VW ID Buzz Cargo range test with trailer part 2
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L = Load weight (how many kg you are allowed to load the trailer with). Those numbers are not dimensions.
T = Total weight (the maximum total weight of a loaded trailer including the load).
So, you can always calculate the unloaded weight of the trailer by subtracting L from T.
literal facepalm moment xD but I can see how someone unfamiliar with a vehicles technical data sheet could mistake it for being length. but still xD
You can change camera wider by putting your hand near the screen and pressing the button from below.
4:20 You checked the trailer lights but still failed to see that the right rear light on the trailer doesn't work. 🙄
Only the license plate light and turn signal works on the right light.
7:17 Kudos for backing up [ like a Buzz ] one handed and videoing it in the mirror and back-up display. 💯👍
16:15 I bet that ID buzz would be very close to the battle with Tesla m3. Currently, the charging curve of ID buzz is even slightly better than m3 if you look at nor to 80% time. Of course efficiency is paramount so a test is needed... Can't wait! As other cars concern, bmw iX should be competitive, as well as the new 2023 Fat E-tron.
Bjorn is a cool guy
You can check break lights against a wall or window of the gas station. Then you dont need to leave car at all to check position/blinkers either.
Thank you for the great video, once again, you make the best EV videos out there.
I would love to see a trailer 1000 km challenge with the Hyundai Ioniq 5 (preferably 2023 model, so 77 kWh as well as RWD and 19" tires). I think it would be one of the fastest, because of an efficient drive-train coupled with very fast charging but rather mediocre aerodynamics, so the range penalty from the bad aerodynamics of the trailer might not be so bad, just like with the ID Buzz. Maybe that would also be a great time to try out and rate the new battery preconditioning features of the e-GMP platform?
I think the range penalty while towing on the Model 3 or Model Y might be higher, just like it was with Optimus Prime.
I have often heard that towing efficiency is mostly dictated by the trailer, and not so much by the towing vehicle, which would support the aforementioned theories. Of course that only works with a similarly efficient drivetrain tho.
Overall tho, I think the fastest cars right now when towing a 1000 kg trailer might be BMW iX/EQS SUV, they should be pretty similar with 10-80% in 30 min and around 106 kWh usable battery capacity, giving them 300 km of range. New Audi Q8 E-Tron will probably be similar to the iX/EQS SUV and 2023 KIA EV9 might also be interesting for towing, when it is available.
ID Buzz cargo has .29cd, better than some hatchbacks.
For the towing speed I say Model Y as the extra roof height should work well. Charge port and charger position would probably make a big difference, you need a combo that can charge without unhitching.
4:40 you shouldn't test with hazard lights because you will not know if left signal is swapped with right. Just 3 days ago I was following a car with trailer and the trailer cable was wired incorrectly. When car signaled left, trailer signaled right.
Yes. So right…
I tow a foldaway camper trailer behind the Polestar 2. When loaded to about 1300kg I get 28kWh/100km consumption, which is pretty good!
@4:29 “Audis and BMWs don’t need to test [turn signals]” Thanks for the laugh!
Great test, please add this as one of your standard test.
Here in British Columbia Canada, Telsa owners don't use turn signals either.
Great, more trailer tests please!
From my experience the aerodynamics does much more bad for highway driving than the weight, at least for sub 1300kg trailers.
At least with ID3, you can switch the backup camera to 180dec view. There’s a button on the screen for that.
Very good test with the trailer.
Please do this with the cars with tow hook
The other hand is doing something else 😂😂
You can try with my ioniq 5 2023, it can tow 1600 kg
As a caravan owner currently using dieselpower to tow, I'm really interrested in real life tests of cars pulling a big bricks behind. So far my conclution have been that the price of e-cars with the towing capasity I need, and the range I would like, is none existing, but maby things are about to change
Min requierments... legaly pulling 1800kg. And be able to drive from the ferry terminal in Kristiansand, to Stavanger on 80%soc, and no range anxiety when i get closer to home. (approx 20% soc upon arrival.)
Until then, i use my old diesel to tow, our Leaf as a daily. And bikes for commute.
Look up Andrew Ditton's TH-cam channel. He tows acaraven with an EV6 and it seems to do fine though the range is cut in half
Pro tip: use the red box with the emergency warning triangle and press it between the brake pedal and the seat to test the brake pedal.
@@MasterChief37 there are quite a few underpowered cars towing caravans, but overall, i do not see many travelling with unlegal weight behind cars... but that is still very subjective...
I use a 2011 ssangyong rodius for my 1700kg caravan. Not overpowered, but still very capable
@@MasterChief37 because the population of Norway comparatively to its size is tiny.. Norway is empty it's Like a ghost country compared to the UK for example
Hei men thanks for the videos, the golf 7 2016 2.0tdi have the ficture as well, good at vw still continiu with inprovments. Kipp up the good work, big hug!
Thanks for the nice video 🤩
Hej Björn.
Uppskattade verkligen denna video. Skulle vara mycket intresant med fler trailer tester gärna med lite vikt också.
Keep up the good work.
Note on checking the lights on the trailer after connection: My ID.4 actually tells me when some lights do not work when e.g. the bulb is kaputt. I suspect other cars will as well. I don't know how exactly (I suspect they measure continuity of the Pins to ground) but it's pretty handy. However you should still check manually.
You could see the indicator on the dash here too. It is the extra turn signal on the bottom of the dash with a small number 1 on top of it. It flashes when the trailer turn signal is flashing.
😂l always wonder:😮 what if the only thing that is broken on uR dashboard turns out to BE” THE” warning LIGHT😢
@@davidwong825 That is why there is a self-test that lights up all the lights on your dash when you turn the ignition on. 😉
Would also be interesting to see which would be the best EV to tow a horse trailer and how fast/far you could travel. Ideally we try to keep travel time to less than about 4-5 hours whenever possible.
Biggest battery will win, Tesla will fall to one of last places because they rely on aerodynamics so much...
Bjørn, T is total allowed weight and L is how much you can Load the trailer. 😊
Test Model 3/Y vs. Ioniq 5/EV6 (400V vs 800V)
The backup camera has a wide view. If you press on the screen, a button is available to switch the view
Just a fyi : if you press the P-meny button you can use the backup camera while driving 👍
1000km Challenge with trailer would be cool!
The backup camera has a wide angle. The symbol pops up at the bottom when you approach the screen with the hand.
it would be nice to see the separate test category with trailer
Anhängerkupplung :) I like the German words here and there
Cheers, Bjørn. Any chance you can run a test with a few hundred kg of load in the van and trailer?
Bjorn the Volvo xc40 recharge has a trailer test mode which be started from driver seat.
Geely has had that for many years now. Cool to see they use it across several models. 👏
Du er flink å rygge TrailerBjørn
Please make video about trip to Copenhagen !!
I sweden you have to use the dedicated hook for the break safe wire if there is any. Else you are allowed to put it around the big hook.
*brake
Auto steering is also working at ID.4 + Trailer
I would suggest Model Y LR towing a caravan would be cool to watch. Using the car battery for winter camping. Ioniq5 or ev6 in that case...
Bjørn, something new about date for lwb , and 4wd, best r Lars, Geilo
Would be interesting to compare ev's with 1400+ kg trailer capacity (model y, ev6, ioniq 5, eqa, eqc, polestar, ex40, id4/5 gtx, enyaq) hooked up with a horse carrier. Without load it will be around 800 kg and if you can find a horse as well it will be around 1300 kg. In any event it will be with a massive drag, due to the hight of the trailer.
Range is a bit more essential as you may not be able to charge with a horse in the back 😉
Luckily, should you find yourself stranded with an empty battery you could always hook up car and trailer to the horse and let it do the towing.
Hi Bjørn! nice test. could you eventually test the cargo version of the Citröen spacetourer? in some countries is called e-Jumpy or Dispatch but should be the same can as spacetourer and I guess it should be with the bigger battery (75 kW). there are already some campervan builds for that Citröen and so it would be nice to check on that van vs id buzz (cargo) because they eventually even sell for the same price more or less. If you do test it, I would ask, if possible, to focus also on the comparison of the comfort on using the auto steering on those two van's (VW vs Citröen) :)
thanks for so many EV tests. It's really great to get all that data and your opinion too.
I've got the peugeot e-expert, same as the citroen. It's a Great van, but much bigger cargo capacity than the buzz, the buzz is the same cargo dimensions as the partner/berlingo L2.
I don't think it has any auto driving functions though. It has a lane departure warning in the optional safety pack, but i think it's just a vibration in the steering wheel and maybe a noise warning. I don't think it keeps the van in the lane.
Bruk varseltrekant til å sette mellom setet og bremsepedal for å teste bremselys på hengeren.
Aprox the hand to the screen when camera is active and you can select a "fish eyed" view to have a wider view. Normally most VW also have trailer assist when they have the trailer hook that allow to have a more easy life with the trailer. Don't know if that's the case with buzz cargo
EV6 LR for the 1000km trailer Challenge. Pulls 1600 kg and charging speed will make it beat TM3 LR ⚡️⚡️🚘
Did a lot of towing with my eNV200, the higher roof trailer will make a big difference
Du kan prøve nio es8 for tilhenger- tauetest?!?
Well, my Enyaq allows auto steering while towing...
Greetings to Bjørn from Björn
In my country a chain that is attached to the trailor and is hung around the tow hook is compulsory. If it gets unhooked for some reason at least it stays with the vehicle.
That chain or cable is pulling the brakes of the trailer
@@adrianmatei4086 Yes I understand that, but if the traitor gets unhooked for some reason it might be breaking but it will still be free on the road. Where the chain that is compulsory by us will keep it hooked to the tow bar of the car.
Cars like Ford 150 Lightning, Rivian check the caravan lights.
Great video but the sound system in vw vans have always been garbage,but would love if you could do the 1000km challenge with it full of joiners tools 🛠️ for a proper real world experience.
isn't the drag coefficient of ID Buzz only .29cd? that's really good for box!
In Sweden you're only allowed to drive at max 80 km/h. Is it 90 in Norway?
I want trailer light test mode; in the app or from infotainment.
[Start Light Test Cycle Sequence] = Cycle through all rear lights.
- Rear lights
- Break lights
- Left turnsignal
- Right turnsignal
- Reverse lights
- Rear fog light
With app control, you can possibly have manual controls too.
Try the BMW iX. It’s got the towing capacity.
A 1000k challange with fully loaded van and trailer ^^
I wonder if we will get that fancy hitch system in Canada.
It is the standard hitch system in Europe.
Nio will be fastest if you do the batteri swap. Even disconnection before swapping will be faster than charging
Finnish TH-camr Harri Salo tested EV:s with trailer last winter. There was q4 e-tron, model 3 and ioniq5. The ioniq 5 was most efficient with trailer. Even better than model 3. You can search the test Harri Salo episode 131.
A banana box test with trailer and bananas 🍌 still in boxes 📦
Suggestion: Get a deal with a camping-company to loan campers (campingvogn) to test driving with big trailer/camper with the max weight for the car.
It would be interesting seeing the ID Buzz Long Version with big battery with a trailer for the 1000 km challange. It is not out yet, but I heard from several bigger families that this would be the right combination.
Also, it would be interesting to see a camper with the maximum allowed weight behind an electric car. Auto Motor und Sport (german car magazin) did such a test a few years ago. But they cheated, because they are petrol heads. It was a big camper behind Model X, and they had an 100 km/h Sticker on the camper. So I guess they went 120 km/h on the german autobahn. I think they made less than 200 km.
Tesla Model Y + trailer would be a interesting and relevant test since it can tow 1600kg. Tesla Model 3 can only tow 900kg, I believe. A loaded boxy trailer will be heavier than that.
WHen the Ford transit EV to banana test?
Try towing 1000km with NIO with a 150 kwh battery when it becomes availabel. It should be possible to tow 300-400 km. between charging stops, and possible to charge with 480 KW all the way up to 80 percent of full battery charge, or 350 KW if you can only find charging stations with 350 kw capacity.
Here in Finland drivers need at least BE driver's license for that vehicle combination.
This trailer has wider tyres than my car, I don't know how to feel about this 😂
Interesting to see that it consumes around 100hp to climb the hill, so my question is is there an app the connected w obd will shows real time hp usage while driving on combustion engines?
Yes. Wired ones will show this too
Yes, basically Torque OBD app with Bluetooth OBD reader should show this for most of newer cars. Many new cars have Torque limiting and they measure or estimate torque to not damage transmission
@@darekmistrz4364 What about for older cars? 2005 models
@@lipcsaiify for older unfortunately no. There are some "Dyno" apps but they measure one time and can be quite far from accurate
I think new q8 Etron would be the fastest, model 3 would suffer from the much higher drag
I agree. If the new fat e-tron that has 104kWh net capacity will charge at 175kW with super flat curve (as it should be), then it may become trailer king. Much depends on the allowed speed as well for sure.
NIO el7 with 150kwh battery
In USA, we aren’t offered that convenient hitch on any vehicle.
Towing speed can be increased to 100km/h, if your car and trailer fulfills the criteria for tempo100. So that reduces time required for 1000km challenge quite a bit. 🙂
What are the requirements?
Also, if he does the 1000km route into sweden that doesn't apply. 80km/h speed limit when towing in sweden.
@@matthiashejlskov5008 correct, not in Sweden. But in Norway, Denmark, Germany, don't know where else. There are som requirements, the trailer needs to be inspected, it needs suspension, depending onweight it needs a stability coupler, the tires can't be too old and so on... But it is possible, at least in parts of Europe.
You defenently should drive 1000km trailer challenge with iX because it is allowed to tow more then every other electric car
Hummer ev on street tires? At least it could pull every car trailer weightwise. And has a good range from 100%.
Maybe 400km loaded, then u cover snowmobile weekendtrip for most ppl.
Fisker Ocean Trailer 1000km challenge, as soon as available? 100+ kWh battery and 250kW peak charging speed…
You got that turn signal mixed up. Here it's Volvos that doesn't know how a turn signal works. Also seam to be out of power since they always drive 10 under
No safety chains required in Norway ?
In Europe, we use the cable he showed. It should be attached to the vehicle, not around the tow hook. If the tow hook breaks, the cable activates the trailer brakes. It doesn't keep the trailer attached to the vehicle
@@mattiasjohansson8664 I live in Europe, and I use both
You’ll use a chain if you trailer is sub 750kgs and doesn’t have brakes. Breakaway cable above that weight.
1.000 km Challenge With trailer, Ioniq 5, EV 6, MY M3
Next test, with a load.
8:50
Q4 can do it.
New Model S long range can pull 1600 kg in the EU. And has 250 kWh max V3 charge. 😀👌🏻
250 kW
@@bjornnyland haha you are expert, what you say. 😀
Last time when I pulled a trailer in my Model 3 LR the consumption was pretty ok, around 200wh/km but that was driving 80-90kph and on the right lane of the Autobahn so there were also many Trucks driving there, but I was still impressed with the consumption and it was a big boxy 750kg trailer taller than the car.
1.8miles/kWh , not bad considering…
Would love to see a test of Model Y with trailer!
EV 6 can tow 1600kg
I bet on the new model S
KIA EV6
I'd bet either EV6 or maybe even the ID Buzz. Because the trailer has so bad aerodynamics a taller vehicle with decent aero for its height might decrease the consumption. All the aerodynamic properties of eg. the EQS will be completely wasted with a big box behind
🇹🇭💓Nice nice
EV6
The poor trailer capacity on VW EVs was actually a deal breaker
for me, I will have my Kia EV6 delivered in less than two weeks.
Really strange you didn’t see that the right driving light is dead.
The weight is really nothing for the electric motor. I wonder why they have such low tow weights.
I have the e-expert, and even towing 1200kg once i forgot to put it in the power mode because i didn't feel the weight of the trailer at all.
But considering the diesel expert can tow 2 tons with the same power engine i don't get why it's only 1 ton with the electric.
The kangoo e-tech gets 1500kg with a weaker motor though. 😅
Nice video 👍
Good thing it's possible to use autosteer in the VW.
Tesla autopilot has a lot of room for improvement! It should be able to use lane assist in Tesla as well just as you can use adaptive cruise control only.
When you say Tesla can do some evasive maneuver, that is not completely true. My silly TMY autopilot try to force the car directly into potholes, and when I want to turn slightly to avoid it, the autopilot is fighting me because it want the car to drive straight into the obstacle in the road or pothole. All of a sudden it suddenly let go making the car turn across the lanemarking.
Since the road here in the country Europe where I live is so full of small rocks and potholes in the road I end up not using autopilot almost at all. Also the stupid pingpong sound it makes all the time is ridiculous and I hate it. I wish Tesla could extend the Joe mode to feature all sillysounds.
I miss lane assist in my old Ioniq 😥And ventilated seats 😥And adjustable regen 😥And no stupid pingpongsounds 😥
But at least Tesla has focused on implementing the very important farting sound...
Do a trailer test.. with you one trailer to get the same for all the tests, and for sake of the family go for a 600km test..
The higher the car the lower the drag
BMWs and audis dont test the turn signals xddddddddddd
Alex Jones approves the test.