I converted my old mountain bike to a 800W 36v Ebike for around $400. I got the rear wheel ebike kit for $200 and the battary for $200. I installed it all by myself. I saved around $1500.
I recently rode an e-trike, the HP Velo Scorpion... Holy crap, I've never wanted a bike so much in my life. I recently broke my femur and have been struggling to get exercise while it heals. Granted I didn't feel like I was doing much work, but it was a pure joy to ride.
Hi there bicycle riders, I own an electric bike since three years and I simply enjoy all my traveling miles. It allows you to rest when you get exhausted and you can enjoy the scenery much more and stay longer outdoors. I recommend electric bikes to everyone that can afford it.
"Add-e" is the best electronic unit to add to a bike out of what I have seen thus far in converting a mechanical bike to an electrical bike. It is light weight (
I ride an electric bike because it's FASTER. If you know basic bike maintenance skills, you can make an ebike for around $800 with lithium ion batteries. Buy a rear wheel hub motor, 1hp (750w) is the sweet spot, bolt it on and attach the battery and controller. I use an ebike to commute about 160km (100 miles) per week.
Don't know it till you've tried it . I beat roadies on my commuter and I weight train everyday but damn these things are fun whether for convenience or just bombing around .
$3,500.....hilarious.....I can build one for about $600...and TONS of them are $1,200........LOVE the idea but at that price you wont be selling many bikes...
Not worth going cheap imo ,In my area they would sell at that price no problem , the cheap 1k to $1500 one's ive seen are like a kmart bikes, (poorly built junk)... Specialized turbo Levo is 6 to 10k ... I built a 1000 watt bike , cost 650 just for the 12 AH lithium-ion battery, just sayin , you get what you pay for .... ( tried a led acid battery and it was a joke )
I have two e-bikes and love them, I get around Berlin without having a hassle of traffic or parking. It's fun and that's priceless. Can't put money on a smile! For all you opened minded and future thinking people, give it a try and then build your opinion.
These seem only good for old people. If you're young you'd be amazed how far you can go on a bike. Several years ago me and my mate attempted to ride regular bikes from his house in one town to another town 26km away (16 miles). He rode his super heavy steel frame BMX with no brakes and I rode my kinda heavy mountain bike with 27 gears. We just wore regular cloths and I took a 2.25L Coke in my backpack. There was 2 big hills on the trip. The kind with really long low gradients which I hated, I wish they'd just have a super steep gradient and get it over with quickly. Up hill having all those gears didn't seem to give me much of an advantage over his BMX with 1 gear but on the flat I was just blazing away, I'd have to stop wait, have time to take my bag off, have a few drinks, then he'd finally catch up. That BMX is just no contender for my 27th gear. The trip was supposed to take all day if we made it at all but we got there rather quickly and ended up running out of stuff to do at the destination. We did all their bike trails, I think we must have gone down every street, went up and down the beach. The journey there was supposed to be the main thing that day but was actually really short. I think we must have clocked 50km (31 miles) by the end of the day from riding around the town. Maybe we need a more challenging trip?
KiwiPowerNZ WE ALL HAVE THOSE STORIES... I walked 72 miles in two days straight from London north towards Scotland, straight up the M1, with a backpack!, until a cop stopped me and told me walking along the M1 was illegal, so I took the train the rest of the way to Edinburgh. I have lots of stories like that... YOUTH!! Nonetheless, having an electric motor on a bike can be scaled up CHEAPLY to a very nice trail bike, and although you can still argue about the manual models, kids are going nut for them!
I suppose everyone has their motives for riding: Commute from point A to point B, physical conditioning, competitive racing, etc. This is nice addition to the bicycling world. I would love to see more people in my area (Los Angeles) get out of their car and on a bike. Less traffic, less pollution, less money needed for bigger and better road projects, less noise, better fitness, and most importantly, MORE ACCEPTANCE!
The problem with a lot of these electric bike conversions is that for those who cycle for fitness, yet might need a little extra boost in going up the hills; the electric conversions are way too big, bulky, and ADD a lot of unwanted additional weight to the bike, meaning making regular pedaling a little harder than before they had the e-conversion kit placed on their bikes. The goal for these innovators should be; compact and lightweight. (such as the Add-e unit)
I did that and the savings weren't massive. I had to buy a two pannier racks (first broke) pannier bag, battery, hydr brakes as my old ones weren't up the task, new shifters because I had to drop the cassette and get a freewheel, new cables... Then there's the fact I had to keep making trips to the local shop because problems kept arising during building. Had to search for a day to find a very VERY specific-sized shim as my freewheel caught on the motor, jamming the chain. The list goes on.
absolutely right! i have e bike which one cost to me $240 (36v brush-less motor) + lion battery pack (36v 12ah) for $150 + couple buck for wiring. so, $400 plus your old bike. there pure jerk business to sell them more then $600 thinking they are brand new and factory made, because factory selling them for $100 to dealers!
With 10-14 k you can also get a street fighter like a fz09 which is a torque monster and very comfortable for commuting. And if you are an eco friendly kinda guy you can buy an electric motorcycle for that sum of money.
antanassk laimarep its like..I must conside carbon profiter while selling bikes..Thats the point.Too expensive for common people..Whats more for poor Asians like us..
I plan on building up an ebike to supplement my car. I am excited to get it set up and take over short hops on it, but nothing beats cruising down the highway with the windows down and the radio cranked up.
For people saying they'd rather buy a car... Would a 3000-4000 come with an engine? I mean you could get a car and it might even run, but for how long? You'll spend a fortune getting it street legal. Then you have to register it, which means a week at the DMV. Then the insurance, and finally, you have to put gas in the thing. A car costs around 9000 per year. Personally, I'd rather have the E bike. For cyclists saying, it's lazy. I have three words... 20 mile commute. Not everyone sees a bike as a gym on wheels. For me a bike is practical transportation, which it was always meant to be. It's the clowns dressed in lycra on a carbon fiber road bike that I can't stand. A good bike has a rack, fenders and a decent chain guard. *I* don't need an E bike because there aren't many hills where I live. I wouldn't attempt to ride a regular bike in San Francisco.
MelkorHimself Good for you but I'd have to be pretty desperate to get somewhere fast to ride a road bike. Personal preference. Give me a Gazelle Toer Populair any day. That's an oma/opafeits, the quintessential Dutch bike. Also, *you* may be able to average 22-24 mph on your own, but that wouldn't really help, say my father who will be 54 this week and has COPD. The point of an electric bike, and I'm going by the Netherlands here, is to get where you're going, in a suit and tie or whatever you wear, and not look like you just ran a marathon and be drenched in sweat when you get there.
MelkorHimself Well that is due to the law not the bike, the bikes can go much faster but if you want to remain legal you stick within the law, EU bikes are worse.
I bought a 'wayscral' e-bike in 2014, for 389 €, cheapest on the market & it goes 40 km on 1 charge, 3 assistence levels, 15, 20, and 25 km an hour. It's made in France. It was a first try for an e-bike and it still keeps running :) why spend 3500 if you can get 1 for 389?
I've seen some NICE E bikes for $3500! Wow! Beautiful bikes! No, it's not the cheapest, i understand. But the workmanship, the quality of the parts, and the "fun factor" of the pricier bikes, would make it worth it. And some people have / make serious money to afford it. Not me, but if i did have that kind of money....
i used to ride a MTB, replaced it with a E-bike, won't go back lol. There is a fair bit of misconception that alot of people think E-bikes are for lazy people. alot of the e-bikes (BH, Gepida) require you to pedal for the motor to assist you. if you want a bit of a exercise or workout just pedal harder or you can take it easy and just cruise. there has been times that i've come home sweaty. sure for the price i paid for mine i can get a cheap scooter (which i don't even want), Scooter requires rego, petrol, more expensive servicing and your not allowed to ride in the bicycle lane.
Anyone trashing ebikes has never owned one. I have one and I tear up Philly with it. It is by far the fastest, cheapest way to get around a city. I feel bad for other couriers :( but sometimes i offer a boost going west from 33rd to 39 :D
+Dino “MaiaBrainwave” Sabanovic The bike shops inflate the price for insurance basically. You pay for the bike and they will support it until its completely unusable. Which involves servicing the motor, battery and troubleshooting issues that an end user will unlikely be able to solve themselves. You can build an ebike for $600 using a kit called the hilltopper which easily competes with $2000 ebikes because its basically a wheel that plugs into a battery.
Consider the legality of using e-bikes on bike paths in your area. The trail I use to commute to work does not allow any motorized traffic, which includes e-bikes (electric wheelchairs are the one and only exception). One benefit of commuting by bike is exercise. E-bikes reduce that benefit, and put out more pollution and waste thanks to the battery. I buy a week's worth of groceries, load it onto my bike trailer, and haul it 10 miles home, without any electric assist. Was it difficult at first? Heck yeah. After months of training on-road and at the gym? Not so much. I rock an old mountain bike with a 22/32/42 crankset with a custom built 7-speed cassette (14-32). Plug in some fast paced music and spin up those hills. It has helped me improve my physical conditioning, to become a stronger cyclist.
I bet you aren't 87 like I am and don't live in the mountains. I have a mid drive E-bike as my only transportation. I ride up hills that other people push their bikes up. I have a choice of riding it as a regular bike, power assist or power only and can choose how much effort I want to expend to keep in shape. I built E-bikes from individual components and Kits for twenty years. I paid $3000 for my bike. If I had bought the components and built it it would have cost $4000. If I include the value of my time, it would have cost $5000 or more.
It's only meant for situation like climbing a hill or bridge or something to give you the enough boost I don't see any harm in that as long as you can switch back to the "normal bike" mode whenever it's possible ! my only complain is it's so expensive for a bike.
One thing's for sure, if these e-bikes cost as much as motorcycles there is no way they are the future mode of transportation. Clearly meant for the elite classes of society
Death by Dudezki www.google.com/search?q=electric+bicycle&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#tbm=shop&q=electric%20bicycle&tbs=vw%3Al%2Ccat%3A1026%2Cpdtr0%3A878471|878472%2Cprice%3A1%2Cppr_min%3A%2Cppr_max%3A800&spd=4083083511801562829 check that link, those are much more affrodable. I think those prices are bullshit too.
As I am now setting up my trike with a electrical assist as where I live in Red Bluff where you are either going up a hill or going down a hill. The nightmare begins I need to custom rig the wiring with little or no help from where I bought it from. What I would like to see in a trike is a custom setup for electrical assist, front and rear disk brakes and lights. Now you have something for people who can’t ride a regular bicycle and need a workhorse to do day to day needs. Why disk brakes? Its gets a little scary going down hill with the standard brakes on a trike.
E-bikes are for many a good alternative to always using a car. The problem is the ready to go E-bikes costs a bit too much. For those who are relatively handy can do a conversion. That's the route I went and it cost me about $800 because I already had the battery charger with power supply. Expect to spend a grand. My e-bike has a range of 25 miles while traveling at over 25 MPH. For the past year I've put on about 5500 miles on my e-bike and an equal amount driving my car.
You know... if something goes wrong with a bomber you can just get in touch and they'll fix the broken parts. FREE. If it happens on your custom jobbie you have to go through all the hassle of RMA, etc, etc. Our local bomber dealer is offering a lifetime guarantee. PS: the suspension alone on the bomber (not the stock, the upgraded option) is worth half of that $2500.
In china an electric bike costs from $200, but not made from gold. In UK from perhaps 800$ +, but in UK limited to 15mph , above this the moter must cut out. So not that attractive, espcially once you consider riding the heavy thing home with a flat battery
Pricey! I have an ebike volt metro cost me £1049, I love it, I go everywhere, do miles upon miles, if I see someone on the greenway that looks a bit dodgy I just hit the throttle and im gone, its great for female cyclists too. You still get a work out, it doesnt do everything for you (PAS) fully recommend one if you can afford to shell out, they should be cheaper so everyone can afford one. I get a smug feeling when I leisurely saunter past traffic jams! I am also a real lycra cyclist ! !
Go to Europe and measure the average distance to the nearest grocery store, now go to U.S/Canada and do the same.. one is measured in meters, the other in km, this is why this trend will never be as big or popular in North America.
The flykly smart wheel is better. It's a $590 self-contained motorized wheel controlled with a smartphone that replaces the back wheel on a normal bike. It has a 20 mile range & only adds 10lbs to the bike.
no one is stopping you from buying an exercise bike, this bike was suggested to alleviate congested streets when getting you to a destination such as work or leisure you don't have to worry about arriving in sweat. stop making concern were there is none.
You can get as much exercise as you want on an ebike. They aren't motorcycles. Except on the expensive/illegal ones, the motors are relatively weak (less than 1 HP). You won't get far up a hill unless you are pedaling along with the motor. Their main benefit is to flatten out the hills a little, but you still feel it.
In cities like Portland where parking is a premium, bikes like that will be must useful. The only thing that concerns me if make sure the electronics don't get stolen.
Man I have seen so many of these ' I like the rear wheel drive the best , As the guy said in one of the comments ' you could buy a Honda motor cycle for less $ !! I agree 110% !! Granted I would like to have an E/Bike ' but not for that price ! Jimmie R
As a E-biker myself, the range they posted in this video is assuming the rider is going slow (10 mph or less) and doing a whole lot of peddling. At $3000 that is a lot to pay which is one reason E-bikes have not caught on to those who do not do their own conversion.
You'll get a perfect bike with good parts and for e-bikes a test-report for the DMV, a license-plate-holder. The conversions are all limited to pedal assisted without a report for FCC, DMV, .... and don't need a insurance. Sometimes you'll not allowed to use your own converted bike. The video should start with the 500$ pedal assisted (hevy, short range, but enough for the most) and may not go so deep into electric motorbikes (heavy motorcycle license).
I used to commute 22 miles one way (44 a day) via homemade ebike. Was using a car before that. I was NOT going to bike 44 miles a day over giant hills (with my legge alone).. Ebike made it fun and doable, keeeping my car in the driveway. Was saving over $100 in gas a month. Bike has paid for itself = not shit
***** I think that hill I could probably sprint up that one, gradually grinding to a halt. Or climb it in the first gear and be puffed at the top, although I'm quite a fast cyclist (though no lance armstrong). I think the hill is about a 1 in 3 so it's a tough climb for a casual cyclist. My Giant Yukon would do it in the 22/34. I saw some videos of someone crawling up in an 8" gear which would be good if the hill was a mile long! That was a cringeworthy stall and dismount though
WAJ Yep, no bias in THIS clip! LMAO! But there WAS possibly just a teeny weeny bit of reality in the cause of the fall (Goebbels, et al: "Every big lie must contain a smidgeon of truth.") She was given a bike with the saddle set so high it was virtually under her armpits and so could only reach the pedals by leaning the bike over - watch especially as she climbs on, nearly needed a step ladder! So, started off at the base of the hill, had no hope of building any momentum (even if she'd wanted to) and then...gravity predictably took over. The sham act is a pity since the ebike appeared to perform admirably, so didn't need the overtly poor attempt on the conventional bike. PS Have raced road bikes in my time but have no ebike experience so couldn't care either way really: to each their own. And if ebikes get people out in the open air who otherwise would be stuck non-mobilised in a car, that must be a good thing. But I WOULD appreciate the commuter types, apparently carrying their worldly belongings in an 80kg backpack, (legally) occupying the bus lane but plodding along at 10-15 km/h as the bus crawls its way in or out of the CBD - ALL getting ebikes if they MUST pedal to & from work. Can there be a minimum fitness level legislated in the same way that minimum driving skills are required for motor vehicles & bikes?! ;-)
Jordy Jay you see how her knees hyperextend? nobody rides a bike like that, it's bad for the knees and in her case it raised her center of gravity too high.
Look the thing is this everybody would love one of these E-Bikes but man the price is astronomical and yes they maybe the dogs jewels; Yes some are gonna buy but with those prices there get a M-Bike more comfortable,faster and some possibly same outlay maybe cheaper.
Yes. Imagine my delight when I found a small bike shop in Chicago (2015 June) anxious to liquidate his last $3,500 ebike. 37 miles on the odom. 2013 model. It was on C-list for 1,500 but I walked it out the door for 700 cash. I learned the small shops place a premium on space and keeping a bike around that was not selling costs him $$. Recently spent 1,200 on top-of-line replacement battery. Yikes. My next ebike will be converting my GIANT Talon. $600 for motorized rear wheel and 600 for battery. The kit includes all of the other components such as display, controller, etc.
What is this? a frag movie. But anyway, for people who live in the city. Look up Electric unicycle. or the Ninebot one e plus. 30-40 km range on flat surface. it does regenerating down hills. 22 kmh top speed. any surface, gravel, dirt, asphalt etc. any hill. its better than a elbike in most cases.
You took a non biker and gave her a biking segment...fail. A regular biker knows you get momentum for a hill and stand on pedals as you climb. I grew up at a bike shop. I would ride 40 miles a day to burn off my hyperness. I've demo'd 15 electric bikes in Vegas at Interbike. Only 3 impressed me. One was Pedego. They built a bike and added an electric assist motor. Other companies build a motorized bike that frankly, has enough power to offset it's clunky overall weight. Like riding a tandem with someone so you can drag a cinder block. Lose the cinder block, lose the second rider and it's a bike..what was the point? There are 3 types of electric bikes: 1) Throttle assist (on demand power) 2) Cadence assist (spin the pedal to fake it, adding minimal effort) 3) Torque (sensor matches the "oomph" factor you input) Companies will use more than one category but not always successfully. Twist throttle assist is not good unless it's thumb paddle throttle. WHY? A motorcycle has a twist grip, youre right hand is occupied as acceleration. When you have to stop quickly, you can't release the twist motion then grab the brake handle using the same hand. So an electric twist throttle bike would have to be "cross wired" to be safe. Cross wiring is putting back brake on left side (not the standard bike's right side). This will confuse a bicyclist. They will be biking (no assist) and pull the wrong brake and flip or jackknife. REMEMBER: An electric bike is STILL JUST A BIKE...keep it that way. I could go on but then you'd never attend my [fictitious] seminar for $19.99 or buy my [unwritten] BIG BAD BIKER's book. Redheads are hot: Amy Davidson and Karen Gillan!
Be that as it may, not everyone is prepared to become a garage e-bike builder like the guys on endless sphere. It involves working with lethal voltages and intricate know-how. Some of us would rather pay for a professionally-made product in the knowledge that it's under parts guarantee and looks pro-made. Some of your guys do make great looking bikes but it takes a high level of experience...
Might be getting a car in the next couple of weeks. A bit of estate money from my poor granny having passed recently. If not, I'll certainly be getting an e-motor and a new-ish bike. This is just entirely too good of an idea to pass up.
No one is saying it needs to put out anywhere near the energy being put in, because that energy would be wasted otherwise. Lets say you were going down hill you would not need to use the electric motor at all but the spinning of the wheel could feed energy back into the battery. The goal of a generator in this situation is not to 'put out the same amount of energy it takes in' its to take otherwise COMPLETELY wasted energy and make some use of it. Google "regenerative braking".
An electric bike is heavy, get a racing bike, it's light, it goes fast with small effort, hills are not so bad, you get more fit and it just looks so much better.
I understand the case for upgrading to disc brakes, but the rest has confused me why you are having so much trouble. The kits I sell are the ones with the motor in the hub of the rim. You just replace the original rim and connect a couple of wires to the motor, control box,throttle, and battery and you are off and running down the road. What kind of system did you get?
It's the law in the European Union, unfortunately. It can't be > 250W and still be a bicycle. Wonder how much can it be in the US? Plus, in the EU if can only be pedal-assist, and assistance limited to 25 kph I believe. Sucks, I know.
I paid $3,800 CASH for my slightly and gently used Honda Shadow Spirit 1100 (5,400 miles on the odometer). This MC will last me a lifetime if I choose to keep it. I would have an e-bike but ONLY after the early adopters have had their way...I would pay $300 to $500 for a VERY good used proven reliable e-bike with Li batteries, NO more. Otherwise...they may keep them.
We can rock 1000w and 25mph in california. But honestly Ive never been stopped on mine. Hardly been looked at. Build up a road bike and hang a pannier on the road side, no one will ever know your cheating.
In the US it is illegal to go over 20 mph. The federal regulations state that the max is 750 watts (1hp) and max speed is 20 mph. This just nerfs e-bikes.
What I don't get with electric bikes, motorbikes and cars is you have to recharge from a power supply, when you already got motion, take a small wind turbine get rid of the propellers add wheel spokes, electricity generated to the battery, no more need to charge battery from home power supply, travel distance unlimited.
No bicycle is worth these price tags. Most of the designs shown here will be easily achieved with a little tinkering in your garage with a standard bicycle costing $400-$600. a few lawnmower batteries and motors from an electric mower for around $600. That's $1200-1400 for NEW PARTS and accessories at the worst! No one has a corner on electrified bikes and only an idiot would shell out this kind of money for an e-bike...
Dont be sorry, but you're completely missing what he's saying. Perpetual motion means it's an action that could continue forever, in this case a bike moving, without any energy being put in or lost. That guy is not saying that is what would happen at all. What he is proposing is attaching a generator to a wheel or maybe even the pedal so the motion of wheel moving would HELP charge the battery, not that it would make it go forever or completely replace energy lost and keep the battery charged.
Yeah, stay away from the Faraday Porter. It costs $3500 and has a 250W motor and a 195 Wh battery. Better is the Juiced Riders OKD U500 which costs $3200 and has a 500W motor and a whopping 1056 Wh battery, which will get you a realistic range of 50 miles against hills and headwinds without pedaling and will go even farther if you ease up on the throttle and put some muscle into it.
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I converted my old mountain bike to a 800W 36v Ebike for around $400. I got the rear wheel ebike kit for $200 and the battary for $200. I installed it all by myself. I saved around $1500.
+webmovieinfo Did you use a pre-made conversion kit or did you DIY it?
+Jonathan Nellis I bought the kit from eBay and installed it on my bike and I got the battery from a local eBike store
From 17 teen till about 40 years I could go all day.Now when I'm more than 70 I need that e-bike.
yes !!!!
I recently rode an e-trike, the HP Velo Scorpion... Holy crap, I've never wanted a bike so much in my life. I recently broke my femur and have been struggling to get exercise while it heals. Granted I didn't feel like I was doing much work, but it was a pure joy to ride.
Hi there bicycle riders, I own an electric bike since three years and I simply enjoy all my traveling miles. It allows you to rest when you get exhausted and you can enjoy the scenery much more and stay longer outdoors. I recommend electric bikes to everyone that can afford it.
"Add-e" is the best electronic unit to add to a bike out of what I have seen thus far in converting a mechanical bike to an electrical bike. It is light weight (
I ride an electric bike because it's FASTER. If you know basic bike maintenance skills, you can make an ebike for around $800 with lithium ion batteries. Buy a rear wheel hub motor, 1hp (750w) is the sweet spot, bolt it on and attach the battery and controller. I use an ebike to commute about 160km (100 miles) per week.
Cool thing is you can switch it off and ride it like a normal bike...... a normal $3500 bike that weighs 39 lbs.
You can build your own for a LOT cheaper lol
I love the brushless hub motors. Forget the chain drive Stealth.
Don't know it till you've tried it . I beat roadies on my commuter and I weight train everyday but damn these things are fun whether for convenience or just bombing around .
Tell me about it. It's like a new age moped. Dirt bike too if you have fat knobby tires👌👍
- Popcycle - I’ve loved my E-go from Amazon ($1100) for 8 yrs.🥰
$3,500.....hilarious.....I can build one for about $600...and TONS of them are $1,200........LOVE the idea but at that price you wont be selling many bikes...
yea you can convert older bikes to e-bikes, they are kits online.
Not worth going cheap imo ,In my area they would sell at that price no problem , the cheap 1k to $1500 one's ive seen are like a kmart bikes, (poorly built junk)... Specialized turbo Levo is 6 to 10k ... I built a 1000 watt bike , cost 650 just for the 12 AH lithium-ion battery, just sayin , you get what you pay for .... ( tried a led acid battery and it was a joke )
Mike Dempsey 1200 buys you a peice of junk, a good ebike costs $2300 atleast
You never see this bike on the shelf forever.
e-glidebike.com/ I have one of SS models over 2000 miles, it's been awesome
Good review ! I hope more folks get one of bikes
i tried a power assisted electra, even though im purist this would cut down my fatigue on a commute and also improve my take off
I have two e-bikes and love them, I get around Berlin without having a hassle of traffic or parking. It's fun and that's priceless. Can't put money on a smile! For all you opened minded and future thinking people, give it a try and then build your opinion.
Fascinating, seven years on now and nearly every bike reviewed is no longer available.
These seem only good for old people. If you're young you'd be amazed how far you can go on a bike.
Several years ago me and my mate attempted to ride regular bikes from his house in one town to another town 26km away (16 miles). He rode his super heavy steel frame BMX with no brakes and I rode my kinda heavy mountain bike with 27 gears. We just wore regular cloths and I took a 2.25L Coke in my backpack.
There was 2 big hills on the trip. The kind with really long low gradients which I hated, I wish they'd just have a super steep gradient and get it over with quickly. Up hill having all those gears didn't seem to give me much of an advantage over his BMX with 1 gear but on the flat I was just blazing away, I'd have to stop wait, have time to take my bag off, have a few drinks, then he'd finally catch up. That BMX is just no contender for my 27th gear.
The trip was supposed to take all day if we made it at all but we got there rather quickly and ended up running out of stuff to do at the destination. We did all their bike trails, I think we must have gone down every street, went up and down the beach. The journey there was supposed to be the main thing that day but was actually really short. I think we must have clocked 50km (31 miles) by the end of the day from riding around the town.
Maybe we need a more challenging trip?
KiwiPowerNZ
WE ALL HAVE THOSE STORIES... I walked 72 miles in two days straight from London north towards Scotland, straight up the M1, with a backpack!, until a cop stopped me and told me walking along the M1 was illegal, so I took the train the rest of the way to Edinburgh. I have lots of stories like that... YOUTH!! Nonetheless, having an electric motor on a bike can be scaled up CHEAPLY to a very nice trail bike, and although you can still argue about the manual models, kids are going nut for them!
+KiwiPowerNZ thats not impressive lol
I suppose everyone has their motives for riding: Commute from point A to point B, physical conditioning, competitive racing, etc. This is nice addition to the bicycling world. I would love to see more people in my area (Los Angeles) get out of their car and on a bike. Less traffic, less pollution, less money needed for bigger and better road projects, less noise, better fitness, and most importantly, MORE ACCEPTANCE!
The problem with a lot of these electric bike conversions is that for those who cycle for fitness, yet might need a little extra boost in going up the hills; the electric conversions are way too big, bulky, and ADD a lot of unwanted additional weight to the bike, meaning making regular pedaling a little harder than before they had the e-conversion kit placed on their bikes. The goal for these innovators should be; compact and lightweight. (such as the Add-e unit)
Specialized has a super light weight electric that you can't even tell has a battery
I did that and the savings weren't massive. I had to buy a two pannier racks (first broke) pannier bag, battery, hydr brakes as my old ones weren't up the task, new shifters because I had to drop the cassette and get a freewheel, new cables...
Then there's the fact I had to keep making trips to the local shop because problems kept arising during building. Had to search for a day to find a very VERY specific-sized shim as my freewheel caught on the motor, jamming the chain.
The list goes on.
I've been using an electric bike in place of car for years now. I live in gilbert, AZ so it is flat here. They are genuinely awesome transportation.
for 10-14k I'd rather buy a R6 or R1 which will do 180mph!
those bikes should not be more then 1k at max!
The genius is strong in this one.
absolutely right! i have e bike which one cost to me $240 (36v brush-less motor) + lion battery pack (36v 12ah) for $150 + couple buck for wiring. so, $400 plus your old bike. there pure jerk business to sell them more then $600 thinking they are brand new and factory made, because factory selling them for $100 to dealers!
With 10-14 k you can also get a street fighter like a fz09 which is a torque monster and very comfortable for commuting. And if you are an eco friendly kinda guy you can buy an electric motorcycle for that sum of money.
antanassk laimarep its like..I must conside carbon profiter while selling bikes..Thats the point.Too expensive for common people..Whats more for poor Asians like us..
I plan on building up an ebike to supplement my car. I am excited to get it set up and take over short hops on it, but nothing beats cruising down the highway with the windows down and the radio cranked up.
For people saying they'd rather buy a car... Would a 3000-4000 come with an engine? I mean you could get a car and it might even run, but for how long? You'll spend a fortune getting it street legal. Then you have to register it, which means a week at the DMV. Then the insurance, and finally, you have to put gas in the thing. A car costs around 9000 per year. Personally, I'd rather have the E bike. For cyclists saying, it's lazy. I have three words... 20 mile commute. Not everyone sees a bike as a gym on wheels. For me a bike is practical transportation, which it was always meant to be. It's the clowns dressed in lycra on a carbon fiber road bike that I can't stand. A good bike has a rack, fenders and a decent chain guard. *I* don't need an E bike because there aren't many hills where I live. I wouldn't attempt to ride a regular bike in San Francisco.
you are not very nice with the clown statement
Shuai Robert True that wasn't nice. But imo, "racers ruin the breed". You are not competing in the Tour de France, put on some jeans and a t-shirt.
You have to admit it's sad that a $3500 e-bike only goes 20 mph when I average 22-24 mph under my own power on a normal road bike.
MelkorHimself Good for you but I'd have to be pretty desperate to get somewhere fast to ride a road bike. Personal preference. Give me a Gazelle Toer Populair any day. That's an oma/opafeits, the quintessential Dutch bike. Also, *you* may be able to average 22-24 mph on your own, but that wouldn't really help, say my father who will be 54 this week and has COPD. The point of an electric bike, and I'm going by the Netherlands here, is to get where you're going, in a suit and tie or whatever you wear, and not look like you just ran a marathon and be drenched in sweat when you get there.
MelkorHimself Well that is due to the law not the bike, the bikes can go much faster but if you want to remain legal you stick within the law, EU bikes are worse.
Thanks for the head-ache with that drum and bass noise
I bought a 'wayscral' e-bike in 2014, for 389 €, cheapest on the market & it goes 40 km on 1 charge, 3 assistence levels, 15, 20, and 25 km an hour. It's made in France. It was a first try for an e-bike and it still keeps running :) why spend 3500 if you can get 1 for 389?
I've seen some NICE E bikes for $3500! Wow! Beautiful bikes! No, it's not the cheapest, i understand. But the workmanship, the quality of the parts, and the "fun factor" of the pricier bikes, would make it worth it.
And some people have / make serious money to afford it. Not me, but if i did have that kind of money....
I live in Japan and we've had this for more than a decade.
Local made is always the best. I have a Busettii made in Florida with it's battery made in Michigan. Very powerful and great 40 mile range.
E-bikes seem like fun! Would love to see how the tech has improved since this was posted.
That looks awesome! Now if the price could come down to $500-$700 that be more ideal for many people.
I'm seriously considering an e-bike after watching this video. Thanks!
I like the ones with the range extending petrol engine and disc brakes. Hayabusa I think they're called.
E-bike are ubiquitous in Switzerland. There are a lot of manufacturers. Note: Thömus Stromer, Flyer, Grace and many more.
i used to ride a MTB, replaced it with a E-bike, won't go back lol. There is a fair bit of misconception that alot of people think E-bikes are for lazy people. alot of the e-bikes (BH, Gepida) require you to pedal for the motor to assist you. if you want a bit of a exercise or workout just pedal harder or you can take it easy and just cruise. there has been times that i've come home sweaty.
sure for the price i paid for mine i can get a cheap scooter (which i don't even want), Scooter requires rego, petrol, more expensive servicing and your not allowed to ride in the bicycle lane.
Anyone trashing ebikes has never owned one. I have one and I tear up Philly with it. It is by far the fastest, cheapest way to get around a city. I feel bad for other couriers :( but sometimes i offer a boost going west from 33rd to 39 :D
Honda motorbike 120 cc in Thailand cost about 1200$ new. Ebike for 2000$ ?? Is it made of pure gold?
+Dino “MaiaBrainwave” Sabanovic
The bike shops inflate the price for insurance basically. You pay for the bike and they will support it until its completely unusable. Which involves servicing the motor, battery and troubleshooting issues that an end user will unlikely be able to solve themselves. You can build an ebike for $600 using a kit called the hilltopper which easily competes with $2000 ebikes because its basically a wheel that plugs into a battery.
+Jacob Chapman
No they don't, that comes on top of the 2K
+Dino “MaiaBrainwave” Sabanovic
bicycles don't attract fines like motorbikes do
jcvjcvjcvjcv you miss interpreted me. I didn't say they would do it for free( the battery they usually do)
Especially the battery they don't replace for free...
Consider the legality of using e-bikes on bike paths in your area. The trail I use to commute to work does not allow any motorized traffic, which includes e-bikes (electric wheelchairs are the one and only exception). One benefit of commuting by bike is exercise. E-bikes reduce that benefit, and put out more pollution and waste thanks to the battery. I buy a week's worth of groceries, load it onto my bike trailer, and haul it 10 miles home, without any electric assist. Was it difficult at first? Heck yeah. After months of training on-road and at the gym? Not so much. I rock an old mountain bike with a 22/32/42 crankset with a custom built 7-speed cassette (14-32). Plug in some fast paced music and spin up those hills. It has helped me improve my physical conditioning, to become a stronger cyclist.
I bet you aren't 87 like I am and don't live in the mountains. I have a mid drive E-bike as my only transportation. I ride up hills that other people push their bikes up. I have a choice of riding it as a regular bike, power assist or power only and can choose how much effort I want to expend to keep in shape.
I built E-bikes from individual components and Kits for twenty years. I paid $3000 for my bike. If I had bought the components and built it it would have cost $4000. If I include the value of my time, it would have cost $5000 or more.
It's only meant for situation like climbing a hill or bridge or something to give you the enough boost I don't see any harm in that as long as you can switch back to the "normal bike" mode whenever it's possible ! my only complain is it's so expensive for a bike.
One thing's for sure, if these e-bikes cost as much as motorcycles there is no way they are the future mode of transportation. Clearly meant for the elite classes of society
Death by Dudezki www.google.com/search?q=electric+bicycle&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#tbm=shop&q=electric%20bicycle&tbs=vw%3Al%2Ccat%3A1026%2Cpdtr0%3A878471|878472%2Cprice%3A1%2Cppr_min%3A%2Cppr_max%3A800&spd=4083083511801562829 check that link, those are much more affrodable. I think those prices are bullshit too.
Death by Dudezki
Got one, love it! A low end model, it cost $650. Try Watseka or Currie Tech on Amazon. I chose Watseka XP Cargo. Best wishes, cb
morning morality You oviously havent heard of henry ford, (considering your not american) I suggest you look up his bio.
+Death by Dudezki
you can always buy the eletcric bike conversion kit... a lot cheaper...of course, you need to install it yourself
morning morality I think flat screen HD TVs are a better analogy lol.
As I am now setting up my trike with a electrical assist as where I live in Red Bluff where you are either going up a hill or going down a hill. The nightmare begins I need to custom rig the wiring with little or no help from where I bought it from. What I would like to see in a trike is a custom setup for electrical assist, front and rear disk brakes and lights. Now you have something for people who can’t ride a regular bicycle and need a workhorse to do day to day needs. Why disk brakes? Its gets a little scary going down hill with the standard brakes on a trike.
Pretty cool stuff! On a normal bike, however, you need to STAND UP to pedal up a very steep hill!
Best way 2 get around busy traffic.🆓
E-bikes are for many a good alternative to always using a car. The problem is the ready to go E-bikes costs a bit too much. For those who are relatively handy can do a conversion. That's the route I went and it cost me about $800 because I already had the battery charger with power supply. Expect to spend a grand. My e-bike has a range of 25 miles while traveling at over 25 MPH. For the past year I've put on about 5500 miles on my e-bike and an equal amount driving my car.
You know... if something goes wrong with a bomber you can just get in touch and they'll fix the broken parts. FREE. If it happens on your custom jobbie you have to go through all the hassle of RMA, etc, etc. Our local bomber dealer is offering a lifetime guarantee.
PS: the suspension alone on the bomber (not the stock, the upgraded option) is worth half of that $2500.
4:53 The producer told her to fall & make it like real.... otherwise not a single penny
In china an electric bike costs from $200, but not made from gold. In UK from perhaps 800$ +, but in UK limited to 15mph , above this the moter must cut out. So not that attractive, espcially once you consider riding the heavy thing home with a flat battery
Pricey! I have an ebike volt metro cost me £1049, I love it, I go everywhere, do miles upon miles, if I see someone on the greenway that looks a bit dodgy I just hit the throttle and im gone, its great for female cyclists too. You still get a work out, it doesnt do everything for you (PAS) fully recommend one if you can afford to shell out, they should be cheaper so everyone can afford one. I get a smug feeling when I leisurely saunter past traffic jams! I am also a real lycra cyclist ! !
Go to Europe and measure the average distance to the nearest grocery store, now go to U.S/Canada and do the same.. one is measured in meters, the other in km, this is why this trend will never be as big or popular in North America.
***** en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilometre
+zdrux try 10`s of km in America...
What about when you stop in the middle of a hill climb? Will you be able to start again?
+G.I. José no it's over u stay there for ever
+G.I. José Some bikes have a start assist button or similar to help you get started in a hill or similar.
The flykly smart wheel is better. It's a $590 self-contained motorized wheel controlled with a smartphone that replaces the back wheel on a normal bike. It has a 20 mile range & only adds 10lbs to the bike.
There goes the idea of riding a bicycle for "exercise" What's next, power assist slippers to assist you to the mailbox?
no one is stopping you from buying an exercise bike, this bike was suggested to alleviate congested streets when getting you to a destination such as work or leisure you don't have to worry about arriving in sweat. stop making concern were there is none.
You can get as much exercise as you want on an ebike. They aren't motorcycles. Except on the expensive/illegal ones, the motors are relatively weak (less than 1 HP). You won't get far up a hill unless you are pedaling along with the motor. Their main benefit is to flatten out the hills a little, but you still feel it.
I want to ride an e-bike with power assisted slippers. That be cool...
In cities like Portland where parking is a premium, bikes like that will be must useful. The only thing that concerns me if make sure the electronics don't get stolen.
This looks fun! Time to start saving up my money!
Man I have seen so many of these ' I like the rear wheel drive the best , As the guy said in one of the comments ' you could buy a Honda motor cycle for less $ !! I agree 110% !! Granted I would like to have an E/Bike ' but not for that price ! Jimmie R
Should have included Stromer in your review. They are the best.
FYI: "THAT GIRL" was played by Marlo Thomas and not Mary Tyler Moore... "MARY TYLER MOORE" was play by Mary Tyler Moore.
What is the name of the song at 2.03? In before Darude-Sandstorm.
As a E-biker myself, the range they posted in this video is assuming the rider is going slow (10 mph or less) and doing a whole lot of peddling. At $3000 that is a lot to pay which is one reason E-bikes have not caught on to those who do not do their own conversion.
You'll get a perfect bike with good parts and for e-bikes a test-report for the DMV, a license-plate-holder. The conversions are all limited to pedal assisted without a report for FCC, DMV, .... and don't need a insurance.
Sometimes you'll not allowed to use your own converted bike.
The video should start with the 500$ pedal assisted (hevy, short range, but enough for the most) and may not go so deep into electric motorbikes (heavy motorcycle license).
I used to commute 22 miles one way (44 a day) via homemade ebike. Was using a car before that. I was NOT going to bike 44 miles a day over giant hills (with my legge alone).. Ebike made it fun and doable, keeeping my car in the driveway. Was saving over $100 in gas a month. Bike has paid for itself = not shit
How bullshit was her sensationalist attempt to get up the hill on the regular bike..
***** I think that hill I could probably sprint up that one, gradually grinding to a halt. Or climb it in the first gear and be puffed at the top, although I'm quite a fast cyclist (though no lance armstrong). I think the hill is about a 1 in 3 so it's a tough climb for a casual cyclist.
My Giant Yukon would do it in the 22/34. I saw some videos of someone crawling up in an 8" gear which would be good if the hill was a mile long!
That was a cringeworthy stall and dismount though
then all of a sudden she knows how to stop the electric bike without falling over...
WAJ Yep, no bias in THIS clip! LMAO! But there WAS possibly just a teeny weeny bit of reality in the cause of the fall (Goebbels, et al: "Every big lie must contain a smidgeon of truth.") She was given a bike with the saddle set so high it was virtually under her armpits and so could only reach the pedals by leaning the bike over - watch especially as she climbs on, nearly needed a step ladder! So, started off at the base of the hill, had no hope of building any momentum (even if she'd wanted to) and then...gravity predictably took over. The sham act is a pity since the ebike appeared to perform admirably, so didn't need the overtly poor attempt on the conventional bike. PS Have raced road bikes in my time but have no ebike experience so couldn't care either way really: to each their own. And if ebikes get people out in the open air who otherwise would be stuck non-mobilised in a car, that must be a good thing. But I WOULD appreciate the commuter types, apparently carrying their worldly belongings in an 80kg backpack, (legally) occupying the bus lane but plodding along at 10-15 km/h as the bus crawls its way in or out of the CBD - ALL getting ebikes if they MUST pedal to & from work. Can there be a minimum fitness level legislated in the same way that minimum driving skills are required for motor vehicles & bikes?! ;-)
Whoever put her seat up so high set her up to fail. Ouch.
Jordy Jay you see how her knees hyperextend? nobody rides a bike like that, it's bad for the knees and in her case it raised her center of gravity too high.
Look the thing is this everybody would love one of these E-Bikes but man the price is astronomical and yes they maybe the dogs jewels; Yes some are gonna buy but with those prices there get a M-Bike more comfortable,faster and some possibly same outlay maybe cheaper.
Yes. Imagine my delight when I found a small bike shop in Chicago (2015 June) anxious to liquidate his last $3,500 ebike. 37 miles on the odom. 2013 model. It was on C-list for 1,500 but I walked it out the door for 700 cash. I learned the small shops place a premium on space and keeping a bike around that was not selling costs him $$. Recently spent 1,200 on top-of-line replacement battery. Yikes. My next ebike will be converting my GIANT Talon. $600 for motorized rear wheel and 600 for battery. The kit includes all of the other components such as display, controller, etc.
What is this? a frag movie. But anyway, for people who live in the city. Look up Electric unicycle. or the Ninebot one e plus. 30-40 km range on flat surface. it does regenerating down hills. 22 kmh top speed. any surface, gravel, dirt, asphalt etc. any hill. its better than a elbike in most cases.
thanks for a good video!
I got my e-bike for $350 at Sam's Club, and it's been very reliable and easy to maintain. Look up eZip Trailz.
You took a non biker and gave her a biking segment...fail.
A regular biker knows you get momentum for a hill and stand on pedals as you climb.
I grew up at a bike shop. I would ride 40 miles a day to burn off my hyperness.
I've demo'd 15 electric bikes in Vegas at Interbike.
Only 3 impressed me. One was Pedego.
They built a bike and added an electric assist motor.
Other companies build a motorized bike that frankly, has enough power to offset it's clunky overall weight. Like riding a tandem with someone so you can drag a cinder block. Lose the cinder block, lose the second rider and it's a bike..what was the point?
There are 3 types of electric bikes:
1) Throttle assist (on demand power)
2) Cadence assist (spin the pedal to fake it, adding minimal effort)
3) Torque (sensor matches the "oomph" factor you input)
Companies will use more than one category but not always successfully.
Twist throttle assist is not good unless it's thumb paddle throttle. WHY?
A motorcycle has a twist grip, youre right hand is occupied as acceleration.
When you have to stop quickly, you can't release the twist motion then grab the brake handle using the same hand.
So an electric twist throttle bike would have to be "cross wired" to be safe.
Cross wiring is putting back brake on left side (not the standard bike's right side).
This will confuse a bicyclist. They will be biking (no assist) and pull the wrong brake and flip or jackknife.
REMEMBER: An electric bike is STILL JUST A BIKE...keep it that way.
I could go on but then you'd never attend my [fictitious] seminar for $19.99 or buy my [unwritten] BIG BAD BIKER's book.
Redheads are hot: Amy Davidson and Karen Gillan!
Be that as it may, not everyone is prepared to become a garage e-bike builder like the guys on endless sphere. It involves working with lethal voltages and intricate know-how. Some of us would rather pay for a professionally-made product in the knowledge that it's under parts guarantee and looks pro-made. Some of your guys do make great looking bikes but it takes a high level of experience...
nice work
Where I live I'm happy with my roadbike but if I lived someplace really hilly like SF I would probably be interested in getting an ebike.
Might be getting a car in the next couple of weeks. A bit of estate money from my poor granny having passed recently. If not, I'll certainly be getting an e-motor and a new-ish bike. This is just entirely too good of an idea to pass up.
never forget about the Greyp G12s made by Rimac Automobili
No one is saying it needs to put out anywhere near the energy being put in, because that energy would be wasted otherwise. Lets say you were going down hill you would not need to use the electric motor at all but the spinning of the wheel could feed energy back into the battery. The goal of a generator in this situation is not to 'put out the same amount of energy it takes in' its to take otherwise COMPLETELY wasted energy and make some use of it. Google "regenerative braking".
Do you need lights,turn signals and registration to operate this on the road?
An electric bike is heavy, get a racing bike, it's light, it goes fast with small effort, hills are not so bad, you get more fit and it just looks so much better.
Okay, Mary Tyler Moore is not that girl. That Girl was Marlo Thomas.
I understand the case for upgrading to disc brakes, but the rest has confused me why you are having so much trouble. The kits I sell are the ones with the motor in the hub of the rim. You just replace the original rim and connect a couple of wires to the motor, control box,throttle, and battery and you are off and running down the road. What kind of system did you get?
Do Not buy a bike with only 250 watts. Rip off!!!
It's the law in the European Union, unfortunately. It can't be > 250W and still be a bicycle. Wonder how much can it be in the US? Plus, in the EU if can only be pedal-assist, and assistance limited to 25 kph I believe. Sucks, I know.
agree ,,, 250w is weak , even geared
***** the one i rode seemed to be, but maybe the battery was low?
I Quebec Canada, you can have 500w maximum, pedal assist or not. As you wish.
I paid $3,800 CASH for my slightly and gently used Honda Shadow Spirit 1100 (5,400 miles on the odometer). This MC will last me a lifetime if I choose to keep it. I would have an e-bike but ONLY after the early adopters have had their way...I would pay $300 to $500 for a VERY good used proven reliable e-bike with Li batteries, NO more. Otherwise...they may keep them.
Because e-bikes are popular nowadays, bicycle manufacturers must produce even a Freestyle BMX e-bike!!!
it only available outside u.s., unless its unaffordable version.
We can rock 1000w and 25mph in california. But honestly Ive never been stopped on mine. Hardly been looked at. Build up a road bike and hang a pannier on the road side, no one will ever know your cheating.
I like this!
I usually hate journalists. This chick is real. Dig it.
1:21 Makes me sure that I do not want to get an ebike.
I wanted one until they said it was a "hot new trend" with "health benefits"
4:53 extremely co-ordinated lol
Now that Sondors ebikes has hit the market and sold ten thousand ebikes at a lower price I think we'll be seeing more affordable bikes in the future.
maybe the parts are of better quality or they have longer warranties?
I stick to my regular bike...
I came here after the launched a brand new electric bike from brompton
In the US it is illegal to go over 20 mph. The federal regulations state that the max is 750 watts (1hp) and max speed is 20 mph. This just nerfs e-bikes.
I want one that you don't need to pedal at all. One that goes like 30 mph. That would be pretty alright.
Let's ENJOY as much as possible to increase an clean air and decrease an energy consumption.
why do you have to charge it? why not use kinetic energy to charge it while peddling ?
e-bike eletric bike but good idea
Won't work ! Going down hill would charge the battery though.
***** dick
***** 8--D (-)
i'm from Belgium and bike thiefs is a real common profession here, and with e-bike it just gives them a raise :-)
What I don't get with electric bikes, motorbikes and cars is you have to recharge from a power supply, when you already got motion, take a small wind turbine get rid of the propellers add wheel spokes, electricity generated to the battery, no more need to charge battery from home power supply, travel distance unlimited.
She crashed the regular bike just before that prius. The electric bike stopped at 2 parking spaces after that. So much for "owning that Hill".
E-bikes are VERY popular in Asia.
No bicycle is worth these price tags. Most of the designs shown here will be easily achieved with a little tinkering in your garage with a standard bicycle costing $400-$600. a few lawnmower batteries and motors from an electric mower for around $600. That's $1200-1400 for NEW PARTS and accessories at the worst! No one has a corner on electrified bikes and only an idiot would shell out this kind of money for an e-bike...
True I rode up a few hills in my city
Not SF
And I was fine
Dont be sorry, but you're completely missing what he's saying.
Perpetual motion means it's an action that could continue forever, in this case a bike moving, without any energy being put in or lost. That guy is not saying that is what would happen at all.
What he is proposing is attaching a generator to a wheel or maybe even the pedal so the motion of wheel moving would HELP charge the battery, not that it would make it go forever or completely replace energy lost and keep the battery charged.
Yeah, stay away from the Faraday Porter. It costs $3500 and has a 250W motor and a 195 Wh battery. Better is the Juiced Riders OKD U500 which costs $3200 and has a 500W motor and a whopping 1056 Wh battery, which will get you a realistic range of 50 miles against hills and headwinds without pedaling and will go even farther if you ease up on the throttle and put some muscle into it.
honestly, the stealth bomber thing, you might as well just buy a dirt bike.
wait, what?!!!! omg the friggin price, wtf?!!!!