i bought a KING-SONG S18...but WHY???
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I do love hearing this. Over the decades, some brands are fortunate to have a defining product, like the Ford Mustang, or Swiss Army knife. I believe the S18 will be that for Kingsong, and will forever be the measure of anything they release in the future. Honestly, aside from battery technology, I can’t think of how it could be improved upon, at least from a design perspective. For me, it’s perfect! It’s an engineering masterpiece.
Just looking at the design language, the S18 is so attractive in getting way from the black glossy LED laden saucer design, which screams "children's toy" to me. The exposed frame trellis and suspension is something that draws the eye on performance motorcycles, and the S18 has a lot of that appeal. I like the fact that it dispenses with the ambiance LEDs and speakers which frankly to me mostly mean more disassembly/reassembly when doing tire maintenance.
The only other EUC that has caught my eye in a similar way is the Veteran Sherman with its utilitarian, "military machinery" look. Perhaps Veteran could sell even more if they offered some in an olive drab finish. Adam may have been looking only at function, but he now has the two best looking EUCs in his small stable.
I recommend getting a 45° valve extender for the top chamber of the suspension so that you can fill it up without using the block/sitting on it etc.
Should we put a counter how long it will take to break it? 😂
Won't🤣🤣 he's used to it
Cuz he brakes stuff fast... Or cuz the wheel has issues? Is this wheel what y'all would recommend? Or would y'all RECOMEND SOMETHING ELSE? Do y'all think the Gotway Tesla is a good wheel for $1,500 new? What is the best wheel for $1,500 or less? What is the best for around $1,000? ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED AS I DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH 9 WHEELS BEFORE FINDING A GOOD WHEEL THAT IS RELIABLE AS WE DID WITH E-BOARDS!!! SO ANY INPUT IS MUCH WELCOMED!!!!! AND TY TO THOSE THAT TAKE THE TIME TO REPLY... AND YOU CAN CHECK OUT OUR CHANNEL TO SEE WHAT WE GET AND HOW IT HOLDS UP OR TO SEE HOW THE VERY BEST BUDGET BOARD THAT DOES OVER 30MPH AND COST LESS THAN $400... IS HOLDING UP AFTER 3 YEARS OR WHATEVER ELSE WE ARE GETTING IN TO AS WE ARE ALWAYS DON'T BG SOMETHING DIFFERENT LIKE TESTING OUT NEW ELECTRIC SKATEBOARDS DS AND DIRT BIKES AS WELL AS EXPLORE OLD ABANDONED BUILDINGS AND MUCH MUCH MORE.... FOR ANYONE INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING US AND OUR CHANNEL "BUFFALO ESKATE" HERE IN BUFFALO NY!
@@BuffaloEskate it very much depends on what will be the purpose for the EUC primarily. Mostly city? Off-road? You plan on taking full-day journeys? Next things are your local area topography and weather conditions over the year? Do you have snowy winters? Do you plan also riding during these? I belive there can be many more questions like this you need to consider before deciding.
@@BuffaloEskate he had preprod model and did not break it. I bet it's gonna be fine. The squishiest wheels out there at the moments are the gotways... Aside from the battery size/motor power ratio, everything is fin with the s18, it's solid as a rock, and the suspension now has better linkage. All they have to do is give it more battery. Wheelwhirr said it all you 'edd to know what you' ré gonna do with the wheel, I love s18 but a need to commute 50km a day so I won't buy it now though I desperately want to. I want to buy the M-P but it is so many bad points right now, and I don't like the Sherman, love the Nikola but it's too small to buy it without suspension. Find out what you want to make of it, do you need or want suspension (this is the future but it's new), or maybe wait a little bit for the 2021 wheels. Might not be too long
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Any idea how to distinguish the first batch/newest batches?
I'd like to know this too
the place selling them will have them listed as V2 of the KS s18. There were no black bodies in the first either.
Congratulations! And the tire is not that bad as you scared me on my unboxing video. I have 26 psi the soft tire also helps in smoothing out the ride even more and more rubber grip with less road cracks following
One more amazing video bro. Like i normally say our priorities can completely change our opinion. Im selling my s18 when I have few new wheels in stock. After trying the ex and v11 i dont have place for the s18 on my heart but im not a trick guy i just like to ride fast and that makes me dont like the s18 but for you makes all the sense. Big hig bro
Hey Adam, would the S18 be a good beginner EUC rider wheel? (I ride MTB and e-scooters though) like the inmotion V11?
And as someone who rides in stupid cold weather (compared to where I live), how much impact does the cold have on the battery? like, EUC is inside nice and warm and then heads out and is kept warm at the destination, does the batt temp fall?? (I am yet to do my first winter with my e-scooter as I bought mine in late spring last year)
Definitely has the range for what I want (commuting) and the suspension would be delicious and invaluable considering the """"amazing quality"""" of some of the footpaths in Canberra and I tend to go bush to yield for pedestrians
Pretty much I am split between an InMotion V11 and the KingSong S18
- Both are available from my nearest EUC dealer and my alt-option up the north coast
- Both have the range to make a full commute comfortably (though the S18 has much less range then the V11), though both of them are small enough multi-modal commute is OK (compared to a ninebot max!).
- S18 is a fair bit lighter (important for me as I live in an appartment with only stairs 🤮)
- Both have air suspension and big ass wheels (important for our tree root dickered footpaths/cycleways here in Canberra)
- Need to do more research as to which of them is more weather resistant as I do intend to commute; rain, hail or shine, both in summer (40C+) and winter (between -5C and 15C)
- Both are supported by darkbot iirc
- Both are 18x3 wheels
- V11 is faster, however in Canberra we're limited to 25 km/h atm so top speed is kinda irrelivant, both clean the speed limit by a mile so both aren't likely to be "slow" to 25km/h
- Both have same power motors 2.2kw
- V11 has slightly more battery 1.5 kwh vs 1.1 kwh
- Both have 2.5A charger
- S18 has slightly steeper climb angle, but both are pretty baller
- Price wise (excl the sale thats on for the S18 up north) they're roughly same price
- V11 suspension is simplier (less moving parts) though if the S18 design is sound then extra moving parts is prob O.K.
- S18 is slightly less Kuji pad friendly though I prob could find a way
- Both I can't fly with (heavier than carry on weight limit (15kg), has wheel + battery so must be hoverboard 🤦♂️ and battery blows the ass way out of the limit our aviation authority has set for passenger flights (160WH vs 1000WH+ 🤣))
- Both of them are equally visually appealing to me in different ways 🤣 (normally that's the easy tie breaker, which one is moar pretty)
Adam have a question, how does it compare to the V11? I am considering buying a new wheel to replace my singsong 18l but I do not know if I should-
Hi Adam
Thanks for your videos. I find them very informative and uselful. I've recently bought a Kingsong s18 as I wanted a suspended wheel (mainly for safety reasons). Could you please give me your opinion on the best power pads to get for it (mainly for assistance in throttle and break and for controlling it). I mainly use it in an urban context and am not really interested in jumping and hard core riding.
Thank you
Michael
Domyślam się jaką różnicę odczuwasz posiadając amortyzator w kole, bo jakiś czas temu zamontowałem zawieszenie monorim do m365. Duża cześć tego nagrania to moja codzienna trasa dojazdu do pracy, ale jako ciepła klucha czekam aż temperatura rano będzie tak około 10 stopni :D
Can you let us know your air pressures and clicks on your rebound settings? You mentioned 270 psi but im curious what the upper and lower pressure is? and your rebound adjustment? Thank you!
Great stuff, I do like the new tyre they are using on the newer versions of the wheel and yes from what I have heard the newer ones suspension does run much more smoother. Looking forward to some more ride videos.
Congratulations on your new vehicle. Have fun and safe driving. May power be with us 💪grettings from Vienna
Thank you for this review! I wasn't very pleased with the first batch of these suspension wheels, but with the second batch, I think its finally the wheel for me. I don't like to ride fast, but I wanted a light and compact wheel with suspension (cause after Zero 10x with its amazing suspension it was hard to adapt to ks14ds) and that wheel is definitely what I was looking for.
Dude can you please tell if its safe to use fast charger that they sell on amazon for this wheel? Its battery is tiny so some days i really need a fast charger .
I would love to compare side by side your Batch 2 and my Batch 1 model. Mine arrived without any problems with its construction, and while I didn't lubricate it before my first ride, which resulted in some squeaking, all I've done is remove the washers from the sides of one of the linkages. I'd love to get into smoothening the rest out as much as possible, but honestly, as it is now, it doesn't seem sticky at all. It raises up to the top of its range when I step off without issue, and the suspension travels smoothly. I do want to look for some kind of lubricant though, as there is def some need for it on the pistons on the sides. I love that wheel, and can't wait till I can go back out and ride it once the weather permits it.
Crossing the tracks, looked smooth, along the water it was very quiet, could hear you breath bro!
Can't have everything, there for I think this is a kind of a good compromise of both.
Good video Man!👍
Thanks for you inputs & views. I feel similarly about my KS-S18
What technique do you use to set your shock pressure to 270PSi? Also what do you set the negative chamber at & why sort of riding weight are you?
You are welcome! I just used the stock pump, I have around 70 in the negative. I weigh 80 kg with riding gear and 40 psi in the tire. The setup is strictly trick and jump focuse in order not to bend the rim and not bottom out suspension
What a great looking wheel! Can't wait to see more videos about it :)
i just buy one and have a question to ask, i wondering how long it take to have a fully charge the battery ? Thank you
Ks18 is my off-road wheel. And the msx100 is my first wheel still have it. And the sherman is my daily rider.
Hi Adam, so glad you gave it a second chance. The S18 is all you and your jacket matches it too. Despite your funny initial review of it, I bought a new batch in December and liked it so much I sold my beloved 16x. It is such a great wheel, handles sidewalks, road hazards, and trails excellent as I'm sure you're finding out right now. Have fun!
The Kingsong S18 is a great wheel but so is the Inmotion V11....have riden both and it's hard too choose between these two. Try the Kingsong on the beach if you can...you will love it 👌🏼😁🙏🏻.
Would you ow ride the s18 at 40kmhish for long range without being anxious?
Will you be reviewing the monster pro latest Version, I need to know if it's worth a buy for a 50km daily commuter with max comfort. Wish I could do it with s18 but I weight to much and cruising around 40/45kmh would be dangerous for me I think 😕
Its not a long RANGE wheel :) i guess you can just dont overlean it. I think it cant go that fast below 20%
I'm pretty set on one of these being.my nest wheel. I love the idea that they have suspension obviously but to hear how well they handle as will is a big part of why I want one
Thanks For This Great Video!!! Even better music! Perfect to listen to, when i cruise on my KS16X!! (may purchase the S18 for my second wheel!)
Does kingsong s18 have a seat option? Looks like a very nice ride. I am worried I would damage suspension quickly though. 6'3" weigh 260lbs...
That seems a little on the heavy side for the stress I would put on that wheel. You're thoughts?
Hey :) I think it doesn’t have a seat option. Yeah with your weight it will be quite easy to cut-off/overpower and your range wouldn’t be great :/
Great to see you like the wheel!
So glad you have the S18! This is the wheel that I want to see more of on TH-cam because it can do so much. I’m gonna turn on notifications for your channel now (already subbed) so I can see all the great stuff you will do on the S18. I think it even makes the “just riding around” bit more interesting because you take more creative lines in the city. Also want to see more of it because I’m pretty sure this will be my next wheel.
Thank you for sharing with us! Best highlight of my day, a Wrong way video!
Enjoy your new ride Adam ,suspension looks smooth 👍
The spec sheet for the S18 said the the battery is expandable. I have not found any information on a external battery pack ad on.
Wish it had more battery
I was thinking the same thing of you. I currently have a V11 as my primary wheel but I want something primarily as a trick wheel, so I've been eyeing the S18.
I’m 72kg: your opinion on best pressure for tire and for upper/lower chamber? | .:m:.
Nice congratulations looks good and the jacket looks OP is it for Winter can't wait for the review
Your S18 Videos are insane, really glad you got one!!!
S18 and Sherman, covers all the bases. I'm saving for the Sherman, love my s18, just need to get it working again X).
I am deciding among s18, v11, and Sherman... it's such a tough choice
@@nonammmmme yep that’s certainly a tough one :p. I suppose it depends what you’re needing it for. I suppose in terms of expected lifespan it goes Sherman>s18>v11 because of the component choices. v11 probs best all rounder. Maybe get a cheap 2nd hand Tesla and wait until something screams buy me later.
I'd love to hear your views on the newest S18 V3 with Molicell, they are still >£2k but are very tempting for short-medium range stuff. It's only 25kg which with every other suspension wheel being >40kg now is crazy. I'd personally prefer less weight with less battery.
Did u buy?
@@vim55k Nope, the market is too active atm, need to wait and see what's about to come out as there does seem to be more thought going towards weight now
Will you buy the NyloNove pedals for it? I can't decide! I'm in USA and it's $288 after shipping, but perhaps it's worth it. Thank you for the video, you make quality sir.
All for the best! 👍🔋💪🤪
I love the s18 so much I've bought 3! It's the perfect balance between autonomy and maneuverability ..
" From a guy that had 3 Z10"
When I love a wheel I want more!
I love this wheel too
Now you only need a battery upgrade ;-) Throw 10cells each side as brakepads and have enother 370wh....
And congrats btw....good choice! The S18 is also my wheel of choice at the moment. Its justbthe smoothest ride ever....
What do you think of the tire?
I'm running down that first painful 10m on my new S18 at 12mph right now! I have an MSX, RS, and now the S18. RS torque is a beast at the skatepark, MSX has always been my BMX track bomber. The S18 may become my dirt track wheel but the stock tire is meh.
LOLs welcome to the monowheel MTB club! Yes it does not have range & yes it has issues & yes not the best value & yes its also not the best allrounder on the planet but man, everytime I ride it on less than stellar terrain, I feel like superdude! I use it for winter (its awesome for not spraying my asswhite despite losing the mudguard) & I use for MTB trails. In that capacity, its the bomb! Don't know bout others but my legs/knees give out wayyy before the battery does on trails where topspeed isn't a big deal either.
Congrats!
Wrong Way love the vid! Thank you. Can you please comment on the rider modes? How do intermediate and expert differ? Thank you and keep up the terrific vids! (50 years riding unicycle before converting to EUC this year)
Thanks Beck Y! I just use the expert one :) maybe I’ll try in the future for a 500km review or so. I need to get a better analog unicycle now to train that as well ;)
Hi! Where did you shoot this video?
What backpack did you use in this video??? Looks cool. Keep up the good work
Boblbee Megalopolis (not produced anymore) now it’s called GT or GTX
👊 Congrat's
Thanks Marty!
@@mr_wrongway I bought mine 3-weeks ago but still haven't ridden it (I did take it out of the box). I've been riding the Monster Pro exclusively :-)
I can tell the suspension is working because your voice doesn’t sound like a drummer is beating on your back with bass drum beaters! 🥁
So I bought a S18 from ewheels. It has a 5% chance that it's at the bottom of the ocean after the ship had a engine failure. The container ship lost around 200 containers. Fingers crossed.
The MOST important aspect of you having the S18 is us finally having a chance to try it out XD. Whatcha doin now Adaś?
25 Kilograms?
Wow! It is heavy!
After a ton of research and consideration I had decided this is the one I am getting and I made that decision a month ago so I'm. Glad you liked it now too, 😊
i got it last october riding it trough the canadian winter and i like it , i like the suspension
I love it i got it last year i got 2 of them
2:21 -- Child is missing ?!?
dude thats what I said! hahah and they are all smoking weird
What’s the battery life?
Część. Jest jakiś serwis w Polsce ?:D muszę naprawić kółko, bo coś bije :D pozdrawiam.
I have heard the s18 will get the kickstand from factory as standard.
I say this with all due respect. But I feel for that S18! No one on YT tortures their PEVs more than Adam. 😂😂😂
My 16x is my baby! I have the Sherman too but it's too damn heavy, at 32psi I feel that the wheel is too easy to lean left or right, might be knobby tires..
I usually ride at 22-25 psi. Helps a lot
one day the s18 will be great complet wheel and will be a hit.the suspension is the best so thats a very good start in my opinion.but they still need to work on it.
Блиииин, так круто что у тебя нет снега! Можно гонять сколько влезет. Видос как всегда огонь!
В Сочи тоже хорошо гонять
@@vetervideo не сомневаюсь)) но я все же подожду еще месяца полтора у себя в Перми, пока растает снег)
Wrong Way, I ventured from my hardwood floors in the house to my basketball court with 2x2 foot bricks to a bike path at the park with various cracks to contend with and puddles with my 6.5 inch wheel hoverboard- I still am dreaming about getting the one wheel because I want to learn to go up and down stairs! I really do not want to hurt myself - how hard is it on your knees? You must be in pretty good shape all around to ride as much as you do- do you know any 50+ people who ride the EUC's?
I'm 50+... actually in my 60's. It's not hard on my knees. Started riding a little over a year ago. My limit is about 30 miles per ride then my legs feel like wet noodles but no pain. I can only get about 30 miles out of the batteries on my MSX/84 or my RS/HS Have about 20% left on battery after 30 miles. For me that's about 1.5 hours of actual riding. I ride very hard and aggressively, my weak link is my lower back. So on 2 wheels I can get about 60 miles and I am usually still feeling good. Tired but no pain. Don't let age hold you back.
I’m 66, been riding a little over a year. My progression was a lot like yours (spouse was very happy when I graduated from riding around the dining room table 😄). Started on a Ninebot One E+. First ‘real’ wheel was a Nikola+ 100V. Recently took bought pre-owned S18 and Veteran Sherman wheels. Love the S18. So nimble, and the suspension definitely helps reduce joint impact and leg fatigue, which is great for old big folks like me. 😊
I hope you get the latest batch of v11 and reinstate its good name some day :)
V11 is worse in your opinion now?
The bottom of my left foot hurts when riding. If anyone have/had the same problem can tell if getting a better/more confortable shoe helps or if it is something like it will be better with more time riding?
are you new to EUC? Its common for beginners
@@nonammmmme Yes. Riding once a week but the pain is increasing. I think that if I just change to a more confortable shoe it will be better. Just want to know if this is normal.
@@brancofreitas13 That could be it. it gets much better over time. It hurts my feet in the first 5 minutes at first. Right now I won't feel anything until 15-20 mins in. You might feel more if you are climbing a hill. You put more weight on your feet when you are riding it at first. Then you learn to use your body. I ride at least once a day tho
@@nonammmmme Mine starts to hurt after 20 to 30 min ride with no hills to climb. I don't know if wheel size got something to do with this since I just ride with a 14' but most people say that bigger wheels give more confort on the ride so I'll try to save some money to get a 16'.
Which wheel do you have??
S18 is sexy indeed,no doubt.A perfect 2nd wheel. Adam, where did you order the Nylonova pedals for your Sherman? I,m going crazy searching for them and can't find a link to get them...!!!
Yes indeed it is :) hulaj.market is the internet site where they are ;)
@@mr_wrongway Thanks,man...!❤️ I really need those. 👍
Thank you! Believe this will be my 1st wheel!
2:20 Where is the kid ? trolley is empty :D
Looks like random Gopnik's are going to steal someone's kid and later will sell it on the black market. For his organs of course.
@@DizzyPanda gotta make $$ somehow!
Glad you rehabilitated it from that loughing stock - that metal bar really is not really important, as funny as it is :)
And by your own example, S18 seems to have some serious advantages over V11, especially if you treat EUC as a longer-term personal investment.
The hollow motor of V11 for now looks more like a vulnerability, and generally S18 seems to be much more repairable. It is not that painful to change a tire or even a suspension. So even if build quality is inferior, breaking something is not such a big deal. I think Begode went that route, and it looks reasonable to me. Not to mention a beautiful environmental idea of repairability, which France has already started to implement: grist.org/climate/why-frances-new-repairability-index-is-a-big-deal/
Was that 3 guys and a stroller? 🤔
What's the price of msx?
1100€ is asking price
I’ve said and I say it again, all the EUCs are crap for many reasons (engineers will understand) but the S18 is one step towards not to be a crap. Overall, good choice, I’ll bet it’s gonna have lot more traction also. (Can’t beat physics)
i got a S18 and a V10f i am please with both wheel
All EUC are crap? You must not be an EUC rider.
I done 14000Km with my V10F and S18
Hey man, there is a mistake in title (KING-SOMG) ;-) but thanks for the video
Thanks! I will fix that
Got the S18 before it was cool 😎
I have the first batch of S18
Lookin silly but safe
Bro so at 2:16 is that three dudes pushing a baby stroller with no baby?
How much will u sell msx?🧐
1100€ is asking price
@@mr_wrongway this isn't the one that u broke 😅😅
Just face the facts that this has become another EUC channel
MSX 100v is a beast.
I am afraid that jumps nad tricks will destroy this wheel. But hopefully not :D
Adam how dare you give us a new opinion based on new information lol. Do you think batch 2 KS S18 changes your opinion on whether to get inmotion v11 or KS S18? Or same opinion?
Wroooooooooooooooooooooooooongwheel
Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee11 is beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetter.
just my 2c mate. Love your videos.
first batch was crap w'll see about that.
Didn't say to much
1st
Dam 3rd
Do not buy gotway.It is not a good and save wheel.
makes you look like a hypocrite for dissing KS18. Your credibility just took a nosedive.
I think it’d be worse if I started to like it and keep saying I don’t. There were just a couple things I didn’t appreciate enough. If you look at the first review I still mention good things but they battery/motor problem is in the foreground. People will still face plant or cutoff on it when not careful so these didn’t change either