I’m pretty confident I have F-Te as my top function as a savior and M-Fi as my last function/demon and also fairly confident I am sleep last. I’ve been watching these videos a ton lately trying to reflect. I’ve gotta stop killing myself and pushing myself so hard for the tribe. I think I’m shedding years off my life at this point 😔
Proud to be on the far blue side... the type that people like but at the same time can never truly be pushed around or changed on the inside, no matter how hard other people may try. Also, I like this spectrum visual, gives good perspective.
Wow, when you described how you cloister yourself off to work on yourself ... reminded me of this kind of detachment that can happen in those situations. I've had to work on it, untangling the knot mentally so that I can make sure my being blindsided doesn't have me miss a step. It really was just a practice of recognizing a need for a moment of personal calm for myself so I can regather my bearings. Otherwise it would be like the social mask shut down and emergency backup kicks in... "what's the next step? what is the pattern? how am I feeling? what needs to happen now? can everything work as good as it needs to? ok let's execute." No discussions with people other than strict protocol. But otherwise I am very attentive to the others and quite deferential. It doesn't matter much to me until it absolutely has to... such a bad habit.
@@mollusckscramp4124 my continued learning is that he had f Te not Fe. It was easy to confuse the two because they both want to be 'nice domestic godesses', but for different reasons.
I find it hard to express my opinions with the tribe and internally I can be quite upset. I wish I was just more pushy! Recently my work tribe have not been filing documents according to procedure. I've been frustrated and upset about that for months! :) :D
@@Monster-wf7bh I've learned more since I made this comment. I hope you too gain confidence. It's more about how and when, than what is said. Keep at it x
hmm, i feel like i’m pretty chill with both the tribe and myself - at least when it comes to pushing actively. but i suppose i am better at pushing other people to achieve things than i am at pushing myself, even if i have Te demon. i guess this dynamic looks different depending on which order your deciders come in (mine are Fi saviour and Te demon, so i guess that even if i do have masculine Te, it looks a lot more ”chill” than masculine Te as a saviour).
I'm totally thrown off on looking at myself with this stuff, because of way too many years being pushed/pushing myself to be someone that I'm not - basically someone the (small, exclusive) tribe can tell who to be in all ways - am I now at 34 learning to not be pushed (Fi) because I'm M-Fi or am I finally just growing a backbone in general and working on my inherent flaws? I'm way too meta about all of it, I can see myself in any way I can convince myself at any given moment. Need to locate some trustworthy friends who are willing to help me type myself I guess. Too bad I only have like 2 friends XD
Great video! I’ve been looking for that bit if understanding with the M/F link to I/E. It seems way more clear that my Masculine functions are Introverted and my Feminine functions are Extroverted... 😎
Hey guys, really love your stuff and enjoy all your vids - so I'm a big fan. I just had this thought and just wanted to share because I think you'll think its funny. Dave looks like Captain America's little brother and Shan looks like an elf from Lord of the Rings... 🤣
You can't have both, it's the coin of one side M and one side F. I initially felt like I was more F with both but I think my demon decider is M. Good luck in your journey of figuring yourself out!
So the extroverted masculine decider will try and decide for others , wile the introverted masculine decider will instead decide for itself, but I have a question what are the feminine versions doing ? Since if they are about being pushed around then if you have it dominant you will be influenced by the demon more and that is what the demon shouldn't be doing from it's position .
I think that the feminine internal decider, like I have (ENTJ Te/Se), will not push on itself without the consent of the tribe (masculine De). For me, I'll go ask people if it's normal how I feel about stuff and if I should act upon it. Even though deep down I know it's best for me to act upon it, I still need that approval from the outside world. For a feminine external decider, I'm not sure but I think it's trusting that the tribe will decide what's good for themselves. For example, someone with masculine Ti, therefore feminine Fe, would list a bunch of reasons why something is not good, then tell the tribe to draw their own conclusions, even though sometimes there's only one conclusion possible.
MM Ne/Fi here, so my Savior Fi is feminine. I find that a lot of the time, Fi is this very _almost_ insecure part of myself, something that I push out hesitantly in interactions and try to find agreement with. If someone says or does something that causes a twinge to my Fi, once I’m pushed, I CAN push back with my Fi in a Savior state. HOWEVER! That’s only in situations where, say, I see someone mistreating someone else so my Fi gets angry on their behalf, steps in, and then afterwards self-analyzes to try and confirm that what I did was right and see how I can be better in the future, etc. In the case that my Fi gets stepped on, insulted, or guilted- usually unintentionally- my masculine Te comes OUT. And it is usually angry. It bursts out to try and defend the Fi that’s been tampered with, and I shower both myself and the other party with logic that comes out as aggressive and pushy. It’s crazy because when I look back, I notice that the Te isn’t really helping the situation at all, since I usually don’t feel any better until I stabilize my Fi again. There are other cases when my feminine Fi will feel so insecure or uncertain that it will wilt and leave me lost to my Te. It happens sometimes when I realize the tribe doesn’t like something I like, or when I realize that a moral value I have conflicts a value of those around me, or when I’m genuinely undecided about how to view something and get so turned around that my Fi is clueless. When Te takes over at times like that, it is NEEDY for validation. Instead of lashing out, it’ll just shatter my self-esteem. I realized lately that at times like those, I often subconsciously try to sneak my Fi insecurity into conversations with other people as jokes in hopes that they’ll be nice and correct me, then voice support my Fi values so that I can feel better again. (And since people can’t read minds, they usually laugh at the seemingly harmless joke and put my Fi down further, which is totally my fault. I need to stop doing that.) For example: Say I have a pair of shoes my mom got me years back, and I’ve taken to them so much that I wear them every day. One day, it comes to my attention that this pair of shoes is, by fashion standards, HIGHLY outdated and out of style. (This didn’t happen, but stuff like it has, and it honestly would again since I pay no attention to trends, haha.) Immediately, there’s a piercing rush of insecurity- the shoes that I Fi love and appreciate are actually looked down upon. I try to laugh it off to myself and continue going about my day. About half an hour later, I see a friend, and we start chatting. Because the shoes are still in the back of my mind, and because they’re still causing humiliation to build up in my stomach, I integrate the topic into conversation via a mildly self-deprecating joke that seems to come out of nowhere. E.g.- “Yeah, the child crying during the office meeting looked almost as out-of-place as these sketchers I’ve been wearing for five years.” -What am I subconsciously expecting? Validation! Some part of me wants my friend to go, “Aw no, your shoes are fine!” I fished for a compliment without even realizing it because I wanted my Fi to feel all better! But guess what? Of course from the way I phrased that, NO ONE would know I spent the last half hour painfully embarrassed about my shoes. So my friend laughs really hard at my joke, which makes me feel infinitely worse. While they’re still laughing (and I’m fake-laughing outwardly to cover the fact I’m wounded) angry Te comes up in my head immediately, thinking furious thoughts like, _Well if you knew my shoes were ugly, why didn’t you tell me? Did you want me to be humiliated?_ or _YOU’RE the one who originally thought that socks and sandals were fun to wear, so you have no right to judge me!_ And it’s all incredibly toxic and unnecessary, especially because I’m not verbally communicating any of it. I’m tryna work on that part of myself. So, yeah. Feminine Fi, rarely standing up for itself and routinely getting itself hurt and then doing it again minutes later
@@cattyping2635 Examples is the problem. He doesn't have any. He's constantly making statements that aren't backed by any facts. But his descriptions of mental processes are very well expressed, hence everyone's willingness to follow him. I personally believe he's got great communication, but terrible arguments. So everything he gets right => Awesome, original point of view ... But ... sometimes he just doesn't give you anything to measure weather he's right or wrong. Only confident statements, and you take it on yourself whether to believe him or not based on how accurate you found him on the spot.
Briefly looked up Greg Plitt and immediately hear a quote from him, "Nobody can help you, you've gotta help yourself-" which is funny since that is exactly the same thing I've been thinking repeatedly for a while now. Seems to me a very masculine trait, since usually it's women who tend to be more co-dependent rather than independent. Also it seems to me that the red side could be easily manipulated. So yeah, I'm talking down to the red side but maybe it's because I don't really see much good about it other than maybe some occasional scenarios.
I have the same natural reaction to the red side. It helped me to learn that being too far on the blue side means nobody around me will actually be helped. The truth is other people need to be pushed sometimes to get going, and if I’m unwilling to do that (my M-Fi) then nothing good will happen for anybody involved.
I can see the conflict and the misidentification. I concur with OP with JP. FM Ne/Ti CPS/B. The exacting nature and precision of his language, particularly communicating the abstract to the concrete accurately and as "simply" as possible. His confidence in the exact phraseology he utilizes in the past also leans more towards the masculine side from my perspective. I believe that I have a similar (novice and developing) type as JP. I was completely floored when he described how he organizes information in an ongoing narrative/theory(Masculine Ne video). I call them my foundational pillars. I believe that this is the dominate FEMININE Ne (Batman if you will) tag teamed auxiliary MASCULINE Ti (Robin...). The process of Ti is doing the brunt of the work and the Ne mental models are less resource dependent and über convenient. I'd love to hear any feedback or thoughts on this matter. 🙏🏽
Like “I don’t bother you on your BS, don’t bother me on mine”. I tend not to do the BS because I’m an INFP, and I’m not doing that SiTe stuff for you (I do it anyways).
Just some feedback from the tribe: I LOVE the addition of this aspect to functions. It's revolutionary. Is there any way we could come up with different terms to use rather than masculine/feminine. The gendering feels unnecessary and distracting since the aspect has nothing to do with gender and more to do with how an energy moves.
Possibly we could use the terms of Assertive for masculine and Turbulent for feminine. I’m aware that 16personalities does this but for a completely different reason 🙄 but in this context I think it works better when defining masculine/feminine functions and could be more self-explanatory
@@claudialuvsu21 yeah good point. i would for sure like to have terms that are more self-explanatory. i think this is also the issue i have with gendering functions in this way because these stereotypical "natures" of genders are rooted in extremely unproductive & outdated concepts of gender expression that really has nothing to do with describing the way energy is being expressed in the functions. I think it would be nice to tie it back to the movement itself which would also make it easier to understand at the same time.
Truly would LOVE to get a discussion going about this and get some outside input (because I have Te) and also because in my own studies I'm working on some alternative terms for this aspect (because I have Fi and it needs to FEEL RIGHT lol).
Whoaa..I share a trait with Dave; Masculine Fi. I can't decide whether my Ne is feminine or masculine, though. Hmmm... 5:48 LOL...All I can see is his eyes looking at the teleprompter as he spews all this Fi stuff. I hate that.
Quick question... How is J Peterson not pushing on others? That's kind of his whole shtick right? Trying to better others and encourage others to be more personally responsible?
@@worldwidehappiness He also strikes me as a naturally feminine person, and I think he even talks about this in either his book or some of his lectures, who through great effort has become more conventionally masculine, in ways like his precise speech, facial hair, and attire. Just food for thought.
He’s pushing on the tribe to be more personally responsible because he’s an introverted decider savior that knows how much pushing on yourself gets you where you need to go. But ultimately the key here is what is he doing more often or what comes first. And he probably wouldn’t be preaching what he does without having experienced and processing it himself.
@@lucasbrown4219 Well, that it comes of as pushing on others is just that He's using is Masculin Ti and is just very verbal about it and explains it. But if you hear closely its just the logic that is masculin, actually the weaker Fe with its ethics is the driver behind him even being so verbal about his logic and teaching others I would say. At least its how I did observe him.
@Cliven Longsight Perfect , it worked ... i understand what you saying , but if you think about it , Fi users can't give you the technical details of how Fi works , because you want it in Ti language or at lest how Ti understand it , in Fi world , explaining things - analyzing it - all linked to Fi system and how it see things - plus i said to my self , they have Te and they should explain how Fi works but again , Te not identity function , just like how Fe can't explain Ti , it only see the surface in it , most likely it will see it as smart - selfish - and maybe rude , that it.. you said interesting thing here : ((It's worth noting that Fi users DO seem to recognize their own contradictions once they HAVE to face them)) , you right i do it all the time , with dom fi friend but it get harder with Enfp's , perhaps because they are making projections from Ne beam on Fi , and it create very complicated paradox that they can't even understand , but Ni Fi , you know exactly whats going to happen , it will create sharp line that going to explain everything in morality world on deep accurate level , there will be less paradox and more accuracy in Fi world , maybe JP really Ni Fi after all because this fit his case ... but just like you said Fi in general they recognize their own contradictions , they sense logic and truth when Ti confront them but it feel to them it's confusing , because they want the truth in Fi world , for example ( the origin of self morality ) , not just that but they want to analyze it by Fi system not Ti not Te !!! very weird ha , very different world that Ti can't see it as how really it is or in better words , can't sense it in any shape or form , it meaningless.. your last part about Ni Ti , always makes me think how painful it is , because Ni give you results without reasons or logic it just jump over it to the goal directly, but because Ti part of you , you can't just ignore it , you want to understand it , this pain in the ass if you ask me , how you manage man , the only thing i can think of to resolve your case to accept what came from Ni as how it is and use Ti to analyze everything but not what it come from Ni , even if sometimes Ni give you false target, otherwise how you going to be in peace in your mind , for example Ti see its reasonable to question Ne , and we both know why , but in your case , it just painful , at lest classic INFJ's their Fe in btw Ni Ti , like cooler engine , it low the stress , also i liked your explain on Ni , so it contains some dark color after all
@Cliven Longsight hmm tell me if it worked or not , i have searched about this problem it causeed by one of these things: 1-Seen comments as spam , which i don't think So , since I have seen a lot of people have long comments in all kind youtube channels do the same thing.. 2- TH-cam channel owner block some comments from been seen to others , for personal unknown reasons .. 3- technical youtube issue, which is not fit the case here since we create new separated new comment.. The first and second, can be resolved by channel owner , by remove the comment from spam folder, or unblock it if he did block the comment.. To test this , log out , go to old original first post , the one who had +20 comment , and check if your comment is there , the one who start with :((( So you seem to be saying that Fe is different...))) , if it's there , than this is youtube issue..
Perfect , it worked ... i understand what you saying , but if you think about it , Fi users can't give you the technical details of how Fi works , because you want it in Ti language or at lest how Ti understand it , in Fi world , explaining things - analyzing it - all linked to Fi system and how it see things - plus i said to my self , they have Te and they should explain how Fi works but again , Te not identity function , just like how Fe can't explain Ti , it only see the surface in it , most likely it will see it as smart - selfish - and maybe rude , that it.. you said interesting thing here : ((It's worth noting that Fi users DO seem to recognize their own contradictions once they HAVE to face them)) , you right i do it all the time , with dom fi friend but it get harder with Enfp's , perhaps because they are making projections from Ne beam on Fi , and it create very complicated paradox that they can't even understand , but Ni Fi , you know exactly whats going to happen , it will create sharp line that going to explain everything in morality world on deep accurate level , there will be less paradox and more accuracy in Fi world , maybe JP really Ni Fi after all because this fit his case ... but just like you said Fi in general they recognize their own contradictions , they sense logic and truth when Ti confront them but it feel to them it's confusing , because they want the truth in Fi world , for example ( the origin of self morality ) , not just that but they want to analyze it by Fi system not Ti not Te !!! very weird ha , very different world that Ti can't see it as how really it is or in better words , can't sense it in any shape or form , it meaningless.. your last part about Ni Ti , always makes me think how painful it is , because Ni give you results without reasons or logic it just jump over it to the goal directly, but because Ti part of you , you can't just ignore it , you want to understand it , this pain in the ass if you ask me , how you manage man , the only thing i can think of to resolve your case to accept what came from Ni as how it is and use Ti to analyze everything but not what it come from Ni , even if sometimes Ni give you false target, otherwise how you going to be in peace in your mind , for example Ti see its reasonable to question Ne , and we both know why , but in your case , it just painful , at lest classic INFJ's their Fe in btw Ni Ti , like cooler engine , it low the stress , also i liked your explain on Ni , so it contains some dark color after all
@Cliven Longsight hmm , sorry that i couldn't explain my self in better way for some parts , maybe because it was explained in Ne Ti and how it see things ... but first of all you have to let go that Fi know what they like and what they don't , this is the surface level when we want to examining Fi , the most important matter is to understand how Fi see things in it's own core , and what this function looking for , even if you or me didn't met any smart Fi user our your lives , like someone can go deep to explain what he/she looking for in Fi world , like you said , maybe JP is one of those with hardcore Fi , that can make others see different understanding from Ti ( regardless of what we see right or wrong ) .. when i said : (("it get harder with Enfp's , perhaps because they are making projections from Ne beam on Fi , and it create very complicated paradox that they can't even understand")) , i meant the connection btw functions , i think i mentioned this before in old conversation with you , like Ni Fe see the meaning of life something connected with empath , the first 2 function determines how we see the world , so for Ne Fi , it create very complicated pictures in deep self , hmmm in better words you can consider the first function like light and the second as water , it reflect what kind of light falling on it , tho each function is independent but they also connected and give different results when they do that connection, which is most of times , because no human can pass this.. so Ne always trying force Fi to enter the world of possibilities , while Fi very busy to discover its own self on emotion logical system , that why i said this , it cause them to create very complicated paradox , a loop that have no ending btw the possibilities and self discovery... , as for Ni Fi , things are not seen as paradox more than it's clear in some way, Ni give good vibe to Fi , so the focus on self discovery will go to high level with high accuracy , in shape of emotional wisdom of self life meaning , similar to JP , but of course with some cost like depression caused by high focus from 2 introverted function , so someone like this , happiness is something very precious and have deep value.. i actually laughed when you said this : D (((( Again, I think their opinion-based system is just a linguistic shorthand allowing them to minimalize the amount of deliberation required. That they then get slapped with an introverted sticker kind of slows down the process, but they've still got that quick-and-dirty Fx shorthand system under the hood.))) , its true for Ti logical biases at lest how Ti see Fi is meaningless ( in our cases you and me ), but we both know this world have different aspects and different point of views , that make me wonder if we even can see truth fully , since we all have blind spot , at lest that what the theory of PoLR function say so.. , meh it's need some more tests.. also when i said :((("the only thing i can think of to resolve your case to accept what came from Ni as how it is and use Ti to analyze everything but not what it come from Ni , even if sometimes Ni give you false target, otherwise how you going to be in peace in your mind"))) , i meant if Ti going to check Ni patterns a lot , it going to lose Ni benefit, or have acceptable chance to correct it if the Ni user have habit to not trust of his intuition , the way i see Nx it's all depend on the user and how much he/she train his/her intuition and what they feed the unconscious by daily life , so if someone have sharp intuition it's not good idea to question it a lot in cases that logic can't give good accuracy , the process in Ni has already done after very complected patterns has been measured, so if you going to analyze it with Ti , there is high chance you going to miss something that Ni already measured without you even know ,especially Ni , since its give results very slowly , but i agree with you to question Ni , when the field or the process need logical thinking like math , engineering etc.. as for emotion sometimes kick you first before Ti jump in , yup i always saw that in you Intuitively , even you hit with Ni Ti always , but i believe the ( animals, i don't understand why dave choose such poor name like this ) are changeable and they are not static , the environment have high impact on them , for example , after i traveled to another country , i become very introverted in life style , very close to INTPs , also those who around you affect these animals a stability , that why i start see the dynamic of animals are fact in typology , if we see this as fact it going to answer about the huge differences in humans , dave see personalities in huge spectrum , it have truth in it but not enough without accepting the dynamic of function caused by environment and a lot factors in our complex life .
Einsame M M De/F Di, M Di/F De are dimensions that act completely separately not only from their Savior and Demon assignments, but also from whether they are F or T. That is, they don’t operate differently regardless of Savior or Demon, F or T. M De is very obvious, generally pushy (with occasional emotional collapse when pushed too far). Their pushiness is frequently expressed, “This is the way it is” or “You need to do this.” It has a bulldozing, directing-other-people quality. F De is also obvious, soft and flowy and accommodating, generally using language and tone to smooth out tensions in interactions (with occasional “Ok, I’ve had enough of this!” when pushed too far. I find M Di and F Di harder to identify, except as the implicit pair to the more obvious expression of M De or F De in the person’s personality.
Question?! 👁🗨🔛🔝▶️Do you think a person’s zodiac polarity had anything to do with which way we ”push,” masculine or feminine; persay?⁉️⁉️⏯♈️Aries Infj, ♐️
Aztecian Drumset I don’t think that helps the gary B being esfj argument. So what? Gary is Fe-Ne? How do you assert that over Te-Se? And more importantly if they’re about to say “wElL GaRy V hAs MaScUlInE Fe!!” Then wtf why wouldn’t that just be Te? And does “”””feminine”””” Te look like regular Fe? It’s a cluster fuck.
I second that, their theories helped me a lot, their typing is just so wrong most of the times for those "famous" yet "remote" people, peterson is an Ni-Dom, probably intj with all the chaos talk, and detachment, I had people in the comments describing him like exactly an intj while they have no clue about mbti or jung; with the narrowing down, emotional detachment from what has to be addressed objectively, the man is Te-Fi like crazy when it comes to emotions, chaos control, over simplified statements or punch lines etc etc, gary v is an entj like duh, he's a copy cat of a friend of mine. it's been months now that I take their theories with heart but totally dismiss their typing, Eminem is an istp maaaaaann! not an infj come on. i have no clue what M or F is all about the last I take with heart is the EJ EP IJ IP dichotomies. and that's it. and i trust my intuition about what i said to the level of schizoid like maniac. it's been 5 years into that shit seeing things all over interconnected while almost doing nothing else.
This is fascinating...so are self pushers more intelligent? Or that depends? I think a fascinating aspect would be the balance question? When is a person out of balance? In that case you would be in the realm of abnormal psychology. Development is necessary but is there over-development? A mother feeds a child up to a point then the child takes over its own self care...and so on. So in every journey one needs a mother but then is weaned from the mother...but if all the child knows is how to eat without any other thought then this becomes a problem unless he becomes a farmer, chef, then it both feeds itself and others. Modern society breeds people to depend on others for food and many essential things so most people you could say are underdeveloped in the sense that we are not wholly independent. But I guess thats just the way its going to be since we are limited on time and capacity. So with this analogy I could see why there are both of these functions. Thank you.
@@ProfessorBorax Yes, she pushes on the tribe. In another video, she mentioned that when she was young, before she became more self-aware, she would go around constantly "hitting" people with Te, so to speak, which is definitely a M-Te thing.
It will help to learn the cognitive functions behind each of the MBTI categories, check out the MBTI reddit. Here Dave and Shan are talking about Fi, Fe, Ti and Te, along with their own variants of each (Masculine and Feminine).
According to Dsp: Eminem Infj Ni Ti Alex Jones Idk Jordan Peterson: Entp According to me Eminem: Hard one some say Istp and some enfp but for what I have seen his Ne is ok good and Ti is ok ok so Infj make sense Alex Jones: don’t care Jordan Peterson: Enfj (no Te to be infj, clearly Fe Ti axes, Ni Se in middle for sure)
Well, If I think about Eminem having Ti and Fe it totally makes sense to me. Infp is pretty dumb for him. But thats just me literaly thinking 1 minute about it so I could be wrong here. Why do you think that he's Infp? For me that doesnt make much sense and I know alot of Infp's personally. Also: Jordan Peterson is 100% a Ti-User so Fi cant be in his top 4 Functions.
@@Mehno97 watch his interviews. I always notice the slight delay in respons and eyebrow movement in dominant Fi users. They also seem to have to really yell just to speak up.
Lmfao that's scary shit ahahahahaha I would stay away from someone who is obsessed with conspiracies dude. Like yeah sure they exist but... It's a rabbit hole to wonderland man. That's just unhealthy
Idk how many people are typing apart from you two. In case it's just two of you, theres is literally nothing objective about that. Your theory is good but still vague enough that a group of people will have different interpretations of what a particular functions means and what it manifests itself as. Also youtube isn't peer reviewed so it also lacks that, that's not to say peer review is fool proof and always has good judgement but something that's quite certain is that youtube is NOT the most scientific place to establish objectivity i'll tell you that. In my opinion you saviour vs demon theory is gold, the balanced function in the middle is gold and a preference between your middle functions that can interchange is paradigm changing but your talk about Tribe and self isn't cutting it and it's half the story.
I push on doors that say “pull”
And you MADE the door 😁
D.H. Same 😂
Demon Se
Introverted pulls are but pushes inwards.
@@CaveyMoth wat
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The ending, where do you find this stuff.
Alex Jones as an indie folk song. One of my faves. They also did Trump as an emo song
It’s the INFP’s Ne probably lol
If there's not a clip of Shanon laughing in next video I'm suing.
Still laughing, laughing, laughing at the folk song.
Masculine Fi here - Greg Plitt is an excellent recommendation.
This explains why my mentality feels extreme when I'm at my best. Pressure on self.
I’m pretty confident I have F-Te as my top function as a savior and M-Fi as my last function/demon and also fairly confident I am sleep last. I’ve been watching these videos a ton lately trying to reflect. I’ve gotta stop killing myself and pushing myself so hard for the tribe. I think I’m shedding years off my life at this point 😔
Proud to be on the far blue side... the type that people like but at the same time can never truly be pushed around or changed on the inside, no matter how hard other people may try. Also, I like this spectrum visual, gives good perspective.
you got me the alex jones part wast just too much xD
Cheers! Waiting impatiently for a vid about masculine/feminine observers. That seems kinda tricky
I’m glad you had that song at the end. I must have watched that a dozen times!
That Alex Jones video is...one of the scariest, best things I've seen in a LONG time. Thanks for the laugh!
Wow, when you described how you cloister yourself off to work on yourself ... reminded me of this kind of detachment that can happen in those situations. I've had to work on it, untangling the knot mentally so that I can make sure my being blindsided doesn't have me miss a step. It really was just a practice of recognizing a need for a moment of personal calm for myself so I can regather my bearings. Otherwise it would be like the social mask shut down and emergency backup kicks in... "what's the next step? what is the pattern? how am I feeling? what needs to happen now? can everything work as good as it needs to? ok let's execute." No discussions with people other than strict protocol. But otherwise I am very attentive to the others and quite deferential. It doesn't matter much to me until it absolutely has to... such a bad habit.
This is fantastic content. I am M Ti / F Fe and my partner is the reverse, M Fe / F Ti
This helps me to better grasp our dynamic.
Is advised
@Mr X it's shite, he broke up with me. Haha
@@6Churches Dang, I'm sorry
@@mollusckscramp4124 my continued learning is that he had f Te not Fe. It was easy to confuse the two because they both want to be 'nice domestic godesses', but for different reasons.
Loved this video. I died at the end.
Masculine Ni and Ti, feminine Fe and Se here.
Same!!
You are so right on the Alex Jones' part! Now every time i see him I will see fear on him, cause he does really emmit that!!
Fear
Great ending. Laughter helped break the M-Fi episode🥰
I find it hard to express my opinions with the tribe and internally I can be quite upset. I wish I was just more pushy! Recently my work tribe have not been filing documents according to procedure. I've been frustrated and upset about that for months! :) :D
in the sm boat
@@Monster-wf7bh I've learned more since I made this comment. I hope you too gain confidence. It's more about how and when, than what is said. Keep at it x
hmm, i feel like i’m pretty chill with both the tribe and myself - at least when it comes to pushing actively. but i suppose i am better at pushing other people to achieve things than i am at pushing myself, even if i have Te demon. i guess this dynamic looks different depending on which order your deciders come in (mine are Fi saviour and Te demon, so i guess that even if i do have masculine Te, it looks a lot more ”chill” than masculine Te as a saviour).
I would recommend Wes Watson for pushing on yourself.
I'm totally thrown off on looking at myself with this stuff, because of way too many years being pushed/pushing myself to be someone that I'm not - basically someone the (small, exclusive) tribe can tell who to be in all ways - am I now at 34 learning to not be pushed (Fi) because I'm M-Fi or am I finally just growing a backbone in general and working on my inherent flaws? I'm way too meta about all of it, I can see myself in any way I can convince myself at any given moment.
Need to locate some trustworthy friends who are willing to help me type myself I guess. Too bad I only have like 2 friends XD
Great video! I’ve been looking for that bit if understanding with the M/F link to I/E. It seems way more clear that my Masculine functions are Introverted and my Feminine functions are Extroverted... 😎
Alex Jones is the cowardly lion
GaryVee is the scarecrow
Jordan Peterson is the Tin man
Y’all love to focus on Se, Ni, Fi, and Te and those are all functions I don’t possess. Kinda struggling to find my type here
Hey guys, really love your stuff and enjoy all your vids - so I'm a big fan. I just had this thought and just wanted to share because I think you'll think its funny. Dave looks like Captain America's little brother and Shan looks like an elf from Lord of the Rings... 🤣
3:57 Oh man yeah I relate to that. I've thought of it as a general Fi dom thing tho.
Same
Oh shit... I'm dying after that AJones song.
That song at the end is pretty cool.
wow this song is actually good :D
I lost it at the ending 😭😂😂😂
The Alex Jones video lmaoooo 💀 HILLARY’S INTO WEIRD SICK STUFF MAN 😂
so can you have masculine of both deciders or is it always inversely proportional strengths of masculine/feminine
Your insecurity is showing
@@Shadow77999 huh?
You can't have both, it's the coin of one side M and one side F.
I initially felt like I was more F with both but I think my demon decider is M.
Good luck in your journey of figuring yourself out!
So the extroverted masculine decider will try and decide for others , wile the introverted masculine decider will instead decide for itself, but I have a question what are the feminine versions doing ? Since if they are about being pushed around then if you have it dominant you will be influenced by the demon more and that is what the demon shouldn't be doing from it's position .
I think that the feminine internal decider, like I have (ENTJ Te/Se), will not push on itself without the consent of the tribe (masculine De). For me, I'll go ask people if it's normal how I feel about stuff and if I should act upon it. Even though deep down I know it's best for me to act upon it, I still need that approval from the outside world. For a feminine external decider, I'm not sure but I think it's trusting that the tribe will decide what's good for themselves. For example, someone with masculine Ti, therefore feminine Fe, would list a bunch of reasons why something is not good, then tell the tribe to draw their own conclusions, even though sometimes there's only one conclusion possible.
MM Ne/Fi here, so my Savior Fi is feminine. I find that a lot of the time, Fi is this very _almost_ insecure part of myself, something that I push out hesitantly in interactions and try to find agreement with. If someone says or does something that causes a twinge to my Fi, once I’m pushed, I CAN push back with my Fi in a Savior state. HOWEVER! That’s only in situations where, say, I see someone mistreating someone else so my Fi gets angry on their behalf, steps in, and then afterwards self-analyzes to try and confirm that what I did was right and see how I can be better in the future, etc.
In the case that my Fi gets stepped on, insulted, or guilted- usually unintentionally- my masculine Te comes OUT. And it is usually angry. It bursts out to try and defend the Fi that’s been tampered with, and I shower both myself and the other party with logic that comes out as aggressive and pushy. It’s crazy because when I look back, I notice that the Te isn’t really helping the situation at all, since I usually don’t feel any better until I stabilize my Fi again.
There are other cases when my feminine Fi will feel so insecure or uncertain that it will wilt and leave me lost to my Te. It happens sometimes when I realize the tribe doesn’t like something I like, or when I realize that a moral value I have conflicts a value of those around me, or when I’m genuinely undecided about how to view something and get so turned around that my Fi is clueless. When Te takes over at times like that, it is NEEDY for validation. Instead of lashing out, it’ll just shatter my self-esteem. I realized lately that at times like those, I often subconsciously try to sneak my Fi insecurity into conversations with other people as jokes in hopes that they’ll be nice and correct me, then voice support my Fi values so that I can feel better again. (And since people can’t read minds, they usually laugh at the seemingly harmless joke and put my Fi down further, which is totally my fault. I need to stop doing that.)
For example: Say I have a pair of shoes my mom got me years back, and I’ve taken to them so much that I wear them every day. One day, it comes to my attention that this pair of shoes is, by fashion standards, HIGHLY outdated and out of style. (This didn’t happen, but stuff like it has, and it honestly would again since I pay no attention to trends, haha.) Immediately, there’s a piercing rush of insecurity- the shoes that I Fi love and appreciate are actually looked down upon. I try to laugh it off to myself and continue going about my day. About half an hour later, I see a friend, and we start chatting. Because the shoes are still in the back of my mind, and because they’re still causing humiliation to build up in my stomach, I integrate the topic into conversation via a mildly self-deprecating joke that seems to come out of nowhere. E.g.- “Yeah, the child crying during the office meeting looked almost as out-of-place as these sketchers I’ve been wearing for five years.” -What am I subconsciously expecting? Validation! Some part of me wants my friend to go, “Aw no, your shoes are fine!” I fished for a compliment without even realizing it because I wanted my Fi to feel all better! But guess what? Of course from the way I phrased that, NO ONE would know I spent the last half hour painfully embarrassed about my shoes. So my friend laughs really hard at my joke, which makes me feel infinitely worse.
While they’re still laughing (and I’m fake-laughing outwardly to cover the fact I’m wounded) angry Te comes up in my head immediately, thinking furious thoughts like, _Well if you knew my shoes were ugly, why didn’t you tell me? Did you want me to be humiliated?_ or _YOU’RE the one who originally thought that socks and sandals were fun to wear, so you have no right to judge me!_ And it’s all incredibly toxic and unnecessary, especially because I’m not verbally communicating any of it. I’m tryna work on that part of myself.
So, yeah. Feminine Fi, rarely standing up for itself and routinely getting itself hurt and then doing it again minutes later
@sophiaredwood5825 I know this is 2 years later but great explanation. You've now clarified to me that I have masculine Fi.
Love your videos!!
Ok so I'm a very feminine INFJ.
@Mr. Spaghetti what are you?
ROFLMAO on the Alex Jones “musical version”.
I know. That killed me. Had to look that song up. It’s brilliant.
I can relate to Jordan Peterson M Ti F Fe
that song tho LOL
What do u think about cs joseph
Malcolm MacInnis his whiteboard is sexey
He thinks he knows more than he actually does
Cstank5 examples ?
@@cattyping2635 Examples is the problem. He doesn't have any. He's constantly making statements that aren't backed by any facts.
But his descriptions of mental processes are very well expressed, hence everyone's willingness to follow him.
I personally believe he's got great communication, but terrible arguments. So everything he gets right => Awesome, original point of view ...
But ... sometimes he just doesn't give you anything to measure weather he's right or wrong. Only confident statements, and you take it on yourself whether to believe him or not based on how accurate you found him on the spot.
@@JoeLaFigue are you talking about how he describes each personality type's behavior?
Lmao perfect example of a masculine De 😂
Briefly looked up Greg Plitt and immediately hear a quote from him, "Nobody can help you, you've gotta help yourself-" which is funny since that is exactly the same thing I've been thinking repeatedly for a while now. Seems to me a very masculine trait, since usually it's women who tend to be more co-dependent rather than independent. Also it seems to me that the red side could be easily manipulated. So yeah, I'm talking down to the red side but maybe it's because I don't really see much good about it other than maybe some occasional scenarios.
I have the same natural reaction to the red side. It helped me to learn that being too far on the blue side means nobody around me will actually be helped. The truth is other people need to be pushed sometimes to get going, and if I’m unwilling to do that (my M-Fi) then nothing good will happen for anybody involved.
@@KevinPaterson true, it may be more necessary sometimes, probably even more effective to yell at the red side people to get stuff done...
Hilarious Alex jones musical !!
*obligatory WHAT ABOUT THE INTJS comment*
I've always thought JP would be a Te-Fi person... O.o
yes... and an Ni probably, their typing is off, their theories are gold though till the ej ip ij ip dichotomies.
I can see the conflict and the misidentification. I concur with OP with JP. FM Ne/Ti CPS/B. The exacting nature and precision of his language, particularly communicating the abstract to the concrete accurately and as "simply" as possible. His confidence in the exact phraseology he utilizes in the past also leans more towards the masculine side from my perspective. I believe that I have a similar (novice and developing) type as JP. I was completely floored when he described how he organizes information in an ongoing narrative/theory(Masculine Ne video). I call them my foundational pillars. I believe that this is the dominate FEMININE Ne (Batman if you will) tag teamed auxiliary MASCULINE Ti (Robin...). The process of Ti is doing the brunt of the work and the Ne mental models are less resource dependent and über convenient. I'd love to hear any feedback or thoughts on this matter. 🙏🏽
Can masculine Fi be described as to not want to be pushed by others?
I'm an INFP male, masculine Fi. I think if you're pushing so much on yourself which I do, I don't like being pushed by others.
Like “I don’t bother you on your BS, don’t bother me on mine”. I tend not to do the BS because I’m an INFP, and I’m not doing that SiTe stuff for you (I do it anyways).
super dumb question but you can't have both deciders as the same sex, right?
Just some feedback from the tribe: I LOVE the addition of this aspect to functions. It's revolutionary. Is there any way we could come up with different terms to use rather than masculine/feminine. The gendering feels unnecessary and distracting since the aspect has nothing to do with gender and more to do with how an energy moves.
Possibly we could use the terms of Assertive for masculine and Turbulent for feminine. I’m aware that 16personalities does this but for a completely different reason 🙄 but in this context I think it works better when defining masculine/feminine functions and could be more self-explanatory
@@claudialuvsu21 yeah good point. i would for sure like to have terms that are more self-explanatory. i think this is also the issue i have with gendering functions in this way because these stereotypical "natures" of genders are rooted in extremely unproductive & outdated concepts of gender expression that really has nothing to do with describing the way energy is being expressed in the functions. I think it would be nice to tie it back to the movement itself which would also make it easier to understand at the same time.
Truly would LOVE to get a discussion going about this and get some outside input (because I have Te) and also because in my own studies I'm working on some alternative terms for this aspect (because I have Fi and it needs to FEEL RIGHT lol).
Confident/shy, bold/timid, aggressive/passive, etc. Not that I mind masculine/feminine, it's just more to the point.
I think Tony Robbins is an ENFP.
Whoaa..I share a trait with Dave; Masculine Fi. I can't decide whether my Ne is feminine or masculine, though. Hmmm...
5:48 LOL...All I can see is his eyes looking at the teleprompter as he spews all this Fi stuff. I hate that.
Can you guys talk about people with epilepsy and their personality?
What's there to talk about? They're whatever type they are and occasionally they get seizures.
@@CascadiaStronk I would disagree...
@@huppimmuppimard3305 Then elaborate
Quick question... How is J Peterson not pushing on others? That's kind of his whole shtick right? Trying to better others and encourage others to be more personally responsible?
I see your point. But when he tells stories about his life, he's like "I worried about this issue for years." That seems like pushing on self.
@@worldwidehappiness He also strikes me as a naturally feminine person, and I think he even talks about this in either his book or some of his lectures, who through great effort has become more conventionally masculine, in ways like his precise speech, facial hair, and attire. Just food for thought.
He’s pushing on the tribe to be more personally responsible because he’s an introverted decider savior that knows how much pushing on yourself gets you where you need to go.
But ultimately the key here is what is he doing more often or what comes first. And he probably wouldn’t be preaching what he does without having experienced and processing it himself.
@@mameta2079 that makes a ton of sense! Thanks !
@@lucasbrown4219 Well, that it comes of as pushing on others is just that He's using is Masculin Ti and is just very verbal about it and explains it. But if you hear closely its just the logic that is masculin, actually the weaker Fe with its ethics is the driver behind him even being so verbal about his logic and teaching others I would say.
At least its how I did observe him.
this comment related to other one , that discuss about JP type and Fi function
@Cliven Longsight you can repost it here again ..
@Cliven Longsight Perfect , it worked ...
i understand what you saying , but if you think about it , Fi users can't give you the technical details of how Fi works , because you want it in Ti language or at lest how Ti understand it , in Fi world , explaining things - analyzing it - all linked to Fi system and how it see things - plus i said to my self , they have Te and they should explain how Fi works but again , Te not identity function , just like how Fe can't explain Ti , it only see the surface in it , most likely it will see it as smart - selfish - and maybe rude , that it..
you said interesting thing here : ((It's worth noting that Fi users DO seem to recognize their own contradictions once they HAVE to face them)) , you right i do it all the time , with dom fi friend but it get harder with Enfp's , perhaps because they are making projections from Ne beam on Fi , and it create very complicated paradox that they can't even understand , but Ni Fi , you know exactly whats going to happen , it will create sharp line that going to explain everything in morality world on deep accurate level , there will be less paradox and more accuracy in Fi world , maybe JP really Ni Fi after all because this fit his case ...
but just like you said Fi in general they recognize their own contradictions , they sense logic and truth when Ti confront them but it feel to them it's confusing , because they want the truth in Fi world , for example ( the origin of self morality ) , not just that but they want to analyze it by Fi system not Ti not Te !!! very weird ha , very different world that Ti can't see it as how really it is or in better words , can't sense it in any shape or form , it meaningless..
your last part about Ni Ti , always makes me think how painful it is , because Ni give you results without reasons or logic it just jump over it to the goal directly, but because Ti part of you , you can't just ignore it , you want to understand it , this pain in the ass if you ask me , how you manage man , the only thing i can think of to resolve your case to accept what came from Ni as how it is and use Ti to analyze everything but not what it come from Ni , even if sometimes Ni give you false target, otherwise how you going to be in peace in your mind , for example Ti see its reasonable to question Ne , and we both know why , but in your case , it just painful , at lest classic INFJ's their Fe in btw Ni Ti , like cooler engine , it low the stress , also i liked your explain on Ni , so it contains some dark color after all
@Cliven Longsight hmm tell me if it worked or not , i have searched about this problem it causeed by one of these things:
1-Seen comments as spam , which i don't think So , since I have seen a lot of people have long comments in all kind youtube channels do the same thing..
2- TH-cam channel owner block some comments from been seen to others , for personal unknown reasons ..
3- technical youtube issue, which is not fit the case here since we create new separated new comment..
The first and second, can be resolved by channel owner , by remove the comment from spam folder, or unblock it if he did block the comment..
To test this , log out , go to old original first post , the one who had +20 comment , and check if your comment is there , the one who start with :((( So you seem to be saying that Fe is different...))) , if it's there , than this is youtube issue..
Perfect , it worked ...
i understand what you saying , but if you think about it , Fi users can't give you the technical details of how Fi works , because you want it in Ti language or at lest how Ti understand it , in Fi world , explaining things - analyzing it - all linked to Fi system and how it see things - plus i said to my self , they have Te and they should explain how Fi works but again , Te not identity function , just like how Fe can't explain Ti , it only see the surface in it , most likely it will see it as smart - selfish - and maybe rude , that it..
you said interesting thing here : ((It's worth noting that Fi users DO seem to recognize their own contradictions once they HAVE to face them)) , you right i do it all the time , with dom fi friend but it get harder with Enfp's , perhaps because they are making projections from Ne beam on Fi , and it create very complicated paradox that they can't even understand , but Ni Fi , you know exactly whats going to happen , it will create sharp line that going to explain everything in morality world on deep accurate level , there will be less paradox and more accuracy in Fi world , maybe JP really Ni Fi after all because this fit his case ...
but just like you said Fi in general they recognize their own contradictions , they sense logic and truth when Ti confront them but it feel to them it's confusing , because they want the truth in Fi world , for example ( the origin of self morality ) , not just that but they want to analyze it by Fi system not Ti not Te !!! very weird ha , very different world that Ti can't see it as how really it is or in better words , can't sense it in any shape or form , it meaningless..
your last part about Ni Ti , always makes me think how painful it is , because Ni give you results without reasons or logic it just jump over it to the goal directly, but because Ti part of you , you can't just ignore it , you want to understand it , this pain in the ass if you ask me , how you manage man , the only thing i can think of to resolve your case to accept what came from Ni as how it is and use Ti to analyze everything but not what it come from Ni , even if sometimes Ni give you false target, otherwise how you going to be in peace in your mind , for example Ti see its reasonable to question Ne , and we both know why , but in your case , it just painful , at lest classic INFJ's their Fe in btw Ni Ti , like cooler engine , it low the stress , also i liked your explain on Ni , so it contains some dark color after all
@Cliven Longsight do you see it now ? , I tried to not mention your name , maybe it should work..
@Cliven Longsight hmm , sorry that i couldn't explain my self in better way for some parts , maybe because it was explained in Ne Ti and how it see things ...
but first of all you have to let go that Fi know what they like and what they don't , this is the surface level when we want to examining Fi , the most important matter is to understand how Fi see things in it's own core , and what this function looking for , even if you or me didn't met any smart Fi user our your lives , like someone can go deep to explain what he/she looking for in Fi world , like you said , maybe JP is one of those with hardcore Fi , that can make others see different understanding from Ti ( regardless of what we see right or wrong ) ..
when i said : (("it get harder with Enfp's , perhaps because they are making projections from Ne beam on Fi , and it create very complicated paradox that they can't even understand")) , i meant the connection btw functions , i think i mentioned this before in old conversation with you , like Ni Fe see the meaning of life something connected with empath , the first 2 function determines how we see the world , so for Ne Fi , it create very complicated pictures in deep self , hmmm in better words you can consider the first function like light and the second as water , it reflect what kind of light falling on it , tho each function is independent but they also connected and give different results when they do that connection, which is most of times , because no human can pass this..
so Ne always trying force Fi to enter the world of possibilities , while Fi very busy to discover its own self on emotion logical system , that why i said this , it cause them to create very complicated paradox , a loop that have no ending btw the possibilities and self discovery... , as for Ni Fi , things are not seen as paradox more than it's clear in some way, Ni give good vibe to Fi , so the focus on self discovery will go to high level with high accuracy , in shape of emotional wisdom of self life meaning , similar to JP , but of course with some cost like depression caused by high focus from 2 introverted function , so someone like this , happiness is something very precious and have deep value..
i actually laughed when you said this : D (((( Again, I think their opinion-based system is just a linguistic shorthand allowing them to minimalize the amount of deliberation required. That they then get slapped with an introverted sticker kind of slows down the process, but they've still got that quick-and-dirty Fx shorthand system under the hood.))) , its true for Ti logical biases at lest how Ti see Fi is meaningless ( in our cases you and me ), but we both know this world have different aspects and different point of views , that make me wonder if we even can see truth fully , since we all have blind spot , at lest that what the theory of PoLR function say so.. , meh it's need some more tests..
also when i said :((("the only thing i can think of to resolve your case to accept what came from Ni as how it is and use Ti to analyze everything but not what it come from Ni , even if sometimes Ni give you false target, otherwise how you going to be in peace in your mind"))) , i meant if Ti going to check Ni patterns a lot , it going to lose Ni benefit, or have acceptable chance to correct it if the Ni user have habit to not trust of his intuition , the way i see Nx it's all depend on the user and how much he/she train his/her intuition and what they feed the unconscious by daily life , so if someone have sharp intuition it's not good idea to question it a lot in cases that logic can't give good accuracy , the process in Ni has already done after very complected patterns has been measured, so if you going to analyze it with Ti , there is high chance you going to miss something that Ni already measured without you even know ,especially Ni , since its give results very slowly , but i agree with you to question Ni , when the field or the process need logical thinking like math , engineering etc..
as for emotion sometimes kick you first before Ti jump in , yup i always saw that in you Intuitively , even you hit with Ni Ti always , but i believe the ( animals, i don't understand why dave choose such poor name like this ) are changeable and they are not static , the environment have high impact on them , for example , after i traveled to another country , i become very introverted in life style , very close to INTPs , also those who around you affect these animals a stability , that why i start see the dynamic of animals are fact in typology , if we see this as fact it going to answer about the huge differences in humans , dave see personalities in huge spectrum , it have truth in it but not enough without accepting the dynamic of function caused by environment and a lot factors in our complex life .
OK but what will happen if M Fi is a demon? And F Te is the savior?
Einsame M M De/F Di, M Di/F De are dimensions that act completely separately not only from their Savior and Demon assignments, but also from whether they are F or T. That is, they don’t operate differently regardless of Savior or Demon, F or T. M De is very obvious, generally pushy (with occasional emotional collapse when pushed too far). Their pushiness is frequently expressed, “This is the way it is” or “You need to do this.” It has a bulldozing, directing-other-people quality. F De is also obvious, soft and flowy and accommodating, generally using language and tone to smooth out tensions in interactions (with occasional “Ok, I’ve had enough of this!” when pushed too far. I find M Di and F Di harder to identify, except as the implicit pair to the more obvious expression of M De or F De in the person’s personality.
@@greggfiller1 wow, thank you so much! You put it in a really understandable way!
Never forget
I think you just came up with that baby metaphor because alex jones kinda looks like a giant baby.
What the actual hell?
Sarah Kielion same
@@cattyping2635 😂
Cool chart, but it took me like five minutes to see the pattern. 😬
They're *turning the freaking T's gay. Do you understand?*
Question?! 👁🗨🔛🔝▶️Do you think a person’s zodiac polarity had anything to do with which way we ”push,” masculine or feminine; persay?⁉️⁉️⏯♈️Aries Infj, ♐️
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Gotta love Alex Jones. 🤦♀️
If that clip at the end is true, I can’t say I blame the guy.... murdering scum eating body parts...
They have good theories but their actual typing is so off lol
How so? I'm curious to hear what you find to be accurate.
@@AntonyReed They say Gary v is ESFJ. Any credibility of them goes out the window after that. The dude is ENTJ thru and thru
@@JV-cz6fz In their theory, you saviours can be both you 1st and your 2nd function or you 1st and your 3rd.
Aztecian Drumset I don’t think that helps the gary B being esfj argument. So what? Gary is Fe-Ne? How do you assert that over Te-Se? And more importantly if they’re about to say “wElL GaRy V hAs MaScUlInE Fe!!” Then wtf why wouldn’t that just be Te? And does “”””feminine”””” Te look like regular Fe? It’s a cluster fuck.
I second that, their theories helped me a lot, their typing is just so wrong most of the times for those "famous" yet "remote" people, peterson is an Ni-Dom, probably intj with all the chaos talk, and detachment, I had people in the comments describing him like exactly an intj while they have no clue about mbti or jung; with the narrowing down, emotional detachment from what has to be addressed objectively, the man is Te-Fi like crazy when it comes to emotions, chaos control, over simplified statements or punch lines etc etc, gary v is an entj like duh, he's a copy cat of a friend of mine. it's been months now that I take their theories with heart but totally dismiss their typing, Eminem is an istp maaaaaann! not an infj come on. i have no clue what M or F is all about the last I take with heart is the EJ EP IJ IP dichotomies. and that's it. and i trust my intuition about what i said to the level of schizoid like maniac. it's been 5 years into that shit seeing things all over interconnected while almost doing nothing else.
This is fascinating...so are self pushers more intelligent? Or that depends? I think a fascinating aspect would be the balance question? When is a person out of balance? In that case you would be in the realm of abnormal psychology. Development is necessary but is there over-development? A mother feeds a child up to a point then the child takes over its own self care...and so on. So in every journey one needs a mother but then is weaned from the mother...but if all the child knows is how to eat without any other thought then this becomes a problem unless he becomes a farmer, chef, then it both feeds itself and others. Modern society breeds people to depend on others for food and many essential things so most people you could say are underdeveloped in the sense that we are not wholly independent. But I guess thats just the way its going to be since we are limited on time and capacity. So with this analogy I could see why there are both of these functions. Thank you.
Does anyone else hear Bon Iver ?
Does Shanon have 1st saviour F Te like DeFranco?
No, she has mentioned in another video that she has M-Te and F-Fi.
@@sabrinaclift1180 Oh. I thought because she said she usually asks 'tell me what to do'. Does she push on the tribe?
@@ProfessorBorax Yes, she pushes on the tribe. In another video, she mentioned that when she was young, before she became more self-aware, she would go around constantly "hitting" people with Te, so to speak, which is definitely a M-Te thing.
What type is J Peterson? Hyper confident INTP?
FF Ne/Ti CPBS, so ENTP
I’m quite convinced he’s INTP. He does have emotional religious blind spots but we all do. Hes still Ti dom from what I see
@@JV-cz6fz I'm just going off what Dave and Shannon have typed him as, which is what I listed above.
@@DallasWales nooooo wayyyyy....but he described his big 5 and he's got very high conscientious.
@@DallasWales Remind me - do they have Alex Jones as ENFJ or ESFJ? Thanks -
What if you just constantly shit on yourself
what's the difference between oprah and jordan peterson. they are both F-Fe and M-Ti
Jordan is savior Ti and Oprah is savior Fe
Or to put it another way, Oprah is tribe above self, and Peterson is self above tribe
and thus they will forever remain as mortal enemies, as JP fights his crusade against the woke; fake Fe users lol
Philip defranco is an INTJ?
I think they said he's ENFP w/savior Ne-Te in a previous video.
@@Naan-E oh ok that makes more sense
Totally Eminem here, chill out y'all.
I’m new here, and idk what any of this means... can anyone assign at least one of these guys a personality type?
It will help to learn the cognitive functions behind each of the MBTI categories, check out the MBTI reddit.
Here Dave and Shan are talking about Fi, Fe, Ti and Te, along with their own variants of each (Masculine and Feminine).
I hope you're not trying to type Jordan Peterson as an IP... he's an IJ.
Daily reminder that this channel makes money off of bullshit
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I disagree with the following:
Eminem - INFP
Alex Jones - ENTP
Jordan Peterson - Fi user
According to Dsp:
Eminem Infj Ni Ti
Alex Jones Idk
Jordan Peterson: Entp
According to me
Eminem: Hard one some say Istp and some enfp but for what I have seen his Ne is ok good and Ti is ok ok so Infj make sense
Alex Jones: don’t care
Jordan Peterson: Enfj (no Te to be infj, clearly Fe Ti axes, Ni Se in middle for sure)
Well, If I think about Eminem having Ti and Fe it totally makes sense to me. Infp is pretty dumb for him. But thats just me literaly thinking 1 minute about it so I could be wrong here. Why do you think that he's Infp? For me that doesnt make much sense and I know alot of Infp's personally.
Also: Jordan Peterson is 100% a Ti-User so Fi cant be in his top 4 Functions.
@@Mehno97 I'm sorry Mama, I never meant to hurt your Fe, but tonight I'm letting out my Ti.
@@null1534 exactly. I see him as a Fi-favoring Intj.
@@Mehno97 watch his interviews. I always notice the slight delay in respons and eyebrow movement in dominant Fi users. They also seem to have to really yell just to speak up.
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Lmfao that's scary shit ahahahahaha I would stay away from someone who is obsessed with conspiracies dude. Like yeah sure they exist but... It's a rabbit hole to wonderland man. That's just unhealthy
Idk how many people are typing apart from you two. In case it's just two of you, theres is literally nothing objective about that. Your theory is good but still vague enough that a group of people will have different interpretations of what a particular functions means and what it manifests itself as. Also youtube isn't peer reviewed so it also lacks that, that's not to say peer review is fool proof and always has good judgement but something that's quite certain is that youtube is NOT the most scientific place to establish objectivity i'll tell you that. In my opinion you saviour vs demon theory is gold, the balanced function in the middle is gold and a preference between your middle functions that can interchange is paradigm changing but your talk about Tribe and self isn't cutting it and it's half the story.