Universal History: The Tower of Babel - with Richard Rohlin
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- In this episode of Universal History, Richard Rohlin and I discuss the Tower of Babel in Scripture (Genesis) and the Book of Jubilees, the symbolism of the structure itself, what it means for us today, Pentecost, and the solution to authoritarianism. • Universal History: The...
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Coming up
00:57 - Intro music
01:23 - Important announcement!
04:53 - Genesis and the Tower of Babel
11:06 - A tower and a candle
21:23 - The Book of Jubilees
24:29 - Now nothing will escape them
27:59 - The Fall of the Tower
36:30 - The breath of God
41:16 - The crows
49:03 - Pentecost
52:35 - A Reverse of the curse of Babel
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- Derek Fiedler: The Universal Icon - S.R. Rohlin Reveals the Medieval Model, Lewis, & The Discarded Image - • The Universal Icon - S...
- Universal History: Dragons! - with Richard Rohlin - • Universal History: Dra...
- The Leviathan in Scripture: Ouroboros Symbolism - • The Leviathan in Scrip...
- The Lord of Spirits podcast - www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts...
- Apocrypha: An Introduction to Extra-Biblical Literature, by Stephen DeYoung - www.amazon.com/Apocrypha-Intr...
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HMNW is Khemenu is Shumnu and Hermopolis is Mercury and 100 other names as well.
Kek is Kuk is Sus is Zues is Kush is Chus and Inchus too.
John is Johanan, HoKhanan and Cannan too. HoKhanan is the son of Mary called Salome and he is HeruSalome called Jerusalem too.
Salome is Selene
HoKek is the messiah called JeSus and MeHoKek is the lawgiver called Moses too.
Kekrops is Cecrops and of the ten tribes in Athens there are the E1b1b M78 subclade V13 Hamites called the Kekropis Tribe too.
HM is Ham and Khem is Shem too
The Ogdoad is the Ogdoas and the Oct Deus, "Eight Gods" of Khemenu.
They travel from the watery abyss led by Nu
Called Noah too.
The Khananites are of Elephantine and Khnum
And like the hegoat, MeHoKek has horns too.
You have to understand the symbolism of Libre 70 by Crowley and the Cross of the Frog during the Berkeley Mardi Gras parade too.
And you must understand the symbolism of Jeremiah 48:37 to know there are not tattered loincloths nor cuttings upon the hands for there are only clasped hands of prayer of the Tell Asmar hoard.
Meras is South of Luxor and "From Meras" is HaMeras which is Sameras and the E1b1b1 V22 Kohenim are called Samaritans too.
If the earth is flath the the Tower of Babel has a new meaning, especially if you know about the Shamir worm.
Sad that I can’t attend, looking into the virtual event…
A very common symbol is of a sword being inserted in a anal canal? I know no one will ask where because they already know and they don't want to talk about it.
@JonathanPageau @RichardRoland I have Charlesworth Pseudepigrapha in my amazon cart, but I notice there is no Book of Jasher. Is there a good translation of Jasher you recommend?
I learn something each time I come back.
I have came back at least 6 times.
Epic conversation. Congrats on your well-deserved promotion to the SW Press.
We'll be in touch ;)
Stoked Richard has officially joined the team, love you guys conversations and the universal history series. Richard has an infectious sort of enthusiasm and spirit. God bless.
Several of my dear friends from the church came across Orthodoxy through you. I had been wary of finding a politicized echo chamber as online spheres can often be, but finally decided to look you up and am very pleasantly surprised by insightful videos like this one, thank you
This is really good stuff, and I recognize as Orthodox Christian all of this symbolism in our worship.
God bless you North American people
Watching a bit delayed on the rd (so not live-chatting) - still wanted to say exciting news about Richard joining Symbolic World Press 🎉
Oh, I wish so much that we could make it to the Symbolic World conference! It would not be financially responsible right now - maybe in a few months we'll be in a place to get the recordings, God willing. Regardless, please know that our prayers are with you and with everyone who attends, that it may be a time of enlightenment of minds and hearts, and a joyful coming together for all. God bless!
Abraham's saving of the seed is also related to Constantine's revelation "by this sign conquer". Altar comes before throne, but the throne is necessary to offer up its heart (filled in the spirit) to the altar.
Thanks for this, helps me understand typology better. Congrats on joining the team!
Timely. Just watched Sam Tideman's talk with Vervaeke and I was struck by how the construction of AI, even by John's most optimistic lights, seemed more in the spirit of Babel than Christ.
Hence my fear, that AI will become the new idols, the new truth, and the new wisdom that large swathes of people will worship and become beguiled by.
Thank very much for the Snow White book. It’s simply beautiful. 🌈⭐️✝️
Great conversation.. One thing to note is that Spirit and Wind are synonymous in the Semitic languages (as well as others) which is why our spirit is the Breath of Life.
Rûach
Satan is called the god of the power of the wind. He is the tempest and the wild seas. He is the punisher sent by God.
Love this 🔥 Thank you Jonathan! God bless you and your family 🙏🏼
It actually gets started @ 11:06.
You're welcome.
All the "scattering wind" talk that starts around 31:00, that is also what winnowing refers to (Matt. 3:12); The harvest is gathered from the floor and cast up to the heavens, exposing it to the Wind, which seizes the chaff and scatters it. Since folks around here also like chiasms, this is the parable/parabola/trajectory played out: an ascent to the heavens which incurs a separation, revealing the good fruit on the descent back down.
Maybe this is old hat around here, but it seemed to be worth saying directly.
Best regards,
Grant
Congratulations on the partnership.
All the best for a productive and successful future.
Very happy to have Richard on the team! Would like to see what stories bring :)
A lot of people today would call this conversation babble and while they may not say you're drunk, they'd definitely say you're crazy. They just don't have their ears and minds open to hear the words.
Before putting in any effort to try and understand, they've already decided that what they believe or follow is right, and anything you say that contradicts that or even might contradict that, is wrong. Discourse never begins. Truth never gets a chance to rise to the surface and we drown in our falsehoods, the lies we tell ourselves and others and the confusion that arises from that.
Thanks for this! By the way, Pentecost was observed not "in the upper room", but in The Place - the Temple. Reread the Scripture and enjoy the new meaning of how God's people were visited!
That was an amazing beautiful and important conversation.
Thank you Thank you Thank you!
Love you two together!
One of the best episodes yet. Thank you!
Wow. How has it never occurred to me that the Great Commission is a holy scattering, a corrective flip of Babel. A brilliant insight, gentlemen. Perhaps this is less accessible to us midwestern US protestants, but what an amazing truth I've been missing.
Abram running barefoot between the split halves of a dove fascinated me even as a boy. Thank you for the insight. The creative must be divided to make the whole
This is probably the best
So happy to see Richard join Symbolic World Press. 🎉
Awesome stream.
I received my Snow White and it's absolutely beautiful.
Re: Abraham and the crows...it gives a whole new depth to why it is mentioned in Genesis about Abraham sacrifice and his shooing the birds that wanted to eat it... I always thought that was a curious detail...
Hey that actually makes a lot of sense. I also thought of connections with the parable of the sower, but your insight is intriguing.
"Awkward Christmases" 😂😂
Bro, they didn't even know what Christmas was 🤣🤣🤣
BTW, this whole conversation was absolutely fascinating!
"the victors not only write the history, they also reproduce the texts."
Glory to God 🙏☦️💙
Making a comment to save my spot @15:15 and come to the "focus". My youtube algorithm finally connected me with you all bravo. I'm excited on so many levels and front to subscribe and be a part of your community. I'll be back to finish this video later. Thanks for producing this video!
Jewish people and proselytes were "gathered" from all over the known world in Jerusalem for the feast of Shavuot, a feast of ingathering. The wind of the Ruach came and then scattered them back out to the four corners of the world to spread the Message that they had received from the apostles.
This came at a very synchronous time. I've been processing a lot of thoughts about plato, through the lens of the contrast of Karl Popper and Julius Evola.
Basically, two people in the 20th century who had very antithetical takes on what the structure of authority was and should be. I'm really looking forward to this talk, thank you for all that you do.
Can’t wait to be able to get all the books when the publishing house is fully operational.
So awesome! I find it so interesting that the universal language at the center of the tower has been rediscovered by chatGPT. The Ai models have figured out that everything is language.
When God in his infinite intelligence and mercy, thought fitting, he decided to bring the scattered humankind back to him, so he founded the catholic church which on its birth the 12 Apostles and disciples spoke all the known languages in the ancient world!
The church was born Catholic by birth, purpose, and mission, which she carries out to this day since 33DC!!!
This was a cool teaser
How can you not love these two? I need a gif of Richard's Holy Trickster faces @1:03:25
When are you guys going to do a reprint of all these awesome books?
I got 6 mins in and they were still having a business/marketing meeting
I'm in Albania now visiting family. While no one I spoke to claimed Albanian was the Adamic language, I did get to visit a beautiful Orthodox monastery in Gjirokaster.
Allow me to add an interesting Hungarian angle to this awesome discussion.
Many of us believe that:
- Nimrod is our ancestor (still today many people name their sons Nimrod)
- Our language is the original language (similarly to the Albanians)
- It has divine knowledge in it (and actually it does have a type of a symbolic system that confers deeper wisdom - this is confirmed by foreigners who obtained the language)
- We are “the nation of the seed”, and even our own name (magyar) is related to this concept
Richard's humor is crafty
Wow just published my book on nephilim, nimrod, the Tower of Babel and a historical analysis. This is a great symbolic companion.
What's the name of your book?
What’s the title please
@@yuiopoli9601 Ehhh wasn't trying to shill it but it's called Table of Nation's Nimrod. I'm publishing the content on my Table of Nations Substack for free though over the coming months, so feel free to subscribe there instead, or just read that to see if you like the content.
@denisematteau How can you tell?
@@bark1actual785 Replied in another comment but it's called "Table of Nations: Nimrod", part of a broader series on the subject
Enjoying the video, but it is deeply frustrating to be told, "You gotta come to the conference," when even the virtual ticket is over $100.
Will the talks at the conference eventually be put online for us who can't afford it?
And of course most people have to fly there, get a hotel, rent a car... I’m not naive about expenses, but does make you wonder what the whole point really is. It’s not a business conference.
@matthewkilbride1669 It's the fact that the virtual option is $150 bucks that gets me. I would happily pay $50 to see it all streamed, but I can't grasp how they did the math to price the virtual tickets. But who knows who actually determines the prices for these things. I have never ran a conference, so I imagine there are aspects I don't grasp.
Maybe the higher price allows some interaction? I would pay less for later access for viewing only.
What are foundational lectures that provide a basic understanding of symbolism that I can watch in preparation to learning more advanced concepts/ideas?
The Philokalia is the best book to have symbolism explained. To have alot of things explained in ways you never imagined
RR historiographer in the house!
Wow. I don’t even know how to think about this. But thinking of Jesus’ parable of the wheat being sown among the weeds. And the angels will be sent to pluck out the bad ones.
Nothing will be beyond them = Nothing will be CUT “OFF” from them, in Hebrew.
"The wind" also represents Hesiod's idea of Ouranos.
Spirit / drunkenness referred to: also, Ephesians 5:19 : “be not drunk with wine but [drunk on] the Spirit,” though contra our charismatic friends who take this in a materialistic manner (i.e. Toronto Blessing). Also, psalm 22/23, “Your cup inebriates me as though most potent.”
Gods Dog Volume 1, when is it going to be available again?
In Guatemala where I live, we often call a light bulb a "foco",
I don`t get why is it called zigurat if it was spiral? It might be helpful for viewers like myself to have this distinction clarified in future discussions.
Plus,I found the video challenging to follow so to improve coherence, maybe a focus could be on organizing the key points in a logical sequence (more or less) and providing context for each point mentioned. While I appreciate the inclusion of links for further exploration, I often find myself short on time to check everything out and fully grasp the context. I value the opportunity to learn from your content, and I believe providing context within the video itself would greatly enhance the learning experience for viewers. Of course, these are just suggestions, and I understand if you prefer to keep your videos as they are.
I think they were saying that symbolically the spiral and zigurat are the same, not that the tower was both :)
Will Rohlin's talk be released after the conference anywhere? Can I purchase access to his talk individually without buying a virtual ticket? I ask cause I am learning all these things at a slow pace, (I'm not Orthodox) I am digesting one thing at a time. Not ready to consume everything at once. I want to explore more deeply what is being discussed here.
The Cross really is everywhere
Day 2 on the virtual page says day 3 schedule needs fixing ?
Prometheus steals the holy fire from Olympus... But then it is used to offer sacrifice, that pleases the Gods. Interesting the connections in the mass and Pentecost. We offer up to God using the eternal fire that comes down and this raises our thoughts to heaven... Just brainstorming here its late in Aus....
Lots of mind blowing stuff here and I'm not even drunk.
Where can I read more thoroughly the ideas Richard is discussing at 17:16 surrounding the transformation of Chronos into Kairos and space into place in the liturgy?
Mr. Pageau, have you ever read Godel, Escher, Bach An Eternal Golden Braid? It explores everything that you talk about from the perspective of a mathematician. I would like more than anything to hear your thoughts on it.
I just ordered this book.
@@KizaWittaker it almost broke me. It's the hardest book I've ever read by a huge margin.
@@kevinc.8885 Hard as in hard to read?
Or philosophically hard?
Can confirm. The book is absolutely bonkers
If you buy a ticket for the summit, can you watch the livestream afterwards ?
I bought one and yes, you get to watch during and after the conference.
Did you KNOW the first seed drill we have knowledge of was invented in Mesopotamia in 2000 BC? Totally Abraham facing the crows.
Berg (mountain) in Afrikaans also means to contain as a verb.
@18:30 a 3 minute add break with such overly dramatic music the whole time is a bit much
Dear Jonathan Pageau,
How could I contact you with regards to your trip to Lithuania? You have fans here. I am one. It is quite exciting that you MIGHT come to Lithuania.
Does this book of Jubilees say anything about Melchisedec?
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And for those of us that couldn’t come to the conference bc we’re working 5 states away?
Shame Dr Heiser never did the rounds with this Little Corner. Mike was pressing this stuff out decades ago.
It may be fitting to say that religions, when they lose their way, are also 'towers'. They are certainly different languages and humanity is confused because they think only their language is the real one. Then, if the language is confused for the spiritual reality they become idols.
Where can I buy a copy of “Snow White…”?
Do you think the raven story and the parable of the 4 soils is connected.
15:49 Dr Seuss says, “think of light, think of bright, think of stairs in the night.”
Air is related to the intellect which is used to dissect things and understand them. Could it be an interpretation that the move from the spiritual into the intellectual was what caused "the fall"? Similarly to Adam's fall, caused by knowing?
Interesting point!
15:40 icon feng shui
I am all for reading apocrypha but also be careful not to put them on the same level as canon. It can get confusing.
Does anyone else skip the preview because you don't want spoilers? 😂
34 minutes - the linguistic fall - the loss of the true knowledge/love of God through the loss of the Hebrew Language…this is what I want to see expanded upon through modern ideological capture in the West.
I got to be the thumbs up that took the total from 999 to 1K, so that was fun 🎉
IN CHRIST JESUS OF BETHLEHEM AMEN
would be cool if you hooked up with someone like Eric July since he's his own publisher and distro for comics and all.
That Albanian thing, Armenians also have this. They insist, for example, that the Georgian language was created by an Armenian or Christ was Armenian, etc.
Richard, (in your new role) I sent a message from the online conference site on Friday re: having challenges to pay online. (Won't take my card that I use everywhere online, no matter what I do.)
Will you be checking on the Contact Us messages soon? I have a message there. I know you're very busy, but I'd like to participate in the online version, if possible.
Thanks for any help you can provide.
I also had trouble with one card, but tried a different one and it took it. Try a different card, it's worth a try anyway.
Wooow
Not sure yet, let’s see what the people on MTV say about this
21:45 Lucky Ethiopians! 😊
These are excellent but Richard talks way too much Jonathan can’t even complete a sentence without him needing to hear his own voice
Scattering the tongues = threshing floor
The Tower of Babel was a failed incarnation, like Samson? A tabernacle with a blemish, rejected by God, like Cain's sacrifice? The wind did come, but the tower couldn't host it?
Babel seems so close to barbello
Is Symbolic World press hiring accountants in north Texas??? new dream job just dropped
The 7 feasts started with "Abraham"... or you could say they started with Jesus.
He is the unleavened (sinless) bread
He is the Passover
He is our Atonement
He is the tabernacle not made with hands
He manifested in the Spirit through the Pentecost after the feast of weeks (7 weeks * 7 days then leads to - Jubilee or forgiveness).
He will manifest through the feast of trumpets in the rapture.
He is the first fruits among brethren.
Now... this is fun... let's go back to Abraham. Do you remember what two items the King of Salem, without beginning or end of days, brought him?
The rapture is a heresy created less than 200 years ago.
The drunkenness that accompanies these events represents the unknowability of a pure heart, an example of irrationality that serves God's purpose, it is the fruit of the resurrection. It is the surprise of man's limitations being covered in God, inapprehensible authenticity beyond human reason. It is Christ Himself being both knowable and unknowable, something of such complete transcendence that if you try to grasp it you will only attempt to destroy, but which can be received in humility.
This was no where near long enough