on the show
@@laurend8140 He thought they were on the same page. Hannah said they were then he asked her about the other guys that's when it started blowing up. So Hannah is in the wrong for not telling him that they arent on the same page.
@@chrisnoziere2893 that's literally the concept of the show... recruited or not he can still say no lol. That is an invalid argument.
I do not like Luke, never had, never will. But he is not wrong. Yes, he must know in what environment he is coming into and yes, the bachelorette is dating and developing relationships with many people. And that involves cuddling and kissing, but. BUT it does not mean You have to sleep with somebody. Especially if You are not to pick him at the end. And even if You do - brag about it on national tv? She is not the first bachelorette and not the first to involve with someone in close sexual relationship, but have You heard from previous ladies about how they had sex?
I think a grown up, serious woman would understand that it is not serious to sleep with one man, then chose the other. That is not a stable establishment.
She might be great, open minded and well spoken and many other great things, but she is NOT ready for marriage. She can chose someone and date for a while to understand what strong relationships are built on and that marriage is not only a title and beautiful wedding.
ABC - I am sure You can find contestants for Bachelor and Bachelorette who are interesting and exciting for TV, but are ready to find love, too... wasn't this show about that? I have a feeling we are loosing it.
vikuciic oh please , this show isn't a Christian show. What wtf was he thinking lol
@@Poopie22 I am not even talking about being a Christian - it is not a place for finding love for them - if You claim to be 100% Christian and almost saint as him - You are definitely there for the wrong reasons.
But for any normal human being - if You are serious - You will suppress Your urges which of course are taking over when being isolated from outside and seeing all those gorgeous men.. suppress or if You have slipped - do not brag. Turn this around - would You be happy to propose to person who You know has already made love to someone else just a few days before? I do not think so.
show is a bubble and unfortunately many of people there find it hard to attach to reality. I am happy that many bachelorettes could.
I think this may be true for you, and that’s okay- we all want different things from relationships. But personally I’m very polyamorous and wouldn’t care at all if my fiancée was still enjoying a sex life with other people. Tyler probably knows what’s up and he is okay with it too. Some people are fine with it, and some not. Both opinions are okay, but if you don’t want your partner sleeping with other people, don’t go on the Bachelorette.
You may really like someone and you have sex and it just dosent work or make you feel anything more. so I can see someone not moving forward with a person after sex.
Luke P didn't sign himself up to be on the show.
Wow! That was spot on! Period!
But grace doesn't mean keep screwing up because God forgives you are suppose to hold yourself higher
Amen. You shouldn’t go around doing it saying “oh I’ll have sex, or I had sex but it’s fine cause God will forgive me.”
It’s more realising the commandments and doing you’re best to become higher without doing those things against him.
joy lang AMEN
I got 3 words for yall ITS NOBODY'S BUSINESS yes indeed her relationship with whatever she believes in (god? Idk) is hers alone if she trips and falls shes the one to fix that relationship right? You're judging the fuck out of her which I thought was a no go for this religion or am I wrong?
Grace28 she shouldn’t claim to be Christian if she’s going to do things Jesus said will keep you out of the kingdom of god. She’s a hypocrite. Sleep with whoever you want, but don’t claim to be a Christian
Exactly why I'm not a big Hannah fan. I can kind of understand why Colton dumped her. She's really goofy.
I'm w/everyone else on Luke P .
He is not self-aware enough to realize he should never have gone on to the show. That being said, I felt for him last night. More, I was disappointed in Chris & the powers that be that were behind last nights episode.
Sorry, but grilling Luke that way was shameful, went low & was below ABC.
-We all have Luke's number-.
Last night felt intended to mop the floor at Luke's expense. *Smug smirks & all, sorry Chris & ABC, your better angels were clearly absent!! 🕊
The "we all have Lukes number" was in response to his tweet to Hannah that when she was ready to repent and talk to him about her evil sinful ways she "had his number".
People out here really saying Hannah doesn’t comprehend her religion “correctly” but ignoring the fact that Luke repeatedly lied, manipulated, and gaslit her. Like y’all really doing that with your whole chest. Embarrassing.
“does that make sense?” “yes” LMAO
Hannah is amazing! I wish I didn’t miss the series.
I love how she Expressed her self.
Me too!!
Chris to Luke: Does that make sense?
Luke: "Yes." (no way any of this actually got through to him)
Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age.
“JESUS STILL LOVES ME!”
Dont use the lord name in vain this is stupid.
@@gmailcom8073 you can say that again
How does she know he does?
No he does NOT
Alicia Jackson Jesus has unconditional love for everyone, regardless of their free will. that’s why He always wants us to come to Him
I was waiting for Chris to say something so the audience would stop bashing Luke but you were encouraging them to do it more.
cherie damour he deserved it tho😂
That’s not true. The tapping was 8 hours long and only 2 hours were shown. So editing shows more of the highlighted bashing
Why are some people defending this creep 😂 his attitude and actions are honestly disturbing and scary. The amount of times she asked him to go and he was like some deranged stalker. No ma’am. Arrogant jerk
Jesus does love her but Jesus will still be the judge. Hell or heaven. No one knows.
Trey Sandoval HOW THE FUCK DID HE DESERVE IT
Luke maybe handled it all wrong, but all she does is contradicting herself. No one is shaming her about sex itself. It's about disrecpect and disregard towards other relationships. The show may be a bubble, but there are feelings involved. She blames Luke for being selfish, yet this was all about her and her feelings. The men are allowed to have reaction too. Here's no right or wrong, she doesn't seem to get it. She wants to be just right.
I'm semi religious, so I can relate to Hannah on that. I can definitely relate to Luke not wanting someone he expected to be engaged to soon sleeping with other men, religion be damned. That doesn't seem unusual to me.
Oh okay... Luke is man of GOD. I respect him because he stands on morals and faith. She doesn't
Hannah is claiming to be someone that she's not (which is a follower of God). I would argue that Luke should have known better and that if he was looking for someone who really took their faith seriously he would have never come on this show in the first place. The show exploits relationships and emotions for tv ratings and basically encourages people to sleep around. I think his biggest problem was that he was just incredibly naive.
@@lukeschilperoort9934 You can follow God and not believe the same things as the person sitting next to you. Your morals are not your families morals. They are personal. God never said sex is a worse sin than wearing mixed threads. Stop picking and choosing according to YOU whether someone is a person of faith. It's not up to you. You don't know her mind. STOP JUDGING. You make Christians look bad by judging others.
No such thing as semi religious. That's like being semi-pregnant. You're either in or out.
@@LSSYLondon Actually if you read your bible, Women who sleep around are not put in a favorable light. And their are actually worse sin than others. For example, saying a curse word is a sin, But Murder is a far greater sin that carries a far greater punishment. So yeah, as someone claiming to be christian, they should already know that.
Her voice does my head in 😫😫😫😬
M. Aden,
Mine too. So annoying! Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard.
“The basis of what I believe is love and loving others, and understanding, and not shaming”
Proceeds to shame Luke for expressing his personal beliefs just because they don’t match up with hers and at the end of the show bullies Luke some more even after he has left the stage
THAT IS what I am saying. it is not okay to question her yet it is completely acceptable to question luke and shame him.
Priscilla wtf? How is she shaming him? for standing up for herself? It’s not at all about his beliefs, it’s about how shitty he was for pushing his beliefs on her and bringing her down constantly for it. She’s asked a question about how it made her feel and telling her side and you’re trying to say she’s “shaming” him? She is literally answering a question that was asked. Man victim shamers are the worst kind of people.
@@andresaldana6758 definitely agree
For real.
Andre - how is he pushing his beliefs on her? She claims to be a Christian. He also claims to be a Christian. He’s stated that he has made the choice to stay celibate because of his beliefs, so he probably was assuming that she felt the same and just wanted to make sure they were on the same page. As a Christian, he knows that sex outside of marriage is considered a sin, so he chooses not to do it. Hannah, on the other hand, seems to think that you can just go around doing whatever you want, knowing full and well that it’s a sin, because “Jesus still loves her”. That’s not how it works. After all, according to the Bible, Jesus forgave a woman and then told her to “sin no more”.
Of course everyone sins in some way or another because no one is perfect, but when that happens, you ask for forgiveness and try to refrain from doing that particular thing anymore. Hannah has admitted that she believes sex before marriage is a sin, but yet she doesn’t appear to have any regret or remorse about having sex on the show. In fact, she’s going around boastfully announcing that she had sex in a windmill. She obviously doesn’t understand that if you claim to be a Christian, your actions should reflect that. Pointing that out doesn’t mean I’m condemning her or saying she should get a “Scarlett letter”. I’m just saying don’t call yourself a Christian and then go around promoting and boasting about having pre marital sex. If you make a mistake, own it. Don’t try to justify it by basically saying you can do whatever you want because Jesus will still love you.
I think Luke has some personality issues and he has said things in the past that were alarming, but when it comes to this particular scenario, I don’t see anything wrong with the question that he asked her. If you were dating a woman that you were planning on possibly proposing to, wouldn’t you want to know if she had been sleeping with other guys days prior? Especially if she claims to have the same beliefs and morals that you do. Wouldn’t you want reassurance that her actions reflect the words that she’s telling you? Marriage is a lifelong commitment and he deserves to know the type of person he is marrying. Anyone who would sleep with 1 or more guys and then accept a marriage proposal from a different guy days later is probably not marriage material.
Hannah handles herself so well I loved her as bachlorette I wish her the best and hope she gets a happy ending!
Not sure why everyone is cheering her on. She has been the worst Bachelorette
If need of the men knew besides Luke, how would they feel.
Sarah Jones I think she has already had her “happy ending” a few times over!!! Lord help her and help us all!!!🙏🏽
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Hannah you wanted somebody to jump the fence for you and you got what you wanted. Luke P risked it all, his dignity and respect just to fight for his love. Colton was a stalker too, remember when Cassy said no but he still went to talk to her? but for them it worked out so it turned into a great love story. Why do you blame him for trying?
@Salina Vitale Luke P will recover. He's trying to establish himself as a Christian voice on Twitter. With his handsome face, conservative Christian women will be lining up to date him. It wouldn't surprise me to hear he's engaged to one of the Duggar girls in a year or two.
U know what ur absolutely right.
I know, right.
She’s said it’s no one’s business to know but she told it on national television.
I absolutely agree with you. I found it so unbelievable last year that she decided to announce on National Television that she slept with Peter 4 times. That was something that should've been discreet, but she decided to share something so private with plenty of the audience members which was so baffling and ridiculous 😳. This girl was the same one on the Men Tell All telling Luke that it was not his business to ask her if she slept with the other guys, but then have the audacity to announce on the After the Final Rose that she slept with Peter 4 times. Do you see the hypocrisy here? She's such a hypocrite. I've never seen a Bachelorette before her announce publicly sleeping with someone in the fantasy suite so proudly on the After the Final Rose. It really makes me question her morals. Her admitting something like that so openly goes on to show she has no decency and class.
@@vernellstlouis7440 you realize that he essentially forced her to say that she had sex during the show when he said that the only way he would leave is if she told him that she was having intercourse with other members of the show.
I’m a Christian. There’s no shame in Christ. Thas the reason I follow Him, bc HE took my shame away.
Yessssssss
Literally the entire men tell all was them casting stones at him. How ironic.
DUTCHI he deserved it
Mrs Jacobs it’s a mentality like that that creates a viscous cycle that never ends in peace.
DUTCHI we’ll even the Bible says “judge lest ye be judged” and he judged first. So even by biblical standards, the backlash was warranted.
Mrs Jacobs That’s where things are misconstrued though. He wasn’t judging, he was making sure they were on the right page when it came to sexuality. He had every right to know if she was sleeping with another man days before he would make the the huge decision to propose to her.
DUTCHI oh please, he was so judging. He even called it a “slip up” as if it were a mistake. “He has every right to know if she was sleeping with another man” why would he want to know? And why couldn’t he have asked her in private? They could have gone into fantasy suits and they could’ve talked about it there but no, he had to publicly call her out and make her feel shamed.
Being held accountable and being “shamed” are two different things. When you become a Christian, you are held to a different standard and because of that, people around you are going to call you out on your crap. I am the person I am today because people didn’t just let me do whatever I wanted as to not “shame” or offend me. No one is perfect and Jesus loves all, but does not condone sexual sin as a lifestyle BECAUSE he loves us and wants better for us. Luke didn’t do everything right on this show but he wasn’t some monster. This is so old and tired at this point. He was worried about where her heart was at and if she thought that sex outside of marriage was okay as a lifestyle. It wasn’t about the mistakes she had made but whether or not she owned those as mistakes or if she saw it as a norm for her.
Being held to a standard that is unfounded is ridiculous. Being christian is a faith based position....meaning unsupported....subjective. Calling sex before marriage a "sexual sin" is subjective. There is no basis for it. There is no reason to think of it as a morally wrong act. No data to support that. Therefore, she made no "mistake".
Tyrch - she very openly claims to be a Christian. The Bible without a doubt does not condone pre marital sex. If she’s going to claim to be a Christian, her actions need to reflect her words.
@@nataliec1964 Who cares what the bible does not condone. It claims wearing mixed fabrics is an abomination..or that animals can talk. SO WHAT?! It's a work of ancient literature.....not reality. Saying what the bible does or does not condone.....doesn't show HOW something is immoral. It isn't based on data. It is UNFOUNDED. SUBJECTIVE. FAITH....BASED.
Tyrch Temph you’re deranged.
Natalie C well said. Whether or not someone on the outside agrees with religion, if a person claims to belong to one, but then does not live their lifestyle accordingly, they should be called on it.
I am only here after seeing commercials of the Bachelor and Bachelorette on TV and I must say shows like these are so unreal. Relationships take time to build and can not be made during a show's run. No wonder many couples live in a fantasy world.
Yes Hannah you deserve someone way better than him scrue him you don’t have nothing to be ashamed of !❤️
Oh really so if you were talking to a that u fell head over heels for and you found out he had sex with someone else you'd want him still? If that is yes then you either are desperate and have no values. She has other men there how and why would a man (unless super desperate) want to propose to Hannah after she had sex with someone else. Why didnt she like Colton did in the Bachelor send the other people home and be with that person. Smh
I meant to add a man that...oops
If it's nobody's business what the world are you doing on NATIONAL TV????
Sherry Brown amen!
Sherry Brown Thank you ! My thoughts exactly Luke could do so much better than someone so outright sexually deviant and full of anger issues like her .
I know, right.
wemadeyouproductions what the fuck are you seriously defending him 😂 I can’t with people like this
There are people who went into the fantasy suites and we still don’t know whether they had sex. Being on The Bachelor / Bachelorette, and your sex life being nobody’s business are not incompatible concepts.
Peters ex girlfriend, just like Jed's also spoke out on how "innocent" Peter broke up with HIS girlfriend days before going on the show!! Everybody needs to stop attacking Luke because there ARE men, 2 of the finalists who are wolves dressed in sheep clothing!
Why does it matter when he broke up with his girlfriend if he at least did?
@Al Wa That's true! Personally, I rather have someone be up front about who they are, even if it's creepy, instead of being around someone that's holding a secret for this long. When someone is boldly creepy at least I have the knowledge of it and choice of leaving them but the fact that Peter and Jed were so judgemental off if Luke and then the show is over and all of their secrets are just pouring out. That's too sneaky.
Peter broke up with his girlfriend before he was even casted
@@Jenni.P not what she said, she said 4 days before
They won't be attacked. In fact they are adored by the other men of this season. But they all bully luke. If thats not hypocrisy I don't know what is.
You didn’t have one so maybe you don’t know IM ROLLING💀😂👏🏻
How is calling someone narcissistic not judging someone(even licensed therapists don't do that in such ways... this is just not acceptable behaviour) .. & how is saying **** leave not cussing or shaming someone..
:( sorry, but that was uncalled for on part of a lead.
'Being real' or having strength isn't in shaming one who you think is shaming you.
Honestly, so put off by this Bachelorette season's last two episodes, don't want to watch any further of this season...
and never had liked Luke P so much and never thought I would perhaps ..but towards the end he does seem more honest and vulnerable and willing to change and learn and grow than anyone else.. everybody else's aggressive behaviour and bullying or lies even it seems are conveniently couched or veiled within the excuse that Luke P behaved badly.
Liked John Paul Jones's responses on Luke P that I saw was recently recorded.. balanced and only person who thinks Mr Parker isn't a bad guy, perhaps.
Feel like no one deserves to be treated like Luke P was towards the end. No one. It's just humiliating and sad.
And a gang of boys bullying in a group one they dislike - it's not new.
It's happened earlier too..& has happened with women too..a gang of girls stacked up against an obvious 'competitor' Krystal N.. so that's not new.
But making one person the 'villain' that everyone bashes for a reality drama show needs to end.
That's not cool.
Done with Luke P then best to stop talking about him than 'insulting' further with hurtful words.. I mean this is also a human being with a family that cares .. so a little kindness may be nice or have been nice.
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Ps: unbelievable also that this even needs to be said in this day and age .. about women's rights over women's bodies.. ✌🏻seems everyone has "growing up" to do..
and Bachelorette seriously, how about casting a non heterosexual or queer Bachelorette for next season after casting Haley Stevens( if she may wish to that is).. it's not just heterosexual couples that make this world you know.. incase you'll haven't noticed yet. 🙄🤦♀️
Lynne Henry i totally agree with you
Jpj for bachelor pleeeeease
You are tired of talking about Luke but you keep coming back to it. It seems to me, you didn’t get over him. Just let it go because Jed is so worth it. He lies through his teeth and you felt for it! His family? They basically told you he wasn’t the one 🙄
I love Hannah, but why the whole men tell all is about Luke P? Jed should be in the hot seat too, Luke is a good guy, i think he's being misunderstood sometimes because of how he communicates! He did well in the hot seat with everyone bulling him!
He’s in final 2. Final 1 and 2 are never at Men Tell All.
Because he's still on the show. I imagine he'll get his next week.
The only reason people hate Luke is because he is not good with words and communicating his feelings. But he was still there for the right reasons. Jed and few others deserve A LOT more backlash than Luke ever got.
@@abbygriffin9105 I totally agree!!
This season should be called ‘Hannah doesn’t like luke’
You can’t be selective with religion tho...
Yet, y'all religious folk still regularly lie, cuss, envy and sometimes use God's name in vain, so who exactly is the authority on religion? Everybody's a damn sinner, there's no perfect religious person, so get off your high horse.
I don't agree with Luke how he went about it .but I never understood why these bachelors an bachelorette needing to have to sleep with each other to find love 90 percent of these fantasy sweets they have been intimate dates .past seasons have proved that .i don't think u have to sleep with someone to find out who is , mr right Luke was just controlling an approached the wrong way
looking back at this and seeing him pause for so long so he could come up with a lie. i can’t. he really was truly horrible and misogynistic and terrifying. so controlling. i pray for the girl he ever dates or gets married to in the future.
1:38 the way jonathan comes into frame has me dying
Grace is not a license to sin. Hannah is not understanding the concept of grace from the Bible.
Truth.
Ok so what is basically a fantasy suit??? Fantasy suits just scream SEX. I get Luke's point. Really. He does have a valid point and Hannah trying to insult and bash him for that is definitely not good. But if he held such beliefs then he shouldn't have come to the show. He should have known what happens in the show. This show has been going on for a really long time and everybody who comes here, knows what they are getting into. This show promotes polygamy, so, I think if Luke held such beliefs, he shouldn't have come on the show in the firsf place.
Hermione Granger exactly! Plus at the beginning of the show may we recall he was the one who took his shirt off and that awkward massage part where Jed came in.. just can’t.
Jim Johnson of course I know massage isn’t sex🙄 what an saying if he’s trying to come clean, then what are those other things he did in the show?
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She said SHE SHARED those beliefs on Coltons show .Thats why he came. He came for her.
@Daiz Camacho that's why he should have known what happens in the show before coming
PS... Hannah, you don't deserve any of these guys in this process, fix yourself first
lmao you'e acting like you know her personally.
Bahahah when Chris Harrison says "Does that make sense?" And threw Luke's own bs back at him that was amazing
So tired of the wait here!!!! Ready for bachelor in paradise!
No, Grace is no license to sin.
Luke P you are the best. Stay strong.
God bless you!
Saving Power oh gosh, if god is blessing such a psychopatic person please help us. Its like all those priests who are secretly pedophiles.
Did you miss the part where he body-slammed Luke S? Even if you agree with him about sex, boy got problems.
Even if hannah was out if the line and didn't understand him, Luke p is still a douche bag with major issues , he's very violent and immature, honestly he's not better then her, i am sick of you people defending him just because he's a christian, the guy is toxic, period.Him wanting to save himself for marriage doesn't make up for his awful personnality and narcissism
I mean Luke is right, a women of faith doesn’t do that
BS. Tell that to all the woman - and men having sex before marriage so 95% of American adults basically.
Mike Bevacqua a woman / man of faith should not do that. But sadly many people in general say they are christian but hold no high moral standards...But hey this is reality tv. As a christian myself i would not go on one of these...
Amen! This is the truth!
@Chipmonk amen!!
Right, but she made it clear that she DOES do that. So at that point it's up to him to decide whether he wants to continue to try and be in a relationship with her or not. They are both adults. Obviously she didn't have the same beliefs in regards to sex and their religion which he did, so he could have left, and at that point she wanted him to leave, so they were on the same page that it wouldn't work out for them. But he decided to come back
The face made by the guy behind Luke @1:40 😹😹😹💀💀💀
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE????😂😂👏👏👏