Awful Archaeology Ep. 2: The Orontius Finaeus Map
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ธ.ค. 2021
- In this episode of Awful Archaeology I discuss the Orontius Finaeus Map. Created in the early 1500s, this map outlines much of the known world and covers the planet from pole to pole. However the south pole has been the subject of debate since the maps rediscovery by Charles Hapgood. According to conspiracy theorists the map shows the the outline of an ice free Antarctica. In their eyes, this proves that Antarctica had been known about and mapped for far longer than we have been told as well as debunking anthropogenic climate change. I hope you enjoy my breaking down of this awful conspiracy and those who perpetuate it. Does anyone actually read video descriptions? Follow the insta @Miniminuteman
Honestly, this map would be great for a D&D game, or a fantasy novel.
Yes
taking this idea is thats cool
That is pretty true. I can't even recognize our continents on this map, so it would work...plus Warhammer fantasy is literally set on a slightly different Earth map, so it would surely work.
I was thinking of running an TTRPG crossing of the northwest passage and I am absolutely going to be using an old map now! I was wondering how to prevent my players from cheating and this is perfect
I was thinking the same thing, but with Miniminuteman’s map made at 10 years old 😂
With how good humanity is at naming things "Bone Desert" "Wet Ocean" and "Foot" aren't really that far off
And woah the grave creek stone is near and dear to my heart! Nice!!
Like Gobi Desert and Sahara Desert, which both mean “desert”, or all the rivers in the UK named Avon (which means “river”).
@@HushSkunk or Torpenhow Hill, which means "Hillhillhill Hill."
i live next to a river named Big River. maps use it's spanish name Rio Grande
Also in the UK Manchester, which originated from Mamucium or Tit City. The old Brittonic word mamm which meant breast, was used to to describe a breast like hill or possibly from a local river or river god Mamma. Latinize the locals name for the place and add on the 'city of' suffix and we're left with Tit City.
“And just like that, I’ve alienated all three of my French viewers.” 😂
“‘How did they manage to mess up where Zanzibar is?’ Because the person who made it was French.” 🤣
And both chicks...
@@BadgerMonkey? No?
@@BadgerMonkey what does him insulting french people have anything to do with women?😭
@@JubioHDX tbf: even the french men are women, and women cant read maps....
Anyway, more importantly: I am Groot.
He said this right after an attempt at a pickup line joke, if that helps
Literally, the second I saw the map, I thought “Oh, it’s Australia, but the map maker wasn’t terribly accurate.”
even very helpfully labelled as such xD
@@HoppouChanyeah, they called it Terra Australis where the name Australia comes from and conspiracy theorists went "🙈🙉 lalala it's Antarctica "
@@CrisSeleneto be fair, Terra Australis is just Latin for "southern land", which Antarctica... definitely is. they just picked the wrong continent to associate it with lol.
Also I find the fact that it's Australia equally interesting because the first documented European sighting of Australia didn't happen until 1606, which means that Orontius Finaeus technically mapped something that other Europeans wouldn't even know about for another 70 years. but nope it just has to be a conspiracy theory about climate change
@@joshc5613 In the 1810s, the argument was put forth that there was no continent to be found further south than what was then named "New Holland", and that it should be renamed Australia. This proposal was adopted in 1824. Not long before the actual Terra Australis (Antarctica) was discovered to exist after all.
@@joshc5613 I'm thinking the Portuguese may have seen or heard a description from some people in Timor or Java.
I love how these conspiracy theories constantly shift between "People in ye olden days were stupid and could never do such a thing" to "People in ye olden days were super smart and their records are more accurate than modern scientific literature"
They should call themselves Republicans.
Whatever supports whatever they want to believe in that second.
To be fair, most of them only say they were super smart if they were European. If they were from just about any non-European nation, they were primitives and helped by aliens. These conspiracists tend to be very Eurocentric in their ideologies. Well, the people who put forward these conspiracies. Your run of the mill conspiracy person really has no idea that their favorite conspiracists are like that, usually.
People in ancient times were super geniuses in some areas and complete dunderheads in others, coincidentally always fitting whatever narrative someone is trying to push. /s
The trick is if they are the same race (in their own minds) as the people they are talking about.
I love how these pseudo-archeologists call something from the 1500s "ancient".
For young Earth creationists it is, because they have no observational skills.
It's like calling a floppy disc ancient
This is far from the worst thing I've heard from pseudo-archeologists. It's dumb, but it's only the tip of the stupid iceberg.
@@stardragon7893 Oh I'm well aware of that. All too well.
It has "africa never invented the wheel" energy, for sure
An important factor to remember when explaining this map is the historical "terra australis theory". This was the idea that the planet's land mass ought to be balanced between north and south, so the continents in the northern hemisphere (mainly the enormous landmass of Eurasia) just be balanced out by a huge southern continent. They saw there was land south of Indonesia and south of Argentina, so they assumed they were the edges of the southern continent. This continent was called 'Terra Australis', and Australia kept the name.
Yep, when Europeans found what's now Australia, that was when the "balance of landmass" theory had fallen out of favor because they'd simply found too much ocean to the south. There wasn't enough room left unexplored for any new land to be found that would "balance out" Eurasia. In the early 1800s, British colonists in what was then "New Holland" decided it was the closest we were ever going to find to "Terra Australis" and renamed it Australia. Ironically, this was just a few years before Antarctica was discovered.
As a French I am so pretentious that I am always proud to see anyone use our national clichés and silly accent.
I looked trough comments just for this three words in the beginning
😂😂😂
@@uliyanagolub2645 by law, no French person can start a comment thread without those 3 words first.
debunking historical misconceptiopns while educating, not trusting the US gov. and insulting the French, i like this guy
I truly am a jack of all trades!
@Aditya Chavarkar well you could apply that for any long running joke about a country, italy and britland come to mind. Also those countries have been historical dickheads, some still are. France still holds the banking of a fuck ton of African nations that they refuse to let go. Also like another form of criticism.But mostly its just a long running joke, many exist, this just one of them.
@@playimages5705 "Also those countries have been historical dickheads" That's pretty rich coming from Americans
@Aditya Chavarkar
It probably has to do with war propaganda and good ol' xenophobia.
Notice how those jokes only exist in nations that had martial relations to france? It is also quite easy to dunk on the folks that eat the funny food, like frogs and snails.
In the USA I'd guess, that it has something to with their shared (modern) origins and diverging paths.
@@Drek492 Pretty rich talking about thousands of years of warfare and genocide compared to a 244 year history. Yeah your pretty special ain’t ye. Study some history. Just because you are a communist who hates everything doesn’t mean you have to be stupid.
As someone who's job it is to create maps in modern software, people who bring up these old maps of proof of anything beyond "we were still filling in the Earth and this was the best guess by this person" physically pains me.
I have read things like your statement many times. Yet for some reason nobody ever tries to explain beyond "if you believe this you are an idiot". Even in this video, he says the map is shifted, turned and wrong size. Yeah, that's what can happen when you build a world map out of maps of continents you have at your disposal. Or more likely maps of parts of a continent.
On youtube I debated someone claiming to be an expert and he started using profanities and insulting me when I said that the Roman Dodecahedron served as a tool for knitting gloves (the knitting community uses 3D printed models of it as it is really a great tool for this very purpose and it was found only in regions where gloves would be needed, in the coldest parts of the Empire), but the archeologists don't recognise this theory, they say it is a coin sorter, a candle holder or a measuring device. From that I understood that "experts" treat their opinions like religious beliefs.
I still remember the time I got insulted by people claiming to be experts online for saying that neanderthals and modern people interbred, that those tiny people from Flores were not just a family of modern humans suffering from dwarfism and most recently on reddit for saying that farmers do work the soil and plant the crops according to weather patterns based on observation of plant and animal activity in nature, not by a calendar based on movements of celestial objects so they didn't need a sophisticated astronomical calendar and a megalithic observatory, so buildings like Stonehenge were not build for the needs of farmers.
Maybe try to understand why people believe some theory and not just think "I'm the only one smart, if you don't share my beliefs, you must be stupid". Then and only then try to debunk it.
@@petrmaly9087 the difference here is that you were giving a valid theory for the dodecahedron and the person insulting you probably didn't want to think they *didn't* know something, but when it comes to people using old maps as evidence every single point against the map, and their theories, can be summer up as "they were not accurate especially compared to maps made using modern techniques and technology" and "a lot of stuff was assumed to be there without ever being seen". If all the evidence you have for major claims is a map that has no way of being as accurate as it would need to be to be used as evidence, you have issues. Your dodecahedron debate had plenty more evidence, including modern usage and noting where they were found by archeologist aligning with the proposed use. Imy not sure how accurate either statement is, but I'm taking you at your word here.
If what the people OP is calling idiotic were talking about cartography techniques and not global warming when they used century old maps as evidence maybe then they wouldn't be called idiots.
As long as you understand, people of the future will be laughing at your maps too
@@dudebucket60 I tried reading your post sober and drunk... I still have no idea what you tired to say. Please explain for the stupid.I only speak 4 languages.
Please, I have no idea how to your message. Send a key to do so.
I love how it never crosses a conspiracy theorist's mind that cartography was extremely difficult back in the day and some people just straight up sucked at it.
"When his pregnant wife died in a car accident in '86, Quist had the 6 and-a-half month old fetus placed in his wife's arms *IN AN OPEN CASKET*" What in the actual fuckity fuck was that subtext?
That’s more sad than f***ed up.
@@dancingnature No. That's as fucked up as it gets!
And why are you censoring your own words on a channel where he usually says fuck in every 2nd sentence?
@@dancingnature No, it's just fucked up.
A fetus that’s been gestating for 6.5 months will just look like a very small baby. I don’t see what’s so f-ed up. I was born 3 months early, so obviously I came out baby shaped…
@@dancingnatureit’s both
“Seems right” and “looks right” is how these people conduct their scientific research.
the ancient aliens method
@@thepubknight6144 I really hope "ancient aliens" is on the wheel of pain. That nonsense is beyond stupid.
@@frankm.2850 Unfortunately it's probably way too much to cover in a concise video. Maybe if it was a series but even then it would be a huge time investment
@@samlewis6487 I'd be so down for an ancient aliens video series, holy shit that sounds great
@@ReinerMitAi. there is a podcast series I watch made by a dude named nerdsync and another guy whose TH-cam name escapes me. It's called 'it's probably not aliens'.
Oversimplified: French guy with no credibility makes an inaccurate map, 500 years later conspiracy theorist used it to make inaccurate theories.
It's actually pretty accurate based on the information he had at the time; he just filled in what was unknown with a complete guess.
Or the map you have is inaccurate and you suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Yeah it’s more “French guy made the best guesses he could with the information available at the time creating a vaguely relative map, 500 years later conspiracy theorists who have the technology to know better used it to make dramatic unrelated environmental claims”
sir this is Wendy’s
I mean he did a shit job if he drew it now but for what they knew I was kinda impressed. I'm not a cartographer or an archeologist hell I'm majoring in trauma nursing which requires 0 courses of anything like this. But if I was 1500 (God forbid) French "person" I would make cool looking land. Like I'd just draw a dick like Scandinavia.
I remember in kindergarten, learning basic geography and how the Americas were "discovered" (from the West's POV), and thinking "what if there is another continent out there we still haven't found?!" and then quickly remembered (before asking my teacher and embarrassing myself thankfully) we have boats, planes, and satellites, so obviously not.
All this to say, a kindergartener had the ability to see through this conspiracy, and not a particularly smart one either.
Fun Fact: if you remove the ice on Antarctica, it becomes clear that it isn't land covered in ice, its an archipelago covered in ice!
What is more accurate:
A. A couple of lines drawn on a piece of paper from the somewhat accurate guesswork of professional sailors.
B. _Ultra high-resolution photographs, of the entire fucking planet, from space._
If you answered A, please stay away from small objects, they're a choking hazard.
I'm beginning to be so tired of these knuckleheads that I'm considering if it wouldn't be better to _not_ advise them of choking hazards.
@@mnxs Lots of people, including the obnoxious moron who owns this channel, need the knuckleheads to make money off of them. He exploits them because they are at the same level of knowledge and intelligence. Example? He doesn't know that in the 1500s the lingua franca of science, philosophy and intellectual discourse all over Europe was Latin. To him, the cartographer changed his name to the Latin version just to sound cool (like Kanye West?)
I guess the planet never changes so what we see today is set in stone to be what it was. Yeah sure.
@@LuminateTheWorld It doesn't change that quick you slippery doorknob
Just what big cartography would say 🧐
TO BE FAIR
the spot where that big Apalache lake is supposed to be is a bunch of wetland, so in flooding seasons someone could have mistaken it for a lake. or been misinformed.
Also cartographers used to add fake features to maps to catch people who copied them
Usually it was something much smaller though
@@emberhermin52
They still do, for copyright reasons.
@@emberhermin52 exactly! Like paper towns.
We all saw the Jay Foreman video
@@emberhermin52 Is That where the Hollywood trope of “Here be dragons” & weird squid drawings & stuff being on old maps comes from??
Anti-copyright sauce like the stories before modern-day online recipes??
Our “Here be dragons” is “My mom used to make the most savory pot pie”…
The photo popping up when you said “in the hands of a ravenous toddler” made my entire day.
I never understood how people will look at a single drawing from the past and use them as proof for some conspiracy. If that’s the case then people in the future are going to believe that we lived with big breasted cat girls from Japan from all the art we made 😂😂😂
At best, they don't understand how we know what we know. Some of them probably haven't read a book since school, and definitely nothing older than they are except to misunderstand it.
At worst, they are proudly ignorant and would rather believe every major structure from Westminster Abbey to the Statue of Liberty was constructed by an ancient supercivilization and dug up after 1859.
Because they don’t need it to make actual sense or for it to have any backing. Conspiracy theories aren’t something people are swayed into believing, they *love* this shit. They decide it’s correct, then work backwards from there. That’s why their arguments are so inconsistent and tend to feature some kind of circular reasoning or confirmation bias.
😸🎌
good lord youve just made me realize how insane theyd think we really were if 90% of us disappeared and japan was rediscovered in 500-1000 years💀i cant even begin to assume how theyd explain the insane difference in culture that occurred after WW2
After the AI singularity occurs in the next decade, we may well have the technology to create big-breasted cat girls, so they'll be absolutely right.
The most painful part of the conspiracy theory was when they kept referring to a 16th century map as « ancient »
I read that as
The most painful fart…
Well….
Thank you! My brain did a record scratch when that happened. People were literally speaking modern English in the 16th century!
@@dielotosblum 'Literally'-speaking eh! Not orally-speaking then. I assume you were there then, or are you really saying ... 'the privileged few people whose works were published, were writing modern english' ...
Not saying you are necessarily wrong about the 1600s, but, when applied before those times, you may be making a logical fallacy, an epistemological flaw, by believing the writers of books ,,, the few books that there were before the printing press, owned by the few ,,,
@@there-sis-stanceiscoming8230 I think maybe you're confusing "literately" and "literally"? "Literally" in modern English means basically, "in actual fact". It's antonyms being "figuratively" and "metaphorically".
As in, the difference between "he fell off the wagon" and "he literally fell off the wagon", is that the former is a common figurative euphemism for succumbing to addictive temptation when trying to stay sober, while the latter means the "he" in question actually... you know, physically fell off of a wheeled mode of transport.
So the person saying "they were literally speaking English" in the 1600s was quite correct! Because they were, at least in England!
Granted, it was a very different dialect from the modern ones (for one, "thou/thee/thy" was not an adorably fancy, formal, way of saying "you/you/your" but rather the INFORMAL, i.e. more intimate and Familiar version of that pronoun, similar to how Spanish today has "tu" for familiar/intimate/informal You, and "usted" for the polite/formal You), but Elizabethan English was and still is DEFINITELY recognizable as a dialect of English.
While some terms and nuances have shifted since the 1600s, sometimes to amusing degrees that require say, the proper study of Shakespeare's plays to include the linguistic shifts and cultural references... for the most part, it's still comprehensible even to modern speakers of English. To the extent that a modern class of high schoolers reading "The Taming of The Shrew" will ABSOLUTELY get a lot of the dirty puns/wordplay from the dialogue, which I know because I can't possibly forget the amazement of my peers when the line "my tongue in your tail?" came up and they actually started having the Realization that, in contrast to the stodgy picture Adults portrayed Shakespeare with,, Shakespeare's comedies were actually quite bawdy. 😂 (actually, a lot of his more dramatic plays were too, but they're often subtler about it, certainly in comparison to "Shrew"!)
Tldr: they meant that English as a recognizable language existed by then. They're correct, and they used a grammatically correct way to state it too.
EDIT: now that I read your comment again I'm even more confused why you felt like questioning them. Plays like Shakespeare's were PERFORMED out loud - their being written in iambic pentameter is meant to make it easier for the actors to memorize - so while it was indeed written down, I assure you SOMEONE was speaking it out loud at some point, we even have occasional commentary on Shakespeare's career from his contemporaries (not all of it flattering, but yes), and we have the folios containing his work only because people with the money for print runs, while alive during his lifetime, loved his plays and wanted to preserve them.
A version of English WAS in use then, albeit with wildly subjective spelling when written due to no standardization being yet in place, but we know this because Shakespeare's plays were entertainment for people who WERENT just the elites (the main audience in the Globe, stood on bare ground and chomped on snacks during the show) and many of the plays did well enough that clearly the average person was able to understand them.
Like do I think every aspect of colloquial English was recorded I writing? Of course not. But English in GENERAL existed by then and was common enough for popular plays to be performed in it.
@@studioyokai Bear in mind, that the format I am reading does not show me what I originally said (so, what I am saying now may be a variation on the above in some way, I admit it in advance lol)
So ...
All that bling-blong you wrote is about what posh people wrote. Admit it? You cant deny it. Posh people wrote that 'literally' means what it does today, in the 1600s. That doesn' tell us what was going-on with the words before then, and it also doesn't tell us what the common people spoke before then, or even during the 1600s (guessing it may have been the same, but we have no audio to prove it either way).
The posh writing occurs after the spoken word has been given a written form, by, guess, who ... yeah, the posh twits ... and they might invent a few words too ... and distort the common-speak words when giving them a written form, into posh versions of the words, which could deviate hugely from the original spoken words ... and then the posh have eventually schooled everyone ... into being text-of-mind rather than sound-of-mind, written 'culture' as opposed to old oral culture ... potentially ... with varying degrees of trickery, depending on the words and their fuckwitterie mind-satan, sorry, mind-set
The pen-wand wielding black ink magicians would say something like what you said.
They would ignore that 'literally' is undeniably similar to 'literature'.
Which came first is the question ... they either pretended 'literally' means (or happies) 'actual factual' (and we might also question the word 'act' as well, whichever came first, reality and acting have been mixed together, not surprising for pretentious turds) ... or they, having money to print, 'coined' the word 'literature' to associate it with 'literal', to falsely justify their written-word-religion (surely I dont need to explain).
The posh twits pretend words aint related, their whole methodology is to ignore connections ... even their dogmatic dictionary bibles pretend that there is no connection between two 'instances' of the same word (like 'mean' and 'mean', or, 'presence' and 'presence' (in the latter egg sample, they have 'spelled' one 'instance' of the word, 'spelled' with black ink magic)).
Uni-verse-city (enlightenmentalist version of the 'universal' religion, where disciplines replace disciples - both are nonsense anyway, as the word tell us ... the song of life surely has more than one verse) continues to retain a lot of mental posh dogma ... its a freemason religion for teachers to indoctrinate the masses with (they do a ritual with a mortar board and gown, to get a degree, also known as a lie-sense licence to then preach the high-priests waffle to indoctrinate innocent children into being complaint citizens on the citizenship (not saying its all lies, or even that the allies are all lies, but the warnings are there, in short form (made shorter to obscure them, another 'spell'-ing), rather than long phrases that'd be harder to recall, in oral tradition) ... the dogma lingers longer (two related words that have not been messed with) outside the technical, technological sciences (where more funding, for specific new lines of thinking, comes along from parasites who see opportunities) ... things like medieval chronology ... associated etymology ... outside-the-box thinking is dis-miss-ed, or ignored, even faster than the astronomers dismissed Velikovsky ... and geology theory (which has no test-retest reliability, but they call it a science) ...
THEY are doing the confusing ;-) Con-fuse-ing, neuro-linguistically ... in this case twisting a word so that its sense deviates from the phonetic relationship with similar words ... causing a neural mess ...
What is 'literally' true is that the black ink magicians pen people into pens with pens (using written laws, the belief in laws, and, sometimes, a bunch of enforcers).
Your reference to the 1600s merely shows that the trickery with this particular word occurred before then.
Thanks for doing part of my (re)search for me ... ;-)
P.S. Writing labelled as Shakespeare could equally 'just' be what posh people wrote, not what common people said.
Regardless, 'early modern english' is easily comprehendable, the same language ... word trickery, at a guess, occurred before then, or during the strange change (an eerie era where the foundations of the modern world, and the minds of modern man, were dreampt up in ivory towers) ...
Most debunkers: Look, we all know this is ridiculous, but in the name of science and education, let's just politely go through each point and explain how and why that's not the case.
MiniMinuteMan: Each and every one of them has an easily identifiable band of wool pulled over their eyes, *and their heads shoved firmly up their a-*
I’ve never been the most tactful presenter…
@@miniminuteman773 we want you to do exactly what you been doing "if it's not broken don't fix it" who ever wants to feel offended for random reasons that means they gonna stay getting offended no matter what you do or say.. Go on with your own way.. Thank you very much for what you do you're a legend on the make
I personally approve of that approach
@@miniminuteman773 tact is overrated but I think you’re doing a great job!
Well, to call a spade anything but a spade is to be a liar.
Latinized names were super common at that point in time. Descartes published a lot of his works under the name "Renatus Cartesius." That Latinized last name is why they're called "Cartesian Coordinates."
You know an article is gonna be good when the author calls an late reneissance map ancient...
I'm surprised that nobody is talking about how this map, supposedly "drawn with such amazing accuracy", still claims that North America is connected to East Asia. Like, how can one take this clearly uninformed guess of a map and claim that it shows some absolute truth lost to ages. Unless these conspiracy theorists believe that the Pacific Ocean is also a hoax.
There's some that actually do lol. I've seen people claim that the pacific ocean isn't nearly as large as maps portray it as because of flat earth.
no, it’s bigger because of the Mandela effect. That’s what I heard anyway. We’re just somehow in another dimension in which the earth is a different size and continents are slightly askew. Or maybe it’s a map projection thing. Idk I’m not a cartographer!
All I want now is to become a Pacific Ocean hoax conspiracy theorist
I mean it's an old ass map, it's not supposed to be more accurate than modern maps. It's just interesting that something that looks relatively accurate is on a map when it shouldn't be
Here is my guess: part of the information the cartographer uses is the estimated circumference and area of the whole planet. If you know (or think you know) the size of the Atlantic Ocean and the size of Europe, you can take a rough guess at the size of America even if you haven't explored it because there's only so much of it that can fit in the already known planet.
tl;dr: his measurements of the globe and of the continents were off in a way that America and East Asia needed to meet in order for it all to fit.
There’s something very chef’s kiss about “this map is incredibly accurate to modern maps, too accurate to be a coincidence or a mistake” and “he just kinda ran out of space for the peninsula and decided not to draw it, don’t worry about it.” I wish these people could just hear themselves and get the good laugh at their expense that the rest of us do!
I'm laughing at you right now. LMAO!
"guys, it says 'Australia' and it's in the wrong place. That ain't how accuracy works" - said everyone with a brain
You just described confirmation bias. Never heard the term 'chef's kiss' before. Not sure what it means.
@@Heathcoatman It’s the gesture when a person puts the tips of their fingers and thumb together on their lips and “kisses” them to show that something is good. I don’t know the real origin and how common it actually was for real chefs to do it, but I remember always seeing chefs in cartoons doing it about good food, and now the phrase is sort of slang for saying something is good or outstanding in some way.
I’m not very good at explaining things, but I hope that makes sense!
@@Cheezbuckets Ah, ok thanks. The old Italian 'thatsa spicy meatball!' gesture. I just didnt know it was called that.
In an internet crippled by cynical click-baiting charlatans you are a breath of fresh air. Thank you for the effort you put into these excellent videos.
I found your channel last night at 3am during another night of existential crisis induced insomnia and I was instantly and fully hooked!! Thank you for sharing!
In defence of historical cartographers: These maps were pretty good for their day. I am a geographer by training and a sailor by hobby. The latter has taught me how difficult it is to identify an island or shore from different directions or viewing conditions if you aren't familiar the area. Back then, ships were not very good at sailing against the wind, so instead of spending days, weeks or months trying while the ship's provisions are dwindling and crew's spirits mutiniously growing, a certain amount of guess work is understandable. Also, whereas latitude was easy to determine with a calendar and a sextant, longitude determination was laboriously difficulty and inaccurate at best.
Map users of the day recognized the maps' limitations and knew them to be rough approximations, but in comparison with no map at all, these were a godsend.
Well said, sir.
Yeah it isn't because of any lacking of intelligence. It's because sailing fucking SUCKED and technology wasn't great and you just kinda had to work with what you saw most of the time.
Although also sometimes maps were made from people who never left their city and just kinda made shit up.
@@wadespencer3623 Well, traveling long distances took years of your life, and could easily cut it short. Hic sunt dracones = from here onwards, you are on your own.
Fra Mauro made his map taking the best sources available at his time, sorted the information as carefully as he could, and his map was the best for a long time - despite the friar never traveling anywhere.
finally, someone with some common sense.
Exactly. Imagine you're Abel Tasman, thousands of miles from home in a small and vulnerable ship. You spot what appears to be an inlet in the new land you've discovered. You could sail into it and get trapped on a lee shore, have to spend a week beating to windward to get free and risk being attacked by the locals, or you could say, 'It looks like a bight, so we'll draw it as that and keep heading North along the coast.'
If he'd sailed into it, he'd have discovered the Cook Strait and realised that New Zealand was two separate islands, but discretion is definitely the better part of valour in those seas and they lived to tell the tale, albeit with a slightly inaccurate map.
"I was a fucking weird kid...and now I'm a weird adult. Funny how that happens." yeah i felt that
No, he is not weird, he would like to be weird but he is just a narcissistic jackass.
I was like how the hell did you get my entire life into a sentence
I felt that sentence right in my Weird Glands.....
That's where the weird comes from right?
12:36 in that Rorschach test i saw two winged demons trying to kiss but separated by some kind of squid creature rising out of a cloud of ink... i hate to imagine what a psychologist would read into that lol
Now we need the Orontius Pherb map
XD
Anyone claiming that a map from the 1500s is more accurate than the maps we can make today has never used GIS software. What we can map on computers these days blows my mind. But ya know, why trust satellites when you could trust maps from a thousand years ago
SPACE and sattelites dobt exist they are fakes by huge antennas. :-D
*500 years ago?
@@eloweez8798 Medieval and ancient map makers also liked to add speculative landmasses and did a lot of mistakes because... well, they had no satellites. I'm pretty sure this map is not the only one used as "evidence" for conspiracy theories.
Imagine giving these historic cartographers modern Maps they be like damn I'm an idiot I was so wrong well better fix it or maybe I'm just assuming they'd be better Sports than they are
They don't trust NASA which they think is anything from or about space.
‘The wet sea’ made me laugh more then it should’ve
Maybe there's a huge Dry Sea somewhere... perhaps... Idaho?
@@ShizukuSeiji Thats “Dry Lake” which implies the existence of “Wet Lake”.
In Australia you've got the Sandy Desert. And it's for real!
why did it take me a year to realize that 6:02 makes it painfully obvious what the continent is-?
like... australis is *one* letter away from australia
One more thing, Terra Australis was a speculative landmass populat on some maps in the 1500s and 1600s. Geographers speculated that to counterbalance the large amount of land in the northern hemisphere, there needed to be a landmass of similar size on the southern hemishpere. Enter terra Australis, it was speculated that there was a large landmas connected to the then unexplored southern coast of Australia and potentially also connected to Terra del Fuego. The Orontius Finaeus map is simply a depiction of said speculatory Terra Australis from an angle which makes it look vaguely like Antarctica.
A lot of old maps also use fake landmarks as a pseudo-copyright; used to figure who drew the map and tell the difference between a copy and the original.
Modern maps still do that. Adding little roads and stuff here and there as copyright trap.
@@HappyBeezerStudios - They are even called "trap streets".
@@MossyMozart just be careful about putting trap houses on the trap streets
@@djursic9695there might also be trapdoors in the trap houses sp be very careful
How would they be used to tell the difference between a copy and the original?
Both would have the fake landmark
A doctor I worked for would bring her young daughter into the office with her sometimes, and the poor child would be bored to tears (me too, honestly!). We would draw imaginary towns together with silly street names and businesses, like Help Help I Need A Doctor Hospital, which was just down Ooga Booga Street from the Febreeze factory.
I used to have so much fun making my own made up maps as a kid!
See I was the kid who made post-apocalyptic maps in middle school. I'd create new cultures and countries and South America always had been hit by a meteor so there there a giant piece missing for some reason?
@@priestessoftheroses8898 Not South America! It's the only continent with capybaras!
We used to get dragged along on house cleaning jobs, and if we were bored my mom used that as leverage to get us to help with the cleaning... Child labor what's that? Lmao it was awful
@@priestessoftheroses8898 the duality of Man. I ONLY drew South America on mine lmao
I used to give pyramids to the Incas for some reason - pyramids at the top of a giant ass mountain range. My kid self knew the good shit
As an older guy, 65, it's nice to see a younger person putting out accurate information on some of the ridiculous claims on the internet. Although I would prefer a more serious tone, I suppose that's just the old man coming out of me. Keep up the good work.
if you want a more serious tone might i suggest a textbook
@@HungerGamesFan88 His more recent work like when he takes down Hancock's Ancient Aliens is more serious. You're asking someone to go to different material when the change was already made. Most kids grow out of being edgelords.
@Pangora2 what the fuck are you talking about old man
I think you'd enjoy the TH-cam channel, "History Time". Pete is an outstanding historian with a gift of storytelling that makes you hungry to learn more. It's the kind of History education I wish was available when I was in school.
I wind down to his videos every night before bed. He has a great voice.
The weather around Cape Horn and the Southern ocean is so bad that early ships just wouldn't be capable of navigating effectively there. I imagine a few exploratory cruises ended up with "to hell with this - we're going to make it up"
Isn't the whole story of Flying Dutchman and other ghost ships made in memory of sailors who perished trying to go around either Cape Horn or Cape of Good Hope?
I called it! At the start, I guessed the “Antarctica” on the map would actually be Australia because, nine times out of ten, an ancient map that makes up a new landmass that isn’t North or South America is actually just finding Australia. Nailed it.
Yeah, as soon as I read "Terra Australis", I thought it must be Australia because that is what it name implies. The claim, that it was Antarctica actually confused me a lot.
@@philippschmidt9499 Terra Australis wasn’t intended to refer to Australia, but now we can see that it kind of does, but only by coincidence. It comes from the ancient idea that the world probably had an equal amount of land on both sides of the planet to keep it balanced. Since they knew about Asia, Africa, and Europe, but hadn’t yet explored much of the oceans, they assumed there must be a continent of equally large size down somewhere in the southern ocean. They called this hypothetical continent “Terra Australis” meaning “southern land” and put it on maps where they assumed it would be. Eventually much later we discovered that there was no such thing, but we did find the much smaller landmasses of Antarctica and Australia, the latter of which was given a similar name inspired by the old myth, and the former is in a location where the supposed southern land was depicted on most old maps. So it wasn’t meant to be Australia or Antarctica, but kinda ended up being both lol. I’m really surprised he didn’t bring the origin of the idea of Terra Australis in the video cuz it’s pretty well known and goes a long way towards supporting his points.
@@MerkhVision was actually going to say this. even the name "Antarcticus", which is also on the map, is just referring to the position, since "Antarcticus" means "land opposite the bears", because it's on the opposite hemisphere as the constellations of Ursa Major and Ursa Minor
The French didn’t discover Australia until the late 1700s. So Oronce Fine couldn’t have know of the existence of Australia.
Tbh, as an Aussie, hearing that explorers from the 16th century thought that Australia was actually Antarctica is better than hearing Conspiracy Theorists believing that Australia doesn't exist.
The greeks theorized about such a massive landmass in the south pole for no reason other than "the world must be balanced with equal land mass on both poles...right?" and most geographers up until the full discovery of australia and antartica just went with it. Same goes for most "ghost islands" (islands from myths and legends that maps kept depicting further and further ahead when they kept realising they werent a thing....or finding an actual island and pretending it was what the myth was about all along, altho thats not so farfetched).
It is theorized a portuguese navigator reached australia before 1531, a portuguese produced map from later years depicts what looks like part of the australian coast, but its still hypothetical tbh
There's even a theory that the Irish knew about the Americas before even Leif Erickson, because their ancient myths insist that they were originally from the "far West" and were _chased_ from their home across the ocean.
There was also a weird theory that the landmasses of the world had to be in the shape of a cross because Jesus. This was somehow as step back from the Greek view because it made even less sense than "world has to be balanced by land." The Open Polar Sea was also a popular idea because it was thought moving ocean water couldn't freeze.
Yeah I can accept that maybe the Portuguese made it to Australia at some point, and it's well known the Dutch landed somewhere in Western Australia (my home state!) And saw the absolute desert wasteland full of weird (and wonderful animals) and went "screw this!"
@@Lazyfire actually, those particular maps were just a stylistic choice, they weren't trying to portray land masses realistically, it was just to show roughly where they lay in relation to each other.
The theology was more important than the geography for those.
So there's that excuse for those, at least.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 nahh unlikely. They just see the coast that didn't have neareat land
Very entertaining! I regret i wont be around in 30 years to see your transition. Being in my 70's i have witnessed a fair amount, i think you will make a fine scholar eventually.
Would argue:
Watching you abuse your mental health is not a sadistic pleasure, it is Schadenfreude.
Certainly a finite differentiation, much like the correct orientation of a map.
You just know someone's gonna find your childhood map in 500 years and have some great conspiracy theory😆
The real facts the Xeno-liberal galactic regime don’t want you to know!
"How did they know that the sea was wet 500 years ago?" 🧐
@@randomlyfactual1943its now just your mom
@@TylerTMG I take it your mom is dry then?
Can I ask how you came by this information?
"The ancients knew some of the states were stupid!"
I am 100% having my homeschooled 9 year old make up his own map this week. That thing is a gem.
This sounds like a great lesson, I love hearing from people who actually teach their kids at home, so often we only hear about people who “homeschool” but don’t teach their kids anything.
+1, I got to make a few as a kid and they were always a blast. Bonus points if you can find him a copy of the original Sim City to play with.
I know this an old post, but dropping rice on a paper and tracing it makes really fun shapes for the edges of land
@@notoriousresearcher Sim City 2000 and 3000 are where it's at for kid friendly city building
That might just be nostalgia though, and a game like Cities Skylines would entertain a kid too
Around 15 years ago my little "me wants to become an explorer-scientist™ later" smartass used to draw several maps of a big island in the shape of a... pelican. And the name of this island? Welican. Applaud my supreme genious.
2:07 If real maps have places called “The Sahara Desert”, then why not “The Wet Sea”?
17:06 I genuinely thought you were gonna say they are completely and utterly French-
That would also be true
@@minecraftnerd2175 lmaooo, no hate against the French-
The fact that you've encased your grade-school map in plastic has made it a truly significant discovery!
Mom did that
That's just one of those restaraunt menu holder thingies
I knew that this map was a crazy, enlarged representation of an Australian-Antarctican continent as soon as I saw it due to one simple qualification: I'm an Australian who's seen historical maps like this thousands of times. If you know our colonial history then you should fully know what "Terra Australis" is.
I also am one and yet this is entirely how it works.
Yup.
Didnt Ptolemy coin the term Terra Australis incogneta, (great unknown land) because he thought a large piece of land had to exist south to balance out the weight of the Northern continents? And i thought that Australia was named Australia when Flinders mapped it out in early 1800s and needed a name to take away the New Holland name and chose Australia because of the original name for the unknown land and he also thought it sounded sweet.
@@norbitcleaverhook5040 At the very least Terra Australis is something that was posited for a very long time before the actual discovery of any land there, for more or less those reasons.
@@norbitcleaverhook5040 This makes me think of the 'Counterweight Continent' from Terry Prattchet's Discworld - very likely inspired by these theories
Loved your video. Saw the map on an episode of Ancient Aliens, which I find to be an absolutely ridiculous show but I still watch because I'm just so thirsty for answers. I was amazed by the map, until I watched your video. I knew there had to be an explanation. Thanks for your awesome content!
This is SO. GOOD. The info, the humor, the editing. Oh man. Great find. I’ll be watching every video on the channel.
I’m an anthropologist (of the forensic variety) and I’ve always been fascinated by pseudo-science, why people believe in it, and just how much actual scientific evidence they ignore to do so. I’m really excited to get to everything on the wheel of pain!
In computer science and statistics we boil it down to the dangerous half-specialist.
A person who knows enough to throw conjectures and not enough to criticize its own findings or understand true specialists would take hours or days to explain all that we miss
I'd recommend you check out 'Gutsick Gibbon' then. She's a primatologist/bioanthropologist who dissects creationist talking points in a similar manner. It's not one of those 'faith is stupid, atheism rulz' channels though, no worries. Like most scientists, she has no beef with science affirming theism. She just roasts those who insist the earth is 6000 years old and dinos were pets, but members of Australopithecus clearly were quadrupeds ... I couldn't make up most of the stuff myself, it's quite funny.
most of all scientific evidence for pretty much everything
The more you know, the more realize you know very little....only the ignorant believe they know everything.
I think the easy part is understanding *how* someone can believe something wrong. We all do, for lack of knowledge, biases, being mislead by something...
The fascinating part is *why*. Why would someone *actively* choose to believe so many obviously wrong stuff.
And I think there are different aspects to it.
First of all, they likely get a good feeling from it. It could be one or several of: feeling special for having access to special knowledge; feeling like they belong to a group; feeling they found a cause; peer pressure (especially now that it's become a part of their political identities for some)... Any of those alone could be enough for someone who already has a tendency to self-delusion.
But there's also something else at play. It looks like a lot of them, once they start with one fringe pseudoscience conspiracy theory, go into the rabbit hole and start collecting them all. And a lot of them don't just "believe" it, they actively make it part of their identity.
I believe it could be some form of addiction for many of them.
As one of three french viewers... Every joke on baguetteland were top notch, keep em coming lmao
We love to mock yall but you know how to fight for your rights.
As the second one of the three French viewers from the future, I am not alienated either. smh not trying hard enough
I seem to be the third French viewer, and concur with my concitoyens, this channel is awesome!
As one of the two remaining French viewers, I laughed as well
1, 2, 3, 4... 5th French viewer here, as well Hon-Hon'ing at the jokes about The French. Keep it up!
I'm a commercial electrician, and recently discovered your channel, slowly going through your content. And while I have no idea where you got it, I love that the oldest sticker on that laptop is the 480 volts sticker
“The wet sea” 💀💀💀 ain’t no way bruh.
Minor side point: When they use the term "man-made climate change", it means they gave up on arguing that climate change doesn't exist, and _instead_ argue that it's an entirely natural thing that always happened and we can not affect.
(Which… well, the climate _has_ always been changing. But we're both accelerating the process, *and* on the way to knock it out its previous, "natural" fluctuations into a permanent increase.)
Yes. I convinced my mom that climate change exists she just doesn’t believe it’s been mostly caused by humans 😭
Sorry but anything the humans do couldn't kill this planet just make it inhospitable for us to live on
It's called moving the goalposts. People revert to this kind of behavior when they can't use logic.
@@Jacob-od5yo nukes? Pretty sure enough of those could kill it
@@arthurbrown8604 my man if an astriod couldn't nukes can't
Excellent summary! Also, if Antarctica were ice-free, it would be much smaller - with West Antarctica being more like an archipelago. So the Orontius Finaeus map would be an approximation of Antarctica only if you assumed all the current ice had originally been stone.
Turning stone into ice is ALSO proof that global warming isn't real, because politics!
I mean, because reasons.
To be fair... postglacial rebound my beloved
@@flinko99 postglacial rebound sounds like what you'd call the first foray into dating after a loveless marriage.
@@flinko99 postglacial rebound would last for many, many millennia. Where I live the postglacial rebound from the glaciation 10000 years ago, still happens, albeit slowly now. 700 years ago there was a river stream going into the gulf of my home town, and then due to land rebound, it gradually turned into chain of lakes. Due to elevation change. Another stream of the same river still flows into the other direction, into a huge lake
That’s the one I wanted to say.
You beat me to it.
And including Post Glacial Rebound still leave you with a bunch of islands.
Of course the pole was ice free, haven't you read "at the mountains of madness"? We all know Lovecraft's writings are all non-fiction.
I was guessing it was actually Australia in the beginning of the video. Now it is being revealed to me, unsurprisingly, at 16:00
I'm quite proud of myself for seening that Tarra AUSTRALIS was a misplacement of Australia, because 1)it didn't exist on the map and 2)wasn't even fully mapped out even when the British controlled most of it in 1700s let alone the 1500s
My man took the Australian upside down/reversed meme to a a new level 😂
With respect, Miniminuteman is fundamentally wrong in saying that the map represents Australia and trying to point to specific geographical features like the Cape York Peninsula or the gulf of Carpentaria, it simply does not, European cartographers and explorers had absolutely no idea about Australia and its features in the early 16th century when this map was made. This is entirely just the hypothetical notion of Terra Australis which was not something that was based on solid discoveries and knowledge of the world, it was an artifact of the influence of the Aristotelian tradition in European assumptions about the world, in this case the idea that the northern hemisphere's continents needed to be balanced by similar landmasses in the south.
There is zero evidence that Europeans like Orontius Finaeus had any knowledge of Australia, at best they were filling in empty spaces on their maps with what they assumed should be there. Miniminuteman is essentially making the same mistakes as the people he's debunking, he's making assumptions and readings that cannot be supported by the evidence we actually have available, mostly out of a faint sense that it kind of looks recognizable sorta. He really needs to reexamine what he said in this video and inform himself on the actual history of European cartography and exploration, Australia, the real landmass that is, would not enter the European consciousness and thus maps until the 17th century, long after Orontius Finaeus was dead, and the areas they mapped were far more centered initially on the western half of the continent than the north, like one of the earliest maps accurately depicts Australia up to the Cape York peninsula and they seem to think it reached north and formed a land bridge with New Guinea.
I really want someone to make an updated version of kid Milo's map in a very official looking style. (Must keep the misspellings though)
Edit: wait what am I talking about, I could do this. Milo how do I get a higher res picture of that map, I wanna make it look ✨legit✨
I WANT TO SEE THIS
I have uploaded a high res version on my discord!! I would be happy to send you a copy if youd like!
@@miniminuteman773brb gotta find that Discord server
don't forget the kye!
Can someone link the discord???
Finally someone speaks as fast as I can think
Adding common sence halps to ingest this
Given all the malarchy I have listend to in the past that never registered
I really love your content, and i hope you dont decide to quit❤
Would 100% buy your map…on a shirt and as an actual map but only if that key is included
map “kye” merch for the win, especially t-shirts
I want one where the stupid states are isolated and the words taken from the kye "stupid state" plastered above it.
I find it funny how some people talk about how "extraordinarily accurate" the map is but somehow fail to question how a Frenchman can think the Dardanelles are wider than Italy when you can see across the Dardanelles and out of the Nordic countries, only manage to almost get Denmark right, but also roughly know the details of an undiscovered continent on the other side of the globe
Can ... and did ... different times ... may have been different geography ...
Probably not, but its a guess ,,, and historical 'sciences' have no test-retest reliability ...its theory theory theory ...
Leaves us with arty-facts, small jigsaw pieces, pattern recognition, and guesswork ....
which the stablishment dont want to admit ...
... they like to pretend its all perfectly calculated ....
... guessing, but the modern story, when spin is removed, probably stands up, mainly, by virtue of multiple sources, etc ...
... but the really old story ...
The Dardanelles are what, a kilometre and a half at the narrowest point? You could row across pretty quickly, as long as you’re careful not to get run over by a freighter or something over the channel.
2:19 I want to see if I live in a stupid state
As much as old maps lack in accuracy they are super valuable insights into peoples world views at different times,they also tell fascinating stories like the one behind mistaking california for an island.
A small nitpick: latanisation of one's name was the standard in Europe in the late medieval and early modern times among academics. Latin was also the language of scholarly work back then. Erasmus of Rotterdam called himself Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus, but was called Geert Geerts in real life. Nicolaus Copernicus was known as Mikołaj Kopernik in Poland and Niklas Koppernigk in Middle Low German (which was spoken in Royal Prussia, where he was born). Thomas More signed his writings as Thomas Morus. René Descartes called himself Renatus Cartesius. And so on, you get the gist.
We all know and so does he. Good job, I guess but, you know, humor.
i wish we used these native-language names for historical figures more often!
@@lulucool45 Their point is that the "native language names" we already use for them are inaccurate since they did not use names in their native languages in their works, but the Latin version.
Does being common in classical academics make it any less pretentious?
@@SIS3W3N You committed an anachronism, sir. It is pretenious to our modern ears. It was a perfectly normal thing to do back then, and was not pretentious at all. You wrote your work in Latin, and you Latinized your name too. Just like today, you use your academic title (Dr/PhD, Dr habil., professor etc.) in the academic context and it's not pretentious.
Just gonna throw this out there
We know what Antarctica looks like without the ice (basically looks like the Caribbean on steroids)
And it’s looks n o t h i n g like Terra Australis
So even if cartographers had somehow mapped Antarctica in like 1500 (which they hadn’t) without it’s ice, it wouldn’t look like just Antarctica but with g r e e n, it would just look like a giant fucking mess of barely connected islands, and it would be very likely that they would have hit one of the many underwater islands and would have sink.
So yeah
Hmmm, wouldn't they technically become seamounts once they're underwater instead of islands?
@@Yawyna124 yes
Not that this negates your point but removing that much ice from Antartica would cause isostatic rebound, and the land would rise. This would make a continent whose shape is... difficult, shall we say, to predict.
@@tesnacloud That would happen over a geologic time scale though, like on a scale of centimeters per century.
@@sealeo5772 we know that Isostatic rebound can happen in meters per year. It has happened in recorded history in a few places, though not from melted ice sheets (yet).
2:44 Ice-free Poles are ridiculous, every Polish person I know has a freezer full of ice.
someone needs to make a compilation of miniminuteman being done with everything lmaooo (love ur vids btw they always make my day)
As a French person, I can certify all statements made about the French in this video. Great video.
Did you unsubscribe as he feared?
@@theamhway Nah, we don't unsubscribe, we start revolutions if we don't agree. But I support 100% the statements made about the French, so no problems here. Yet.
@@phrogs3217 op do you know how intimidating that is
I've heard rumors a significant number of French people do in fact exist, and a not insignificant percentage of them live in France to this very day. Sounds plausible anyway.
@@troodon1096 I thought the French was just an ol' boogieman tale? They ain't real, right?
I mean, it's labeled Australis. That might give some of these dopes tiny hint of what it might be. It was certainly my first thought, especially after it was mentioned as having been newly found and no mention of ice. This my new favorite channel, BTW, I love your humor and style of delivery.
It's a bit of a reversal, actually. Australia was named after "Terra Australis" (essentially, "Southern Land"), which was part of the Greek theory that there were two massive continents on the North and South Poles. This map uses the coastal spottings of the Tierra del Fuego and northern Australia (most of the coastline wouldn't be filled out until the Dutch floated along the area in the 17th? century) to infer that they were two ends of the same supercontinent
Or the fact that we have taken ice samples from pretty far down, but nah that's fake.
Bro, I wish I could give more. You enrich my mind every time we hang out. Carry on cuz.
0:36 “Oooooohhhhhhhhh Yeeeeaaaaahhh, Oww” - Milo Rossi, New Year’s Eve 2021
Set playback speed to 0.5 x for maximum effect
In 5th grade I made a map, and not knowing what name to give the country on it, I looked at a globe and picked "Sierra Leone" thinking no one knows this country exists, I'll just steal the name.
Of course, in 6th grade geography we had to learn the names and capitols of all the countries in the world, and I was heartbroken to find out that the country wasn't exactly a secret.
Time to get over it.
@@lucasoheyze4597 I'm pretty sure they're over it lol, they were just telling a funny story
@@WhiteWolf-lm7gj r/woosh
@@overlord2495 r/thatsnothowwooshworks
My uncle is a rare book dealer who sells and works with a hell of a lot of maps from the 1500’s. The amount of shit that people just made up because they had to update the map yearly to sell it is insane. There was random lakes the size of California, new oceans, and random lands just sort of thrown in there because they didn’t know what was there, and they weren’t able to check every year. Literally all these maps were inaccurate in some significant way, so taking them as gospel is insane
I read “rare book dealer” and I think about a guy in a trench coat, roughly 3-4 raccoons tall, in a dark alleyway saying “yoo wanna buy a fuukin b o o k?”
In Australia, we're literally taught Australia was called Terra Australis.
Dude…your logic is understood and your sarcasm is hilarious…keep up the greatness
I mean, Antarctica was completely ice free for a very, VERY long time, most of it's existence actually from what I know. Back around 34 million years ago when Australia and South America were still connected to it, warm ocean currents kept nearly the entire continent balmy and tropical. But once the three continents separated and the freezing Antarctic circumpolar current started swirling around it, it froze over and hasn't been slightly warm since. That was long before we even existed tho...
A mere nitpick! ;-)
@@macsnafu I'm just sayin'. Antarctica being ice free isn't too wild a concept, but it hasn't been like that at all since we've been around 😅
@@crypticcrustacean4499Lies are best sold with a hint of truth. Antarctica wasn't always frozen, but it has been since long before we came around. That's the point, it's a bit of reality mixed in to cover up the fantasy, like using a lot of salt and pepper to cover up slightly burned food.
My mom has a really stressful job so I’m always trying to learn interesting little stories and tidbits to tell her to get her mind off it. This series has been perfect for that so far, so thanks :)
that's so sweet of you
I have to point this out.
I simply cannot help it.
While showing examples of terrible maps, he said that one of them "Shows the Zambezi River as a circle, which is more akin to a water park ride than an actual river."
In Columbus, Ohio, there is a water park that is owned and operated by the zoo. It's right next to it, they share a parking lot, and season passes will get you into either.
The water park was originally named "Wyandot Lake."
Some time in the last 15-20 years they renovated and changed the name to "Zoombezi Bay."
"Gigantic inference from Australia to South America". Mic drop. Killed it.
I think that, especially when you consider the fact that before the discovery of Australia, people expected to find a large landmass in the south, It's not unsurprising that with the limited knowledge they had, they would have assumed that an uncharted large landmass leading south on one side and another one on the other might have been connected.
It's even why Australia is called Australia because when it was actually later discovered they thought that this was the final, most southern landmass, and probably why the landmass on the map is called Terra Australis.
I also want to point out that the California-as-Island map was mostly because they had explored only part of the Baja-California peninsula and assumed it didnt rejoin the continent (for some reason)
The reasoning was that California is much higher geographically than the surrounding area. When the Spanish sailed up the inner part of Baja California, because they knew just how high this region was elevated, they presumed the entire thing to be almost a small continent of its own. The water between California and America wasn't presumed to be that wide or deep either, but something more closer to like the Great Lakes.
@@merp9610 Not to um Actually you, but it was pretty quickly discovered to be a peninsula. Francisco Ulloa explored the whole California coast in 1539 and found the mouth of the Colorado river. But because they had named the area “California” after a fantasy island in a popular book, non-Spanish maps depicted it as an island for more than a century after. In a weird twist, this was because Dutch pirates stole and published the only Spanish map that showed it as an island: it was created by a conspiratorial priest who was convinced it was an island despite evidence to the contrary.
Milo, thank YOU for such great, entertaining content and spreading factual information. You've become a hero of mine! ❤
5:00 was that a Pirates of the Caribbean reference?
Time to add old maps to list of things to look up when I need a giggle right next to horrible jello mold recipes from the 50s and 60s
My favorite bad map is the flat earth map with TWO ice rings bc it includes THOTH THE FLOATING ISLAND
An old, inaccurate map molded out of jello with landmasses made up of ingredients that have no business being in jello
(Slowly walks to the podium, clears throat, takes out a piece of paper, leans toward the microphone and starts to read) "As someone from Minnesota, Alan Quist can go fuck himself." (Leans back, puts away paper, and walks off stage)
Right? He's quite the ignorant, hateful piece of work. Big yikes.
Sounds pretty based to me. No wonder you leftist brainlets hate him
*applauds wildly*
@@maxschw.5239 "ENCORE! ENCORE!"
As a former Minnesotan I concur
There’s also the issue of, if Antarctica was truly iceless, it would not appear as one solid landmass. It would be mapped as a series of islands, and bare very little resemblance to the continent we know today.
“Holy fuck god this got my blood pressure going” made me spit out my drink 10:10
My latin american prof went on a rant about this map. He said even by the standards of accurate mapping at the time, its not even close to accurate.
If you look at the *North* Pole, the map also shows a strange quartet of large islands in the Arctic Ocean surrounding a cross-shaped sea, which as far as I know is an extrapolation from old legends with no basis in reality.
sounds like classical mythology carried over
@MattMcIrvin - I went back and froze the image. You are correct. I guess the conspiracists just ignore the left side of the map altogether. Easier than explaining!
You need these cool intros and title cards with music. This style hits the right spot in the brain.
i know a lot of conspiracy theories cherry pick a lot. but this one takes the cake.
I absolutely love how you keep in flubs/laughs/swears/etc. It makes this feel more raw and entertaining. And your childhood map? Glorious. Keep up the good work man.
I recalled seeing a comment on the last video that talked about how they regretted finding this channel so soon and not 3 years later. I think I understand the sentiment now.
2:14 I'd buy that merch if you redesigned your original map into a proper one. that would be hilarious, a nice fancy map with the wet sea.
What makes Miniminuteman perfect at this is his imperfection.