Which was the best Italian coupe ?
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- A lot of talk about the Alfa Romeo Gtv and the fiat coupe.
But what was the best car ?
We compare both and talk about the pros and cons and what we think was the better car.
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You are mean to Tony... he loves his car more than he loves his daughters 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 we love him really 🥰
I must have read 20 tests between those in the day… The Fiat actually won everytime.
Still got all the mags!
I have owned both, I had a yellow 20vt when I was 21 and was a incredible, incredible car, the engine sounds like a baby v10 and there punch from that turbo is soooo intoxicating, I have a 3.0 GTV currently and I’m in love with it, such a playful engine and glorious in its nature.
I honestly couldn’t pick between the two
lmao so a v3?
@@PazLeBon ah yes, 10 divided in half is 3...
@@Zentrify you lost me, you must have changed something haha
@@PazLeBon ? What
Coupe is a straight 5 cylinder
GTV ❤ just because of the engine, the Busso is something special.
When they were new I found the Alfa better looking (just) but now the Fiat is miles better looking.
It's quite unique too and the extra practicality is useful a family could drive to Italy in it.
I love Tony’s passion.
It reminds me myself years ago, when nothing was wrong with my car I still could find something to break and repair 😅😅. Just add personal touch.
😂😂😂
Don't forget the rear boot & rear seat is compromised on the GTV due to it having way more sophisticated rear suspension, hence the sharper chassis ie multilink with passive rear steering. So GTV should get get an extra point for that. For me the GTV wins, mainly because ie own a 916 TS Spider + nothing sounds like a V6 Busso at full throttle.
all rotary owners disagree :)
Coupe every time!
Poor Tony, he was raging 😂
😂
I've owned both , it's the Alfa all the way for me. Busso , Pininfarina and Alfa Romeo all in one car. Where as the coupe , whilst having a great engine doesn't have the same classic lines. I think Chris Bangle ruined it with those slashes.
P.S my GTV Busso had wizard manifolds and a Larini exhaust, it sounded incredible, in addition I had a Quaife, GTA clutch and lightened flywheel ( got fid of stock dmf ) and Koni and Eibach combo ( lowered by 20mm ) also aero and front splitter.
One of my favourite videos, such a great prank on tony! 😂 luv to see it! Seen it before but also makes me laugh.
Who's the girlie does she work with you guys
Haven’t owned both but use to sell both when they were brand new. I’m 51% GTV to 49% Coupe
i am lucky to have one of the last 15 built thema wagons with the 3 litre v6 busso..i also have an LE 20v coupe lovethem both,,great video guys..greetings from Sydney Australia
Thank you 😊
I’ve had both at the same time until 4 months ago when I sold the gtv v6 as I wasn’t using it because I bought a Alfa gt 3.2 last year.
My coupe 20vt has yellow konis, lowering springs, whiteline arb’s, hybrid turbo, sports cat, evo fmic, k&n and flea remap.
But my youngest is 16 now so coupe is more usable for me.
But do miss the gtv v6 and had only done 2000 miles in it over 5 years.
We have 2 156 Gta’s, gt 3.2 and a 155 with a 3.0 in it
The gtv still wins for me
Wow! That's a dream garage
Nice collection you have there ...👍
Tiše ti závidím......a gratuluji. Ještě koně z Maranela , Trojzubce a máš komplet, celý ten nádherný Italský sen benzínové oparu pohromadě !! Ať se daří.
Both beautiful. One of each for me.
My first brand new car in Nov 1997 was a fiat Coupe 20v Turbo in Red.
Absolutely loved it to bits!
Had owned a few BMWs 323i, 325i and 525i prior to to the Fiat.
Had to do a back to back test bw a used E36 M3 & a new Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo (same price) to decide which to buy
The M3 picked up quicker from the bottom end and hit harder in the last 1,500 revs but the Fiat owned the mid range.
The acceleration of the M3 was linear and not hugely exciting whilst the turbo rush of the coupe with the ‘push from the giant hand on the back’ sensation was much more enjoyable for me
The deep off beat warble of the 5 cylinder coupe coupled with the turbo whistle was much more enjoyable to me than the nice 6 cylinder sound (had already owned 3 x 6 cylinder engined cars over 6 yrs so was not phased by it)
The unique one off look of the coupe inside and outside vs the ubiquitous nature of the M3 was what finally did it for me!
Absolutely loved it to death!
Only downside was its consumption of front Pirelli P Zero tyres every 5,000 miles…😅😅
I briefly considered the GTV V6 but its lack of practicality at the back and boot wrote it off completely. It was also non turbo so could not offer me the turbo rush sensation of the Fiat
Still miss it to date
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@@mikemk2573 Mille Grazie
Brilliant content as usual, love the quick tease of the arm rest. Apart from the engine bay looking like a dismembered Spider-Man, I think I’d go for the coupe, I love the styling of it except the rear.
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Fiat Coupé 20vt plus in yellow with 18” wheels and lowering springs is just 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻 Never really cared much for the gtv design. Chris Bangle did an excellent job on the Fiat coupe.
Can argue with the sound of the V6 tho, pure music!
I had an SW20 rev 3 which was the best one. 174bhp. Revved to 7250.
I fitted a janspeed 3.5' backbox exhaust and a sports cat and K+N cone filter.
Result was an MR2 that felt faster in the higher revs but could no longer pass an MOT. It also spat fire because the ECU couldn't understand why the airflow had changed so much so it injected crazy amounts of fuel.
I got 24mpg on a run on the motorway.
It was 24mpg on a run to single numbers on a fun run on b-roads.
I had a very understanding engineer who was able to finesse my pass once on the MOT but afterwards I had to remove the K+N.
It was never as much fun after that.
With the original airbox restored it had more low end torque but was much less fun when revving it out. More torque, Less High end power.
It's a trade off and the MOT does not let you make it.
Once a year at least. 🙂
MR2 was a great car.
Luv and Peace.
I had an S plate bright yellow 20v Turbo with black leather, I went to the dealers to buy a punto for the first ex missus.
Amazing car, better than a mate of mines 3.0 GTV, only drawback for me was the turning circle.
I know it is a rare beast, the face-lift 3.2 GTV and they can fetch up to 18k in Europe, especially for low mileage examples. These are much quicker than the 3L. Absolutely love my 3.2 it has serious mid range overtaking power, same as 156 GTA. Totally underrated cars, very few 3.2's come up for sale, but we'll worth having. Think any GTV in good condition are great modern classics. Was going to buy a coupe but fell in love with the GTV. However if I had the space would also buy a coupe and a 156 GTA in every colour!!!
It shouldn't be much difference between 3.0 and 3.2 ,think it's only 0.2 to 100 .
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Tony is brilliant get him back for sure!!
Great comparison! And an enjoyable watch, I have a 2001 GTV Busso with a Cybox system, I think this videos going to end up costing me money 😂, after hearing that Wizard system, Off to google I go!
I have to go with the coupe . So much more modification can be done.
I'd go for the Fiat if practicality was really important but the GTV really only had rear seats to get it onto fleet listings. I remember looking at the time and the company car list requirement was 4 seats so you couldn't get a 916 Spider but you could get a GTV; really it's a parcel shelf with seat belts as straps for parcels. Took my dad in the GTV rear seats and after getting out he said he felt like he'd just been born. I now have a Spider to tinker with; luckily my wife doesn't know there's a practical italian coupe I could have had instead.
Love both but I go for the coupe 20v turbo as, I own one in exactly same colour as this one here, portofino blue and love it. The engine bay in mine is not as bright but great to drive and sit in.
Coupe for me but I’m a turbo fan always!😅
GTV all day long. Though the Coupe has aged well, perhaps even looks better from the front.
Just sold the Busso 156 GTA. I’d buy the Fiat. Shockingly. Used. I had the Marea 155 2.0 20v. Loved loved it. The 5Cyl Fiat lump is easily as good as the Busso. I know it isn’t discussed but it is to me.
I had a Marea 2.0 10V Weekend, the non turbo 5 pots sounded lovely
Don't they, actually thought all the 2.0's were 5Cyl 20v's. Didn't know did a 10v also, what was the BHP of the Weekend 2.0? Thanks @@benzinapaul7416
@@zzhughesd my bad, memories going, it was a 20V, I'm confusing it with an early 156 2.4 JTD which was a 10V
@@benzinapaul7416 it’s cool. Saved me a google I’ve had the 2.4 JTD lots of times
Great channel and content GTV for me 😊
Thank you 😊
Love both but playing a Busso on the throttle above 4,500rpm is something the Coupe just can't match for grin factor
Great video! I'm considering a GTV and Coupe to buy next spring and yes, the Busso sound is sublime. Is the coupe 4 pot worth considering and are the parts harder to come by??
Thank you
I love the GTV personally. Loved the prank on Tony, had an audible laugh.
Just the v6 and Wizard seal it for me. There's a reason the GTVs are worth so much more.
Great review, guys: I bought the Busso - but then immediately wished I'd bought the Coupe I'd seen a day earlier - but then I know that if I had I would've always regretted not having bought that Busso engine and noise. You can't win with these two.
Thank you
Coupe all day long. Nicer lines, more practical, and overall better looking
You know me, I’ve got an L.E. But I’d honestly pick the gtv for looks and sound. Poor old Tony, you mean sod. He’s such a character. He reminds me of my late Nonno
☺️
GTV for me. Both cars are lovely, but the “modifications” to the Coupe are just too much and not aesthetically pleasing. Whereas the GTV is just beautiful when you lift that heavy bonnet.
And it sounds epic.
I have an early v6 Spider in LhD that sounds epic with its custom exhaust - the early 12valvers have a different tone to the later 24 valves.
2 great italian coupes but for the visuals and soundtrack alone it's the Alfa for me.
I had a Fiat coupe running 400+ bhp. every time I went for a blast something would break. Sold it and regretted selling it. I hated it but loved it at the same time. If that makes sense.
I prefer Coupe's looks and handling. GTV feels heavier. Though, can't argue with the noise the v6 busso makes.
I was looking for a coupe for months, eventually had to travel to see some cars, checked a Coupe and the next day a GT Busso. I bought the GT, the sound is amazing, the coupe was underwhelming compared although normal with a turbo restricting the noise. If / when I can justify it perhaps I will also buy a Coupe though too!
I always thought (and still do), that the Alfa was a fantastic looking car, great engine, stylish interior and seats, just the perfect coupe shape.
Unfortunately, the engine is a bit of a boat anchor, and it makes the car an understeery and unpredictable handling thing, more of a GT car than sports coupe.
The Fiat I always thought was a strange looking thing, not a nice shape, weird angles, ugly from the front, but is a better handling car.
Neither of them were anywhere near as good as a BMW E36 328i coupe, and that was the car I went for at the time these were popular.
Alfa GT Cup My Personal Fav
Coupe for me, though its probably a bit biased after owning two. They still made a brilliant noise with a decent exhaust/ filter and blowoff valve. Least it could be heard coming around the country roads. That GTV does sound good though.
I like both but the Alfa sounds unreal.
I've been in a 20v Turbo at 155mph (in Mexico).
I used to own a 145 which also sounded incredible.
Also, poor Tony. That was beautifully cruel. Class act lads
🤣🤣🤣
Exhausts on a Busso - missing the point chaps. Induction, induction induction! Alfa interior is OK in black but gorgeous in cream or red. Fiat Coupe interior is inspired.
NB I've had two GTV V6s and a few other cars with c200 bhp. If the Alfa is only 220 horse power then Alfa horses are bigger horses than most.
GTV+COUPE= ♥️
Never owned either and they are both amazing cars. I'd probably go for the Alfa. NA v6 is gonna sound great and the GTV looks amazing.
So does the Coupe but a turbo 5 is a quirky and new engine and that means unreliable.
The fiat looks great and was designed by the guy heading up BMW design when they made my Z4. I'm a big Bangle fan.
My worry is rust and reliability.
The Alfa edges it.
Luv and Peace.
Love both but really feel the coupe has the upper hand but only in LE trim, Alfa does win on the noise front tho
I think you could have added the third Italian coupe.. Pininfarina 406 coupe, with the early V6..
I choose the GTV but only because I'm biased and I have it in the garage, even if not with the 3.0 v6 24 but with the 2.0 v6 tb 12v with free exhaust and pop off with external vent ❤️
I have the v6 turbo too. if well maintained and overboost works correctly in real life it's faster than the 3.0 v6. the 3.2 v6 is on an other planet, of course.
@@luigigenoni5944 When it works, you said very well. 🤣
The purple baby 💜 xx
As a weekend car - Alfa GTV
They are both good looking cars but there is something more distinct about the Alfa. Both look sporty but the Alfa has an extra level of elegance to it for such a low cost car. It could equally be driven by someone young or old, without looking out of place.
ALFA all the way! Looks + Busso!
I love the Vaggazle!!!!
I like the coupe but its the alfa for me
gtv v6 for me . got one in black with red leather.
Both are great looking cars but I am biased I’ve got Red Gtv 3.2 💪
I love both but the GTV wins for me. I’m biased as I’ve owned two and I know it has so many cons but I look past them as with this sort of the car the main thing for me is how they look being one of the biggest factors.
GTV, always!
I vote for the coupe!!
f**k the coupe....alfa romeo gtv 16v integrale wouls be amazing ...havent driven a v6...had 2 previous t-sparks and feel at one with it...cornering is epic for a 90`s motor....with the fiat coupe....i sort of want to like it and if the gtv was never a thing maybe but then ive had 3 alfa 33`s and they are amazing fun especially in the wet....great video lads....would love to see a drag race between the 2 in standard form.
Brilliant upload, I just love how much Tony loves his car. I'd love the 5 cylinder coupe experience, I have a V6 166 but it's auto which is a minus, it is a mint JDM import though.
I vote for the Coupé ❤️
Just about to buy - and I still dont know which :-(
Tough one
GTV of course but with the 3.2 V6. I have one of these with a few mods, its brilliant to drive and still very beautiful design. Interiors are far superior than the Fiat and the handling too....and with the 3.2 you have an engine that actually performs very well.
Brake fluid tank fluid should be green / colorless (identifies as white) / green 😅 4:24
Fiat Coupe
I have a lovely 1997 20V Turbo
Busso is nice. But 5 cylinder and stu tu tu is nicer
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If this was ulez compatible I'd be on it.
Coupe still looks modern today I think , gtv hasn't aged so well, coupe all the way for me
The fiat is a nice looking car but I think you have to give it to the gtv it's a stunner.
i owned 2 fiat coupe T20 i want to have one again , lucky englis people it's so cheap in England and expensive in France
Both cars are great, both cars have amazing front ends but I'm not the biggest fan of the rear of Fiat, so in terms of looks Alfa wins for me, but the driving is most important part and I haven't driven any of them (yet) so I cannot decide hahah
😂 ha ha
Gtv all the way!👍🏼👍🏼
The Alfa, the Fiat looks like a Ford Puma based kit car in comparison wicked engine tho but the Alfa is more premium.
"Last time I bring my car here too" so funny hahaha you guys are wrong. 😂
Make the bottle aluminium and do it in body colour. I think anything else would clash
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The gtv with the 2.0 v6 turbo is best . Dont know whether any were exported.
Acura Integra vs Mercury Couger... cool cool cool
If you want to have an easily tuned Busso search for a LHD only 2.0 V6 TB, only downside is the Turbo does kill the sound of the V6 a touch
Two different cars, really, I’d go for the Coupé because I like modding
I thought it was great 👍
I have an Alfa Romeo GT 2.0 JTS, shocking terrible engine. Would a Fiat 16v Turbo or 20v Turbo be a straight forward swap? Or can the JTS be improved to make say 240 bhp without fearing its going to break?
I hate them engines.
@@autosportivobedford Quick question, does your workshop take on engine swaps?
both...both? Both is good.
Alfa one love!
Would love a 20v turbo but several ex owners have told me tales of woe of unreliability.
Not true. We have a daily with 222,000k on clock
Coup please.
Back in Portugal, we had a 2.0 V6 turbo (205cv). I'm biased but I think that's the best engine for the gtv because it's not as heavy. In 2012 I bought one, navy blue, 16inch wheels (the best for the gtv in my biased opinion), 20k kilometers on the clock (the car was from 99). One year later, it got stolen 😢 I hope the thief had a good time ... anyway, this didn't really make a contribution to the debate 😅
😅😅👍🏻 thanks for sharing
Alfa gtv all the time the coupe is one awesome car 🚗 but there's nothing on earth like an alfa romeo
Gtv for me ❤but not a fan of the wizard too
Raspy for me
The Alfa GTV would have been a world beater if it was rear wheel drive.
With a diff.
Why did they make it front wheel drive?
Luv and Peace.
that fiat is mint
Coupe
IMO the GTV looks sooo much better from every angle but i still like the Fiat
I have a Fiat Coupe 20VT , had it many years now , and comparing to the GTV V6 , my take is this : GTV V6 ~ PRO'S = nice looking , nice v6 , supposedly handle's better , and that is it....CONS = Interior space terrible ( 2 seater really ) , tiny boot , n/a V6 220 / 3.2 237 hp ( expensive to mod ) , would get a beating from modern 2.0 Diesel's let alone modern performance cars , nowadays a car for cruising.....Coupe 20VT ~ PRO'S = nice looking ( racy look's ) , fabulous 20VT engine ( easy and cheap to extract much more power than stock ) , once tuned the car becomes a monster ( 300 / 400 / 500 / 600 hp ) easily possible , meaning many modern performance cars are toast once rolling. All from a 90's machine. Then we have - four seats , decent boot , good on fuel. I could go on.... CONS : fwd ( which isn't really a negative but , the purist's ).......Overall , looking at the scorecard show's a Comprehensive win for the Coupe IMO. Nice video !
Alfa by far!
ANT!!!!
(Alfa GTV) 😍