Ethiopians DNA Eritreans are same ppl. It's like saying north sudan is different ppl and culture from south sudan, when infact they are the same ppl. North koreans are same ppl as South Koreans.
Hi Jonathan, I'm an Ethiopian Orthodox deacon. I'm very fond of ur work. Ur discussion with Richard was very interesting. Listening to foreigners talk about Ethiopia can be a bit strange sometimes because some western scholars have bizzare ideas about Ethiopia. And they could sometimes be very wrong about Ethiopian history and the Ethiopian Orthodox church. But I think u guys did a wonderful job and did ur research very well. I hope I will be able to meet u and Jordan Peterson some day. Ur work has influenced me a lot. I also admire your good friend Jordan Peterson very much. His lectures and the way he thinks are very close to Orthodox ideas and teachings. I sometimes feel like I'm listening to an Orthodox priest when I hear him lol. I don't think u were able to visit Aksum and see some of the incredible monasteries in Tigray and Northern Ethiopia. I hope u will come and visit again. Please let us all know when u do. And I also haven't seen Jordan or you giving lectures in Africa so that is something most of us are looking forward to. I thank u for all the incredible things that u are doing.
Please pray for our country, the government elites are trying to separate Tigray region from Ethiopia. Tigray and it’s neighboring region Amhara have been the pillars in Orthodoxy in Ethiopia. These two regions have high population in orthodox religion compared to other regions in Ethiopia. I understand that our church may not be in full communion with Eastern Orthodox because we are non-Chalcedonian. However, other than Egypt we are really the only African country that have old and ongoing history in practicing the faith. It would be a shame if both Tigray and Amhara regional people fight because ultimately it would be losing our Orthodox brothers.
God be with our brothers. It breaks my heart seeing the events that are unfolding there. I have so much admiration and love for Ethiopia and Eritrea. May our God, our Mother the Virgin Mary, His Angels and Saints protect the Christian people. A warm greeting from a convert to the Coptic Church 🤲🏼🙏🏼☦🇪🇹🇪🇷
Ethiopian Orthodox Christian here...ordered your shirt a few weeks ago, Jonathan. Thank you. Hoping and praying for union with the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches.
I haven’t been to church since I was a kid. I’ve only known Christianity from a Protestant POV. Yesterday, I ordered an Orthodox study Bible, and your brother’s book The Language of Creation, and I can’t stop watching your discussions. This Ethiopia episode is really mind blowing. What are you doing to me???
As somones who goes to a non-denominational I do not think it matters which denomination you join as long as they are willing to teach you to follow the lord and as long as you have a real relationship with God. If you trust in the lord for salvation, trun to the cross and repent for your sins then I will consider you a brother in Christ.
I recommend checking out Apologia Studios (particularly the sermons they upload) if you want to see actual orthodoxy. While Pageau is insightful and interesting, Eastern Orthodoxy is heretical, not Christian.
On what grounds are they hermetical? What is a heresy? Who defines a heresy? Can you please provide one heresy the eastern orthodox church believe? Also isn't apologia studios reformed? They partner with James White all the time Also apologia studios is really good at arguing and yelling at people but that's about it. Atleast The Symbolic World is willing to have people on from multiple Christian traditions. I can't say the same for apologia.
Thank you so much for this video! I’m Finnish orthodox, and to my surprise I was made a foster mother of an Eritrean orthodox baby girl late last year. I was only vaguely aware of the history of Ethiopia/Eritrea, and I welcome every bit of info and insight, so this is greatly appreciated!
How do you become a foster mother of a certain child to your surprise? Don't you get some choosing in what child to adopt after you have been granted permission to adopt by the Finnish state? Or is it just the first that comes in from around the world?
I lived, taught and toured Ethiopia in 2005-2008. I learned so much about ancient history. Thanks for reminding me if the magical land of Cush. The habasha or burnt face people . Especially Lalibella ! ❤PS Ethiopia is a rough but lovely land. I recommend everyone travel there in their life but know that it is not set up for “vacations”. 😮❤✝️🤔🙏
Please join me in thanking brother Jonathan and Richard for preparing this on one of the oldest Christian churches in remote Africa. Ethiopian orthodoxy is a living testimony Christianity can survive all odds until the end of time. God bless you! I think “habesha” translates to hybrid.
Actually habesha derived from the Mahri language which means "gatherers" (as in gatherers of incense). As far as I'm concerned the word has never been used offensively or to insult people. This whole offensive thingy is a resent thing people came up with to tarnish Ethiopian history. I just hope we can all look past our differences and find a common ground instead of tearing each other's history down. People will proudly tell you they're habesha if they're Ethiopian because it was synonymously used unlike today where some people are using to associate the term with certain ethnicities and also changing the meaning so to make it seem as tho it was an insult to them. Hope this helped with the misunderstanding. ✌️Good day
The Christianity was known to Arabs and they were frequently coming to Ethiopia ( Habsha - Arabic ) , for trade . The early Muslims approached Ethiopia to get a refuge against the idol worshippers of Macca . The King Najashi of Ethiopia found the reality of Islam when compared with the beliefs of pagan Arabs, through His books 📚 . He got satisfied and offered asylum to the followers of Islam . Christianity was the oldest religion in Africa 🌍 Therefore the early Muslims came to Ethiopia ; other wise they would have contacted with the Christians of some other areas . There are speculations that the ESA peace be upon Him , had got dark complexion . It's also said that the original Jerusalem was located in Africa 🌍 . Even the ancient Jews were not white . Even the Prophet of Islam (peace be upon Him) was not white . And this is natural as He was from Macca .
Ethiopia has been a Jewish nation then a Jewish nation with practicing Christian’s then a nation of Christianity. Does that mean they were supposed to refuse refuge to people looking for help or an escape? I just don’t understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying that 300 years after it became a Christian state that they switched to Islam because their book was better? I just need a better understanding of what you attempted to say
@@iftikharhassan5323and like i said to correct your false statement. Ethiopians were Jews and practiced Judaism at a much earlier time than Christianity. There is evidence of both temples that were built and sacrificial sites found
Ethiopia continues to come into my life in strange ways. First I discovered Ethiopian jazz by chance on TH-cam as I was simultaneously exploring Orthodoxy. And then I later discovered that Ethiopia is Orthodox, and my worlds of music and religion collided. I never knew this part of Africa was so rich in Christian history. Also talk about the Tewahedo biblical canon!
I am Ethiopian We have this bible at home I have never seen anything like it ,it has all sorts of drawings of Angels and other things They dont print it anymore Its uniquely written in Geez You would be mezmorized if you so it I actually took pictures of the whole book
Ethiopia has a strange attraction since the first time I heard a little about their history. But this series magnifies that a lot! More episodes please, there are hidden gems!
Jonathan & Richard are real treasure of true Christian all over the world 🌎! Keep up the great work spreading the gospel of Christ to all like early Christians
I'm kind of speechless... Seeing dots connected in real-time... Wishing I could quit my career as an accountant tommorow and simultaneously 1) do a Phd in history, 2) do a Phd in ancient (dead) languages, 3) travel to every single place referenced on this channel (and lord of spirts podcast) and make documentaries, 4) somehow participate in every service in the liturgical calendar.... 5) carve icons [Tbh, I've made some progress on this one - re JP carving course].. So, quite the bucket list I guess :)
Just do it. You don’t need the Ph.D.’s though…they’re just costly pieces of paper. With all of the info out there, a competent professional like yourself can learn what you need without the cost of the advanced degrees.
you can if you are interested but needed open heart when you triy to know about ethiopia! even difficult for us our father when they do something without eat any thing and drink and pray due that when we read ancient book we can't explain easly there is a secret! but chage the world that secret!
Very Nice conversation as a member of EOTC I really want to speak on every tiny detail but in general I suggest the official story of the EOTC is very clear and full of evidence for every lineage and history of 4000 years.
Finally! Someone touches on this subject. My patron Saint is Saint Matthew the Apostle. I've read his ministry was in Ethiopia. I feel like this is all a slow discovery for me and there's never enough information. Well done gentlemen. Looking forward to more episodes.
I actually stumbled upon this channel while trying to learn about the Holy Grail mythology but I also saw this video suggested and decided to watch it since I'm of Ethiopian/Eritrean origin myself. Thanks guys!
Wow! I suggested to a pastor once that Moses had another wife, just based on the Biblical text. I was told I was wrong; and I just left it there. You're the first I've heard to talk about this! Wow!
My brothers you’re such amazing! What you’re doing now I guess God is waking people up around the world so they know the truth. Hope God help you continue doing this. Much love 🇪🇹🇪🇹🇪🇹
Fascinating!! I never connected India with Ethiopia..but both are (and were) the world suppliers of frankensense, myrrh and there's gold too. The blue Nile originates in Tana, Ethiopia. Egyptian tradition says Holy Family fled + stayed in Zeitoun,Egypt and traveled places along the Blue Nile. Humm. So many treasures in scripture! Wow.
They are treated like they are subhuman in Israel. And I don’t remember what the reason is. But my friend I was staying with told me this. That’s why I clicked on this video. To learn more. Wonder why they hate them.
Very interesting I'm ethiopian orthodox and I could think of so many historical stories in the church that could add this. Like the virgin Mary being the arc that carried christ and the king lalibela having a vision of building a new Jerusalem in ethiopia and many more. Looking forward to part 2
My Father, a chemist and Latin language scholar used to tell me about Ge ‘ ez all the time! I love learning about Ethiopian Orthodoxy. A lot of Ethiopian women can be found praying in the Old Holy Virgin church in San Francisco…all in white…🙏🏻☦️🙏🏻
Interesting. There are lots of old manuscripts written in Ge'ez describing various herbs and how to use them to make medicine that were stolen from the various monasteries and ended up in Europe...
I have seen a few comments here saying that these videos of Jonathan resonate with them or that they fit an intuition of sorts. I am the same. I started to investigate more and more into deep Christianity, the desert fathers, byzantine, early Irish church, etc a little more than ten years ago. I became very interested in Ethiopia upon learning that Bob Marley converted to Ethiopian Orthodoxy towards the end of his life. I even wrote a song about it. These videos have been blessing to me so thank you guys. It makes me feel like there are others out there. If you are curious to hear the song you can just search "Zac and the Grinz" (the band) and "West Bank" (the song).
I am Ethiopian We have this bible at home I have never seen anything like it ,it has all sorts of drawings of Angels and other things They dont print it anymore Its uniquely written in Geez You would be mezmorized if you so it I actually took pictures of the whole book
This is next level! The kind of revelation these natural philosophers reveal just brings one to imagine the mysterious that we may one day learn from the Creator himself.
I am absorbing as much as I'm able since I don't know anything about Ethiopia. All I know is that it's been mentioned in some of the readings at Mass. I have to listen to this over and over again. Looking forward to the 2nd episode. Thank you!
Thank you!! It is often so hard to relay to other Christians, especially Roman Catholics, of which I am one, the strength of my conversion from Bob Marley, to Ethiopia, to Christ, the journey is so unrelatable to most other Christians who have no context of Ethiopia, her greatness in the reality and role of her potency as a mystical stronghold of the faith. I trace my encounter with mystery to my encounter with Ethiopia and the incarnated faith of her people. I usually lose them somewhere between the Rasta stuff and the path to lake Tana! Thanks guys
Have just watched these three conversations and they have opened my mind so much more than anything else about the way that symbolism and history work. Thank you!
The Oriental Orthodox were the first to break away, the first schism was caused by them, long before the Catholics. However, the differences between the Orthodox and them remain much smaller than the differences with the Catholics and Protestants. They are almost exclusively related to the heresy of miaphysitism, which, at least in my view, is such a fine theological line that the majority of the faithfull will not even know to explain how in the world this led to a separation. The rest of the doctrine is almost identical, their monastic tradition the same. That is why, as an Eastern Orthodox, I have a feeling of being at home in the Oriental Orrhodox churches (especially the Coptic one of Egypt). I cannot say the same about the Catholics and Protestants, which, in spite of the fact that they broke away much later, and with whom we share a lot of European history, have made so many inovations across the centuries, that very seldomly an Orthodox can recognize any common roots with them. Both schisms are deep wounds for the Church, and we pray that God will find a way to heal them, but yes, I also feel the Oriental one is bleeding more, as the difference is such a subtle one...And, leaving the difference aside, these Oriental Orthodox Christians live such authentic lives due to their own historical context, many times experiencing modern day martyrdom. All my love and respect goes to them always!
Bzw oriental Orthodox isn't a schism its the original teachings of apostolic father about Jesus christ Which is he is one nature from two nature. This teaching have been known by saint cyril & other apostolic fathers also they have approved it in the 3rd council of Ephesus. Later on pope leo is the one who teachs heretical teaching which is christ is two nature which Catholic & Easter Orthodox accepted it as apostolic teaching.
The Kebra Nagast is something I was fortunate enough to be introduced to while young. But Lalibela is definitely a dream destination on my bucket list.
Around the 1:12:30 mark this scripture came into my mind. Thank you for the insights. Hebrews 13:11-14 says, The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come.
So do you see the Oriental Orthodox as the margin of the Church? Really hope this series with Richard will go all the way up to the 20th century or today even lol. Not even joking, I’ll watch every single one. God bless guys, this series is great.
@ENDLockdowns DotOrg I am right there with you. This is priceless. These with Richard and Jonathan, Jordan and Mattieu are my favorite videos he’s done so far and I’ve watched them all.
So are non Chalcedon Christians considered part of the holy Catholic Church but high Anglicans aren’t? I’m so tired of internet ecumenism. Is Jonathan considered a heretic in his church?
I just came across this video-which I enjoyed and wanted to thank you both for the respect you have shown to my Nation and faith. In relation to the connection between the Holy Virgin's connection with Ethiopia, according to the Ethiopian Orthodox Chrisitian teachings, when the holy family went to Egypt to escape king Herod, they travelled to Ethiopia at some point during their exile and the young Jesus is said to have consecrated Ethiopia to his mother. The Holy Virgin remains a cornerstone in Ethiopian Orthodox christianity.
I am fairly new to the channel. I’ve only been listening in since November, but this series is my favorite. It touches on all the questions I’ve had since getting a degree in history and Greek before ever coming to Orthodoxy.
Beautiful. You pronounced almost everything right but the Ethiopian in me can’t seem to give you pass “ Makeda” hahah. You guys are incredible and did wonderful 👌🏼
Don't forget all so the first human (Adam) was live around River of Gion(አባይ) and Noah (ship) was arrived in to Ethiopia first and thank you for your amazing program of Ethiopia
This is so fascinating!! Sirs, could I please suggest that you guys put up your top reading lists on these topics. Many of us, I believe, would want to follow and go further into these marvellous topics you discuss. Thanks for your superb work!
Les Anciens dieux et l’anciens rêve! J’arrive à faire beaucoup de connexion de ce que je sais déjà à l’aide de la compréhension de mieux en mieux des patterns, et cela grâce à vos merveilleux podcast. C’est vraiment fascinant!
This was extremely interesting,. I remember my mother talking to me about Ethiopia and it's position in relation to the Bible and Christianity but I was no doubt too young to be much interested. She is an avid reader so I will have to ask her what her sources were.
Robert Sepehr has made alot of videos about historical beliefs focusing on personal energy. He has a lot of interesting views on "the cup of Hermes". You reminded me of this as you spoke about the well of life, and Sheba, Solomon, and the cup of water...death and potential. I think there is a connecting between what you are talking about and a greater esoteric meaning.
Guys that was GREAT! I've always been extremely intrigued about the Ethiopian religious traditions, ever since I first heard they claimed to hold the Ark. I honestly am REALLY looking forward to the next episode with you guys, I wanna hear about these crazy saints!
It’s refreshing to hear Africa being discussed by non/blacks as just people with no prejudices attached, it’s a very good taste of what the world could be,
I remember listening to audiobook of the The Antiquities of the Jews during lockdown and “Josephus” definitely had a chapter on the lands of Ethiopia /Egypt and the battle in the south and how Moses being a prodigy leader/commander of the army and the Ethiopian princess fell in love with him surrendering by way of marriage and alliance. Have to re listen. Josephus definitely decided to link it all up anyway.
Ethiopia the way you describe it, reminds me of Ireland. An extremely isolated community on the margins, preserving the writings of the faith, in a world that still feels magical somehow.
with the Cup symbolism in the picture of everything, and you were speaking of the containment of the cup preserving, it made me think about sloshing at the top near the heavens that may spill out. and from there it made me think of the tradition in Judaism during the Seder where the wine is intentionally spilled a number of times for a whole grip of reasons. i don’t know much about this tradition/ritual, but i found this interesting to ponder on.
This is so amazing! I don't know if anyone related the pattern to this but I really felt the essence of this.. I related it to the edge by the Protestant movement as being the rejected that preserved the seed of the the Gospel.. and I could also relate it with the fall of Rome by the outsiders wild Goths that became Germany that continued the tradition of Rome. It's quite literally true... The pattern is universally working everywhere.. and Loved to hear the connection between India because I always wondered where is India in the end times. I do believe that in the end the traditions and stories of India and it's myth are deeply rich symbolically but it's mixed and incomplete in some senses...I sense there would be someone who would join these links and bring more to area to the Kingdom of Christ. thank you so much for doing this...
Salam brothers and sisters of Tigray! This land is as Richard and JP say. Where a nation retains its monastic tradition there it retains its soul. And those cats got soul!
I was so excited to find this! I am a homeschool mom who has a fascination for Kush and its virtual extinction in history curricula today, but not in our home. I have a question that occurred to me while watching your video: The gospel of Matthew said that Joseph was told to take his family to Egypt, but we do not know where. So I began to wonder if there were any connection to Kush. I know that the intertwining of Kush and Egypt is difficult to unravel - I have found little that might indicate the exact boundaries, political workings, connectedness, etc. at this time. Can you give me any insight or guidance as to specfic sources? Ethiopian legends?
I'm from Ethiopia, You are quite right, though these countries look different in different periods of time there is ongoing relationship until this days. Earlier it believed that the kush(Ethiopia) used to be the Pharoh of Egypt for long time, and Ethiopia is the source of 86% of blue Nile river(Abay-Ghion) which Egypt highly depends on.and so much history, religion and culture in common.
I'm late arriving here, but, great video! I love all the Universal History videos. But I just wanted to say... regarding the Fincha Habera site - 3,469 meters in elevation is totally livable at. La Paz, Bolivia is around 3,600 meters, Lhasa, Tibet is about the same. People definitely live in both places.
I immediately want the next episode. I just cannot wait hahahaha. Also despite being a white American, I see a lot of the Ethiopian symbol as my personal archetype. Which is weird, but it makes me so curious about it.
Amazing!!! Ethiopian Orthodox here.
Begome Eastern Orthodox
@@klub7justin Shut up hibite
Chill chill chill chill
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Howdy stranger
I’m so happy to see this as an Ethiopian!!
Hey! Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Christianity is really important to the World!
I am so happy that you talked about my history!
Very important indeed
Wow 🤯
Ethiopians DNA Eritreans are same ppl. It's like saying north sudan is different ppl and culture from south sudan, when infact they are the same ppl. North koreans are same ppl as South Koreans.
@@patiencevirtue3932 of course they are. Why are you even mentioning this obvious fact? I am Eritrean and I know this as a matter of fact.
Hi Jonathan, I'm an Ethiopian Orthodox deacon. I'm very fond of ur work. Ur discussion with Richard was very interesting. Listening to foreigners talk about Ethiopia can be a bit strange sometimes because some western scholars have bizzare ideas about Ethiopia. And they could sometimes be very wrong about Ethiopian history and the Ethiopian Orthodox church. But I think u guys did a wonderful job and did ur research very well. I hope I will be able to meet u and Jordan Peterson some day. Ur work has influenced me a lot. I also admire your good friend Jordan Peterson very much. His lectures and the way he thinks are very close to Orthodox ideas and teachings. I sometimes feel like I'm listening to an Orthodox priest when I hear him lol. I don't think u were able to visit Aksum and see some of the incredible monasteries in Tigray and Northern Ethiopia. I hope u will come and visit again. Please let us all know when u do. And I also haven't seen Jordan or you giving lectures in Africa so that is something most of us are looking forward to. I thank u for all the incredible things that u are doing.
Please pray for our country, the government elites are trying to separate Tigray region from Ethiopia. Tigray and it’s neighboring region Amhara have been the pillars in Orthodoxy in Ethiopia. These two regions have high population in orthodox religion compared to other regions in Ethiopia. I understand that our church may not be in full communion with Eastern Orthodox because we are non-Chalcedonian. However, other than Egypt we are really the only African country that have old and ongoing history in practicing the faith. It would be a shame if both Tigray and Amhara regional people fight because ultimately it would be losing our Orthodox brothers.
We pray for peace in your country.
Your people and your country are in my prayers daily! I hope my love for Ethiopia comes through in this video.
God be with our brothers.
It breaks my heart seeing the events that are unfolding there.
I have so much admiration and love for Ethiopia and Eritrea.
May our God, our Mother the Virgin Mary, His Angels and Saints protect the Christian people.
A warm greeting from a convert to the Coptic Church 🤲🏼🙏🏼☦🇪🇹🇪🇷
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Praying for your people. Christ bring peace and heal your lands
Ethiopian Orthodox Christian here...ordered your shirt a few weeks ago, Jonathan. Thank you. Hoping and praying for union with the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches.
Hope not
@@werqzeleke2815 Can you explain why?
AMEN AMEN AMEN 🙏🙏🙏
Wow. The Ethiopian eunuch was basically reading about himself! As a people, and also as we who were grafted on to the tree. My heart is applauding!
I haven’t been to church since I was a kid. I’ve only known Christianity from a Protestant POV. Yesterday, I ordered an Orthodox study Bible, and your brother’s book The Language of Creation, and I can’t stop watching your discussions. This Ethiopia episode is really mind blowing. What are you doing to me???
Come and see ur self.... u will know more about ur self too
God calling, will u answer?
As somones who goes to a non-denominational I do not think it matters which denomination you join as long as they are willing to teach you to follow the lord and as long as you have a real relationship with God. If you trust in the lord for salvation, trun to the cross and repent for your sins then I will consider you a brother in Christ.
I recommend checking out Apologia Studios (particularly the sermons they upload) if you want to see actual orthodoxy. While Pageau is insightful and interesting, Eastern Orthodoxy is heretical, not Christian.
On what grounds are they hermetical? What is a heresy? Who defines a heresy? Can you please provide one heresy the eastern orthodox church believe?
Also isn't apologia studios reformed? They partner with James White all the time
Also apologia studios is really good at arguing and yelling at people but that's about it.
Atleast The Symbolic World is willing to have people on from multiple Christian traditions. I can't say the same for apologia.
Thank you so much for this video! I’m Finnish orthodox, and to my surprise I was made a foster mother of an Eritrean orthodox baby girl late last year. I was only vaguely aware of the history of Ethiopia/Eritrea, and I welcome every bit of info and insight, so this is greatly appreciated!
You know they aren’t Eastern Orthodox but oriental orthodox…
@@klub7justin thank you for your concern, I was aware of this much.
I mean, come oooon 😅
How do you become a foster mother of a certain child to your surprise? Don't you get some choosing in what child to adopt after you have been granted permission to adopt by the Finnish state? Or is it just the first that comes in from around the world?
@@klub7justin what’s the difference?
I adore the Ethiopian artistic tradition. Greetings to our Ethiopian Orthodox brothers and sisters!
Thanks 🧡
I lived, taught and toured Ethiopia in 2005-2008. I learned so much about ancient history. Thanks for reminding me if the magical land of Cush. The habasha or burnt face people . Especially Lalibella ! ❤PS Ethiopia is a rough but lovely land. I recommend everyone travel there in their life but know that it is not set up for “vacations”. 😮❤✝️🤔🙏
Please join me in thanking brother Jonathan and Richard for preparing this on one of the oldest Christian churches in remote Africa.
Ethiopian orthodoxy is a living testimony Christianity can survive all odds until the end of time. God bless you!
I think “habesha” translates to hybrid.
It's also offensive word ,
Actually habesha derived from the Mahri language which means "gatherers" (as in gatherers of incense). As far as I'm concerned the word has never been used offensively or to insult people. This whole offensive thingy is a resent thing people came up with to tarnish Ethiopian history. I just hope we can all look past our differences and find a common ground instead of tearing each other's history down. People will proudly tell you they're habesha if they're Ethiopian because it was synonymously used unlike today where some people are using to associate the term with certain ethnicities and also changing the meaning so to make it seem as tho it was an insult to them. Hope this helped with the misunderstanding. ✌️Good day
@Daniel Solomon yes it is but its ok if you don't know as you will know now. Byw it only applies to northern parts of the country ( tirey n amhara)
You two are becoming buddies! You’ve never had a guest on this many times this quickly!
Every one of these videos is gold. Jonathan has met a good match
I hope Richard is on 1000 more times lol
Was about to say 😂
Ethiopian Orthodox here. Can't wait for the next video.
The Christianity was known to Arabs and they were frequently coming to Ethiopia ( Habsha - Arabic ) , for trade .
The early Muslims approached Ethiopia to get a refuge against the idol worshippers of Macca . The King Najashi of Ethiopia found the reality of Islam when compared with the beliefs of pagan Arabs, through His books 📚 .
He got satisfied and offered asylum to the followers of Islam . Christianity was the oldest religion in Africa 🌍
Therefore the early Muslims came to Ethiopia ; other wise they would have contacted with the Christians of some other areas . There are speculations that the ESA peace be upon Him , had got dark complexion .
It's also said that the original Jerusalem was located in Africa 🌍 . Even the ancient Jews were not white .
Even the Prophet of Islam (peace be upon Him) was not white . And this is natural as He was from Macca .
@@iftikharhassan5323I’m confused what you are trying to say through all of that.
Ethiopia has been a Jewish nation then a Jewish nation with practicing Christian’s then a nation of Christianity. Does that mean they were supposed to refuse refuge to people looking for help or an escape? I just don’t understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying that 300 years after it became a Christian state that they switched to Islam because their book was better? I just need a better understanding of what you attempted to say
@@iftikharhassan5323and like i said to correct your false statement. Ethiopians were Jews and practiced Judaism at a much earlier time than Christianity. There is evidence of both temples that were built and sacrificial sites found
These universal history discussions have been so meaningful to me. They're giving voice to an intuition I've had for awhile.
You might like the works of Rene Guenon, which you can check out on amazon. Perhaps Symbols of Sacred Science is a good place to start.
@@LA-kc7ev I'll check it out! Thanks!
Ethiopia continues to come into my life in strange ways. First I discovered Ethiopian jazz by chance on TH-cam as I was simultaneously exploring Orthodoxy. And then I later discovered that Ethiopia is Orthodox, and my worlds of music and religion collided. I never knew this part of Africa was so rich in Christian history.
Also talk about the Tewahedo biblical canon!
Link for Ethiopian Jazz? 😍🙏🏼
@@eleni747 th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=Ethiopiques For example, the first that appears is the legendary record by Mulatu Astatke.
Am ethiopian talk to me i will teach u so many thing
music lyrcs created by Jared Jared the son of Enoch Enoch the 7th seeds of Adam!
I am Ethiopian
We have this bible at home I have never seen anything like it ,it has all sorts of drawings of Angels and other things
They dont print it anymore
Its uniquely written in Geez
You would be mezmorized if you so it
I actually took pictures of the whole book
Ethiopia has a strange attraction since the first time I heard a little about their history.
But this series magnifies that a lot!
More episodes please, there are hidden gems!
Jonathan & Richard are real treasure of true Christian all over the world 🌎! Keep up the great work spreading the gospel of Christ to all like early Christians
I'm kind of speechless...
Seeing dots connected in real-time...
Wishing I could quit my career as an accountant tommorow and simultaneously 1) do a Phd in history, 2) do a Phd in ancient (dead) languages, 3) travel to every single place referenced on this channel (and lord of spirts podcast) and make documentaries, 4) somehow participate in every service in the liturgical calendar.... 5) carve icons [Tbh, I've made some progress on this one - re JP carving course]..
So, quite the bucket list I guess :)
READ JUST READ!!! JONATHAN IS AN ARTIST AND YET HERE HE IS!
Lol! Definitely stimulating material.
Just do it. You don’t need the Ph.D.’s though…they’re just costly pieces of paper. With all of the info out there, a competent professional like yourself can learn what you need without the cost of the advanced degrees.
Why the constant PhD reference? PhD is just a piece of paper to show everybody else how much you know. It's just egotistical.
@@TruthbyMean Yes - that
is true. And that is exactly what I will do :)
41:43 funny that in modern slang terms, when something provokes lust it is called “spicy,” and when someone is lustful they are called “thirsty”
I love this!!! The Ethiopian Church is so deeply beautiful and it is hard to find good resources to learn more about them.
you can if you are interested but needed open heart when you triy to know about ethiopia! even difficult for us our father when they do something without eat any thing and drink and pray due that when we read ancient book we can't explain easly there is a secret! but chage the world that secret!
The chemistry between these two makes this conversation so fun!
Very Nice conversation as a member of EOTC I really want to speak on every tiny detail but in general I suggest the official story of the EOTC is very clear and full of evidence for every lineage and history of 4000 years.
Finally! Someone touches on this subject. My patron Saint is Saint Matthew the Apostle. I've read his ministry was in Ethiopia. I feel like this is all a slow discovery for me and there's never enough information.
Well done gentlemen. Looking forward to more episodes.
I actually stumbled upon this channel while trying to learn about the Holy Grail mythology but I also saw this video suggested and decided to watch it since I'm of Ethiopian/Eritrean origin myself. Thanks guys!
This video makes me feel like I’m drinking fine wine from a firehose. Definitely needs a rewatch or three.
It certainly does need many rewatches.
Wow! I suggested to a pastor once that Moses had another wife, just based on the Biblical text. I was told I was wrong; and I just left it there. You're the first I've heard to talk about this! Wow!
My brothers you’re such amazing! What you’re doing now I guess God is waking people up around the world so they know the truth. Hope God help you continue doing this. Much love 🇪🇹🇪🇹🇪🇹
Fascinating!! I never connected India with Ethiopia..but both are (and were) the world suppliers of frankensense, myrrh and there's gold too. The blue Nile originates in Tana, Ethiopia. Egyptian tradition says Holy Family fled + stayed in Zeitoun,Egypt and traveled places along the Blue Nile. Humm. So many treasures in scripture! Wow.
You could easily confuse an Ethiopian for an Indian
India and Ethiopia are linked from very ancient times !
When my mom was in hospital in Oakland almost all her caregivers were Ethiopian Orthodox. They were sweet!
They are treated like they are subhuman in Israel. And I don’t remember what the reason is. But my friend I was staying with told me this. That’s why I clicked on this video. To learn more. Wonder why they hate them.
@@empresslabs1272 How sad.
@@empresslabs1272 it’s not that complicated sir. Fear and distrust of “other”
@@empresslabs1272 Israel is the most racist country in the world. Of course they hate black christians!
@@vesman5 These are Ethiopian Jews...
This is the best series I never knew I needed. Unreal.
Very interesting I'm ethiopian orthodox and I could think of so many historical stories in the church that could add this. Like the virgin Mary being the arc that carried christ and the king lalibela having a vision of building a new Jerusalem in ethiopia and many more. Looking forward to part 2
You should make a video telling us about them! If you do, please post it here I would love to learn more :)
@@joer9156 good idea
My Father, a chemist and Latin language scholar used to tell me about Ge ‘ ez all the time! I love learning about Ethiopian Orthodoxy. A lot of Ethiopian women can be found praying in the Old Holy Virgin church in San Francisco…all in white…🙏🏻☦️🙏🏻
Yes! I’ve seen them there! Beautiful.
u can learn Ge'ez from TH-cam or ticktoke
Interesting. There are lots of old manuscripts written in Ge'ez describing various herbs and how to use them to make medicine that were stolen from the various monasteries and ended up in Europe...
I have seen a few comments here saying that these videos of Jonathan resonate with them or that they fit an intuition of sorts. I am the same. I started to investigate more and more into deep Christianity, the desert fathers, byzantine, early Irish church, etc a little more than ten years ago. I became very interested in Ethiopia upon learning that Bob Marley converted to Ethiopian Orthodoxy towards the end of his life. I even wrote a song about it. These videos have been blessing to me so thank you guys. It makes me feel like there are others out there. If you are curious to hear the song you can just search "Zac and the Grinz" (the band) and "West Bank" (the song).
I am Ethiopian
We have this bible at home I have never seen anything like it ,it has all sorts of drawings of Angels and other things
They dont print it anymore
Its uniquely written in Geez
You would be mezmorized if you so it
I actually took pictures of the whole book
This is next level! The kind of revelation these natural philosophers reveal just brings one to imagine the mysterious that we may one day learn from the Creator himself.
These conversations with Richard are completely wild. Please, a hundred more of these. Learning so so much.
The story of St. Frumentius and the Christianisation of Axum is a great one and looking forward to seeing that explored.
St frumentius was deported along with other axum priests after they participated in the council of nicea.
Somewhat ironically, all of this 're-enchantment' happening is causing me to be interested in history for the first time in my life. And, I'm 35!
i'm67 !!!! better late than never.But lucky you..
It's never too late to learn something new 🤗
Great talk. I was always fascinated by Ethiopia. I would love to hear Jonathan take a deep dive into Armenia. The first Christian State.
This is beautiful to hear, finally, the truth is coming out to the world. GOD is working through you guys. GOD bless.
Yes!! I loved the Arthur one. Please keep this series going
I am absorbing as much as I'm able since I don't know anything about Ethiopia. All I know is that it's been mentioned in some of the readings at Mass. I have to listen to this over and over again. Looking forward to the 2nd episode. Thank you!
Ethiopian lore seems neat. 🧐
Thank you!! It is often so hard to relay to other Christians, especially Roman Catholics, of which I am one, the strength of my conversion from Bob Marley, to Ethiopia, to Christ, the journey is so unrelatable to most other Christians who have no context of Ethiopia, her greatness in the reality and role of her potency as a mystical stronghold of the faith. I trace my encounter with mystery to my encounter with Ethiopia and the incarnated faith of her people. I usually lose them somewhere between the Rasta stuff and the path to lake Tana! Thanks guys
Have just watched these three conversations and they have opened my mind so much more than anything else about the way that symbolism and history work. Thank you!
The Oriental Orthodox were the first to break away, the first schism was caused by them, long before the Catholics. However, the differences between the Orthodox and them remain much smaller than the differences with the Catholics and Protestants. They are almost exclusively related to the heresy of miaphysitism, which, at least in my view, is such a fine theological line that the majority of the faithfull will not even know to explain how in the world this led to a separation. The rest of the doctrine is almost identical, their monastic tradition the same. That is why, as an Eastern Orthodox, I have a feeling of being at home in the Oriental Orrhodox churches (especially the Coptic one of Egypt). I cannot say the same about the Catholics and Protestants, which, in spite of the fact that they broke away much later, and with whom we share a lot of European history, have made so many inovations across the centuries, that very seldomly an Orthodox can recognize any common roots with them.
Both schisms are deep wounds for the Church, and we pray that God will find a way to heal them, but yes, I also feel the Oriental one is bleeding more, as the difference is such a subtle one...And, leaving the difference aside, these Oriental Orthodox Christians live such authentic lives due to their own historical context, many times experiencing modern day martyrdom. All my love and respect goes to them always!
Bzw oriental Orthodox isn't a schism its the original teachings of apostolic father about Jesus christ Which is he is one nature from two nature. This teaching have been known by saint cyril & other apostolic fathers also they have approved it in the 3rd council of Ephesus. Later on pope leo is the one who teachs heretical teaching which is christ is two nature which Catholic & Easter Orthodox accepted it as apostolic teaching.
The Kebra Nagast is something I was fortunate enough to be introduced to while young.
But Lalibela is definitely a dream destination on my bucket list.
Around the 1:12:30 mark this scripture came into my mind. Thank you for the insights. Hebrews 13:11-14 says, The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come.
So do you see the Oriental Orthodox as the margin of the Church? Really hope this series with Richard will go all the way up to the 20th century or today even lol. Not even joking, I’ll watch every single one. God bless guys, this series is great.
@ENDLockdowns DotOrg I am right there with you. This is priceless. These with Richard and Jonathan, Jordan and Mattieu are my favorite videos he’s done so far and I’ve watched them all.
So are non Chalcedon Christians considered part of the holy Catholic Church but high Anglicans aren’t? I’m so tired of internet ecumenism.
Is Jonathan considered a heretic in his church?
I just came across this video-which I enjoyed and wanted to thank you both for the respect you have shown to my Nation and faith. In relation to the connection between the Holy Virgin's connection with Ethiopia, according to the Ethiopian Orthodox Chrisitian teachings, when the holy family went to Egypt to escape king Herod, they travelled to Ethiopia at some point during their exile and the young Jesus is said to have consecrated Ethiopia to his mother. The Holy Virgin remains a cornerstone in Ethiopian Orthodox christianity.
I am fairly new to the channel. I’ve only been listening in since November, but this series is my favorite. It touches on all the questions I’ve had since getting a degree in history and Greek before ever coming to Orthodoxy.
This was amazing you’ve made connections and also opened up channels in my mind where previously hadn’t exist. Thank you!
It's fascinating conversation can't get enough of it. Thank you guys.
Man, I love the metaphor with the egg in the nest, Christ in the manger as well
WOW! This was AMAZING!!!! .... This was an excellent, interesting and insightful discussion on Ethiopia.
Fantastic discussion! Loved the information presented on this subject - look forward to part II.
This is so cool! Please do another one on this beautiful land.
Watching this From Ethiopia 🇪🇹
Pentecost is “the filling up of multiplicity”.
Brilliant!
I can hardly wait to hear about the nine Saints.
Yes I’m so excited. Thanks gentlemen
Wow I thought I was going to watch it for five minutes and ended up watching it more than 3 times
My dearest brothers. God Bless you for shedding light on this historical mystery of my motherland Ethiopia. እግዚአብሔር ይባርካችሁ።
Just starting here, this is beginning really well. I really like people bearing down on something real.
Host is bringing a lot to this conversation.
Beautiful. You pronounced almost everything right but the Ethiopian in me can’t seem to give you pass “ Makeda” hahah.
You guys are incredible and did wonderful 👌🏼
Just for the record: Y E S we are enthusiastic about Ethiopia
Don't forget all so the first human (Adam) was live around River of Gion(አባይ) and Noah (ship) was arrived in to Ethiopia first and thank you for your amazing program of Ethiopia
This is so fascinating!! Sirs, could I please suggest that you guys put up your top reading lists on these topics. Many of us, I believe, would want to follow and go further into these marvellous topics you discuss. Thanks for your superb work!
Les Anciens dieux et l’anciens rêve! J’arrive à faire beaucoup de connexion de ce que je sais déjà à l’aide de la compréhension de mieux en mieux des patterns, et cela grâce à vos merveilleux podcast. C’est vraiment fascinant!
This was extremely interesting,. I remember my mother talking to me about Ethiopia and it's position in relation to the Bible and Christianity but I was no doubt too young to be much interested. She is an avid reader so I will have to ask her what her sources were.
Heyo! Another universal history episode.
Robert Sepehr has made alot of videos about historical beliefs focusing on personal energy. He has a lot of interesting views on "the cup of Hermes". You reminded me of this as you spoke about the well of life, and Sheba, Solomon, and the cup of water...death and potential. I think there is a connecting between what you are talking about and a greater esoteric meaning.
Guys that was GREAT! I've always been extremely intrigued about the Ethiopian religious traditions, ever since I first heard they claimed to hold the Ark. I honestly am REALLY looking forward to the next episode with you guys, I wanna hear about these crazy saints!
@@see2986 Erm, what?
It’s refreshing to hear Africa being discussed by non/blacks as just people with no prejudices attached, it’s a very good taste of what the world could be,
This episode starts out like the Green Book in Lewis' Abolition of Man
Fascinating, can’t wait to hear more
I love this series so much!!!
I remember listening to audiobook of the The Antiquities of the Jews during lockdown and “Josephus” definitely had a chapter on the lands of Ethiopia /Egypt and the battle in the south and how Moses being a prodigy leader/commander of the army and the Ethiopian princess fell in love with him surrendering by way of marriage and alliance. Have to re listen. Josephus definitely decided to link it all up anyway.
My brothers in Christ.... I see the light through you two.
I am an ethiopian orthodox, and thank you
Great conversation! Looking forward to the next episod. God bless
🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼❤️MAHALO!!🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼❤️
Thank you for the great job you’ve done.
The more I learn, the less I know! There is so much mystery in our history!
Catching up on these old ones. This is truly fascinating, thank you both
I’m Eritrean and orthodox! Interesting video!
can't wait for the next one. You two could start a podcast and I'd be all over it
Ethiopia the way you describe it, reminds me of Ireland.
An extremely isolated community on the margins, preserving the writings of the faith, in a world that still feels magical somehow.
with the Cup symbolism in the picture of everything, and you were speaking of the containment of the cup preserving, it made me think about sloshing at the top near the heavens that may spill out. and from there it made me think of the tradition in Judaism during the Seder where the wine is intentionally spilled a number of times for a whole grip of reasons. i don’t know much about this tradition/ritual, but i found this interesting to ponder on.
I love how they cheer everytime after scoring a symbolic slam dunk. I'm right there with them.
We need so much more of this. We let postmodernism tell the African narritive to the west, and it ruptured history
Comment before watching. This is going to be great.
This is so amazing! I don't know if anyone related the pattern to this but I really felt the essence of this.. I related it to the edge by the Protestant movement as being the rejected that preserved the seed of the the Gospel.. and I could also relate it with the fall of Rome by the outsiders wild Goths that became Germany that continued the tradition of Rome. It's quite literally true... The pattern is universally working everywhere.. and Loved to hear the connection between India because I always wondered where is India in the end times. I do believe that in the end the traditions and stories of India and it's myth are deeply rich symbolically but it's mixed and incomplete in some senses...I sense there would be someone who would join these links and bring more to area to the Kingdom of Christ. thank you so much for doing this...
Salam brothers and sisters of Tigray! This land is as Richard and JP say. Where a nation retains its monastic tradition there it retains its soul. And those cats got soul!
I love this series
I adore these conversations
Thank you Jonathan ..... Ethiopian is mysteries country
I was so excited to find this! I am a homeschool mom who has a fascination for Kush and its virtual extinction in history curricula today, but not in our home. I have a question that occurred to me while watching your video: The gospel of Matthew said that Joseph was told to take his family to Egypt, but we do not know where. So I began to wonder if there were any connection to Kush. I know that the intertwining of Kush and Egypt is difficult to unravel - I have found little that might indicate the exact boundaries, political workings, connectedness, etc. at this time. Can you give me any insight or guidance as to specfic sources? Ethiopian legends?
I'm from Ethiopia, You are quite right, though these countries look different in different periods of time there is ongoing relationship until this days. Earlier it believed that the kush(Ethiopia) used to be the Pharoh of Egypt for long time, and Ethiopia is the source of 86% of blue Nile river(Abay-Ghion) which Egypt highly depends on.and so much history, religion and culture in common.
Goshen in Egypt which is Lower Egypt on the Nil towards the road to Israel.
I'm late arriving here, but, great video! I love all the Universal History videos. But I just wanted to say... regarding the Fincha Habera site - 3,469 meters in elevation is totally livable at. La Paz, Bolivia is around 3,600 meters, Lhasa, Tibet is about the same. People definitely live in both places.
I'm so hyped.
I immediately want the next episode. I just cannot wait hahahaha.
Also despite being a white American, I see a lot of the Ethiopian symbol as my personal archetype. Which is weird, but it makes me so curious about it.