The Trinity in Ancient Jewish Books
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Many Jewish thinkers have recognized there is Trinitarian evidence in the old testament and this video goes over these facts.
The Trinity in the Old Testament: • The Trinity in the Old...
Sources:
podcast.foundjs.org/the-bodies...
The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel - Dr. Benjamin Sommer
www.biblestudying.net/trinity9...
Genesis, The JPS Torah Commentary - Nahum Sarna
Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus - Dr. Michael Brown
The Works of Philo - Translated by C. D. Yonge
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As a born Jew & now Catholic, I greatly appreciate this, Michael. 🙏
I pray you meet Christ as He is and leave the lies of Rome
@@thomasthellamas9886 Submit to rome
@@petergetsgirls199 only if God tells me to do so
Where in the Bible does it say, “submit to Rome.”?
What has anything in Catholicism, got to do with the Bible?
Catholicism is Pagan Heresy.
The Romans crucified Jesus and destroyed Jerusalem in AD70.
Jesus was a Jew, not Roman. The Popes are false imposters and the entire Catholic system is the AntiChrist, that’s mentioned in Revelation.
The Greek word Anti means false, as in a false imposter. Just look at the pope, what is he wearing?
All the teachings and practices of Catholicism, are from various Pagan religions and have no place in True Christianity.
The Romans usurped Christianity, to prolong the Roman Empire, by bringing all the variety of religions into one.
Catholicism conflicts with the Bible and regards the Church’s authority above the Bible.
The history of Catholicism and the Popes, is a far cry from the message of Christianity and the example of Jesus.
Jesus is the Lord and King. The Popes of Rome are false pretenders who follow after the way of the Flesh, not the Fruit of the Spirit.
Am I right?
@@petergetsgirls199 submit to Jesus.
Love your videos. I am a student of the Orthodox Theological Faculty in Belgrade. Your videos helped me a lot to understand things that weren't clear to me. Greetings from Serbia.
It's nice to see I'm not the only Orthodox here.
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Greetings my Orthodox brothers!
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One of the top Christian youtube channels out here. Your work is outstanding!
They are very good when they stick to scripture. Sometimes they wonder into false interpretations or man made beliefs.
@@justchilling704 Inspiring Philosophy is the "who".
@@justchilling704 Yes. Well if you have problems with Genesis it often leads to problems elsewhere. Jude, 2 Peter, John... Etc.
If you want the confusion the trinity brings then that's up to you.
I used to believe the trinity but it reached the point that it made no sense. No matter how all the silly analogies were given, three 100% gods, could not equal one God.
www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/practical-consequences-of-believing-in-the-trinity
www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/is-jesus-god
www.biblicalunitarian.com/100-scriptural-arguments-for-the-unitarian-faith
@@2fast2block Some things are hard to understand, doesn't mean its not true.
Love how he said "and as you can see here" and then showing Hebrew writings like we can read it
6:17 “Since God was untouchable, the spoken word of God came to us and did these things.”
That would mean this “spoken word of God” acted as a mediator between God and man. Awesome! 👏 👉Jesus
Absolutely ✔️
Perfect timing brother, I needed this.
"That there is this one God who manifests itself in three different ways"
THAT'S MODALISM, BENJAMIN!!!
That's not the point. IP was illustrating early Jewish accounts of some proto-theories of God being multi-personal, he was not saying that they were holding to our conception of the Trinity. In fact IP admits that Philo was more of an Arianist
@@Beastinvader He's referencing the LutheranSatire video about St. Patrick's bad analogies.
@@berwynsigns4115 I know. It's a brilliant video. He was still making a mistake. We all agree in hindsight this was modalism, but it showed they were on the right track. Modalism is a step closer.
His name is I AM! not WE ARE!
@@truekingsknight897 not necessarily as the Lord clearly says "let us make man in our own image and in our own likeness." The Hebrew word Elohim literally means "gods" or "mighty ones." There has always been a plurality in the description of God, always.
Thank you so much, this trilogy has made me realize the difference between the Father and Jesus in the story of Jesus because I always thought it was horrible to say God is Jesus thinking that they meant the Father is the Son. Thank you for enlightening me on the difference between God, Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit.
There will be time, times, and half a time, and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things will be finished." Daniel 12:7
We're in Times, not Time. This ➡️ 🧔👴🕊️abomination of desolation standing in the holy place leads to this ➡️ 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 desolating abomination at the end of the world (2 THESS 2:3-13) Matthew 24:15 ("let the reader understand.") Vengeance isn't limited to the destruction of Jerusalem anymore, it's on the whole world/Babylon for rejecting Him. Hence because we're in TIMES, we don't read that as "in Judea." We read it as "in the world/Babylon" Flee to the mountains (Father Jesus in heaven). Of course we're still literally in the world, but spiritually... "In the world, not of it." Faith can move mountains.
NOTICE THE WORDS I PUT IN CAPS. SUPER IMPORTANT. JOHN 14 ➡️ “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?” Jesus said to him, “I am the way (Son) the truth (Spirit) and the life (Father). No one comes to the Father except through Me. “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?.... And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. “If you love Me, keep My commandments. AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
JOHN 16 ➡️ Therefore you now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you. “And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full. “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father. In that day you will ask in My name AND I DO NOT SAY TO YOU THAT I SHALL PRAY THE FATHER FOR YOU AND I DO NOT SAY TO YOU THAT I SHALL PRAY THE FATHER FOR YOU; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.” His disciples said to Him, “See, now You are speaking plainly, and using no figure of speech! Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.” Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe?
“You are My witnesses,” says the
Lord (Yahweh/Father) “And My servant (Son/Christ) whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He (SAVED BY JESUS THROUGH THE CHRIST: ONE GOD AND SAVIOUR). Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior. ISAIAH 43:10-11
And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He (YAHWEH: ONE GOD, FATHER AND SAVIOUR) you will die in your sins.”
JOHN 8:23-24
I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. ISAIAH 45:5
🧔👴🕊️⬅️ God is NOT mocked. The pagan Trinity is the false/replacement/anti Christ. Rejecting Jesus by splitting the Son from the Father and saying "IS NOT", you're now worshiping a man who has been elevated up to God status in your temples. When you do that you deny that Jesus is the Christ and that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.
We aren't still waiting for the "falling away." That was written 2000 years ago. We're in TIMES, not TIME.
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son/flesh of the living God (Father: One God, the Father/I AM). And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. MATTHEW 16:15-18
Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus (God, hence Father) is the Christ? (Son, hence Father) This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 1 JOHN 2:22-23
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. 1 JOHN 4:1-3
This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus (God, hence Father) Christ (Son, hence Father) as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ (Son, hence Father) does not have God (Father). He who abides in the doctrine of Christ Son, hence Father) has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 6:7-11
The Father came in the flesh by sending His Son, born of a woman; hence, not mother of God. "you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ who you sent." The distinction is the humanity (root and descendent of David). God (the Father) is not of this world.
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 THESSALONIANS 2:3-4
"In the beginning was the plan of salvation through the Christ, and the plan of salvation through the Christ was with Jesus, and the plan of salvation through the Christ was Jesus. This one was in the beginning with Jesus. All things were made through Him (by Jesus through the Christ.) ..... the plan of salvation through the Christ was made flesh (Jesus Christ.... ("we shall call Him Jesus" "I have come in my Father's name and you receive me not. If someone comes in his own name ➡️🧔👴🕊️ him you will receive") and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. 1 CORINTHIANS 8:6
Do not be unbelieving, but believing. ”And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus (God, hence Father) is the Christ (Son, hence Father), the Son/flesh of God (one God, the Father), and that believing you may have life in His name. JOHN 20:27-31
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
ISAIAH 9:6
But now, O Yahweh, You are our Father; We are the clay, and You our potter; And all of us are the work of Your hand. ISAIAH 64:8
Globe Earth and Heliocentrism is false and pagan, too. As is Christmas. All pagan. When Jesus says "Jews who say they are Jews but are the synagogue of Satan." Jews in that context was surely in reference to true Israel (both Jews and gentiles in Christ). The religion of Christianity are those "Jews."
There's eternal consequences for believing the word of man over the word of God.
One of the greatest parallels I’ve read in Scripture proving the three persons of the Trinity is as follows.
John 12:36b-41 NASB
[36] … These things Jesus spoke, and He went away and hid m Himself from them. [37] But though He had performed so many signs before them, yet they were not believing in Him. [38] This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: "Lord, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT? AND TO WHOM HAS THE ARM OF THE LORD BEEN REVEALED?" [39] For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, [40] "He HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE hardened THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM." [41] These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and he spoke of Him.
The Greek Septuagint says it this way:
Esaias 6:1, 8-10 LXX
1. And it came to pass in the year in which king Ozias died, [that] I saw the Lord sitting on a high and exalted throne, and the house was FULL OF HIS GLORY... 8. And I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go to this people? And I said, behold, I am [here], send me. And he said, Go, and say to this people, 9. Ye shall hear indeed, but ye shall not understand; and ye shall see indeed, but ye shall not perceive. 10. For the heart of this people has become gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
One thing that needs to be understood is that at the time of this event and afterward, the common text that was universally in use was the Greek translation of the Old Testament known as the Septuagint. This is why John uses the word “glory” in v. 41 and not “train” as clearly expressed in the Hebrew (Isaiah 6:1).
But what's even more intriguing is that John asserts that Isaiah saw Jesus. Now we have to ask the question, who did Isaiah see? Isaiah would have said Yahweh. But if you were to ask John, who did Isaiah see? John would say Jesus.
What's even more interesting is that Paul also makes reference to this Isaiah passage; yet, he indicates that it was the Holy Spirit that Isaiah heard speaking to him.
Acts 28:25b-27 NASB
[25] … Paul had spoken one parting word, “The Holy Spirit rightly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to your fathers, [26] saying, 'Go TO THIS PEOPLE AND SAY, "You WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; AND YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE; [27] For the heart of this people has become dull, And with their ears they scarcely hear, And they have closed their eyes; Otherwise they might see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart and return, And I would heal them .”’
Now we have to ask the question again, who did Isaiah see? Isaiah would have said Yahweh. But if you were to ask John, who did Isaiah see? John would say Jesus. If we were to ask Paul, who was speaking to Isaiah, Paul would say it was the Holy Spirit.
And there you have it, a perfect expression of the Triunity of God found in the writings of the inspired prophets and the apostles.
Playing devil's advocate here, I feel like it doesn't necessarily allude to Jesus until John says it does, and until Paul says it's the Holy Spirit. It could technically be argued that maybe new testament writers made an effort to make it seem LIKE that's what it refers to, but it's also not bulletproof as there have been cases of double prophecies in the bible. Like the prophecy given to Daniel of Alexander the Great and, was it Antiochus? I don't remember, and then towards the end alludes to something that hasn't happened yet but will happen further in the future. So yeah, like that
@@nox567 True, but there’s generally 2 arguments against the trinity:
1. The 1st argument is generally made by Jews: the old testament does not explicitly mention the trinity, therefore new testament writers made up the doctrine of the trinity.
2. The 2nd argument is generally made by Muslims: Jesus and the new testament writers did not explicitly mention the trinity, therefore early church fathers made up the doctrine of the trinity at the council of Nicea.
I think the comment above would argue against the second argument, which is made by muslims. But it wouldn’t argue against the Jewish view.
@@MarvelousSquad the Jewish view of the concept is not at all foreign to them. Yeshua/Jesus is what most of them by their traditions would refer to as the Memra/Word of God that serves as a mediator between God and Man and is even worthy of praise. In the Targum, everytime God interacts with humans, God is replaced with Memra to reconcile the fact that God said he cannot be seen, for example Jacob made a statement, "...the Memra of God will be my God."
And the idea of that essence of God taking flesh, like a Shekhinah is also not foreign. People forget that God can sit enthroned in heaven in glory, fill the whole universe with his spirit, and fill up the whole tabernacle or temple with his power so that no human will even be capable of entering, while also being able to visit Abraham in human form all simultaneously. I think people just assume that the whole concept somehow depletes from God, which we know isn't true.
So the idea isn't at all foreign to them if their being honest, and even in the old testament especially in the psalms the word of God is described as a concrete entity worthy of praise and obedience, there's nothing idolatrous about the concept at all if you have the right understanding of it
@@nox567 It’s not foreign to them, but they still view the trinity as heretical
@@MarvelousSquadin respect to the Jews, they actively suppress certain scriptures such as Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, etc that reference the Messiah coming in the form of a suffering servant. It took until 1054 for Isaiah 53 to be attributed to the nation of Israel, and not the Christ, for example.
Muslims do not understand the Trinity and do not want to. They view Allah as the one God who exists as a physical being. The Spirit of Allah is Gabriel, and the word of Allah became the Quran. Which is ironic, because they say God cant become a man, but He can become a book.
GLORY to our Triune God 🙏☦️✝️
God is not triune
@@lucasmaagi This ex-Muslim begs to differ...th-cam.com/video/koWH47deHfk/w-d-xo.html
@@lucasmaagi He is
@@dylanbonilla3683 1 Corinthians 8:6, John 17:3, Ephesians 4:6, James 2:19 what do you get from these?
@@lucasmaagi john 17:3 is very trinitarian because both figures give eternal life and john 17:5 says And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. which means he pre existed his birth
james 2:19 says that there is only 1 God it isn´t saying there are 3 gods and a person who would think that james 2:19 is a refutation to the trinity is the same person who thinks there is 3 gods
1 corinthians 8:6 isn´t a refutation to the trinity because it says that we cannot live without both
Ephesians 4:6 isn´t even a refutation at all and did you even read the verse because it says that there is only one lord, one faith, one baptism, and one God and we trinitarians hold to the belief in 1 God
Thank you for taking the time to put this all together and sharing it with us.
I recently began studying the trinity and found it all over the old testament
You can also find it in Zoroastrianism
It is unique to the divine. It is a joy to study it. Others may see it as a nonsense, but to the seekers of truth, rejoice in this revelation!
Love your video, bless you. Sometimes when my faith stumbles I fall on videos like this and this really helps me say focused !
The old testament is beutiful. I love reading how the 70 elders saw the God of Israel on the mountain yet it says if you see God you will die. I think they might have saw Jesus.
If you want the confusion the trinity brings then that's up to you.
I used to believe the trinity but it reached the point that it made no sense. No matter how all the silly analogies were given, three 100% gods, could not equal one God.
www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/practical-consequences-of-believing-in-the-trinity
www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/is-jesus-god
www.biblicalunitarian.com/100-scriptural-arguments-for-the-unitarian-faith
Maybe the story is made up.
@@2fast2block 1x1=1
@@colleenepage so this was somehow showing the trinity all ok and logical...
"1x1=1"
And you're serious?
@@2fast2block it's how 3 100% Gods equal one God.
A helpful and much needed video! Valuable info given Kudos to producer of this video
"Let us make man in our own image." I always believed that this verse from Genesis is the first manifestation of the Trinity in the Old Testament. Some heretical groups claimed that God is talking to the angels in this verse but angels cannot participate in the creation because they themselves are created.
Angels may create if they exist. I don't see a problem with that. But John chapter 1 says "All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made" if I recall correctly-- so a Christian can say that this is a Trinity.
I don't know that it's wrong for God to say "let us..." in reference to angels, but Genesis says that man was made in the image and likeness of God, not of God and angels (Gen 1:27). So it seems a bit of a stretch to say he is speaking of himself and the angels.
“Some heretical groups”....? You mean modern Trinitarian critical scholarship and some of the most universally respected and used Trinitarian commentaries....please do not just speak out of emotion without really questioning how you know your “facts”....
(Go see the footnote in the NET Bible for example, a bible translation dedicated to footnotes and commentary and endorsed and helped created by Daniel Wallace)
@@youngknowledgeseeker yes heretical groups if they deny the trinity
Diego Barragan no buddy sorry. Truth is more important than tradition, sorry... Daniel Wallace....
@@youngknowledgeseeker it’s not my opinion, it’s literally heretical if it contradicts the ecumenical councils.
it’s so cool to see how perfectly the trinity works not just in the OT, but in general
Whom shall we worship (Rev 19:10; 22:9;)and whom did the Apostles worshipped ? (Luk 24:52; Mat 28:9,17;)
Why did they worshipped Him ?Jn 4:24; 2 Cor 3:17; Jn 8:24,28; 13:19; (Deu 32:39; Isa. 41:4; 48:12) Jn 20:28; (Heb 5:7-8; Rom 1:4; Jn 20:31;) Rev 1:7-8,17-18; Tit 2:13; 1 Jn 5:20; Messiah Yeshua is the FORM OF God. Lord is Spirit, God is Spirit, but He has a heavenly form (Gen. 18:1-2,33; 19:1; 32:30; Ex 6:2-4; 3:14-15; 33:20-23; Mar 9:1-3; Luk 9:28-29; 2 Pe 1:16;) and an earthly form (Phil 2:6; Jn 1:14;)
It is better to agree with the teaching of the Lord and of the Apostles. Every word that came from the mouth of Lord Yeshua Messiah it is a Commandment and Men have the duty to obey them Eccl 12:13; Rev 12:17; 14:12; Deu 18:18-19; without turning to the left or right. Deu 5:27,29,32-33; Job 22:21-22; 23: 11-15; I am not a pastor /preacher or a teacher. But when by chance I happened to hear this TH-cam teaching and read some of the comments, I thought of putting my comments as I could not find Moses, Messiah Yeshua or the Apostles teaching this doctrine. In my view, is there any requirement for arriving at a logical conclusion when the scripture clearly teaches that Lord is not Two or Three but ONE (Spirit & the form of God when the Spirit manifests to the children of men) But Christianity teaches it is Three. Are we greater than the Lord or the Apostles ?
When I listened to Moses, he says God is One and we shall teach them diligently to our children.we shall write them.When I read the New Testament, Mar 9:7 says “This is my beloved son. Listen to him” and when I listened to Messiah, he taught the same teaching as that of Moses. Mar 12:28-29; When I listened to the Apostles, I heard the same teaching Rom 3:30; But when I listened to the TH-cam teachers, it is a totally different teaching, just the opposite of what Moses, Messiah and the Apostles taught, to make their point, various interpretations also given.
Apostle Paul wrote 1 Tim 4:13-14,16; “devote yourself to the public READING of SCRIPTURE, to exhortation, to teaching”. “Practice these things, immerse yourself in them”. “Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers”. Some even claims that the Jewish rabbi’s put forth this teaching. Then I remembered Tit 1:14,16; “not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth” “They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work”
It is better to AVOID controversies.2 Tim 2:23; 1 Tim. 6:4-5; Tit 3:9-11;
Like Hymenaeus and Philetus, this False Teaching are upsetting the faith of some. But God's firm foundation (2 Tim 2:19;) stands, bearing this seal.
Albeit, let what you have learned and understood guide you and let what I have learned and understood guide me.
@@rejipaul2185 It's 1 year now. Are you still living in Delusion??😕
@@rejipaul2185 ? What's your point?
There will be time, times, and half a time, and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things will be finished." Daniel 12:7
We're in Times, not Time. This ➡️ 🧔👴🕊️abomination of desolation standing in the holy place leads to this ➡️ 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 desolating abomination at the end of the world (2 THESS 2:3-13) Matthew 24:15 ("let the reader understand.") Vengeance isn't limited to the destruction of Jerusalem anymore, it's on the whole world/Babylon for rejecting Him. Hence because we're in TIMES, we don't read that as "in Judea." We read it as "in the world/Babylon" Flee to the mountains (Father Jesus in heaven). Of course we're still literally in the world, but spiritually... "In the world, not of it." Faith can move mountains.
NOTICE THE WORDS I PUT IN CAPS. SUPER IMPORTANT. JOHN 14 ➡️ “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?” Jesus said to him, “I am the way (Son) the truth (Spirit) and the life (Father). No one comes to the Father except through Me. “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?.... And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. “If you love Me, keep My commandments. AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
JOHN 16 ➡️ Therefore you now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you. “And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full. “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father. In that day you will ask in My name AND I DO NOT SAY TO YOU THAT I SHALL PRAY THE FATHER FOR YOU AND I DO NOT SAY TO YOU THAT I SHALL PRAY THE FATHER FOR YOU; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.” His disciples said to Him, “See, now You are speaking plainly, and using no figure of speech! Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.” Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe?
“You are My witnesses,” says the
Lord (Yahweh/Father) “And My servant (Son/Christ) whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He (SAVED BY JESUS THROUGH THE CHRIST: ONE GOD AND SAVIOUR). Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior. ISAIAH 43:10-11
And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He (YAHWEH: ONE GOD, FATHER AND SAVIOUR) you will die in your sins.”
JOHN 8:23-24
I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. ISAIAH 45:5
🧔👴🕊️⬅️ God is NOT mocked. The pagan Trinity is the false/replacement/anti Christ. Rejecting Jesus by splitting the Son from the Father and saying "IS NOT", you're now worshiping a man who has been elevated up to God status in your temples. When you do that you deny that Jesus is the Christ and that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.
We aren't still waiting for the "falling away." That was written 2000 years ago. We're in TIMES, not TIME.
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son/flesh of the living God (Father: One God, the Father/I AM). And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. MATTHEW 16:15-18
Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus (God, hence Father) is the Christ? (Son, hence Father) This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 1 JOHN 2:22-23
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. 1 JOHN 4:1-3
This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus (God, hence Father) Christ (Son, hence Father) as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ (Son, hence Father) does not have God (Father). He who abides in the doctrine of Christ Son, hence Father) has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 6:7-11
The Father came in the flesh by sending His Son, born of a woman; hence, not mother of God. "you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ who you sent." The distinction is the humanity (root and descendent of David). God (the Father) is not of this world.
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 THESSALONIANS 2:3-4
"In the beginning was the plan of salvation through the Christ, and the plan of salvation through the Christ was with Jesus, and the plan of salvation through the Christ was Jesus. This one was in the beginning with Jesus. All things were made through Him (by Jesus through the Christ.) ..... the plan of salvation through the Christ was made flesh (Jesus Christ.... ("we shall call Him Jesus" "I have come in my Father's name and you receive me not. If someone comes in his own name ➡️🧔👴🕊️ him you will receive") and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. 1 CORINTHIANS 8:6
Do not be unbelieving, but believing. ”And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus (God, hence Father) is the Christ (Son, hence Father), the Son/flesh of God (one God, the Father), and that believing you may have life in His name. JOHN 20:27-31
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
ISAIAH 9:6
But now, O Yahweh, You are our Father; We are the clay, and You our potter; And all of us are the work of Your hand. ISAIAH 64:8
Globe Earth and Heliocentrism is false and pagan, too. As is Christmas. All pagan. When Jesus says "Jews who say they are Jews but are the synagogue of Satan." Jews in that context was surely in reference to true Israel (both Jews and gentiles in Christ). The religion of Christianity are those "Jews."
There's eternal consequences for believing the word of man over the word of God.
Different powers of God are clearly revealed in the Old Testament ... still One God YHWH and the very same Yeshua revealed in human flesh. This video is well done.
Narishkeit. Where do you come up with these ideas?
Are you a christian or oneness? Christians are always be trinitarians.
@@basilbaby3481 no most Christians were non trinitarians in the early church....not trinitarians
If you want the confusion the trinity brings then that's up to you.
I used to believe the trinity but it reached the point that it made no sense. No matter how all the silly analogies were given, three 100% gods, could not equal one God.
www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/practical-consequences-of-believing-in-the-trinity
www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/is-jesus-god
www.biblicalunitarian.com/100-scriptural-arguments-for-the-unitarian-faith
2fast2block Does the virgin birth make sense? Or being raised from the dead?
Love this Channel. Smart guy.
There are passages in Genesis where one sentence states God and the next sentence says Angel referring to the same identity.
Your research is awesome.
Saying that God "manifests himself in three ways" is not the same as saying there are three persons (self aware beings) who are each God. The latter is trinitarianism. The former is a type of simultaneous modalism
There is only one being.
I think this guy who is speaking in this video believed that Jesus is Michael the archangel,which is not true! I believe in the Triune concept of God but i dont believe that Jesus is the same person as Michael!
This reminds me of Lapid Judaism. They believe strictly in one God who can interact with the physical world in various ways based on Jewish texts, not in three persons who unite into one loosely connected "person."
@@my2cents49 you mean "being". There is three person in one being not one person.
Arent we three in one as well? Dont we have a body,soul and Spirit and theyre distinct?
Dr. Michael Heiser has some excellent material on this topic.
yes!
Nah this is all heretical to Judaism, he doesn’t understand the talmud
@@agadirand4four347 and yet pre-christian texts exist concerning the debate about the Angel of the Lord being also the Lord. And the New Testament makes it one of the most obvious doctrines possible outside of the resurrection of Jesus that Jesus was God.
And yep, Jesus was God born of a woman, defecated, needed food, bled, and all.
Not that weird since the OT has people seeing God standing in front of them as a man pretty regularly.
I missed you IP! Glory be another video!😀😀
funny enough this concerned something that was in my first question ever commenting on your videos, it was the Trinity in the old testament video and I asked about the metatron. wow that was a while ago. Either way great video IP.
This is a great summary with respect to the one true God including the mystery. As a Christian who believes the Trinity, I can say there is just as much value in reflecting that God is One, one Being, as in hearing about the Three. But I hear the unity so much less often in sermons.
There will be time, times, and half a time, and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things will be finished." Daniel 12:7
We're in Times, not Time. This ➡️ 🧔👴🕊️abomination of desolation standing in the holy place leads to this ➡️ 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 desolating abomination at the end of the world (2 THESS 2:3-13) Matthew 24:15 ("let the reader understand.") Vengeance isn't limited to the destruction of Jerusalem anymore, it's on the whole world/Babylon for rejecting Him. Hence because we're in TIMES, we don't read that as "in Judea." We read it as "in the world/Babylon" Flee to the mountains (Father Jesus in heaven). Of course we're still literally in the world, but spiritually... "In the world, not of it." Faith can move mountains.
NOTICE THE WORDS I PUT IN CAPS. SUPER IMPORTANT. JOHN 14 ➡️ “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?” Jesus said to him, “I am the way (Son) the truth (Spirit) and the life (Father). No one comes to the Father except through Me. “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?.... And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. “If you love Me, keep My commandments. AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
JOHN 16 ➡️ Therefore you now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you. “And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full. “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father. In that day you will ask in My name AND I DO NOT SAY TO YOU THAT I SHALL PRAY THE FATHER FOR YOU AND I DO NOT SAY TO YOU THAT I SHALL PRAY THE FATHER FOR YOU; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.” His disciples said to Him, “See, now You are speaking plainly, and using no figure of speech! Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.” Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe?
“You are My witnesses,” says the
Lord (Yahweh/Father) “And My servant (Son/Christ) whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He (SAVED BY JESUS THROUGH THE CHRIST: ONE GOD AND SAVIOUR). Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior. ISAIAH 43:10-11
And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He (YAHWEH: ONE GOD, FATHER AND SAVIOUR) you will die in your sins.”
JOHN 8:23-24
I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. ISAIAH 45:5
🧔👴🕊️⬅️ God is NOT mocked. The pagan Trinity is the false/replacement/anti Christ. Rejecting Jesus by splitting the Son from the Father and saying "IS NOT", you're now worshiping a man who has been elevated up to God status in your temples. When you do that you deny that Jesus is the Christ and that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.
We aren't still waiting for the "falling away." That was written 2000 years ago. We're in TIMES, not TIME.
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son/flesh of the living God (Father: One God, the Father/I AM). And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. MATTHEW 16:15-18
Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus (God, hence Father) is the Christ? (Son, hence Father) This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 1 JOHN 2:22-23
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. 1 JOHN 4:1-3
This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus (God, hence Father) Christ (Son, hence Father) as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ (Son, hence Father) does not have God (Father). He who abides in the doctrine of Christ Son, hence Father) has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 6:7-11
The Father came in the flesh by sending His Son, born of a woman; hence, not mother of God. "you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ who you sent." The distinction is the humanity (root and descendent of David). God (the Father) is not of this world.
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 THESSALONIANS 2:3-4
"In the beginning was the plan of salvation through the Christ, and the plan of salvation through the Christ was with Jesus, and the plan of salvation through the Christ was Jesus. This one was in the beginning with Jesus. All things were made through Him (by Jesus through the Christ.) ..... the plan of salvation through the Christ was made flesh (Jesus Christ.... ("we shall call Him Jesus" "I have come in my Father's name and you receive me not. If someone comes in his own name ➡️🧔👴🕊️ him you will receive") and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. 1 CORINTHIANS 8:6
Do not be unbelieving, but believing. ”And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus (God, hence Father) is the Christ (Son, hence Father), the Son/flesh of God (one God, the Father), and that believing you may have life in His name. JOHN 20:27-31
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
ISAIAH 9:6
But now, O Yahweh, You are our Father; We are the clay, and You our potter; And all of us are the work of Your hand. ISAIAH 64:8
Globe Earth and Heliocentrism is false and pagan, too. As is Christmas. All pagan. When Jesus says "Jews who say they are Jews but are the synagogue of Satan." Jews in that context was surely in reference to true Israel (both Jews and gentiles in Christ). The religion of Christianity are those "Jews."
There's eternal consequences for believing the word of man over the word of God.
Superb work, brother. Do you do all the research, scripting, and editing yourself?
God bless
@@agadirand4four347 rather trust scholars than a washed up nobody on the comment section
Great video! (As always)
Great video once again!!
Is it not correct that a Jew would say no one can see God and live? ; and equally true that Jacob wrestled with God? That would seem to me to be a direct contradiction, how would they resolve it?
In fact many people in the old testament seem to have seen God, walked with Him, had a meal, what do Jewish believers do with these events in reconciliation with the fact that none have seen God?
As a Christian it is quite obviously Yeshua they are interacting with and God the Father that no man but Christ has seen, so there is nothing to resolve, but I would be curious to know how they get around it.
they would say they were with an angel like stephen did when talking about moses in acts 7
Some Christians claim that the Bible teaches that God cannot be seen by mortals, and so claims to have seen God the Father or Jesus Christ must be false. However, numerous Biblical verses attest that God has been seen by select humans. John 1:18, which the critics use to argue otherwise, has been interpreted differently by early Christians to avoid the self-contradiction which the critics' reading creates for the Bible.
If God can say "I change not," (Malachi 3:6) and he has appeared to mortals in the past, as the Bible bears record, why would he change his tactics and refuse to appear to modern prophets?
The most commonly used Biblical citation invoked by the critics is probably John 1:18, which reads “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
Early Christian author Irenaeus wrote in A.D. 180 that this scripture should be read “For "no man," he says, "hath seen God at any time," unless "the only-begotten Son of God, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared [Him]."
Furthermore, by adopting this approach, Irenaeus' interpretation of John 1:18 harmonized with the rest of the Bible and the qualifications which the Bible provides for those who may see God. The requirements are:
Must be "of God" “Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.” (John 6:46.) Some critics will argue that only Jesus "is of God", but that position is unscriptural. Moses too was "of God"(Deuteronomy 33:1), as well as Samuel (1 Samuel 9:10), Shemaiah (1 Kings 12:22), and Elijah (1 Kings 17:24).
Must have "peace and holiness" within you "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which, no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14.)
Must be pure in heart "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God" (Matthew 5:8.)
As the numerous Biblical references demonstrate, the idea of seeing God is hardly foreign to Hebrew or early Christian thought. There are also non-scriptural examples: Philo the Jew taught that the name Israel was compounded of 3 words “ish” “rah” “El”, which means “man seeing God;” this view is also found in the apocryphal Prayer of Joseph. And, an early Christian document called the Clementine Homilies portrays the apostle Peter as agreeing with Irenaeus' view:
“For I maintain that the eyes of mortals cannot see the incorporeal form of the Father or Son, because it is illumined by exceeding great light. . . . For he who sees God cannot live. For the excess of light dissolves the flesh of him who sees; unless by the secret power of God the flesh be changed into the nature of light, so that it can see light.”
Johanis Ardnt exactly. 10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, Deut 34:10
2. And he saw God face to face, and he talked with him, and the glory of God was upon Moses; therefore Moses could endure his presence.
11. But now mine own eyes have beheld God; but not my natural, but my spiritual eyes, for my natural eyes could not have beheld; for I should have withered and died in his presence; but his glory was upon me; and I beheld his face, for I was transfigured before him. Moses 1:2,11
@@UVJ_Scott A couple of quick side points James….you’re referencing God or seem to be as though God was a name for the Father. In fact Yashua is God….I am confident you will agree…So to reference the Father as though His name is God is confusing. I know a lot of people do so……but in fact God like man is a reference to a being, a nature…
Secondly the scriptural reference you are pointing to with the claim that to see the Father is a matter of being of the Father is a bit ambiguous, as it could legitimately be said it refers Yashua alone…or to all who have received the adoption as you suggest….or it may also be that those who have not to this point but will see the Father are being referenced….
I do concede there is a possibility of your usage but even so the question I asked was put to Jews who do not accept Yashua or His teachings…so this scripture, what Christians accept as scripture can not be used authoritatively in any sense. This is to point out that the current Jewish position is inconsistent and introduces contradictions; which if one holds the scripture to be the actual word of God should not be present.
Patrick, thanks for the important clarifications. I have noticed that some members of the Jewish faith are converting to Christianity due to dreams and other direct interventions by Yashua. Many of these conversions are posted on the “One for Israel” TH-cam channel.
Thanks for the excellent video!
Another great video IP :-D
Got to say, you do some amazing research. Even though I sometimes like to add in my two cents to your videos, you're filling in a lot of blanks in my knowledge.
Great video, InspiringPhilosophy! God bless you!
Great video brother
I loved this video! the more I learn about our Lord, the closer our relationship gets. Sending love from Armenia!!
First Christian Nation in the world ❤️🇦🇲
Great videos !! Thank you and God bless you !
Inspiring philosophy- how's everything going, I didn't know you were down wit Dr Michael Brown or his work, his Jewish objections to Jesus are well done as well as his 32 video series of many objections on his channel and many debates over the years he has done, well done video from you and a last thing is have you ever been in any formal debates video or audio on any topics?
Yes, I have done online debates around the internet.
Glory be to the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen!
Very well done. Thank you.
Your work is just amazing
Good... God bless you brother
Older video but it deserves to be bookmarked. Lot of condensed info that may come in handy. It seems that objections to the Trinity are as continuous today as the day the word trinity was first used.
I really loved this :) People with logical sense can easily recognise that the holy trinity is the true god.. But Yet the Holy trinity cannot be fully explained or understandable by the human nature.. Because we have limits.. And cannot go beyond that.. GLORY TO THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR EVER AND EVER !!
I'm sorry but this doesn't make any sense. How can you, in one sentence, say that anyone with logical sense can see that the trinity is the true God, and then in the next sentence say that humans can't comprehend the trinity? It's either easily understood or it's impossible to understand. It can't be both at the same time.
Michael Brown
Its the same concept with how we can recognize a 4D universe, yet not understand it for what it is. Just like how we’re one being, yet we can understand the concept of being 3 persons yet ONE being, without experiencing it for what it is.
@@mrb532 We understand gravity exists, yet do not know what it is made of. We know very little about gravity compared to what we could know.
@@mrb532 Do you comprehend how God is eternal and immaterial? No. But you still know that He is. Reducing God just so we can understand Him is disrespecting Him.
Apply your standards to yourself first before criticizing others.
Anyone with sense will reject the catholic false doctrine of trinity.....the non trinitarians were orthodox not the trinitarians
Excellent work. Thank you.
Great video man!
For anyone looking up references, at about 5:00, the part about Nahum Sarna, the reference to the angel is Exodus 14:19 not 14:9.
Great presentation.
Excellent teaching, sir!
The aspects of God are often mentioned in the larger books of the Prophets, & even briefly in the minor prophets. Although there is often disagreement as to what they were saying between Christians & Jews, I fully agree that to say such things are not there, is to bury ones head in the sand. I have listened to Rabbi on this, & most of them will at least approach the subject, but few will give as much ground as was presented here.
One of the hardest lessons to learn is to be humble before your God. To hear what is said, not what you *want* him to say. Great as always!
God Bless
CHRIST IS RISEN ☦️
I'm an ex-muslim Coming from an islamic background and i can say this :
According to the Quran, "Jesus" is, The Word Of God and A Spirit from him, this verse is Questionable :
1. Is The Word Of God, Created or Eternal ?.
2. Is The Spirit Of God, Created Or Eternal ?.
1. If they are Eternal, that Means that the Word (Jesus) and The Spirit Are God Himself.
2. If they were Created, that means, God was inanimate, mute and lifeless and was forced to create a Spirit and a word for himself, (to be able) to fulfil his lack of "Being" and to overcome his previous state of incapability.
And this goes to other Divine Attributes like, Sight, Hearing, Speaking ext ...
(السميع و البصير).
When i shared this with many muslim friends he replied with the Concept of God's Will, he said that if God wants to hear or see or talk he'll fulfill those Attributes whenever he wants (and this is an absurd claim), it means that if God wants he can be All-sightful or blind or All-hearing or deaf or talktive or mute.
Which means, that God needs to create something else to fulfill his divine Attributes and to overcome his lack of Being, so he can see and hear and talk.
My comment context is about God, Before The Creation of anything else besides him, even angels.
Ontologicaly Speaking, A Unitarian God Does not make any sense and this is known as ''العطالة الإلهية عند المعتزلة" (Divine inertia or lackness or muteness) according to Al-Mutazila 😂😂😂
And pardon my awful english.
You should make videos bro.
This is fascinating. I first heard about this from Michael Heiser.
Superb! Yah bless you achi!
It's like water. Water, ice and steam are all still water. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all still God. Much love brothers and sisters Jesus Christ is King
careful... those are modes.
the son is not a mode of the father.
the son is distinct from the father. they are both co-existing, its not the son morphs to the father and the father then morphs to the son, assuming different modes of being.
that is what water ice steam does. its modalism.
trinity is not modalism.
in the trinity, all 3 are their own persons and all 3 exists at the same time and are not just one mode of the other!
@@tanko.reactions176 is Eve being called Adam a better example then?
@@elguan737 no use the Sun if anything. The Sun, the Light and the Heat.
The Sun emmits the Light and heat proceeds from it.
All apologies break down.
The sun analogy is just as weird as those analogies you corrected. It's better to stick to scriptural language.
Some sources mentioned are interesting, like in tanach and the one from the talmud and the targum, but the sefirot idea is late kabbalistic, long after christianity, not early.
What a powerful video!
The Old Testament is very clear about the Trinity. It involves 2 men an the Holy Spirit. They are first mention in Genesis 1:18. On the forth day he made two great lights one to rule the day and one to rule the night. This is the the two kings of Avalon. The 10 commandments are written on Two stones for a reason. The Hebrews were lead by a pillar of smoke by day and fire by night. There are 2 pillars in front of Solomon's Temple Boaz and Jachin. Boaz means the redeemer and Jachin means the one who prepares the way without fail. I could write all day about the 2 Kings of Avalon. It is so obvious that people miss it.
wooooow....so inspiring
Anyone who reads the Old Testament carefully knows that God is presented as both singular and plural, and that the number of His plurality is three. The Shema itself is simply the name of God repeated three times followed by the number one:
שְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהוָ֥ה ׀ אֶחָֽד ׃
Hear, O Israel: The LORD, our God, the LORD: One.
Yes, it can also be taken to mean unique or "the only one" and that is the meaning in Zech 14:9. However, in Deut 6:4, the fact that the name of God is repeated three times followed by the number one is significant and thus points to uniplurality, i.e., that the three are One LORD (Yahweh Echad) just as the two (husband and wife) are One Flesh (Basar Echad) in Gen 2:24.
The difficulty in interpreting Deut 6:4 is that it is a verbless clause (a string of nouns or words that act like nouns, but no verb 'governing' how they interrelate) the last word of which אֶחָֽד (echad) can be used in many different ways. The fact that the reader was to hear this verse שָׁמַע (shama) marks it as a very profound and multifaceted statement as when the Lord Jesus used it in the NT "“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.” (e.g., Mark 4:23, etc.).
Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YHWH-Father), our God (ELOHIM-EL/God + OHIM/Plural), the LORD (YHWH-Father): One (ECHAD-unity). YHWH, our ELOHIM, YHWH: ECHAD. FATHER, our God, Father: unity. There is Trinity.
The LINK to Dr. Benjamin Sommer's podcast does NOT work. Can you give us another link or where to find the source audio from which this audio excerpt was taken?
Great video, sweet music!
The Trinity is a concept that’s SO bound with emotion and guilt in its normal way of being taught, so if it is fake, be gentle with the people who are smart and loving bible reading Christians who believe it.
They are taught it from day one and taught that to deny it is to give Jesus, his death, God, and his message a horrifying slap in the face. They are taught to love that idea and the idea of Jesus literally being God to the bottom of their heart or they are basically fearfully spitting in Jesus face and believe they have their soul dangling above hell fire. It is a fearful-emotional attachment and so you can have the smartest most loving people believe it even if the obvious truth is that it is nowhere in scripture and that scripture obviously teaches something different.
If anyone wants to hear the case for one God alone in the Bible see "Biblical Unitarians"
Did you watch the video?
HydR4 Dark Watching now. But the Trinity and biblical exegesis over this topic was my main field of study. I used to believe Jesus was God and in the Trinity and was raised that way.
Unfortunately I haven’t studied the “powers in heaven” to be able to confidently speak about it. But when it comes to biblical evidence for or against, especially in the New Testament I’m pretty good for a layman.
“Even though there are many Gods and many Lords(Kings/Rulers), to us (Christians) there is (but) one ☝️ God, *the Father* ....and (only) one ☝️ Lord (King/Ruler) Christ”
“Why do you call me good? Only one alone is (truly) good (from within themselves), God”
“By myself I could do *nothing*”
“Father if possible please remove this cup from me, yet not my will be done, but yours (because my will is separate and can be contradictory to your purposes though I force myself to be aligned with yours)”
“And *this* is what eternal life is, to know you (Father) the *only true God* AND to know Jesus Christ, the one *you* sent”
1 Corinthians 15:20-28
Galatians 3:20
Let me stop here
@@youngknowledgeseeker 1. Jesus calls Himself the good Shepherd
2. Jesus had a human soul and body with which he United His divine essence
3."As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."
You got one thing right... Jesus and the Father are separate, they aren't one person. They are one in essence.
@@Slavaisusukhrystu He's certainly the good shepherd. But a shepherd working for God, not one who is God. Your third point explains itself. God loved and trusted Jesus so much that he gave him power over all flesh, even the power to raise the dead on his behalf. Its quite incredible.
This guy is a bit awe-inspiring. I could find myself becoming despondent as in : "Jeez, I had no idea how clueless I was until I listened to some of his videos." I could, but then I just remind myself of the 1st part of the title of his channel. Inspiration does include many things, even some that may not have been exactly what he intended when he chose the title. My takeaway from the guy's overall work is to be inspired by his methodology so that by adopting effective techniques, I will be better equipped to defend Faith in Christ, the Faith passed down to us through the men sent by Christ Himself into the world. The odds of me ever becoming as qualified as this guy are pretty slim. The good news is that by listening closely, anyone of us can benefit from his work and improve our own ability to defend our Faith. Go Inspiring Philosophy! Slayer of poor apologetics!
Thank you for the kind words.
@@InspiringPhilosophy you're just another fool who can't add and refuses to see how stupid your conclusion is.
If you want the confusion the trinity brings then that's up to you.
I used to believe the trinity but it reached the point that it made no sense. No matter how all the silly analogies were given, three 100% gods, could not equal one God.
www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/practical-consequences-of-believing-in-the-trinity
www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/is-jesus-god
www.biblicalunitarian.com/100-scriptural-arguments-for-the-unitarian-faith
Man, this is absolutely incredible. As a former atheist who reverted back to Catholicism, I always feel extreme joy of learning all the different paths one can find to teach the Truthfulness of the Christian doctrines.
Oh how I love this.
Many thanks 😊
Be steadfast.
Isaiah 43 verse 10 i am he , before me there was no GOD FORMED , NEITHER SHALL BE AFTER ME !
@Nathanael Inman Ahhh. What loving Christian responses.😂😝
If you read closely to the verses above , it shows two people speaking Both is called YHWH, One is called YHWH the KING , the other One is called YHWH of Host. Now many people try to lie and say it's God and Israel but Israel was never called YHWH. Both of them say I Am the First and the Last , beside ME THERE IS NO GOD. We know that The Father is called The First and the Last, yet Jesus in the book of Revelation called Himself the First and the Last, with the Gospel of John 1:1 and the coming of Christ now part of the Mystery of God is solved. God is indeed a Trinity , Father , Son, Holy Spirit, make up the One God who is YHWH.
ONCE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT CHRIST JESUS COMES, HE STAYS, SO HOW CAN HE COME TO WHERE HE ALREADY IS???? GOD BLESS LIFE!💪🌹🙏🌹🌞
I actually understood that. Thank you
Also can you please make a series about the reliability of the old testament as well as a video talking about who the commander of the Lord's army is and if the commander is Jesus like some people theorize
Wow that's an amazing discovery about Philo.
Your videos are thought provoking, and I thank you. These important attestations call into question the "equality" of these Three Beings. While I am comfortable with the reasoned statements of Jewish Scholars on the interpretations they offer, it does seem like a jump to conclude that these Three Beings are all equal.
These three Hypostases (not beings; God is one Being, not three beings; the hypostases or Persons are three) are equal because they share the same divine essence. Tell me, please, how can the same divine essence be "not equal"?
Hi 3wL7. I sincerely appreciate all remarks on this matter. Before I reply ... I started listening again, and I'm astonished how weak the video is. The narrator sets out to prove a Triune being, and opens up with a jewsih scholar speaking of 10 and 100 personalities, or whatever. How can you possibly prove "Three" with citations of 10 and 100? I think neither you nir the producer would be comfortable with a church teaching 100 Persons in The Supreme Being. Yet, this is cited as evidence of the Three. Back to your point, the burden of proof is on those, who add to the scripture. I see no Bible chapter nor verse in your post-up. And this is common in the defense of the Trinity. Please quote any verse you want. I will say "Amein" and "HalleluYah". We get in trouble with follow-on reasoning and interpretation. To answer your question about equality among them ... see John 14:28b: " ... my Father is greater than I."
@@marbanak What happened when the Babylonians destroyed Solomon's temple?
@@@choicemeatrandy6572 I am reasonably acquainted with that period in Israelite history. No matter what fact I toss up, I am afraid I will fall short of answering in a way to uphold my end of the conversation. Feel free to tell me what you have in mind. It's OK to challenge me and to disagree with me. Kind shalom always.
@@marbanak Christians believe that there are 3 Persons identified as possessing the Being of God. The reason I brought up Solomon's temple in regards to your post was to contrast the "greater than I" comment Jesus made. God's presence dwelled in the temple as well as the tabernacle yet God still says He doesnt live in houses made by human hands and yet one wouldn't say that same Presence was any less a form of God...in other words God's Presence is God's Presence whether it was in the tabernacle, temple or in Jesus. Yet the temple itself was destroyed by human hands but God's Presence wasnt in any way affected nor would you say it was lesser than God's Presence in heaven. The temple as a building isnt greater than God. Jesus actually likens His physical body to the temple in John 2:19-21...and after He had risen His disciples saw the connection and understood why it made sense for Him to be fully man and also fully God.
Hope that answers your question.
Know that in the Talmud, although they do make an inquiry regarding why it is phrased "Come to YHWH" - and a possible explanation is offered (that maybe it's Metatron), in the end however, the matter is settled and they decide: "This is just how scripture says things." Basically they make the concession that scripture is written awkward at times.
But we do have a very good case - because this shows that although in the end they decided to ignore the evidence they did acknowledge that the text suggests the presence of another being standing on behalf of God.
The "who" applied to the Holy Spirit can also mean that that person "who" is the spirit and is also Jesus who is also a person and since Jesus is the mediator it would make sense that he would be the spirit. And in Acts chapter 8 verses 26 and 29 it talks about the angel and the spirit being the same thing.
God came as man in the flesh because only as a man He Jesus The Christ can physically die since in ALL of HIS glory could NOT...
Where did you read that teaching in the New Testament?
did you know the term "holy spirit" / "holy ghost" appears in the Old Testament as well?
Psalm 51 :11
Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Isaiah 63:10-11
But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
@@Dmlaney His spirit that is Holy. Does not imply they are interconnected.
Genesis 1:2
Reminds me of a familiar passage from Daniel 7:
The Ancient of Days Reigns
9 “As I looked,
thrones were placed,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat;
his clothing was white as snow,
and the hair of his head like pure wool;
his throne was fiery flames;
its wheels were burning fire.
10 A stream of fire issued
and came out from before him;
a thousand thousands served him,
and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him;
the court sat in judgment,
and the books were opened.
11 “I looked then because of the sound of the great words that the horn was speaking. And as I looked, the beast was killed, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
The Son of Man Is Given Dominion
13 “I saw in the night visions,
and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.
14 And to him was given dominion
and glory and a kingdom,
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one
that shall not be destroyed.
Two descriptions of YHWH as the "Ancient of Days" and "Son of Man Given Dominion and Glory, Kingdom and Worship", adds more evidence that indeed God/YHWH is multi-personal.
Do you believe true worship is exclusive to God only?
That is very interesting
Read Daniel 7;27....and you will see who is "like a son of man"....and not "the son of man"!!
Dr. Benjamin's Podcast is not on the website you have on your video. I searched and I am unable to find Dr. Sommer's podcast on the Internet.
Jacob Neusner and other jews cited were not Orthodox but reform who do not believe Torah is holy from G-d but a book written by man.He was somewhat of an apostate. Never went to Yeshiva...
Christians don't understand all that though. The new testament leads with a lot of with abstract, pliable statements that give ample room for the belief that other texts like Torah can be twisted in the same way or reinterpreted into oblivion for the sake of a novel doctrine. Pointing it out doesn't help; I've tried and taught the class (literally). People will believe what they want, especially outside of legitimate Judaism.
Reformed just need to admit they're not practicing Judaism.
IP is the best apologist for the trinity.
haha. in that case, the trinity doctrine is in trouble. ;D
Nabeel is the best, check out his debate with shabir.
What verse do you follow? The one you quoted or Hosea 11:9 ?
Brilliant demonstration!
Thanks!
So, the "memra'" in the OT refers to what the "Logos" in the NT greek refers to, then?
yes
timthepainter1 chill the fuck out, seriously
Godly video❤ thanks so much
Great video, though there is a wrong verse number at 5:05. It should be Exodus 14:19, not Exodus 14:9.
These are the _exact sins_ of Israel and Judah who followed after the triune gods of the heathen around them, which caused God to send the people into the captivity of Babylon.
Ahab and Jezebel led the people down this dark path before and Elijah dealt with them and their Trinitarian priests with the firey wrath of God.
Have you not read?
Trinitarian priests? Where is that in the Bible?
th-cam.com/video/xAcDV270D_0/w-d-xo.html
InspiringPhilosophy - You didn't know that Jezebel's gods were triune? Oh boy...
www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/is-god-a-trinity/how-ancient-trinitarian-gods-influenced-adoption-of-the-trinity
Why don't you give me an ancient source to support this? The article does not provide any.
InspiringPhilosophy - Have you not heard of Hinduism? It's gods are the three in one god, just like the gods of Egypt that God freed the Israelites from that pagan pantheon of three in one - under the all-seeing eye. The Masons have the same pantheon by any other name too.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimurti
Basically, you're preaching a Roman, Masonic and Hindu godhead with Chritian faces.
I did a whole video on this: th-cam.com/video/xAcDV270D_0/w-d-xo.html
The Trinity is also found in the ancient Greco-Roman religion too. That’s why they were so easy to convert after the council of Nicaea.
No, the Trinity is not found in Greo Roman religion.
@@ash9280 Similar ideas are, which is why it was so easy for them to convert. It primed them for Christianity, which is a good thing.
They just didn’t have the full truth.
its also found in the Canaanite religion, the ones the Lord told the Jews not to be like.
@@ThePoliticratno.. Have three deities does to equal trinity.
I see the Trinity all over the OT
When God SAID let there be light. His Word created. That corresponds to the NT where it says, All things were made by him( the Word)
And in Zechariah God says “they shall look upon ME whom they pierced. “
You see what you want to see.
Let Us make make man in our image
We do not need to explain the trinity but to believe it only. God still expresses himself in humans by the Holy Spirit.
Thank you Abba Yahweh for this very interesting and encouraging video
Thank you for all these Rabbis
This powerful!! For me, the trinity is fact...
It’s not, it’s historically inaccurate and unbiblical
And pagan
@@alterrihenri110 wow spoken like the EXPERT LOLL
@@alterrihenri110 “Your throne, God, is forever and ever; the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice. You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of joy more than your companions.”
Psalms 45:6-7
““Listen, Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”
Deuteronomy 6:4
8:18 "Holy Spirit is a defence council according to the Leviticus Rabba".
This is exactly what the Apostle Paul and the New Testament are teaching. "I will send you a councillor..." The Greek word used here for councillor is "paraclitos" which is a legal term which means a councillor in a court of law, a defence lawyer.
Zechariah 6:12 is not a messianic prophecy. The “Branch” being talked about is Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest Zechariah was taking a crown to.
Nonsense. It's both/and. Prophetic language in the Bible often speaks to two (or more) realities: the prophetic foreshadow (which Zech6's temple ceremony would function as) and its principle fulfillment.
Example: "out of Egypt have I called my son" is descriptive of Israel's Exodus, and baby Jesus' move from Egypt to Nazareth (per Matt2). It has also been interpreted symbolically to apply the believers' conversion.
This video seems to be confusing the Jewish conception of representation - where one's representative could properly hold the name/title of the one being represented - with later Trinitarian concepts that had three distinct persons literally subsisting in a single Divine Nature with all being fully and equally "God". The ancient Jews had no issue with the former. We even see examples of how comfortable they were with it in the NT where one account has an army officer presenting himself in-person to Jesus while another account makes clear it was actually his representative. The Jews were just as comfortable with this concept when it came to representatives of God, whether those representatives were spirit creatures / angels or other humans. But the ancient Jews had no conception of a literal multi-personal God like the one put forward by the Trinity Doctrine. One might make efforts after the fact to find Trinity-friendly formulations in the Hebrew Bible, but those formulations were not understood in remotely Trinitarian terms in their time.
Well said.
If you want the confusion the trinity brings then that's up to you.
I used to believe the trinity but it reached the point that it made no sense. No matter how all the silly analogies were given, three 100% gods, could not equal one God.
www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/practical-consequences-of-believing-in-the-trinity
www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/is-jesus-god
www.biblicalunitarian.com/100-scriptural-arguments-for-the-unitarian-faith
I don't think the Hebrews merely perceived God through the concept of representation. We understand from the Torah, and the new testament that there are certain things rightly reserved for God, and God alone. Things such as worship and the authority to forgive a person's sins, are not to be given to men or angels but to God alone, however there are certain figures like the "commander of the Lord's army," of whom Joshua worships and referred to as Lord;
Joshua 5:14
"And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?"
Now one may say God isn't the only one referred to as Lord, however that aside, we know that if Joshua so it fit to worship him, he most likely believed that this entity was God himself.
The ancient Iaraelites may not have believed in a trinitarian doctrine, but it appears to be evident in scripture that they believed in some kind of plurality of their monotheistic God. The name elohim though used in a singular way, actually means "the gods" or "the mighty ones." in the book of Genesis God refers to himself in the plural multiple times.
Genesis 26;
"Now let US make man in OUR own image, in OUR likeness..."
Surely this isn't just mere representation.
@@cisuminocisumino3250 - I wasn't saying that the Hebrews "merely" understood God through the concept of representation. What I was saying is that they had a very robust concept of representation wherein the representative was often addressed, referenced and even treated as though they were the one being represented, and God was not excluded from that practice. An appointed representative of God could be addressed or referenced as though they were God and within that cultural context, nobody was confused by that. But modern readers often are.
Regarding Joshua 5:14, the translation you're using is creating some confusion. The word translated there as "worship" merely refers to "bowing down" and physically prostrating oneself. It could be appropriate to use of someone who is bowing down in worship, but the word does not itself imply worship.
To see another example of this we can look to 1 Chron 29:20. There, the congregation, in praising God, prostrates themselves (same word as Joshua 5:14) to both King David and God in a single act. And yet we don't mistakenly think because of this that the congregation believed David was actually God.
Regarding "elohim", as you note, when used of God it is singular. It was also used to reference the singular Philistine god, Dagon, at Judges 16:23. Dagon was not a multi-personal god. In both cases, "elohim" is being used to denote majesty or excellence. Dagon was sometimes referred to as "father of gods". Jehovah, in the Hebrew Bible, was considered the Only True God (meaning the only one who was truly God in the fullest sense) and who ruled over other powerful spirit beings, like angels, who were also called "gods" (elohim as a plural). The use of "elohim" in regards to Jehovah is not to hint that he's a multi-personal God but to denote his unique and fulsome status in relation to other beings, including those who could rightly be called "god(s)" but not in the fullest sense.
Regarding Genesis 26, we already know that by the time humans were created in the Genesis account, God was not alone. His Son was already in existence by that time, as were the angels, and we know his Son was directly involved in the creation. As such, the wording of "let US make man in OUR image," need not be the least bit confusing. It most certainly does not in any sense require the interpretation that God was a multi-personal being as understood within Trinitarian doctrine.
Take care
I've always thought of the trinity and us being created in God's image like this: We are also a trinity. We have a body (physical), a soul(intelligence emotions) and a spirit (form in the spirit world, eternal part). God the father is the soul God the holy spirit is the spirit and Jesus is God, the body, in the physical world.
This is how I think of it also. Not sure if it's at all orthodox but It's the only way I'vebeen able to wrap my mind around it.
Can you provide proper quotation for the Talmud 3:34? Talmud bavli 38b is not enough, as this is the number of the page in standard vilna edition, but we don't know the name of the tractate (I think tha t's the English name - מסכת in Hebrew).
I have the same conclusion with what to me seems a bit simpler argument.
1. Who walked with Adam and Eve in the garden? A person called God met with A&E and walked and talked with them in the garden. The text leads one to consider this 'person' as a physical, corporeal being, yes called God.
Who wrestled with Jacob in Genesis 32. The other wrestler is called a 'man' and certainly corporeal enough to put Jacob's hip out of joint. Then in verse 28 the man gives Jacob a new name - Israel - and explains why. Then in verse 37, Jacob seemingly ruminating makes a statement about wresting with God and surviving.
Who visited Manoah and his unnamed wife; telling them of the coming birth of Samson? What did the nameless man do and who did Manoah and wife consider the nameless man? (Judges 13 and following.)
2 The Spirit of the Lord. Spoke to various prophets, left King Saul. Allowed several warriors incredible victors. No evidence of corporeal presence, but obvious results.
3. God (the Father) in Heaven, seeing and directing it all. (Jewish teaching and Christian teaching has no argument on this.)
I've never been quite satisfied with the term 'persons'. But I'm not sure of a better term, really. Most other terms seem to divide the Godhead into discrete bits. (like 'aspects' or 'facets'). I think 'functions' works fairly well, but sounds rather mechanical. Most all Christians are used to 'persons' so I won't attempt to confuse anyone.
Bad theology. "We know the existence of God through demonstration, but the existence of Thre Persons onlyu through Revelation". - Thomas Aquinas. The The Trinity is not found in ANY Jewish manuscript, or the Greek Bible. It is a 3rd century solution to a problem crated by asserting Jesus was God.
That is just wrong. th-cam.com/video/BNt5NKSse0Y/w-d-xo.html
Angel did spoke on first person, they were call sons of God as Jesus but none of them are God. The angel of the lord that spoke to Moses on the burning bush spoke in first person because he was the messenger of YHWH. This agrees with John 1:1 Were the angel of the lord is call the words and he was with God in the beginning but he is not the one YHWH, because he is serving him. It is funny funny that you have to dedicate so much time to defend the idea of the trinity. If it were true you shouldn't have to much trouble with it. I am Arian by your standards and I have no problem recognizing God and the authority of the word, the angel of the lord jesus Christ. In my meeting we rarely we have to defend our position because it is obvious. The trinity is not obvious it most be explain with philosophical terminology and not with biblical one. In the creed they enforce this view and persecute anyone that was against it, other have to accept it to maintain their positions. It became mainstream with the help of the Roman empire. It was not a theological achievement.
Aside from that I enjoy your videos. Keep them coming.
Exactly. The OT and the NT agree - The one YHWH puts his name and power in his chief servant (Angel of the Lord / Memre / Word / Jesus) who then, as an exact photocopy of YHWH (but not the original) carries out His will. There is no need to make YHWH and his perfect image the same *essence*, which is what the Trinity doctrine really became about. It's beginnings may have roots in Jewish understanding, but what it became is something different.
@@ericl2733 Isaiah 42:8
@@choicemeatrandy6572 - Had not thought to apply that Scripture before to this context, but it certainly fits. The Servant and YHWH are separate, and while YHWH may delegate his glory, its essence remains His alone.
@@ericl2733 Well when you say that God shared His Glory with a created being you are creating a clear contradiction with that verse. When God says the angel (which simply means messenger) will bear His Name (meaning His very essence) and warns Moses by saying that said angel won't forgive their iniquity what is the logical conclusion to make? That there is a contradiction being made or that Moses who was a monotheistic Jew did not see any problem with seeing this and recognized that the God who made the heavens and the earth is far more complex than a human mind could ever hope to conceive? This is the same Moses who saw the God of Israel in Exodus 24 but then again asks to see God's face in Exodus 33. What is going on there exactly? Polytheism? Absolutely not. Moses was the one who told the Israelites that their LORD their GOD was ONE being, ONE essence, yet you have Moses speaking face to face with God the same way someone speaks to their friend but also going up a mountain to commune with God while a cloud covered it (Does this sound familiar by the way?) Complex unity all over the Hebrew Bible and then when you get to the NT Jesus makes it all clear, the issue isn't whether Jews had a problem with the God that they could see versus the God that they could not see (Who is still the same God by the way) the issue was whether to accept that Jesus was the Son of Man of Daniel 7 who rode with the clouds of heaven (something only God did) and whether this same Jesus who claimed to exist before Abraham even was, is the very same Lord of Malachi 3 who would go to His temple(His temple?) The very same Lord they had been seeking would visit them, and this Lord would possess the glory of the LORD (Isaiah 40:5) but wait God doesn't share His Glory with another? Oh that's right then that would mean this Lord would be God Himself visiting His people, Immanuel "God With Us", the Son that was promised in Isaiah 9:6, the Mighty God Himself.
@@choicemeatrandy6572 I imagine He can delegate any portion of any of his attributes or functions to any created being he wishes. He certainly gives his malak the power to forgive / not forgive, while we know "only God can forgive sins". Only God can raise the dead but it was delegated to the Son of Man to lay down his life and take it up again. As was creation. I'm sorry I do not have more time to go through your thorough reply point-by-point. In all sincerity, God bless you.
One issue persists as it relates to this... The uses of words such as "manifestation" or "messenger" still, by sheer definition, imply something distinct and unique. A manifestation isn't the thing being manifested and a messenger isn't the one who sent him. Hebrews 1 calls Messiah the "radiance of his glory and the exact representation of his nature." Again, the radiance of something, like the sun, isn't the sun, and the representation of something, like our reflections in a mirror, isn't the thing being represented. If you read the Athanasian Creed, which is essentially the church's final word on the doctrine of the trinity, those concepts aren't found. Instead, the manifestation IS that which it is manifesting, the messenger IS the same as the one sending it, and radiance IS the sun (example) and the representation IS the reflection.
The Angel of Yahweh being sent as a representative of Yahweh, speaking in the first person as though he was Yahweh, is no different than an ancient ambassador being sent to a nation from an emperor, speaking with all the authority and power of the emperor. The word of the ambassador WAS the word of the emperor, and the ambassador quite often carried the symbol of that emperor as proof, such as a signet ring. "He makes his messengers winds, and his servants flames of fire." Likewise, his messengers can be and are used as his mouthpieces to fallen man.
Even if it can be reasonably proven that these "manifestations" are are different forms of a single God, that does nothing to prove that those manifestations are the Jesus Christ of the New Testament, and the Holy Spirit as understood by later Christianity (a being, not an extension of the power/presence of God). It merely proves that the God of the Bible uses various forms and messengers through which to communicate to his creations. Equating Jesus, for example, to one of those manifestations is to commit a tragic anachronistic fallacy. Simply put - there is no evidence one can provide that proves, reasonably, that Jesus Christ = the angel of Yahweh, or any other manifestation.
Where i can find this chart at 5:45 ? , is there a link to download it?
Someone?