ah this makes sense. i do hope they are able to release an updated version of this floor that they can be happy with as an official mod or something. The manor is awesome but felt a little short, i can see why they'd be unhappy with this segment as it is currently, but it just looks really cool and i'd love to see it in the game lol
I mean its not real so it shouldn't be scary if you get scared because if a game and you feel like something gonna pop out at you just say it cant hurt me if it's not real unless its a mental hurt in which case get a physiatrist
The Ghostly Marshadow Dude, Just Saying “It’s Not Real” Doesn’t make it not scary, A Disturbing Image Made In Photoshop May Scare Someone, And still saying it’s not real, doesn’t take away the initial Shock and Scare Of it
Hmm, so based on Dev comments and other details dug up it looks like the Subcon forest was supposed to be in a turf war between Snatcher, Moonjumper, and Queen Vanessa with each one wanting to own the whole thing. Moonjumper was also supposed to be the Prince after his imprisonment but due to issues with flow he was eventually cut from the finished product. While his design was cool and the concept was solid the third floor just didn't flow right and while the Devs tried to rework it before release the time just wasn't there. With the setup as it was it just made more sense to cut out one of the three and Moonjumper was least developed at that point. As a result the Snatcher's role was expanded as the defacto ruler of Subcon forest and the former prince, while Queen Vanessa had her own little private place that nobody else was brave or crazy enough to visit. But her effect on the forest is far great as she is the apparent source of messed up magic that has the entire place haunted.
Yea and thank god he was this story is very interesting and snatcher and vanessa had a thing and basically doing the same thing in there after life or something WOW i hope they make more content of the tale of queen vanessa and ween i see this level i feel that i need to turn the lights on. And some thing holy by my side
Yeah, I can sort of understand why they would cut this. It looks like chasing the Snatcher around is too frustrating and just takes too long, which kills the creepy mood.
There used to be more than one conductor in the beta and no DJ Grooves at all edit: turns out that grooves was a minor character in the prototype - beta period
I think the third floor should've been kept, but remove Snatcher, and Vanessa comes in immediately after you do, and she actively chases you at a speed only slightly slower than you until you can enter & exit a room quickly enough to where Vanessa doesn't see which door you exited through. It's timed so she's RIGHT on your ass at the beginning and a player without prior knowledge of the level would be shitting themselves and going for the first door that they see. Vanessa also gains new, scarier voice lines to indicate that she knows exactly where you are and is coming for you. Only when you shake Vanessa off your tail can you do the floor's puzzle... and you _better_ not let her see you again. Now THAT would be great. A great climax to an already tense-as-fuck chapter.
imo the puzzle looks really tedious to play. you have to time the light switches to turn on exactly when the snatcher clone comes by, and it looks like if you miss the timing, (I assume) you would have to wait for the snatcher clone to walk through the rooms once over again to get the key. the light switch puzzle would have slowed the pace of the game down to a crawl which isn't something I'd want to have in the tense horror mansion level. (Imagine waiting like ~20 seconds everytime you miss the light switch on the snatcher) I do agree with you that the level could have been reworked without the puzzle part though, the floor is pretty interesting.
I just had a nightmare about her where she just kinda grabbed me from under the piano, either that or she flipped the piano over. It sure was terrifying though .v,
To be fair, the third floor doesn't fit the theme of the level. It went from a stealth mission about choosing hiding spots and gathering pieces that will unlock more pieces to a cat and mouse game hunting a shadow. The dynamic completely shifts, and The Queen doesn't become a threat on the third floor until you have already obtained the objective. I appreciate it, and seeing Snatcher in the mansion was awesome, but it would have definitely felt out of place.
Apparently they where gonna change the puzzle again as a Screenshot exists, showing a bunch of red glowing eyes on the third floor coloring it violently red, however it's unknown what said puzzle would have done
I think that the devs tried to work in a bit of variation to the level and realized that they went too far, then tried to change it but ran out of time. Shame. It fits with Snatchers character but was a little bit too extreme. It would have been cool to see how the story changed if they just had a bit more time to fix it. Snatcher probably wouldn't have been the final boss and it might have been a mixture of all three. (Snatcher, Moonjumper, Queen Vanessa.) I always felt than Queen Vanessa was out of place and this confirmed my suspicions. She was meant to be more, but was left in due to issues with timing.
Nightzz Mixx yeeeeeah... I went into Subcon forest with a “Oh, the rest of the game is cheery so this- oh my...” so of course I get to the manor, and then Vanessa appears, and I died just about 30 times in the room with the piano. Most of it was fear induced panic.
I love the idea of a hall that's blocked because a phantom is imitating your movements so perfectly that you can't get through but I think having it be the snatcher is a terrible idea. If they'd had it just be a phantom imitating your movements & nothing more, they could've changed the lever puzzle to involve turning off lights to give yourself a dark path to go through because shadows can't exist in total darkness. As a result, you could've been forced to make an entire area super dark so you'd have to sneak past Vanessa in advanced darkness in the kind of room that's basically multiple rooms in one so there are no doors. Only doorless doorways & archways & such so you'd have to be more clever about hiding when Vanessa notices you. But, when you get the final key, the lights come back on so Vanessa sees the phantom. So she knows exactly where you are & your only hope is to run for the exit.
+Zaxton Hong I don't know how hard modding is but I've heard Vanessa's really hard to work with when modding because she was only designed for the context in which she was used. Maybe, it'll get easier when the modding tools improve though. Regardless, some other people & I talked about Vanessa idea at the link below. steamcommunity.com/app/253230/discussions/1/1489992713709159959/
I was scared but couldn't be bothered to see what the shortcut was so I just watched a playthrouth of it so I knew what to do still scared the shit out of me though
@@apocalypse_march1499 I know, the amount of times I've seen it on the internet lead me to the "famous" part, and the language it's in lead me to "anime quote".
Hmm. I can kinda see why it was cut, or at least, why one'd feel it uneeded. The first two floors are great in just being a tense "try to find the key and get out before she catches you". Having an entire "catch this guy while she keeps repeating lines but doesn't appear" segment in the middle feels it would just bloat it. That said, remove that and have the third floor just be "try to find the key while she chases you AND it's all dark" from the start would probably have worked instead.
@Papadripopoulos - "Catch this guy while she keeps repeating lines but doesn't appear". Um, she does appear on the third floor. After you catch the guy, you find out Vanessa's followed you upstairs, and then you have to make a run for it because she's right around the corner and stalking you through the rooms.
The Tale of Queen Vanessa. Once upon a time, there was a princess and a prince who're in love. But one day, while taking a stroll around town, Vanessa finds the prince holding hands with another girl, and she did not take it lightly. Heartbroken, Vanessa assumed that the prince broke up with her, and stormed out of the town crying, unaware that the prince was actually buying flowers for Vanessa from the girl. When he arrives back, he tries to give the flowers to her and explain the situation, but Vanessa was too heartbroken to listen, and her anger and jealousy transformed her into a terrifying shadow monster. The prince was then locked up in the basement, and overcome with grief, he would eventually transform into the Snatcher.
Imagine a sort of boss fight type thing where you almost get the time piece and then Vanessa comes in and shakes you down. You jump from the window and you land outside but the mansion has expanded. And all of the ice statues come to life with the same effects as Vanessa but with there own voice (with same voice effects as Vanessa and same personality too. Just you know more scary) and you have to get threw the entire mansion again just bigger and scarier with more treats galore. I would LOVE that.
Dominic Coccia honestly sounds outta place. The frozen characters you see in her manor were originally gonna be characters that’d actually interact with you but were cut out. And it really would take out the whole “horror-ish hiding-from-a-hunter-level” to an anticlimactic chase or whatever you wanted to describe. I personally just don’t think it’d fit in.
I can see why they removed the final floor, it did go on a little long. And in the final game, it would be in addition to the path leading to the mansion. Neat ideas, but ultimately no place for them. Also- oh no she got the Conductor. That's unfortunate. Also makes me wonder what his role in the beta would've been.
@@sealy1In the final game there are actually some unused beta characters that can be seen frozen in the manor. So in the final game they do have lore, here they do not
@HyruleChosenOne When I asked one of the devs why the third floor was cut, they completely avoided my question and one of them was like - "Don't spoil the game for anyone!!" Fuck those guys.
My biggest take-away from this is that it looks as though the dweller's mask used to not be a "here, have half a second to do things that take several seconds" deal.
If you time it well, using the badge that reduces mask cooldowns you can actually use the Dweller Mask indefinitely (at least in the game as it is as of this post). If you jump just before it wears off you can stall for enough time with just a double-jump in place for the reduced cooldown to come back up before you land. You just gotta learn the timing for how long it lasts so you can be sure to time the jump right as it wears off.
I guess this floor was removed because: The puzzle is so much complicated and boring, The MoonJumper was removed, so then the Snatcher wouldn't have what to do in the Manor, Snatcher is the Prince, so why would he return to the local of his death? This is everyone rated, and make a ten minute horror levels for kids wouldn't be cool, Why would Snatcher try to make your work more difficult, if you're working for him? No, a giant manor with only two floors don't make sense, but this floor would mess with the chapter story
Not always mod can fix what's broken. It seems to be very challenging aka frustrating so that's why they did cut it out. For some reason i don't understand that point because games like Mario and Crash Bandicoot were frustrating challenging. Like time trials and no deaths.
The devs stated that they wanted modders to have free reign over their game, so it's likely the third floor will at least be added to the manor by modders. Plus the third floor already exists. You're arguing over why modders shouldn't add that, though some might enjoy that frustration. Choice is always better than no choice.
anyone notice that at 4:00 you can see the picture of the prince's face is blank, but after you use the balloon and go back to the nursery there's something drawn on his face
+ Drink Bleach Right? And did you ever notice Vanessa knows the intruder is a child? You can tell from her dialogue with phrases like little one & all that talk of cookies & Hide & Seek.
Maybe this isn't Hat Kid's first visit to the manor? I mean, the whole game, she's trying to RETURN home from somewhere. Surely, she would have passed close to that same solar system on the way TO that somewhere. Maybe it was a different time of day the first time, so she didn't pass over Mafia Town. I think Hat Kid may have somehow been part of the cause for Vanessa's "Prince" leaving her. Perhaps Hat Kid went on an adventure before A Hat in Time, and inadvertently caused the separation as part of a sidequest or something.
Its an interesting idea but im glad it was cut. It looks tedious and its not entirely clear what you have to do to the snatcher copy when he nabs the key. I thought you'd have to get him once with each light trap but you could just use the same one three times. Still, wouldve loved a revamp or redesign. Wouldve been interesting to see how the snatcher reacts when Vanessa catches him in the same room if that was possible. Also as a side note the story of these two is pretty damn sad. I didnt realise first time through the game that the prince was buying flowers and not holding another girls hands. And as a final note, who was the moonjumper? Anybody know?
I feel like this theme could have been used to defeat Vanessa. Lure her into the light and she gets way weaker, lure her again, then maybe she starts running away from you, and finally push her into a final light beam and she agrees to let you in the attic (or Snatcher comes in and takes her out). Heck, turn her into Jalhalla and make a boss out of it!
The moonjumper was the prince in the beta build, but they couldn't fit him into the final game. To fix the plot hole they shifted it to make snatcher the prince. Apparently the original story for this chapter was snatcher, moonjumper, and venessa all fighting to control subcon forest.
@@rosykindbunny1313 fun fact: the "war" between the three might have been like the sistem for the battle of the birds, where you have to do missions for everyone
I feel like if you cut out the pursuit part of the 3rd floor (just turn on the light in the main hall, which prompts an edited version of the Snatcher dialogue, but turning on the light also summons Vanessa, so now you have to find the key while she pursues you), it would work in the released game, but oh well. As it was, the third floor was a bit bloated, but I feel like it's by far the most discomforting part of the Manor, at the same time, and it's a shame it wasn't in the released version.
I think Snatcher's shadow concept would've been really cool, same with Moonjumper and being stuck in the horizon. Sadly I think they scrapped them since they had to remove the 3rd floor so Snatcher became the Prince instead of the Moonjumper :/
Man. That third floor section actually looks scary Though I can see why they wanted to change it. The whole chasing around the key is too bothersome Too bad they couldn't change it in time
I just hope that they'll release a DLC which adds this back into the game, plus something behind the heavily-locked door other than the cheese wheel with the words "SOD OFF" written on it.
I understand why the third floor and moon jumper were cut, but now it doesn't make much sense why the snatcher would send hat kid there. I guess maybe to mess with Vanessa since they're now enemies?
Anyone know why the floor got cut? I didn't even know it did, but the level FELT like it was missing something, which you NEVER want to have happen with cut content, especially when it's already built.
My guess? Apart from the whole "this didn't seem to fit with the rest of the level" angle mentioned elsewhere, the story of that world had changed to the point where Snatcher antagonizing you no longer made any sense. After all, the reason you're there now is because he CONTRACTED you to investigate the place. That means they'd need to rework the entire premise just to approximate the old level.
ShadwSonic The floor is still in the game and it almost have everything from the beta still, with a few things missing. They could’ve revamped the puzzle or reuse the floor but they decided to scrap it entirely along the moon jumper
Now It just seems short and almost unfinished. Maybe because I'm so used to the old variant?... Also, where is the Moon Jumper? I'm guessing they cut him (it?) as well.
yeah. if you do a bit of stretching and exaggeration (mostly on the face) for the final pic of the chained prince, then i could see where the snatcher's design came from. plus the prince was studying law, so that could explain his fixation on contracts. and clauses.
And also, How is Conductor even iced? Like, why would he even visit the Manor? He also appears on the end Of the game again, maybe Conductor have other brothers that falled in Snatcher's trap like Hat Kid and failed in Queen Vanessa part?
1:38 it would be impossible for me to survive that level with that noise, since those noises make me feel distressed and more scared than i should be, though just hearing it from a video isn't as scary.
Apparently the third floor was cut because the developers didn’t like how the puzzle worked on it, and they didn’t have enough time to change it. So they just cut it entirely. Shadow kid is a playable character now thanks to the Seal The Deal dlc :D
To me is inverse,I would feel scared and trying to find the solutions of that level,that's why I watch the gameplay and then start the job,so I certificate myself there's nothing like those Pizza Time animatronics(jumpscares and scream showing the enemy face loud and clear)
Oh I always wondered why it felt short whenever I played Queen Venessa’s Manor (my favourite btw) I always had a feeling that something was Missing I’m sure the Third Floor held so much more info about Venessa and her prince(who I’m assuming is Snatcher)
I saw one of your now deleted comment about the beta, every pre-orders had access to it actually! They gave us Beta Steam keys but sadly we can't replay it now since the Beta became the Full Game
If they kept the floor but made into a chase segment away from Vanessa it would be pretty cool, maybe with her locking the door behind you so you have to find a way out as she intentionally traps you in It would also make you plan on how you would move around the floor, once you learn the rooms, so you can get the key on time and leave
I talked with one of the devs and he mentioned that they wanted to include the 3rd floor but they thought it was too confusing for players then it was eventually scrapped but some rooms are still there just not reachable
Honestly, if I was Hat Kid, I would just take the cookies and leave.
you're right
Well then no soul for you he gonna eat it and no home ether
When i played the nw hat in time this level scared me to death
@@innerlighttherapeutics5094 playing on a mod of fps camera will make it more scray
Yea
One of the devs told me they wanted to redesign the third floor's section but didn't have time
FlameLFH I heard there doing DLCs. Hopefully this Level is one of them.
ah this makes sense. i do hope they are able to release an updated version of this floor that they can be happy with as an official mod or something. The manor is awesome but felt a little short, i can see why they'd be unhappy with this segment as it is currently, but it just looks really cool and i'd love to see it in the game lol
Hi flame
+Lisa Barnes You heard it wrong.
+LockPic Then where's the proof about that? Clearly on Shesez channel, uploader gave accurate infos about why it won't happen.
oh so thats why the manor felt so short after the second floor
something did get cut
TheGraveyarder well I'm glad. Any part of the stage scares the carp outta me
I mean its not real so it shouldn't be scary if you get scared because if a game and you feel like something gonna pop out at you just say it cant hurt me if it's not real unless its a mental hurt in which case get a physiatrist
There tried to remake it before release but then didn't have time
Super Kirby 24 but again,u can use the short cut between the two barrels
The Ghostly Marshadow Dude, Just Saying “It’s Not Real” Doesn’t make it not scary, A Disturbing Image Made In Photoshop May Scare Someone, And still saying it’s not real, doesn’t take away the initial Shock and Scare Of it
8:33 Hat Kid opens the door and is like "NOPE!" and closes it again
Yup I was like that
Its In the programming, she does that in The finał.
I was just playing the game and looked in the hallway from the kid’s room to see Vanessa just standing at the door.
Hat kid be like:nvm
@@justafrogw1041LMFAO
Hmm, so based on Dev comments and other details dug up it looks like the Subcon forest was supposed to be in a turf war between Snatcher, Moonjumper, and Queen Vanessa with each one wanting to own the whole thing.
Moonjumper was also supposed to be the Prince after his imprisonment but due to issues with flow he was eventually cut from the finished product. While his design was cool and the concept was solid the third floor just didn't flow right and while the Devs tried to rework it before release the time just wasn't there. With the setup as it was it just made more sense to cut out one of the three and Moonjumper was least developed at that point.
As a result the Snatcher's role was expanded as the defacto ruler of Subcon forest and the former prince, while Queen Vanessa had her own little private place that nobody else was brave or crazy enough to visit. But her effect on the forest is far great as she is the apparent source of messed up magic that has the entire place haunted.
6611nitro Sounds about right. Thanks for the info!
the moonjumper was actually cut pretty early on from what I gathered.
Turf war.
*SPLATATATATATATA-*
Sooo Chapter Two then.
Yea and thank god he was this story is very interesting and snatcher and vanessa had a thing and basically doing the same thing in there after life or something WOW i hope they make more content of the tale of queen vanessa and ween i see this level i feel that i need to turn the lights on. And some thing holy by my side
man, if queen venessa could be abled to enter rooms more than twice, this would be quite the different situation
Yeah, I can sort of understand why they would cut this. It looks like chasing the Snatcher around is too frustrating and just takes too long, which kills the creepy mood.
I do not mean to complain, but I kinda liked Snatcher's old 2d design.
After all he's a shadow...
Yes I find it cool, too!
He seemed more expressive.
I found it so cool too! I wish they kept it, but the 3D design is still amazing.
The thing is how would you fight a 2d snatcher? It would have been a very different fight from the one we know and love.
Why the fricc are there so many frozen Conductors in the manor
Because he makes a really n-ice piece of furnishing!
Because the Conductor is special.
There used to be more than one conductor in the beta and no DJ Grooves at all
edit: turns out that grooves was a minor character in the prototype - beta period
They would be placeholders. Now some scrapped characters take the place of the many conductora in the manor.
King Dedede-Pose
Vanessa has a crush on him
I think the third floor should've been kept, but remove Snatcher, and Vanessa comes in immediately after you do, and she actively chases you at a speed only slightly slower than you until you can enter & exit a room quickly enough to where Vanessa doesn't see which door you exited through. It's timed so she's RIGHT on your ass at the beginning and a player without prior knowledge of the level would be shitting themselves and going for the first door that they see. Vanessa also gains new, scarier voice lines to indicate that she knows exactly where you are and is coming for you. Only when you shake Vanessa off your tail can you do the floor's puzzle... and you _better_ not let her see you again.
Now THAT would be great. A great climax to an already tense-as-fuck chapter.
And it's already discouraged me enough from playing that chapter
imo the puzzle looks really tedious to play. you have to time the light switches to turn on exactly when the snatcher clone comes by, and it looks like if you miss the timing, (I assume) you would have to wait for the snatcher clone to walk through the rooms once over again to get the key. the light switch puzzle would have slowed the pace of the game down to a crawl which isn't something I'd want to have in the tense horror mansion level. (Imagine waiting like ~20 seconds everytime you miss the light switch on the snatcher)
I do agree with you that the level could have been reworked without the puzzle part though, the floor is pretty interesting.
oyah they probably would have to remove the Snatcher clone because his rework would remove Snatcher.
and then you deliver some mail
fun times
I just had a nightmare about her where she just kinda grabbed me from under the piano, either that or she flipped the piano over. It sure was terrifying though .v,
Honestly I really like the idea of Snatcher appearing as kind of a shadow projected on the walls tbh. It's cool
To be fair, the third floor doesn't fit the theme of the level.
It went from a stealth mission about choosing hiding spots and gathering pieces that will unlock more pieces to a cat and mouse game hunting a shadow. The dynamic completely shifts, and The Queen doesn't become a threat on the third floor until you have already obtained the objective. I appreciate it, and seeing Snatcher in the mansion was awesome, but it would have definitely felt out of place.
Thats the entire reason it got cut.
TanookiCom I was told this was the floor where you really witness the queen’s descent into madness. I must have heard wrong.
Apparently they where gonna change the puzzle again as a Screenshot exists, showing a bunch of red glowing eyes on the third floor coloring it violently red, however it's unknown what said puzzle would have done
I think that the devs tried to work in a bit of variation to the level and realized that they went too far, then tried to change it but ran out of time. Shame. It fits with Snatchers character but was a little bit too extreme. It would have been cool to see how the story changed if they just had a bit more time to fix it. Snatcher probably wouldn't have been the final boss and it might have been a mixture of all three. (Snatcher, Moonjumper, Queen Vanessa.) I always felt than Queen Vanessa was out of place and this confirmed my suspicions. She was meant to be more, but was left in due to issues with timing.
@@meta527II no its the pink time rift
Heh the floor is actually still in the game if you noclip out of bounds. there was an easter egg left up there too.
Whats the easter egg? :o
Gilmore Mizzi in every level a dev left a cheese and if you ghost behind the locked up door on the 3rd floor you find it
How do you no clip?
type "enablecheats" and then "ghost" in the console
oh, thanks! How did you figure that out?
I just made it to this part tonight. Let's just say after my first death I went to bed...
Nightzz Mixx, there is a secret in the basement that takes you straight to the end.
Link Legend - Family Safe Gaming Seriously? Where at?
On between the furthest and middle barrels on the left side, crawl
edit: you don't need the key apparently
Xd same I kept going though
Nightzz Mixx yeeeeeah... I went into Subcon forest with a “Oh, the rest of the game is cheery so this- oh my...” so of course I get to the manor, and then Vanessa appears, and I died just about 30 times in the room with the piano. Most of it was fear induced panic.
I love the idea of a hall that's blocked because a phantom is imitating your movements so perfectly that you can't get through but I think having it be the snatcher is a terrible idea.
If they'd had it just be a phantom imitating your movements & nothing more, they could've changed the lever puzzle to involve turning off lights to give yourself a dark path to go through because shadows can't exist in total darkness.
As a result, you could've been forced to make an entire area super dark so you'd have to sneak past Vanessa in advanced darkness in the kind of room that's basically multiple rooms in one so there are no doors. Only doorless doorways & archways & such so you'd have to be more clever about hiding when Vanessa notices you.
But, when you get the final key, the lights come back on so Vanessa sees the phantom. So she knows exactly where you are & your only hope is to run for the exit.
D YellowMadness
Depending on how hard mods are to make, I will make this.
+Zaxton Hong I don't know how hard modding is but I've heard Vanessa's really hard to work with when modding because she was only designed for the context in which she was used. Maybe, it'll get easier when the modding tools improve though.
Regardless, some other people & I talked about Vanessa idea at the link below.
steamcommunity.com/app/253230/discussions/1/1489992713709159959/
@@zaxtonhong3958 did you end up doing it?
@@marcuseagle
Unfortunately no
@@zaxtonhong3958 agh, that sucks
I'm fine personally with this being left out. This level was horrifying and I didnt want to be there any longer than I had to.
you can be in it for 51 seconds if you use a shortcut
@@antanaskaleda1564 I'm really glad I used the shortcut. This level is TERRIFYING...
69 Noice
I was scared but couldn't be bothered to see what the shortcut was so I just watched a playthrouth of it so I knew what to do still scared the shit out of me though
Snatcher: You can't hurt a shadow!
HK: Holds blue potion.
Snatcher: Uhh, let's talk about this...
I mean, it’d just hit the wall so…
Every time Vanessa gets on screen I imagine omao wa mou shinderiu
What does that even translate to?
@@dapperboisnatcher8459 "You are already dead"
@@coolnineteenfourthreethreesix well. That's disturbing. Thanks!
@@dapperboisnatcher8459 it's a famous anime quote
@@apocalypse_march1499 I know, the amount of times I've seen it on the internet lead me to the "famous" part, and the language it's in lead me to "anime quote".
Hmm. I can kinda see why it was cut, or at least, why one'd feel it uneeded. The first two floors are great in just being a tense "try to find the key and get out before she catches you". Having an entire "catch this guy while she keeps repeating lines but doesn't appear" segment in the middle feels it would just bloat it.
That said, remove that and have the third floor just be "try to find the key while she chases you AND it's all dark" from the start would probably have worked instead.
@Papadripopoulos - "Catch this guy while she keeps repeating lines but doesn't appear".
Um, she does appear on the third floor. After you catch the guy, you find out Vanessa's followed you upstairs, and then you have to make a run for it because she's right around the corner and stalking you through the rooms.
That's my point though, she only appears after you've caught the key. It's a distraction.
3:03 i bet the conductor tried to steal the toy train
heh
haha...
*Oh no*
Hahaha...!
*wait*
So funny lassie hahahahaha
Wait a second...
Wow... he really likes trains.. hehehe
Oh no...
My guess why this floor was is that they Dropped the Moon Jumper concept when they couldn't fit him in with the flow smoothly
The floor actually remained used untill shortly before the release and there even was gonna be a new puzzle of some sort
You know, for kids!
You know, for kids!
That's... exactly what I said
If Gears for Breakfast wanted to copy games like Super Paper Mario and Luigi's mansion, they did it
NekoGamer 18 yeah, I'm not getting into that
*cough* 0u0
I liked when it was like:
"Its time to use the key!"
*Opens door*
Vanessa:
*closes door*
" *Okay I will use the key later* "
The Tale of Queen Vanessa. Once upon a time, there was a princess and a prince who're in love. But one day, while taking a stroll around town, Vanessa finds the prince holding hands with another girl, and she did not take it lightly. Heartbroken, Vanessa assumed that the prince broke up with her, and stormed out of the town crying, unaware that the prince was actually buying flowers for Vanessa from the girl. When he arrives back, he tries to give the flowers to her and explain the situation, but Vanessa was too heartbroken to listen, and her anger and jealousy transformed her into a terrifying shadow monster. The prince was then locked up in the basement, and overcome with grief, he would eventually transform into the Snatcher.
Lucas Behlke His version is the real version lol, the only part he missed was that Vanessa ordered her guards to lock him up where he would die
@@larrygaroth9773 don't lol me buddy. I don't know game lore like others.
Lucas Behlke I’m just saying that was the point of the comment
@@lucasbehlke6344
Get your fanfics outta here. Just because you're naive doesn't mean critizm isn't allowed.
@@WolzenTwo I have never used Fanfics in my life. I'll delete my comment then if that's what you want.
Snatcher: * Speaking to Hat Kid *
Vanessa in the background: *Tracking dirt into M y H o M e*
*OH, WHEN I FIND YOU…*
I just learned that this is the same voice actor for moustache girl
wait wha..
Lol I never would have known. I honestly can't hear it.
I can imagine mustache girl going "WHO'S THERE? WHO DARES ENTER MY HOME? IS IT THE MAFIA?"
@@theb2rd now that's how you do mustache girl
I mean, at least they put the model of Snatcher to use.
???
Snatcher was never unused.
He means the 2d one
2:02
Oh hello there conductor!
How the PECC did ya get frozen here when we all were in a movie with you just a bit ago?
Don't be afraid lassie it's not me
Imagine a sort of boss fight type thing where you almost get the time piece and then Vanessa comes in and shakes you down. You jump from the window and you land outside but the mansion has expanded. And all of the ice statues come to life with the same effects as Vanessa but with there own voice (with same voice effects as Vanessa and same personality too. Just you know more scary) and you have to get threw the entire mansion again just bigger and scarier with more treats galore. I would LOVE that.
Dominic Coccia honestly sounds outta place. The frozen characters you see in her manor were originally gonna be characters that’d actually interact with you but were cut out. And it really would take out the whole “horror-ish hiding-from-a-hunter-level” to an anticlimactic chase or whatever you wanted to describe. I personally just don’t think it’d fit in.
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1:38 TATICAL NUKE INCOMING
Queen Vanessa's logic: AHA! I SEE YOU!
Hat Kid: *goes into the piano room*
Queen Vanessa: where did she go?
2:02 that’s the conductor
Killer Games *sniff* Poor Senpai..
I can see why they removed the final floor, it did go on a little long. And in the final game, it would be in addition to the path leading to the mansion. Neat ideas, but ultimately no place for them.
Also- oh no she got the Conductor. That's unfortunate. Also makes me wonder what his role in the beta would've been.
I'm pretty sure the conductors are just placeholder sprites
I think the frozen statues don’t serve much of a lore purpose and are there for decoration.
@@sealy1In the final game there are actually some unused beta characters that can be seen frozen in the manor. So in the final game they do have lore, here they do not
@@KiiBon well I think they’re probably there to look cool
@@sealy1It's for atmosphere! ...AND to look cool...
Shame the floor with Snatcher got cut
It had a dark tone, I was disappointed to find out they cut it
@HyruleChosenOne When I asked one of the devs why the third floor was cut, they completely avoided my question and one of them was like - "Don't spoil the game for anyone!!" Fuck those guys.
They just told me "modders will do it"
You think thats disappointing? When you did the whole level and was about to get the time my PC crashed!
@HyrucleChosenOne Well at least they gave you some kind of answer (as awfully vague as that answer might have been anyway)
My biggest take-away from this is that it looks as though the dweller's mask used to not be a "here, have half a second to do things that take several seconds" deal.
If you time it well, using the badge that reduces mask cooldowns you can actually use the Dweller Mask indefinitely (at least in the game as it is as of this post). If you jump just before it wears off you can stall for enough time with just a double-jump in place for the reduced cooldown to come back up before you land. You just gotta learn the timing for how long it lasts so you can be sure to time the jump right as it wears off.
I guess this floor was removed because:
The puzzle is so much complicated and boring,
The MoonJumper was removed, so then the Snatcher wouldn't have what to do in the Manor,
Snatcher is the Prince, so why would he return to the local of his death?
This is everyone rated, and make a ten minute horror levels for kids wouldn't be cool,
Why would Snatcher try to make your work more difficult, if you're working for him?
No, a giant manor with only two floors don't make sense, but this floor would mess with the chapter story
Horror like this is fine for kids though. Also it's rated T.
@@pink1200 those DIRTY esrb PECK NECKS should peck out of our sight and peckin GET LOSTTTT
The horror was for people who arnt kids. If the horror wasnt there I'd feel like this game was targeted for kids, when really, it isnt.
@@perfectlyunnormal1063 The game is surely for everyone despite the cuteness,so glad kids can use the skip left by the devs,nothing is lost
Rated E for everyone!
I liked the snatcher better as a shadow on the walls
I'm hoping in the DLC that you revisit Subcon Forest and the manor, with the third floor there.
Sorry to break your hopes but that won't happen.They explained it why it was removed on Shesez channel.
Yeah I kinda realized that the moment I knew that the DLC worlds were already planned, but hey, mods are a thing.
Not always mod can fix what's broken.
It seems to be very challenging aka frustrating so that's why they did cut it out. For some reason i don't understand that point because games like Mario and Crash Bandicoot were frustrating challenging. Like time trials and no deaths.
The devs stated that they wanted modders to have free reign over their game, so it's likely the third floor will at least be added to the manor by modders. Plus the third floor already exists.
You're arguing over why modders shouldn't add that, though some might enjoy that frustration. Choice is always better than no choice.
Charcocoa
Sorry nope
anyone notice that at 4:00 you can see the picture of the prince's face is blank, but after you use the balloon and go back to the nursery there's something drawn on his face
It's Hat Kid that is on the picture :P
THAT'S EVEN WORSE VANESSA YOU CREEP
But still, it makes me wonder why Hat kid's picture is even there.
+ Drink Bleach Right? And did you ever notice Vanessa knows the intruder is a child? You can tell from her dialogue with phrases like little one & all that talk of cookies & Hide & Seek.
Maybe this isn't Hat Kid's first visit to the manor? I mean, the whole game, she's trying to RETURN home from somewhere. Surely, she would have passed close to that same solar system on the way TO that somewhere. Maybe it was a different time of day the first time, so she didn't pass over Mafia Town. I think Hat Kid may have somehow been part of the cause for Vanessa's "Prince" leaving her. Perhaps Hat Kid went on an adventure before A Hat in Time, and inadvertently caused the separation as part of a sidequest or something.
Its an interesting idea but im glad it was cut. It looks tedious and its not entirely clear what you have to do to the snatcher copy when he nabs the key. I thought you'd have to get him once with each light trap but you could just use the same one three times. Still, wouldve loved a revamp or redesign. Wouldve been interesting to see how the snatcher reacts when Vanessa catches him in the same room if that was possible.
Also as a side note the story of these two is pretty damn sad. I didnt realise first time through the game that the prince was buying flowers and not holding another girls hands.
And as a final note, who was the moonjumper? Anybody know?
I feel like this theme could have been used to defeat Vanessa. Lure her into the light and she gets way weaker, lure her again, then maybe she starts running away from you, and finally push her into a final light beam and she agrees to let you in the attic (or Snatcher comes in and takes her out). Heck, turn her into Jalhalla and make a boss out of it!
The moonjumper was the prince in the beta build, but they couldn't fit him into the final game. To fix the plot hole they shifted it to make snatcher the prince. Apparently the original story for this chapter was snatcher, moonjumper, and venessa all fighting to control subcon forest.
He was a cut character. As you probably know from watching this, he was supposed to be the former prince.
@@link_legend819 I would have loved a huge turf war.
@@rosykindbunny1313 fun fact: the "war" between the three might have been like the sistem for the battle of the birds, where you have to do missions for everyone
Hopefully through modding we can see this floor again
Tristan Morse well cheats that come whit the game allow you to go ther but thers nothing you can do there!
THAT'S WHAT MODDING IS FOR!
Kind of a shame. I kinda liked the shadow guy’s animation on the wall.
gavin gamer they remove but is still ingame, they dont have time for finish this
1:56 (keep paused)
Me: *sees frozen conducter*
Me: OH MY GOODNESS SENPAI!! NO!! *cri*
*AND HIS FROZEN BODY IS ALMOST EVERYWHERE IN THE MANOR*
Oh no youre a cringey fangirl--
I feel like if you cut out the pursuit part of the 3rd floor (just turn on the light in the main hall, which prompts an edited version of the Snatcher dialogue, but turning on the light also summons Vanessa, so now you have to find the key while she pursues you), it would work in the released game, but oh well. As it was, the third floor was a bit bloated, but I feel like it's by far the most discomforting part of the Manor, at the same time, and it's a shame it wasn't in the released version.
Did you know that the third floor was cut because it was deemed 'not fun' by the developers?
I still tend to forget this game has a few generally terrifying experiences.
Nothing competes with the fear of dying 5 minutes into Quality Time With Snatcher
3rd floor seemed boring..
I also dislike that they made the hookshot into a badge.
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?.... what?......😐
The hookshot was never a hat... so um... what you on...
Spirit Flame The hookshot was it's own thing. Look at the start of the video, when they go to the menu.
In the earlier version the umbrella have the hookshot attached
At least we have DLC coming up, so there could be a chance that the third floor will be included.
I think Snatcher's shadow concept would've been really cool, same with Moonjumper and being stuck in the horizon. Sadly I think they scrapped them since they had to remove the 3rd floor so Snatcher became the Prince instead of the Moonjumper :/
Man. That third floor section actually looks scary
Though I can see why they wanted to change it. The whole chasing around the key is too bothersome
Too bad they couldn't change it in time
4:26 who tuch the painting?
I really like the idea of getting the mask from the attic, and the way it works.
Kinda glad they changed her walking animation.
I love how the dweller mask is in this one
i think the heavily guarded door was where she kept the prince
I just hope that they'll release a DLC which adds this back into the game, plus something behind the heavily-locked door other than the cheese wheel with the words "SOD OFF" written on it.
I understand why the third floor and moon jumper were cut, but now it doesn't make much sense why the snatcher would send hat kid there. I guess maybe to mess with Vanessa since they're now enemies?
OMG 2D SNATCHER IS SO COOL
THE THIRD FLOOR LOOKS AWESOME
I LOVE SNATCHER BEING THE WAY HE IS NOW BUT THIS IS AMAZING
Anyone know why the floor got cut? I didn't even know it did, but the level FELT like it was missing something, which you NEVER want to have happen with cut content, especially when it's already built.
because nobody seemed to enjoy the puzzle sadly
My guess? Apart from the whole "this didn't seem to fit with the rest of the level" angle mentioned elsewhere, the story of that world had changed to the point where Snatcher antagonizing you no longer made any sense. After all, the reason you're there now is because he CONTRACTED you to investigate the place. That means they'd need to rework the entire premise just to approximate the old level.
ShadwSonic The floor is still in the game and it almost have everything from the beta still, with a few things missing. They could’ve revamped the puzzle or reuse the floor but they decided to scrap it entirely along the moon jumper
Rip Mafia In Closet
it was very sad
Fact if you slow down Vanessa‘s voice lines when she chases you she would sound like a race car!
5:12 what the-? I don’t remember this! This wasn’t here!
Great, I didn't know there was a third floor in the BETA version, I love this game
Even more crazy is that it's still in the game but it just goes unused
i don't know if they've removed it completely since
It will be that at some point they will add it again but this time, more updated
4:34
So we're they originally planning to kill the conductor?
Now It just seems short and almost unfinished. Maybe because I'm so used to the old variant?... Also, where is the Moon Jumper? I'm guessing they cut him (it?) as well.
It seems like it sadly also his theme was remixed and is now used for "The Badge Seller"
I think it's now implied that the Snatcher used to be the prince instead which honestly makes a LOT more sense
I don't want to spoil anything, but the Subcon time rift might confirm your suspicion.
i've already finished the game, and the photos at the end of the purple rift are what i'm referring to
yeah. if you do a bit of stretching and exaggeration (mostly on the face) for the final pic of the chained prince, then i could see where the snatcher's design came from. plus the prince was studying law, so that could explain his fixation on contracts. and clauses.
I get that when Vanessa gets you you turn to ice
But how is the conductor iced twice? On the main floor and on the second floor iced?
Totally not Spookwagen Maybe they are the Conductor’s (grand)kids?
And also, How is Conductor even iced? Like, why would he even visit the Manor? He also appears on the end Of the game again, maybe Conductor have other brothers that falled in Snatcher's trap like Hat Kid and failed in Queen Vanessa part?
I Am Pretty Sure He Is A Place Holder
He was use as a placeholder model
I Can Awnser That.
Because A Hat In Time.
2:07: Hat kid: *goes into the room*
*intense music starts playing*
Hat Kid: nope im not going in there
I like how the mask use to just jump onto your face instead of you creating it.
If the camera is behind the wall in the attic, you can use the camera badge to see the third floor and almost of its assets.
1:38 it would be impossible for me to survive that level with that noise, since those noises make me feel distressed and more scared than i should be, though just hearing it from a video isn't as scary.
Put some LiveSplit window and you'll be not scared
Hat kid: *trying to beat the stage*
Snatcher: woah there buddy
rest in piece coductor 4:26
Snatcher once you have already met him and fallen into his trap the second time he seams very calm
They changed alot in the final game... Besides the removal of the 3rd floor they also changed how you get hats and how the dwellers mask works
Jeez, this was originally in the game? Kids would crap themselves even more if they kept the third floor.
Mario 64 to Luigi's Mansion??
And I'll admit, this section actually scared me the first time I saw it...
She's still terrifying!
I can’t believe you played my favorite game
Apparently the third floor was cut because the developers didn’t like how the puzzle worked on it, and they didn’t have enough time to change it. So they just cut it entirely. Shadow kid is a playable character now thanks to the Seal The Deal dlc :D
I really like this version better than the final version we got tbh...
1:56
"HELP ME LASSIE YA PECK NECK!"
Dude I have insane anxiety and I'm not scared of this.
I think my anxiety gives me some advantages.
To me is inverse,I would feel scared and trying to find the solutions of that level,that's why I watch the gameplay and then start the job,so I certificate myself there's nothing like those Pizza Time animatronics(jumpscares and scream showing the enemy face loud and clear)
8:34 very minor jumpscare.
TH-cam put this video on my home page just now, and there must a lot of mods that you can see the game's cut content
I loved watching people play this part of the game
Oh I always wondered why it felt short whenever I played Queen Venessa’s Manor (my favourite btw) I always had a feeling that something was Missing I’m sure the Third Floor held so much more info about Venessa and her prince(who I’m assuming is Snatcher)
I saw one of your now deleted comment about the beta, every pre-orders had access to it actually! They gave us Beta Steam keys but sadly we can't replay it now since the Beta became the Full Game
9:14 what could be behind that door?
If they kept the floor but made into a chase segment away from Vanessa it would be pretty cool, maybe with her locking the door behind you so you have to find a way out as she intentionally traps you in
It would also make you plan on how you would move around the floor, once you learn the rooms, so you can get the key on time and leave
A lil Snatcher version of hat kid! Cute!
I guess they cut it because they thought: “eh, they probably are already scared enough, let’s end it early for them! Because we’re not assholes”
I talked with one of the devs and he mentioned that they wanted to include the 3rd floor but they thought it was too confusing for players then it was eventually scrapped but some rooms are still there just not reachable
I love this type of stuff for a game
I really want this in the game!
I love the Dweller's mask. It can help you do anything that can be done by a bell if there is no bell.
DUDE WHEN HE STOLE THE KEY AND TOOK YOUR FORM I STARTED SQUEELING HE’S SO T I N Y
I bet you can't sleep after seeing Queen Vanessa.
Queen Vanessa still makes me freeze up to this day
Oh my goodness snatcher was in it?!
R.I.P Conductor He Losed Or Winned But Vanessa Got Him Chapter 2-Chapter 3 Act 4
I can only imagine how hard it must be for Snatcher to visit every time...