Skeptics Wrongly Claim Apostle Paul Didn’t Know Jesus
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- What Paul the Apostle knew about Jesus is important if for no other reason than the dismantle poor arguments against the resurrection of Christ. This is a systematic look at what historical details Paul had about Jesus so that we can rule out the idea that Paul didn't know of a historical Jesus or that Paul was merely making things up as he went along.
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When you study Paul's writings, its kinda weird to realize that he had to deal with Christian cults very similar to what we have today. He actually deals with most of the same false teachings with what is taught now including prosperity teachings and the groups that indulge in physical excess.
Good observation.
Sadly ...it was paul who created those problems and churches in the first place ...no false teaching works ...who is surpised paul initiated cultish things wherever he taught?
@@stevenvanvuuren8394 I can't follow. What exactly ist your claim, and can you substantiate it? (Otherwise: nevermind. Literally.)
@@KaoXoni what I think Steven is saying is that most Christian denominations come from Pauline letters and taught as doctrine of God. Pentecostals with tongues(Corinthians), Baptist once saved always saved (Ephesians/Hebrews), predestination (Romans), and the list keeps going… seek and you will find.
@@TheShutterbug1968 Most of "tongues" is actually in Acts, which was written by Luke. Hebrews wasn't written by Paul either. And Romans doesn't support predestination. What else?
People really tripped me up with their accusations about Paul. It really hurt my spirit & walk with God, and before you knew it...I had stopped reading the New Testament. I didn’t want to learn about spiritual warfare or anything Paul taught (I actually really loved reading Paul’s letters before!) I even became afraid to say the name of Jesus. I started doubting Jesus & who He claimed to be! I had just began my walk with God back in July, and wasn’t strong enough to stand firm when the deceivers & accusers came. It took me a very long time to recover from it. I have been back into the NT since, doing all that I can to eat it all up. I don’t believe our Heavenly Father would allow Paul’s epistles into His Holy Book for thousands of years if he was a false teacher or ravenous wolf. God is too good & His will is that not one perish.
Maybe you should try reading psalm 119 and then the gospels. Blessings
Paul had the position being the primary position as aposaleit to the gentiles. Peter being the primary apos
I know Jami, Right? No doubt.
It's about time that we warn and inoculate our young disciples against the kind of doctrinal crazy-making you described. It's spiritual gaslighting, basically. Very sneaky, very effective in stunting a believer's growth.
But the Holy Spirit within the believer should be our wittness. You were led here for a reason, probably for assurance
The Most High said trust NO MAN. HE also said cursed is one who trust in man . JEREMIAH 17:5
Obey Chist. Thats it.
Jeremiah 17:5 was written by a man and thus you are trusting a man.
Who being a man could be lying.
The hypocrisy stinks.
Let's check and see how many quotes Paul has of Jesus. Tell us mr Winger.
He has exactly 1, and it's virtually irrelevant 😂
@@FDroid01 haha, yes it is so sad. Jesus said to abide in His word. If people and pastors knew Jesus words they would be able to see the error of Paul’s words.
Give exact examples of “errors” in Paul’s words
@@clintfogie2967 here is a good start;
Paul's Contradictions of Jesus
• Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok.
• Jesus Says The Law Continues, But Paul Says No.
• Paul Says The Pharisees Followed The Law Rigorously, But Jesus Says They Were Lax About The Law.
• Jesus Says Salvation Initiates And Continues By Repentance From Sin and Obedience Besides Faith; Paul Says This is Heresy.
• Jesus Tells Apostles To Teach His Commands Given Prior to His Ascension While In The Flesh, But Paul Says Not To Do So.
• Paul Says Elders Are Entitled To Pay for 'Preaching & Teaching,' But Jesus Says No.
• Jesus Teaches There Are Only 12 Apostles Into Eternity, But Paul Adds Himself To The List As a Thirteenth.
• Paul Exhorts Celibacy, But Jesus Clearly Says It is A Choice Not Within Everyone's Power.
• Jesus Says There Is One Pastor and Teacher (Himself), But Paul Tells Church He is a Teacher, & There Are Many Pastors and Teachers.
• Paul Says God Is The God of the Dead, But Jesus Says God Is Not The God of the Dead.
• Paul Says God Does Not Live in Temples Made of Human Hands, But Jesus Says He Does.
• Jesus says Nations Of The World Are Under Satan, But Paul Says Its Rulers Are Agents of God.
• Jesus Teaches Rapture is Of Evil Ones First, But Paul Teaches The Opposite.
• Jesus Says A Call Is Revocable, But Paul Says It Is Irrevocable.
• Jesus Says Some Are Righteous, But Paul Says It Is Impossible.
• Paul Excludes Eating With Sinners But Christ's Example We Are To Follow, and the Lost Sheep Parable, Is Contrary.
• Paul Teaches We Are Eternally Secure, But Jesus Teaches Insecurity to a Sinning Believer.
• Paul Teaches In Original Sin But Jesus Contradicts.
• Paul Denies Obedience Grants Any Righteousness Unto Life, But Jesus & Exodus 20:6 Both Says It Does.
• Jesus Sends The Apostles to Baptize, But Paul Says Jesus Did Not Send Him to Baptize.
• Jesus Says Only the Merciful Receive Mercy, But Paul Says Only Those God Chooses Arbitrarily Will Receive Mercy.
• Paul Says Salvation Does Not Depend Upon Exertion, But Jesus Says It Does.
• Paul Says He Could Be Justified of The Sin that Never Could be Justified under the Law given Moses (Blasphemy), but Jesus says to the contrary that it is The Unpardonable Sin.
• Paul Says Flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God, but Jesus in Flesh ascended to heaven, and promises to resurrect our bodies likewise to the Kingdom of the New Jerusalem, giving us the same physical resurrection that Jesus had.
Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok
Saul is probably a disciple, no doubt, but he isn't an apostle. There are twelve apostles. Fact.
If I lie to glorify God, how does that make me a sinner?
What is the actual answer to that question?
And why would God rely on Liars to glorify him?
Sincerely asking.
"In Him there is no guile!"
Very good question...John 8:44 Satan is the father of the lie. Reject Paul, Follow Jesus
@@TheShutterbug1968 I like your answers, FOLLOW JESUS! an apostle of Jesus said if someone says I follow Jesus, then he must walk like Jesús walked!
@@juanguzmanhernandez3946 amen! And no where does John say to abide in Paul’s word;
1 John 2:5-6 NKJV
But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. [6] He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
@@TheShutterbug1968Paul tells me to follow Jesus so I don’t have any reason to reject him.
Sloppy! - the title of the vlog is "Paul Didn't Know Jesus" but you immediately launch into "Paul Didn't Know ABOUT Jesus". This is a completely different issue. Paul did not know Jesus (ie never met in the flesh) but he certainly knew about Jesus, and later even claimed to have seen him in some sort of vision. Paul's vision (or whatever it was - the Bible accounts differ in some detail) is the only first-hand account in the Bible of someone encountering the risen Jesus. The Gospels are at best 2nd-hand accounts - which is probably why they suffer from the usual coherency problems with reported events. Nevertheless, I do admire the energy and enthusiasm you devote to defending Christianity and trying to fit Biblical square pegs into round holes. Most pastors and preachers avoid the issues and opt for the easy life by just cherry-picking Bible verses that they know their followers want to hear.
I dont yhink it is second hand
The book of Acts you see where Paul met Jesus.. the vision in 2 conrinthians is different that the initial Jesus encounter... Just like Paul seen Jesus. Muslims, Hindus and many more have seen Jesus in visions. Left their Religion to follow Jesus. And are being killed for it..
Don't forget paul spent time with Peter for many months and learned about Jesus's life on earth. All through his epistles Paul is in direct line with Jesus Teachings. Jesus affirmed him so should we
@@334Emanuel You say Paul was in direct line with Jesus teachings but many of the the early Christian-Jew sects of the 1st and 2nd century (e.g. Ebionites, Gnostics etc) did not agree with Paul's interpretation of who Jesus was and his teachings. Paul even argued with James the Just (head of the Jerusalem church and Jesus brother) and Peter over various points of doctrine (eg Mosaic law, circumcision, faith vs works etc) . Paul seemed to spend most of his letter-writing doggedly trying to persuade the wider diaspora to adopt his version of Christianity and ignore the others. For a time Paul's teachings were considered heretical and it wasn't until the 3rd century that the Pauline version of Christianity started to dominate and gradually become reflected in which writings/gospels were selected to be included in the New Testament canon. The idea that there was one holistic, integrated Christian doctrine from the beginning is a fallacy.
@@waywed Gnostics were skeptics of God.. ebionites were some what not saved.. many people disagree with Paul. But Paul followed Christ... look through the scripture Mike winger mentioned.. compare them.. read Galatians and see where Paul went to live with Peter for many months to learn about Jesus life on earth..that's no different from a non Believers finally See Jesus as he is. Becomes converted, and read the Gospels to learn about Jesus. Then the rest of the Bible to see how it all glorifies Jesus from Genesis to Revelations.. its all in there..
Also...... hit me up on IG jeston.bible.believer
@@334Emanuel Peter may have taught Paul a great deal about Jesus, however Paul developed his own ideas of what a true follower of Jesus should be - to the extent he and Peter were in opposition (Galatians 2:11). The story of 1st century Christianity with all its sects, squabblings, and the later "cherry-picking"of writings that supported Pauline Christianity for inclusion in the canon, gives me no confidence in the accuracy of Christian doctrine as generally accepted today. In fact, the more I read about early Christians the less credible divine inspiration of the New Testament canon seems to be.
Mike Winger, Paul never knew Jesus personally. He had a daydream about Jesus, and that's all.
I think that to really mount a cogent argument you need to not simply show where the epistles talk about Jesus but how Paul actually knew these things since he never met the person Jesus.
I had something like this happen today I have never heard anyone question Paul not legitimately being an apostle before. Crazy!
yes, but actually it has happened from the book of Acts and throughout the next 2000 years. President Jefferson believed Paul was a false apostle.
@@TheShutterbug1968 idc what thomas jefferson belived because hes only a man and some of our founding fathers were freemasons no disrespect to you though 🤙
@@shawn-wr8ux Exactly my point my. Paul was just a man like Jefferson and yet he is elevated above Jesus.
If Paul was an apostle then apostles still exist, anyone can have a similar experience as Paul if you didn't have to walk with him before the resurrection.
@@paulwise6856 Correct, it is blatantly clear that Paul did not know Jesus when he was on earth. None of the evidence presented attests to the claim that Paul knew Jesus personally in his earthly ministry. Paul knew Jesus through his visions of him ONLY. He may have known about Jesus through his limited interaction with Jesus' disciples but never knew him personally.
To the last question... The actions of Jesus in the temple were righteous indignation. He had to make a point, but couldn't sugar coat it, or they wouldn't have taken Him seriously.
Thank you Mike for your servant's heart! Love your teachings! Got a off topic question. What software/websites are you using to produce your TH-cam videos? Are you doing the split screens post production? Any help would be greatly appreciated! I teach at a homeless ministry and we are recording the teachings and would love to upload the videos.
Acts 26:14 [...] it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
This saying "it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks" is a quote from a Greek God within a Greek play from 406 BC.
Jesus would have never quoted wisdom from an Idol from a Greek play.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
John 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Paul was probably an ambitious person and trying hard to convince the pagans lol
It's amazing how little details that I've probably never given a second thought to when reading the word are still consistent with and supportive of the truth of Jesus' resurrection!
Thats because Paul wrote down what was being said about Jesus, the oral traditions was around way before it was made in to a book so this proves nothing but that he heard stories from others.
Paul the deceiver
Thank you Brother. This topic has weighed heavy on my heart.
Great summary. Also let's remember the power of the holy spirit to give knowledge. Paul being filled with the holy spirit also got knowledge.... not just Paul but all apostles and till today to all that God pleases to give knowledge. Amen
Don't you think Paul's Holy Spirit would have been able to talk to the apostles before his trial? Rather than telling him correctly that they would not believe him? Deut 13: 1-5
@@FDroid01repent of such lies. One day I tell you you shall close your eyes and see your dead body from above before your spirit is taken away to face truth your now mocking. At this stage however your mockery will end. Repent therefore
@@platzhirsch4275 Can you read Deut 13 for me and tell me what you think?
Do you really think that THIS came from Yahuah???
For Paul Said, "That which I Speak is According to MY GOSPEL, I do NOT Speak After the Master, but as it were Foolishly. And I Think that I have the Spirit of Elohim, but if Any Man Thinks he Knows Anything, he Knows Nothing, so Bear with me in my Folly / Foolishness..."
Rom 2:16 "...in the day when Elohim shall judge the secrets of men through יהושע Messiah, ACCORDING TO MY Good News."
He made up his own story, and bragged about it.
Something to think about.
Shaul never said, "YHWH told me to say,,," or "YHWH sent me,,,"
We have no use for fake Paul who goes against Yahweh 40 times.
I just saw an ad for the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints when i clicked your video. Not sure if you can do anything about it, though.
I started listening to you this year and I feel led to thank you for defending our faith and to let you know that God will provide for you and your wife because this ministry is saving souls and we don't think you are wanting to get rich of Christians you are not saying God said sow this amount for a miracle you are for asking for support from who can give it that you are able to walk out your destiny and calling and purpose Godbless you brother Mike and family from sister Claudette in the UK
Also, remember, at the council on Jerusalem, Paul’s message was accepted by the apostles who walked with Christ in his earthly ministry. He was given the “right hand of fellowship.” See: Galations 2
Crack up how he never gets into couter arguments, I bet this guy got nailed in the debate. These are old Christian tricks
Hey Mike, have you thought about taking the audio from your livestreams and uploading them as a podcast on various platforms? I'm sure a lot of people love listening to your lessons, but TH-cam may be blocked on some networks (like at the office) and can eat through mobile data plans. Do you already upload these to a podcast platform, or is this something you'd be interested in doing?
I already do have a podcast like that. It is called “Bible Thinker”. It’s available on most podcast platforms though currently not on Spotify.
You're debating Matt? lol Sye debated him too may the Holy Spirit guide you!
I have a genuine question about Paul’s authority, when he says “I have no commandith from the lord; yet I give my judgment” in Corinthians.
Am I to believe man, or God?
Hi Mike I have never visited your channel before. Im curious do you teach in your church the gospel of grace and eternal security ?
Watched one of your videos for the first time yesterday. I really enjoy your thoughtful balanced approach to the scriptures. I subscribed and God bless you!
It was not balanced as you say mike is bias toward Paul so he wants to believe it, but mike didn’t or maybe I missed it did you talk about a lot of the earliest Christians thought Paul was the antichrist? Just wondering mike kind of tells a sweet story of Paul, but it was not sweet at all Peter didn’t trust Paul at all most didn’t. The only gospel where Peter speaks about Paul is in 2 Peter but it’s known to be a forgery, it wasn’t from Peter but from someone wanting to make it seem like Peter accepted Paul. There’s a lot to learn on Paul after I did and saw how different he teaches compared to Jesus you have to make a choice follow Paul or Jesus.
No, 2Peter is not known as a forgery. It has been accepted as as part of the NT canon since the beginning. But say it is, you then also need to ‘fix’ Acts and Galatians, I don’t think that will work.
@@coloradodutch7480 Remember the bible was was written 400 years later by Bishops some books got in some not , Paul even said he used trickery , he also did not believe the laws of Moses that god gave ,And Christ came to fulfil .
@@ronaldeglewski3073 The bible was not written 400 years later. The books of the NT were written by 100AD. Paul died in Rome before 70AD, his letters were written before that. Paul did believe the laws of Moses. He did believe that Christ fulfilled them.
I just had a guy tell me that Paul made up the doctrine that Jesus died for our sins because Jesus never explicitly said that. I know he’s wrong, but I couldn’t refute it. Also he said sacrificing Jesus (human sacrifice) is a pagan ritual. Again, I know he’s wrong, and my faith isn’t shaken, but I can’t find answers.
You don't know he's wrong. You believe him to be wrong. There's a significant difference there.
It’s true that Jesus did not mention death burial and resurrection for the remission of sins.
Although if you can’t believe paul then you can’t believe a single word out of the Bible and that’s sad that people would think that way.
I need to pray for those that don’t walk in Paul’s understanding, because those who disregard Paul disregard the cross.
May you be blessed and may you grow in the faith
@@BrockJamesStory This is an interesting perspective I've never heard stated before about believing Paul. He was a murderer of believers and never met Jesus. The abdication of Jewish laws for converts in other churchs that he suggested is the biggest reason Christianity took off in the early days. Whether that was correct is unknown.
@@razorbeard6970 we are told to follow Paul because Paul is of Christ, paul preaches the cross of Christ like no other, Jesus said what he did because he was under the law and the Old Testament, there is only a very few chapters in all the gospels that is not under the law, even though Christ had still not risen to the father yet.
@@razorbeard6970 but if you deny Paul we deny the cross as a glorifying thing
Pastor Mike, did you ever make a video about the phrase “the twelve” that you mentioned in minute 11 of this video? I’m intrigued at your teaser of the fuller meaning of that phrase! (I’m guessing it’s rooted in there being 12 tribes of Israel, but that is a guess.)
If paul met Jesus after ascension. He didn’t meet “Jesus”. Jesus said his second coming would not be private. If it’s in a vision, ok. But he said he saw Him standing next to him. Johns revelation is through an angel from Jesus. If the Father delivered a message that was given to Jesus, then Jesus passed the vision onto an angel to hand deliver to John how is it that with Paul the same rules don’t apply?
Mike, I'm normally a big fan of your stuff, but I was quite surprised to see you use the end of Mark 7:19 as evidence -- with, I could see, the little letter indicating a footnote (which of course says this little addendum was probably not original to Mark) right there on your screen! Now certainly you may take the minority position that it was original (a position I would argue against, knowing some Koine Greek and some textual criticism -- and maybe more importantly, having read some on this passage by those who know both subjects better than I!), but it just seems frankly really flimsy and even irresponsible to cite it as evidence without even noting that this passage is highly debatable. By the way, I'm not arguing that the correct interpretation is debatable -- we actually agree on that! -- only that the text is debatable in how strongly it states that interpretation (ie, long story short, I agree with the commentator who added the addendum that Jesus was in effect declaring all foods clean -- I just don't agree that that commentator was Mark!) To overstate a case or state it with flimsy evidence makes it seem weaker than it actually is, bc it sets you up for attack -- and worse, in this and any similar cases, I think you're setting up Christians who have never heard of textual variants to be both destroyed verbally and even led into doubt of their own faith (I speak from personal experience ;/). Could you reconsider using passages with textual variants as evidence?
Most likely the entirety of brother is Paul's writings were prior to the gospels and John's and Peter's epistles.
Debra correcty if I am wrong but I think his misleading with his galatians 3.16. Children/offspring/seed don't need to indicate more than one in order to exclusively for Jesus (peace be upon him, pbh). And if we say missing s mean Jesus(pbh) than we can cite lots missing spelling and grammatical errors in earlier manual scripts that we hand written. I believe this is making it fit a narrative that Jesus is the descendant of Ibrahim and bypass all other descendants prophets like Moses, Jacob, Joseph, Sulaiman and his son(David) and more (peacebeuponthem all), in order to emphasize divinity for Jesus. This is misleading
Paul's sect will always be vulnerable to attacks of reason, common sense and evidence.
@@ksd593 this is so ill-founded. it's like you people think Christianity is the writing of the NT and then Martin Luther or something.
Surely there is not a succession of knowledge within the Early Church that completely contradicts you, right?
@@user-oh5gz4ue6r A very thoughtful but assumptive comment. Succession of abuse of power - check. Succession of which sect is better, your's or mine (read letters of Paul) - yes. Succession of struggle who has more press/print - check. Succession of mental speculation - plenty. Succession of knowledge coming from Holy Ghost (giving contradictory statements, by the way) - you are the judge. This tradition and abuse of it have caused so much harm to humanity but blind followers refuse to see it. Happy? provoking questions, adequate answers...
I really enjoyed this.
Mike I would LOVE to know your perspective on The New Perspective of Paul!!!! This is so troubling !
The Holy Spirit told Paul everything about Jesus!
I have always wondered why Paul's physical eyes were blinded when He saw the resurrected Christ but nobody else seemed to suffer the same(Unless I am mistaken)...I know there is some significance to it, but can't find much on the topic. Any of you guys/ladies know or have a guess...?? I know that the father of John's voice was muted until he was born...?
Thanks, great answer. God bless. :)
And yet for so many it was and is sadly another sense (hearing) affected.
Jesus said: This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
because Paul was making stuff up. In another place, he gets caught lying when he says the opposite.
Light
Symbolically, you could take it as an inversion. Paul, who was blind about Christ up to that moment, is now as aware as he could ever be spiritually, and yet he becomes physically blinded.
That statement that Jesus sinned because he turned over the money table and was angry was a little bit farfetched. But, to add to Mike's point Paul tell the Ephesians to be angry and sin Not. So it is possible to have righteous anger.
On the empty tomb issue, it is kind of irrelevant as evidence for the resurrection even if it was empty. If they placed Jesus' body in a nearby tomb because they were running out of time (per John), this was illegal--the tomb was someone else's property. They would have been required to relocate the body asap after Passover, which is what they apparently did before the women arrived, as Mary says in John 20:2, "they have taken the Lord's body and we don't know where they took it." No mystery there. Now, Matthew tries to defeat this obvious scenario by claiming, well, by gum, it just so happened that Joseph owned the tomb himself, so he was not required to move the body. But Mark, Luke, and John know nothing of this. I think we can safely assume that Mary was right--they had relocated the body before she got there. So, yes, the tomb was empty, and no, it had nothing to do with a resurrection. Honestly, let's use our common sense folks.
keep reading. how does the Torah prescribe adding writings to scripture? look it up, PLEASE.
Catching it after the LIVE.... but thx so much for posting! I showed my husband (more of a scholar than I) the Video you did on Bethel tonight. You have GREAT biblical teaching. 😁😁😁💗 Keep it up.
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You have to ask this in honesty. If someone tells you that they lie, and if they tell you they play pretend a lot, how much should you believe from them? How do you know what is truth and what is lie, what is real and what is a play? Romans 3:7, 1 Corinthians 9:22
Why do Paul lovers never teach Hebrews 10: 26-31 in proper context of the 'unintentional' sin offering in Lev 4, called out by name several times in Hebrews 10, along with Jesus' call for obedience, and prefer to bend to the evangelical surface doctrine of "just say a Jesus prayer and you are fine?"
Jesus never spoke to Paul. Paul was a self appointed apostle. We need to focus on the words of our Savior, not the man who contradicts Jesus numerous times. Anyone can claim to hear from the Lord or see Jesus. We should not believe those who contradict what the Risen Messiah, even if it goes against what we’ve been taught.
Mike, nice exegesis of Romans 14:14… Paul contradicts what Jesus says & by saying that Paul has some special insight from a man he never walked with is common in Christianity. Paul is not the author & finisher of my faith. Jesus Christ died for me & as such I choose to follow what HE said. I am grieved how easily Christians follow the teachings of others, especially when they directly contradict what Christ said. True saints of God will be persecuted in these last days, so seek discernment as to not lose your salvation 🙏
What do you think about Jesus warning of a false Christ in the desert ....and then paul finds a christ in the desert?
Or if Jesus was around why didn't he choose paul and teach him like he did the 12
False teacher in the desert = Muhammad
@@benwade7334 inner rooms = Muhammad desert/wilderness = Shaul
@@Melody.Joy.23 inner rooms?
Where in scriptures does it tell us that Jesus knew Paul/killerSaul?
Paul also said that he received revelation directly from Jesus.
I can't believe Christendom has come to this. Can you imagine the amount of people that hear someone say "Paul was not an apostle" and then accept an incorrect set of beliefs for lack of better wisdom? And can you imagine the risk these deceivers are putting themselves into?
The knowledgeable christian would just laugh them off, yet sadly he's been found missing most frequently. What a shame.
Have you actually looked into the arguments against Paul ?
@@koreyoneal2623 have you looked at yourself in the mirror? all of your grounding for truth is flawed
@@koreyoneal2623In the earliest days of the Christian church, the church was comprised predominately of Jews. In Acts chapter 8 the gospel spread to the Samaritans (who were ethnically mixed Jews-Gentiles), and many Samaritans received Jesus Christ as Savior. In Acts chapter 10, the apostle Peter was the first to take the gospel specifically to the Gentiles, and many received Christ as Savior. In Acts chapters 13-14, Paul and Barnabas had a very fruitful ministry among the Gentiles. All of these Gentiles turning to faith in Christ caused concern among the Jewish believers, first expressed in Acts 11:1-18, and the issues that caused concern were ultimately decided upon at the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15). The issues centered on two questions: Do Gentiles first have to become Jews before they can become Christians? Do Gentiles have to observe the Mosaic Law after they become Christians?
The impetus for the Jerusalem Council is given in Acts 15, verses 1 and 5, “But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, ‘Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.’ . . . It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the Law of Moses.” Some Jewish Christians were teaching that Gentiles had to observe the Mosaic Law and Jewish customs in order to be saved. Since this teaching clearly contradicted the fact that salvation was by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone (Acts 15:11), the apostles and church leaders held the first Christian council to settle the issue. In verses 7-11, the apostle Peter spoke of his ministry with the Gentiles, as recorded in Acts chapter 10. Peter focused on the fact that the Holy Spirit was given to uncircumcised Gentiles in precisely the same manner the Holy Spirit was given to the apostles and Jewish believers on the day of Pentecost. This led Peter to the conclusion that there should be no “placing a yoke on the neck of the [Gentile] disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear” (Acts 15:10).
Jesus’ half-brother James, who had become a leader of the church in Jerusalem, agreed with Peter and declared, “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God” (Acts 15:19). The Jerusalem Council then proceeded to give four “rules” that Gentile Christians should live by. These were not rules the Gentiles must follow in order to be saved. Rather, the rules were to build harmony between Jewish and Gentile Christians in the first century. The four rules the Jerusalem Council decided upon were that Gentile Christians should abstain from food polluted by idols, sexual immorality, the meat of strangled animals, and blood. The instructions were not intended to guarantee salvation but to promote peace within the early church.
It is interesting that the issue the Jerusalem Council was dealing with is still very much an issue in the church today. There are groups still teaching that Christians must obey the Old Testament Law. Whether it is the Sabbath day or the food laws or all of the Old Testament Law outside of the sacrificial system-there are groups that declare observance of the Law is either required for salvation or at least a crucially important aspect of the Christian life. Sadly, these groups either completely ignore or grossly misinterpret the decision of the Jerusalem Council. The specific goal of the Jerusalem Council was to decide what aspects, if any, of the Old Testament Law Christians must observe. The Jerusalem Council, for the sake of melding the Jewish and Gentile cultures within the Antioch church, said that the Gentiles should eschew their former pagan practices associated with idolatry. There was no mention of the Sabbath whatsoever. Further, the Jerusalem Council made it abundantly clear that these rules were not requirements for salvation by reaffirming that salvation is by grace for both Jews and Gentiles (Acts 15:11). How many arguments would be solved if the church today would simply follow the principle set by the Jerusalem Council-limit your liberty for the sake of love?
I cannot in words express my gratitude for this channel!!!
Can someone plz tell me which website Pastor Mike is using here. I find it very easy to maneuver scripture like that. Thanks in advance and God bless.
Hey I know this is late but he's using the Logos software
Paul was a character composed by the Gnostic Marcion in the first canon of the new testament.
The original person who many did quote in the first century is Simon the Magus, the father of all heretics. Even Tertullian said that Paul is the Apostle of the Heretics.
The gospel according to Paul
The Lightning strike to Paul's head.
It is blasphemous to say Jesus became SIN. Paul is a blasphemer.
2 Peter 3:13-17 what warning did Peter give concerning Paul's letters he speaking to believers here.
13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, MAKE EVERY EFFORT to be found SPOTLESS, BLAMELESS and at peace with him. (What does he mean make EVERY effort TO BE FOUND...spotless/blameless i thought only effort is belief .. belief means something way deeper than what you believe it mean) 15 Bear in mind that our LORD ’s PATIENCE means SALVATION, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. HIS LETTERS CONTAIN some things that are HARD to UNDERSTAND, which IGNORANT and UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT, as they do the other Scriptures, to their OWN DESTRUCTION.
17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been FOREWARNED, be on your GUARD so that you may not be carried away by the ERROR of the LAWLESS and fall from your secure position.
You were on staff at a church in L.A., are you not there anymore? I figured that the next time I went to L.A. I'd drop in there to hear you teach in person.
How can you claim to know someone when you have never met that someone?
The apostles didn't truly know the Son of God by meeting Jesus. They knew him, truly, as anyone truly knows him: by revelation, as Jesus said.
@@daviddub John 1:49 Then Nathanael declared, “Rabbi, you are the SON OF GOD; you are the king of Israel.” Jesus said, “You BELIEVED because I told you I saw you under the fig tree.
Nathanael believed Jesus was the Son of God because of Jesus statement, not by revelation?
@yochanan5506 if Nathanael truly knew the Son of God, it was not by meeting him.
You will see that the Arm of the Lord, which you can see in Isaiah 53:1+ is a prophetic term for the Christ, the Son of God, is revealed.
You will see also that Jesus told Simon son of Jonah (called Peter) that flesh and blood did not reveal to Peter that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God Matthew 16:16-17, but the Father, which is in heaven, revealed it.
And again, in John 12: 37-38 they did not truly believe, and truly know Him because of the miracles: that the prophecy might be fulfilled, referring to that Isaiah 53 reference I gave you above, "to whom hath the Arm of the Lord been revealed."
So, you have 3 scripture references that Jesus is not known, not truly known, by flesh and blood. This is out of Jesus's own mouth in the Matthew and John references, and of the prophet Isaiah.
But also, reason must demand that the Christ, the Son of God, is a spiritual reality, not a natural one. As it's written, the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit. How could they possibly know by mere natural means what he was spiritually (Christ, and Son of God)? He didn't tell them so at such a time.
@yochanan5506 also, please read the text you quoted properly. Jesus did not say, meaning declare, that Nathanael had believed because he had told him he saw him under the fig tree." Jesus ASKED him, is this why you believe, because I said..." Then Jesus told him he would see greater things, then he speaks of heavenly things, that is, spiritual things.
@@daviddub let’s go back to two important verses in John 1:45 and 1:48
Verse 45: Philip went to look for Nathanael and told him, “We have found the very person Moses and the prophets wrote about!…..
Who was that person? The Messiah! Yes? Nathanael like most Jews were well aware of this.
Now verse 48: How do you know about me?” Nathanael asked.
Jesus replied, “I could see you under the fig tree before Philip found you.”
This statement was the reason Nathanael believed.
Hence his (Nathanael) declaration in verse 49: Then Nathanael declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God (another title for Messiah); you are the king of Israel.”
Followed by Jesus rhetorical question “You Believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree.
Didn’t Saul spend few years with apostles before he became an apostle, for him to know first hand about Jesus, before the gospels were out?
They had a meeting and discussed doctrine and beliefs and such to be sure they were all on the same page.
Yes, Paul met with them to argue for easy believism, no law, until in Acts 21 they told him to repent.
He spent 15 days with Peter Galatians 1:18
Two witnesses were needed;
YHWH said :
Deuteronomy 19:15, One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Yahushua said :
Matt. 18:16 But if he won't listen, take one or two more with you, so that by the testimony of two or three witnesses every fact may be established.
Fake-Shaul / Faul said :
2 Cor 13:1 “The facts of every case must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses …
Faul was a Pharisee,
ALL Pharisees were sent to Gentiles. Faul was not exclusively sent by the "Bolt of Lightning" that he claimed was the man Yahushua. Not one witness verified his story as required by Torah nor heard the conversation with it. He was a Pharisee. He was allowed to lie to make a point, this lie was that the bolt said that it was Yahushua.
Faul did not see Yahushua.
Faul is a fake.
Can you do a video about the GIFTS of the Spirit & WORKS for God? I love the way your brain works & how you explain God’s Word makes the most sense to me. I just need some clarity. It seems like everyone is expected to be a worship leader, pastor, teacher or evangelist but I’m not any of those things. I know I have the gift of faith, but what do I do with that? Encourage others because I believe & trust God? It’s confusing & disheartening. I want to work for the Lord & magnify Him through the gifts of the Spirit that have been given to me, but I don’t know how to find my place in the Kingdom. :/ help.
Hi Amanda. Jesus says call no man father and call no man teacher. The Holy Spirit will teach us the words of Jesus. Remember it is all about the Son. Like Jesus says you must die to your life, and pick up your cross and follow Him. Just always point to Jesus and the Word. It sounds like you are on the right road. Read Genesis chapters 9, 10, 11. Notice the command to Noah and family. Then what happened in chapter 11. The people wanted to make a name for themselves. Jesus gave similar command in Matt 28, go into the world and make disciples teaching all I have taught you.
Notice Jesus didn't say build physical churches and collect monies from peoples for their teachings. Tower of Babel is the equivalent to men building religions. Blessings in Christ.
For those of us who want to support Mike so that he can do this full time and take care of his family, I think maybe this might work. We've all got people to take care of and bills to pay but I think $1 is something we can do. I'm hoping there are enough of us out here that it will take care of him and his family to do this ministry.
peter ji this is a false ministry so hopefully not to many people actually pay this guy who should get a job and leave Bible teaching to real pastors!
Nicholas James he is not a false teacher.
@@nicholasjames5181 James, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here. If you are going to accuse someone as a false teacher you better make an argument otherwise, it's irresponsible speech and more seriously you are in danger of slandering another follower of Jesus Christ. That's serious. You better bring the evidence. He has tons of videos uploaded. People can make their own minds up. I have watched some and have yet to come across anything remotely in the false teacher ballpark. So not only should you as a follower of Christ back up your serious accusation but you need to also define your criteria for a false teacher.
Bankhead 1 there’s a difference between getting rich off of, and being taken care of. We can see in acts, and the epistles (look at Paul’s thank you a and greetings) that the church took care of the needs the apostles, and others ministering on behalf of the gospels.
Mike has had some tough words for the prosperity preachers most famously represented by Joel olsteen.
Bankhead 1 I think that’s debatable, we see the early church did give (and give extravagantly in some cases like selling land) to support the gospel. I think the hard rule of a tenth shouldn’t apply, but the giving of our first fruits (off the top of the budget) is a good takeaway practice. All that said I do struggle with giving and really wish to do better, I think a lot of giving issues is a trust and security thing. Hopefully I can grow in this area as time goes on.
Thanks Mike Ive been driving my pastor crazy about Paul !
There was also no letter “J” in that era
The Moses story can be found in the Egyptian Book of the Dead written 1200 years before Moses
Like this there are thousands of these stories
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There is scripture that says Jesus chose Paul as a vessel to the gentiles. Acts 9:15
Yes we are to follow Paul!
@Hen Ry if you comment again I’ll find the verse, but paul basically says those who don’t believe in the cross refuse to follow paul
@Hen Ry Philippians 3:17-18
Not saying exactly what I thought, but how can they believe Jesus and not Paul as well? The whole Bible is the word of God
Great video. Keep spreading the word brother.
Paul is a self proclaimed apostle with no named witnesses. There are 12 apostles according to Jesus listed in Matthew 19:28, not 13, the requirement to replace Judas Iscariot is listed in Acts 1:21-26 spoken of by Peter himself, after which they elected Mattias as the replacement of Judas. Jesus' apostles numbers 12 in total: this is also confirmed in the book of Revelation 21:12-14.
Peter, the man who Jesus said "I will build my church upon this rock" to in Matthew 16:18, was the apostle to the gentiles listed in Acts 15:7, but Jesus said he would be taken captive in John 21:18, so then his church by proxy had been prophesied to have been taken captive.paul hijacked Peter's responsibility that the gentiles might hear from his lips and believe.
Also the rest of the 10 remaining apostles (Judas was dead at the time, Mattias was not yet elected) they too were charged with going out to all nations (Translated from greek: "Ethnos" this means heathen, gentiles) to teach in the way of the Father/Son, Holy spirit and to obey everything jesus had commanded them to do, Matthew 28:18-20. James and the Elders and the other apostles also gave gentiles basic instructions - such as what is listed in Acts 21:18-28 (verse 25 specifically for the gentiles) where paul is called out for teaching apostasy contrary the things he should have taught indicated by in Acts 15:19-20 and Acts 21:25 about how the gentiles shouldn't bear the yoke of the Jews, but rather stick to certain laws... not "grace"(which is mercy) by paul's idea of faith alone, which goes about as far as acknowledging Jesus as you would Santa claus.
paul was teaching the Jews who stayed among the gentiles to forsake Moses and even the EVERLASTING Covenant of circumcision described in Genesis 17:4-14... which if Jew neglected, they would be cut off from Abraham's blessing... cut off from a blessing from the God of the living: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
After paul was called out for teaching apostasy(lawlessness, do as thou wilt, let no man judge in you in any matter of food or drink and so on), he tried to 1 Cor 9:20-22 his way out of it (to the Jew he became a Jew to win the Jew etc...) by going through with what was known as a Nazarene vow, already discussed prior to this paragraph, listed in Acts 21:18-24.
Rather than explain the law away like he usually did - calling it nailed to the cross indicated in Col 2:13-14(yet there are no reports of him being there at the crucifixion) calling the Law of God a "ministry of death" in 2 Corinthians 3:7 (when God's law are precepts which preserve our life according to King David in Psalm 119:93), rather than declaring that he and anyone else "in christ" was dead to the law by his own arbitrary means and arbitrary gospel of grace (mercy) through faith alone listed in Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19 - Rather than all of these things, paul was found trying to complete this vow by the Jews who knew he was teaching apostasy before he was able to complete it, 6 days into the ritual. He was rightfully thrown out and found himself standing before the courts for teaching apostasy, lawlessness, a crime punishible by death.
He has no named witnesses to his conversion stories, his conversion stories do not line up, there's translator bias surrounding his text and even in 2 Peter where it is deceptively translated in english to make paul seem like too much of a genius to understand, when in reality Peter called his writings "dys-noetas" meaning to destroy understanding - which others would take and twist to their own destruction, like constantine in 324 AD when he used paul's lawless gospel to cause people to disregard the sabbath and worship his sun god on sunday.
the paul we read about in the bible, who takes up more than half of the new testament, is an anti-christ Jesus prophesied would come in his name, performing signs and miracles even to fool the elect if possible: According to paul the sign of a true apostle is in signs and wonders or 2 cor 12:12, but according to Jesus, these are the sign of a deceiver, or Matthew 24:24, and he said not to believe the person who said they saw Jesus in the wilderness like paul had in Matthew 24:26. paul taught no parable, quotes nothing Jesus said(other than take this cup and drink, last supper), and Jesus himself never taught "grace" through faith but rather obedience for grace, and to build upon his teaching or else build upon sand (matthew 7:24-27), that the law wasn't over until heaven and earth disappeared and to exceed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees in order to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven(matthew 5:17-20) and that in the end, everyone is judged by their faith as well as their works (Revelation chapter 2 to 3, also in the final judgement - Revelation 21:8, 22:12.)
Jesus said that the only way through to the Father is through the son and whoever doesn't gather with him only scatters. Ask Jesus how to be saved and you'll see that you must do the will of his Father in heaven. In order to do that you must worship him as he desires, by the power of his spirit or John 4:23-24, in order to obtain what is necessary to worship God is John 14:15-17.
AND NO WE ARE NOT SAVED BY OUR OWN WORKS - there is only one who is good. Good deeds can only come from the holy spirit. We are saved by doing the work of the Father, or by doing the will of the Father, or as Jesus so adequately put it - his mother sister and brother are those who do the will of his Father in heaven or Matthew 12:49-50. If one wants to be saved, simply become family. If you want to inherit eternal life, look no further than Matthew 19:16-19, or God's law, precepts which preserve our lives as King David would say(Psalm 119:93). Blessings
Yes sir. You nailed it, I have been trying other people to share with them this but they insist in accusing Paul of a false apostle, after watching your video I feel like a thirsty person in the dessert who just run into an oassis,
I have always affirm that the teachings in Paul letter can be found , so unfortunate that so many people are blinded.
I am asking God to bless yuor work, please keep it up.
I want to ad something
Paul says in one of his epistles, although we knew Jesus according to the flesh, we do not now know him in the flesh, because at the time of saying that, his resurrection had already occurred and Jesus, now being a Spirit in Heaven is more relevant, more powerful, I say this but I do not make less of his human condition, it was necessary that Jesus the son of man was manifested in the flesh to fullfill his mission as a physical and human and perfect offering
he who reads, understand ....
Then would you mind explaining where in the entire Bible we can find the permissibility of eating foods sacrificed to idols as Paul preaches in 1Cor8 and Rom14:14? Especially considering the act is forbidden in Exodus, Acts and Revelation.
@@Joe-pc3hs Hi Joe, how are you doing today?
could you please pinpoint where in 1 Cor 8 Paul invited the believers or granted the permissibility? of eating foods sacrificed to idols?
and one more thing, did you by any chance, read verse 15?
Ro 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Ro 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Let us chat on that please,
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The chapter is literally only 13 verses, and the first 8 clearly illustrates that the meat is only defiled by conscience, and not the idol itself. He concludes that if it offends, then he and others should refrain. NOT that it should be avoided at any cost, which is exactly why Rom14:14 follows suit, verse 15 follows the exact same context, tying the subject of 1Cor8 and Rom14 together.
The question is, if Paul is persuaded by "Jesus", but Jesus clearly condemns the act, then its one additional caveat to the fact surrounding the illegitimacy of Pauls claims and or authority. Which is again why I asked for a non Pauline source in the Bible that stipulates that foods sacrificed to idols are fine for consumption, as Paul suggests.
@@juanguzmanhernandez7288 The entire chapter is only 13 verses, but the first 8 clearly illustrates that food sacrificed to idols isnt unclean, except on account of your conscience. Which, btw, Paul equates to weakness should you view the food as unclean. Romans14:14-15 is in symetry with the subject with, verse 15 being the contextual completion of the idea. So I ask again, where else in the Bible is this sentiment repeated?
@@Joe-pc3hs Well, since you asked twice and still refuse to understand it in context, I will give you a clue, look into the gospels, and you will find it , it is no a joke, look for ti
One misconception most Christians have which is why I believe you have the Paul skeptics in Christianity is that Paul taught against the law. Paul only spoke against the law and that it does not save you other than that he’s teachings Align with Jesus in the Old Testament the way it should be.
If Christians had followed James and Jerusalem church ie Torah for Jews, laws for gentile residing in Israel for non Jews, conflict between Jews and Christians would never have reached the levels they did.
Paul's teachings were confusing, he infuriated the Jerusalem church and minimised the importance of the Torah for Jews. I can understand why he did this as he was an ancient "lefty" trying to bring Jews and non Jews together but ultimately opened the door for Torah hating gentiles to enter the church and bring in gentile anti semitism.
I would only point out that anti-semitism at that time would be synonymous with anti-nomianism.
What about Paul's teaching on food sacrificed to idols and Rev. chapter 2?! Anyone?!
The phony 13th apostle went around teaching easy believism and watered down everything Jesus said. Never met with the 12 real apostles except to argue with them. Silas finally bailed on him and went with Peter. Rejected by all the churches of Asia minor. Never went to Jesus to get his unclean spirits cast out.
If Jesus' response amounts to "yes, pay your taxes," then it isn't a clever response at all. It is clever because it sounds like he is saying to pay the tax, but he says give to Cesaer what is his (nothing) and give to God what is His (everything). The religious leaders could not argue against this teaching, and they couldn't convince the Romans he was saying not to pay taxes because to their minds the taxes belong to Cesaer which they heard Jesus say.
I agree. This is so OFTEN misinterpreted by clergy.
Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk. And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians...
"Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar or not? Should we give or should we not give?"
"Show me the tribute money," the Son of God tells them.
They show him a coin.
There's an image graven on it. Inscribed beside the image is a title.
The image is of a man (a guy named Augustus). The coin's superscription in Latin reads, Filii Dei, 'the Son of God'
"Who does this image belong to? And who does this title belong to?"
This was not a question they had prepped for, and they fall into their own trap. And so in the audience of all the people, they answer, "they belong to Caesar"
(They say that both the image and the title 'Son of God' belong to Caesar.) In light of this, the true Son of God says: "Give, therefore (by your reasoning), to Caesar all those things which (which you deem) belong to Caesar. And give to to God those things which belong to God"
They now stand there holding a coin: mouths closed. With their own question thrown back at them in an astonishing way.
As you put it, he managed to clearly answer the question showing both their hypocrisy and idolatry (and revealed the thoughts of their minds) AS WELL AS throw it back at them in a way that ensnared them in their own net. (Psa141:10)
Mat22:22 >
When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.
it really bothers me when self-styled theologians misrepresent our Lord.
I cannot believe that this teaching that Paul was not a real apostle is spreading among so called Christians. An apostle is a more than a mere eyewitness of Jesus, he is also a witness of the divine sonship and redemptive mission of Jesus Christ. An apostle speaks the message or messages the Lord gives him and leads people to Christ. Paul had a vision of the Lord on the way to Damascus, repented of his sins and was converted, later on in another vision he was taken in what he calls the third heaven and saw and heard things he was forbidden to speak of. He received revelations from God all the rest of his life and worked tirelessly to bring both Jews and Gentiles to Christ. We only have fragmentary information on his life and we don't know exactly when he was called to the apostlehip, but called he was, the other apostles never disputed his right to be called so and to minister as such. So who are you to say differently. As for his supposed misquotes of the Old Testament, the Jews of Jesus times had access to other ancient records that did not reach us, as a matter of fact Jesus on occasion quoted scripture differently from what we have today so was he also lying?
Some so called Christians believe that Paul, not Jesus organized a church, but a careful and prayerful examination of the Gospels, the book of Acts and the letters of the other apostles paint a different picture. Jesus did organize a church, not Paul or Peter or James or John, they were only his servants in the church. When Jesus organized his church it was perfect, but them after he went to heaven and the apostles were killed or died naturally, unholy men under Satan's influence hijacked it and turned into something not of God. Paul was not the founder of Christianity, Jesus founded it as he saw fit. Going back to Paul, if you don't like or understand his teachings and you dont think they are from God, instead of relying on scholars and experts and enemies of Christ, get on your knees and ask the Supreme Scholar and the Ultimate Expert to enlighten you and reveal to you what you wish to know or understand. You love to talk about a personal Savior then put your knees where your mouth is.
Wow very well said.
You destroy your own arguement when you admit Paul wrote before the gospels were written. This was my entire point. Paul never heard Jesus teach anything. The vast majority of what he knew of Jesus was all based on hearsay. THe rest is on a vision of his. While hearsay can be reliable, it isn't always. You spend much time talking about what Paul thought about Jesus based on what he heard from people who believed in Jesus. But this doesn't show that Paul knew Jesus, just that he knew what people were saying about Jesus. Thus he is creating a theology based almost entirely on hearsay.
Amen!
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The Egyptian god Amun (which is sometimes also spelled Amen)
Clearly Paul imagined Jesus after being hit in the head by lightning.
@@lutkedog1 that is interesting
@@lutkedog1 could be, or he was visited by another that was not Jesus.
Would love to hear your opinion mike...
One thing is for certain other than taxes and mortality and that is the Christian will not hesitate to lie about everything
If he knew Jesus, he would have quoted him more than once. Also, he had 3 different stories about his experience on the road to Damascus. (No two are alike)
Jesus said "many will come in my name" and I think the light he saw was satan who masqueraded as Jesus so he could fool the masses. After all, he is called an angel of light.
Except Paul is the one that wrote that in 2nd Corinthians. I have my doubts though because Paul didn't know Jesus's teaching to test all spirits to see if they were from God so his vision could have been demonic and he would not have been able to discern it.
We expect Mormons to question Joseph Smith's visions and we expect Muslims to question Muhammad's visions, so I think as Christians we should rightly question Paul's visions. I just find it surprising more scholars aren't doing this and most people that are proponents of Paul being a false apostle all over the place with their other views. If Paul is an author of confusion removing his writings should bring clarity, but it seems to bring more confusion.
@@Captain_Fantasy it is Peter who wrote of Paul's writings in all his epistles, some of which is hard to be understood, that they that are unlearned and unstable pervert Paul's writings to their own distruction, as they do other scriptures.
Yeah good point.
Apostle James quoted a Lot of what Yeshua say. Word for word and he quoted torah.
Paul does quote torah and prophets and psalms but it seems like he uses it to preach wrong doctrine.
Why do we have to defend Paul?
It's about Jesus. Jesus is the Messiah.
Defending Paul is the problem. Who cares what Paul said.
And there are over 100 contradictions in Paul's writings. Your eyes are closed.
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We care because his writing is a whole lot of the New Testament. It’s pretty important to be sure about someone who wrote the book you’re basing you’re life on. Ya know 🤷🏼♀️
During my deconstruction, Paul's writings were the reason I finally left Christianity. That combined with their hatred, hypocrisy, judgemental mindset, and murderous history.
There is only 14 million jews on Earth. Why are non jews following the God of the Jewish people? Most people are not jews.
Without Paul, there is no Body of Christ, the coming together of all people, Jew and Gentile, and this knowledge of the “mystery” that he received by revelation directly from Jesus. As Paul says, he is the “pattern”, that all now come individually to God by faith through grace, not of any works; not based on heredity or generational blessings as it once was through Israel. There is now “one new man”, a new creation. The 12 apostles were ministers to the Jews. Paul is the apostle to the gentiles (Galations 2). Without Paul, there is only the Gospel of the Kingdom, that which includes ONLY JEWS under the Law. Gentiles were excluded from the promises that came through the Jews. There is no CHURCH or Body of Christ without Paul!! He is OUR APOSTLE.
But in the last days " knowledge will be increased"
And all hidden and in the dark will be revealed.
The light will overpower the darkness and the truth revealved ...and every knee shall bow to the Lord.
Till then remember our Lord " the world will be decieved"
And the tares wont be removed till judgement .
Would God turn his face from those who dont love the truth?
Would the Lord allow false teaching right beside good doctrine ? Will the world be decieved by a false profit?
Depends who you believe ..JESUS ....OR.....
may you all ask and be guided by the spirit ... ( who Jesus sent to lead and guide us )
Its ok Jesus himself devoted only 30 YRS TO STUDY !
keep it up those who seek will find and those who knock ....a prayer and a blessing to all who are of the Lord
One can read the scriptures and understand that Paul was a false apostle. One can not contradict the Messiah and his Apostles. And yes Mike, you are “making it up” just like Paul.
Name ONE thing paul contradicts Jesus
@@christhatsall8926 Galatians 3:21 Is therefore the law contrary to The Promise of God? God forbid! For if a law had been given which was able to GIVE LIFE (eternal life), truly righteousness would have been by the law.
Matthew 19:17 .......If you want to ENTER LIFE (eternal life), keep the commandments."
@@christhatsall8926 I can name alot that Paul writes that contadicts Jesus. However you ask for ONE. If your shown one, will you believe Jesus over Paul?
If not how many things would you have to be shown to believe Jesus' sayings over Paul's?
@@KeepingWatch95 also God predicted Paul in Isaiah
@@christhatsall8926 _From even the very first claim by Paul to have met with Jesus on the way to Damascus is false per Jesus' foretelling and forewarning._
_Jesus forewarned of false prophets to come. Jesus told what they would claim and instructed not to believe them._
Matthew 24:23 *Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.*
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, *and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;* insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:25 *Behold, I have told you before.*
Matthew 24:26 *Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert;* go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; *believe it not.*
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(Note: Matthew 24:26 the word “Desert” also means wilderness.)
G2048 ἔρημος erēmos er'-ay-mos
Of uncertain affinity; lonesome, that is, (by implication) waste (usually as a noun, G5561 being implied): - desert, desolate, solitary, wilderness.
(In Acts 9:3 Paul claims he met Jesus in the wilderness/desert.)
Acts 9:3 And as *he journeyed, he came near Damascus:* and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
(Acts 9:3 the road to Damascus was in the wilderness. See 1 Kings 19:15 which records the way to Damascus is wilderness/desert.)
1 Kings 19:15 And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria:
(Note: 1 Kings 19:15 the Hebrew word “wilderness” H4057 also means desert.)
H4057מִדְבָּר midbâr mid-bawr'
From H1696 in the sense of driving; a pasture (that is, open field, whither cattle are driven); by implication a desert; also speech (including its organs): - desert, south, speech, wilderness.
_If one truly believes Jesus' warning they can not believe Paul's false claim. The only way to believe Paul's story is true, one has to discredit Jesus' warnings and instructions as false._
Paul's gospel is based on his incorrect belief that Jesus came only to save the Jews.
He then misquotes almost all the Prophets, and builds his gospel on his false interpretations.
I watched your video on Calvinism, how can you deny Calvinism when Paul was indeed the first Calvinist?
The 5 points are based not on Christ's teachings, but on the great deceiver Paul's.
Paul taught Calvinism and his teachings have birthed even more heresy than that!
Look to Christ for truth.
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You clearly haven't read his letters then
Most skeptics seem to think that Paul and Jesus give contradictory teaching. I concur. Paul teaches salvation by grace through faith and not of works. Jesus always ties works into salvation,.and says that some with faith wont go to heaven because they didnt do the works God wanted them to (matthew 7:21-23). Paul teaches that the old law is done away with. Jesus and the old testament teach that the old law is eternal. Just to name a couple of discrepancies.
Paul was not there at the death and burial nor was he there when Christ spent time with the disciples after the Resurrection, where was Paul???
GOD is the Savior
Isaiah 43 1-3
Thank you Pastor Mike for another great video. On your next live have your wife come on for a few minutes so we can meet her.
She’s probably way too nervous to do that. :)
@@MikeWinger If your wife is a bit nervous, please let the cat come sit in on the videos! I saw the ball of floof on another video and it made the video even more interesting.
Thank you for taking the time to present quality Bible based content. I have only been watching for a few days now. I like the way you have set up the discussions, but most of all I enjoy that you deliver content with such patience and kindness so that the audience is more likely to listen and think, rather than take offense. The comment section seems to reflect the respect you show others when you do take a position on some matter in the Bible. It's refreshing and eliminates the anxiety that may come when watching a video where the comment section will be so hostile that it drives the stress levels up.
If we can clearly show how Paul lies using his own letters, why would you trust a single word he says?
You think the devil didn't watch him ? You think a guy killing and hunting Christians didn't know what they teached or what they did? He knew the apostles of course, and with high possibility he also heard them preaching.
its gonna take an hour to explain when Jesus met Paul?
You can read Acts chapter 9 in less than an hour.
Paul can't be an Apostle
In the same way a person from the tribe of Judah can't be a levitical priest
To be an apostle number one you needed to witness his baptism and be there through his whole ministry and witness his Resurrection
@J DV Um, that's Acts 1:22....pretty clearly written.
Excellent video, as usual!
I hope you will answer mine because I find some of the evidence people are giving very compelling about Paul.
Answer your what?
@@daviddub my question down further in the comments. I'll repost it here
@@daviddub I'm not trying to be argumentative but isn't there a possibility that Paul got all of this information from someone telling him in passing what Jesus had said maybe one of the apostles told people what happened at the last supper? I just think there's other ways that Paul could have gotten this information without getting it directly from Jesus. Not to mention Paul was literally trying to destroy Christianity before. Who is the false apostle spoken about to John in Revelation about the church in Ephesus? Who else went to Ephesus calling themselves an apostle other than Paul? Wasn't Paul turned away by the Ephesians? Didn't the holy Spirit forbid him not to go to Asia and he went anyway? I'm not a Bible scholar and I don't know anything about this I just really need some help as a Christian because it all seems awfully odd. Like why did Paul lie to people to get them to come to Christ, that doesn't seem right. Why did Paul treat the other apostles like they didn't matter saying stuff like he didn't care what they were appointed for and that he didn't need anything from them. What about the 12 tribes of Israel how does that work? Wouldn't Paul be the thirteenth apostle if you add in Mathias? Please help me because I'm lost. I don't know how to make sense of these things that seem to make sense when looking at Paul as not such a great guy.
Why do people think that Paul didn't know Yeshua. He would've been witness to His whole ministry as he was the one who went after the church. He was never ignorent to Christ's ministry , join that with the revelation knowledge of Christ plus Paul's knowledge of scripture. It is such a ridiculous statement to say Paul never knew Christ or even to say he only knew him a little is foolish.
Thanks Pastor Mike appreciate your sharing of the Word. Be blessed brother from Australia
Because no one but Paul claimed Paul met Yeshua, also because most preachers and Pastors purposely ignore Acts chapters 21 through 24 because they incriminate Paul and destroy his gospel.
The reason you will hear preachers say "Paul said" more than "Jesus said" is because Paul contradicts the teachings of of Jesus, so they say, "we teach more from Paul because he was sent to the Gentiles"
Then they will teach about the things Paul said in accordance with Yeshua but they will not teach the parts that contradict in order to save faith and face.
So I suggest we all read what Yeshua said about anyone who claims to have met Him in the desert in secret, and why He said "because you have been with me"
We all must read and understand Acts 21 through 24 and what it really says was going on.
And we must study the Church of Ephesus (Ephesians/Asia) and why The Almighty congratulates the jews of Ephesus for calling out false apostles and placing them on trial, and why He would tell those Christian converts from Ephesus to return to their first love (Torah/Tanakh), and do the "First Works" unless He turn against them.
If we ignore this evidence in the bible it makes us no better than any other cult practice.
An apostle is one who walked with Yeshua and was chosen to go. Only disciples who walked with Him for the 3.5 years and were taught personally are apostles.
The 12 apostles represented the future chosen 10th that will be chosen from the 12 tribes according to Isaiah 6.
A 13th apostle does not line up with scripture or prophecy, nor was he personally chosen by Yeshua during His 3.5 years of His Ministry in the flesh.
Paul "Self Appointed" himself and admitted to lying in order to save "some." Yeshua never taught His apostles to lie to convert anyone.
Infact He promoted Isaiah 6 which is the very reason He spoke in parables as not to lie and to only call those who were chosen.
Paul said "To the poor I became poor, to the rich I was rich, to those with Torah I became as one under Torah, and to those without the Torah/Nomis I became as one not under Torah/Nomis (except the Torah of Yeshua?), I BECAME ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN that I might obtain SOME.
That is not even close to what Yeshua or the 12 apostle taught. We do not attract pagans by pretending to be pagan. We do not attract worldly people by pretending to be worldly. That's what prosperity preachers do.
If you here a preacher teach more from Paul's epistles than from the very words of our Creator in the flesh it is a red flag 🚩 that most ignore.
Mike, nice exegesis of Romans 14:14… Paul contradicts what Jesus says & by saying that Paul has some special insight from a man he never walked with is common in Christianity. Paul is not the author & finisher of my faith. Jesus Christ died for me & as such I choose to follow what HE said. I am grieved how easily Christians follow the teachings of others, especially when they directly contradict what Christ said. True saints of God will be persecuted in these last days, so seek discernment as to not lose your salvation 🙏
All these people who want to take Paul out of the Bible, you should just chuck out the whole thing, why should we believe anything out of it? Jesus didn’t write anything down himself, and surely we believe Old Testament prophets when they simply said “I am of the Lord” like why should we believe them? Because they said so?
Also Peter affirms Paul so if you can believe Peter now either than what can you believe?
Actually, you raise a good point. We should not believe any prophet just because he says "thus saith the Lord."
Jeremiah 14:15
concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
Jeremiah 23:21
I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jeremiah 23:32
Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 29:9
For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.
The Scriptures provide us ways to test / to prove whether a prophets words are from the Lord.
Deut18
And if thou say in thine heart, *How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?* When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
AND
If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder AND the sign or the wonder *come to pass,* whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in.
Balaam spoke true prophecies which have come to pass (Num24) but Balaam cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel teaching them to commit fornication and eat meats sacrificed to idols. (read Rev2:14)
Though Balaam performed signs and wonders and his prophecies came to pass, yet he instructed the people in a way that the Lord had not commanded them.
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fulfillment of prophecy
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right doctrine
If he fails either of these, he fails. And there are other tests.
@@AnHebrewChild yeah but someone wrote those tests, God inspired scripture the only thing he wrote with his hands were the first 10 commandments.
@@BrockJamesStory what's your point? Are you discounting those tests? Or suggesting they logically have no purpose? That seems odd.
If you actually think about this, these tests aren't circular reasoning at all, since affixed to these tests are both doctrine / commandments & prophecies. (Things which themselves are subsumed under the tests). I mentioned other tests. "By the mouth of two witnesses, or three, shall every word be established" is another one. There are more.
If you want to actually take God's word seriously, you'll have to engage your mind: a thing God calls you to do.(Mat22:37 & Mrk12:30)
But... as a man once said, "If thou art, as many in this pretending age, a sign or title gazer, and comest into books as Cato into the theatre, to go out again, - thou hast had thy entertainment; farewell."
@@BrockJamesStory concerning your statement, 'God inspired scripture,' indeed. Jesus states the Spirit spoke through David's psalms, "How then does David, by the Holy Spirit, call him Lord?" Mrk13
The reformers believed that scripture was inspired, but then they saw fit to determine that certain books previously called inspired by the Romans Church were not, in fact, inspired: so they took them out. Whether any or all or none of those books are inspired is a different discussion. The point is, that the question here is: what is the word that the Lord has spoken? How to identify it?
By tradition of men? Or by the tests which God gives us. You've been shown three so far.
Be blessed.
@@AnHebrewChild that’s what I’m saying, but people deny Paul just because he said “I had a revelation from the Lord and people say why can we believe him? I would say mainly because Peter also confirmed his words were scripture
Paul states that he robbed several churches for his own account (2 Corinthians 11:8), he killed Stephen, since when Stephen died, the witnesses laid his clothes at Paul's feet (Acts 7:58) however, when something is placed at the feet of a person, it is to signify that the order which was given was indeed carried out, and the clothes placed at the feet of the person who ordered the murder are proof of the murder! he approved of this killing (Acts 8:1), and also killed innocent people (Acts 9:1-2, 22:4-5 and 22:19-20)
He says that it was the Jews who killed Christ and that they are the enemies of all men (1 Thessalonians 2:15), while the Romans also crucified Yeshua (John 19:23), and that he even was born a Roman (Acts 16:37, 22:25-29 and 23:27), he himself was daily in the temple taught at the feet of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3), he was hateful, a murderer, a Pharisee , and surely met Yeshua several times because Yeshua taught every day in the temple (Mark 14:49) he is also responsible for Yeshua's death!
Paul went preaching outside of Israel, while Yeshua declared not to go to the Gentiles, nor to enter the cities of the Samaritans (Matthew 10:5), but to go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 10:6), while Paul went to the Gentiles, declares himself to be the apostle of the Gentiles, and declares that Yeshua sent him to the nations (Acts 22:21), especially knowing that the Spirit of the Lord and Yeshua prevented Paul from going to Asia and Galatia (Acts 16:6-7), furthermore Yeshua chose the twelve (John 6:70), he gave Peter authority and the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 16:18-19), but nothing to Paul!
Paul was often in confrontation with Cephas (Peter - Galatians 2:3-14), he insulted the disciples by saying that they were false brothers (Galatians 2:4), deceitful workers disguised as apostles of Christ (2 Corinthians 11 :13), dogs, bad workers, false circumcised or mutilated (Philippians 3:2), while he is supposedly "circumcised from birth" (Philippians 3:5), he was also in conflict with Barnabas and Mark (Acts 15:37-41), while Yeshua commanded to love one another (John 15:17), and out of hypocrisy, Paul said not to be in conflict, to be love and to be of the same mind in the Lord... (Philippians 2:2)
He often said "in me" or "of me" (Galatians 1:16, 1:24 and 2:20, Romans 1:15, 2 Corinthians 11:10, Philippians 1:16 and 1:26, Colossians 1:29 , 1 Timothy 1:15), he wants it to be said "I am of Paul" (1 Corinthians 1:12 and 3:4), he says that even if there were ten thousand teachers in Christ, it He alone begat us in Christ Jesus (1 Corinthians 4:15), although there is one Master and not many (Matthew 23:8), and one Father ( Matthew 23:9), he wants us to be imitators of him (1 Corinthians 4:16 and 11:1, Philippians 3:17), whereas we must imitate Christ alone (John 13:15, 1 John 2: 6, 1 Peter 2:21)
He says that he receives a thorn in the flesh so that he will not be puffed up because of the excellence of the revelations (2 Corinthians 12:7), he commands to follow his example to inherit eternal life (Philippians 4:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:16, Colossians 4:18), he does not want to be forgotten and obeyed (1 Corinthians 11:2, 2 Timothy 2:2), he says he is the "Christian mystery" chosen before the beginning of the world (Ephesians 1:4), he wants to be considered a fool so that he may glorify himself (2 Corinthians 11:16) , he wants Christ to be glorified in his body either by his life or by his death (glorified alive or dead - Philippians 1:20), he believes himself to be more superior than the other apostles (2 Corinthians 11:23), that he worked more than the disciples (1 Corinthians 15:10), he established himself in the minister by pride saying that he acted in ignorance and in unbelief (Acts 3:17, 8:3, 1 Timothy 1:13), he glorifies his own ministry (Romans 11:13), declares himself without fault, guilty of nothing, and does not want to judge himself (1 Corinthians 4:3), he grants himself the crown of righteousness for himself (2 Timothy 4:8), while murderers have no inheritance in the Kingdom of Heaven (1 John 3:15, Revelation 21:8 and 22:15), he said that he gave thanks to God that he spoke in tongues more than you all (1 Corinthians 14:18) just like the Pharisee in the parable of Yeshua who glorified himself (Luke 18:9-14), he reproaches others to be proud (1 Corinthians 4:18 and 5:2, 1 Timothy 6:4), he has exalted himself above all, but he who exalts himself will be brought low, and he who is brought low will be exalted (Isaiah 2:11, 2:17, Ezekiel 21:26, Matthew 23:12, Luke 14:11, 8:14), and the first will be last and servant of all (Mark 9:35) , and knew that people were wondering about him (1 Corinthians 9:2, 2 Corinthians 12:6 and 12:11-12, Galatians 6:14)
That sums it up. Your assessment is verily verily good.
The viable claim here is that Paul never spoke or learned directly from Jesus at all, other than his lone vision. This is a true statement.
Somehow, Peter, who was Jesus' Righthand man in the flesh -- missed a BIG point. Peter started the Ebionite Sect -- the "Original Christians" - the "Jewish Christians" who taught adherence to the Law of Moses. How did Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit of Truth, and having spent 3 years with Jesus -- miss such a vital point! (Salvation by Works, vs Faith -- and the abolition of the Law) ???
Paul, who never walked with Jesus is the one to say "Law is Dead, stopping teaching adherence. Salvation is totally by Faith, not works!"...
This does really/truly cast a shadow of doubt upon the "Biblical Infallibility" Faith. If Peter missed something this BIG -- how can we trust the "inerrancy of various Roman-selected texts"?
Or -- why isn't Peter's teaching the "Inerrant" one? Why should we think Paul's is more authentic? Paul converted years later, and didn't convince Peter to change his teaching for almost a decade! -- meanwhile, we have strong evidence that the Jewish Christians (Ebionites) mostly kept-right-on-believing the original Doctrine from Peter.
Of course, later, as Paul's doctrine was far more popular, the Ebionite Doctrine was labeled as Heresy -- and squashed mostly. Most Christians don't even know about the 4 major sects of Christianity that split off in the first 100 years after Jesus: Ebionites, Gnostics, Marcionites, and the Roman-Selected-Orthodox. Of course, the Romans selected the last one, and that's what most Christians today now Worship.... this Book as inerrant.
The FIRST Bible created was in 150 AD by Marcion. This was a popular denomination, called "Christians" at the time -- until they later decided to call them Heretics, as the popular doctrines became the "Orthodox" ones, and the current Bible was then assembled close to 300 AD... under Roman funding /oversight.
God is real. Jesus is Lord. The Holy Spirit speaks to us all. But this doesn't mean the Bible is "Infallible" and non-corrupted.
If the Bible is infallible, then Romans 9:11-23 is 100% true -- which means we don't even have a choice on Belief. God chose AHEAD OF TIME, for us, whether or not we were among the Chosen Few, or the "vast majority created to be objects of wrath" -- so that the "few chosen elites could feel more special". And this is supposed to be "the Good News?" Only a very selfish Christian could call this "the Good News". Eternal torture for most -- is tragic/awful news, especially when you couple it with the blatant message of Romans 9:11-23, which clearly says "it wasn't even our choice". Good News? Or the scheme of an Evil Sadistic Narcissistic God? Infallibility paints a VERY ugly picture of God, IMO.
Marcionites, in 150 AD -- seemed to have realized the a truer truth -- Jesus was the son of another God -- one who actually loved us, mostly Unnamed, humble, and not a narcissist -- who actually loves us unconditionally. Jesus died for ALL Sins - not just the sins of the Few Elect. Jesus also died for the sins of disbelief, wrong belief, and weak belief.
Mike Winger -- do YOU really think that Paul learned from Jesus while he was alive? Most of your arguments are simply stating that Paul also heard/knew some of the "teachings of Jesus" which were widespread among the Christians -- so easy for him to "know secondhand". If you are simply showing that Paul knew at least SOME of the stories/teachings of Jesus -- what's the big deal with that? Who says that Paul was NOT familiar with a good portion of these sayings/teachings?
You have straw-manned the opposition here. The chief opposing argument here is that Paul simply never learned from Jesus during his 3 year campaign.
"Persuaded from Jesus" -- this means Paul spent time with his "Vision of Jesus" -- years after the crucifixion. And that Jesus still speaks to him.
The key thing to note here is that Paul CHANGED THE GOSPEL TAUGHT BY PETER -- significantly!... If the Holy Spirit is TRUE and filled Peter and everyone in Jerusalem -- why couldn't it communicate a VERY IMPORTANT POINT -- "the law is Death/Dead -- not to be followed anymore". We NOW consider Peter's version of Christianity as Heresy -- "Salvation by Works". And this is Peter. Who corrects him? Someone who never walked with Jesus.
Why do we assume Paul's Gospel is Truth not Heresy? And assume Peter's Gospel was Heresy, not Truth?
I love Jesus. I love God. I love the Holy Spirit. But I think the evidence is STRONG that the Bible is NOT comprised of "Infallible texts". Just as with Jesus, our connection is direct with God -- we worship God, via direct relationship. We are NOT to Worship a BOOK -- written by Men, and compiled/finalized by the Roman government.
OK - you say "do not muzzle an ox" means Paul quoted Jesus -- OR does Luke simply borrow from Paul. Luke was supposedly Paul's companion -- so this would also make sense.
I'd like to know your interpretation of Romans 9:11-23 -- which seems verbose, explicit and clear. And also evil. I think Paul was having a day, and expressed his view -- and is wrong. Just as Peter was wrong, so can Paul be wrong. To treat Paul like God Himself - is heresy/wrong. He's a man -- not our Teacher. God is our teacher, and Romans 9:11-23 cannot be correct -- else this whole scheme is evil.
Mike Winger. Paul said many things that are true, spreading light on many issues, just as an Angel of light would do. But don't take him too seriously. He denies Jesus in dozens of ways by contradicting Him. He is a false apostle, just as Jesus said. Paul's name will certainly not be on the 12 gates of the New Jerusalem. He may not even be there.
Why did you say the gentiles were not expected to keep the law? Didn't you just quote Paul teaching the law to them in Timothy 5:8 "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain" Why would he teach such a scripture if they were not to keep it...that would be confusing.
Unfortunately Mike as good as he is in many areas falls flat in understanding that Gods commands are for all his followers. Not for salvation but for obedience to God.
Therefore, with your minds ready for action, be serious and set your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. As obedient children, do not be conformed to the desires of your former ignorance. But as the One who called you is holy, you also are to be holy in all your conduct; for it is written, Be holy, because I am holy.
1 Peter 1:13-16 HCSB
Last verse qoutes lectivus. After various commands God would say be holy because I am holy. Following Gods law isnt about why it's about that fact that He is God not us. So obey. So sad that this simple thing has been lost for almost 1700+ years.
1 Tim 5:18
I heard in romans they were talking about Jesus washing his hands not about the food he didn’t eat unclean meat but he had unclean hands. And the Pharisees were mad because Jesus he didn’t follow oral law. Which most people believe that oral law was abolished not written
Also defiling and uncleanliness were 2 different words used in leviticus
It seems very bizarre that anyone could believe these strange things about Paul. I believe it is absolutely their convicted spirits causing them to desperately seek a weak link in the Bible. It is very child-like in my opinion. I hope you reach the lost and confused through your excellent videos.
Paul never knew the human Jesus but was intimately aware due to the persecution. It's not a bizarre observation and due to Paul allowing non Jewish believers to drop Jewish law is makes the observation understandable since the apostles and Jesus were observant Jews.
I dare you pastor to study or prove any point without using paul.....thats when you get the one voice and charater .....try i dare you once ....try without paul or his books that made 66 ...when there are only 40 books of actual scripture ....yes 39 and the epistle of Jesus to man
What about 1 & 2 Peter, James, Jude, 1, 2 & 3 John and Revelation?
And Hebrews
@@rysloan yes exactly right !
And i can !
And you must realise that the pauline church is following the only "holy" person in all of time to find the law unto death !!
EVERY SINGLE HOLY MAN ,PROPHET, DISCIPLE AND JESUS HIMSELF FIND IT GOOD AND LIFE
1000s= AGREE ITS LIFE
1 = FOUND IT UNTO DEATH
1000s= law is good
1= law is a curse
SO DO YOU LOVE TRUTH?
OR EXCUSES FOR IGNORING THE TRUTH ?
GUESS WHICH YOU FOLLOW 😲
ITS JUST TRUTH ...YOU WELCOME TO CHECK FROM BEGINNING TO END AND ALLLLLLLLL THE HOLY WITNESSES AND DECIDE IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE WRONG SINGLE ONLY WITNESS AND DEFENDING IT ...
GOOD LUCK !
@@rysloan if you need help checking just msg anytime and ill do my best ....BUT I CAN ONLY HELP IF YOU DO BELIEVE JESUS WORDS ARE TRUTH
@@rysloan look.the truth is i can in a single sentance prove to you that you do not God or believe Jesus and you know where not believing Jesus is gonna land you right ?.
Believing Jesus is key right?
YOU DO NOT ATM.
you are actually anti -the christ without realising it !
I can prove this undeniably and from old right to new testiment
BUT ...BUT ...I AM NOT HERE TO BREAK FAITH IN JESUS OR THE WORD ...SOO IF YOU NOT GONNA STICK AROUND AND LISTEN FURTHER I CANT DO IT
YOU ARE BETTER OFF NOT KNOWING THAN KNOWING AND CONTINUE TO DENY
Who can not look at the state of the 30 000 churches ..and considering paul being called the greatest influence on the spead of the church ... ....who cant question the "FRUITS" of paul
Can you please explain this verse from Paul for me 2 Corrinthians 12 verse 16?