I worked for Mrs. Nixon in the early 1980s, as a 20 year old exchange student from California. She was a delightful, generous, and adventurous spirit, who took me under her wing. I adored her so much, and her lovely name, that I named my daughter after her. My daughter was born on January 30, the same date that Roberts was arrested for her murder. The show was interesting, but I wish that it had portrayed her more as a human being. RIP, Mrs. Nixon.
That is a beautiful tribute to her. God bless you and your family. I am American and I have just found this show today on TH-cam. I am happy that they had the correct killer.
Wow! great story! Terrible what happened to her. Lovely tribute. I knew a Bronwen growing up in America, NY. Too old to be your daughter. Beautiful name.
On 4th June 2023, Roberts was denied parole. As of now, he is still in prison. His minimum term was set at 22-years, which expired in 2008, so it seems he is still too dangerous to be let out.
His parole was denied for a 9th time in March 2023. Still deemed too dangerous for release even though he is in a reduced security facility. His next hearing is in 2025
Cat bs are being housed in CAT C jails now ( 2024) Cat D is Full in fact they are letting tem go home during the day & Cat A is festooned with nonces murderers & "Terrorists" hope this tosser never sees the light of day
Brilliant series this. Real quality. Like has been said, no silly music, no corny close ups of actors staring at the camera. This is a class programme.
*thunder, rain and lightning* STURM UND DRANG!!!! Could evil have visited the Lake District?! ///advert break////Full summary of the entire case in case you just tuned in
Amazing how effective and powerful this programme was devoid of all the loud music, melodrama, overplaying and constant duplication of facts of today’s efforts... “less is more” as the old adage goes... I thoroughly enjoyed it...
As a Gerrman, this uploads [beside the sad events being portrayed] are so impressing and helpful. They not only do help me that much to improve my skills in speaking and understanding the english language, they are even helpful to have an insight into british culture, police work and much more. There are so many similarities to Germany in the same time frame. Makes me even more sad about the - in my view - pointless Brexit. Anyway..... let´s all stay friends. And many thanks for your work to upload this interesting treasures.
Do you remember one involving a murder and a security guard? Girl last seen talking to a security guard..they had the actual guard take part in the reconstruction and turned out to be him that done it..
Another excellent offering from Crimewatch. Does anyone else notice the slower pace in both speech and thought processes? Far more effective in building a scene but more about the times which were less frenzied . Really looking forward to watching more of these
I love watching these shows 30 -40 years after they aired, especially if in the prevailing years they have been done over again and again. But seeing the original perspective bring it all into focus. thanks
At 10.45, policeman says, 'The last person to see the victim alive is very often responsible.' NO NO NO. The last person to see the victim alive is ALWAYS responsible. But that doesn't mean that the person you THINK was the last person to see the victim alive, actually was. It could well be someone else that they haven't yet found. Elementary my Dear Watson.
You are wrong and the detective might be correct...If you come upon a victim of an assault and he is alive but, dies as you stand there, YOU are the last person to see him alive!,but not the killer....
The actor playing David Wynne Roberts would have made a brilliant lead role in the Bohemian Rhapsody movie as Freddy Mercury,and his acting is fantastic also.
One of the best things to keep in mind having been abused by a narcissistic psychopath is that they recquire constant,powerful stimulation in their emotionally crippled,dull brains.Prison would be horrible for this,brilliant.
@@oliprj8676 Loved the comedy with the cop asking him if he remembered a bushy tache & the guy saying they get loads of those in there-that look had been made popular in 1979/1980 by the biker dude from Village People & Freddie Mercury.
Hi, actually the mustache became popular amongst gay men in the early 1970s largely because of gold medalist Olympic swimmer Mark Spitz in the 1972 Olympics.
An excellent production/re-enactment of a brutal crime. I'm delighted to have recently found this channel. I've only watched 3 episodes so far and I am impressed by the close resemblance of the actor to the perpetrator; this is one of the many aspects which I find excellent about this series. THANK YOU redcard74 !!
I remember this CW file very well from 1990. The inadequate killer , the murdered hotel owner & the Blackpool nightclub. Poor mrs Nixon , died for nothing.
I luv watching the British crime shows and even tho these are old cases their all new to me I'm from Columbus Ohio in the states. Thanks so much for taking the time to DL these great videos for us! I've watched crimewatch the other show but I luv this show. Hope everyone has a blessed day
Don't remember these from when they were originally shown- hadn't even heard of the title, so I'm really enjoying these episodes. Thank you. As with countless viewers, I too, so appreciate the lack of suspense music and 'crime-watch-daily-USA-esqe puns ( "victim had been to the barbers, but sadly, his hair wasn't the only thing to be cut short that fateful day" ...that was yesterday's gem!
Do the British EVER get excited? 😁 Very good documentary! So quiet. The dude acting as the guilty dude was freaky but did an excellent job. Thanks for posting! 😷✌
We aren't very woohoo about life generally 😁( from someone who works with 6 nationalities all new to the UK & finds the culture differences fascinating ).
Hi im new to the Channel i have hit the bell and liked the video.Greetings from Ireland.Over here in Ireland we get BBC also.I used to watch Crime watch it was an excellent programme.I did not realise it had ended in 2017 such a pitty.My heart goes out to all the famlies whos loved ones were murderd by vile people.May they RIP😥
Noted an interesting anachronism - they clearly recreated the 'behind the scenes' aspect of when they aired Roberts' face on the January 1986 Crimewatch for this Crimewatch File, as Sue Cook is seen in her 1990 hairstyle, and you can see Jacqui Hames (who didn't join the show until early 1990) in the background with David Hatcher at 27:26.
The actor who plays David Wynne Roberts is superb. Don't understand why he only did this. I shouldn't joke due to the tragic subject matter, but the scene at the gay bar is hilarious.
He got a whole life tariff for this one and will die in custody. The programme didn't really make that clear at the end and it's obvious from some comments here many don't realise that he will never be released.
@@johndearden7931 As others have said it's a difficult one with youths. Do you condemn a 14 year old to spending the rest of their days in prison, or do you try and find the root cause of their anger and give them one more chance. I have a 14 year-old daughter, she's just a baby really. I can't imagine her going to prison for life.
@@Wally-H I fully understand what you are saying. I think 80% of us are capable of killing someone in certain circumstances. Each case has to be looked at but in this one I think he should have got longer the first time. PS. Right now I am writing a book and screenplay about a serial killer.
I was 9 years old when i saw this and likely my parents let me stay up. Gave me nightmares for weeks. I've never forgotten about it. Thank you for publishing it. I can now seek some closure. It was the car scene. Eugh.
The last person to see someone alive is nearly always the murderer unless poison is involved. It's very different from the last known person to see someone alive.
hlat9318, mustaches became popular in the early 1970s amongst gay men in large part because of U.S. swimmer Mark Spitz at the 1972 Olympics who became a popular sex symbol.
@@Nixter1974007 22 year minimum I think which expired some time ago but his parole requests, latest one this year, have been denied. He’s in an open prison apparently.
Even after moving back to his dad's house, that Andrew guy still wanted David hanging around the place by saying there was a place at his boss's house.
He looks like John oats who plays the guitar in the 80s pop song which goes like this >>Watch out boy she'll chew you up (Oh here she comes) She's a maneater (Oh here she comes)… Ha ha ha ha ha
this guy is the worst of the worst he seems to blame everyone else but himself why did they release he is a very dangerous men why she was an innocent victim so very sad
I worked for Mrs. Nixon in the early 1980s, as a 20 year old exchange student from California. She was a delightful, generous, and adventurous spirit, who took me under her wing. I adored her so much, and her lovely name, that I named my daughter after her. My daughter was born on January 30, the same date that Roberts was arrested for her murder. The show was interesting, but I wish that it had portrayed her more as a human being. RIP, Mrs. Nixon.
What a wonderful place to be an exchange student. Sorry to hear the story.
That is a beautiful tribute to her. God bless you and your family. I am American and I have just found this show today on TH-cam. I am happy that they had the correct killer.
Hm
@Joshua Ulises Awesome!!!!
Wow! great story! Terrible what happened to her. Lovely tribute. I knew a Bronwen growing up in America, NY. Too old to be your daughter. Beautiful name.
On 4th June 2023, Roberts was denied parole. As of now, he is still in prison. His minimum term was set at 22-years, which expired in 2008, so it seems he is still too dangerous to be let out.
Good. Throw away the key. Murderous mug. Bless. Good to know.
Good
He has to wait until 2025 for his next parole hearing, which will be his tenth.
I must admit Nick Ross and Sue Cook were top class presenters. I have watched all of the Crimewatch programmes of the era
His parole was denied for a 9th time in March 2023. Still deemed too dangerous for release even though he is in a reduced security facility. His next hearing is in 2025
Cat bs are being housed in CAT C jails now ( 2024) Cat D is Full in fact they are letting tem go home during the day & Cat A is festooned with nonces murderers & "Terrorists"
hope this tosser never sees the light of day
'In the vast majority of murders the last person to see the victim alive is very often responsible'. Absolutely stunning powers of deduction.
Yup. Because obviously, the victim can be seen alive several times after the murder..........
@@tessgregory987 It makes you wonder just how many people we see each day are actually dead!!! Probably more than we think.......
Lol
Unless the victim survives for a short time, and the perpetrator leaves the scene
Remember this was 30 years ago. All the analytic , psych & profiling stuff was new fangled. I loved this show back then. 😁
Brilliant series this. Real quality. Like has been said, no silly music, no corny close ups of actors staring at the camera. This is a class programme.
*thunder, rain and lightning* STURM UND DRANG!!!! Could evil have visited the Lake District?!
///advert break////Full summary of the entire case in case you just tuned in
Amazing how effective and powerful this programme was devoid of all the loud music, melodrama, overplaying and constant duplication of facts of today’s efforts... “less is more” as the old adage goes... I thoroughly enjoyed it...
Absolutely correct.
And repeating what's happening all the way through. Best one I've seen.
@@stevechristie2569 spot on my friend. So annoying.
So nice not to have an intrusive soundtrack constantly trying to force emotional responses on you. Wish there were more of that.
Yes, totally agree, silence is underrated in modern TV and Film.
That's because its not a bells & whistles , overdramatized , conceited , pretentious , shallow yank shit
mtilford, absolutely agree. It’s great to see there are others who find that intrusive and annoying.
Well said, completely agree with your comment.
@@wayneandrews9298 are w22tats
I love how the programme begins with nick ross rather then opening credits. British Tv used to be so gritty and struck the right tone..
Yes, agree completely.
Spot on. Comparing it with the dross today makes me sad 😟
Definitely, luckily we have youtube so we can revisit classic programs like Minder, Sweeney and of course crime watch 😀
Nick Ross and sue cook are legends. Didn’t like any of the others.
@@TheBlackcular Programmes!!
As a Gerrman, this uploads [beside the sad events being portrayed] are so impressing and helpful. They not only do help me that much to improve my skills in speaking and understanding the english language, they are even helpful to have an insight into british culture, police work and much more. There are so many similarities to Germany in the same time frame.
Makes me even more sad about the - in my view - pointless Brexit. Anyway..... let´s all stay friends.
And many thanks for your work to upload this interesting treasures.
This is the best British Crime programme. Slow steady and no loud music. Nothing gruesome , just a thorough investigation. From Wales In Britain.👋
Here, here! Krish, England...in Britain!
I'm pleased you like the programme Kevin. Sorry about Brexit.
Miss working in Europe. Both great nations.
Greetings to Germany! 👍 🇩🇪 🇬🇧. As nations, we share a lot of thing in common. Thanks for Pilsner and Christmas trees! Two of my favourite things.
The actor is brilliant
There has been so many really good unknown actors on Crimewatch over the years
He really was good, never blinked they used real actors you could tell ..he was scary but funny lol how did he not blink though?!
A touch of the Daniel Day Lewis about him...
That lad who played the guy who had ONS with him was a quality actor
Do you remember one involving a murder and a security guard? Girl last seen talking to a security guard..they had the actual guard take part in the reconstruction and turned out to be him that done it..
@@boredweegie553 which one is that please tell me interested in finding it to view.
"we get quite a few people with bushy ' taches through the week, especially at weekends" lol
Heee , heeee :-D
'' There's nothing to be embarrassed about, ARE you a homosexual?''
I thought exactly the same thing 🤣🤣🤣
synchronicity...........i read this comment word for word as they were speaking it. Hope i have a good day. And you too!
"Look we're all men of the world"
Another excellent offering from Crimewatch. Does anyone else notice the slower pace in both speech and thought processes? Far more effective in building a scene but more about the times which were less frenzied . Really looking forward to watching more of these
Like slower driving then as compared to now-all is fast fast fast now! Thanks
It leaves the American shows for dead.
I love watching these shows 30 -40 years after they aired, especially if in the prevailing years they have been done over again and again. But seeing the original perspective bring it all into focus. thanks
thank you
At 10.45, policeman says, 'The last person to see the victim alive is very often responsible.' NO NO NO. The last person to see the victim alive is ALWAYS responsible. But that doesn't mean that the person you THINK was the last person to see the victim alive, actually was. It could well be someone else that they haven't yet found. Elementary my Dear Watson.
Ha, I hadn't thought about it like that but yes quite right 🙄
You are wrong and the detective might be correct...If you come upon a victim of an assault and he is alive but, dies as you stand there, YOU are the last person to see him alive!,but not the killer....
@@colfer222 correct. Common sense prevails!!
1) This show has to come back!
2) The actors did phenomenal.
The actor playing David Wynne Roberts would have made a brilliant lead role in the Bohemian Rhapsody movie as Freddy Mercury,and his acting is fantastic also.
I tried to Google him (credits name him as Brett Dalton), but couldn't find anything...
@@butterflyreflections Yeah I did too, it brings up another actor with the same name
Except he's the wrong height, has piercing blue eyes and no overbite so not really.
One of the best things to keep in mind having been abused by a narcissistic psychopath is that they recquire constant,powerful stimulation in their emotionally crippled,dull brains.Prison would be horrible for this,brilliant.
Let’s hope so, poor innocent lady.
Brilliant acting by Brett
This is the best crimewatch file I've seen
Thank you
@@senecaknowledge2274 😂
That actor is really creepy looking-looks like the actual killer as well.
Not sure what's scariest, his eyes or his moustache
@@oliprj8676 Loved the comedy with the cop asking him if he remembered a bushy tache & the guy saying they get loads of those in there-that look had been made popular in 1979/1980 by the biker dude from Village People & Freddie Mercury.
I thought he looked like timothy Dalton and his surname is Dalton?
@@davidwacko6623 Ha ha ha ha...I bet that would sting. His upper lip would be all red.
Hi, actually the mustache became popular amongst gay men in the early 1970s largely because of gold medalist Olympic swimmer Mark Spitz in the 1972 Olympics.
An excellent production/re-enactment of a brutal crime. I'm delighted to have recently found this channel. I've only watched 3 episodes so far and I am impressed by the close resemblance of the actor to the perpetrator; this is one of the many aspects which I find excellent about this series.
THANK YOU redcard74 !!
I remember this CW file very well from 1990. The inadequate killer , the murdered hotel owner & the Blackpool nightclub. Poor mrs Nixon , died for nothing.
I luv watching the British crime shows and even tho these are old cases their all new to me I'm from Columbus Ohio in the states. Thanks so much for taking the time to DL these great videos for us! I've watched crimewatch the other show but I luv this show. Hope everyone has a blessed day
Canadian in southwestern Mexico. Ditto.
Thanks redcard I’ve been trying to find this episode for ages I remember when it was 1st broadcast on bbc1
Its good to see forensics has come a long way since sellotape on the flock wallpaper..
spain B, in fact, that is still how evidence is gathered. It’s very effective. What method do you think has replaced it?
still sellotape
Don't remember these from when they were originally shown- hadn't even heard of the title, so I'm really enjoying these episodes. Thank you. As with countless viewers, I too, so appreciate the lack of suspense music and 'crime-watch-daily-USA-esqe puns ( "victim had been to the barbers, but sadly, his hair wasn't the only thing to be cut short that fateful day" ...that was yesterday's gem!
I never thought I'd see this again. Thanks for uploading
Do the British EVER get excited? 😁 Very good documentary! So quiet. The dude acting as the guilty dude was freaky but did an excellent job.
Thanks for posting! 😷✌
South Wales Valleys, yeah we get excited, you'll know everything about our lives in 5 minutes. 😂
We aren't very woohoo about life generally 😁( from someone who works with 6 nationalities all new to the UK & finds the culture differences fascinating ).
Only when our backs are against the wall . Then we fight till the last man .
Life in prison... and that's just for the moustache..
soulbrother61 It’s moos-stosh! Lol
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂
That’s funny
Brett Dalton was an excellent choice to play Roberts……those eyes are just as piecing as Roberts!
💔R.I.P. BRONWEN💔
Hi im new to the Channel i have hit the bell and liked the video.Greetings from Ireland.Over here in Ireland we get BBC also.I used to watch Crime watch it was an excellent programme.I did not realise it had ended in 2017 such a pitty.My heart goes out to all the famlies whos loved ones were murderd by vile people.May they RIP😥
Workrate is going on mad! Thank you once again for all these uploads 👏🏾
Lock up the actor also.
he looked too guilty.
😂😂
Lol .
Ya hes more scary than the killer lol
Looks like Tony Ferrino.
@@oliverrimes9057or Daryll Hall from Hall and Oates
This program was the state of the art when I was a teenager - that makes me very old.
Noted an interesting anachronism - they clearly recreated the 'behind the scenes' aspect of when they aired Roberts' face on the January 1986 Crimewatch for this Crimewatch File, as Sue Cook is seen in her 1990 hairstyle, and you can see Jacqui Hames (who didn't join the show until early 1990) in the background with David Hatcher at 27:26.
The actor who plays David Wynne Roberts is superb. Don't understand why he only did this. I shouldn't joke due to the tragic subject matter, but the scene at the gay bar is hilarious.
Brett Dalton is an extremely good actor.
Like a French muskateer
Can’t believe he’s not appeared in anything other than this
When you're a suspect in a loved ones murder and you're innocent can't be a good feeling.
Yes, it must be horrible. I can imagine trying to accept that they're just doing their job but it must be distressing.
Brings back memories in the 80s
Best times😊
Thanks for the upload greetings from Costa Rica 😎
BBC should do these Crimewatch files on all the unsolved murders too. Not just the solved ones.
He only 7 years detention for the first murder. Our justice system sucks
John Dearden, you can only keep children imprisoned until they become adults at age 21. In this case that was seven years.
He got a whole life tariff for this one and will die in custody. The programme didn't really make that clear at the end and it's obvious from some comments here many don't realise that he will never be released.
@@Wally-H So you think that he should have been released the first time?
@@johndearden7931 As others have said it's a difficult one with youths. Do you condemn a 14 year old to spending the rest of their days in prison, or do you try and find the root cause of their anger and give them one more chance. I have a 14 year-old daughter, she's just a baby really. I can't imagine her going to prison for life.
@@Wally-H I fully understand what you are saying. I think 80% of us are capable of killing someone in certain circumstances. Each case has to be looked at but in this one I think he should have got longer the first time. PS. Right now I am writing a book and screenplay about a serial killer.
These are fantastic docs it’s a pity the BBC stopped them!
Impressive deductions, thank you.
Thank you for sharing! 😊
These old crime watch files are great. Really chilling
Nick Ross the commentator is excellent !!!
It's a shame that Crimewatch isn't on every week still.
Was monthly now weekly
yes - hit and run murder near me still clueless after 6+months but wasn't in the news beyond the local area. someones gone home with panel damage.
These are good videos. I just subscribed.
Asking the member of the public 'Are you a homosexual'.... Cor blimey, wonder do they ever ask 'are you straight'.
Should have been arrested just for that tash!
"Over five-hundred members..."
Giggity...
André LeFae Linoge 😂
The wankers who let this killer walk free after the first murder are directly responsible for the second murder and should be charged accordingly...
Indirectly.
He was only 14 yrs old at the time of the first murder - had he been an adult I would have agreed with you.
I was 9 years old when i saw this and likely my parents let me stay up. Gave me nightmares for weeks.
I've never forgotten about it.
Thank you for publishing it. I can now seek some closure.
It was the car scene. Eugh.
That was awesome!!!
Thanks for the uploads! Anymore CW files coming out?
Thanks Redcard.
That actor was scarier than the real killer!
Timothy Dalton....Without a mustache and the strange long hair and a nice smile, he looks pretty normal....in fact quite good looking
Lol at those coppers in the gay club!
ITS LIKE THOSE TWO LOONEY BROTHERS IN THE MOVIE
POLICE ACADEMY 1 WHEN THEY ENTER THE BLUE OYSTER BAR🤣😂😆
Dunno what you mean, I thought they blended in to the point they almost merged with the scenery ;)
Must of been bent coppers
@@runlarryrun77 LOL stop! teehee I can't ! hilarious
@Steve Hoyland shurrup Steve...while I'm laughing...
I’d love to see more. Behind the scenes crimewatch footage
The last person to see someone alive is nearly always the murderer unless poison is involved. It's very different from the last known person to see someone alive.
Cracking work Redcard
The accused certainly had a point when he said he was unwilling to go on an identity parade because his face had been on Crimewatch.
21:18 "Are you yourself a homosexual?"
"Has there been an accident or something?"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Yes, it's only that we've found something bent and we're wondering if it's you or this piece of lead piping."
Why would that be relevant to the crime?
Lovin these
Love the police work old fashioned hands on hands
Really British police are the best 👍🙏🙏
I really shouldn’t watch this late at night it’s a bad idea Xx
Andrew is starting to look like his friend, sporting the same mustache 😂
How on earth did that actor perfect the not blinking? That is one creepy stare. I wonder if he went on with acting?
I don't have time to watch this tonight but the case is also covered in a Crimewatch audio also on YT iirc. I remember it from about 4 years ago.
My life goal is to grow a mustache like that
😂😂😂 Godspeed
wow this is great
The guy playing the killer is creepier than Hell, imo!! He doesn’t BLINK!!
Dudes a Freddie Mercury tribute act!
I always did have my suspicions about Jason King!
Released 2008 - a man who's murdered twice
No -- Wynne-Roberts received an order for permanent incarceration, and will die in prison.
@@lanialost1320
Why do people give misinformation?
Thanks for correcting.
@@lanialost1320 they ain’t the only person who has commented this though
The actor playing Roberts so creepy. I could hardly watch the interview.
It’s not easy to get evidence it all hinged on the scarf 🧣thank goodness they got it
The gay club is hilarious! Great programme altogether.
I saw some pretty bad dancing that could be considered a crime. Lol.
@@laurallama73 u r freaking bad...hahaga
Filmed actually in Ibiza
Those detectives should’ve dressed gayer. They stood out like a couples of minges in there.
Looked better than most nightclubs I've been to tbf haha
This is the oddest episode of Chucklevision ever made.
He looks like the e fit of the Jean Bradley murder, a case also on crime watch, but with a moustache …
Brett the actor was stunning
When the murderer first spoke about his bus ticket, I thought he sounds like Martin clunes
The actor who played the killer was excellent
Wow. Did he ever get out. I hope not.
What is it with the 80s and taches looks like a Freddie Mercury lookalike competition 😂😂
hlat9318, mustaches became popular in the early 1970s amongst gay men in large part because of U.S. swimmer Mark Spitz at the 1972 Olympics who became a popular sex symbol.
Tom Selleck started it
I was there. Women/Bug hair. Men/Mustaches.
@@inkyguy was not just gay men - they were in fashion.
I don´t know who the actors are, as the acting is so good!
Great acting
Thanks redcard74
There are some very very sick people out there who killed the elderly when they know they can't defend theirself
'themselves' Lol
Evil man should never be released.
Wynne-Roberts received an order for permanent incarceration, and will die in prison.
@@lanialost1320 few people on here said he was released in 2008?
@@Nixter1974007no, still inside as of 2023.
@@Bungle-UK wonder if it's a whole life tariff he got. Evil fiend.
@@Nixter1974007 22 year minimum I think which expired some time ago but his parole requests, latest one this year, have been denied. He’s in an open prison apparently.
Even after moving back to his dad's house, that Andrew guy still wanted David hanging around the place by saying there was a place at his boss's house.
Imagine looking for a poof with big tach in the 80's :D haha
Brett Dalton must be related to Timothy Dalton/.
😂
Great!
He looks like John oats who plays the guitar in the 80s pop song which goes like this >>Watch out boy she'll chew you up
(Oh here she comes)
She's a maneater
(Oh here she comes)…
Ha ha ha ha ha
Hall and Oates. Yes. Still listen to One on One.
No no no
this guy is the worst of the worst he seems to blame everyone else but himself why did they release he is a very dangerous men why she was an innocent victim so very sad
Where they picked that stuff up from did you see the red top in the wardrobe in the top of the wardrobe
Shoulda got 10 year consecutive for that moustache 🙈